the Carrie and Charlotte Problem: sex and the city

[@XJYNCT]

I truly believe that if Big had met Charlotte before Carrie, she would have tried to steal him away from Charlotte. I truly believe that Carrie was well aware that Charlotte was Big's exact type and so was intimidated by her. In the movie, when Charlotte went into labour, Big was so gentle with her.

[@addywithay1803]

Bold to assume Char would even touch big. She would not put up with an ounce of his shit. He would be another one and done episode if he was Char's love interest

[@mayurip1548]

Omg xiaojun in ur profile pic 🩷

[@joylindadichamounix]

How do you think Big would have dealt with Charlotte saying "Set the date, set the date, set the date!"? Have we all forgotten how Natasha said "John married me but always loved you."?

[@SerenaSkybourne]

@@addywithay1803I'm hoping Charlotte wouldn't give him a second glance 🙏 That man gets too much attention

[@addywithay1803]

@@joylindadichamounix Big would have dumped her for that or becomes veryyyyyy distant

[@madimiss]

Personally, I think Carrie should have sold her shoes to keep her own apartment. This would have been a great character arc to show growth and maturity IMO

[@hm2624]

Absolutely!! I was blown away when she didn't sell them.... they literally set up the plot for it! Why have the scene where they discuss the actual value of her shoes if she wasn't going to sell them?

[@kassykreutzer6972]

Totally agree

[@Catsclaw-ru6zw]

And her handbags.

[@ariellagoichman3513]

I always felt that Carrie was jealous of Charlotte because Charlotte is the sort of woman Big would actually go for: Brunette, old money, elegent and old fashioned. She is another variation of Natasha. Carrie always strove to get to the socio-economic class that Charlotte was born into.

[@herefishyfishy13]

I totally agree. And I think that's compounded by the fact that Charlotte, for a time, gets the life that Carrie thinks she deserves. Both big and Trey are wealthy professional men with some amount of social status, on the surface, they're pretty similar. Charlotte and Trey even meet in a whirlwind on the street just like she and Big did. But instead Charlotte and Trey get engaged and married. Charlotte gets the emotional and romantic commitment as well as the financial stability that Carrie so desperately craves, and from a man so very like Big.

[@6HauntedDays]

Buuuut he was obsessed with Carrie and married her. So that doesn't quit stick now does it? So he was with her against his will?

[@Alexandra_Indina]

​@@6HauntedDaysplease, the dynamic in the movies has nothing to do with the tv series. And even in the series they ruined all the characters developement when SJP became a co-producer, it was so relatable and became absolutely unrealistic at the end.

[@crazy4orlando2]

Miranda and Carrie we the closest of the group. Why is that? Carrie is not threatened by Miranda. Miranda is seen by Carrie as less attractive and more masculine. Carrie is able to see her as a friend and not competition, allowing her to be more vulnerable around her. Any man that would be attracted to Carrie probably wouldn't be as attracted to Miranda. As for Samantha, she's there to make Carrie feel better about her choices. Carrie may be a "slut" but "not as bad as Samantha." She may have questionalble morals but Samantha is much more morally flexible. Samantha is there asca foil in Carries mind. Carrie is good as long as she's better than Samantha. Charlotte is there so Carrie can mock the parts of her she's insecure about. For someone that writes a "sex column" she's pretty uptight and conventional when it comes to her sex life. Charlotte would do a 3some, Charlotte considered up the butt, Charlotte had a one nightstand but Carrie still puts her in a "prude" box. Charlotte is a romantic but the way she does it is "unrealistic." Charlotte is feminine but to Carrie its the kind she can be little. Charlotte is traditional and carrie doesn't want to be that. So Charlotte is the foil in the other direction to Samantha. Carrie wants to be somewhere in between. She uses them to feel better about herself and her choices.

[@promisejackianja8458]

A clear read

[@missxxoo]

Carrie was closest to Samantha, actually. This was stated throughout the series. Regardless, Carrie has a "use" for each one of them.

[@crazy4orlando2]

@missxxoo I don't recall that. What I do recall is Carrie calling Miranda when she was having a hard time with Big to meet at their spot. What I do recall is Carrie actually giving up her "last night" with Big when she went into labor. I remember her saying she Never lied to Miranda before. I remember her judging Samantha alot. Let me know what I missed.

[@Notawesomeatall7]

I always thought that because Miranda was such an insecure mess THAT is what made Carrie feel better about herself. Samantha doesn't pretend to be better and is very self-aware

[@missxxoo]

@crazy4orlando2 Yep, Carrie and Samantha, being the closest, was overtly stated within the series multiple times. I recall catching it during a rewatch and rewound the part. Hearing that actually initiated another one of my rewatches of the series. I wanted to "see it" lol. I never even thought about which one of them would be considered "close" to her prior. But otherwise, Carrie inadvertly admitted everyone has a use. It was used as a transition line in one of the earlier episodes. When she needs sound or legal advice, she goes to Miranda, and when she wanted to pick out... I think they were looking at fine China plates (?) in the scene, she goes to Charlotte. They were trying to find some nice expensive gift in that episode.

[@sofe6977]

When you have a friend like Carrie you don't need enemies

[@SerenaSkybourne]

Omg this is too good 😂

[@s.e.studios1386]

Don't forget having an affair the week of Charlotte's wedding and breaking up the day of the wedding. Creating drama to get the attention back on her.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

💯💯 she couldn't resist

[@_solita_]

but charlotte doesn't even know about the breakup until after the wedding? how did carrie make the wedding about her?

[@s.e.studios1386]

@@_solita_ She knew about the affair and the breakup happened right outside the church. If it was real life everyone would be asking 'where's Aiden carrie?' at the reception, I've witness low key attention grabs like this at every wedding I've been to. The point is to keep it subtle enough so you can deny trying to steal attention.

[@_solita_]

@@s.e.studios1386 please don't take offense when i say this but this is a tv show, you're supposed to suspend disbelief for aspects of it. if they wanted to make a point about carrie taking attention away from charlotte's wedding there wouldn't have been a scene of them debriefing after the wedding about their rocky relationships. i understand that carrie reminds people of the bad people in their life but does it make sense to rewrite the narrative of the show to fit a scenario that didn't play out that way? there are so many other things to criticize carrie for so why not actually address those instead?

[@s.e.studios1386]

Well, I don't think the writers of SATC intended to write Carrie as a jealous character at all. As the maker of the video said we view Carrie differently now in light of mindfulness culture, awareness about narcissism etc. The video is using Carrie and some of her interactions with Charlotte as an example of covert jealousy and how to spot it even though the SATC writers didn't intend to write a tension between them into the script. I was just adding to her point that we often see in real life the timing of a friend's drama to be questionable. That's all I meant :)

[@kammyyedor4225]

Carrie Bradshaw is a classic energy vampire. You see a lot of them in NYC and they can be exhausting to be around.

[@Notawesomeatall7]

They're here on the West Coast too

[@joylindadichamounix]

@@Notawesomeatall7 Probably in any of the big cities where they are all trying to make it into showbiz or fashion!

[@teodoram.7498]

Energy vampires are unhappy people, addicts, with unsolved trauma. Even if its family, I try to stay away.

[@LAWoman323213]

That’s a good one “energy vampire”

[@draganmilojevic4382]

Sexvideos

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Carrie really, really needed to go to therapy and decide if she actually wants a traditional marriage (like Charlotte) or more freedom and many partners indefinitely (like Samantha). She was confused, caught in the middle, and therefore lashing out at everyone else who had picked their path.

[@amywonderland9297]

What frustrates me is after Charlotte does give her the ring, does Carrie take this as a huge wake up call and start saving? NOPE! She sorts out her apartment then boom! Back to shoes, shoes, shoes!

[@mavka.chorna]

Finally, we are admitting that Carrie was a hoarder.

[@jesswhycamarz]

Carrie telling Aiden about the affair before Charlotte’s wedding was grade A narcissistic behavior. It delayed Charlotte’s wedding and undoubtedly made Charlotte pour into Carrie emotionally on a day that Carrie should have been pouring into Charlotte and all of her friendships. We’ve been watching Carrie for 25 years and she hasn’t grown much.

[@kassykreutzer6972]

It was sad that she did that 2 times with the rabbit guy who gave her a kink in her neck then Aiden and they broke up on her wedding day wow I never realized how much my partner was right that Carrie is a odd ball not cool 😅

[@Karina-mu1lk]

Carrie calling Charlotte 'Harlot' in the Atlanta episode definitely confirmed she was soo jealous of her😂

[@myheart715]

Yes 🙌 Charlotte looked amazing in that dress!

[@SerenaSkybourne]

Charlotte looked damn good and she knew it 🫦

[@joylindadichamounix]

I think that & The Old Maid thing were meant as jokes.

[@bill3487]

@@joylindadichamounixyea but someone who is supposed to be your best friend/ sister I would never think to joke about them like that

[@blackdateline1996]

They were in New Jersey not Atlanta 😂. The Girls being in Atlanta would be so random and funny.

[@justinejustice_league1857]

When Carrie told Charlotte that she didn't even have to work, how belittling was that to say? Charlotte is smart and an art history major, working at a prominent art gallery. It's another upper echelon world that Carrie doesn't come from or understand but desperately wants to be a part of. That and the demand for the ring did it for me. I was done with Carrie. Charlotte even compares herself to Natasha when she reprimands Carrie after she doesn't take cheating with Big seriously. Charlotte asks, "how would you feel if it were me? You don't know a thing about her.(Natasha) Carrie even calls Natasha a dumb housewife when we see she's worked her way up the corporate ladder and into a top floor office view and assistants in the Just Like That series. All the women actually became successful in their own right but not Carrie pickme Bradshaw. She's always had money problems, but she'll die a rich widow now.

[@6HauntedDays]

Belittling? It's JUST FACT. She doesn't have to work! Simple Fact. What TF. She didn't have to go get a degree but she had the money so why not. Good grief so triggered by facts.

[@danielaf1487]

Carrie treated all her friends like crap, a lot of the time. A few instances in which she was horrid to Miranda spring to mind. Not really sure how Carrie deserved those wonderful friends, to be honest.

[@missxxoo]

Agreed! A few examples: Miranda - Carrie left her nude on the bathroom floor and sent Aiden to help her instead. Charlotte - Carrie literally pulled up to Charlotte's penthouse and confronted her on not offering her money. Literally felt entitled to an answer from Charlotte. Samantha - Carrie repeatedly kept making embarrasing sly jokes (read: digs) at Samantha in the middle of their group lunch about catching Samantha having xes in HER office when Carrrie decided to arrive either unannounced or unprecedentedly early than their agreed time.

[@zztopz7090]

Main character syndrome. They always have the most supporting and forgiving friends for no reason.

[@dlamancha5697]

She constantly treated them like crap.

[@SaMira-gb6vg]

I recently watched the cheating w Big episodes and the one where she wants Charlottes ring, and what baffles me the most is that the writers knew, what’s wrong with Carrie since the other characters respond to it, but they still couldn’t manage any character development. And the fact that she insisted to keep seeing Big after Aiden gave her a second chance just left me speechless…

[@maggielou17]

Surprised you didn’t include the scene where she covered Charolette’s ring when she announced she was engaged with the break up sticky note and said “sorry paper cover rock.”

[@BeastlyChowder]

Yeah totally. I always was annoyed about that!

[@TheLauraVEffect]

My jaw dropped the very first time I saw that! 😂

[@Jessica-cu1rh]

Carrie had worn more revealing outfits, the audacity to call her out on it was so annoying

[@BeYounique...Maryanne]

Exactly! They all did -- and all looked amazing when they did. Then Charlotte does it and since it's out of character for her, they all freaked.

[@promisejackianja8458]

I also fill that in a way men’s willingness to commit to Charlotte triggered something in Carrie, especially given the context of her relationship with Mr. Big. I think her being more suited to his type is the icing on the cake, I feel she had a paranoia that if in another universe had he met Charlotte first they would have got their happily ever after.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I think it really hurt her feelings for sure because it made her feel inferior and less than

[@6HauntedDays]

Yea most men are quick to commit to anyone with MONEY. 🙄😂 helllooooo.

[@chanoy._v8758]

Charlotte also told her not to wear the “Naked” Dress on the first date w/Big. It was bad enough that they met with her (carries) condoms in Bigs Hands, clearly coming from a hookup but then they had sex on the first date. That shaped how Big treated Carrie and she knew it. The dates to the hole in the wall restaurants, not introducing her to friends, no consistency etc. When he did take her into his world she was so uncouth and Charlotte again was trying to teach her the social expectations and she just wanted “to be herself” while stomping all over everyone else’s norms as a guest in their world.

[@Avoranation]

6:05 jealousy is ok, just means you want what they have. Envy is dangerous and cruel, you want what they have AND you don't want them to have it, either by taking it from them, or hoping they lose it. That's the difference between the two.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I've always found the difference between the two words a bit difficult to understand

[@Bleachshugo]

Yes, completely. I experienced this with my now ex friend. Envy is powerful, but jealousy can be a teacher. It's a presenter of a want manifested in a bright way.

[@6HauntedDays]

That's called ENVY not jealousy. My god WHY are so many so uneducated now??? Unbelievable.

[@Bleachshugo]

@@SerenaSkybourne A friend of mine describes jealousy and envy like this: Jealousy is emotion. Envy is the act of the emotion. Just like you can be jealous that someone has something/someone you want, but envy is when you act upon the jealousy by taking what belongs to someone else. Envy coincides with a plethora of other emotions as well, which makes it dangerous for all parties.

[@theodoravellum4589]

Actually jealousy is concern that someone will take what you have. Envy is a desire to take what someone else has.

[@codezero7981]

in some ways or another Carrie Bradshaw was New York itself.

[@maddyG7414]

Personally I didn’t like Charlotte much as a character- I found her story arch not very relatable and she was a tad judgmental and naive. However she was also a real friend, had standards and morals and had something Carrie didn’t- class, and not just in a superficial way.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I don't love her either but I see her value as a character

[@gokcenakdag8189]

She wasn’t naive at all. She would go on first dates with men to give them a chance and she would sleep with them within the first three dates like most American women in NY did. When she didn’t see a future she would move on. What is naive or unrelatable about a woman who is looking for a serious relationship and going on dates? Carry got obsessed with a toxic relationship and never let it go, she was quite the stalker to Big. Charlotte also is more open minded than you think, her best friends being Charlotte and Carrie proves a lot. İn fact Carrie was a lot more judgemental towards Samantha than Charlotte, Charlotte was genuinely shocked and curious sometimes or just didn’t want to go into details of her sex life in public outloud. I did stop liking her later on when they made her literally change her religion and life style over a MAN. Ridiculous writing I hate to see it so often. Would be it so accepted if she became muslim for a man? No. How is it okay for her to become jewish as if thats somehow better .He literally wouldn’t marry her otherwise it was an ultimatum!

[@iMoon-j2n]

I remember when it came out and how revolutionary it was that the protagonist was an antiheroine, a deeply flawed female character. She wasn't meant to be unproblematic, instead she was one of few female characters out there, like her friends, that were allowed to be flawed, chaotic and simply human and getting through life in spite of that. That found ways to forgive each other. That was valuable, because my friends and I were (edit: and are😅) human and thus flawed, and it made it easier to laugh about it and just be more forgiving to ourselves instead of holding us to impossible standards viewed on screen at the time.

[@Mina-hm2og]

What was awful about Carrie's treatment of Charlotte when asking about money wasn't the asking part, but the way she went about it. She could have admitted her horrible way of dealing with money, promise to Charlotte she would be more careful and responsible, and then ask her friend's help, and if Charlotte declined ,not to throw a tantrum. The thing about being jealous of your friends is that sometimes we feel that way when a friend does well ,contrary to us at the same time, because we feel superior somewhat to that person and the only way to be in a relationship with the friend is only if we are doing better than him/her. That I think is the way Carrie felt about Charlotte, because remember, Charlotte was considered silly for having romantic notions about love and marriage and was low key being made fun off by her friends. The solution is a)When such feelings arise for a dear friend to have a courageously honest look at ourselves and take responsibility for our choices, and b)accept that in life there will always be people more successful, happy, beautiful than us, so we must stop comparing ourselves to others and focus on us.

[@hayleymcphail7143]

Why did Carrie even have to ask Charlotte for money when Samantha and Miranda had already offered it to her?

[@shelleygoodwin6371]

If someone has to consider themselves better in any way than their friends to be friends with them, they're actually not a friend to anyone. They're horrible.

[@CarlDillynson]

Charlottes look in Atlantic City was definitely one of her best looks meanwhile Carrie had on the worst look of the entire show *and* that hack-job bob. THE NERVE she had to call Charlotte a “harlot” while she herself looked like a clown…ugh season five Carrie is the worst.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Carrie was so jealous and immature to me buying things that were too expensive knowing she couldn't afford it and the way she treated Charlotte when she didn't want to help her with her money troubles i got to side with Charlotte money and friendship ruin relationships i have seen this i wished she hadn't given carrie the money to me she needed to learn the consequences of her actions

[@marniekilbourne608]

Yes, we knew that while watching it at the time. It wasn't something that we also didn't think. You might want to put some effort into learning how to write a proper sentence. Using punctuation and not just one long run on sentence of your opinions. You sound illiterate which thankfully, neither Carrie nor Charlotte was!

[@nicolehall694]

I always dealt with jealousy when I was younger and hoped women would grow out of it. Unfortunately that is not the case. The older I've gotten the more women are jealous of me and it's exhausting. I don't understand why they can't work through their issues instead of making me deal with it

[@pistachiosandpopcorn7146]

Hah. When you’re older you get more aware I think and then you spot jealousy just like that. When we are kids we just think “they don’t like me cause there is something wrong with me”. So I don’t feel jealousy increases or decreases…I think we just have a radar on more when we get older

[@BeYounique...Maryanne]

@@pistachiosandpopcorn7146 As I grew older, I tried harder to turn a blind eye to jealousy, but sadly it will always be there -- especially if you still look great, are happily married, and love your career. I've never been a jealous person -- always a cheerleader. And with some "friends" whatever kindness or support you offer, it's never enough when they are insecure. Then they'll do something passive aggressively mean to destroy the friendship. All that said, my husband is my best friend and I love that!

[@BeastlyChowder]

Me too. It’s just how women are. Women are not the good angels we are made to believe they are.

[@angeliprimlani9389]

I think what you are missing here is that Carrie is intended to be a trashfire and the point of the show is that these women see both the good and bad with each other and accept each other. They are able to be flawed and forgiven, which is I suppose is out of fashion now. Also worth noting is that this show was not on network television. It was deliberately classified as adult entertainment on a pay cable network. This is not something like Gilmore Girls. The audience is supposed to regard these women with a much more sophisticated understanding of them as characters. Carrie is not intended to be anyone’s role model and as originally broadcast she wasn’t supposed to have young or immature viewers at all. The intention was that people relate to the cringe parts of themselves and have the cathartic experience of seeing that as universal. So Carrie is jealous, she’s petty, she’s a mess with money, and she’s not a good friend all the time. She’s supposed to be the mirror we hold up to nature and so are the other characters.

[@jaynedavis3388]

One of my friends could buy & sell my entire life. She knows I’m on a disability pension yet I’ve never asked her for anything. It’s part of why we’re friends, too many people see her as walking money & don’t care about her feelings & very real struggles. It’s absolutely possible to be friends with someone who is in a vastly different financial position than you but it starts with empathy for the richer person, not a cry for help from the poorer person

[@Notawesomeatall7]

I actually have a mother and sisters like Carrie. Always looking down on their 'friends' and over-spending to project an image and watching their friends they look down get attention and married to amazing men while they end up alone.

[@zztopz7090]

Omg same. Ive actually had such a profound and disturbing realization lately that I will never be good enough for my mother while my sister can do no wrong. Its profound because I always thought me and my mother were close, and me being the youngest, I was told I was the favorite. Now I feel like my life is a lie, Ive been trying to please a total stranger, and I just feel betrayed and numb. Shes always pitted my sister and I against each other and been at the center of all our fights. I decided to cut ties with my mother, the person Ive been near my whole life, because it turns out it was one sided. She loves being needed by her neglected children. I just wish I knew sooner. Sorry for the rant.

[@lizziebennet2084]

@@zztopz7090sounds like you have a narcissistic mother, unfortunately. I wish the best for you, you did it right.

[@666numberofthebeast]

​@@zztopz7090 Same situation with my "mother" I always thought we were so close but the whole time she was painting me in a bad light to my whole family and she was the reason why my sisters and I stopped being close as we grew up, we used to be best friends but she would talk bad about them to me and turn around doing the same to them. She thrived on seeing us fighting and her the "worried" mom who was somehow the victim and hurt by our fights. It's ridiculous and I cut her off in the beginning of the pandemic, haven't talked to her since and don't plan to! As for my sisters, I might talk to them once the toxic mother dies

[@kareem0525]

Yes she/they were jealous! Remember when they all went to the spa and Charlotte was self conscious about her thighs and they all told her that her body was beautiful. Then seasons later they’re body shaming her. Charlotte was drop dead gorgeous!✨🩷

[@SammyKitty92]

i doubt she ever paid charlotte back like to this day

[@Villan.00]

She is the type of person who would feel like she just deserved the money

[@tauqueishachester9844]

She was late for Charlotte wedding by telling Aiden she was cheating Charlotte never would have done that

[@julijakeit]

I believe that Charlotte and Samantha are the 2 sides of the same coin, not Carrie. Both Sam and Charlotte go after what they believe in, albeit using different methods, they both have high standards and aren't persuaded to change just because someone else dictates them to. Both Charlotte and Samantha are judged harshly by Carrie, Carrie is definitely jealous of Charlotte's background and financial security.

[@dlamancha5697]

Carrie in particular judged and belittled Charlotte every chance she could. Case in point whenever she mentioned Charlotte grew up with money. Her implication was that Charlotte wasn't as good as Carrie, Miranda and Samantha because of it. So what? Charlotte OWNS a gallery. That makes her just as hard working as Miranda and Sam. We've seen her do gallery shows, network with artists and customers. It takes a great deal of knowledge to do this. We don't know if Sam or Miranda grew up with money, because it wasn't mentioned, but Charlotte made her career on her own. It's unfair for Carrie to judge. I also think that Charlotte was the one taking the steps of life ahead of the others. When Carrie was whining about her boyfriends or Big or whatever, she should have been listening to Charlotte's marriage or baby issues. They were much more important, yet Carrie also had to be the 'star' and take center stage with EVERYTHING. That damned ring episode drove me insane. FIrst we had to hear about how Carrie's ring from Adien wasn't good enough, then she refused to wear it, then she breaks up with him and still expected him to bail her out when her building was going co-op. What kind of empowered independent woman does that? Carrie never thought of selling her own damned ring, or even tried to make the money herself, she just expected somebody else to bail her out. Why get on Charlotte's case about offering the money? Char was totally right. It wasn't her job to fix Carrie's finances. She just judged her unfairly again.

[@julia-o8f9h]

10:31 What about that scene when Charlotte *finally* gets engaged to Harry and carrie slaps her break-up postit over the ring and changes the conversation to her drama with burger. I would have never spoken to Carrie again had she done that to me.

[@OceanLily]

I liked that Carrie was flawed. We all know a Carrie😂

[@brisebastiano4974]

When I first watched the show I loved Carrie, but I was also like 15😂 now I'm a hardcore Samantha fan and also don't think that Miranda gets nearly enough credit!

[@HodajuciParadoks]

Carrie treated every one of her friends like her servants, she is not a good friend. She is the character we should never become.

[@MayaLarsen-y3r]

I like how Charlotte stood up to Carrie stateing " you are a 35 year old woman you need to learn on how to stand on ypur own."

[@lovetodaylisa3967]

I feel a little sorry for the actress Sarah J Parker. She probably loved this character and thought it was relatable ( which in a weird way it is. tons of selfish girlies out there) I hope we all learn about ourselves thru her.

[@biljam972]

Yes, I love talks about Carrie, because she is such a flawed and interesting character! A lot of tv shows today have main characters that are too perfect, PG, super-moral, like almost written for children. 90s and 80s were the time when tv shows were written with characters that weren't so carefully PC like today. humans are flawed, we are not PG characters and not always PC. That's why 90s tv shows are having come-back now.

[@samozivkanadmenic9492]

I love this clip, and I agree with you, you shouldn't overshare your dreams and hopes or even problems with new someone even tho you like them, it happened to me once, I cut that person out of my life, but it was learning experience for me. Like yes, you should find new friends, but always give them time before you overshare some intimate details about yourself. I enjoyed listening to you!

[@vonterriojones]

Off topic, but you should do a video on Charlotte, Samantha, and Miranda.

[@tankdesign1]

Carrie thinks she’s “not like other woman” while charlotte has more self awareness and humility to admit she’s perhaps basic but who cares?

[@pistachiosandpopcorn7146]

This is why people try to stay within their tax bracket lol. I definitely never have in my life…because I thought it was shallow. But the older I get…the more I understand it. No one mentions the obvious of how pretty charlotte was.

[@MercurialSammiii]

This hits harder when you find out Charlotte’s actress dated the man who played Big

[@Patchouliprince]

Carrie is OVERLY hated? Sorry but no she deserves alllllll the hate she gets. I refuse to accept a character as likable just because I’m supposed to like the main character, write a likable MC then

[@_Celine_26]

24:20 I had to listen twice because I thought you said "how many castles you own" the first time 😂 In any case, that was the discussion we didn't know we needed. I can feel it hits you very close too.

[@AshleySpeaks09]

The main character in SATC is $. They all want it, those who have it want more… you see how the show treated the “lessers” like Steve. Miranda was so harsh on his gf for working at a call center uppity heifer that’s a lot of work. Carrie was always scratching and surviving in NYC trying to keep up w her more comfortable friends. Of course she was envious of Charlotte she came from $, made a good living then married $ twice. Never had to play second fiddle either. Carrie can hate on that’s life.

[@catherinenieves5106]

Carrie was a lousy friend.

[@Hanngo2603]

Carrie wants to win the game that she isn’t willing to put in the work or play by the rules. She thinks she is THE exception , so unique so cool so special 😂 Charlotte is the reminder to Carrie that Carrie’s perception of herself, reality and dating game is completely distorted, hence the jealousy and misdirected anger.

[@toriosbourne5837]

i love these videos about SATC and Carrie please keep them going!!! I totally agree with each one and thought I was over thinking lol glad to see someone else agree and voice opinions in such a nice way.

[@nelgnelgnelg]

She was so rude to her so many times, the money issues, making it about her when Char announced she was engaged and that time when she called her crazy in Dubai

[@gingerkatherina]

Perfect upload timing 🙌 I was just binging the other 2 and thought I would love to listen to the Charlotte- one you mentioned you wanted to do 🥳🥳🥳

[@RoseRose-hp4rq]

An ex friend of mine asked me on two separate occasions to invest in her business and on the second time she asked me I had to tell her straight to her face that it was never going to happen and not to ever ask me again and she was very salty about it.

[@stephanieok5365]

I wonder if Carrie would be better received if her character was aged down and adopted by an older woman friend group? I think a lot of annoyance comes from her doing all these things in her 30s. If the character were 24 at the start of the show, you could kind of see why the behavior is obnoxious because you're still young and learning. Another thing that would have helped is if she had more background. Miranda has a mom and sibling but i don't know anything about Carrie. Why does she horde shoes? Why does she need all that male validation? What was her childhood like and how is it informing this disaster adultolesence?

[@goodforyoursoul133]

adultolescence is the PERFECT word to describe carrie bradshaw. you hit the nail right on the head.

[@addywithay1803]

I copied this over from my reddit comment because I am annoying and it seems like this is the place to comment on your stufff: I am a huge fan of your videos, but I think you ignored Carrie's storylines in the two big episodes you bring up. The casino episode and the money episode. I don't think you understand why Carrie was upset in the casino episode. She wasn't jealous of Charlotte. This was supposed to be a girl’s trip. Char didn't want it to be about her, her birthday. So, Carrie made it about all the girls being together because she is worried about the girls not spending enough time together. The entire time Carrie is just trying to get all four of them together and get a picture. That's all she wants. But at every turn the other girls are running off. Carrie shoo's the men off because she wants to spend time with Charlotte. Not because she is jealous. And you have missed two big things about the money/house/ring episode. Carrie says she is being irrationally mad. She calls herself out. before the scene even starts. You aren't supposed to be on Carrie's side. And you missed the big thing she say to Charlotte. "Carrie: I wouldn't take it. Charlotte: Well then, what does it matter if I offered it or not? Carrie: Because... I would have offered it to you." Carrie had the money from Big. Miranda and Sam also offered the money. Carrie wanted to get the money herself. She doesn’t want help. But in the lunch scene it's not just that Char doesn’t offer. She doesn’t even look Carrie in the eye. It’s not about money. It’s about the fact that Charlotte couldn’t even look at her as she talked about potentially being homeless. And secondhand shoes do not sell for that much money. She couldn’t have even gotten half of what she spent. And the ring isn't about Big. The ring is about Aidan. Carrie ended her engagement to Aidan, and she gave back the ring. She couldn't even look at it. Then he threatens to kick her out of her home. He knows she can't afford it, and he does it anyway because he is upset with her. So, in the moment where she is being- in her own words- irrationally mad she calls Char out. That’s why when they both apologize to each other Carrie at first refuses the ring. And Char admits to not being ready to let go off being a wife, but she still gives Carrie the ring anyway because she wants to move on.

[@BeccasaurousRex270]

There’s no defense for Carry with the money. She ripped up the check from Big. Carrie on the verge of homelessness was 100000% her fault so Charlotte was correct in not offering anything or even responding to Carrie’s plight. Carrie had the affair that ended her relationship with Aiden. Carrie is the one who mismanaged all her money. Miranda and Samantha offered to help Carrie with a portion of the down payment, they didn’t offer to pay all of it. Charlotte had just gotten divorced a couple months ago, so it’s natural for her to not be ready to accept that it’s over, her marriage failed and she’s divorced. Carrie couldn’t even wear her engagement ring, she broke out in hives. Also, Carry took the money from charlotte and in the very next episode (which was probably the next week) what does Carrie do again, she buys another pair of super expensive designer shoes. Carrie learned nothing and her continuing her bad spending habits was a slap on the face to charlotte. Carrie sucked and was a horrible friend who was jealous of Charlotte wealth

[@Blue.1889]

Lmao did Charlotte ever put Carrie in that position when Bunny was trying to kick her out of the apartment? Carrie is the most selfish person ever, I can’t see her doing anything like that for anyone else, especially not the person she wishes she could be like the most. Good point about the birthday party but still

[@addywithay1803]

@@Blue.1889 Charlotte didn’t put Carrie in that position because she was fighting a legal battle. She wasn’t about to lose the apartment in a month like Carrie was. And while Carrie is selfish, so is Charlotte. It’s one of her main character traits. Carrie is not a huge villain like people make her out to be and she’s not nearly as selfish as people say that she is. I finish watching the show for the first time a couple weeks ago with Carrie hate in mind. And truly carries evil demeanor that people say that she has is greatly exaggerated in the fandom

[@addywithay1803]

@@BeccasaurousRex270 I’m not defending Carrie. I’m pointing out the plot points of the episodes that were ignored while making this video. And I never said Carrie didn’t miss manage her money.

[@moonlit.michelle]

It's easy for Carrie to say she would have offered the money to Charlotte because she doesn't have that kind of money. It's the same whenever someone says, "I would NEVER do xyz..." when they've never been put into that position themselves. Let's be honest, Carrie wouldn't have been out of the street. Her friends would have let her couch surf until she got back on her feet.

[@pjhunt4135]

Charlotte was always my fave character BY FAR, right on through the 2 movies and into and just like that

[@franciscaguevara1611]

This is incredibly true, sharing is something you should only do with people you trust. If you can't rely on someone with simple things, they probably shouldn't be trusted with any of your thoughts, dreams, and aspirations... they are probably keeping things surface level with you also...

[@catherinenieves5106]

Charlotte had the most character growth.

[@loreleimarsh7104]

You are so correct about not sharing details with newer friends. I shared one detail with a friend were I was kinda going on a date with a guy. We decided it was better to be friends because we both didn't want to get into serious relationship, and we were in the same friends group. It was just for the best, but even now a year later she asks me if were dating or planning to. I always say no, were just friends and happy as that. She's so annoying because she like don't you like him? I'm like were just really good friends. Are friendship has deteriorated over the course of year and half anyway because we are roommates with two other girls. Anyway, i'm very cautious with who and when I tell people i'm going out with someone or have goals. The best lesson I have learned at a 21 year old to be honest.

[@victrola2007]

Hating Carrie is a sign that you are sane! She had no issue taking Charlotte's engagement ring but bet she never paid her back even after marrying Big!

[@SerenaSkybourne]

@@victrola2007 you're right

[@TheEverGrowingRosey-333]

I have mixed feelings about the comments Carrie sometimes makes about Charlotte’s privilege. Yes expecting her to pay off her debt for her was ridiculous & the ways she can be lowkey mean/caddy to her is not something I would tolerate from a friend. But also I do think when you are in a highly privileged position in life regardless of how much of that was in your control, you need to be reminded & have that bubble popped. I say this as a decently privileged person, taking it for granted will make you out of touch or worse callous to everyday people.

[@KIEFLOAF]

i loveee your videos clocking Carrie! 😭 looking forward to more of your SATC commentary! (hopefully more otw)

[@SerenaSkybourne]

If you guys have any more advice for spotting someone who's jealous, comment! ⬇️

[@angelaholmes8888]

Would you ever do videos on the tv series designing women starring delta burke and dixie Carter and Jean smart

[@BeYounique...Maryanne]

It's always the little "digs." Don't ignore them, they are big red flags. Friends support each other, they don't act catty.

[@ant713m]

This is such a good analysis. I never picked up on carries internalised jealous towards Charlotte. But it makes sense and there were so many instances where she treated Charlotte like a joke or as if her problems were not real. Charlotte had class. Carrie could wear 500 dollars manolos and still look like a hooker. She didn't know how to be put together and organised. It wasn't effortless for Charlotte, she worked hard and had a lot of self discipline which Carrie never does. She was right to refuse her the money. I have had instances from real life with friends who cant get their act together expecting money. Not my problem. You didn't ask me before you made a mess of your life and didn't listento my advice so im not going to bail you out.

[@mashup3916]

8:06 Is this considered a slight? Im genuinely curious, Im not asking to troll or anything, maybe Im girl-coding wrong but i don’t understand why silence in this scenario is rude? If I was in Charlotte’s position, I would want compliments if that’s what you’re really thinking about my outfit, not just to make me feel good? But maybe Im wrong? I thought saying nothing if one has nothing nice to say was the way to go about it?

[@joylindadichamounix]

Wasn't the pink dress for Brady's birthday after the miscarriage? When did Carrie call Charlotte a 'slut'? I actually think that Miranda is the jealous one because the other girls are feminine or sexy whereas Miranda has more of a masculine energy about her.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

It's in her internal narration when she sees Charlotte walking in her pink dress that she uses the word slut which was quite out of left field

[@mavka.chorna]

@@joylindadichamounix how dare Miranda want to be loved for who she is without conforming to oppressive beauty standards!!!

[@joylindadichamounix]

@@mavka.chorna Maybe you are taking this a bit too seriously!

[@Lawlllz]

Jealousy is normal..? Jealousy is a disease… get well soon Carrie!

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I think it's normal for all of us at times to notice the emotion but it's very ugly when it's an overbearing quality and when it's consuming your life like in Carrie's case ):

[@Catsclaw-ru6zw]

Charlotte & Natasha should've been bfs.

[@carlamoss89]

i think what carrie expected of charlotte with the ring and her downpayment was ridiculous, but i also don't think charlotte is in any position to judge, because she's never had to worry about money. she's not ambitious, she's just uptight and judgmental. it's easy to say "manage your money" when you have plenty to spare that you didn't even work for. yeah she worked at the gallery but that's not how she made most of the money she had. it was just generational.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

I agree with this, Charlotte never had to struggle or even worry too much because she has built-in privilege and access to great advice regarding saving money etc

[@loveart429]

Totally love this topic

[@aliciagrun]

People truly forget that this behaviour was normalised in 00's .. presented as aspirational behavior 😅😅😅

[@loveart429]

This is such a great topic

[@Mini-Toast_]

The evil eye thing is interesting. I've always been told it is real, and I believe it to be as well. Occurrences I've witnessed could be coincidental, but they happened far too often. I'd like to hear if anyone else believes in it and why they do. I can be a bit too open with my goals and dreams and I worry it might sabotage them.

[@SerenaSkybourne]

@@Mini-Toast_ I think that ultimately you get to decide if you succeed or not, but often when you share your most private dreams with people they project their own insecurities and self-limiting beliefs onto you

[@mymobiledevicerightnow7978]

While I have issues with Carrie (she is a complex person with deep-rooted issues), I never thought she was jealous of Charlotte. She and the girls viewed Charlotte as the Polyanna, a lovable idiot but their lovable idiot. Charlotte, while the most warm and caring of the group, demonstrated her ability to be quite conceited and judgemental, bending her set of rules to suit her purpose whenever she wanted (essentially being a hypocrite when it worked in her favour). Like Carrie, that makes Charlotte a nuanced character. In the apartment episode, I understand why Carrie was upset that Charlotte didn't make the gesture of offer, as Charlotte spent a lot of her time bragging about her privilege. Also, throughout the series, Charlotte didn't really earn her wealth and privilege but got it via the men in her life.

[@mermaidmaterial5735]

She had her own money as well, shes mentioned being a successful investor

[@BeccasaurousRex270]

Charlotte definitely earned her wealth before her marriage. She was working as an art curator and it’s been mentioned that she had investments.

[@pistachiosandpopcorn7146]

I agree. Charlotte was higher than Carrie in some aspect (in Carrie’s mind) but Carrie brushed it off like “oh charlotte is an idiot. No thank you. I’ll take my life “

[@scattered9brain]

Didn’t that hate wave started 30 years ago 😂

[@YmustTh3w0rldG0r0und]

7:44 Yeah, I've had that happen to me. They weren't really my friends except for one or two, but we were becoming more acquainted because they were friends with one of my good friends. We're trying on bridesmaids outfits, I immediately could feel the change of energy as soon as I had announced that I really liked how I looked and that I felt really gorgeous. On the day of the wedding, only two people, my good friend the bride and one other bridesmaid (not the one I considered a friend) genuinely told me I looked good. Everyone else had a snide comment and kind of gave me a dirty look. I wish I could say that's all that happened, but we went to take photos and the photographer told us we had a break. I went to go talk to my boyfriend, who I hadn't seen for a month because we were long distance at the time, and only one minute had passed and they blew up on me. I was pretty meek, considerate, and usually up what everyone else on it, but from that point on did not hold back my anger. I made it clear that I wasn't going to be pushed around and that was very insulted with the way they treated my bf and me. Also, little ridiculous that they were treating me that way for spending time with my boyfriend because I hadn't seen him for a month. No, the wedding wasn't ruined. 1. The ceremony had passed. 2. That happened during the photos and stuff were taken. 3.The bride was caught up in the glow of the day so she didn't really know what was going on. Plus, I didn't want to bring it all on her at the moment. 4, Only one of the bridesmaids came up and apologize for me having to go through that. Which she was one of the ones that did not blow up on me. Took that chance to express myself loudly on how upset I was about that. Also, I had to drive them back because they came with me in a van to drive them back to the reception. Apparently, my driving scared them anyway. I just started driving and it was the first time driving a van. So it wasn't malicious just inexperience, but it did the job. My boyfriend thought that was funny and he told me himself that they were jealous of me. His words exactly: You are so beautiful. They have nothing on you and they know it. He also said that we were the best looking couple and they couldn't stand it.

[@DCfan6767]

Wonderful video very detailed and explains a lot

[@thesilentdiva]

Ppl are analyzing this show out the ying yang, and yes you really can. There's a lot to unpack

[@abbyabroad]

Love you! Just fyi, it was Atlantic City, NJ not Atlanta ♥️♥️

[@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie]

We want our friends to feel 🎶 BEJEWELED 🎶, NOT kept 🎶 in the basement / [ . . . ] of your heart 🎶; lol 😅 (just a Taylor Swift reference for you all . . . ) 💎

[@loveart429]

I can’t wait for the video about money next week

[@jax001993]

I personally never saw Carrie being jealous of charlotte except in that money episode. Also I saw the reaction to Charlotte's pink dress in atlantic city as shock from all the friends bc that was not Charlotte's normal clothing (I still hate the use of the word "slut" though). Also the part of that episode where I think Carrie didnt want her and Charlotte to talk to those guys, I dont think that was jealously. Season 5 was weird. I'm not sure if it was bc of SJP's pregnancy or post-9/11,or something else. Carrie in S5 was really cynical about love. In the atlantic city episode, Carrie wanted to spend time with the girls but the trip was a disaster. When Carrie turned those guys down and took Charlotte away, she said something like "what roles those guys would play in their lives?" like in her mind why even try to find love. Charlotte basically said she didnt want to stop trying to find her perfect match. Now I do believe that Carrie made Charlotte's bday about herself but I dont think it was rooted in jealously.

[@irinapavlovna3115]

Where would other women be if there wasn’t a Carrie?).. Maybe Natasha was self-centered and never truly loved Big? Maybe she just benefited from their relationship. Maybe Big tried to benefit from it as well, but later realized that there’s love involved and that Carrie truly cared for him unlike Natasha?.. Charlotte was just stingy. Didn’t want to help her friend even though it was easy for her. Carrie had to teach her a lesson.

[@BarefootBeachBling]

Didn't Charlotte get all her money from divorcing the rich guy she married? I thought her money came from him, not her family. I know the fancy apartment came from the wealthy X.

[@ab-ie7uo]

Would you do a video on Samantha as well perhaps?:)

[@amaris5]

Charlotte is just prettier and richer than Carrie. It's ok! Carrie is just weird and I don't like her most of the time.

[@NaneelQueenOfDarknes]

The blonde vs brunette war wages on lol

[@6HauntedDays]

Soooo charlotte was somehow perfect? She wasn't ever jealous or catty or awful?? Sure thing. I'd say she couldn't ever be herself and was always very fake. Always a mask. Like most.

[@dazza8551]

No because the dress was out of her character

[@martabielasik230]

And her replies to Samantha were almost always mean

[@momfoldinglaundry9963]

The fakest thing about this show is that nobody in the friend group ever slept with their friend’s boyfriend.

[@mavka.chorna]

Samantha slept with Charlotte's brother 💀

[@pastelmoon-art]

Completely disagree with you about friends being fake if they don't go "Oh my God! You look amazing 🤩🤩🤩". If anything behaving like that if you don't think your friend looks incredible is fake.

[@scattered9brain]

Hi serena ♡ ♡ ♡

[@SerenaSkybourne]

Hi! ❤️

[@victrola2007]

Pardon me, but as someone who was alive during that time, I assure you there was plenty of mental help. Some terms weren't coined, perhaps, but you make it sound as if it was at a stone age period wrt mental health.

[@LAWoman323213]

I watched this episode in real time. This is when I realized Carrie is a bad person!

[@cassiopeiatheladybug5367]

I am jelous of people who dont have the learning - and developmental disabilities i have. Escpeially when it takes me twice as long as others to get a bachelor degree.

[@jesswhycamarz]

your ability to get commit and get it done despite your disability is far more valuable 💜 your feelings are valid though. Don’t beat yourself up about it, at least you’re self aware AF.

[@marniekilbourne608]

If this show came out in 1998, that was the year I graduated high school. I knew of the show but it was not a show that I was interested in watching at the time. The women were in their 30's and their lives obviously had nothing to do with where my life was at then. I had friends who watched it. I only ended up watching the show at all years later in my mid 20's after I was done with college, has ended a 7 year relationship with my ex fiancé and had moved out of my parents house and got my own place (since I was no longer going to be marrying my ex). My friend owned the series on DVD and I watched it. I was always aware that the show is based on a book and the book was loosely based on the writer, Candice Bushnell's, life. So while they were characters they were also grounded in non-fiction. So, if people of your generation insist on analyzing things not of your generation you should at least be more knowledgeable about them. It was simply a show to me. That was not my life and was never going to be my life. I could easily see that Carrie was not a good person and that if I could identify with any of them it would be Charlotte. But it was always just a show and it as never something I looked at to model my life after. No, we did not have Google and KZbin when we were younger or any of the "buzz words" your generation insists on because you insist on labeling everything. That doesn't mean at all though that we were not aware of the very same things as concepts and more often as very real parts of our lives. It is majorly insulting for you to say that "back then" we were just running around completely ignorant and making terrible decisions because we could not consult some KZbin video or Google about every issue we faced in life. We just dealt with the issues!!! We were very aware of what was going on than you very much. I just lived my life and dealt with things, people and situations as they came along. I did just fine without consulting KZbin channels for life advice and I didn't watch a television show and model my life after it. I was very much able to see that none of the women are perfect because real people are also not perfect. I believe there were a lot less "perfect" characters because things were based more in real life as it was rather than today when you seem to base character expectations around what you deem to be "right" and the only acceptable way to be. It wasn't that we didn't see defects or red flags but we also weren't so easily offended and we made our own decisions very much on our own often based on our personal best judgment. We did a lot less analyzing of people and media and judging them/it. I had friends that had many of the issues you are talking about. I knew who was who and what was what with each of my friends. Some I was closer to than others because they were more like me and had values closer to mine. But I also had friends who were the polar opposite of me and they did things and said things that I wouldn't do or say. But I was NOT them and how they acted was their choice. Sometimes, because I cared and if it was very dangerous or important, I would try and advise my friends but mostly I let them be themselves. If they wanted my opinion, I gave it to them but only when they asked usually. If I was very concerned I'd tell them what I thought once and that was it. It was up to them to do what they were going to do. So, we didn't judge each other as much and I know we were not sitting around analyzing old tv shows or the way women of previous generations lived in great detail and passing our judgement on them. WE were not them. We were not there. So, we did not truly know what it was like and we were wise enough to know that we should therefore not judge or concern ourselves with it. Other than very vague things like, wow isn't it great that we CAN get a credit card in our own name and that we can own property these days. We appreciated that the negative things were different but we didn't judge the women who lived during generations prior that did not have many of the rights we had and we just didn't judge their lives in general or analyze them to death. We didn't think about what they should have done or talked about them being less aware and making bad decisions. We respected that they made the best choices they could during the time they lived. The younger generations would do well to have just even a shred of that same respect for the generations prior to theirs. I was very much raised with "If I wanted your opinion, I'd ask for it". We certainly had opinions but we also knew that many times it is actually better to only give those opinions when asked for them. If not, we knew that we could only do the best we could and make the best decisions we could for ourselves based on how we were raised but also on what we wanted and what we felt was right. We often did have differing opinions and wants than our mothers and grandmothers but we didn't very often tell them what WE thought about anything they did or did not do in life. Or the tv shows and books they read. Perhaps, any of you that feel the need to analyze SATC to death might consider seeing if you can interview the author of the book that tv show is based on. Or at least research articles from the past in which the author did speak about her book and the show. You might find that you actually learn a thing or two or that it may inform your analysis. I can say for sure that the new version AJLT is an utter failure compared to it's predecessor. It is because it tries to frame everything to appeal to the current idea of what is correct and acceptable. To jam every insufferable social justice issue under the sun into one tv show and it makes it utterly unwatchable even just for entertainment. So, newer and "better" is not always a good thing.

[@kay6692]

I think it’s funny how u try so hard to be commenting on something but it feels not genuine like u watched 100 ++ videos on that and now u do another one that adds zero value to the topic