The church turned my mother against us, said we were illegitimate children | Mens Desk | LNN

Joshua will always remember his mother as the woman who loved him the most and as the woman who denied him that the church had said all her kids were illegitimate.
For the longest time, he questioned where the sudden rejection had come from and tried telling his mother she was wrong but he received nothing but surrender.
On this episode of Men's Desk, he walks Joshua through his painful childhood, his hatred towards women, and why he prayed and fasted for his mother to die
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[@wanjiruolive]

I love this men talk section, we want men to be vulnerable and share their stories cause they're human, and they should know we feel their pain, and that they can share their stories in a safe space like this show....

[@emmahmaepa7071]

For sure

[@safinatonui5708]

Lack words to say,but let the love of God be enough.So inspiring .

[@casey4662]

000000000900000000000000000000000000 mppmwas 8 ite,

[@anthonygreenfield123]

Im not sure if I trust your agenda Lynn

[@sallywahito]

This show has inspired me in ways I can't explain. Being brought up by a single mum of 8,an orphan herself and widowed at a very young age then remarried my dad but separated due to his drinking wasn't easy. My mum was bitter with life and her frustration got to us, couldn't take us beyond class 8 ...seeing my dad get lost in alcohol and couldn't help us and my mum's ill treatment towards me especially coz am named after my dad's mum and seemed I reminded her of her issues with my father made me hate all of them together. The day he died at his drinking den,I remember going to see his body at KU mortuary and felt nothing...but thank am healed,at some point mourned and released him,forgave my mum even though we don't have the best of relationships but we are good. Since then,I've experienced immense peace,got back to high school (Ngumbaro) and later graduated last year with a bachelor's. I believe forgiveness released me to my blessings that had stalled for years

[@estherkibe]

Yes dear forgiveness is very important, no matter what just forgive and go ur own.. u make ur doors open and all the blessing which GOD has kept for u zinacome immediately. Chears

[@gracedavid2650]

True you heal by forgiving my mum is still the most weaked human being I know....when I see people wish there mother's were alive I questioned God why? Mamangu amekataa kumchange Wala kutubu ..I choz me and my son and moved on....let me love her from a distance but Mungu tu atafanya nimkaribishe in my li fe am just done.and funny enough she is so un apologetic ... Narssist and a habitual liar. Selfish and money minded😭🥺

[@mercyk2672]

I'm so sorry to hear that. As a mom of a 12 year old daughter, I want to sincerely apologize for your mom. Sometimes its just a lack of wisdom.

[@penzi1065]

@@gracedavid2650 we are many. Choose you above all. Be intentional in your life-taking action on the thoughts and feelings that are most important to you. You got your son🫶

[@annewamaitha1147]

Wow.. very inspiring. A parent is not supposed to say sorry, you are the one to look for a way to reconcile. Like the (kamweretho) and keep on visiting her regularly.

[@MillyAmtana]

I almost lost my son because of the church and i can tell you it's very terrible. Theirs this day day my son was beaten terribly untill today i still cry. Thank God i got cervical cancer i was chased away from the church and that's when i knew my kids are the only thing that i need to fight for untill today i still beg for the forgiveness from my kids. My advice is that dont let anybody to tell you how to love your children.

[@faithakinyi6015]

No I can't be a prisoner of church

[@sharonnm4556]

God first, family second then the rest. Church is not God

[@olgaachieng4672]

Yee.same boat.some religion separated children from parents.me have not seen mine face to face because of church teachings.

[@margiekamande4795]

Seeing my schoolmate here brings joy to my heart, Josh talking is healing. Wow

[@LynnNgugi]

Good morning team LN:) What message do you have for Joshua Kakai? Do you think some religious leaders tend to brainwash their congregants? You can contact Joshua through [e-mail]. To share your story with us, send a summary to [e-mail] or [e-mail] for consideration Thank you so much for watching:)

[@kisoimunyithya3009]

We learn a lot through these stories...Thank you so much Lynn

[@charlesmwikali3419]

Joshua was my course mate at Kirinyaga university,I loved his zeal for God and didn't know all this happened to Him,hugs bro

[@loisewaithiru5681]

grandma you are great

[@eunicemaingi5418]

My dear sister was brain washed by a pastor .she hate her family and later died with a lot of bitterness

[@WanjiruMuya]

You take the power back by speaking up😍❤️there's soo much abuse in Church and it's never talked about & when one speaks up you are shaming the Church. Glad we are having these conversations now!

[@LynnNgugi]

We are so glad people are opening up now:)

[@janemwangi6932]

@@LynnNgugi True. Whistle blowers are looked like are judging these false preachers. Unfortunately there's so much falsehood, brainwash and manuplation in many churches. The reason is, many followers dnt study their bibles bt instead they rely on everything their spiritual leaders tell them without confirming in the holy scriptures. Spiritual illiteracy is so dangerous. Better be academically illiterate than be spiritually illiterate. A PhD graduate is reduced to a slave due spiritual illiteracy. What we don't know is bigger than us. Spiritual illiterate is the cause of all this manuplating, brainwash and religion slavery. If the gospel is not about christ and the risen christ alone and His finished work of redemption the gospel preached by the apostles , then it's another gospel and cursed is the one who preaches another gospel Romans 3 explains everything. True gospel is about christ alone. Gospel of money is the root of all deception. It's not gospel but families businesses in the name of churches. They use their members as their slaves in the name of they're serving God bt little do they know that they are serving their so called spiritual fathers and mami's.

[@hawarajabu4130]

Mij

[@hawarajabu4130]

Mi

[@UhuruFrontier]

The church will never be a part of my life. I refuse to give in to that Roman pedophile organization. That WS organization.

[@davidgakoru2356]

How I love when men are giving their experiences of life ...what they have been through...meeeen it takes courage to do so.

[@LynnNgugi]

Even men deserve a safe space. :)

[@margaretwanjiru3027]

Ad he have nyc voice

[@davidgakoru2356]

@@LynnNgugi thank you for creating one.God bless you.

[@jacdez3520]

This guy was sending out a very important message. He needed to go through his emotions to come out healed. His grandma is lovely. My grandmother was the true love I received.

[@wangarimunyingi3451]

This guy is a great interviewer. The pain Joshua has been through I feel it may God use him in a mighty way.

[@Mr.Stingy]

This show has continuously taught me that am not alone…Being rejected by a mother is painful. When my mom got fed up with marriage, I was 17 and with two siblings, I was the middle one in form 4 🥹🥹💔 My mom chose to get married to another man immediately she left home and demanded that we join her in her new home if we ever needed her support. (Dad had already disappeared from home for years) We declined to leave our home. I remember one day my mom telling us that she will assume we are dead and she will go forth and birth other kids 💔💔😭😭 that hit us so hard. The story is that betrayal from a loved one is painful. Today both my parents are back home, we have a sister who happens to be the only child now at home, am happy and I hope one day my story will inspire someone. May God heal those who are hurting. There is life for those who seek God.

[@patricianduta3478]

We have the same case ,due to separation of my parents mum became vry bitter towards us ,she even went ahead na kusema asiwai zaliwa ,😭😭😭😭long story short no one goes where she lives without her consent to date and we are ok with that infact I always say sina kwetu and am ok with that ,coz I too I need piece of mind ,😭😭😭but it's ok ni life

[@Mr.Stingy]

@@patricianduta3478 it will be well 🫂

[@patricianduta3478]

@@Mr.Stingy thanks am good

[@darkskingal4565]

@@patricianduta3478 hugs dear

[@nyamburajude7126]

@@patricianduta3478 hugs mummy❤️

[@pastoresthermburu-cffkiten8469]

The talk section started by first reading the WORD!!! Glory to God

[@mmo3205]

Yaaani ni watch hii story mara nyingi thank you so much for bringing this platform for men also to speak out am relating this story to my story forgiveness is the key word here ukisamehe naye God anakupea grace ya kuheal na kumove on

[@sylviaagutu2528]

It takes courage,wisdom and grace to speak out,,may everyone going through the same situation in silence receive healing in the name of God🙏🙏.May God guide every woman planning to have kids with Love,, patient and a forgiving heart . Incase of a breakup,,heal before moving on for the Sake of the Kids

[@harrietkamau6710]

Out of interest how did the older siblings handle mother's rejection. I have a feeling Joshua was the worst affected because of his age. Very young. He reacted by taking revenge over innocent people especially women. The transformation was God's way of healing the innocent child.

[@kibsmuhanguzi6071]

Joshua, Thank you for sharing your story. Out of the tears i shed as you progressed in your tale, allow me say this: first, your grandmum is your father. She has made you through school in the absense of your mum. Number two. I thank God that all these things happened to you so that you may come and share with us. Many lessons learn from your story. Number three. Probably, you would not be what you are now if these things never happened to you. We say that an African man is made from the hardships he endures. Comment from here Entebbe Uganda.

[@teresiawachira1034]

The trauma that affects children, no one understands. It's only God who can heal. I understand him.

[@margiemargie5435]

this why we are encouraged to develop the habit of reading the bible by ourselves and pray for the holy spirit to give us divine understanding, kudos to bro kakai for forgiving mommy and may God bless you abundantly

[@angies.8912]

I can relate, this is a kamba thing called "iweto" If a woman is married and for some reason she can't bear children, she is allowed to find a young lady or say just a lady who would come with her permission to bear children for her. In this case, she will allow that lady to be intimate with her own husband or be granted permission to get kids from whoever man....but the full responsibility of taking care of the children is entirely on this woman who "married"her.... If I got right, the husband "munywoki" had passed on..thay why the grandmum of Joshua "married" a lady(the mum of Joshua) meaning she was allowed to get kids from whoever but the responsibility is taken by the grandma....the reason why Joshua can't tell who the father is... This is tough and can be tough even growing up and things to do with assets... We should ask God for alot of wisdom...and grace Some people have grown through hell growing up and judging them is the least we need to do... And these cultures, then So called Men of God and church misleading....it can be tough. I believe in God and Jesus Christ that gives grace and power to discern and actually transformation of mind that creates a new bring all together.

[@angies.8912]

New being*

[@duduzilesibanda6789]

Thanks ,you have explained well I was not understanding it ..... In our culture we don't have such ,, pastors pray for wisdom

[@angies.8912]

@@duduzilesibanda6789 Sure, Cultures will be there, religion will be, church will be .. But it narrows down to an individual knowing the truth of Jesus, seeking the right guidance...and when you learn you are a victim....you need to brace up to do things right, act right and wear a mentality of transformation.... believing in Jesus more for wisdom n grace...n seeking genuine guidance if you can

[@afriqueus1]

Thanks for explaining this. I have relatives who did this and I have never understood why and the relationships

[@angies.8912]

@@afriqueus1 Thanks. Am not sure about other tribes but hey, it's more in kamba tribe...and not shocking that it's still being embraced by some until today. Another tough one here, you find a man had say three wives...for some reason the young wife..ama one of the wives has just given birth to girls....like no male child ... Now for reasons of assets," I hope you get what I mean* this woman agrees with the husband that she will *marry* another lady so that she can get her male child... Imagine, that *married lady* will either go out there and get children from man...seeking male child... The responsibility of bringing up the children is on this older lady( who had girls only) together with the husband.... The surname of these children take the name of the husband.. Now, see the setup here a mix of siblings and step siblings and these others from *the married woman*.and issue to do with say land or assets. According to culture,they have right to inheritance... It can be such a mix and crazy conflicts say when the husband and wife( who married)... Passes on... I tell you alot of wisdom is required on handling such a situation when some people never chose to be in...they found themselves....

[@janechomba2113]

Lynn you have trained Njosh/interviewer to just be like you. You have God's great favour. I know you are a prayerful woman. You are humble, loving and caring. You have a golden heart. I know you even don't take any Glory when praised but gives it to God who you know has been your aid. Believe me Lynn, God is taking you far!! 🙏 I love you! 💞 ✨ When i saw your interviewer, i guessed he's the one who takes your video, and you are the one now taking it.... ☺ I heard your voice laughing 😂. Good work Lynn. Thumbs up for Lynn wetu. God bless you all.... 🙏

[@Sandy-pv3ch]

I normally don’t comment on social media but this has really touched me and it is going to change my life. “The love I missed ,I will show it to somebody” Thank you so much Lynn &Josh kwa hiyi show 🙏🏻 your big fan from Rwanda 🇷🇼

[@Latifahti]

Always talk to someone when ure at your lowest dear, Kandi urakundwa.

[@ruecarey2036]

Joshua whatever you are going through it's exactly what I went through despite my mum was married but when dad died that when I studied poverty and struggles management I graduated with the first class honour in the one of the worst university called bitterness,unforgiveness, envy,hate and violence 🤦‍♀️as the firstborn we prayed for our much to die and she died 👌we celebrate indeed when others mourned her death 😭😭we got peace and breakthrough when she died and we thank God 🙏 and we still love her and the course I studied 😂😂 will never be used in my life again we healed 🙏and despite given the names as orphans tushazoea kuita yesu dad and mom 10yrs down the line that when we all healed am the happiest lady 😌 ever and always Healing process is the longest way one can ever walk alone coz no one will ever understand you👌

[@doriswanjugu3157]

Ggh

[@nadinendayiziga2740]

I don’t understand how you can say u have celebrated on your Mum’s death and pretending you love her just I just wish you to recognize that you made a mistake to hate her

[@maggiendeto6570]

Oooh Ghosh realy

[@ruecarey2036]

@@nadinendayiziga2740 ata niongee in tongues huezi elewa my mum couldn't heal and her condition wasn't good hosi tulienda zote maombi tukafanya but even her own family disowned her na tulikuwa wadogo so we told God to take her since we were suffering celebration was she rested in peace rather than suffering

[@IamGodsfavourite6518]

I havent even watched all but lemmi say this to the guest as the Lord puts it in my heart.You have an Apostolic &prophetic voice.A voice of Command. I dont know if you have ever been told but if you havent then Find your purpose

[@LynnNgugi]

Amen and Amen:)

[@lydiakisseih5546]

I just love your grandma. Thanks for also showing her live and respecting her. I wish you well and thanks for sharing your experience.

[@4Waridi]

True. He said he has the Mwaki of the Holy Spirit

[@peterkym7054]

Thanks lynn Ngugi for featuring this strong man. Men go through shit and no one cares. Keep looking featuring them. I would actually advise you uache kwanza na story za wanawake for a while

[@marymwololo9450]

We need to have more of these conversations. Many people have been hurt and broken by different churches and church leaders. It is not an attack on the church, the body of Christ, but rather, providing a space for people to speak up about these things.

[@stargate356]

You are not attacking the church Mary Mwololo , the human created churches we have in this world have caused alot of pain and destruction to so many people. You are the church yourself ,just pray for yourself and others. This pastors ,prophets ,prophetesses ,evangelists are worse than Lucifer himself. If you can read your Bible yourself ,just ask the HOLY SPIRIT to grant you wisdom and knowledge of understanding.

[@betty541]

@@stargate356 I hear you, and agree too. I would also add that churches, being essentially a creation of human beings, are not beyond reproach, and the mistakes they make and sins they commit should absolutely be called out. They seem to cause a lot of strife..and for that reason alone, they should be scrutinized as they have a lot of power over a lot of people. Churches and preachers, as much as some may believe so, do not have monopoly over truth and righteousness at all. Infact they have been known to lead a lot of people astray, because they are abusive and toxic to their congregation. How does a church leader advise a mum to abandon her children? How is that godly?

[@penninahnjambi4770]

Our family that was so strong broke up in pieces because of church manenooos

[@stargate356]

@@betty541 it's time people should come out and tell the truth about what they go through in do called church buildings l. The church is you and me not that building, those buildings and denominations were created by luciferians to bring confusion and weaked manipulations against children of GOD.

[@florencekariuki6232]

Go to kameme Njanjo ya muturire they will helps you get your dad all the best destiny is determined by God with God every thing is possible

[@lyn254]

There are people who have gone through tough times you can not imagine, you can feel like an orphan and yet you have a parent/ parents.I am so sorry for Mr Joshua and his siblings for all that they went through. Congrats to the Interviewee for asking the right questions.

[@rosethumbi40]

So true.i grew up feeling so rejected,neglect and abandoned. I decided to embark on healing in life

[@lyn254]

@@rosethumbi40 sorry for that

[@rosethumbi40]

@@lyn254 asante .healing is powerful.it doesn't having both parents makes your childhood journey easy.i had both and lost connection with both..am reparenting myself so that I regain myself and become fully productive

[@BMboss108]

Very true..so sad aki

[@Diana-Andi]

No one knows what the future holds.....mapito huenda yakakuzidi but trust in God hata kama imani imepungua ikabaki kadogo kama casterd seed it will re-direct you to your destiny hallelujah Thanks LNS 4 this Mens Table🙏

[@violetwaswa5340]

Your grandmother is a hero;my God!till all of you have a life? A big up for her greatly. May God keep her for long for you and your children. Hugs to your queen.

[@martinthesource]

Im man enough but i found myself shedding tears uncontrollably. Joshua God proctect you all through .i become your subscriber instantly.

[@winniezack936]

💪💪

[@beatricebolger9824]

This is the most encouraging discussion coming from the deep of the gentleman’s heart. Forgiveness brings peace. Excellent content.

[@ajjruu5390]

Life is a u turn, today u are the most poor tomorrow ur the boss.... God of miracles. I will live to proclaim your Holy name

[@queenesther7578]

Josh, I am so sorry for what you went through, there’s nothing like mother’s love. She was brainwashed and taken advantage to manipulate you guys leave alone abandoning you. Thank God you had a strong grandmother

[@Ndubi254]

I love this men desk and Joshua is doing a very good job! This will make more men come out because they talking with their fellow man! Most times we’ve thought ladies are the ones who are abused or neglected but now through this we all are understanding why some husbands behave the way they do! Thanks Joshua and Lynn for this network

[@soniamatthews3267]

Great idea fr a show Lynn. I admire your skill at Journalism. Talking about men and letting a man host the show. Great job Joshua. Good team work. Keep it up. Love this video. Very interesting and inspiring..

[@annsarahwambui5479]

Joshua has come from far and he si going far...seeing him on the throwbacks and here now...woooow🥰🥰🥰 product of Grace🙏🙏

[@lucykinyua9140]

My God my Lord if there is a story that has made me feel it it's this, May God continue holding joshua and protect him from his enemies, he never deserved to go through this

[@berylleakeycreationshandma1930]

Lyn laughing behind the scenes 🤣🤣🤣 wewe!!!! Josh J karanja and LNN is doing a good job creating a safe space for men to speak up coz they suffer alot in silence...am always looking forward to seeing your videos LNN💜💜💜💜💜💜lots of love from Mwea

[@florenceojowa7706]

Our God is amazing. He was able to change the pain this young man had to an awesome loving husband and daughter. May the Lord forgive people who use the Bible in a wrong way to confuse vulnerable individuals like Joshua’s mother. I love happy endings, and this one was a great one. Kudos

[@carolinemanyonge6697]

This has made me miss my late husband may his beautiful soul rest in peace.Its been 7 years of grief down the line but the pain of loosing him is extreme when my last born (twins) who were 1 year when their dad died ask me about their dad.They never felt the love of their late dad.They as if there brother is there acting dad and when will they have the real dad😭😭😭Meaning they truly miss their dad.He left me with 6children and I have promised them love and be there for them whenever they need me. It's my prayer that they see their dad in me.

[@evelydia]

May the Lord Jesus visit you, heal your pain, wipe your tears and mend your wound. I felt I should send this word to you Caroline.

[@kiplangathesborn8064]

Joshua, comrade back in Kirinyaga university.......you are a strong man

[@pastryshack551]

This family looks so beautifully dress in every picture, one would never know they were living in poverty. I love the grandma with the 2 boys

[@trizahmacharia2939]

They weren't poor

[@josephinemulama6338]

@@trizahmacharia2939 which rich person can go and farm on another person's farm surely

[@shaniquepaul]

Your grandma is a hero 🙏🏿

[@angulaaagula5926]

With Turning with his grandchildren to be heros and useful leaders

[@elizabethkoech2496]

Joshua I can imagine the pain you've gone through. Thank you for allowing yourself to heal and moving on. Nothing is permanent in this life. Taking one step at a time is healthy and signs of growth. God has not finished with you Joshua. Keep staying strong

[@Ruthie-K]

Alot of people including myself have gone through church hurt & it's a topic that no one is actually addressing. I think we all need to talk about it. Some of these churches are destroying lives, some of them are cults, they don't deserve to be called a church of christ & an example of such a church is international churches of christ (ICOC)

[@anngateri2015]

Joshua, everything happens for a reason and for a gold to shine, it has to pass through fire. May God continue shining on your family,s life 🔥🔥. In Jesus mighty Name

[@pendofamily9347]

Wow I just loved the preaching of J.B MASINDE he came to our church on Sunday AIC MILIMANI,,he is on another level 👌 👏

[@eunicewangeci2380]

One day i will tell my story too. Going through the same and i tell you its the hardest place to be in life. The confusion, anger that comes with this is just unbelieveable

[@eunicewanjiku3527]

Be strong and maybe you find peace,just try and speak out.

[@eunicewangeci2380]

@@eunicewanjiku3527 Thank you

[@janetmbogo5264]

I love the genuineness in Joshua that he is not ashamed if how they were born. The end of the matter is better. The lord has great things for you as he heals your heart.

[@jlmchannel5579]

I'm glad to see men come out and talk their hearts out. Good work Lynn❤️

[@hellenmwendwa8129]

Joshua is a ministry friend. I thank the Lord for His healing.

[@bishopkallen2807]

There is No illegitimate child on earth.pastors should have full knowledge of word of God.

[@masaiwangaa1216]

"Actually not all churches they feel so happy when they see the greatness future of our children" people should note that Most especially these churches which they laying hands on our heads, most of them may cause alot of uncountable situation

[@elleyonaspg9580]

When they lay their hands on your head, and pray in strange tongues, they are sometimes praying curses on you by confusing your "ori." Ori; your place of discernment, your site of connection to the divine; the residence of your organ of intelligence. DO NOT LET ANYONE PLACE THEIR HANDS ON YOUR ORI OR YOU CHILDREN'S ORI, MORE IMPORTANTLY, BECAUSE IT IS STILL IN A PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.

[@masaiwangaa1216]

@@elleyonaspg9580 exactly

[@Gemhaul1911]

Exactly, why the heck would anyone anyway let someone place hands on them for prayer? Learn to create your own relationship with God. Pray to God directly by yourself. Have a one one one talk just you and God. You don’t need someone else pray on your behalf but your parents and siblings. To pray for you, not putting hands on you.

[@chosenstella7937]

Respect to the strong mothers who never abandoned their children no matter what! A mother to a child must be a strongest relationship that doesn't suppose to be brocken by any thing.

[@WanjiruMuya]

What i love about this platform is that we learn something new about different traditions 😍Wow!!!!

[@nancymugera5971]

The LORD is faithful. I love the transformation coming out of a painful past. Joshua, you are a great inspiration to many who have faced rejection from people who should have protected them. Keep ministering the good news of forgiveness and restoration. God bless you

[@irenepeter248]

This story is so breaking i just remember how 2years ago my husband got into a certain church and he completely changed, ended up leaving me and the kids for another woman and the worst part is he has never been bothered by his own blood.. it really pains to see men reject their own. so many people have been brainwashed in the name of church.. may God help his people.

[@faithkamanthe3286]

Waaaah ☺️😊🙂 poleee

[@sharonliana5631]

First time I'm watching the host and I already love his style of hosting and interviewing: good to see LNS grow

[@evelynenduta205]

I pray that we could have more men fighting for their families not against as the society has taught us. Men are still vulnerable and we ought to pray n support, love them

[@elinduku5178]

Joshua, you are destined for greatness!!! May God bless your grandma with a long life, she's a rare gem🙏🙏🙏

[@doreenmwenda939]

You can't convince a believer of anything, for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.

[@lucywanjiru1427]

You were chosen from the beginning my brother and I'm so glad that you found the path of truth. Much grace to you and your family.

[@Ndubi254]

Men please open up and share that’s how you will heal and help someone! I was watching a clip about a kisii man at Keroka area who was going through “depression” Haki akapelekwa hos and the dr gave medication and released him home after the wife worked so hard to take him there! It didn’t take long before he almost killed the wife but managed to burn the house with him and kids inside! Maybe this man was going through a lot and didn’t open up to anyone.

[@CK-ps7sm]

I feel for you Kakai,its so painful to be rejected by loved ones over flimsy reasons it's a pain that lasts a long time.

[@rogamediakenya4832]

“There should be no boundaries to human endeavor. We are all different. However bad life may seem, there is always something you can do, and succeed at. While there’s life, there is hope.”

[@collettumbo8972]

Thanks Joshua for such a powerful message. May the lords favour be with you. unfortunately there are some dad's who are irresponsible no matter how hard you try to link them with their kid's they are ever on the run.

[@idawairimu7093]

Waaa.. Very strange.. The guy is very mature. He has gone thru difficulty but God has been always in control.

[@elizabethnjeri5650]

Yes it's about time we speak up,,this churches this men women of clothes 😔 my story I was left in church 4years without going to my home,,I was turned to a slave in that church,,the woman said I don't go school 🙄 because holy spirit said so,,, story for another day 😭😭 That's why we are here to speaketh

[@marynjenga6378]

What! Hii ni church kweli ?

[@elizabethnjeri5650]

@@marynjenga6378 Yes it was back in 90's Ilisha yote Thu story il narrate one day

[@eunicewangeci2380]

Hiyo story ya holy spirit said weeh. What my family is going through juu aliambiwa holy spirit imesema wawachane na my dad and that he is a wich and we should also avoid him.

[@daughterofzion4157]

Awesome!! This story is the True Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ came to call the broken hearted to the light of Yeshua Hamashiah.

[@annemaina8141]

One day I will share my story too. How the church messed up our lives. I'm yet to heal and pray one day to gather the courage to talk it out. For now my tears and the pain in my heart are all I have.

[@zaweriahchege6480]

May you heal in Jesus name.Amen.

[@tinamukami5509]

🫂

[@annwahome1427]

I'm sorry dear and may the LORD GOD heal you in JESUS NAME

[@annemaina8141]

@@annwahome1427 thanks you Ann.

[@josephinemukundi]

Anne.........it's unfortunate dat what shud hv brot healing caused pain.....reach out.....speak up....trade ua tears & pain for joy & wellness.....🙏

[@jnjugu10]

what I have come to learn is that abandonment and rejection from a mother hurts deeper more than anything else.

[@stargate356]

Very true

[@evelynbrenda7373]

This can be mended..but it still hurts deeply. Thumbs up Joshua

[@phionahmbugua2168]

We are used to be abandoned by dads, coz you can get as many dads in life, but a mum never.

[@phionahmbugua2168]

Mermaid gown, did you hear that , she is sent from the sea.

[@marcykageha5413]

True

[@felistusfrancis2353]

In our language they call that marriage IWETO.The lady marries another lady to bare children for her.

[@immaculatendinda3900]

@@duduzilesibanda6789 th woman married to this barren woman is allowed to sleep with anyone provided she brings kids inth house...ataulizwa ametoa wapi watoto...

[@bujake956]

Jesu! How now? I have never seen a woman paying dowry for another woman

[@janekamondo1991]

@@bujake956 This was very common in almost all tribes in Africa . Even among the kikuyus.When a married woman was barren.She was traditionally allowed to "marry" another woman to bear children for her .The tricky thing is that the children were not allowed to know their father officially.The woman who "married" their mother was refered to by the children as "grand mother" but she played the role of their father in terms of providing for them.I also hear she sometimes dictated the man who would sire the children with" her wife" This man/men would not claim the children cos they belonged to the one who paid the dowry ;their "grandmother". When Joshua talks about two grandmothers,he is referring to the maternal grandmother and the one who paid dowry for their mother and provided for their needs and is still alive. This is one of the many African traditions that has silently died with modernity.

[@janekamondo1991]

See my reply below

[@MY-uf9ws]

You are a great man!! God bless you Thank God that is healing you. These false pastors must be confronted and tell him how much he had hunted you and children Your mom loved you and we can see it.

[@mama-pace2454]

I really don't understand how bad many so called men of God has mislead people and still doing today. It's possible all the misleading led to her early death....

[@esternghipondoka5686]

I'm proud of you Joshua. You are blessed. Keep that positive strong spirit and maintain that Christ like character.

[@mercykamau1251]

I love the way Karanja started with the word of God

[@tokozanimazvimbakupa5450]

Joshua you are a blessing to this generation. May God continue to guide you and your family

[@normaexlore]

Listening to his story, his mother was vulnerable but because they were children they never saw that side, she was brainwashed by the pastor and his cult , sadly the whole family suffered

[@hotnews7053]

Joshua munyoki, we went in the same university. You are blessed

[@ednakabuna1457]

It's so painful facing rejection from a parent especially a mom

[@robertodundo2269]

Joshua is a strong person. He survived lack of mum's love trauma. Some people do not survive or recover from such a trauma.

[@gladysosoro8775]

Its his voice for me ...may God grant you peace.and prosperity

[@alicekogi5109]

On behalf of all mothers...children kindly forgive us.Joshua you are God's chosen

[@wangowalydia2128]

Hugs to everyone who feels rejected by their loved ones,I think it's the most painful thing one can go through

[@sandranakacwa2669]

Me

[@linetkathure6189]

Sure

[@iswinfred8631]

Great interviewer keep it up 👏👏👏Am so sorry for what you went through Joshua

[@kevinchirchir9713]

This is inspiring, 360 degrees transformation, everything is possible and God is faithful when you abide by Him. Amen

[@jeniffermbatha7010]

That grandma was a wise woman, Joshua you passed through pain and neglect from a very tender age when you needed the love of your mum, forgive her and may her soul continue resting in peace

[@janewerikhe9528]

Heal your own way Joshua, its painful to get rejection from your own mother

[@nonoechibs2775]

What a testimony 🙌👏Josh may the Lord continue to use yu and bless your family

[@africanawang2674]

Unfortunately, it's like the devil is mostly found in church. To abandon and reject your own flesh and blood is devilish. Watu wa Mungu chunganeni na manabii was uongo wenye wamejaa kanisani wakijiita mapasta

[@winikal81]

One of the most healing story I've heard in a while. Traditions of men can really destroy especially when mixed with Godly things. It forms a religion that destroys. “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavily burdened [by religious rituals that provide no peace], and I will give you rest [refreshing your souls with salvation]. Matthew 11:28 AMP Wa Christo! Hebu we remove yokes of religion so that we speak peace and healing

[@marykaranja4329]

Karanja,the man who refuses to walk on the same road with a comb 🤣

[@omondimillicent2736]

I love that part 😂😂

[@motlalepulemathuloe9733]

Very painful 💔😭I wish my daughter could tell me what I really did to her, while I am still alive. Cause I am still trying to figure what is it that I did wrong. Sad to c how we inflict pain with words or actions without realizing it. 😭😭😭

[@irinemugambi2048]

I love this strong and loving grand mother,from heart she see these are really her blessed grand children

[@julietwachera7254]

I love this men talk show, Lynn be blessed for starting this platform for men to share their stories. Josh, the interviewer, doing fantastic job. Joshua, see what God can do,you are blessed. Thanks for sharing your story.

[@Emma-xf7xi]

Sometimes mothers become toxic because they do not know how to love their children as they may not have been prepared for them. In the other hand, some mothers just dont have maternal instincts even though biological connected. I have a story to tell as l have a mother who never knew how to be a mother as she was a child herself when she had me. It's hard on a child as you yearn for this person you look up to as your mother to just love you and show that they care. Thanks for sharing your story. Great interview!

[@esthermutua4033]

Joshua is a strong man.i know how it feels to be rejected by your own mother.Have been trying so hard to creat good relationship with my mother but all is in vain. She is always talking ill about me,she says my kind Is a trash in her homestead,trying to get over it doesn't work.My father is always on my side and I appreciate that though still there is a gap when there is no mother's love.Joshua you are a strong man.

[@evamunde517]

Joshua you are a Gentleman. I very much admire you ❤ . You are a Great inspiring Hubby and a daddy to yr daughter . Thank JK ON BEHAVE OF LN SHOW for hosting Pro Joshua. You are a Legend 👍

[@lydiahnduta]

Waah deep in life he makes life beautiful no situation is permanent The God i serve is faithful Jesus Christ....

[@IamGodsfavourite6518]

I talked of you voice just by hearing your introduction.i didnt even know whether you are born again or not but after watching the whole show all i can say is that you were born for greatness.You have a Voice of Command.May God bless all you do

[@wanjiku28]

Behind every cloud ☁️ , there is a silver lining. Glory be to God because Our journey in this life is in His Holy Hands. He Navigates our lives according to His plans for Us. regardless how long it takes. Every Disappointment is God's Appointment.🙏

[@monicawangari4405]

The storry begins the mum was brought to have kids for another woman key reason...the grandmother raised them well being the woman who wanted children...we should learn alot from these the source in the beginning the start of the family...the mum was a surrogate.the grandmother was the mum who wanted the children.I always pray that God intervenes on behalf of all innocent children suffering in the name of family set ups.

[@annmonicah3625]

Is this a family setup ?how?

[@bridgettkariuki9056]

This is heart breaking. Looks like he is still hurting from the past.

[@salomemueni100]

Interviewer I love you for free...you are so very good listener and keenly on what to ask...no interruption as quest talks...thank you and keep going higher... 🙏

[@pheladinare2876]

Very touching and inspirational may God continue to bless you and always know that God is the father to the fatherless and may you find closure in finding your dad. Maybe you should mention your date of birth for him or people around him to connect the missing dots. May God bless you!

[@el_bethelcreations.]

Your grandmother was wise ❤️

[@shishrembo5251]

selena gomez said..we used to be close but people can go from people you know to people you dont and what hurt the most those people can go from people you know to people you dont...many of us know that feeling