The Case Of The DNA Covered Cigarette

[@RedTreeCrime]

I've received a few comments asking for more details on his conviction. As I stated in the video, the ultimate piece of evidence was the DNA but there were a few other things I should have mentioned. After he was interrogated, he made several phone calls from jail that were used as evidence against him. Also, his alibi was proven to be false which did not help his case. Ultimately, it was the cigarette that would lead to his conviction but these other small facts definitely helped push the conviction and should have been added to the video. Thank you for watching and please share your thoughts below.

[@twerkingherkin]

Great job as always!

[@harrani592]

The detective interrogating the suspect was phenomenal work. He did his job all too well and succeeded perfectly. However, your analysis and speculation towards the entire case was even better. 10/10 my friend.

[@aztro.99]

nice video man thx for this

[@danjbro]

Great content!

[@ladymopar2024]

It's just like shell casings, cigarette butts pick them up put them in your pocket

[@contrarian8870]

Telling others that you have $100K in a hidden safe in your home is a very bad idea

[@UrzliBoy]

Especially in the US

[@dannicatzer305]

@@UrzliBoy Anywhere

[@UrzliBoy]

@@dannicatzer305 Sorry. U Right

[@mr.martyr8573]

Clearly.

[@Eye-it-azz]

@@dannicatzer305 Exactly, anywhere. Trust no one especially when it comes to money

[@Tibyon]

I won't say anything without my lawyer So anyway here's my biography

[@madalynlindemann6048]

😂😂😂 right?!

[@bradleypatterson4759]

A good lawyer would have had all this thrown out regardless of innocence or not he asked for a lawyer and they continue to ask questions without a lawyer present ..... He should have kept quiet and had a good defense....only him and God knows the truth

[@robynpelling3260]

I don't know about the us but in Canada, even after you ask for a lawyer, they can continue to ask questions until you get a lawyer, it's up to you not to answer

[@yolandascholten2012]

Every time!

[@waynemcfc9291]

Lol

[@quinnhen2325]

Looked up the trial etc, and there was additional evidence. He made calls from prison and pretty much admitted via his conversations he did it. He needed money, had domestic abuse charges, potential prostitution promotion charges, and had drugs hidden in his house. So, he was lying about many things.

[@JohnnyLaps]

Interesting..makes sense

[@ramkannan9211]

@@JohnnyLaps Doesn't make sense to me! Now that he is incarcerated for the rest of his life, what is the need for him to lie in the Jail Interview?

[@MDCxThePG]

@@ramkannan9211 appeals

[@jca81]

Money. Duh. There wasn't a guilty felon behind bars. We were all innocent.

[@dareonallen9574]

@@ramkannan9211exactly

[@DMR1010]

Here’s what I’ve learned from being a true crime buff, The American judicial system terrifies me on so many levels.

[@mischr13]

seriously.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

The dude who gets sleeve tats at age 13 terrifies me.

[@lodiwish]

As it should....

[@DMR1010]

@@lodiwish no, it should reassure that it’s managed and led with integrity

[@lodiwish]

@@DMR1010 You misunderstood my comment. It was meant as, you should fear because yes it is a collosal mess and nobody is safe from it

[@smhatheworldwelivein]

Why exactly are they taking people's drivers licenses who owe child support? Just for them to not be able to pay the child support because they can't get back and forth to work? Makes a lot of sense Edit: 1,800 likes?! Wow I’m shocked y’all agree!!!!

[@sassysarina9718]

Agreed

[@papagigo1]

Right, that made no sense at all .

[@billmeriwether605]

This guy is using his license to pay for cigarettes not child support does it matter?

[@adamtheede2575]

The USA is stupid that way you have no money you go to jail

[@bltn7469]

Yup that's how it works . They are also putting it on your credit now so it destroys your credit and can't drive and will lock you up for 6 months witch puts you FURTHER behind and even more fucked when you get out. It's the perfect system 👌

[@christina0keefe]

“i wanna get this down again bro… what. are. you. doing”

[@Boutys_mom]

Hahaha... I always skim the comment section while listening to the video & just as I started reading your comment, the detective was saying it! Reading the words while hearing the them, really brought the scene to life! 😂 Thank you for the added punctuation!!

[@nickycigarella805]

🤣

[@astrialindah2773]

Three packs a day?? No wonder the dude couldn't afford child support.. that's a carton of cigarettes every fourth day.. damn 🧐

[@pete5516]

Honestly, I roll but still almost smoke a pack a day and 3 seems impossible. Unless I was up 24 hours, drunk and outside the whole time I wouldn’t even know how to finish 3 packs in a day. And I certainly wouldn’t want to, partly for financial reasons but also because I’m not that desperate to die yet

[@H_A_L_7]

Hence he’s dropping butts everywhere….

[@mr.martyr8573]

Dumb people will spend their last dollar on themselves. Lol

[@Corvid-]

Assuming he sleeps 8 hours a day, 3 packs per day is lighting and finishing a cigarette every 16 minutes. He would basically be smoking a cigarette all day.. Crazy

[@JerseyJersey100]

@@Corvid- my friend’s parents smoked 7 packs/day between the two of them and yea it was a cig in hand at all times. And btw dad would rip down a 30 pack/night and mom a 12 pack….for decades. Walls were brown like tea

[@AnneIglesias]

“So how did my name get brought up?” “Science.” Now there’s a line detectives fantasize about dropping. Great video, RTC.

[@LilithGrey...FromHell]

Lol

[@AuntieTrichome]

🤣🤣🤣

[@pacersnrams781]

That was legendary. A TV show could never

[@MikeMichaels1987]

“So how did my name get brought up?” “Science.” "You mean like aliens and shit?" Now that would be the answer to die for ;-)

[@carrionstorm736]

A plausible reason for a cigarette butt ending up there that had his DNA on it is that homeless people will pick up half cigarettes out of ashtrays or the ground and there's plenty of homeless people in the Toledo area. I'm not saying this guy's guilty or innocent it's not up to me. That's just one scenario where it could happen

[@SoullessGinger1313]

"I tooken care of..." He needs a lot more school than that one semester.

[@illumination101]

I noticed too. He didn't have a basic understanding of DNA, yet claimed he was in Criminal Justice. Smh

[@metalheadbisp]

I totally noticed that one too lol, I tooken care of everything that needed to be tooken care of

[@meemeepalmer4144]

This channel is my new addiction!!! No re-enactments!jus real suspects,real interrogations, n real arrests!!!!

[@karylinvanity2197]

@@meemeepalmer4144 who does interrogation re-enactments??💀that can’t be a thing

[@trj1442]

Another excellent episode. It's great that you cover lesser known cases. I don't know how many times I've seen famous cases eg; Israel Keyes covered by different KZbinrs. Thanks for your content bud.

[@Steve_Dave]

Lol what are you talking about?

[@sweetleaf9668]

Sweet channel, I subbed immediately.

[@DDJJAAYY]

@@Steve_Dave because these “JCS” inspired videos all have the same cases and interviews this channel however covers cases that’s haven’t been seen or not as famous as other case

[@yakutakhanbhai9314]

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[@yakutakhanbhai9314]

@@DDJJAAYY as a.

[@user-bo1hs6vo1f]

police man: "youre sober right" suspect: "yes mam"

[@JohnnyUtah13]

"I'm not going to say anything without my lawyer..." proceeds to talk for 20 min.... These guys are geniuses.

[@jeffcampbell2710]

Even if the guy is innocent? At best, there IQ is 120, and probably lower. It's the rule, no one hired with an IQ over 120 to be a cop.

[@KandeShack]

You can tell they’ve been doing it a long time!

[@ianmangham4570]

They shouldn't proceed because he mentioned a lawyer, very dodgy

[@ianmangham4570]

@@jeffcampbell2710 I have noticed with all these American detective's it's all about a confession without a lawyer present, they aren't very bright, lucky the criminals are even dumber.

[@futeramonfuturamet4830]

Of course the smartest criminals go into politics or law enforcement where they can get away with committing crimes out in the open!

[@rimmymindplease8120]

The detective's "monologue" starting from 20:30 is absolutely masterful. I can listen to this man talk forever.

[@EASTWOOD40]

Facts!!!!

[@darrellcovello7917]

This Detective is one of the best interrogators I've ever seen, and I watch a ton of interrogations. He is a PRO!

[@pete5516]

Seems to me that the older interrogators are more adept at misdirection and not letting on what they’re really there for, especially this guy

[@MSC_33]

I agree

[@melissasue2465]

Darrell.. you may have seen it, but you should watch BlueDot Nathaniel Shimmel interrogation. I watched it last night... best Detective I have ever seen. All by himself. It's long, but I promise, worth watching. He is six detectives in one. Amazing to watch.

[@lisahughes8779]

@@melissasue2465 I agree. Also one of the most fascinating cases I’ve ever seen.

[@phrike7588]

They're good, but probably best in the sense of "just f*ing arrest me already so i don't have to hear you guys explain the same things in 100 different ways!"

[@slim5575]

Wow...how could a jury say there was no doubt when there was 2 separate DNA strands belonging to 2 people on the cigarette.

[@slim5575]

@@tannerjasperson Thank you, that was very informative. I can understand the outcome now.

[@lisalavigne8146]

@@tannerjasperson um just a thought u ever thought about start a true crime channel. U would do well just s thought and ty for that information by the way I gotta go look this trial up now lol

[@CrabLadius]

@@tannerjasperson In the US, you cannot be tried again for a case you have been declared innocent on. It’s called Double Jeopardy, and it’s why the Prosecution and Police attempts to get as much evidence as possible before the case even goes to court. It exists as a checks and balances system, but unfortunately, every so often a case like this happens where justice doesn’t win.

[@allenelswick6961]

Both men had criminal records and most likely each one's DNA was in a data base. I am sure this how both men were exposed by running a check through the data base. I am going to say the cigarette butt was dropped by accident by one of the two men.

[@johng4093]

I'm sure it's not easy having everyone know you're in your 20s and still sleep with your mother. 😮

[@wilzzuu]

if this doesn't tell you that smoking is bad, nothing will

[@ContactsNfilters]

😂 you're right, but I think that there's a few times in my life that it would been better to go outside and smoke a cigarette and cool off. Counting to ten wasn't working. I should've at least been on some kind of psychiatric medication, but if it's the wrong one for you it can make things worse.

[@contrarian8870]

Before revealing the DNA, the cop should've figured out what cigs he likes to smoke to compare to the the cig butt

[@monalisa-bs4zs]

U and the others that gave this the thumbs up are dumb af. And no I will not attempt to reason with u as to why I know that is.

[@flossin5025]

The cop is just looking for enough evidence to convict him innocent or not

[@andlinnpalenkova2637]

@@monalisa-bs4zs I know lol .

[@hollywoodhiggins1576]

They already had him

[@bentonrp]

His DNA is on the cigarrette!; We don't need to know "what brand he likes!"

[@fiscolorado656]

I wanna know why I'm here and I'm going to wait for my lawyer. Also while I'm waiting I'm going to answer a million questions.

[@vegomatic100]

It's ironic how the detectives claim DNA is the smoking gun, But when they find the other guy's DNA on the cigarette too he gets off for insufficient evidence.

[@themeantuber]

That other guy may have just picked up a random cigarette butt in the street and threw it there to incriminate someone else. Of course his DNA would appear as "non sufficient." That should have been the smoking gun.

[@crochunter35]

Are you sure you know the definition of ironic?

[@vegomatic100]

@@crochunter35 "They made a contradicting statement...". Better?🙄

[@futeramonfuturamet4830]

Get it? The SMOKING gun!

[@futeramonfuturamet4830]

🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬

[@Angelcynn_]

For some context here. I knew Lisa and Johnny. I also went to school with and knew 2 of the people mentioned in the interrogation. Chris and Tony Watson. They were, and one still is, two of the sleaziest pos's you could imagine. Tony was murdered in an apartment complex parking lot a couple years ago over drugs. And Chris and another guy involved in the case, Zack Burkett, are currently extorting some poor guy to let them live at his house and sell heroin and prostitutes out of his home. The guy's dad died and he inherited his house . Chris and Zack use violence and intimidation on him to force him to let them turn his house into a flop house. These are the kind of people these are. Tony, Zack, and Cameo Pettaway knew Johnny. Cameo was linked with dna and Tony and Zack were also interrogated by the cops. At the very least Tony, Zack, and Cameo set Johnny and Lisa up to be robbed. They tried to frame Sam Williams and it worked. Sam was on the Eastside at the time of the murders, verified through his phone GPS and witnesses. The Eastside of Toledo is 30-40 minutes away from the Straub home and there's no way he could go commit that crime and be back at the bar he was at in the time frame they said. They also found unknown dna on the duct tape Johnny and Lisa were bound with. They still haven't found the person whose dna that is. Sam is innocent and the people directly or indirectly responsible are free right now. Everybody that knows the people involved in this case know who did it. But the cops in Toledo have no interest in reinvestigating to find out the truth.

[@sassysarina9718]

🤔🤔🤔

[@BURRfield20]

That’s infuriating I’m sorry for your loss man

[@jessiefrye3045]

Cool, calm , logic, facts and history. I believe you.

[@shilde]

This makes me so sick to my stomach to read 😩 I believe you and it’s clear this case deserves more thorough investigating.

[@kt114]

Damn

[@cw6621]

What if that was packed in the house in someone's shoe? It kinda freaks me out to think that could happen. I dont mean I think this particular guy is innocent, but after learning about transfer DNA, it scares the bejeezus out of me that someone could pack my cells to a crime scene and I get accused and even convicted based on that DNA.

[@MirandaSinistra]

Thing is, I feel like unless the prosecutor is super crooked they're gonna try to find more than just DNA to convict someone. Means, motive, opportunity. If they find your DNA at a crime scene in Medellin, Mexico but you've never set foot in Mexico they're gonna have a hard time believing you're the murderer.

[@ChunkOcoal]

@@Rubytheblueeyedwolf Colombia not Columbia

[@H_A_L_7]

He smokes 3 packet of cigarettes a day. Is that butt same brand? His whereabouts when the murders took place….did that other guy, went to his home and took his butts and than went off to commit a crime whilst smoking butts? Do people smoke butts or do they roll it up? Overall with his final interview….I would like to know more about the second dna….was he sharing the cig with his partner in crime? Why was the guy let go without any charges?…. I think he’s guilty.

[@JeannieLorene]

I completely agree! It's terrifying. What if he was on the other side of town and ol dude asked for a cigarette so he gave him one he was about to light up... then this happens! OR back in my druggie days i would take cig butts that i would find, half smoked. Then smoke them myself:/ I think the wrong guy got imprisoned. So if you want to frame someone, just get their cig butt, or empty drink, or something and leave it at the scene :/

[@caliindoor]

​@Cinde Poore-Murphy Cindelaine... you should be nice. Karma has a way of protecting "the fools".

[@myronmcgains9925]

Thought it was really interesting how the victim went by “Johnny.” And when they asked the suspect if he knew “John” he replied “I don’t know Johnny.”

[@AVspectre]

Interesting observation

[@yemen6244]

Both detectives referred to johnny as "johnny" and he (the suspect) only replied with "nope" At the 7 minute mark.

[@markohernandez8044]

He first asked if he knew johnny clark. He said nope. Detective followed with u dont know john clark? He said nope after he asked the chicks name, samn then says no i dont know johhny or lis. Think u hesrd it wrong.

[@slaiyyer]

Detective says Johnny more than John.

[@bentonrp]

I also thought it was interesting that when they show him a picture of the house, he says, "I dunno what's in that safe! Don't know about no $100,000!"

[@noahwyatt23]

And another story I haven’t heard before. Well done Red Tree Crime!

[@shyalee3158]

This channel is better than anything on TV right now. Please carry on.

[@SAMEntalhealth]

"Idk Lisa Slob" Detective: "Slav" 😅😅😅😅

[@adiadv10]

I heard the 911 call from the male victim’s mother just a few days ago. It was gut-wrenching, and has been on my mind ever since. Thanks for posting this.

[@yummycookie3429]

Where?

[@lindsayburns1377]

Reading some of these comments about the possibility of any random person smoking his leftover cigarette butt, combined with the fact someone else's DNA was ALSO found on that butt...... Idk enough to affirmatively say guilty or innocent, but what I WILL say is I personally believe just those two things alone raise enough reasonable doubt. I mean... Casey Anthony got acquitted ffs, but not this guy?!? Just sayin'.

[@roseaduke8835]

You're comparing a well-paid private lawyer with a court-appointed one

[@lindsayburns1377]

@@roseaduke8835 very true!

[@moshunit96]

Obviously the jury saw more than just that.

[@lindsayburns1377]

@@moshunit96 no shit. Which is why I said Idk enough to say affirmatively one way or another.

[@andlinnpalenkova2637]

@Christopher Meisner for murder crimes ?

[@kendal_whoever]

THREE PACKS A DAY?! Ugggh! I’m not surprised or anything… I used to be a smoker too. But holy heck it was even spendy back then… couldn’t imagine now.

[@toldyaso13]

If that cigarette had 2 peoples DNA on it, I can totally see how that could happen. I'm a smoker, I only ever smoke half a cigarette at a time, I always have my son or my brother or one of their friends grab the other half of my cigarette out of the ashtray and take it with them, usually tucked over their ear and smoke it later. So my DNA could end up at a crime scene without me ever being there.

[@JesusIsAlphaOmega001]

Quit doing that crap. I can smell you from here.

[@emanuelmma223]

The other guy could have placed the cigarette there

[@sheend]

Ew lol

[@NicoLaffey]

Way to ruin your son's lungs

[@billmeriwether605]

That is a wonderful Mom and sister …..”Hey you guys come root these half/smokes outta my ashtray …..there’s still some smokin’ ta do…

[@DancingSk3L3tons]

Wow, this is a tough one. I don't know if he did it or not o.O, I was a smoker for over 15 yrs, now I personally couldn't see myself lighting up a cigarette IN the house right after /during the murders no less leaving more evidence there, doesn't mean he's not dumb enough to. It does seem real sketchy though, like if I were going to try and frame someone for a crime... Leaving behind some DNA of someone else is a damn good way to go about it.

[@jessethecomet]

The fact he's so calm with the fact he's being accused of a double murder is immediately a red flag.

[@angelawatson1594]

How did you manage to successfully quit?

[@DancingSk3L3tons]

@@angelawatson1594 I didn't :( I use a vape now, one every few days or so, it's not ideal but much I feel ALOT better health wise than when I was a pack a day.

[@chrisrath6042]

I'm sure if I smoked 3 packs a day, I would have left more than just one cigarette butt there. It just doesn't seem right. Only one butt with others dna. 🤔

[@Vaga-Bard]

@@chrisrath6042 I thought the same thing.

[@mollyhoisington7230]

Wow🤩 amazing interrogation.,! Great content as usual! Thx for the upload 💝

[@JJbIrd0608]

Literally watching everything you've posted today and then I see this. You're making being sick a little easier. Thank you.

[@RedTreeCrime]

Hope you feel better

[@MultiMoo20]

Feel better soon ❤️🙏🏼❤️

[@MSC_33]

Feel better!

[@drummersnare6276]

Let me guess you think you got the imaginary covid

[@lisalynnmarie2448]

@@drummersnare6276 Shut up man. He could have also had surgery and not feel well, autoimmune disease (do you even know what ones are autoimmune?) The person may even be a woman who may be pregnant and feels sick. You always show how irrelevant you guys are.

[@melaniemunro6696]

That detectives speech about asking for help was so good I almost confessed

[@danieldemayo6209]

The detective off screen is killing it. It didn’t work but still a great job trying to rationalize with the guy. It’s almost hypnotizing.

[@rynoX88]

Damn JCS is getting so much love. He single handedly made a new genre of true crime.

[@Gwentheferret]

Yeah, because shows like this haven't been on TV forever.

[@crypticraps]

@@Gwentheferret JCS breaks down the psychology to an extent I've never seen on any true crime TV show

[@flowerpower3618]

@@crypticrapswhat is JCS

[@crypticraps]

@@flowerpower3618 Jim Can't Swim youtube channel. They also have a patreon. They break down true crime and interrogation videos on a deep level lol

[@Maiden_to_mother]

The stories I’ve never seen before are like finding a needle in a haystack! I could binge on this content forever. It’s so interesting, and you really REALLY learn how to read people while observing these professionals working their magic. We truly are so easy to unravel and decode.

[@scottthepainter1984]

They almost always "unravel" What amazes me is how many think they can outsmart the cops. One lie and the cops are on it like a duck on a june bug

[@ParasiteEvel]

maybe some people are but not every human. Most are dumb enough to think murder will solve their issues so that doesnt really set a good record, if the dude actually shut up and waited for a lawyer, a good one couldve got him off or close to getting off. "the cig butt was because i knew them" but since he opened his big mouth he dug a deeper hole.

[@Anticipat0r]

u need to get a life

[@brookemckinley5709]

I know!! I’m obsessed with true crime, especially interrogations

[@bobbybanks77]

Most folks are just mindless meat bots in todays age, that is why. The IQ level of today's people is so much lower than ever.

[@denisenunya7054]

A man sitting next to the store yesterday asked me for a smoke, I was going to go in so instead of stepping on my cigarette I gave it to the man. What if he killed someone and dropped the butt? Now maybe he killed a stranger but it was someone I knew? If it had 2 sets of DNA and he looked innocent I’d be the one going to jail. If I told the truth they may assume I was making up a story to fit my narrative. This story really freaks me out!

[@livinforjesus2659]

That's why you should wuit smoking, bc it could lead to jail

[@wrenboy2726]

They have to establish motive and you’d likely have an alibi. Yes, you could incriminate all kinds of people (and easily) by doing something like you mentioned, but it wouldn’t hold up. That’s why you plant evidence on someone with a strong motive. Only one won’t do the trick.

[@imetators]

They would focus on a homeless guy since you had no criminal record and motive while homeless guy who finished your cig might have a motive to kill someone. Also you have an alibi. You're off the hook

[@boxingwaffle]

@@imetators that’s not the point, he’s showing why the cigarette is insignificant evidence alone.

[@kaimojepaslt]

stop dreaming so much

[@_HimToo]

They showed him a pic of the murder house and asked if he knew the victims... so how would he not know why he's there?

[@Mandapanda.]

Maybe he thought someone he knew was involved instead of himself

[@user-bo1hs6vo1f]

@@Mandapanda. right or he could have seen something

[@manden7510]

I'm not saying he is definitely innocent, but I do not think he should have been convicted in this case

[@sheilaboston7051]

I feel the same, so went and watched his one-hour interview with a reporter and that moved the needle for me. He's done some not-so-good stuff in his life but I'm pretty sure murder isn't included. An important thing was that he was supposedly at a club that night, made/received heaps of texts/calls and all the pings confirmed it. However, it seems that a couple of snitches wanted to get out of jail early ... I hope it's looked into more.

[@ShadowOfaRainbow369]

Planting cigarette butts to throw forensic detectives off

[@melancholyflowers7355]

This channel has super interesting and wildly insane content. Really great narration skills and explanations. Thank you!

[@px4sd477]

I could not convict someone based on a cigarette butt left on the scene. It could so easily be planted or even carried in by the treads of someone’s shoe. I would need a lot more evidence.

[@merryhunt9153]

For one thing, a cigarette butt caught in a shoe would be dirty and squashed.

[@burleman]

Not to mention that the butt in question had two sets of DNA on it. That means that someone else clearly handled the butt. And there is your reasonable doubt. I’m not saying he’s innocent, just that they didn’t have enough for a conviction.

[@andymore62]

It's not just the cigarette butt. It's the fact that he has no credible story as to why that cigarette butt was there. He says he wasn't in the area, and did not know the people. Add that to the fact that he was a career criminal, and it's pretty easy to convict him.

[@kaimojepaslt]

its fucking simple like that, they both were there and shared 1 cig, many buddies do that when they have 1 left.

[@angelaburroughs4584]

@@merryhunt9153 😂😂 right

[@cameronross4140]

Awesome video, very well put together and explained. My new favorite channel!

[@phrike7588]

This is a tough one. I mean, he doesn't seem very bright, but leaving a cigarette butt at the crime scene? Since he's a big smoker and probably never done anything like this before, it's possible that he broke down, calmed himself with a smoke and didn't think. Also his reaction is very unnatural. I would've gone mental if i was accused of double murder.

[@andlinnpalenkova2637]

I don't think this is even concidered evidence at all. Just a cig at a crime scene?! With two DNA on it???

[@jeffcampbell2710]

And only one butt? I smoke like that, and in 30 minutes I've smoked 2-3 cigs.

[@yolandascholten2012]

The minute they said ‘2 bodies in that house’ he should have lawyered up!

[@Rae_777]

I can’t be sure, but I can imagine myself having a “freeze” response instead of a “fight” response, especially if I was confused and the accusation felt like it was totally out of left field. I could be kind of stunned and at a loss for wtf to even say. My gut instinct is that Sam could very well be guilty, just given how comfortable he is with criminal activity in general, but it’s impossible to say without seeing the circumstantial evidence.

[@user-bo1hs6vo1f]

@@yolandascholten2012 right which also makes me think he didn't do it. he has been through this song and dance beforehand. He probably would have lawyered up immediately if he did it

[@masturchief]

Two men's DNA on the same cigarette. One gets the case thrown out, the other gets life. American legal system working as intended

[@jeffcampbell2710]

I was looking for this. How does that happen? If that butt is all you have, that's not enough. It's possible that an item was bought, sold, brought there, butt was stuck in a box. I do think it's possible for some strange occurrence to happen. If I was on a jury, I would not convict on this alone. There is too much faith out on DNA. The same is done in Polygraph, and they used to hail bite marks, which is no longer allowed. I'm wondering if one day, DNA will be proven to be a big hoax.

[@nicholassloman6643]

@@jeffcampbell2710 If DNA is a hoax then our entire understanding of genetics is a hoax

[@korseygorle955]

@@jeffcampbell2710 Shitty lawyers, shitty criminals. One had an alibi. One didn't. One was more believable to a jury. You want someone to be mad at? It's one's own peers.

[@gjtrue]

@@jeffcampbell2710 Likely will someday. I can certainly say Polygraphs is something I'm extremely cautious of and refused to take at face value.

[@jedross2136]

@@jeffcampbell2710 The polygraph machine isn't really a hoax though. It's a useless machine for determining truthfulness but it reads your heart rate and stuff just like it was designed to do.

[@matthewhall9692]

Kind of silly to suggest he didn't know why he was there after they started off asking him if he knew the two deceased... Especially if he is the culprit.

[@lindsayburns1377]

While I do agree, for the sake of argument it's not entirely silly to suggest that if he's innocent. I'm NOT saying I think this dude is innocent, lol- just pointing out if he truly had no clue who these people were then it isn't that crazy of a suggestion that he doesn't know why he's there.

[@matthewhall9692]

@@lindsayburns1377 I realized that after I made this comment. I guess I was expecting some damning evidence to come forward later in the video making it clear he knew what was up. With that said, unless major details are missing from this video, this one has me concerned an innocent man may be in prison. A cigarette butt with his DNA on it is hardly strong enough evidence to defeat reasonable suspicion.

[@lindsayburns1377]

@@matthewhall9692 I completely agree!!! After watching the video entirely, I feel like the possibility that cigarette butt could've been picked up & smoked by anyone, along with it actually containing someone else's DNA mixed w/his- is at the very least reasonable doubt, imo!!! Idk 100% if he's guilty or innocent, but I do know if I had been on that jury I wouldn't have been able to convict him.

[@matthewhall9692]

@@lindsayburns1377 Exactly... I have never served on a jury but if I use the interactions and discussions I have had with people online about criminal justice, legal matters and the nature of evidence as a basis then I would feel quite justified to believe that juries get it wrong more than anyone would like to think. It also doesn't help that far too often detectives operate with the dangerous combination of zealousness and being narrow-minded which leads to them looking for someone they can fit the evidence to rather than finding the actual perpetrator.

[@ugaais]

Great detectives being able to make the suspect relate to them….excellent work sirs..

[@matthewhall9692]

There's obviously much more to this that wasn't mentioned here. If a cigarette butt is all they have and it has two DNA profiles on it why was one of them acquitted and the other sentenced life. Makes no sense.

[@nwicconsultants6640]

Matthew Hall: Totally agree, there has to be MORE to this story than a mixed batch of dna on one cigarette butt. If that is the case for sentencing a guy for murder.....we are all in a lot of trouble!

[@CoExist64]

@@nwicconsultants6640 which is the very reason many are against the death penalty. Yes there are crimes committed where the person deserves it, but when you see situations like this which cause you to question things, imagine someone getting the death penalty because of it. Personally my only concern is I don’t want to see innocent people put to death.

[@andlinnpalenkova2637]

@@CoExist64 or go to jail for life. Which is worse .

[@vikingmindset11]

@@andlinnpalenkova2637 d.p

[@mummistheword]

I don’t care what anybody says if this dude wasn’t poor, he would not be incarcerated right now. A cigarette with two different peoples DNA on it? A decent attorney would’ve laughed in the prosecutors face

[@kentuckyblugrass]

The "How to quit smoking" Ad we've always needed.

[@Larissabepressed]

That was some excellent detective work! Another great, high quality video...thank you!

[@andlinnpalenkova2637]

Excellent detective work? They literally didn't get shit

[@andlinnpalenkova2637]

The jury and anyone who thinks this guy should have been convicted for this ... And they r nuts, is not Excellent

[@salis-salis]

while all other channels w this kind of content are going downhill, you guys keep it 100!

[@america_is_a_myth]

3 packs a day??😳 Yeesh!! I’m a smoker but C’MON man!!

[@victoriawilliams2786]

Field stripping your cigarette butts and automatically sticking them in your pocket/purse is akin to putting your shopping cart where it belongs on a regular basis. I know it's a small, menial job but imo it does tend to reflect on weather or not you care about your environment and those around you. Someone mentioned that maybe a stranger picked a few butts out of an ashtray and dropped one at the crime scene. I would argue that the suspect doesn't care enough about others enough to worry about looking for someplace to throw his cigarette butts.

[@lisahughes8779]

As a smoker, I couldn’t agree with you more. The grocery cart analogy is perfect. I hate when young, able bodied people just leave their carts and especially if they just shove them not caring if it hits a car or a person or whatever.

[@victoriawilliams2786]

Ikr? I live alone but I go outside to smoke and always use my ashtray. My cat doesn't need to breathe second hand smoke. I don't want the birds/squirrels I feed to have cigarette butts get accidentally around their food. I saw a video one day of a seagull feeding its baby a cigarette butt and I'm still pissed about it. Needless to say I don't litter, especially butts. I hope your day/night is going well! ✌😎🤘

[@drummersnare6276]

That’s not a good comparison. There are ways to dispose of cigarettes other than throwing them on the ground. It’s not the same thing

[@victoriawilliams2786]

@@drummersnare6276 What do you do with your cigarette butts that's so "different"?

[@drummersnare6276]

@@victoriawilliams2786 I either put them out in a designated public ashtray on most trash cans outside of business, or I usually put them in a Red Bull can when I smoke in my car.

[@KeyzTwinnySe7en]

Smart move for a criminal can be taken from this. Go to a bar in a pretty bad area, get a cig butt or 2, leave them at your crime scene & hope for the best! lol

[@88Doug]

Also, avoid bars and avoid smoking! The world is the stage, have fun, be safe.

[@jamesduncan6729]

@@88Doug no, you SHOULD go to bars and smoke. You only live once, have as much fun as you can

[@TheBasedTyrant]

Honestly if I was on the jury and he just said "I killed her because I couldn't afford to pay child support and was going to lose everything including my freedom." I would just say "Understandable, have a nice day." And vote not guilty. Child support is such an egregious injustice that even murder is a totally justifiable solution. If you don't have custody of your kids, you shouldn't have any responsibility to support them financially anymore, and the fact that you can even be imprisoned for it, there is essentially no difference in consequences for murder and only a flimsy moral argument, but if you can be released of your unjust responsibility then the beneficiary of your slave labor is hardly innocent.

[@flowerpower3618]

You must not love your children .

[@TheBasedTyrant]

@@flowerpower3618 I don't have children, but if I did I wouldn't be happy about having them be taken away and then having to pay the woman who thinks she is better off raising them on her own. If you want to be a single parent so bad that you fight for sole custody then you should accept sole responsibility as well.

[@VANE2648]

I LOVE your channel ❤ Once video a week isn't enough 😩

[@Ilove2teach52]

Your story telling and the time you put into your videos is top tier level.

[@vincedidiana5781]

@Latisha is GA peach sweet. Latisha is GA peach beautiful as well.

[@Ilove2teach52]

@@vincedidiana5781 Thank you

[@supposedhumanmars]

"I didn't do nothin'" The battle cry of criminals everywhere.

[@TheLeadSled]

First off I've never understood why anyone would go into an interrogation room and try to talk their way out of whatever crime they committed. They clearly tell you in your Miranda Rights that they will use anything you say against you in a court of law, and yet they still sign the paper and then they begin sending themselves right to jail. I would like to add I do enjoy watching them try to talk their way out of it, so for that it is enjoyable seeing them caught

[@jheanelltabana8713]

Probably the same reason they commit the crimes they do and think they'll get away.

[@crochunter35]

They, erroneously, feel that asking for a lawyer makes them look guilty.

[@merryhunt9153]

Most criminals are not intelligent, and they overestimate their intelligence. They think they can talk their way out of it.

[@noahgarcia3586]

Funny thing is he said he wanted his lawyer and they kept questioning him. A good lawyer would’ve had so much of the evidence thrown out and gotten him a plea deal.

[@johng4093]

It's like the guy at the car dealer who says he's just looking but actually wants to be talked into buying a new car. Having the guilt hanging over you all your life is hard on some people. Not all, but some.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

If two people's DNA was on the cigarette, it could have been only one of them smoking a butt the other had left. I hope that wasn't the only incriminating evidence.

[@alanluscombe8a553]

The way that detective broke down life problems and this being the biggest day of his life had to have hit him hard. I look back at being 24 and if some old man had said that to me about a situation it would have hit home for sure.

[@MarkJosephGuitar]

Good stuff Red Tree, creepin towards my fav channel!

[@cyberhype5495]

Here is what happened: Some punks who set up & did the double murder got a little bit smart and dropped this guy Sam's cigarette butt at the scene to frame him.... cigarette butt was left inside the house to preserve DNA and make to sure it was found... its absolutely crazy how easy it is to frame someone.

[@RR-bd4jp]

Only they said he made phone calls from jail as well giving more information as well....yet we do not know what was said to implicate himself further

[@themeantuber]

They may have picked up a random cigarette butt in the street or even a particular person's cigarette butt. Of course their DNA would appear as secondary.

[@NovaSixx]

Really wild how easy you can fuck someone with a criminal record. Grab a smoke from their house and drop it in a crime scene. Not saying that's the case here but that's scary shit to think about.

[@NovaSixx]

It would really only work on someone with a criminal record. These detectives don't have everyone's DNA on record. Only people that have been in and out of the system.

[@supersport22]

Just to play devils advocate, a random used cigarette could be planted by a criminal to throw investigators off.

[@vongillan]

Cigarette butts blow in the wind sometimes people flick them out the window when they drive by a house and then someone steps on it and it sticks to their shoe and they carry it in the house I've seen cigarette butts in my car that have gotten there from the bottom of my shoe I couldn't easily carry it in to a friend of mine's house from across town you need more evidence than that

[@jeffday6551]

Having looked into this case quite a bit, I don't know how the dna on cigarette filter got there, however multiple people agreed he couldn't have been there that night and had no incentive to lie, infact it was to there disadvantage to alibi him. Strange case

[@dylan4652]

Do they have any other leads or a suspect?

[@kaimojepaslt]

they both were there and shared a cig. simple fucking answer, 1 person wouldnt take out 2 people.

[@jay_ayala]

I don’t know the whole story, but if they found someone else’s dna on a cigarette wouldn’t it be safe to assume someone picked up a used cigarette from the street and smoked it themselves

[@rayannecurry5794]

This is what I was thinking too. That is totally not enough evidence to charge somebody for life , especially just one of then

[@rayannecurry5794]

Them*

[@Mar-vj6un]

Great point... I'm a smoker ,,

[@meliss9536]

Maybe one is just transfer/touch dna which gets passed around very easily based on studies. (Like kohberger in the Idaho case)

[@BorgNamedHugh]

The second they asked him those names and showed him the photo of the house he knew what was up

[@huskitaloves8654]

Seeing JCS inspired makes me so sad now. Thanks Red Tree for keeping the inspiration alive 🙏

[@dejachhun338]

Yea. Sad Jim took down the channel.

[@paulthompkins4150]

I know this is probably a stupid question. But what does "JCS inspired" mean?

[@huskitaloves8654]

@@paulthompkins4150 search for JCS and you'll find the channel on KZbin. They pioneered this kind of format. There are lots of JCS inspired channels now but JCS are no longer uploading.

[@paulthompkins4150]

@@huskitaloves8654 Thank you

[@huskitaloves8654]

@@paulthompkins4150 👍🏻I'm a little jealous that you'll be discovering that gem! Unfortunately, some of the best videos have been removed by KZbin, but highly recommend the Dalia Dippolito and Casey Anthony ones!

[@jayhenderson2683]

Damn. Sometimes I'm so deep into these vids. That I want to confess. LOL

[@realdeal2283]

I know how hard you are working to give us this excellent content, you're doing a great job and I am truly grateful for your hard work and dedication! Keep it up my friend

[@mummistheword]

I am not speaking to police without a lawyer if I am 100% innocent. The amount of people that know they are guilty and still talk to the police without an attorney is incomprehensible.

[@IamWhoIam2023]

Wooow these detectives are masters

[@danp1471]

I would have liked to see more information regarding this case included in the video. Although I don't really know what other info is available. It's just crazy to think this guy was found guilty based off of a single cigarette butt that had more than one DNA profile on it. I'm sure there was more evidence shown in court it just would have been nice to hear a little more about it here.

[@kaimojepaslt]

they were both there and shared 1 cig. what is so hard 2 comprehend? jez

[@danp1471]

@@kaimojepasltuh yeah people share cigarettes all the time thats not my issue. I'm a smoker & have done it plenty. My comment was about how they could convict someone of murder simply because there was a single cigarette butt on scene with his DNA ESPECIALLY when there's someone else's DNA on it as well. I now see the pinned comment has added a little more info on what was used to convict him. Not sure why you thought I was confused about why or how two different DNA samples could possibly be on one cig though.

[@bunkle932]

Actually there is very little evidence at all. I was wondering the same thing and went looking. Turns out Sam Williams spent the night of the murder in a bar watching the NFL Pro Bowl with a room full of several independent witnesses. There is also cell tower data to prove that he had made calls that put him 20-30min drive away from the scene of the murder, at the time of death, appx 10:41pm, 1/30/2011 Williams was in the bar. Some of this information was obtained by these same detectives you see here, on the same exact night they interviewed Williams. Sam Williams was convicted and sentenced to life without parole and is currently serving the rest of his life for a crime he somehow committed while he also sat in a bar miles away, with cell data to prove it.

[@justlucky8254]

@@danp1471 the cigarette butt is interesting. Yes, people share cigarettes. Likewise, some people take partial butts from ashtrays. That's one way to get 2 dna profiles on a single butt from two people who've never met. Also, people will share a smoke and one will put it out with part of it left and then smoke it later on and quite possibly somewhere else. Anybody can sit in front of a business with big ashtrays and see people look thru them for partial smokes.

[@danp1471]

@@bunkle932 very interesting. Now I want to seek out the info on this case even more. That's crazy & a grave injustice if what you said ead is true.

[@RustedDunn]

They let the other guy go because DNA on the cigarette wasn't enough evidence. But the same cigarette was the only evidence used to convict this guy? Was there something I missed?

[@thepirat000]

yeah.. good lawyer vs cheap lawyer

[@nicolebateman201]

I love your channel and I look forward to your new videos. You don't do a great job making sure all details of the story are 100% accurate. Thank you for another awesome video!!!!

[@chirara1071]

Here’s a crazy thought but what if he is actually innocent… like what if he put a cig out in an ashtray at a gas station, then the second person’s that dna was found, picked the ciggy out of the tray & smoked it at the crime scene. Like homeboy knew he was about to go into a “bum rush” so he grabbed a couple butts out of the gas station ashtray before beginning the deed… I should be a lawyer, ik

[@kristinb5429]

I thought the same way also I smoke cigarettes and a lot of strangers at gas stations will say “will you short me” which means your cigarette is already 3 quarters of the way finished will you let them have the last couple of hits. I’ve shorted thousands of people now I don’t want to. Lol I’d be horrified if that happened to me.

[@Somegirl811]

But there was an second set of DNA on the cigarette.

[@Somegirl811]

I've picked up half smoked cigarettes and smoked them, and I've left half smoked cigarettes outside of gas stations and all kinds of places. Seems iffy to me.

[@dannishoemake731]

@@kristinb5429 Or, if he flicked a butt on the ground and it got caught in the suspects shoe groove and it came loose during the commotion/struggle. Reasonable doubt.. I've tracked things in my house from the bottom of my shoes.

[@handmade-everything9528]

Cigarette seems like it was too perfect how is there absolutely no other anything at all but the cigarette right there to be seen I don’t know just seems a little fishy

[@Ispyletsseewhoshere]

Me & my mom just bought this house on broaden st . What he actually means is his Mother bought the house

[@NatalieFromCA]

I have done a ton of research on this case and I honestly don’t believe he is guilty.. He was on the other side of town at a bar while the murders would have been taking place.

[@SphenForTheWin]

Was going to say, a cigarette butt is not as solid a piece of evidence as we think. Super easily manipulated, even accidentally

[@JK-xt7ro]

He must have very strong fingers if he can flick a cigarette from the other side of town into a house..

[@H_A_L_7]

@@tannerjasperson Which document are you reading? The trial? Have you got a link…thanks

[@jenjen462]

Who leaves no evidence but smokes while in the house and leaves a perfectly placed cig in the corner? Nah. Probably the real killer picked it up and planted it. This guy doesn't seem that dumb to me. I think he was just in shock, knowing how the justice system works and wondering how the hell he just ended up a prime suspect in a double murder.

[@H_A_L_7]

@@jenjen462 No He’s working out what it could have been, as he wears gloves. Look at that butt carefully…the state of that butt looks like…someone smoke a cigarette and put it away in his pocket but it fell out…when he was exiting the home. The butt does not look like it’s been in a pocket too long. Do a screenshot freeze frame and expand it. Or when he put the butt in his pocket, it dropped and in his hyper state he’s not aware. The other day I thought I had slip my purse into my handbag side pocket..it completely missed and fell down to the floor. Luckily I was in a queue and it’s my turn…I was getting ready…hence I moved it to side pocket…the lady behind me pick it up and hand it to me. If she had kept it I wouldn’t have seen it as I had moved forward with my trolley leaving behind my purse exactly where it dropped.

[@allhaildrewcifer9541]

Holy fucking shit!!!!! He smokes 3 packs a day!?!? That's insane. I am a former smoker of a pack a day. 3 packs is seriously crazy

[@chrissiec5810]

ikr 😳 that’s a cigarette about every 25min ...and that’s if he never sleeps lol...

[@jonbarker92]

I think that's the least of his problems

[@cva-x5e]

@@chrissiec5810 someone doesn't know basic math...

[@Wafflez427]

As an Identical twin I can tell you that saying that there are no 2 same DNA sequences is highly false. In fact my sister and I are identical in every way, including our DNA…and the only thing that is different are our fingerprints. Same thing goes for my identical twin sons, and if they should just so happen to hook up with the same girl and she becomes pregnant, They would BOTH be the father, with no way of being able to identify which one it is because, again…identical twos or any identical multiples share the exact same DNA.

[@beanstocks5782]

I don’t think that is what he meant. He wasn’t thinking about twins

[@carolynslist6118]

I sure do love these kinds of videos, but I’m sure they’re really helpful to murderers, too. The interrogators do a phenomenal job tricking suspects.

[@AndySalinger33]

Well done, Red Tree Crime. Excellent narration and editing.

[@VANE2648]

Noticed that after he said he wasn't going to talk & wanted a lawyer, they keep on with the interrogation, which isn't lawful. No clue if he did it, but that fact needs to be addressed.

[@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826]

There you go, you've addressed it. Do you feel better now about the parts of yourself you see in him?

[@VANE2648]

@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 As an investigator, I noticed it immediately.

[@liamhf]

you’re still allowed to ask questions, they don’t have to answer???

[@rrg69able]

@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 can't accept other people's opinions? You got triggered by his opinion.

[@tysupreme5563]

He said he wanted to hear what they had to say, and he willingly stayed and talked to them. I doubt your an ‘investigator’

[@madmattdigs9518]

I would like to think there was more evidence against this guy, besides the cigarette butt at the crime scene. Something… As damming as DNA is, I just think there would have to be a little more. It makes me wonder what came up during the trial for this crime. I’m sure they didn’t spend the entire time talking about a lone cigarette butt.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

I can see both sides. 1) The guy's an obvious dirtbag with a violent history and could be capable of committing a violent crime. Couple that with DNA and it's preeeety unlikely that it "just happened" to be his DNA at the crime scene. 2) The guy's talking about "tell me what I'm in here for and then lawyer." But he doesn't stop talking as soon as they tell him there's a couple of bodies they're laying at his feet. He is a veteran of the criminal justice system and this isn't his first interrogation. However, it could be that he's stupid and the detectives are good at their job by getting him talking at length prior to hitting him with a murder rap. Innocent people tend to vehemently protest their innocence when confronted with such a heavy accusation. Based on this video, I think he's guilty. I wasn't at the trial though. And if he had a high-priced lawyer defending him, maybe the outcome would be different.

[@madmattdigs9518]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 I agree with you. I also believe he’s guilty, based on everything I saw in the video. His behavior during the interrogation was very telling. I was just curious about what else there was. I figured there had to be more evidence brought up at trial.

[@madmattdigs9518]

@@tannerjasperson Thanks for your detailed description. It’s unfortunate the other guys involved are walking free. 2 young people lost their lives. For nothing…

[@TSD438]

I hate thieves. Go to work if you want money. That's how it works.

[@penskepc2374]

They did actually, the cigarette had two sets of DNA on it and his co defendants case was thrown out because literally all they had was the cigarette, for some reason the judge in Sam Williams case allowed the case to go forward.

[@drivventodrumm1]

I’ve seen my share of interrogations, and these two do a pretty good job

[@RickySterling]

Insane. They should have tossed the whole interview. He asked do his lawyer and said he wasn’t talking at the top of the interview.

[@logosfocus]

but went on to talk freely..

[@MissGrimm]

@@logosfocus doesn’t matter. If he just said I don’t want to talk, then the cop can keep asking questions. The moment they say lawyer, cops are obligated by law to go and get one or let the suspect call their lawyer. You don’t get to keep asking questions after someone asks for an attorney or otherwise cops would just keep right on asking questions for hours before actually going and getting an attorney.

[@joebrinson5040]

He continued to talk.

[@MissGrimm]

@@joebrinson5040 doesn’t matter. He asked for a lawyer. At that point, the interview ends. He’s asked for the attorney, the cops need to leave the room and get one. They can’t just sit there and keep talking to him. The moment you ask for a lawyer, you get a lawyer.

[@edwardbass1605]

@@MissGrimm the interrogators did an EXCELLENT job putting this garbage where he belongs.

[@raterus]

FYI, That video effect you do at 9:20 when the video is paused is extremely irritating to watch fullscreen. Great episode though, I love how you explain the cases.

[@angelaburroughs4584]

Happy I came across this video because I seen the interview

[@TalesOfBrandino]

Wait....I went to school with Johnny back in Jr high and high school. Never thought I could say that about one of these videos

[@GOBLIN-o7n]

Did anything about him stand out?

[@TalesOfBrandino]

@@GOBLIN-o7n Hmm not exactly. He was pretty cool for the most part. He was in a couple of my classes and he was sort of the class clown.

[@danejurus69]

He should have said "ok, I lied. I thought this was about me selling them drugs. I have been in their house, many times, and I sold them drugs the day before someone killed them. I was afraid to get arrested for trafficking so that's why I lied and said I didn't know them and never been in their house. And...I'd like a lawyer now."

[@Immperc]

That but just the last 5 words

[@guillermo3564]

Remember, he was going to school for criminal justice, which means he wanted to be a cop. He's dumber than a post. No way could he figure out how to cover his ass. Plus, he just keeps talking after asking to find out what this was all about. What a genius. He is the type of moron that America has in police departments everywhere.

[@anitagoodman9002]

No you ask for a lawyer and let then explain

[@jayremi755]

Yeaaaa don't admit to lying to the police wtf

[@wecanalldoit]

Moral of the story. Never talk to police even if you think you have nothing to hide

[@Jennylouise87]

I watch so much true crime, to find cases I haven't seen before is so exciting! I'm a dork! I know! Thank you for your videos, I subscribed and look forward to seeing many more. You do a great job! I find the interrogations so interesting.

[@tiffanyjones8163]

Me too! I have an extremely hard time finding videos with content that I don't know about. I knew I couldn't be the only one. Ive actually talked to my daughter about doing a podcast about the crime that has affected us which unfortunately is over a dozen cases. We live in southeast Kentucky and not a lot makes it out of these hills.

[@Jennylouise87]

@@tiffanyjones8163 I think that would be an amazing idea!

[@tiffanyjones8163]

@@Jennylouise87my daughter is 18 now but she was 13 months old when her dad, my partner, was murdered. And I think talking about that could be healing. His name was James Agnel Slone. I have always lived in Perry county Kentucky and my maiden name is Jones and my family had roots deeply implanted in coal mines. I am the oldest grandchild and have so many stories to pass down. My grandfather Elhanon Jones Jr was murdered in 1989 but not before killing several during the decades before. My great grandfather, Elhanon SR, was also murdered while on duty as a deputy. His grandfather Borkin Jones, was killed on duty as a deputy. My great uncle Burton Jones was murdered and is a cold case and rumor is that he was mistaken for my grandfather. My paternal grandmother's side has it's stories as well. My maternal uncle, a Vires, killed a man in Knott co ky. My maternal great uncle, surname Kennedy, killed an old lady over cigarettes im told with a claw hammer. He is dead now but he actually escaped prison twice before died. And these are just the ones that cross my mind as I write this.

[@tiffanyjones8163]

As you may imagine there's many other true crime stories dealing with coal mine strikes since the 60s. Hazard ky is the city of Perry county ky. It is and wil probably be a wild but wonderful place.

[@tiffanyjones8163]

Just thought about an interesting article i came across recently. My great aunt Rachel Jones Engle murdered her daughter in law several decades ago but I didn't know details. The article i found says she killed her over an argument about the chickens she owned. Rachel then got dressed and started walking the 15 miles to the Perry county jail to turn herself in. She managed to hitchhike part of the way . She was in her 70's.

[@jasperzatch610]

Wait they found someone else's dna on the same cigg but that person got away? The only evidence they had on the guy that is in jail is the cigg isnt it??

[@quique7764]

I don't know if that's all the evidence but I do know ppl have been convicted for less. That isn't to say they always get it right, they obviously don't. It's def. a very flawed system which benefits those w/ money to hire proper defense attorneys. Nvm that there is an inherent bias in the system which views men, women, people of color, or those dealing mental issues in very different ways.

[@Sam-kz6cu]

If he kept his mouth shut and lawyered up he would be a free man but my man wanted to tell his life story

[@michaelhunziker7287]

Never trust anyone who's only vices are smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day and murder

[@Meanie74]

This was a particular interesting video because it includes police interviewing witnesses. When edited right these interviews can be particularly compelling, for instance there’s a guy who covered the multiple interviews with the corrupt Buck Eye police department and it was FASCINATING

[@theodorerobert6774]

Who is the guy? What’s the channel

[@missmouse20]

I'm concerned that he immediately invoked his rights yet the detectives continued

[@janswart9800]

They can ask their questions; he does not have to answer.

[@missmouse20]

@@janswart9800 the second you invoke your rights, the interview is legally supposed to end. Anything after that can be dismissed as evidence.