The Complicated History Between Bruce Wayne & Dick Grayson

In this episode of Variant, we get into the long and complicated relationship between Bruce Wayne/Batman and Dick Grayson/Robin. Also, get this week's comic Buy List!
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[@R_eagan]

Dick Grayson is such a great character. He just deserves more respect from DC.

[@toren2099]

Reagan Reviews 1939 and then they shot him that's why I hate DC

[@jonathanmora8208]

True brother

[@Jeyndow]

@@toren2099 You don't hate DC, you hate DC under Dan Didio

[@toren2099]

John Barea no I hate DC they killed Alfred Jessica Cruz shot nightwing got rid of red hood and the outlaws and made Tim no longer red Robin and didn't let Bruce and Selena get married that's why I love Marvel better u should read moon Knight by Brian Wood the 2014 story it's awesome.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@toren2099 weight Alfred is dead in the main dc universe and Jessica cruz was shot

[@aidenkz]

We don't talk about the Batman & Batgirl hookup

[@saintgilla4404]

Exactly lol

[@__________1175]

I do!

[@josephineobazuaye555]

we just don't talk about it

[@priscilaadiniz]

Exactly. And we don't see the mess with the animated Killing Joke prologue.

[@aidenkz]

@@priscilaadiniz preach!

[@benji777tm]

I’m not a fan of too much tension between them. My favorite portrayal of their dynamic didn’t even have them sharing the screen: it was The Apprentice arc of Teen Titans 2003 when Slade told Robin he wants him to accept him as his father but Dick says “I already have a father” and the camera pans up to show the bats flying. Coolest moment ever.

[@darlamurillo4546]

I love that moment!

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

that was such a cool moment without me noticing he was talking about batman at that time.

[@stretchedyourmom1372]

Is that not Tim Drake though?

[@Love-Sensibility]

​@@stretchedyourmom1372That was Dick. He has a rivalry with Slade

[@melanieolivarez4533]

🤧 ah I love moments like that, I really wish they would just stick to Bruce and Dick having a good bond after all they have been through, after all Bruce adopted him!

[@shocktonic]

I try and block all Batman-Batgirl relationships out my head

[@seanpowell1661]

🤣🤣🤣👍

[@145plays]

Steve Smith thank god

[@pavankrishna.s396]

It's hard because it was introduced by one of the most iconic cartoon show ( I mean why,😭😭😭)

[@Jess.Anderson]

Dick Grayson is Bruce's favorite person in the universe. So, while I love the animated series, I reject Batman Beyond as canon. Because even if they argue and don't talk for like a year, Bruce would never do anything that would hurt Dick Grayson in that way. Bruce might be emotionally stunted and they may argue but he shows love through actions... this is the opposite of that. It a repeated theme that Dick Grayson is the light to Bruce's darkness and the anchor that keeps Batman from going over the edge. As is shown in this quote of Dick saying, "He saved me and it saved him. It kept him from living in the shadows. From walking the line. From crossing it." And also when Bruce tells Dick "The truth is I didn't save you from some dark fate those years ago. You saved *me* from one. And you're still are saving me, every day." This dynamic is the core of Bruce and Dick's relationship in any run. While Batman works with various other Robins, it is Dick Grayson who keeps Batman from crossing the line, not just any Robin. For example, had the Joker killed Dick instead of Jason, Batman probably would have killed the Joker. Dick's death would be one of the few things to push Bruce off the edge and into a killing spree (as shown in Infinite Crisis). There's so much love and trust between Dick and Bruce. Some of the best quotes are Bruce saying Dick is "a better man than I ever could be." and "The only time I ever feel pride is when I look at Nightwing. Sometimes I think he's the only thing I ever did right." And when Bruce tells Dick, "Dick. I didn't fall. I jumped. I jumped because I knew you'd catch me." I feel like this video only covers the drama, not the love between them. Dick is Bruce's greatest accomplishment, and his designated successor. Nightwing becomes the leader of the justice league after Batman as Bruce had planned. And Dick takes up Batman's mantle when Bruce is "dead" and even raises and trains his son Damian. Dick Grayson is the favorite. End of story. 😌

[@Ghikgdghijbffk]

Totally agree 🙌

[@tahasiddiqui1351]

incredibly put, thankyou

[@ummeiguess]

you said everything!!!

[@noramartinez8520]

This.

[@dominiquejones3805]

I didnt like Bruce knocking off Barbara n The Killing Joke

[@DjTonySnark]

I think Dick Grayson is the best DC hero. He’s one of the only heroes to have fully evolved from kid to adult, with multiple titles along the way. He was Batman even, a fantastic Batman, but it wasn’t his destiny. Now he’s Nightwing, Batman’s equal (in my opinion.) He’s Bruce without the emotional flaws.

[@shadowofdread7018]

DJTonySnark He’s been cucked and nerfed numerous times in modern iterations. Luckily, it seems like he’ll return to his former glory in Titans. Every comic writer nowadays seems to forget that he’s nearly Batman’s equal in combat and deduction. (although Tim is better at detective work than him) Dick took on freaking Deathstroke and won but nowadays, especially in the animated movies, he can’t handle simple goons half the time. He’s also one of my favorite heroes too so it’s sad it’s see this crap nowadays especially after the awesome time he was Batman.

[@fdgfdg2055]

Shadow of Dread Completely agree he should be up there with the most badass heroes and he’s been nerfed a lot lately because they only care about batman and anything else is just an inferior sidekick to them

[@lyonegra8204]

And without the shit tons of money. So he isn't Bruce's equal unless he inherits Wayne enterprises.....

[@thatqueeroverthere8807]

Best animated depiction till now is in young justice. DCAU Nightwing sucks. He always breaks his shoulder. He deserves much respect but always becomes the scapegoat to Batman's story lines. Recent Ric Grayson storyline is the best example of DC undervaluing the best superhero so far.

[@blazingbones7]

And two mini Bo staffs

[@Vaehlo]

We...We don't talk about Bruce and Baraba. We pretend it didn't happen.

[@gonthebait6562]

Tim Drake you’re one to talk Tim, after all you dated her

[@itsyourboy7150]

@@gonthebait6562 he only dates her in the arkham games. Other than that they don't have any relation because by the time Tim drake comes in as robin, barbara is already paralyzed and older

[@heyjeremiahwhite.]

^ nuff said. oh sorry, wrong franchise.

[@shadowrev2914]

@@heyjeremiahwhite. I understood that reference. Oh wait wrong franchise again.

[@velocityrapture7047]

Yeah just eww, I was very disappointed, this isn't the batman I grew up with!

[@Stoner9th]

It's time for Bruce to invent the Bat-condom.

[@adyingdreamofcatastrophe8909]

Yes

[@KiteHacker]

Hah! Yea!

[@astrogallotron]

or the Bat-sectomy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@alx42013]

Or The Bat-Bong!

[@sazzadalwahed9594]

Stoner9th absolutely... It accidentally caused him planting the seeds to Damiens birth in Talias wound

[@youtubeuser6762]

bruce and barbara is the most blasphemous, unnecessary and illegal relationship in all of comics that shouldnt exist

[@Ziad_Rahman]

Can't be worse than Pietro/Quicksilver and Wanda/Scarlet Witch in Ultimate Universe.

[@soaky4]

In the comics, Dick slept with Selina (sort of his stepmother) at least once....

[@KiingLewis]

@@Ziad_Rahman wait what?

[@dweetsauce8513]

ArcScion Lmao it does😂

[@ozairchishti1264]

@@soaky4 Don't forget about the time Jason banged Talia too. The Batfamily is a fucking mess when it comes to sex scandals.

[@shaggydee91]

I hate the Bruce wit Barbara ....wish they were never a thing

[@Patri_Fides]

@J Believe it or not, some girls like em old. I don't understand it but I've met some of these freaks.

[@bii-boh-bi4691]

@J No it isn't canon in main continuity, only the bruce timm universe.

[@Patri_Fides]

@J I mean REALLY old. Lol

[@Patri_Fides]

@J Also, we don't know if Barbara was motivated by money, status or if it was just because they were close.

[@Patri_Fides]

@J How do you know it was his wallet and not his old man swag?

[@misterkid]

The Barbara-batman dating thing is creepy and should've never existed

[@senshaw6640]

it was not batman was 32 to 35 and barbara was 24 to 27

[@misterkid]

@Yahya Ahmad it's also the age

[@HELLO_KORO]

@@senshaw6640 she his best friends daughter and Sons girlfriend

[@putinofficial6980]

@@senshaw6640 she was engaged with dick grayson and she is a lot younger than batman and both of them betrayed dick and they try to hide it from him wtf

[@Rebelian189]

The only thing bad about it was that it was basically his son/brothers old girlfriend. Major bro code violation, otherwise it made since. Ever since Babara was introduced in BTAS she fantasized about Batman, even flirted with him on several occasions. Then she also wasn't fully into Dick when they dated in college. When Bruce was lonely and in a moment of weakness it'd make since they'd get together cause the only thing that held them back was Dick.

[@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96]

Who the hell sleeps with their adopted son's Ex-girlfriend

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Batman

[@doctormasterdevil]

the same guy who sleeps with a teenage boy (who he dresses up in a bright speedo or short shorts at night) in the same bed in at least one panel of a comic book,

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@doctormasterdevil that was the 50s depiction

[@YoungYahtz94]

P Diddy is currently dating his sons ex girlfriend lol

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@YoungYahtz94 lol

[@virtrolic_youtube8913]

If been watching this dude for 4years keep up the good work

[@W_A_L_I]

Virtrolic _KZbin89 yo so have I it’s crazy it’s been 4-5 years already

[@Comet_373]

@@W_A_L_I same I remember back in the day the animation for hero origins used to be a comic book container and they would all shuffle

[@tyler32]

Comet Gamer YOOOOO

[@WaRLoKWYATT]

I've been watching him for 20 years.... is that weird? Lol

[@brandonw6139]

I've been watching since 2013

[@theaceking3508]

Barbara and Bruce has always been hideous to me

[@samuelwolch1302]

TheAce King is it the age gap?

[@theaceking3508]

Samuel Wolch it’s the age gap, the mentor relationship, the weirdness of it, the betrayal of dick It’s just never looked good to me

[@johnlewis8934]

I’m actually kinda cool with it tbh. But only because I didn’t see it coming and it was very risky form the start and I know they shouldn’t be together but that’s the fun of it for me

[@AngelicaReyes-vp2rv]

Them being together is so out of character. Bruce is like a father figure for both Dick and Barbara. Both Batman Beyond and Killing Joke missed the point.

[@hawkeye4205]

Thats the one part of the DCEU thats a flaw. Thats it. Bruce Timm couldnt help himself smh. I pray it never bleeds into the main continuity of comics. So much easier to ignore it in the DCEU and its comics.

[@marveldcmaaz]

I just don't consider those "Timm-verse" comics canon. There was never any romance between Bruce and Barbara in Batman the Animated Series, and Bruce clearly loved Dick as a son. No way he would steal his girl or abandon him for years, that's not the Batman I grew up with in the cartoon. It's an incredibly out-of-character and selfish thing to do for a character that's supposed to be selfless.

[@gameraider100]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[@SpoonDude]

Maaz R. Batman Beyond confirmed that Bruce and Barbara we’re together tho A DCAU animated film, I think Batman Mystery of the Batwoman or something, also showed Babs and Bruce were together

[@akilbrazier1421]

Not only that, but sleeping with his best friend’s daughter. It’s already enough that he recruited her as Batgirl fighting crime behind Jim’s back, but then dating her, sleeping with her, AND getting her pregnant?! That’s so fucked up.

[@lyonegra8204]

The killing joke movie. Batman IS a cunt tho. Always has been. He's slept with damn near every woman I'm Gotham. So it's a total whatever.

[@1987bisdann]

true words spoken my friend, this isn't my Bruce either.

[@a_redfox]

I love how their relationship is described in the Hush storyline. "Dick alwa spoke to me without fear ....he has earned that right".

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear

[@noellebarnes7562]

Superman is the 1 everyone never questions or disrespect, except batman who is the 1person when superman gets out of control he( superman) the rest of the j.l count on to stop him. The one person who can tell batman where to go n how to get there, tell him " your wrong ". Is nightwing!

[@noellebarnes7562]

Ya,the only person to tell batman " hey, your wrong " and actually listen to him is dick

[@HELLO_KORO]

While Tim's sort of a suck up he's always on Bruces side

[@SSJFutureGohan62093]

All of the post-Crisis versions of this just feel so wrong. They impose Bruce’s superiority on Grayson, and strip Grayson of agency. In pre-Crisis, Grayson leaves of his own will and turns the Robin identity and mantle over to Jason Todd, giving him his blessings and approval. This is the best version, much more heart-felt and in-character for Grayson. But hey, who wants happiness and hope in their comics?

[@DanielFolsom]

"Impose Bruce's superiority on Grayson"? I think the Bruce/Barbara thing is gross ... but idk how that has anything to do with anyone's value. If anything, it demeans Bruce. (And I'd point out that Bruce seemed to hint he was open to getting back together with Barbara when she told him she was pregnant, asking her if it changed anything between them ... and she rejected him again.)

[@maite6800]

@@DanielFolsom I think he meant that in the comics(post-crisis)Bruce takes the Robin mantle away from Dick so Dick goes to talk with Clark and ends up having the nightwing idea but in the pre-crisis Dick had decided to let Robin go in his own terms in the Judas contract comic

[@izdatbOi]

The best Bruce Wayne & Dick Grayson moment, in my opinion, was in the Injustice comics, when Nightwing died and became Deadman, possessed young Billy Batson, and was then hugged by Batman. A true father-son moment that moved me to tears.

[@lyzhongo5766]

You know what they say "you don't know what you have until it's gone".

[@thatqueeroverthere8807]

Still Dick did not deserve that. It was so bad to kill him like that but I liked the aftermath. And when he became deadman and met Bruce

[@Johnson_professor]

Batman has principles to not kill, but sleeps with his adopted son's ex? Holy shit, that's beyond vile.

[@malaythakkar8772]

Yeah comics go wild sometimes lol

[@heisenberg2712]

Yes, that is very uncharacteristic of batman. The writers made a huge mistake doing it. Batman would never do it. The writers just wrote the story that way which is wrong and uncharacteristic of batman

[@maite6800]

Is not Canon actually it happened mostly because Bruce Timm likes this couple for some reason

[@aex9516]

All thanks to Bruce Timm

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

@@maite6800 He likes Batman with Wonder Woman too for some reason. Even though realistically they wouldn't like each other since Wonder Woman is okay with kills.

[@urkelbot2099]

Bruce and Dick’s relationship reminds me of any fathers relationship with their older son, he messed up with him the most because he was still learning but in the end it made him the best Robin

[@jaysonrainey8180]

💯

[@Nauni]

I don’t most good dads bang their sons ex

[@SuperUniverse]

Dick grayson is still best bird :)

[@comicconvenient4657]

The best robin is the bird robin

[@badposture4968]

BIG FACT

[@kapalot700]

First thing to cross my mind was how Batman pushes away his loved ones.

[@TheRealest127]

I never thought of it that way until this comment. But I think you're RIGHT.

[@_D-K_]

His code

[@robertemery8386]

Except for Alfred.

[@phugindomas]

Sometimes he pulls them too close too. Like when he fucks his adopted sons girlfriend.

[@shawnswint1521]

Kaildou Dio[p This Comes Back to what Superman Said Back in The Injustice Story line about how ''It's Funny, How Clark who is an Alien & is More Connected With Humanity, Yet Bruce who is a Human is Less Connected to Humanity''.

[@jonathanmora8208]

I will never understand Dick . Bruce isnt a perfect father figure but Dick ended up great in all aspects

[@kurozero1072]

well he had alfred

[@thatsomeguyja3243]

Some people learn from their mentor's mistakes

[@jokos_ego1351]

@@kurozero1072 he also had the (Teen) Titans. a lot of his character development happened with them. also Superman

[@redhaze7663]

Jonathan Mora nah dick Grayson still has deep anger issues

[@scottsummers4234]

You really defending Bruce? SMH 😐😐😐

[@haustyl12]

On a lighter note. Batman has once said the only time he ever feels pride is when he looks at Nightwing

[@jedi098765]

Which in turn is a cold statement in light of all his other trainees/bat fam members

[@rivasart3796]

This is why Young Justice's depiction is my favorite! Lol

[@__________1175]

What depiction? They skipped straight over all that

[@joyce3003]

It’s because right now he is one of the only depictions that isn’t an incompetent fighter or going through an amnesia arc

[@vinsueringamer2388]

@Joyce amen

[@melissabarrera8913]

in the pre crisis-era there was no drama between them so hold that knowledge in your heart for the rainy days

[@-saffie-4977]

What makes their falling out so sad is that of all his sons, Dick was the one who made Bruce into the person he is. He was his first kid, they had such a history. Bruce truly didn't handle Dick growing up very well.

[@Latchkeyclown]

Yes and no, Bruce was very strict with Dick but he truly loved him. This video only covers the drama of some of the different comic adaptations. If you decide, and I hope you do, to check other comic adaptations you’ll see that Dick is Bruce’s proudest accomplishments. He truly trusts, and loves Dick and in a few, rare but few, moments in some comics Bruce calls Dick his son. Even some games like recent Gotham Knights gives us some records to listen back from Bruce dedicated to his sons and im sure you’ll enjoy listening what he says about Dick.

[@EJ-wr8bl]

5:54 I liked how Rocksteady games even incorporated Bruce and Dick's complicated relationship in the Arkham Knight. The first encounter between the two spoke volumes after Bruce needed intel on Penguin's operations after Barbara was kidnapped by the Arkham Knight. Alfred informed him that Dick has been investigating Penguin's movements for awhile now, and Bruce told him to have Dick send everything over (to avoid actual contact with him), but Alfred informed him that Dick insisted on meeting up with him instead. And when they do meet up, Dick greets him with light-hearted banter about him still lurking onto rooftops. Bruce, however, is cold towards him, and he only wants the Intel on North Refrigeration (Penguin's base of operations). The look on Dick's face revealed everything I needed to know about their relationship. He hesitated to speak, he was caught off-guard, and he was slightly irritated by Bruce's coldness. Nevertheless, he gave him what he wanted. Rocksteady did an absolute great job with replicating the tense dynamic between those two. They really did their homework.

[@venomousbite1055]

Nightwing is the best DC character

[@senshaw6640]

he is not batman is nightwing sucks

[@eivor5453]

Batman is better

[@Seoyeaji921]

@@senshaw6640 both are good !

[@Seoyeaji921]

@@senshaw6640 i Mean you just literally called one of the best dc characters "sucks" so there is no point of talking with you.

[@guitarhero8110]

I've been writing/developing a treatment of a Nightwing movie that focuses on a falling out between Bruce and Dick. Different circumstances but it's an important dynamic of these 2's relationship.

[@Christ2010Grad]

guitarhero8110 Would love to see it!

[@TheRizzilanteTM]

Dick Grayson is my all time favorite DC character, I got the classic nightwing suit and everything. Its just sad to see that for him being such a great character, so strong and resilient. DC completely abuses him.

[@BiggestChungus21]

Grayson was like, "All I want is for to say you care, DAD!"

[@noy8940]

BATMAN AND BARBARA NEVER HAPPENED. At least I hope it didn’t 😢

[@vinsueringamer2388]

@KJ Turner we do not speak of it

[@senshaw6640]

@@vinsueringamer2388 we do it was funny hahaha

[@HELLO_KORO]

Only in the DCAU

[@jaysonrainey8180]

Different timeline

[@astropunch101]

Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Damian: “Ey good job son.” Dick Grayson: *Slaps*

[@vinsueringamer2388]

@Astro Punch pretty much

[@adrianivashkov4242]

Bruce is the hardest with Dick but he’s also the only he ever outright stated that raising him was his greatest accomplishment, literally in Final Crisis his final determining factor in saving the universe was because of how much he viewed Dick Grayson to the greatest person he’s ever met.

[@byakugan2173]

@@adrianivashkov4242 I get that, but on the other hand Dick being great and Batman seeing that doesn't negate that Bruce is an ass to him. Dick is great but not so much because of Bruce.

[@Love-Sensibility]

Sounds like Bruce took advice from the Jacksons' parenting book. Being so strict with your kids until they turn out to be the nicest people ever. MJ is so sweet like that, most people don't know how strict his dad used to be with him. Its a little realistic with the way Bruce treats Dick, and Dick turned out to be the sweetest guy you'll ever know

[@joshgarconvil]

The complicated history between Variant Comics and Darkseid cause they barely have any content of him Imma keep commenting about Darkseid until my voice is heard so get used to me

[@joshgarconvil]

gustavo covarrubias 😂

[@joshgarconvil]

gustavo covarrubias I ain’t makin no threats I’m not that type of person😂

[@cilcervcingc3786]

😂😂😂💯💯

[@joshgarconvil]

Cil Cerv Cing C3 yo literally all I want is more Darkseid content on this channel then I’ll be satisfied

[@joshgarconvil]

OldSchool I knew I wasn’t the only one

[@king_supreme1102]

Why can’t they just be nice to each other sometimes.

[@georgejoestarii9469]

In Young Justice. And currently in Rebirth and back and New 52.

[@mr.jawshh443]

"Who the hell dates their adopted sons ex girlfriend" well last time I heard P diddy is dating his sons ex girlfriend.... is puffy batman??

[@shawnarthur5921]

They've never been seen in the same place at the same time, as far as I know... 🤔🤔🤔

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Slade Wilson: Bruce could have Left you alone when your parents died Grayson. ....... Loser.

[@stegbaus]

The comic, in which we find out that Bruce impregnated Barbara, is not canon in the DCAU. The channel Watchertower Database made that clear (:

[@IamTheBuckethead]

One of the best duos in comic book history.

[@ComicRick]

You can read Robin's last mission with Batman in the single issue "Did Robin Die Tonight?" (Batman #408) and the fallout between them in "White Gold and Truth" (Batman #416).

[@jorgeore86]

I loved this episode! Dick is my favorite Robin and I’ve always loved his complicated relationship with Bruce. Be nice if we got a mature Dick Grayson in the DCEU down the road

[@vinsueringamer2388]

@Jorge Luis first he should stop getting nerfed but i think dick is mature in his own way it’s just we never see it cause of incompetent writers

[@alltheragegeorgepageakatheperv]

Damien may be Bruce's son, but Dick is the true heir to the Mantle of The Bat.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Wayne

[@mikesmith145]

He doesn’t even want to be Batman, you’re thinking of Terry from Beyond

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Deathstroke: Grayson. Loser.

[@eivor5453]

Jason is better and more relatable

[@kendrickfisher9319]

Dick wanted to get out of batman's shadow and become his own hero

[@ROBken2654]

The original farther and son of the comic world.

[@badposture4968]

Yes

[@GugSport]

Batman is my favorite soap opera.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera

[@GugSport]

@@SuperGreatSphinx ?

[@DeathWatch-jh3yx]

One of the best and most informative videos youve made to date! Keep up the great work Aris and crew!

[@daydream4life444]

This is my second favorite dynamic duo relationship. The first being Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne, they work well together too. But Bruce can be such a jerk to Dick and all Dick wants is to be his own man, be happy, and sometimes even make Bruce happy too. When I was a toddler, I always saw Barbara and Bruce as a couple and Dick and Starfire as a couple on TV, so I got confused as I grew up as to why people ship Barbara and Dick. I thought Barbara had a thing for Bruce or just preferred to be single, either way I feel like she just can't make Dick happy like Starfire can. Starfire only has eyes for Dick and brings nothing but love and positivity to his life meanwhile Barbara just brings heartbreak and drama. But hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

[@KootenaiKing]

The Titans show really surprised me. I didn't watch while it was on air, but I did buy the season when it was released.

[@XyloTears]

KootenaiKing what did it surprise you?

[@KootenaiKing]

@@XyloTears it was surprisingly good. Maybe I'm just a nerd having a good time cuz my childhood is coming to life.

[@KumaoftheForest]

Did they recast Hookerfire?

[@Dave-mh3oi]

@@KumaoftheForest your racism is showing because shes best girl on the show tbh

[@dallinlambert8004]

Starfire’s look takes a little bit getting used to, but her acting really shines in the series

[@communion1100]

The complicated history of Donna Troy... 😂😂😂

[@LevelZeroSage1]

When I saw that episode the first time, I thought Bruce and Barbara we're already in a relationship. All I knew when I was a kid was that Dick looked at Bruce, looked at Barbara, looked back at Bruce, put two and two together, and punched him in the face and said "I quit." I wasn't paying attention.

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

It's not as big of a deal as all these people are making it out to be. You'd think Bruce fucking murdered babies and kicked puppies to death to read these fucking comments...

[@MetalOfHeaven777]

Bruce and Barbara just would flat out not have happened if certain writers weren't weirdly obsessed with making it happen for some effed up reason. I really don't think Bruce would even be attracted to her in the first place and even if he was, the man has a will of iron and would never have succumbed to that. I mean come on. Frankly it annoys me that everyone seems to want to make Batman out as a bad father when Dick turned out great and Bruce really did do the best he could with Dick. Dick is literally the person who understands Bruce the most due to their shared experiences and Bruce did everything he could to make sure Dick didn't turn out as bitter toward the world as he was. It really bothers me when it seems all writers want to do is keep them at odds as if they hate each other when really those two, while definitely having their share of disagreements, would have an incredibly strong bond.

[@enjitodoroki202]

"And lays Batman out with a right hook." Dick: punches Batman with his left hand

[@your_mate_nate9428]

Man I knew the relationship between Dick and Bruce was complicated, but not THAT complicated.

[@Dumpweed971]

The thing that bothered me so much about Bruce and Barbara was that it was such a disrespectful, dishonorable move for Bruce to make. It’s out of character for a man who is all about loyalty, respect and family. He fucked over his own son super hard. Then again, maybe that was the whole point.

[@SuperExtrovert]

I hope Starfire gets her turn in being Leader 🙏🏾

[@isaiahthegoat4019]

iMissMessyWessy she is in the dc animated movie universe

[@SuperExtrovert]

Wolf King I'm aware of that...my comment is more focus on the live action Titans

[@joestriker8518]

Starfire already has a leadership role in live actions Titans

[@Theemptythroneistaken]

Dick Grayson is the true heir to the throne! He’s the next great detective not as batman but nightwing.

[@senshaw6640]

no damien is the hier to the throne it is batman son after all and nightwing is not as brutal as batman but damien is

[@mrinalmahapatramifiree6249]

According to me it should be tim drake

[@mikesmith145]

@@mrinalmahapatramifiree6249 terry

[@radicalgear391]

@@senshaw6640 Lmao, you’re all over these comments. You have a pre schooler understanding of what makes Batman a cool character. His combat prowess is a means to an end, not his defining feature. If you think Damien is better just because he’s edgy then you don’t like Batman and would probably prefer a full on league of assassins Damian. Which would be boring and lame. A lot of Batman’s goal with Damien was removing that useless brutality and teaching him how to grow as a person and fight crime properly.

[@a.a677]

@@senshaw6640 you know nothing about Batman if you think Dick isn't the true heir and Bruce's true son. Blood relation means nothing.

[@kgkgaming06]

Animated Batman seems a lot nicer than the other Batmans. He isn’t a douche bag! He just didn’t want to hurt Robin. And Robin was the one that punched him. Batman never said “you’re fired” or some crap like that. Robin just left.

[@Jacob-rd2wh]

Anyone else think Nightwing is the best Dc character

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightwing

[@thatqueeroverthere8807]

Me!!!

[@milesmorales6305]

Me

[@senshaw6640]

batman is

[@eivor5453]

Batman is better

[@lewisdavidson571]

I’ve always said Nightwing is the one person that might have a chance against Batman if he had ‘prep time.’

[@senshaw6640]

nightwing cant beat batman we all know that

[@senshaw6640]

@Jeremiah Jean-Philippe batman is a better fighter and is smarter batman could end nightwing with one strike

[@radicalgear391]

@@senshaw6640 Batman has claimed him as his equal in combat multiple times. He’s also more personable and is a much better leader who has learned so much more than Batman alone could teach him. He’s literally just Batman 2: Batman but funnier. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn’t a fan of Batman.

[@camaradiop3731]

Dick Grayson remains my favorite Robin; as Robin & Nightwing, he's the epitome of cool...

[@Fanatic_gamergod]

Am I the only person who constantly rewatches videos on KZbin

[@thecomicorigin244]

I am excited for season 2

[@AllanFox15]

Regarding the bad blood involving Batgirl you could also consider that in some early comics that while Dick had a crush on Batgirl (the Barbara Gordon version not the original) Batgirl had a crush on Batman. In fact during the 70s and 80s most of her relationships involved men of Bruces age as opposed to men her own age. So knowing this i find it funny when people take offense to Barbara sleeping with Batman in the Batman Beyond storyline as well as in the Killing Joke animated film.

[@vigorlilover]

The first falling out story one is my absolute favorite. The second one just seems like they needed or wanted to revamp the storyline and the Babs being pregnant by the father of her boyfriend can literally be seen in any soap opera.

[@Pelican07.23]

Comic books are soap operas.

[@Grayskullstwin]

Arris, your channel is so AWESOME!!! I’m always learning NEW things!! I don’t know Dick had appointed Donna to lead the Titans will he was away! I’ve been watching the Titans series on DC streaming and I’m hooked! Please, please do a “History of DONNA TROY!” =)

[@Frankkenzo]

9:57 Chronologically... shouldn't the Joker be DEAD at this point?

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_(character)

[@TravisPelley]

I'd love to know where you found that awesome Nightwing shirt.

[@julian10102]

Seems like the only time Bruce has really cared about Dick is in Young Justice

[@rashworth080]

The relationship between Batman/ Bruce Wayne and Nightwing/ Dick Greyson reminds me so much of my own relationship with my mother. It's not as messed up up, but still she almost practically resembles Bruce in a lot of ways.

[@creaturegirlandtheavengers6851]

That's sad. Keep on going, sister.

[@sharp52092]

Yeah, I'm not too crazy about the Barbara/Bruce relationship either.

[@kybrie5481]

Batman: it’s a hate love relationship Nightwing: Are u FucKing kidding me

[@darthmortis9960]

He said comic comrades this time, instead of comic conrades :D

[@diegogonzalez9086]

5:49 this is the only time I have know and heard someone express that they love this two things (Batman and justice league in those versions) like I do. When I was still in school, middle and highschool, this was the 2 things that I loved the most. It's so nice and refreshing to hear you say it and that someone else in the world shares this with me, because these are just too good and not many people ever said it

[@wolfiplier6153]

Seeing Bruce and Barbara together... Me: Oh to see without my eyes...and ears 👁👄👁

[@meggrotte4760]

Yeah I never liked the fact that they had him and Batgirl in a relationship. I really don't think he would have done that

[@soccer4207]

The Batman in the last story is just so cold. It's not the character I love. They made him too cold and never even tried to redeem him. It hurts.

[@megareplayshow3494]

I’m new to DC, never really continued after watching as a kid. Now I’m learning about so much as an adult and absolutely loving it. That love triangle story is insane, I never knew about it so that was shocking. excited to keep diving in further

[@Frogman1212]

It isn't canon. At least post crisis.

[@shourov331]

I thought Grayson left Batman cuz he didnt want to be his succesor, the new Batman. He saw how consumed Bruce was by the darkness of his past and Dick wasnt like that. He didnt want to be consumed by the same darkness, since he already avenged his murdered parents in an early age. He's more optimistic and positive. Thats why he dropped the mantle of Robin and decided to be his own man, aka Nightwing.

[@uchihabomber1296]

Every Robin has had a massive argument with Batman

[@mightbearer]

The Bruce Timm fallout was sooooooo messed up!

[@pgnfz]

The best due in fictional history, without a doubt

[@givemeasniff788]

Big problem I have Batman's character sometimes he can feel very shallow I feel like most writers forget about Bruce's Humanity and try to make him this unstoppable emotionless machine you only just cares about getting the job done.

[@arslanbaig1943]

Hi there Here is the thing though, bruce Wayne can become like that sometimes as due to his obsession against crime. I think thats why there is debate among the Fandom on Who is the real mask? Batman or Bruce Wayne?

[@BB-wh2vu]

REALLY wish you brought up the "Training" fight between them before Grayson joins Spiral. It was one of my favorites.

[@Altar360]

I will never understand Bruce Tim’s (or whoever on the team’s) obsession with the Batman/Batgirl pairing.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

That's mostly Bruce timm himself Paul dini had nothing to do with tha he also brought it back in Batman The killing joke animated it was cringey and weird apparently he got some backlash over not by the fans but the people who were workingapparently he want to slip some of that into the original Batman the animated series but he couldn't

[@DaniWatts001]

That's the one thing about the dcau that I despise. Bruce Timm was asked about it at a con and his reason was that it's supposed to be bad. It's supposed to be two adults making a mistake. I still hate it though.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@DaniWatts001 me too it's just weird and messed Batman deserve all the beating dick was giving him

[@CagedPhoenixThe1st]

I don't really care one way or another.

[@kylepietrusiewicz2749]

It's time for the dynamic duo to return on the big screen together

[@T1N-122]

Nightwing is my fav character

[@Ginu214]

My favorite and first moment of their fallout will always be from the DCAU when Dick slugs Bruce. It was heartbreaking and shocking as a child and it still is anytime I rewatch the episode or come across it

[@bmvthemoviefanatic7282]

9:50 If that story is after the love triangle incident, which is after the flashback from Return Of The Joker, how is Joker still alive in the story?

[@r.1882]

How about a video about Dick's friendship with Roy and Wally?

[@p5009]

Omg I never knew about any of this Never knew batman could be so cold

[@badposture4968]

Batman and Robin: Best father and son duo!

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

Thanks so much you for this video! A lot of these variations of their falling out is something I didn't know about! Keep up the great content!

[@ForJustice-bl6rs]

I have a great idea for a new Justice League comic series however not starring the actual big seven but a new team consisting of Nightwing, Wally West/Flash, Supergirl, Atom (Ryan Choi), Zatanna, Green Lantern (Jessica Cruz), and Firestorm (Jason Rusch/Martin Stein). The plot would start with the original League disappearing from a mission in space and the world is now in danger without them to protect them and it’s up to a new team of League to assemble and save the world.

[@Love-Sensibility]

DC sign this man up

[@chaudcarte]

Request:Can you make a video explaining the Orgins of Graviton from Marvel

[@jason15212]

I love all Nightwing costumes but the talk collar on the original was crazy lol. The 2nd and 3rd versions of that colorway as see in the 80’s and 90’s are perfect tho

[@Lucarioguild7]

Please. Stop. Having. Batman. And. Barbara. Bang.

[@Blackwing2040]

That story with Bruce getting Barbara pregnant was nuts. When I first read that story I couldn't believe my eyes

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy

[@emperor_alisi]

They're relationship reminds me too much of my relationship with my own father. 😒

[@kotickyle]

I like these. Do more. Like, Batman and Superman's Relationship or other Heros! I'd watch the hell outta that One of my favorite highlights of their relationship was actually from the Batman:Hush comic. Dick and Bruce are driving to go handle a crime and Dick just brings up him dating Catwoman, giving him relationship advice. He ends up ending it by saying "At least shave" xD It made me laugh, but Bruce remarks how Dick has always talked to him with no fear. It was a nice story beat when Batman is known for being intimidating

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I thought Talia was the only women Bruce ever slept with. I guess Batman needs to put on protection. lol

[@_itsJV]

Nope. There's A LOT. Dick also has a history with a good amount of women as well.

[@brucerodriguez9617]

Selina Kyle

[@vincent_8817]

Come on he is bruce Wayne he had slept with more then one woman

[@Tyler_W]

Not even close. Bruce (and Dick for that matter) are veeeery popular with the ladies. The difference is that Dick has much better judgment in that departnent.

[@jonc2430]

For those wondering, Bruce being with Barbara is not in the main continuity so if you find the Bruce/Barbara things wired it’s not considered canon 👍

[@obiwankenobi4687]

Is no one going to talk about how Batman hits Jason harder than he's ever hit the joker?

[@Fierroandrew21]

I like this type of topic.