The Complete Failure of Spider-Man: Lotus

[@TheNerdWithASuit]

I think other people put it best where I've seen, so I wanna say it here: I think the lesson from Spider-Man: Lotus is that creating a piece of art purely and only based on spite is a terrible idea. Now granted there are cases where artists do want to make rebuttals or secret middle fingers to other people or pieces of art they didn't like such as with Paul Verhoven's take on Starship Troopers. BUT first of all directors like Verhoven usually know what they're doing AND the middle-finger isn't the only point there. The point was to make a passionate and meaningful satire and tell his audience that jingoistic fascistic governments are terrible ideas. Lotus seems to be all about a man wanting to seem special by crapping all over Webb and Watts's attempts, but he doesn't seem to have a drive other than that. It's covered in references to what he seems to think is "real Spider-Man" but it's clear from the direction, technical failings, and execution that there was little to it than that. I'm reminded of this artist I see from time to time who does fanart of his own designs of She-Ra using the Dreamworks style that's also a crossover with Star Wars. Now, I think a She-Ra meets Star Wars story sounds like it can be awesome, but the stories he's putting out aren't that unique, and a lot of the attention seems to be how he's shipping his male OC's with Adora and Catra. And then I saw him and other social media posts and he says he thinks it's awful that they "changed" Adora and Catra's sexualities. I think there's similarities with that and Lotus. It's an artist who has potential and resources at his hand to make something unique and meaningful, but it's all wasted just to spite the diversity and LGBTQIA love letter that is the reboot he hates. And ironically, both of them miss the point of the franchise. Gavin doesn't seem to get why Peter Parker picking himself in his stories is so engaging, and this artist I see doesn't seem to understand Masters of the Universe has always been a big symbol of gay fantasy since it began in the eighties. Bottom line, if you're going to make a fan film or fanfic just do it because you want to do it. Because you're passionate about something other than hatred for how other people did it. My dream would be to make an Indiana Jones and Carmen Sandiego team up adventure movie series, but I would want to do that because I really do love both characters and think the two of them together can explore great themes and complex ideas together. I would never make it because I want to get revenge on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or whatever.

[@ChimeraFilms]

I'm gonna pin this because it's really well written, but also feels like a response to a lot of comments I've gotten defending the movie and calling me a hater. Of course I hate Lotus. I'm hating it because it clearly came from a place of hate, and lacks identity while mocking the identity of other, better projects with the same character

[@TheNerdWithASuit]

@@ChimeraFilms My second video essay I'm working on as of now is about the 1998 Tri-Star Godzilla remake, and originally, my third was gonna be an analysis of King Kong the game and Aliens: Colonial Marines, but now, I think all this stuff about Lotus and the deeper and bigger messages it says about fan culture in general will be my third instead. I also wanna try and gage with how Gavin's yikesy beliefs shape the approach and framing of this movie. This doesn't get brought up too much, but if another set of his DM's that leaked are also real, he said a lot of misogynistic stuff regarding his actresses. Blaming them and their inability to do what men can do on why stuff was going wrong. And I think having that in mind while looking at how he allows Peter to treat MJ in this film, and MJ at the end is just okay with it is very telling.

[@flowerprower]

first time ive ever subbed to someone from a comment alone this was so well spoken

[@TheNerdWithASuit]

@@flowerprower Thanks! Check out the She-Ra essay if you would like! Just me talking and analyzing everything about a fantastic show!

[@johnoconnell5004]

Judging by how He-Man dresses in Masters of the Universe, it's pretty much obviously gay. (No hate tho. Just saying my opinion.)

[@scrubyt2668]

This movie truly feels like he just watched the MCU Spider-Man and thought "this movie isn't like the Rami movies" then tried to make his own Rami movie without understanding why they are so beloved

[@ChimeraFilms]

Agreed

[@alucardomalvadosyasociados5399]

There's actually a case exactly like that in the Dragon Ball community with the fan made continuation of Z, Dragon Ball AF and it's creator Tablos.

[@aidanshowers8366]

@@alucardomalvadosyasociados5399 really. I didn’t know the creator of AF was like that, I was only aware of the creator of dragon ball rage having such a mentality.

[@Z3RO5286]

​@@alucardomalvadosyasociados5399kakumaei is really good tho. I wish it was canon in dragon Ball super.

[@davidpalillero29]

That’s what he did

[@eddiediaz5518]

That scene with Peter and MJ seemed more like the actor was portraying Walter White rather than Peter Parker. Seriously, all those insults to her felt like Walter belittling Jesse

[@ChimeraFilms]

STOP, THAT'S SO ACCURATE

[@kelelwhite64]

Bro no lie

[@WEYYYY874]

Agreed, like WHY was that included in the movie? just felt cruel to watch.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Hell yeah

[@johnoconnell5004]

Peter be like: I'm not in danger, MJ. I am the danger. I am the one who knocks!

[@NealFowler]

i just cant get over how for as much game the director talked, he seemingly forgot that spiderman is supposed to be an exciting series where everyone isn't a miserable git the entire time.

[@Butwhythough881]

I’ve heard people try to say that this film perfectly encapsulates the John Romita Sr comics. Like really?? These people who think they understand this character haven’t picked up a comic

[@parkb5320]

The thing is, in the movie these four aren’t even friends. In the beginning Gwen acts like she hates Peter because he is always late and always has a lame excuse. Peter and Harry don’t really get along at all. And Peter didn’t like MJ. What’s the point? How are any of these people friends when on screen we just see them argue, fight and display open disgust over each other?

[@ChimeraFilms]

Absolutely something I forgot to mention

[@Pero-zl4jp]

Sounds like a normal friend group ig where everyone hates each other but nobody wants to restart.

[@BelBelle468]

@@Pero-zl4jp even if it was realistic, things need to be different if they want any emotional reaction or investment from the audience. If they were friendly with one another, and then they started hating each other after the accident it’s sad cuz it’s from a place of grief. If they hated each other, and then came together after the death cuz they realized how they took each other for granted, then it’s sad and bittersweet. Also, realistically reactions to death would cause some significant change psychologically. But since this movie doesn’t depict that, it’s very unrealistic. They fail to explore the consequences of death, leading to a meaningless film.

[@1-Cørps-1]

Sounds like my family's relationship! 😂

[@aidanshowers8366]

Gavin broke the number 1 rule of making a fan project, making it from a place of love for a character or franchise. Not a desire to “show the studios how it’s done”. Which unfortunately I don’t think fan projects for a lot of characters and franchises are leaning towards the later and not the former.

[@ChimeraFilms]

I do think that's kind of a microcosm of internet discourse has led to toxic fans feeling ownership of their favorite characters, but that's a topic for a whole other video

[@Zakaria3400]

@@ChimeraFilms Sadly I'm afraid you right.

[@Butwhythough881]

Gavin’s spiteful mindset for making this movie despite his lack of filmmaking experience, possibly even expertise, really reminded me of the guy who made Manos: The Hands of Fate, who had an even more shrouded mindset that was essentially “anyone can do what Hollywood can do.”

[@sumthingwikked4257]

​@@ChimeraFilmscan you repeat that to Star Wars fans? Or is this a double down situation, end of conversation?

[@ChimeraFilms]

Trust me, Star Wars fans are getting a whole video dedicated to the toxic bullshit that made me stop loving the franchise in 2024

[@KevynKing]

I'd like to mention Spider-Man: Cake Day, made by the people over at Corridor. It's set in the 60s, is less than 10 minutes and perfectly encapsulates Spider-Man and how something as little as making sure MJ has a cake on her birthday becomes a huge challenge because of his great responsibility. Highly recommend.

[@ChimeraFilms]

I've seen it. It's great. Wish Corridor still did shit like that

[@Butwhythough881]

Cake Day is still the GOAT. There’s another Spider-Man fan series that looks cool called Monsters of Manhattan. It’s not out yet but it looks pretty cool and seems to be trying something unique instead if just adapting a comic one to one.

[@dropoutbear9775]

God I hope the joke never dies. Seeing “broke me” on a thumbnail never fails to make me giggle

[@dreadfulkekz]

Same Donna

[@CaptainChapin]

Is it a hi top joke?

[@aryan7767]

hitopfilms is sooo melodramatic, but i love him for it. i know a lot of people just make fun of his spiderman videos but his video about his background and his life made me respect him so much. he is such an ambitious and hardowring person

[@dreadfulkekz]

@@CaptainChapin yea Donna😂

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

​@@aryan7767amen

[@theonefreeman7157]

Lotus felt like a movie made just to try and one-up the other Spidey directors. It failed to find its unique identity (which Raimi, Webb, Watts have)

[@ChimeraFilms]

100% agreed

[@ebaugh7320]

I agree with you, I'm not someone who looks at something bad with a high budget and think to myself "I can do better than that

[@SlimKim3]

​@@ebaugh7320this film is another example on what happens when fans think they can do better and are given money

[@FookMi69]

_"The Grand Wizard of the Spider-Klan VS The Green Groomer"_ LMAO

[@TheMayhemMutant9047]

I find it funny that the person who made this a Spidey fan but yet missed the point of every character.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Honestly, it's kind of impressive

[@thatoneguy52884]

I laughed harder than any joke said in the mcu when you said the "grand wizard of the spider clan" and "the green groomer" man you earned my sub 😂

[@ChimeraFilms]

Glad someone laughed at my dark humor!

[@langleymneely]

I second this!

[@concept5631]

​@@ChimeraFilms Spider-Klan and Green Groomer. Truly the greatest iconic duo.

[@optillian4182]

Never gets old

[@Jhoofnail]

I gotta say, your commit “not feeling so good” joke was better Spider-Man writing than the entire lotus movie. Great review

[@ChimeraFilms]

Appreciate it. And I use that joke all the time with my friends, so I'm glad putting it in a video worked out well

[@Cainimates]

I really hope the criticism from Lotus don’t scare people from making fan-films. Just a thought.

[@theonlyethanhiroshiki]

I just hope that the criticism tells them what to do and not to do when making a fan-film.

[@Adamairball]

@@theonlyethanhiroshiki I agree with both. As someone who has ambitions with making fan films, this video taught me some more things on what to do and what not to do when it comes to directing, writing, and acting.

[@ChimeraFilms]

I completely agree. My philosophy when making this video was specifically to not criticize it with the same scrutiny that I would with any other fan film. My attitude is "if you think you can make something better than the Hollywood movies, I'm gonna treat it like a Hollywood movie."

[@busdriverguy]

I doubt it will because evwn with the critisism he got mainly positivw feedback for the most part, same as the guy that did Superman Solar

[@t_ed2521]

I hope it scares racists from making fan-films.

[@JCoolPlays]

To quote Green Goblin: *My lawyer has advised me not to finish this joke*

[@ChimeraFilms]

Misery, misery, misery, that's what you've chosen.

[@PinBBro]

i played the symbiote suit theme from spider-man 3 over the clip of peter lambasting mj at the graveyard and it fit so insanely well to the point of musical stings tying with what was being said and i cant get over that

[@ChimeraFilms]

As God intended

[@busdriverguy]

The fact that instead of losing the car chase scene completely he kept it in super unfinished(vfx quit by this time) showed me how little he really cared about the final product.

[@busdriverguy]

@@Iobsterpeterson id stop caring eventually too if there was a big angry mob

[@davidpalillero29]

@@Iobsterpetersonhe released it because he wanted to show off how better he could make a Spider-Man film than the mcu, which he failed miserably

[@spidey_7100]

​@@davidpalillero29he never claimed that lil bro

[@naveenmichaels]

@@spidey_7100he did claimed it lil bro

[@langleymneely]

As someone that actually loves the MCU Spiderman trilogy but knew nothing about this guys vocal disdain for the MCU, this is one of the most hilarious “hold my beer” moments! “Those corporate professional filmmaking bastards don’t know what they’re doing! I’ll show THEM!” LMAO! Regardless of what your intentions are when you are a first time director making a “small” budgeted independent fan film NEVER EVER prop yourself up for comparison against other professional productions, I don’t care if you think it’s the worst film ever made you are setting yourself up for SPECTACULARLY SENSATIONAL & AMAZING disaster!

[@ChimeraFilms]

It's a great lesson for first-time independent filmmakers and fan filmmakers in general. In the words of Daffy Duck: Know your role

[@crimsonstormsurge]

I actually really like the mcu shows but probably cause Peter was a teenager in the animated kids shows so I associate him more to that age despite him being an adult in the comics

[@Harrysatt]

Especially since this is his first film. Your first film should be a short that not many people would see. It shouldn't be something big with a social media fanfare since you wouldn't have the experience to make something to match the hype.

[@langleymneely]

@@Harrysatt Exactly, experience no matter how small collectively makes you a better artist over time.

[@langleymneely]

@@crimsonstormsurge I always find it ironic because his origin is straight up what if a teenager was a superhero but because of other mediums most people view Peter as an adult.

[@grbhighlights9401]

I’ve never had such a hard time watching something. Maybe it was just the scenes I was in for but they felt like they went on forever and ever.

[@ChimeraFilms]

I truly think the experience would've been better with alcohol.

[@edviza1935]

I’ve said some pretty messed up things out of anger but like goddamn Peter you gotta calm down MJ just tryna help

[@ChimeraFilms]

That man said that shit with his whole chest too. Unforgiveable

[@LavonteTM01272]

G bruh, like, I aint no symbiote in this movie😂he probably wouldn’t even use the symbiote because it’s black😂😂

[@LarryXLR]

The personality of Spiderman Lotus makes Symbiote Spiderman look like Baby Groot.

[@Entertainer13]

"The Grand Wizard of the Spider-Klan and the Green Groomer" I had to pause the video. Almost had a heart attack from laughing so hard.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Glad that joke is a resonant point for a lot of people

[@TheRoomforImprovement]

As an aspiring filmmaker fresh out of college, whenever I feel like I’m not getting anywhere in my career, I look at stuff like spider-Man lotus to remind myself that it could be worse

[@ChimeraFilms]

Amen

[@Zap_Arts]

"The Green Groomer." HAHAHA 🤣

[@ChimeraFilms]

I wish I could take credit for that joke lol

[@langleymneely]

I choked on my food while laughing at that! Too funny!😂

[@shealupkes]

the idea that this was worse than mcu's peter parker sounds impressive actually

[@ChimeraFilms]

As someone who likes MCU Spidey, it is impressive.

[@brawler5760]

At least Tom Holland can emote, unlike Warden Wayne.

[@CadentClock39]

Even if the twist was taken away by revealing the kids terminal illness early on, I still have to praise the kids acting selling his fear to the real awful Spider-Man. Him just saying how scared he is to go to sleep, so terrified of not waking up the next morning genuinely got to me. I believed him. It doesn't excuse the removal of the twist element, but still gotta shoutout that kids acting. It was great.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Oh yeah, he fuckin nailed it, 100%

[@boldone66]

It's hilarious that everything redeemable from the movie was outside of Gavin's reach as a director/writer The suits The CGI The perfomances (especially with Gavin apparently making fun of Harry's actor and Mj's actress)

[@ChimeraFilms]

Accurate

[@Benji568]

I agree that the aesthetic was all over the place. Having green colours whenever Harry was on screen was very on the nose and not subtle at all. Also I 100% understand why the costuming for Peter, Gwen and in lesser exstent Harry felt like it was vintage and from the 70s, it's because that's what they wore in those comics and I guess it was his way of paying homage to them but it really does come off as very fan-service-y which I normally don't mind if it's done in the right way. Also the tape recorder was what Peter used as a message to Gwen in "Spider-Man Blue" by Jeph Loeb which this is heavily based on along with "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man" in the second half of the film but yeah, if GJK modernised it a bit, it would not have felt dated.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Yeah, I get that they're paying homage to older material, and I do appreciate that, but it doesn't work with a lot of the more modern sensibilities of the rest of the movie. It's jarring when the movie features Peter watching a video on his Macbook, but ends with him using a tape recorder.

[@justoneguy2487]

There's a way of paying homage to the older costumes while keeping the fashion style modern.

[@Benji568]

@justoneguy2487 Oh yeah, the Spidey suit was sick don't get me wrong.

[@justoneguy2487]

@@Benji568 I was referring to the casual wear that Peter, Gwen etc wore

[@johnoconnell5004]

Fun fact: The creative team behind Spider-Man Blue are the same people who made the following Batman books: The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Haunted Knight.

[@RobAyling]

I completely agree with your breakdown of the film - solid review - also, your reaction to the Rubix cube moment was hilarious

[@ChimeraFilms]

Glad you liked it! And I'm gonna be thinking about that Rubix cube bit for the rest of my life

[@DavidRYates-tk2tq]

I really hate that the first fight in this movie has Spider-Man getting people killed by using them as human shields to protect himself from Shocker's blasts.

[@thatjackass1403]

This movie felt like it had the story beats down but non of the heart and charisma or entertainment value of an actual spiderman story

[@ChimeraFilms]

Fully agreed

[@TheNerdWithASuit]

You predicting the green Rubix cube made me laugh out my lung, oh my god...

[@ChimeraFilms]

Well put that shit back in, you gotta go talk about She-Ra some more

[@TheNerdWithASuit]

@@ChimeraFilms Oh, almost done with the video and check the comments soon. I'm gonna be typing something else that involves that lesbian princess masterpiece...

[@fulcrum6760]

Vader, Spiderman Lotus and Superman Solar is the unholy trinity of made with spite.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Amen

[@fulcrum6760]

@@ChimeraFilms Soon we’re gonna racist Luke Skywalker and the cycle is complete.

[@thehondrascrew4864]

I just remembered that aunt may is no where present in the movie like Omg what a waste 💀💀💀

[@ChimeraFilms]

I had the same thought! Very strange that a movie focuses on Peter's guilt and sense of self-worth doesn't feature his mother figure to comfort or reassure him

[@puffpuffpassmako]

Regarding the Harry scenes, it DEFINITELY gave the tone they were building to something. I genuinely thought Harry was going to slowly start losing his mind and become the Green Goblin in the end. In comics that's EXACTLY what happens. Harry had an addiction prior due to wanting to fit in with the jocks, and the loss of gwen and his father made him worse, eventually he ODs after figuring out his dad was the goblin and snaps. The fact this film didn't even HINT at something like this just wasted so much potential. If I was directing this movie, Harry's descent into the Green Goblin would have been the sub plot.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Honest to God, I think I would've preferred if it was a Harry Osborn fan film about how he coped with Gwen and Norman's deaths and how that pushes him down the path of the Goblin

[@brodstarpadpen6949]

Wait is that not what happens??? I knew nothing about this movie but seeing all the egregious green motifs with Harry I assumed that's what was going to happen?? Like why else would there be so much green around him, and that they've obviously watched spectacular spiderman where that happens. Jeez even when they have the opportunity to do something handed to them in a platter they don't do it

[@warknightxl2167]

In my personal opinion, Spider-Man Lotus sucks so bad, I do not consider it to be "better" than MCU Spider-Man. No. I think MCU Spider-Man is spectacular and better than Gavin's take on Spider-Man.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Amen

[@BrickFighter13]

Gavin’s take on Peter Parker is just god awful, like we’re supposed to like him, not hate him right? Why did he make him so…..excuse my french, but why did he make him such a jackass?!

[@ruggiebuggie3195]

Character A: "I'm sad." Character B: "Is it because our friend is dead?" Character A: "YOUR friend?! She was MY friend!!! I'M SADDER THAN YOU!" (Storms off and slams door)

[@gren8te319]

17:32 the black jacket with white in the middle makes this seem even more like the symbiote is making peter say this shit

[@mixanderfigueroa3999]

It’s ironic how this guy wanted to make a film that was “better” than MCU Spider-Man yet in the process he only made MCU Spider-Man look better by comparison.

[@dsithefirst]

I am 100% sure that when gavin was writing the story, he simply placed the concept of spider man on the floor and did a 360 no scope taco bell shit on it

[@ChimeraFilms]

That analogy is funny as fuck, imma start using that

[@langleymneely]

He said “the grand wizard of the Spider klan and the Green Groomer”!? IM DEAD!!!😂🤣😂

[@ChimeraFilms]

And I'll say it again too, with my gotdamn chest

[@SnagTheRabbit]

Having green appear everywhere whenever Harry is on screen feels like the director just discovered what color theory was for the first time.

[@rogueguardian]

Also to throw this out there, I LOVE the MCU Trilogy flaws and all I also completely understand why some don't but i still gladly get along with fans i don't agree with because at the end of the day we all love this character and THAT should be what's most important. Not trying to "prove your better" but to show that you care.

[@AlwaysEliite]

I feel like the casting for the movie is spot on. They all **LOOK** like the characters, but peters acting comes across as wooden. I think its kind of a mistake or really hard to make you care for characters in their first appearance in A FAN FILM when their mourning. I felt like the flash back sequences on peters laptop looked more interesting than what was actually going on in the movie. MJ and Harry kinda carried the movie for me mostly, and I think a conversation (lets pretend MJ knows hes spider-man or finds out) with MJ helping Peter to decide to see the kid and act happy and Tim seeing somethings off about Spider-Man and the both of them helping eachother through their fear would be nice. Trim down 30-40 minutes. Overall the movie has good intentions but you definitely see the mistakes of it being Gavins first film... and as for the contraversy... just be better in the future and dude needs to seriously do a better job of managing his crew and maybe he needs a mentor considering how much attention this movie got. I think he can do better in the future. 6.8/10.

[@BelBelle468]

It’s so funny you say that cuz the directors claimed the girls gave bad performances. And yet apparently one of them carried the movie. Shows what they know.

[@anciantnagha]

​@@BelBelle468 Was gonna comment this. Lol, imagine being a director and disrespecting your actors. That's like one of the most unprofessional things I've ever seen

[@roscoroxgaming]

I'm actually confused here. For a film that shows how Peter was trying to deal with trauma and loss, where tf was Aunt May? I'd say this movie sucked even more without having an Aunt May to comfort Peter and help him deal with what he was going through, but I guess it turns out Gavin forgot to include her in the script. This is entirely the first piece of Spider-Man media I've ever seen without an Aunt May. Hell, even the Spider-Verse movies had her and Peter wasn't even the main character.

[@bigmon5757]

Tbh i feel like gavin trying so hard to be better than the mcu Spider-Man is kind of sad because every la very of Spider-Man tried something different

[@ChimeraFilms]

Honestly, I think that's what this movie was missing narratively. He spent so much effort to outdo another version of Spider-Man that he forgot to give this one any sort of real identity. If you're only making art comparatively, I don't think you should be making art.

[@amaiz100]

I feel like the best way to have adapted this story would've been to adapt Spider-Man Blue and use that as the base for talking about most of the stories that were tackled. And along with that, what Gwen tweeted would've made this movie a better experience.

[@theraymunator]

It kinda sounds like Gavin wanted to make Spider-Man Blue without ever actually reading Spider-Man Blue

[@DiamondBatToons]

Now that this film exists, I don't want to hear ANY, AAAAAAANY Hate towards the MCU OR SPIDER-MAN!

[@ChimeraFilms]

Y'know, I can still respect people who don't like MCU Spidey. I understand the grievances. I just don't wanna hear people who think they can do better ever again.

[@gabigote1439]

​@@ChimeraFilmsits funny Now ive seen people genuelly thinking that ffh and tasm2 aren that bad as they tought after seeing this movie XD

[@emiofnnc]

Mcu is still dogshit rn except on a bigger budget.

[@DiamondBatToons]

@@ChimeraFilms true. I should've rephrased.

[@enol1466]

@@gabigote1439 ffh is pretty bad. just cux u can't make something similar with way less money doesn't mean they understand it any less

[@alexmendez4606]

I have a similar vibe to Cosmonaut Variety Hour,who also did an awesome tear down of this movie, in that even if I don’t like something in my franchise, I don’t like to say that I could do better than the pros who do this for a living. Because I’m not a filmmaker or writer, and even if I was, I probably would still suck somehow. Shame that Gavin couldn’t feel the same way, and that this whole thing was just him believing he could be much better than the professionals, nor did he realize that he wasn’t talented enough to make this attempt in the first place and did it anyway. Also, as a Spidey fanboy since being a toddler, I love all the Spider Man movies, especially the MCU Spider-Man.

[@skysiren4113]

What I hate the most about this film (and certain hardcore Spider-man fans) is that they completely missed the point on why Spider-man is considered to be one on of the greatest superheroes of all time A lot of these fans think its cause of the tragedy and struggles Spider-man to the point where any story that focuses on his pain is the greatest character writing of all time. It's kinda creepy how much they focus and obsessed over it. But the real reason why Spider-man is so beloved is that despite the pain and loss he goes though, he still is compassionate, kind and dedicated to protecting people. He could've easily gave up after loosing Uncle Ben, Gwen or any other character, but he knew that it wouldn't be right for him or the people he loves. He still grieves over them, but he keeps moving forward and even eventually finds love again though MJ So it really annoys me when these fans missed this point and think in order to make Peter into a well developed character he needs to suffer and constantly be depressing to the point where they basically threw a temper tantrum whenever someone tries to do something different with the character and his story

[@koshinukeprower4477]

I feel like Mary Jane is just a fricking plot device. In every interaction of Mary sure she was a party girl but she was always more than that, she had the ability to emphasize with others, has strong will, with the ability to make sacrifices. But in this movie she does nothing when she goes to Peter, she just takes the verbal beat down and she just say yes sir Peter i will take it and forgive you. When she talked to Harry she just says the most generic thing with no emotion. What really got on my nerve was when Peter compared MJ to Gwen and MJ just takes it. The MJ I know from any interaction would have clapped back and left Peter thinking, she would have actually helped peter grow from the past. MJ is not even a person she is a coin character. This is like if the CW did spiderman.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Honestly, CW Spider-Man would be better and at least have SOME heart

[@LtJason20]

The only good thing I can name about Spider-Man Lotus is that it helped me with my Insomnia: (Sleep Disorder). Tum on the movie, and I fall asleep in 5-10 minutes.

[@Adamairball]

This was a really entertaining video!

[@ChimeraFilms]

Glad you liked it!

[@RiseOfTheKumquat67]

If I had a $100k+ budget and an audience of mostly hardcore Spider-Man fans that are expecting an adaptation of the story of Gwen Stacy's death, I would've turned around and made the Spider-Man version of Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. Spend the whole movie getting people onboard with this friend group and heavily foreshadow Gwen's fate, only for the movie to end with Gwen getting saved at the last minute because Peter let his friends in on his secret and Harry/MJ help save Gwen's life and capture Norman. Go full angst and tortured hero for an hour only to subvert it all with an earned happy ending that goes against canon.

[@spideyshiz]

I love the film but the part when you guys predict the rubix cube is pretty tremendous 😂

[@ChimeraFilms]

Truly, Apollo blessed me with the gift of prophecy

[@kustomationstudios]

That old 90s fan film, The Green Goblin's last stand, caught my attention better than lotus did. Even after all the controversy, I just forgot about lotus until people started mentioning how bad it was, I didn't even want to watch the fight with goblin in lotus.

[@dn22pkkdd476]

Fucking love that movie. Sure, the acting is over the top and wooden, there are times where the movie is so dark you have no idea what's happening, and comic dialog is just taken straight into the film without bothering to adapt it for the current circumstances. But my god, does that film have fucking heart. Many of the effects still hold up (especially the swinging), the suits are the fun kinda cheap but still very well designed, the actors are giving it their all, it has a bloody brutal battle at the end where you can just feel how much Spidey and Goblin hate each other and for a film made on $500 in 1992 it definitely overachieved in every aspect. The small demo trailer the same team made, where it showed clips of Spidey fighting diffrent villians (including a smug Bullseye) is also a pretty fun watch. Love that movie

[@dn22pkkdd476]

Oh, just wanted to add, the soundtrack has no business being as good as it is. And the Howard Jones song, Equality, that is used as the main theme is such a banger it's been stuck in my head since 1998.

[@wilelloco5041]

I have a pitch for a trilogy that I might someday turn into some fan fiction if I get the time. 3 films: Spider-Man: Red (An origin story for Peter where he ends up fighting organized crime.) Spider-Man: Blue (This is an obvious one and takes a few years later after the first film but I do have a twist for it that I want to keep a secret for now in case I get around to writing it) Spider-Man: Black (Also a bit of an obvious one and takes place some other few years later after the second film, no venom as villain, just the black suit arc as substance abuse as Peter copes with Gwen's Death. Ending would feature a grown up Peter years later retelling some of his darkest moments as he mentors Miles and makes sure he's ready for the job)

[@pabloiriqui6128]

19:46 Damn… that’s the perfect description of what this was. What a waste of money and themes.

[@ChimeraFilms]

I tried

[@JustGHCST]

No wonder i keep falling asleep while watching the movie.

[@ChimeraFilms]

You didn't miss much

[@comixproviderftw_02]

8:22 “The Grand Wizard of the Spider-Klan and the Green Groomer” 😂

[@zirotsero6951]

Spiderman Lotus is a masterpiece, look at the smiles it gave to these people 5:55

[@Simply_put_it]

When you give kids a billion dollars

[@jwtcosplay4507]

This was a really good video man

[@ChimeraFilms]

Woah, internet sensation JWT Cosplay? I jest, I jest. Appreciate it man, love what you do.

[@jakubzuni]

“Spider-Klan and The Green Groomer” killed me 💀

[@WhispyWoodz]

This review was masterful literally just been looking for a review of the movie without the controversy couldn’t care less

[@danielgeronimo5538]

This film feels like it's an attempt at Raimi's Spider-Man No More arc but fails to understand why that arc works even without the death of Gwen Stacy.

[@alex_ze_awsumyt5484]

“The Grand Wizard of the Spider-Klan V.S. The Green Groomer” made me giggle harder than I should be giggling 😭

[@sunstone_xd8977]

I feel like every time I look at Spiderman Lotus I'm like "Oh yay it's spiderma- WAIT A MINUTE"

[@TheSphereHunter]

Very well said.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Thank you kindly

[@guyWSonicpicture]

Another recommendation if anyone wants another Spiderman fanfilm that ISN'T bad with the pacing, it's actually full of heart and actually commits to the message of responsibility that Spider-Man is all about there's this movie called "Spiderman Panopticon" it was made by Brazilian filmmakers and it's subbed in English, if you can stand reading the subtitles it's actually a really good movie!

[@ChimeraFilms]

I have seen that one and I thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@IronNinja]

Hearing that Gavin put the EMH theme in there has me hate him more

[@ChimeraFilms]

God has abandoned this timeline

[@YouCantDeleteDenzelL]

Also why does the movie have a 2.55:1 aspect ratio? None of the shots in the movie justify it. Nearly every shot is uncomfortably close up.

[@ChimeraFilms]

The aspect ratio was driving us insane while we were watching, glad someone else noticed that

[@tristanhartup4936]

I guess it was to make the movie look more cinematic

[@mr.mellow9949]

I tried watching this movie THREE times and fell asleep every time

[@KinoBrava]

"The opening credits of the movie last waaay too fucking long and do this really weird thing where they start pretty late in the movie, and they do a very short scene, and then the title card. Why? Why structure it like that?" It's because one of Gavin J. Konop's favorite films is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. And he thought, "Oh, if that film can start their opening credits twenty minutes into the film, so can my film." But he failed to realize that the first twenty minutes of the film are Joel and Clementine rekindling their relationship, and we don't know about it until the end of the film. It had purpose in Eternal Sunshine, but not in Lotus.

[@tomboyraider1015]

I'm just glad this is just a fan film and not a real one.

[@HobGungan]

I literally had no idea this "movie" existed until I saw the thumbnail to this video.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Glad I could educate

[@OkayFillet]

Like almost all of the recommendations at the end I've been actively reading/looking forward to, so it's great to see them get their due in any form. Great video

[@JoeyEsqueda]

When I was in film school some grifter with a trust fund came into my classroom trying to get students to help him make a Superman fan film (Superman Returns had just come out and this fanboy was MAD). And honestly ever since that moment I've thought: Why even make a fan film? Why not put all that effort into an original vision? It's bad enough that studios value IP over storytelling, why should we as independent filmmakers do the same?

[@eckoalbino1623]

Don't be an Icarus. I think this is something other aspiring and experienced professionals, whatever their field, can learn from. Ambition is good, but acknowledge your limits

[@abdullahamr9941]

This movie is pretty much a one shot angest fanfic but stretched into a 2 hour movie

[@PigeonPie-ki9nd]

One thing I don't get is that with a budget of 1$25,000 (according to google) they could've made their own Spidey film with their own villain, a story to remember with bright colours and some unique, memorable moments to come with the new- Nope. They just retold Gwen Stay's death... Just like non-fan made Spidey films.... Again... Which especially doesn't make it memorable. Idk where else to go with this other than like... If someone was to remake a Spidey comic as a movie, maybe do something like "Kraven's last hunt" or something that HASN'T been done in a Spidey movie before. Can't believe Gavin failed at the main thing he thought he was doing (and the entire reason the film exists).

[@itwasfunnyatthetime]

Great video. My only issue was 8:10, as keying out the water on a green screen is seems very impractical. The cgi there is poor though, and I dont even think it should have been a shot attempted with their budget and choice of location. Gavin moment.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

So Gavin's favorite stories are Raimi's Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man Blue, and The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man. He used the right formula but got the wrong answer. It's safe to say...I don't think he got it while experiencing all those stories. Me? I've been a fan of the MCU Spider-Man, and I've been through the gambit of hearing how the Raimi Spider-Man understood Spider-Man best, and how MCU Spider-Man needed to have a lot of tweaks to it to make it "accurate". But I have to imagine, this is not what those people meant. Even as an MCU fan, I'm sorry, guys. This can't be what y'all wanted.

[@animationunlimited2958]

I am gonna guess that Roby Rhod would consider Harry Osborne to be green enough.

[@itsmesaravi]

Spider-Man Lotus has set a standard for fan films on how not to make a fan film

[@LucasHopkins2006]

You know, I saw Channel Pup’s review on this movie and he brought up a point I really agree with, Gavin jumped into this too quickly. Like he’s a new filmmaker/director, right? This is the first movie he directed, right? Then maybe he shouldn’t have immediately made his dream project right off the bat, that almost feels like if I tried to make my dream/ideal Sonic, or Justice League, or Avengers game whenever I’ve never made a game in my life (that and if I did it out of spite towards Sega or Rocksteady (for KtJL) or Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics like “Oh they messed up with my favorite characters in the past, I’ll show them how it’s done, I can do better” even though no, I can’t, I can’t at all (and in Sega’s case that really wouldn’t make sense from me when, regardless of their screw ups in the past, Unleashed, Frontiers, SA2, and Generations are some of my favorite games so I wouldn’t get what would be going through my mind if I’m acting like IGN)), he should’ve done some smaller stuff before and then got to Lotus when he got more experience and maybe made Lotus what it could’ve been, good (or at least not boring as heck).

[@CullodenCowboy]

YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE ME AND *GAH-WHEN* *_VINE BOOM_*

[@ChimeraFilms]

Glad I'm not the only one who thought that line read was funky

[@tokumei]

5:53 bro i fell out of my fuckin chair laughing 😂 not the rubics cube

[@samuelmbila5583]

17:45-18:11 I couldn't stop laughing😂

[@ssandhu96]

I came back to this video just to watch that again

[@bhunt799]

Man, between this movie and the ERB Wolverine vs Freddy battle, what is it with Marvel Comics based fan projects that were clearly made from spite towards certain movies based on Marvel Comics properties latching onto the 90s cartoons?

[@pylonade2785]

It wasn’t a spider man movie. It was a movie with spiderman in it

[@jakkdlaw]

Hahahahaha, I did not even get to 20 min point when I got bored and skipped to the end. I wanted to give it another chance but you changed my mind. Sorry for your suffering.

[@ChimeraFilms]

No sacrifice, no victory

[@jakkdlaw]

@@ChimeraFilms Thanks for helping me get through the movie.

[@who_is_Isaac]

I was so hyped for this movie when it was in development, especially when they showed off the CGI swing sequences. Then the sewage works opened, and I was so upset

[@laaalaaalelo]

The grand wizard of the spider klan got me bad

[@ChimeraFilms]

Seems to be getting everyone lol

[@fernandomora338]

Good video that also addressed the horrible people behind it, thanks bro bro

[@ChimeraFilms]

Appreciate it

[@FuriousAnim]

No vfx shots were done by gavin. The guy who did bridge close up and sections of the final swing were done by the guy who made that famous image of all 3 spiderman live action adaptations right next to each other.

[@ChimeraFilms]

My bad, then. I'd heard somewhere that Gavin had to finish the VFX on his own and that was what took so long, I guess I misheard.

[@FuriousAnim]

@@ChimeraFilms Also one more thing that I noticed about this film. Tim says that he is almost 11 years old, but his gravestone says he was born in 2015. This wouldn't even make him 10 years old.

[@ChimeraFilms]

@FZXFilms yeah, I caught that while I was editing. It was pretty funny

[@Profile__1]

I don't know why, but I'm cracking up over one of your friends' name being "Gwen MJ Stone". If that's a pseudoname, that's really funny. And if that's real, holy shit what a fucking powerful name.

[@ChimeraFilms]

Nope, that's her actual name. Gwendolyn Margot Jae Stone. And she do have a powerful name

[@Profile__1]

​@@ChimeraFilmsWHOA HOLY SHIT. That's fucking insanely cool.

[@ChimeraFilms]

@Profile__1 i know, right?

[@Jack_Attack_2580]

I really, *really* tried to look past the controversy surrounding this film and the fact that the cast and crew seems to be made up of *mostly* awful people, but as someone whose favorite fictional character is Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Miles being a close second since he’s *also* Spider-Man) it truly makes me beyond upset and frustrated that this fan film earned the kind of money it did to be made, just to be so wasted on this film. I love the Raimi trilogy. I love the Webb films. I love Watt’s trilogy and the roles Tom Holland’s Spider-Man has played in different Avengers films. I love the new animated series. I love spectacular Spider-Man. And I especially love Insomniac’s games. I don’t really discriminate when it comes to loving spidey media. Edit: forgot to mention that I also love the spider-verse films, of course. However, Lotus/Gavin *completely* shit on the character and what makes him so loved by many like me in the 1st place. I really wish this film didn’t exist. Thank you for coming to my TED talk