The Complicated History of Sunsetting & The DCV - Destiny 2

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Sunsetting, it’s a word that makes every destiny player clinch their fists and it’s the one word that will make all eyes jump up in fear they’re about to get smacked. A simple concept, with a long history of damage to the franchise. With a lot of revisions over the years and with the most recent announcement of all weapons being set free from level caps with Bungie actively looking to add all of the sunset weapons back into the pool, we should talk about the Complicated History of Sunsetting, the DCV, and why Destiny’s sunset problem might have been their biggest of ALL TIME!
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Chapters:
Intro: 0:00
Definition and Background: 2:52
Implementation and Reactions: 13:18
Reversal of Sunsetting: 20:27
The Post Sunset 1.0 Problems: 25:00
Conclusion: 42:26
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Music:
Dust - Hotline Miami 2 Wrong Number OST
Outcast of the Sulphurous Seas - Terraria Calamity mod OST
Fallen Down (reprise) - Undertale OST
Aldia, Scholar of the First Sin - Dark Souls 2 OST
The Step Below Hell - Terraria Calamity mod OST
The Dreaming City - Destiny 2 Forsaken OST
Another Medium - Undertale OST
The World Looks Red - Ultrakill OST
Rapid as Wildfires - Genshin Impact OST

[@evanf1997]

Okay.. so again.. I am going to be doing the pantheon event on stream with exclusive twitch drops in a Bungie sponsored event (I DON'T KNOW HOW EITHER PLEASE DON'T ASK LMAO)! So it would be sick if everyone came by, it's every tuesday for the next 5 weeks.. Yeah.. thanks for all the love you guys show on videos as it it, thank you thank you!

[@V-Vuheli]

DOES THAT MEAN THE PLANETS WILL RETURN?! (that'd be cool lol)

[@jasonkeely7269]

I work in government contracts and I wonder if an underlying catalyst was a rights issue with Activision, HM, and VV. The timing of it all made me raise my eyebrows and the only other thing I could think of would have been what server farm they had contracts with before and after the split. If any of this is a contracts issue it will be buried under a pile of NDA's and we'll never know the true reason.

[@XUtionerx]

ok im pulling out a recluse for my titan

[@Mister_Puffins]

Just make sure to not call him bald or you will have to pay...

[@amazin_faith7687]

ILL WATCH BUT ILL BE IN CLASS THE NEXT TWO WEEKS!! My professor shouldn't mind tho :D

[@freshmilk4631]

The destiny community doesn’t always agree, but everyone unanimously agrees that the DCV was the worst thing to happen to the game.

[@T3chn0Panda]

not me homie. Could care less. Im ok with change. Old content that isnt designed for new meta. I can see for newer players but ive never had a problem besides missing the old raids . So unanimously -1

[@scxm8825]

@@T3chn0Panda🤓☝️

[@oxsila]

@@scxm8825 When you don't have an arguement and just resort to adhom emoting

[@dayhaven8442]

​@oxsila straight up tho and look at his likes, other clowns

[@scxm8825]

@@oxsila *tips fedora*

[@ibrahimmoinhaque569]

Bungie just went "blind man with Alzheimer's forgets he is blind is able to see again"

[@ChadWarwick0]

But still got Alzheimer's.

[@andykazoo]

Christmas. I got Destiny 2 for Christmas. I played Destiny 1 with friends before, and my family knew it was something I liked. I didn't want to buy Destiny 2 for myself because I was in high school and didn't have an income. My parents got Destiny 2 as a gift, and watched me play the Red War campaign Christmas day. They were never interested in my gaming hobby before. Going Lightless to Guardian again was a good memory, and I did it with my family. Later, I fell away from Destiny for Fortnite with friends. Then, I learned Red War was "Sunset." Just a fancy word for deleting something I thought I had on my shelf. I vowed to never return to Destiny because it was no longer something I could share with people I cared about. I like to share cool experiences with my younger siblings. I couldn't stand the fomo. For some reason, I've never unsubscribed from Destiny creators. I've always loved the world and it's gameplay potential. Following the hype for Final Shape has got me tempted to step back in after years away. Evan, I love your content. From my perspective, sunsetting is THE reason I never returned to playing Destiny. I kinda expected you to flame Bungie more in this video. If you made it this far, thanks for reading my thoughts lol.

[@Kyubii01]

I agree 100% with your thoughts. I went through the same thing. Don’t be surprised that evanf and other content creators don’t flame bungie. Most content creators don’t go at bungie because this is their only source of income. They damage control for bungie to try to retain players but half the issues would be solved if people went at bungie the way we did when taken king was announced. They said TK was 60 dollars and everyone thought it was wack especially after two meh expansions that were really dlcs . They lowered the price to 40 . If we held bungie accountable more rather than when it’s cool to do so, we would be in a better place.

[@scxm8825]

@@Kyubii01dude, people have been complaining about sunsetting for YEARS what are you yapping about

[@huskycruxes7232]

I haven’t played the game in years, but played it religiously at launch and I loved the red war campaign. Especially some of the music from it. It’s a crime new players won’t be able to listen to journey while walking up that mountain

[@andykazoo]

Update: I installed again. Into The Light is pretty fun. After I made a nice arc build, I got carried by a warlock and hunter. I got shiny edge transit God roll. That's probably the only highlight of my time with Destiny. There is sooo much word vomit. Pop-ups, bottom notifications, side quest notifications, guardian rank, auto-tracked quests for DLC I don't own... I'm just done. I put in extra effort researching verbs and perks. Like what's the point? So many descriptors exist in the menus, and they are misleading. Weapon perks have descriptors for "increased damage" but some perks do more than others. It was a nightmare to learn what weapons were safe to dismantle. My vault was full of weapons with perk combos I wanted to try. I was getting into it to play with my brother. If I was struggling as a fps veteran, he would fail miserably as a noob. RIP the dream.

[@gaminginthestars4262]

I still to this day think the DCV could have been completely avoided. Imagine if they took a "Call of duty" style route with it. You wanna play just multiplayer and don't touch zombies? Just don't install zombies. Don't play multiplayer either but like warzone? So only install warzone. Take that concept and apply it too the DLC for Destiny. You beat the Red war, and Forsaken and don't need to play those store lines rn? Uninstall them. Got everything in the leviathan? Unistall it. Want too re-experience Forsaken with a friend? Re-install it. Make it the players choice when they wanna access what they purchased.

[@turbo6328]

Feels like the Tiger engine can't handle this

[@raritybelle6876]

@@turbo6328with stories I think it can. Just bunch of maps and cutscenes for optional download

[@JustinSimoneau]

Exactly it would be so much simpler to do.

[@dmruggabugga6270]

​@@turbo6328 the tiger engine is just a heavily modified blam engine (what bungie used for halo and what 343 have used) and mcc has system don't like halo 4 don't install it

[@turbo6328]

@@dmruggabugga6270 Yeah i know it's a modified version, but can it handle it ? 343 modified the original engine for it specifically, can the destiny modified engine incorporate this system, while not breaking everything ? I don't know shit about coding, building engines or modofying them, but i know for sure it's insanely hard

[@DriftHunter34]

I would probably say that sunseting is the most thing that terrifies me when I play destiny in mostly anything

[@AnAbsoluteUnit]

Well... it eases the mind that Bungie finally drove the final nail on Sunsetting's coffin.

[@magnummer]

Not only do I think that they should bring all the dcv content back. But I think all of the d1 campaign should be in d2 legends tab to be played in legend difficulty.

[@beeman4266]

I too want a 300gb game.

[@magnummer]

@@beeman4266 yes, but unironically

[@gaminginthestars4262]

Yes exactly, then allow us too choose which DLC we have installed so when I beat it again, it doesn't take up extra storage unless I want it too

[@Grassdia]

I’d love that but genuinely the minimum they should do is bring back Titan and IO for red war and because they had 2 of the best destiny strikes ever imo

[@endar2401]

It would still be different. I think instead they should just make the Destiny 1 experience better by doing a PC port, crossplay, and current gen system updates. There's too much content in Destiny 1 that it would take ages for them to remake it into Destiny 2. But an update to the already existing game would be fantastic.

[@humonculusroguthetumor7535]

Sunsetting gear vs content such as campaigns and raids that we paid for is a distinction that needs to be made. At least with Disney if you bought the movie you could watch it as much as you want because you BOUGHT IT! I’ve never before paid so much to rent a video game that I thought I was buying not renting.

[@darklightlegacyxx2605]

If nothing related to the story was ever removed, we'd have a god tier game and a better experience for new players

[@Aarkwrite]

Exactly this.

[@vertical_parallel]

"lost in time, like tears in the rain" i love you evan

[@gabrielevolsa9829]

i feel like with no story you feel like a guardian while with the story you feel like THE guardian

[@grimreaper6366]

As a D1 player who got the game around the rise of irons release, I remember really getting into the game because of the fact that all the main campaigns were still a part of the game. I had the ability to learn and play through the WHOLE story and grow connected to the characters and plot. Your thoughts on the fact that the story for us vetrans is almost 6 years old, but complelty brand new to new players really opened my eyes when considering how I started this Destiny jorney so long ago. If we don't give new players context for the story, visual and gameplay scenarios that they themselves experience, and build up to later events in the game, Destiny as a franchise loses context, losses meaning, and looses players.

[@waffles8512]

another evening, another Evanf vid to be consumed

[@simplychrisit]

32:27 is that Liyue song from Genshin Impact? For a second i was confused to hear this song while you were talking about D2 😅

[@picklerick2861]

Yeah, it's the liyue battle sound track. I was very confused as I was at doing stuff in Fontaine while watching it. Either Evan found it in a random playlist or he's a fellow Genshin player.

[@simplychrisit]

@@picklerick2861 Same, i wash in the kitchen so i was only hearing the video ahah

[@jamescromwell5646]

I have never been more relieved that I kept all my “sunset” gear in the vault and have not dismantled any of the weapons when bungie announced that they’re reversing sunsetting 😁

[@ethankim7979]

I was just too lazy lmao, but no one needs to know. As far as my friends are concerned, I was a prophet 😂

[@NeroLucifarious]

2nd comment. I like how you mentioned "bungie didnt know how attached we were to our loot" Which is funny cause in the live action trailer/ad with cayde explaining how the cabak took from us specifically the "loot theyve taken from us"

[@cbro79]

DCV. You took my Forsaken from me...

[@anonyorb4197]

I wonder does that mean the only truly never escaped unsettling fusion rifle, pocket infinity, shall return

[@user-ku8yi5to4f]

No

[@SlimeyZockt]

I have 4 guns I am so attached to I cannot without, but 3 of these were sunset and I deleted them (RIP) Bygones, Threat Level and Misfit were such good feeling weapons to me, at least I still have my Seventh Seraph SI-2. At least one survived the purge I started in Shadowkeep as a F2P, I saw the downfall of the F2P Players first hand

[@pocketvoid]

I started before the game became free... i bought the game for 3 days after to become free and now i have to spend even more money in dlc's (i already bought some dlc's anyways but at last i would like to get something for that money i wasted to buy the game)(i have a phisical copy of the dam game) and that can be used as proof :)

[@UncleBensQuickRice]

why are you attached to them just use a different gun

[@SlimeyZockt]

@@UncleBensQuickRice and that is exactly why you missed the point. It never has been about performance but feel

[@xinfr4z893]

Amazing video, as always!

[@EtherealPhantom]

Haven’t listened to Outcast of the Sulphurous Sea (second song) in a long time. I like your usage of it here.

[@jakeelson6705]

another banger video evanf

[@ArinTv999]

Sun setting was the worst thing to happen. IMAGINE THE RED WAR STORY WITH STRAND AND TELL ME we wouldn't shit on literally everything

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

That intro was HYPE! I can't wait to watch. Anyways I will leave my usual essay of a comment later when I get off work lol.

[@TheCodaCrew]

I'd love to see some sort of legacy tab that had a playlist of missions from seasons past that were good. each mission would have a lootpool of the best weapons from that season, that the community thoroughly enjoyed. That way players like me who started recently in terms of expansions can see exactly what we missed.

[@stullex_]

damn Evan you are quick with your topics

[@Zakharon]

Imma be honest, maybe Bungie needs to make a side game that contains the sunset campaigns that is singleplayer only with premade characters you can choose from, a hunter, titan or warlock kind of like a halo campaign.

[@oxsila]

it's a nice idea in theory but they're literally trying to make final shape, it's episodes and marathon. where are they gonna find the resources for this

[@ProdByAD21]

Good luck in the pantheon man. Exciting

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

D1 Taken King was the best DLC ever. Wrath of the Machine was the most fun raid ever.

[@Walter__Clements]

Yep, and of course we had to get Crota’s End back instead of that

[@DrSleeperAgent]

I feel sorry for Line in the Sand, a season of dawn linear fusion that was one season away from being one of the most meta weapons before being sunset. Now its coming back and linears are far from meta.

[@TsullArcanum]

I honestly think a much better way to handle sunsetting would've been to create an activity/difficulty modifier for seasonal-only weapons. It would make creating builds for those endgame activities much more interesting, while still allowing you to freely use & keep your favorite weapons in normal play.

[@Sayocakes]

It's honestly absurd what they have gotten away and still get away with. In Terms of content quality , length, monetization models ... I just started playing again and I can't buy just one season except the latest one without buying the annual pass. Dungeon passes... Ugh ... Biggest current love hate relationship in my life

[@THEELEMENTKING]

I finally did a vault cleaning about a week before bungie announced this. I deleted some of my favorite weapons because why would I need them anymore? :(

[@mrcrabominablevods3477]

The questions I was asking when I came back were: Who is Shaw Han? Where's Omnigul? Who's Navota? Who's this giant cabal we became friends with? Where's the Red War campaign?

[@WoozyD20]

Lets go evan!!!

[@dravenoth421]

The idea of the DSV killed the game for me for a long time. I came back recently after seeing the final shape but the idea that the content and quests I have can just be removed still hurts

[@JustinSimoneau]

To this date the storage excuse is still not valid just put the other area as dlc that you can choose to have installed or not. Put all the armor and weapons on the base game instal and the destination on dlc that you can always choose to keep or not

[@dhammergaming3970]

Good luck man

[@mindofthemuseless]

Spire was nearly unplayable before sunset. The ship destruction mechanic was broken. ):

[@DjentyB]

Bungie could implement a Halo MCC download select system for D2, that could get around the "storage issues"

[@willh3530]

Love the Skeletor sound fx when bringing up deleted content 😂

[@Olgod2004]

Evan using the terraria calamity mod desert scourge boss theme song!?!? That’s a throw back

[@ryanbeatty3022]

It only took historically low pre sales & a near sony takeover for them to give in

[@avweasel6020]

I cried the day the Leviathan raid was vaulted. Not because I liked the raid, only beat it once, but because it was my favorite spot to go masterwork exotic catalyst. I would just say in the key room and kill wave after wave of mobs. Was my favorite place, never had to worry about other players taking my kill since I would dive in solo.

[@NikoTheTerrible]

Dunno if this is a hot take or not, but I miss the Tangled Shore...

[@IRONWOLFZz]

nah the tangled shore was a cool location and would have been nice if it stayed

[@oxsila]

I miss it, but at the same time I remember when it was out not caring about anything in it except Hollowed Lair and Warden of Nothing. I just want them to bring back Hollowed Lair and i'll be satisfied personally

[@Chaos-2871]

25:05 ULTRAKILL OST JUMPSCARE🗣‼️🔥🔥

[@colddripgaming]

My biggest issue is them charging for old packs still where a lot of the content has been “sunset”. If you sunset it then the rest of the content should be free

[@colddripgaming]

I also hate that as a new player a large portion of the story is gone forcing me to go to youtube for the content to know what the hell is going on. The new player experience is abysmally bad even without that.

[@masondowling5967]

Is that a Destiny VIDEO WITH HOTLINE MIAMI MUSIC

[@SealFormulaMaster]

Know the truly baffling thing about removing content to "save space"? If you go Out of Bounds, you can find, either in whole or part, various activities. Did you know the Forges are, with the exception of one or two, still in the game and can be reached by going Out of Bounds? Or that there are, to this very day, locations Out of Bounds that have yet to be used, like Galaxy Pools or Iron Forest? And that content from Destiny 1 is for some reason Out of Bounds, like Caydes Stash and D1 Mars? As I told a friend at the time, the DCV wasn't done for the players, but for the Investors. Bungie didn't do it because of Cross, Datto, Evan, or anyone else, at least not directly. Boiled down, in American law it is illegal to make decisions that wouldn't make them money. Because the DCV and Sunsetting would force players to buy more and more content to replace what they lost each season, the DCV and Sunsetting were likely seen as a way to print money for the Investors. For Crafting, I think a good way to deal with it is by removing the ability to Enhance perks, and reserve that ability for Adept style weapons. It gives players weapons that are good enough, like Curated rolls were suppose to, that would allow them to go for better weapons. Targeted Redaction is a great starter weapon, but if you want something better you need to get an Igneous Hammer or Exalted Truth and Enhance their perks. Crafting should be a jumping off point to get you geared up for Trials, Raids, Grandmasters, Dungeons, whatever, so we can start farming those weapons. Other issue, some of the best weapons are craftable. The BXR is one of the best Pulses simply because it has a unique frame that no other weapon has. Same goes for the new Mountaintop. We really need more weapons with these frames that CAN'T be crafted, that way people can get their Curated Mountaintop and crafted BXR, have weapons that are "good enough" but want to get better weapons along the way. That's kind of why Bungie gave us Succession and Forbearance again. Give players that little taste of Raid weapons so they feel the need to farm.

[@Anoki_S1]

YOOOO?!?!!?! I hear Calamity Mod OST!!! Good shit Evan! 🤘

[@RyanGaudet-og9tx]

They were selling the forsaken dlc for full price a day b4 it was vaulted. Disgusting and a absolutely embarrassing slap to the face to the consumer

[@pingawingman7710]

Ngl I zoned out while playing destiny and listening to this and that clip about the cruise ship had me thinking the video changed lmfao

[@minchacaalex2125]

My Foggy Notion and I are shaking with excitement until the day we reunite

[@matthew4031]

I'm very happy for everyone who still has their sunset stuff in their vault. I very sad I don't have my old weapons anymore.

[@izanagipotatopc]

Ultrakill ost included

[@jsoc303]

one of the best videos of the last few months, if not years. I can only confirm everything and you are doing a good job, critical, constructively critical, but never toxic. So much has been packed into the DCV and we're all just coming to terms with it, but that's wrong. Bungie should find technical ways to give purchased content such as DLCs back to anyone who buys it. Seasons are temporary, but you can think about that too. And the worst thing was removing a main campaign in D2, the worst. The speaker dies and so there is deep lore that continues to this day but new players will never understand. That's why the player count will only increase with releases and then immediately decrease because the overall concept is absolute crap.💜

[@therockfan10001]

Ngl? I think they have done a pretty good job of handling loot without requiring sunsetting. New perks that are better than older ones or introduce a new way to achieve a type of damage (DM vs Sword Logic, Rampage vs Killing Tally) And power restricted content prevents power creep in the content that it matters most in.

[@mrbungieiscool]

I lost my whole clan to sunsetting 85 good players gone forever RIP

[@roffel99]

First Song is M.O.O.N - Dust its really good

[@balengd5402]

I came back to the game in August after being away for 5 years, excited to replay Red War/Osiris/Warmind/Forsaken, only to find that it was ALL GONE. I hadnt kept up with the game, so I had no idea

[@reforged1649]

Lets go. Time for my Prototype Black Armory set again

[@karolclark791]

I came back for the first time in years. And first things I noticed is that the expansions I paid for like COO and Forsaken are completely gone. And all my gear is now ass, "this perk has been depreciated". Wtf

[@XmasReaper_4414]

Still won't be happy with bungie until all content from the dcv comes back. Raids, planets, stories..

[@djrockfor8694]

I think the absolute worst thing bungie did though was take away the free storyline of red war just to make the new story behind a dlc paywall. They converted their free game into a paid game, because there was almost no reason to play for free anymore

[@user-ox5br8bg2t]

I played the most during the fatebringer, spindle, gally meta. I chased more loot than ever. It was so fun and satisfying that I couldn't get enough. I was upset when they needed everything in D1. I quit playing when they transitioned to D2. Why would I play so much and try so hard just to have things made obsolete or non-existent. Haven't played in years. I just come here because I'm still interested in the story

[@27th-Rion]

😘 keep up the good work bro

[@BobMarley-ck4wv]

Aquatic Scourge background music is peak

[@Grand_Master_Skywalker]

I really miss the weekly heroic story missions rotation. And I miss IO. And I miss the side missions or “Adventures” across all the planets we had during the red war campaign. And I miss people being patient when helping people who haven’t done a raid or dungeon before because none of their irl friends play D2 anymore.

[@panduhh_]

I got my gf into destiny 2 recently and it sucks she can’t play the free campaigns to understand the game a bit better and fall in love with the game the same way I did. It’s hard to get new players to stay nowadays

[@ijustliketowatchvideosandc8630]

I'm sorry but people/bungie blaming older consoles for the DCV is a blatant lie and needs to stop. They say it was a storage problem ok well what storage problem because Destiny 2 before DCV happened was around 100GB+ in storage size and for example a PS4 has 500GB internal storage and can have upto 2TB with an external drive. So even if you added the DCV size to the current size of around 112.8GB you would still have lots of room and thats not even taking into account that update override files and don't always add to storage. Bungie just took the cheaper root of removing Old stuff so they wouldn't have to pay for more work. Also many games on PS4 are way larger than Destiny 2.

[@harshitverma2951]

My brother in christ do you not remember how damn long it took to load anything in the game pre-DCV? You would sit in the loading screen for almost 5-7 minutes and it was PAINFUL. I am not defending DCV cause I hated it myself but older generation consoles definitely played a very big reason if not the main.

[@bradstical86]

It's not purely a giga bite issue 💀 As bro said above me load times were absolute cheeks I remeber taking legitimately 10 minutes to load into crucible matches

[@idokwatcher2062]

@@harshitverma2951 That has nothing to do with red war missions. Your inventory is more like a "website" on the back-end. You flying into crucible match is peer to peer connection to all 11 other players in the game. None of those actions load textures of red war. Sunsetting was a scam.

[@user-th4ir7qm3q]

i miss titan and mars so damn much

[@dylanowens7902]

Same. So many hours spent on those and Io too. Really hope they bring them back after final shape.

[@RurouniHiro]

The biggest reason and difference between sunsetting in diablo or watcraft… you don’t really USE the weapon. Or as popularly referred to as stat sticks, the player doesn’t actually use the weapons, so the weapon is gonna operate the same no matter what, due to a lack of personal direct control. Which is why Destiny has a more extreme extensive response, you are the guardian, you assemble your kit to your specs, control and direct you space magic. You pick and choose the weapons that will define you. And those weapons can be marked by us for their performance and reliability.

[@Ottersanity]

I don’t know why Bungie doesn’t do a weekly rotational system for seasonal activities based on the year. Do Black Armory, Reckoning, and the Menagerie for a Forsaken year. And have them rotate once a week. That way it gives players a way to chase for their favorite weapons

[@MakutaOfficial]

millions of people quit over this one decision.

[@beasthercules5807]

The undertale music in the background gets me so nostalgic, guess I’ll be playing undertale again

[@church0880]

I regret deleting my Perfect Paradox.

[@GargantuanMetal]

Covid is really when i poured the most time into D2, Lots of us were really figuring out how to navigate how to treat each other properly during the confusion. I'll never forget being able to disconnect from the world for those 2 years. Work, Destiny 2, sleep. It almost felt like i WAS a guardian. As unfortunate that time was for humanity, being the isolationist I am, it created a world I felt comfortable to live in, when the real world wasn't. ps.. funny guns, made me feel like a god, and that was arguably the best weekend of my life.

[@Huh1524]

Rest in peace my perfect paradox I should have never left you 😓

[@wolfmirebacta8710]

Last I heard, they actually did a massive Engine overhaul. Plus you got to think of it like this. They probably have newer and better ways to code than they did in the beginning. Think of it like setting cables for your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare to recable everything after you’ve glued it in

[@OracleOfTheOasis]

As a person just now returning after not having played since the Season of Opulence, I can confirm that I have no idea wtf is going on

[@alexanderminas28]

One of these reasons i told myself to lock my No Turning Back.

[@huskycruxes7232]

It hurts my soul that new players will never be able to experience the red war. Specifically some of the musical moments like when your guardian lost his light and was retreating from the tower. The song “Journey” that plays is gorgeous and it’s a crime new players won’t experience that moment

[@ImNotHereTBH]

I honestly think bungie should try implementing a system where you can choose what content is installed, so you could for instance have a red war pack with two parts, the campaign, and the raid. Then players can choose what packs they want and if they want both the campaigns and raids of a pack or both. Obviously weapons, Armour, currencies and so on would stay regardless as well as things like strikes and pvp maps but it would allow players to choose what they want to keep whilst allowing bungie to keep the game small for most players. Heck they could even have packs for things like dares of eternity and seasons. Before anyone says it, I know this is most likely impossible to implement for one reason or another I just believe it would be worth it

[@wedoalittlearson7609]

I just want all the old activities and locations back. Being told a story is never going to match playing a part IN the story.

[@John_II]

Sunsetting & The DCV = why I quit Destiny 2. Putting all the weapons back in the pool now makes sense because the game is almost done, they might as well let it all go. Now just bring back all the old levels, strikes, gambit maps, crucible maps, etc. and I might even consider coming back.

[@bradstical86]

They need a fresh slate Adding it all back would cause way touch technical issues I feel like we could fuck with the campaigns and some maps but that'd be about it

[@John_II]

@@bradstical86 I hear you. :)

[@bradstical86]

@@John_II i do want the gambit maps as u said tho😭 I used to be one of those lil gambit kids

[@masterabaddon6992]

My theory is that all of this, combined with other things like the new class exotics, is that they're part way through making Destiny 3 so most of this wont matter in the end.

[@Randomperson462]

Funny thing about this is that i actually farmed Year 2 weapons in D1 again.

[@BigBoiBerri]

I agree it should be an option to download which raid you wanna hop into . Ex: if I wanna play VOG I’d select it and restart the game which would uninstall the previous raid I was doing and download VOG. Every raid id hover over would tell me how many downloads that raid has so I can assume if I can get in a fire time quickly or I’ll need to have the patience for. Also old previous content story missions should be shortened or summed up to a couple of missions.

[@frozenreaper5028]

This is a side of Destiny we may see soon again!

[@bugg6597]

14:22 bungie stated it became hard updating new content in the game that would break a dozen old things

[@thenewera07official]

YO THATS DUST BY MOON this song slaps bro

[@AntonioGutierrez-zu3rv]

I have friends who want to play but would love if all the content was playable back from Redwar but probably will never touch d2 now since its gone in the void forever

[@brayden9129]

35:09 Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.

[@albertsantiago4673]

I played red wars then stopped. Tried playing it this last weekend but couldn’t get past loading screen

[@Silath01]

The aggravating thing, is if they never sunset I would probably be playing it to this day. However I refuse to play or pay anything for it until I can play what’s on the disk of destiny 2

[@misfit1422]

I LOVEEE TERRARIA, love the Calamity and Vanilla music

[@KakamileRS]

It doesn't help that they NEVER ACTUALLY VAULTED. Maps that were the reason they "had" to vault remained in the game and accessible by oob'ing, so they ate data storage but we lacked the ability to play. And then "sunset" gear was either never sunset (raids) or perma-sunset (seasons) so there was no replayability.

[@user-ku8yi5to4f]

How can you forget when the most used words at the time was "sunset luke Smith" good times

[@ebas21]

Now your good story telling makes sense. You are a Hollywood writer

[@randymeadows6647]

Lost my Ring Tail. Still hurts me.