The CCIE is dead in an SDN world! Right?

[@davidbombal]

Menu: Who is Jeff: 00:24 The CCIE is dead: 2:20 Is Networking still a good career? CCNA or Python? 8:05 Open Source tools? 11:00 What is SDN? 13:17 Does Cisco support OpenFlow? 16:34 What is Intent Based Networking? SD-Access / ACI / SD-WAN 18:30 What is SD-Access (SDA)? 21:46 What is the advantage of SD-Access? 27:46 Can ACI and SD-Access work together? 32:38 What is the best technology to study as a new person? 33:48 Jeff's details: Blog: www.subnetzero.info/ INTERVIEWING #1: How I got my first networking job: www.subnetzero.info/2019/03/15/880/ David's details: KZbin: kzbin.info Twitter: twitter.com/davidbombal Instagram: instagram.com/davidbombal LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/davidbombal

[@kvv8197]

Thanks for the interview David! It helped me re-think many things about Networking and how to stablish a career path into Networking... Thanks for your work!

[@stampeder1686]

David: I'm an SDN architect. Been doing SDN/NFV and SD-WAN for about 9 years now. Do I have a CCIE? No. Every company that I have worked for I have asked the question "Do I need to go get my CCIE" and the answer has always been NO. I'm a special case because I have been in on the ground floor. Working in this area from the get go means I got the experience when there were no courses on SDN/NFV. We were developing it. That said would I recommend this to others? No.! The "N" in SDN means network. This is not an IT area but a network engineers area. Software (Python) is a tool to get the job done, not the result of your schooling or training. ie you are not a developer. I co-wrote an internal document when I was at Verizon called "Putting the "N" back in SDN". Networking is very different from CI/CD. Therefore the role of the data network engineer is evolving not disappearing. To that end "Go get your CCIE" and LEARN Python. There are great paying jobs out there for this combination and also a great future. I know. I'm living the dream.

[@davidbombal]

Fantastic comment Glenn! Thank you for sharing your experience :)

[@tdang9528]

Silly.. why invest all your money and energy in ATM/FRAME RELAY...X21.. CCIE.

[@stevens1041]

Best comment. Thanks for your insight.

[@Jambo-dz8yp]

6:33 "The banging on the keyboard for 100+ devices is not where we're adding value". Sounds obvious but eye-opening.

[@jose007108]

Feeling so lucky of discovering this channel, greetings from Colombia Mr. David

[@ryangorman2295]

So nice that Cisco is willing to make a video that can hurt their own brand for the sake of educating their future techs

[@Armurp01]

SDWan is similar to what Jeff mentioned vManage= controller for vEdge vSmart = control plane for all route policies vBond = Certificate authentication between vEdge & vManage vEdge = Small Linux box that acts as the spoke router and is pretty much a dumb router.....if it loses connectivity to vManage it has a certain amount of time before all control plane info is loss. This router is a plug and play device out of the box that needs the internet to become functional. Overlay Management Protocol is its preference for sharing information back to the controllers.

[@patrickcummings6871]

David...I hear of the concept of full stack network engineer (much like full stack web developer, front end and back-end), where one should learn not just R&S but CCNA security , CCNA collaboration, wireless, cloud, and network automation to enhance ones prospects for employment with little to no experience? By having a broad range, is this a good way to add value for one's resume and career and stand out from the crowd since there are so many CCNA R&S's in the world or is CCNP and CCIE concentation R&S better?

[@jeffmclaughlin6612]

I'm not David but since I was the other half of this video, let me take a crack at it. You raise the big dilemma. Would it be better to go deep (CCIE) or go broad (multiple CCNAs?) You are correct that, with automation, a breadth of experience is better. Solutions-level thinking is essential. That is, you should be able to think beyond the box-level to how the different components of the system interact. That said, good luck getting there without understanding the fundamentals. You can't study everything at once, so you need to focus. You need to understand R/S deeply before you move on to wireless. I would say that you do not want to be too broad and unfocused. The certification tracks will eventually catch up and you will be seeing more solutions-level certs as well, so hopefully you won't have to go to crazy racking up letters after your name.

[@enriquegabriel7708]

I would not recommend to get all those CCNAs because it's better to be the person able to solve the issues instead of being the person able to speak in a general way about anything. Don't try to hold an entire departament on your shoulders, just try to be the expert in the Field you have choosen. When I have a proble at work, I call for the expert, not for the assosiate.

[@patrickcummings6871]

David...Is working towards a much broader approach called a full stack network engineer (much like full stack web developer, front end and back end development) better than CCNP CCIE concentration for the entry level person coming into the field. For example getting CCNA R&S, Security, Collaboration, Cloud, Wireless, automation (Python), VMware make you more valuable than just getting CCNP. Wouldn't this approach be much better than the latter especially since there are so many CCNA R&S's in the world?

[@JoeContrerasGenesisJoeC]

Such a valuable video, thanks David!

[@hakemsalah9528]

Hello David now what we will do i get CCNA R&S now i will prepare CCNP ? what is your advice for me best regard

[@house9850]

does anyone know which CCIE is the most valuable at the moment?

[@MK-jf1rv]

I have started watching old vidoes of yours.. 😊 It helps👍

[@CMDmed6067]

As usual very informative David. Networking and Planes? ❤❤❤

[@dmahapatra1816]

I am a CCNP and planning for next level so what is better for a person like me who is more into routing and security and also want to walk matching with current technologies to sustain in industry

[@dmahapatra1816]

Pls give your input

[@caohieu089]

​@@dmahapatra1816 you can go with SDA/SDN, Python/Network Automation Language and more Linux/Security/Firewall. If you want to work in SP, please add all and more SP fundamental

[@wmurray1990]

However the average commercial pilots salaries are overall down in comparison to before their avionics and navigation automation, so can we expect the same in regards to Network Engineering?

[@jeffmclaughlin6612]

I would disagree with this, although feel free to correct me if you have information I don't. Currently there is a shortage of commercial pilots so there is very high demand. I hear from pilot friends that the demand is so high that pilot schools can't schedule training because they keep losing their instructors to the airlines. I don't know the macro trends for salaries since the early years, but I don't think it's trended down much if at all.

[@isaacgarcia2979]

Would it not be best to just have a ccnp and python certs?

[@ravenbao3334]

Hi David, i am looking to switch to Cyber security and I am thinking of obtaining CCIE security certification, but I have never been a real network engineer in the career ( i have been a system administrator), I do have general knowledge around networking and I did take CCNA S&R many years ago but I have never configured a router in my life, so is it possible for people like me to get CCIE Security? does it require you to have in-depth knowledge around S&R?

[@xerxes8075]

ccie compare to other certificates like ccna or ccnp like compare hills to mountains, for ccie level you need a lot of solid knowledge about related fields, among ccie’s EI and Security are easiest but valuable

[@CheesieGamer]

Thanks! Working on it

[@patrickilunga1535]

Thanks David for SDN.

[@arkadyka6777]

Very interesting position!) Thank you for your work!)

[@MuhammadIsmail-in6vf]

Then, Solarwinds happen.

[@ElreyRayo]

sounds to me like the future... 10-15yrs for mass market to afford such upgrades

[@heribertorios]

They are trying to convince people about a false tendency. Sdn is a failure product. A market name for something that's have no success on the real world.

[@TheChinobi23]

Thank you David

[@Aranha8591]

SD access feels like phonebook in CCM with frame tagging and grouping

[@marioperez-dc9oj]

Great info David thanks!

[@ranabeltron]

Thanks David

[@stardust-su2uz]

Great show.

[@yusuf605]

Good questions ..

[@jameslol7785]

I had to change the playback from normal to 0.75× to understand the hell what he was saying.

[@ankurarora1606]

Ultimate

[@komalthecoolk]

"MY NAME JEFF"

[@jeffmclaughlin6612]

I think I said "My name is Jeff" but hey, I'm still working on my English after all these years. :)

[@komalthecoolk]

@@jeffmclaughlin6612 Oh my god! No disrespect to you Jeff. "MY NAME JEFF" is an internet meme (search the phrase on youtube) and I just wrote that for whoever understood it as a joke. I really apologize for the misunderstanding :)

[@jeffmclaughlin6612]

@@komalthecoolk I see, shows how out of touch I am with Internet memes :)

[@labidiayoub]

very interesting !