The Church of England departs the historic Christian Faith - with Archbishop Justin Badi Arama

[@jimhamilton8775]

Any church leader who supports gay marriages in contravention of Bible teachings should not be in that position within the church. They should resign or be forced to resign.

[@colinmeehan791]

Absolutely.

[@johnfisher247]

The C of E has a long history of deforming the Faith since Thomas Cramner.

[@onceamusician5408]

no. just l;eave him to drink the wrath of god when the time is right. if you correctly thnk your church is apostate YOU GET OUT. don't wait for th other guy to repentm when it is sure the ywill not.

[@alanaban3519]

I garee the represent satan

[@MEF1215]

Well spoken brother Justin may Gods people in Africa Keep the Faith

[@bjstudio4865]

Thank you blessed Bishops for standing in defense of the Gospel at such a time as this. it fills my heart with joy to see the fruits of God's word in the Church in Africa.

[@himachalarana3454]

Defence of the Gospel? Take for instance to the gospel of Matthew 7:14, known as the sermon on the mount delivered by Jesus. At no point however does he say that belief in him is the mechanism by which one is saved. Indeed he earlier stresses the importance of not being judgmental and guarding against judging others before considering one’s own behaviour. His message was about humility and goodness, not Paul's "Christian" doctrine. It was only long after his death that the gospel of John preached that Jesus was god and put lots of self righteous self important sayings into his mouth. Defence of the Gospel? Laughable when the Christian sheep blindly follow the bastardized versions of the old books.

[@Randolph1233]

Himachala, God in Jesus Christ is the same today , yesterday and forever.

[@himachalarana3454]

@@Randolph1233 Keep believing in this and impose it on other faiths, demeaning other faiths. When shall thee understand that it is demeaning Jesus? Christianity practiced by you people is dead, not by non-Christians, but by Christians practicing conversion, sexual abuse, corrupt practices and intolerance.

[@IslamicSchool-at-Al-HudaMosque]

Istighfar (Astaghfirullah) is the road to happiness and relief. Start chanting it whenever you are distressed, and it will, insha Allah, lift you out of your anxiety, place you in a tranquil position

[@himachalarana3454]

@@IslamicSchool-at-Al-HudaMosque Namasthê. If you are Muslim, then using a Hindu name is Harâm. Your recipe for Peace and Happiness is intriguing. Practice Kafir concept first and then chant Astaghfirullah for Peace and Happiness. Great religion. Practice Darul Islâm and then chant Astaghfirullah for Peace and Happiness. Great religion. Practice Darel Islâm and then chant Astaghfirullah for Peace and Happiness. Great religion. Muslim talking of tranquillity? There is going to be peace in the world. ha Ha HA Pranâms.

[@Petal4822]

This week in the USA the Asbury Revival in Kentucky thousands of students are non-stop praying for over a week. They are keeping the faith.

[@haweavivian48]

Please... Examine this movement very carefully. Take some time, and reserve judgment to see how, what many are calling a revival, unfolds. Test the spirits (1 John 4: 1-6) kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qxl4GXd8R7Y6c

[@Charoperez1988]

The British Bishops leading the church of England that came out with this aposted ideas need to repent or resigh because they are not fit to leed Christ Holy Church.

[@rosemaryhowes8047]

A lot of Christians now will be leaving the CofE for other churches, inevitable. ❤️🙏🇬🇧 And will grow.

[@012131boxer]

Justin Welby is more at home with the money men than with the church and it's parishioners.He is more concerned about property,how much has the c of e made from churches closing and him personally?Over 600 churches have closed under his archbishopric.

[@johnhall4851]

I'm one of them. This interference in God's word is massively wrong.

[@Deb.-.]

@@012131boxer Do you also recall that Welby was due to retire but then said that he would not as he could see the writing on the wall with the death of the Queen and that he wanted to be the one to be head honcho at the Coronation of Charles,, Wonder how Charles feels about Welby turning his back on the teachings of the bible? Welby's true colours are now showing.

[@thomaslai5303]

my respect to the clear and decisive response from the GSFA, god bless you all and may god have mercy on fellow Christians who express their faith in Anglicanism.

[@ericnongo4395]

I had left church but am now back to church since is see a split of African church from that of England In Uganda we have decided to split from that evil,we cannot accept such evil to eat us up for the sake of pleasing the world

[@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople]

Revelation 18:3-5 (KJV) 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

[@johnfisher247]

Revelation 18:3.5 (Douia Rheims) "3 Because all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the earth have been made rich by the power of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and the Lord hath remembered her iniquities."

[@juliusbattens2563]

Amen Amen Apocalypse is here. Abomination is standing in the holy places. Run to the Lord. Christians of the world unite undr the Lord's banner.

[@helendeacon7637]

Repentance, speaking the truth in love! God bless you, Archbishop Justin Badi Arama! So thankful there is leadership from the Global South. Praying for revival, much encouraged by Asbury, USA and related reports of outpourings of the Holy Spirit. That it be remembered that our God is Holy and the work of His Son complete. That a genuinely high view of Scripture and Worship be restored to God's children again . Dr D Martyn Lloyd Jones said "build the altar " for the Holy Spirit to bring fire. Thank you, Dominic, for these video updates to inform our continuing prayers.

[@davidperry3096]

God bless all faithful arch bishops and bishops as they meet to solidify true Christian fellowship

[@himachalarana3454]

Solidify true Christian fellowship? You still don't understand that Christ/Mary related religions are dead. Latest church closures and sexual abuse cases surfacing puts a lot of pressure on those trying to revive (not flog) the dead horse. Abuse cases in Portugal is the latest to surface. There will be more new cases from Italy soon.

[@Catholic_convert81]

Saddens me deeply as an Englishman Christian , hopefully repentance will happen and the CoE will get back on the right path of truth , thats all we can hope and pray for.

[@andrewmiles2370]

Last October when studying church history, I saw that certain high ranking elites in the church of England had simply hidden its Roman allegiance, not shed it, and when reading John's apocalypse, the instruction from the Lord, "come out of her my people, so that you will not participate in her sins, and receive of her plagues" rang out like a bell. And the Spirit guided my understanding that our family should not be in the church of England any longer. We found a god-fearing church in November, praise God. And now I understand. My heart breaks for you all, I pray that the Lord will grant you all wisdom and discernment as you seek where your fellowship now lies. But never forget that it is Christ who gives you solid ground. May the peace of the Lord always be with you.

[@Joeonline26]

​@Patrice Agulu What a bizarre reply to a comment 🤦‍♂️

[@himachalarana3454]

Andrew, I am at a loss to understand your understanding of God. It should be Love God and Fear Sin. I am a Hindu, a demonic Hindu by Christ/Mary related denominations. The more proselytization Christ/Mary related religions carry out, the acceleration of the demise of Christ's teachings. Keep it up Christians.

[@Joeonline26]

@@himachalarana3454 Love and God and fear sin? It's more like love God and fear God. Oh and please don't discuss Mariology and the Marian dogmas if you don't understand them and aren't familiar with them as a hindu. Read the scriptures then read the church fathers before commenting on Mary or Jesus

[@himachalarana3454]

@@Joeonline26 Thank your for your comment. How nice of you to tell a Hindu, to read scriptures and read the Church Fathers. Yes, several of us Hindus have formed groups to study the scriptures, as part of Pûrva Paksha (or the study of opponents in a dialogue or debate from their frames of reference so as to make an informed rebuttal). We find that the New Testament has become the bastardized version of the old testament. In that, many of Jesus's teachings have been changed. And you people blindly follow the modern version. Take for instance to the gospel of Matthew 7:14, known as the sermon on the mount delivered by Jesus. At no point however does he say that belief in him is the mechanism by which one is saved. Indeed he earlier stresses the importance of not being judgmental and guarding against judging others before considering one’s own behaviour. His message was about humility and goodness, not Paul's "Christian" doctrine. It was only long after his death that the gospel of John preached that Jesus was god and put lots of self righteous self important sayings into his mouth. A word of caution on Church Fathers. Make sure they are neither sodomizing children/adults nor getting fellated. It is like the devil quoting the Bible. Amen.

[@dianebell3653]

@Patrice Agulu What denomination Catholic are you? Roman Catholic? Eastern Rite Catholic? Orthodox Catholic? Ecumenical Catholic Church? Ecumenical Catholic Communion? Reformed Catholic Church? American Catholic Church? Those are just the first that sprung to mind. I believe there's about 24. Apologies if I have not included your denomination. Personally I am Roman Catholic but that doesn't make me better than any other Christian.

[@livingwater4410]

Thank you Archbishop Arama - praying for you.

[@jamestrotter3162]

The Cof E has chosen to break communion with Jesus Christ, and Ichabod has been written on it's door.

[@johngregory9504]

Amen amen amen The Lord bless and keep you archbishop Justin

[@castelodeossos3947]

'...we did not expect such to happen within the Church of England'. Sure a great many people have been expecting this for decades.

[@johnfisher247]

For 500 years the slow wreck has been unwinding. The C of E has been pivotal in by breaking with the universal Church and eviscerating Christianity in the UK and her Empire.

[@Kelpie119]

C of E will not survive long term unless they change Thank goodness for these leaders are standing up😊I personally see this as a general chastisement for the world.

[@mre7550]

Just consider the track record of the head of the church when it comes to morality.

[@1804Child]

American pastor… I’ve been an ordained minister for 3 years… this is truly sad seeing the leaders of the Church of England condoning sin. Grateful to God for the global Church.

[@christinewyatt4794]

Many thanks for taking a stand against what Justin Welby has allowed. What I can say Icabod, the Lord has departed!!! Someone should ask Justin Welby which god does he serve

[@shans4270]

To be honest, I am shocked and unable to comprehend how CoE got to this position, putting the world first, not our God! What is Holy is not necessarily legal! What is legal is not necessarily Holy! What is democratic is not necessarily Holy! What is Holy is not necessarily democratic!

[@nikkygovier3783]

I've been shocked by how many Christians fell for the lies and lined up for the vaccines. It was disgraceful that some cathedrals were turned into vaccine hubs whilst being closed for worship.

[@RhyfelwrOlaf]

What does king Charles the 3rd think of all this, since he is the keeper of the faiith in the UK 🇬🇧???

[@WHU63]

Unlike the recently departed Queen Elizabeth 2nd, King Charles has no idea what the faith is. If you don't understand what the Christian faith is, how can you defend it? The Bishops of the CoE are well aware of the faith and their biblical responsibility to uphold it. They've erred and the church will pay the price. Thank God for the Anglican church in the global south. They uphold biblical truths and will continue to do so.

[@funkyskypilot]

The title Defender of the Faith was conferred on Henry VIII by the pope for services to the Roman Catholic Church. Ironic much?

[@barnes8397]

Thanks goes to whoever is standing bold in defense of the original faith, defend Christianity for it's going through trying moment. Condemn the evil, Praise God 👏 the creator 🙏

[@Petal4822]

This week in the USA the Asbury Revival in Kentucky thousands of students are non-stop praying for over a week. They are keeping the faith.

[@stephenhayesuk]

Charles will do whatever he needs to do and say whatever he needs to say in order to try to avoid the abolition of the monarchy. Here in England, faithful Christians have been dreading the passing of her Majesty Elizabeth 2nd. She was by no means a perfect ruler, and signed off many wicked Acts of Parliament, but she was a strong preserving force. Now she has gone, strong forces that have been waiting and planning for a long time are making their moves. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. I quit the Anglican church I had been attending 8 years ago when I saw this coming after the Pilling report. I now attend a Bible church, but I have no doubts that they will be coming for us in due course. They will try to get the Bible outlawed as 'hate speech'. Very soon I expect that they will attack gift aid tax breaks for churches as charities unless we sign up to the full LGBTQ agenda. The churches ought to factor this into our economics. I hope that the so called 'Church of England' will now find that if it throws God's Word under the bus in order to please the world, it will reap the due consequences. I see a strong movement towards disestablishment-this is already being called for by the same sexual revolutionaries who the bishops are trying to please. They tried to find a way to please both God and secular humanists, they will please neither and will receive a due recompense. Older Anglicans are dying off, some are going to Rome, others to the Free Churches, young people are not joining. We will see more church buildings taken over as mosques, Hindu temples and private dwellings. None of this should surprise us if we read the many warnings about false teachers in the New Testament.

[@denisemarionjames1487]

Oh I desperately needed to hear this response from Justin Badi Arama God Bless you. Hold on to your faith and others will follow.

[@tanyaravene5555]

bless you !!!! keep standing for the truth

[@johnsaunders7749]

I Don't get the impression that he thinks much about this issue at all. His aim is to be ' Defender of Faiths'.

[@ileanamuntean7338]

God bless our brothers who speak with clarity and integrity.

[@namasi7070]

"Do not be conformed to the patterns of this world" Romans 12.2 The CoE has married the spirit of this age, thereby conforming to the patterns of this world.

[@johnhudghton3535]

A tale of two Archbishop Justins.

[@desmondblades9165]

The church of England was never the light of the world. It was and is a shadow of the world

[@MrRoma753]

A PRICELESS JEWEL The conjugial inclination of one man to one wife is the jewel of human life and the depository of the Christian religion. - Emanuel Swedenborg

[@estheraaja8069]

Amen

[@darwinmike2544]

The Holy Spirit has guided us to reject slavery, to help divorcees with kindness instead of rejection, to reject the teachings if the scribes and Pharisees, to accept women as equally loved by God, Women’s ordination now part of our world wide church - yrs God IS LEADING us further. Are we listening, are we reflecting on Jesus’ live for those on the margins.

[@julianbrown7976]

As soon as the modernizers have got what they want, I predict that they will largely loose interest in the anglican church and go look for some other institution to ruin.

[@rennismorian8176]

Time for a new round of breakaway and reformation .Our Father who art in heaven is relevant , real and potent

[@elizabethsackey4852]

Bible study will help. Praying for the Church

[@izzyplant8428]

Wonderful, keep inspired truth before us: Biblical truth end the proliferation of apostasy.

[@ianhowell6829]

Bless God for His faithful servants.

[@nirigovender5390]

We the church must be a people that will always stand out at all times and not fit in

[@biblereadinginmalayalam3887]

Thank you saints for raising your voice against sin and its proponents. Though you're a minority, the Mighty One in heaven will be with you and strengthen you to protect the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@rodhacking1549]

Hey, we won't miss you, though you have always been more than willing to take our money.

[@gwenechotaylor96]

"The Christian Gospel is not a Social system aiming to solve various social problems (to procure social justice) Christianity's primary purpose is the salvation of human existence..." Elder Athanasios Mitilanaios

[@mafigiritkezekia2480]

Are all provinces of the Anglican Communion supposed to be dictated by the undemocratic synod of England?

[@Chris-bf5ie]

God continue to bless you my brother. I cry when I think of how leaders in the C of E in England have let Christians down all over the world. My heart cries and I am ashamed. I pray God will intervene and restore the truth in our Land.

[@billveek9518]

Four men that had no apostolic authority and destroyed the true church all over the world, schismatics to the core.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

The Church of England departed from the faith in the 16th Century when Henry VIII created his new Church. There was no Anglican Communion before then.

[@ThePastorsHeart]

Ed. This episode is not rehearsing the Reformation debate. If you would like to discuss that topic the please contribute to the discuss on this thread. www.thepastorsheart.net/podcast/same-worlds-different-worlds

[@austinchinwe7968]

@@ThePastorsHeart...His submission is well within the boundaries of the discuss above.. There would be no Church of England today and these topics if not for the 16th century split... Truth be told, the Reformation had it good side as well as bad sides. The link you posted above is essentially part of the problem. We need to pray for unity of all Christians in Christ and his Church. Until Christ comes and mends all our broken world, we shall continue praying....

[@barbaracoleman6741]

Amen to the last comment

[@2406naomi]

In tears listening to this interview. Archbishop you are a gracious wise Godly leader and I thank God for you. I am so sad that the British leadership have let you down in this way and are indeed leading the British church astray with unbelievable apostasy. Stand strong. Keep the faith and keep praying for us. May you and your ministry be greatly blessed. I look forward to the eternal communion when we will meet with our beautiful Saviour in the clouds.

[@denisemarionjames1487]

I was in tears too

[@simongardiner949]

God Bless you brother in Christ. Our Lord has made believers the "Salt of the the Earth" but what happens if you loose your saltiness> see Matt. 5:13.

[@scottharrison812]

Is it possible the Bishop of Canterbury could be excommunicated?

[@countryview2020]

Maybe he will retire after the Coronation.

[@johnfisher247]

Please don't waste you time on Anglicanism. Rejoin the universal Church.

[@paulhatton9564]

I find this view shocking. Catholics seem to look down on all denominations with utter contempt. Shameful. You should be praying for the brothers and sister in Christ both leaders and common man to build up the church. You seem to be quite gleeful at the churches demise. The Catholic church is not the one true faith.There are many denominations equally as valid.

[@cyrilaspinall8152]

Thank you Bishop Justin Badi Arama

[@beowulf.reborn]

Are there any Anglican Churches in Gippsland, Victoria that are Orthodox? I would really like to look into Anglicanism more, however I know that the lady who is the "Priest(?)" of the Anglican Church in my hometown is a Universalist, and accepts homosexuality, same sex marriage, etc.

[@musicmaster21]

Amen Rt Hon Bishop Justin Badi Stand on The 'Word' of God John 17:17 2 Timothy 4:3-4 2 Timothy 3:5 Romans 14:12 Jesus' Blessings Peace Prosperity & Protection surround you & your family TRUST In Jesus God Bless ✝️🙏🏾🙏🏾📖📖

[@richardparwot8294]

Please consider that breaking away as the current affairs is described is not new. Consider that it has been going on for centuries even the very creation of ANGLICAN CHURCH. WHERE IS THE BIBLICAL CORRECTNESS OF THAT?

[@christinewyatt4794]

Wonder what Charles thinks as Defender of the faith !!!

[@countryview2020]

Have you watched Tim Cohen on KZbin regarding KCIII.

[@andrewdonnell4921]

Please try and understand that the Church of Rome is not Christianity but is anti Christ. In Christianity ther is one God and one mediation between God and mankind the man Chris Jesus 1st Timothy 2: 5.And not a woman called Mary who's is not the Mary of the bible but the Devil's counterfeit .Am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father but by me John 14: 6 . Ther is only one holy father God. John 17: 11 . Its absolute blasphemy for a moral human to assume such a title . Praying to saints/ false God's. I am the Lord and that is my name and I will not yeld my glory to no another or my praise to idols Isaiah 42: 8. How can Roman Catholicism possible be Christianity. Come out of her my people so you will not share in her sins Revelation 18: 4.

[@sura2proyect428]

This is what happend when church state run toguether and the state become corrupt.

[@haroldchester904]

I think the Anglican church began its downward slide in 1907 when it permitted widowers to marry their deceased wife's sister - not to speak of eventually permitting the marriage of divorced heterosexuals in church.

[@cyrilaspinall8152]

2 Timothy says that all scripture is God breathed so what rite has the arch bishop Justin welsby to change it. Has he no fear of God? Rev ch 18 v 4 says that we should come out from them lest wereceive of her plagues. The bible is our plumb line, it is not to be altered to fit the world. Thank you for all the bishops around the world who stand for the truths of Gods word and the gospel. I agree that we should pray for all those who are losing there way and compromising whith the world. Amos ch3 v 3 says can two walk together unless they are agreement.

[@52montoya]

The C of E cannot begin restoration until it separates itself from the British government. A government bureaucrat picks the AB and he must follow the dictates of the government.

[@hotpepper7782]

Why is the host say the word primates..... the question ending with the priest and his primates... someone please tell me I am wrong ...

[@deven.oauditx7547]

Of you are the leader and you don't agree with the church doctrine why don't you just resign from leadership? Why change the doctrine?

[@onceamusician5408]

of what valiue martyrdom? although tertullian it was (i think) who said that the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, the bible itself said, "if i give my body to be burned but have no love it profits me nothing" I corinthians chapter 13 did cranmer live in the love of christ? well, he was about to do what we would regard as deny the faith. he was willing to recant his views to save his skin and even signed a docum,ent to that effect. but Mary Tudor so hated him she flouted her own catholic canon law which commanded mercy to those who had so recanted what she regarded as heresy, and she burned him anyway. where was the love of christ in any of this?

[@bwengyewenceslas4957]

Archbishop Justine Badi Arama it's very unfortunate the Church of Englanda is deviating from the teaching of Jesus Christ and start sugar coating the sin in order to fit what they feel suits them . The Church of Uganda has stated it categorically that they have separated from their mother church of England due to the deviation from the teaching of Christ . May the Almighty God change the hearts of the leadership of the Church of to come to their senses and make a u turn

[@onceamusician5408]

you only just noticed that the C of E has just departed the christian faith? over 20 years ago they tolerated the heresies of bishop John Spong. they had departed either at that time by doing this or even before it. did it have to be in your face blatant before you even noticed? this is nothing new

[@pauljiffkins5449]

Cranmer, Latimer and Ridley were faithful martyrs to the end of their lives

[@paddymeboy]

By no stretch of the imagination is the prohibition of homosexuality a central tenet of the Christian faith.

[@HouseOfBread.]

The Mother province is acting like an extreme fringe group.

[@Odo-so8pj]

Just stay away from Rome. Walk away from the false teachers.

[@jamesvalentine8226]

Historic faith? Henry VIII, Luther, Cranmer, Rowan the Druid, Welby - all good company. Maybe the new King will save the faith!

[@highstrangeness1824]

Where do you think all of this changes stems from ? Smh wake up folks my goodness. The church will need to be under ground soon.

[@johnmayger2265]

Israel and then the church are called to come apart and be HOLY

[@simoncollins8320]

Amen!

[@johnbitonti2672]

What hypocritical statements!! "Come back to the truth". What truth? The truth of Henry the VIII. He appointed himself as the supreme head of the church of England. You are "IN FACT" not Christian, for you have left Christ's Church.

[@Deb.-.]

NKJ Jeremiah 23 1“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.

[@annettestewart6512]

Well spoken, we pray for Justin Welby

[@Gwaycee]

He has made a pact with Rome. The mark of the beast right there.

[@jf7243]

A sad sad day for the CofE. There will be many communions who break from her and proceed on a more biblical path. Seventy five percent of the Anglican communion are represented in the Global South communion. That says where the future of Anglicanism lies.

[@Kitiwake]

Which faith was Thomas Cramner burned for? He had at least 2 that we know of and couldn't decide on either. Come to think of it, so did the other two.

[@jaysonwau7325]

Unreal; certainly there's no logic. Surely expect more changes via the same route.

[@backedupwithtruth7525]

Gafcon and Global South are like the police for lawless and naughty Anglicans

[@MarkH67]

Where can I find a GAFCON church in South Birmingham, UK?

[@colinrichards8423]

God bless you Just Bari Arama, thank you for standing up for the truth, Jesus died for our sins.

[@IslamicSchool-at-Al-HudaMosque]

Istighfar (Astaghfirullah) is the road to happiness and relief. Start chanting it whenever you are distressed, and it will, insha Allah, lift you out of your anxiety, place you in a tranquil position

[@redset11]

We Christians worship yhe one true God of the Holy Bible, not the false god Allah.

[@chrysostomgunaseelan3907]

At least the Protestant churches are explicit in their apparent apostasy. The de facto position of the Roman Catholic church from my experience is no better, but they defend their Orthodoxy by pointing out to their impeccable de jure position.

[@chrysostomgunaseelan3907]

I personally prefer the explicit, intellectually honest rational, clear minded and transparent apostasy of the Anglicans and Protestants to the implicit, muffled and libidinous apostasy of the Roman empire derived churches that say one thing and do another. Their Protestant counterparts are more consistent in saying and doing what they say.

[@backedupwithtruth7525]

Justin vs Justin 😳

[@conniechauke8804]

Amen 🙏

[@martinospitaletta8198]

Faith alone is wrong for the two following reasons: (1) the combination of the word dikaiosyne + logizo is a terminus technicus in Second Temple Judaism and means " to acknowledge a behaviour as fullfillment of covenantal obligations". This is clear from the Qumran rolls and other ancient writings in Paul's time. (2) When Paul is telling that "pistis" is counted (reckoned) as righteousness =covenant faithfulness , the phrase "pistis" must be denoting a behaviour - and neither the Protestant "faith" nor "faith alone" meet this requirement for a correct translation in the context of " reckon a behaviour as covenant faithfulness". The true meaning of pistis is therefore: faithfulness, trusting obedience to a messianic king, a kind of behaviour best described as allegiance. (3) Allegiance is nonexistent without obedience, so obedience and perseverance in obedience are necessary for salvation. (4) People preaching a different gospel as Paul are lost Galatians 1,8. Now do your own research. Wikipedia, New perspective on Paul. Or: Salvation by Allegiance alone, Matthew Bates.

[@charlesm9190]

Ichabod!

[@mikeryan3701]

Both Luther and Calvin believed that contraception was opposed to the clear teaching of the Bible. In this they were fully in line with what the Church had taught for centuries. However, in 1930, the Anglican Communion decided to abandon that teaching. Why should the latest abandonment of biblical teaching by the Church of England have more dire consequences than the one of 1930? Furthermore, it is argued that there is a distinction between primary and secondary doctrines and while unity is essntial on primary doctrines, Bible-believing Christians are permitted to disagree on secondary doctrines. Is the current dispute over a primary doctrine or a secondary doctrine?

[@samruggiero1778]

They have also changed their teaching on abortion, remarriage and women bishops in the last 60 years. Gay marriage will be allowed very soon.

[@Dr-Brown]

Primary because it's a salvation issue, even by CofE's subordinate standards: repentance from sin is necessary for salvation (Homilies: Of repentance), Scripture defines what is necessary for salvation (Article VI & XXI), Scripture defines sexual immorality as sin, therefore repentance from sexual immorality is necessary for salvation. Condoning sin, or worse blessing sin, is not calling to repentance unto salvation, hence salvation issue, hence primary issue.

[@Petal4822]

This week in the USA the Asbury Revival in Kentucky thousands of students are non-stop praying for over a week. They are keeping the faith.

[@joanner1427]

But perhaps the use of contraception is Opposed to Biblical principles? Some types interfere with already created life! Others may interfere with marital unity. Perhaps repentance is indeed in this too?! When the marital "act" is no longer seen as unitive and potentially conceptive....then it's a small step to endorsement of other types of relationships.... Perhaps a church that is truly pro life, and celebrates and wellcomes the birth of Children as a great blessing would be a flourishing church?

[@fernbracken]

Father kenneth green the Catholic scholar said the last secret of Fatima was so awful the Pope collapsed when he read it. He said that the Church would be destroyed by homosexual abuse and negelect by its priests and here it is today the voice of Prophecy

[@darwinmike2544]

I do believe that The Holy Spirit is leading the C of E into further truth. As Jesus said -“I have much more to tell you….” Thus I believe, saying that what’s recorded in the GOSPELS is not the end of the story.

[@marjiebrowne7214]

We are told not to add anything extra to the biblical stance!

[@darwinmike2544]

@@marjiebrowne7214 but Jesus said there’s more I need to tell you….. Jn 16:12

[@vrager1564]

You are claiming that Holy Spirit is double minded because Jesus said marriage is between a man and a woman and Moses said man lying with a man is an abomination and Paul likewise in Romans 1. No one has quoted what Holy Spirit has actually said to justify same sex marriage/serial relationships. Who is claiming new revelation from God on this issue? None can say what God has said. All they say is based on their own human feelings, not God's view at all.

[@fredphilippi8388]

The global south is well known for its homophobia. 'Nuf said. I am supportive of science regarding human sexuality and of the Church of England's efforts to integrate science and belief.

[@Dante-vf4sd]

Science affirms the clear Truth of scripture regarding same sex relations

[@rwj1276]

Its not a matter of 'homophobia' - a derogatory term like many so called modern 'phobias. 'Science' does not have a position as such, scientist do, and different scientists have varying viewpoints.

[@Petal4822]

This week in the USA Asbury Revival in Kentucky non-stop prayer for over a week. Asbury college are keeping the faith.

[@fredphilippi8388]

@@Dante-vf4sd For two-and-a-half millennia, Jews and Christians understood the Scriptures to say the sun, moon and stars revolve around the earth. When the first scientists (Galileo et al.) began to suggest that the earth and other planets revolve around the sun, they were punished by the church or intimidated into silence. But the truth is, the earth is part of a solar system that revolves around the sun, and we eventually adjusted our interpretation of the Scriptures on this point to accommodate the new scientific understanding. The same evolution of interpretations of the Scriptures happened regarding the morality of taking interest on loans (sinful until it wasn't); the morality of divorce (sinful until it wasn't); the place of women in the church (silent until they were allowed to lead); human evolution (nonsense until it wasn't); and now same-gender marriage (sinful until it isn't). When science reveals new insights about creation and human existence, we reinterpret the Scriptures accordingly. This is not a matter of being influenced by worldly culture. It is a matter of recognizing science -- in this case, the science of innate human sexual orientation -- and using it as a touchstone for reinterpreting the Scriptures accordingly. Neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality are sinful in themselves. It is what we do with them that is either moral or immoral

[@fredphilippi8388]

@@rwj1276 For two-and-a-half millennia, Jews and Christians understood the Scriptures to say the sun, moon and stars revolve around the earth. When the first scientists (Galileo et al.) began to suggest that the earth and other planets revolve around the sun, they were punished by the church or intimidated into silence. But the truth is, the earth is part of a solar system that revolves around the sun, and we eventually adjusted our interpretation of the Scriptures on this point to accommodate the new scientific understanding. The same evolution of interpretations of the Scriptures happened regarding the morality of taking interest on loans (sinful until it wasn't); the morality of divorce (sinful until it wasn't); the place of women in the church (silent until they were allowed to lead); human evolution (nonsense until it wasn't); and now same-gender marriage (sinful until it isn't). When science reveals new insights about creation and human existence, we reinterpret the Scriptures accordingly. This is not a matter of being influenced by worldly culture. It is a matter of recognizing science -- in this case, the science of innate human sexual orientation -- and using it as a touchstone for reinterpreting the Scriptures accordingly. Neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality are sinful in themselves. It is what we do with them that is either moral or immoral

[@sura2proyect428]

Glory be to God, it will be a good thing,

[@lauraanderson7358]

the c of e was passed down from king henry viii. gmab

[@davidmorrison2739]

and?

[@lauraanderson7358]

@@davidmorrison2739 the synopsis of this article states "the c of e has departed from the historic faith, passed down from the apostles." the c of e departed...from it's inception. c'mon man gmab

[@davidmorrison2739]

@@lauraanderson7358 No, it gradually came back to the Bible, at least in its official doctrine.

[@lauraanderson7358]

@@davidmorrison2739 The Church preceded the Bible.

[@davidmorrison2739]

@@lauraanderson7358 Many Churches preceded the Bible- Jerusalem, Galatia, Thessalonica, Rome, Ephesus...