The Continued Failure of Multiversus.

[@KarubeePlanetRobobot]

Nickelodeon All Star Brawl walked, so that Muiltiversus could run, then trip, then ultimately lose the race

[@gligarguy4010]

I think the second one didn't play too bad, but I always hated the mobile-game ass graphics of those games.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

​@@gligarguy4010the graphics of the second game are really good though. For how hard getting 2D characters to work in 3D, especially for certain shows like Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenage Robot, and ESPECIALLY Ren and Stimpy, they did amazingly.

[@majoraxx2427]

I love nasb 2. Wish more people played it. El Tigre was done right in that game 😌

[@captainnavigator6534]

Nasb 1 has the stupidest movement in any platfighter with the airdash, Nasb 2 has both a really good implementation of meter and freaking roman cancels, peak kusoges. Hope the devs get bigger budgets and less pushback from Nick next go around, they are clearly talented.

[@unofficialmeme5972]

Both were trash.

[@Anskee]

I reinstalled this game when raven dropped just for her, and when i understood how the fighter road worked i instantly uninstalled again and havent looked back

[@iluvchess14736]

It's designed like the starr road from brawl stars but in brawl stars you can randomly get a brawlers you aren't unlocking and the brawlers arent based on super popular characters that some people might only download the game to play Also when brawl stars adds a new character you have the option to move your credits to them so you can play them too

[@chrismclean4789]

@@iluvchess14736 Ok?

[@kalvin187douglas]

I wanna reinstall the game after learning Marceline is now on the game

[@turrican3839]

Or just get blessed by Starr drops and get a good stack of credits or a whole brawler, I had a friend who got Kenji just as they were working towards unlocking him ​@@iluvchess14736

[@slothtingz1035]

Literally same. Mind you when the game first dropped for their beta or whatever I got the deluxe with like 20 character tokens and once I saw a leak saying Raven is going to be a character I was saving them and then I return and my tokens nowhere to be found… robbery I’m fearing.

[@Tsunder623]

Its crazy how the game itself is decent, but the progression is genuinely SO BAD that it kills the game.

[@michaell.2100]

So true 😔 i love cartoon network and dc but the grind is too much

[@heathcIiff_LCB]

Its insane how they expect you to no life this game for months to finish the battle pass

[@juliodealmada9353]

@@heathcIiff_LCB girl when was the last time you played this game??? the battlepass is completed easily by doing dailies and weekly missions, and those take like an hour at most, fighters road is an actual issue and you complaining about the battlepass of all things???

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@heathcIiff_LCB The BP is generous. With barely any play, I could complete it with 20ish days to go.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

My experience has been the opposite: easy progression but mundane because of the janky core gameplay.

[@StarMechV]

I feel Multiversus should have just been paid. No F2P The ammount of grind and over monetization that the game has under the excuse of being F2P was oneo my mayor turn offs. Also just wanna point out Marvel Rivals released with all their characters free from start andwill continue to do so....and lo and behold its doing NUMBERS

[@Billymaysx]

Not really fair to bring up Marvel Rivals considering it has 10x the budget and is in a genre that has proven to work in a live service format.

[@jmaster4941]

@@Billymaysx Yeah Overwatch proved that it can. A fighting game like this meanwhile needs to be strong from the start. This is why Smash, Tekken, and Street Fighter are successful.

[@StarMechV]

@@Billymaysx WB has the money to invest in countless IP and could easily spend the right budget for this kind of game.

[@Billymaysx]

@@StarMechV They don't want to because it would be considered too big of a risk. Fighting games generally don't retain well. Same thing happened with Sparkling Zero recently. Marvel Rivals is in a genre that has proven to be successful. Overwatch, a team shooter with a 22% rating on Steam still pulls 30k players. That is double the players Brawlhalla has, AKA the leading Platform Fighter live service game in the genre.

[@ThekidSpot]

@@Billymaysx and that 30k is only on one platform who knows how much it has on console and battle net (which is said to be the main way pc players play it)

[@SirLightsOut99]

I hate seeing this game fail because conceptually it's cool, but on the other hand seeing David Zaslav's plans for a live service WB Games empire being drug through the dirt again and again is so satisfying. Since Discovery Plus just won't die the man's gotta take an L somewhere.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Will David Zaslav ever learn from any of his mistakes?

[@Reverse-Goku]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Definitely not 🤦‍♂️

[@tritonhill9684]

Whats the beef with David? /gen

[@Rocketcow-dx1jd]

@@tritonhill9684 He cancelled Coyote vs Roadrunner post production as it was set to go to theaters and removed both Tiny toon adventures and Animaniacs off of hulu & still has not put these shows on max in their full uncensored glory. And that's just the beginning.

[@doubleoart07]

Marvel Rivals is what I wanted Multiverses to be (In terms of simplicity and monetization fairness) Im over 100 hours in with Marvel Rivals and only played a few hours of Multiverses

[@themonkeyisland2208]

I’m so sad that my darling Batman was left behind while my darling Spider-Man is feasting.

[@zkrvo]

@@themonkeyisland2208shut up

[@BenFoster-cx4em]

rivals is only fun for bad players. the matchmaking cheats to get shitters to spend more money.

[@doubleoart07]

@ I don’t gaf about your opinion 😇

[@lucaoprea112]

​@BenFoster-cx4em how does matchmaking make you spend money????

[@flapjack1158]

Also I hate how the game makes it so that when you win, on other people screens you’re not moving, or you just jump off the stage. What the hell is the point of taunts if we can’t use them at the end of a match. When else would we be able to use them?

[@dudder6633]

You could ask the same about Smash Bros aswell, and i don't agree. To me the problem isn't really the ending screen not letting you use taunts, it's the fact that it's so long in the first place. Just let people skip.

[@stardarkk]

I made a reddit post about this and a dev messaged me back, he claimed it's a bug they couldn't fix for seasons, something something unreal engine

[@SaneU_c]

@@stardarkkit was working until id say season 3 for me. Idk if it’s really a bug or just a “bug” to appease the ego’s of those who were crying from ppl tbagging them

[@BlkSpyDa]

Wait what. People don’t see your taunts after a victory?

[@stardarkk]

@@BlkSpyDa not unless ur standing still and do it RIGHT when the match ends

[@c1tyboyzulutv]

What also needs to be said, is that the devs and project community managers are horrible at promoting their own game outside of big events or new season content. For example, NAKAT (who is almost like a face of multiversus) along with Ajax, NEVER PLAY THEIR OWN GAME. When NAKAT is live on twitch, he plays every other game live, but multiversus. Some would say, "well he works on the game all day and might not want to play it on stream for that reason" however, people like Maximillion Dood, creator of the MvCI&Beyond (Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Mod) are willing to play their own creation on stream and promote it. Maximillion has done a better job showcasing his MOD for a game he doesnt even get paid from, than the whole team of multiversus has ever done showcasing why multiversus is a good game to play.

[@prestonpowell9222]

Funny I saw one of those two hyping the game on Twitter, saying he likes the new character and is playing them in his free time. Ignoring whether or not he can or should bust out the upcoming stuff on stream, he sure isn't being consistent between statements and actions.

[@MF_MAJIN]

I agree Nakat has been streaming marvel rivals and smash recently. I would understand if he played multi for a few hours doing community stuff and answering questions from sane people ofc. But he just plays the game normally and thinks he’s doing something by playing customs with tournament/more known streamer players. I’d like him to do community events as a community manager promoting the party games but also running small tournaments on his stream to represent both sides. I’ve never heard about the marvel vs capcom mod dev but just from you giving some insight it looks like he’s done more than the entire multiverse team💀

[@c1tyboyzulutv]

@@prestonpowell9222 And that's the problem. The inconsistency of how, not just Nakat, but most of PFG only post some things here and there, but you never see them streaming their game and really going all out for it.

[@c1tyboyzulutv]

@@MF_MAJIN I've seen him play smash and not only that, when rivals of aether 2 dropped, he was streaming that. He has streamed those two games, more times than he streamed his own platformer. Now of course just because he works on multiversus, doesn't mean he can't like other platformers, but you would think one would at least allocate SOME TIME to their OWN game and community. I mean setting aside 1-2 hours a day to just play the game with your community and vibe with people to get them excited about YOUR game, should not be that hard, seeing how he's doing the same thing, just never while playing multiversus.

[@MF_MAJIN]

@ I agree I’d think with the controversy and player morale around the game he’d think of getting players together to do events or ask his higher ups to be able to take Q&As in stream. Especially since shields have been out for a month. I’m not tryna be an arm chair dev but for the problems in the game are so apparent I gotta be in my arm chair dev phase.

[@Scouthedog1]

As someone who spent way too much time playing this game and was obsessed with it for an amount of time yeah I agree with everything you said in this video. I recently uninstalled after playing it religiously for months. Multiversus Had so much potential that, unfortunately, has been squandered

[@KINGVENEDITZ]

I love your animations 😄

[@senzanome9824]

I just love a game with characters so varied and who wouldn't appear in other games, so I'm sorry it fails because it's actually full of problems

[@LaboomOficial]

I truly love this game, and even with the mistakes they make, I keep buying the skins. But one thing is very clear and needs to be fixed immediately for this game to succeed and not die: they need to change the marketing and development teams. The marketing team uses old and outdated strategies, and besides failing to do the basic communication for a game, they don’t communicate game updates clearly and in advance. Many times, these updates don’t work because of issues on the developers’ side. The only thing that saves this game is the art team (character design, skins, dialogues, environments, stages, cosmetics, animation, etc.).If marketing and dev teams will not be aligned, this game will not grow. Marketing isn’t just about choosing the next characters for the game but about how you build audience anticipation for each character, how you communicate and celebrate their arrival in the game, and how you bring this universe into the game (and how you sell it too). Marketing is also about clearly communicating the updates coming to the game and treating your community with respect and honesty regarding any issues that may arise. And for this, there needs to be a development team aligned so that both can deliver what they say and promise, while being open to listening to the community and implementing improvements in game balance. Thats it. Anyone who has played MultiVersus knows its potential and greatness, but unfortunately, the game's management has yet to reach the level of excellence needed for it to grow and thrive.

[@yagotoons2501]

Laboom! Vc aqui?

[@LaboomOficial]

@@yagotoons2501 kkkk Oi 🤓

[@LaboomOficial]

@@yagotoons2501 Oi 😁😁

[@elkarlo1593]

Fighter road is actually a lot faster than fighter currency, but the problem of not being able to choose who you unlock outside of a microscopic prechosen 3 character pool per level, on top of locking all the newest fighters until the very end, is still enough to make it a worse system than Fighter Currency was

[@BenetteG]

Since MVS is trying so hard to be a gacha game, they might as well implement a Banner system. I bet it would be faster way to get characters than Fighter Road.

[@leyendaarg]

​@@BenetteGGacha game? What are you even talking about?

[@BenetteG]

@@leyendaarg Most gacha games are notorious for their gambling-like micro transactions. And multiversus has some of those mechanics like: >multiple currencies that the player must earn, plus a premium currency that can be bought with real money. >the player progression is intentionally made very grindy to force players to play more or pay up with real money to progress. >cash shop where you buy the premium currency or convert one currency to another. >characters being locked then giving players an option to play those locked characters in a time-limited matter to entice players. There might be some other I missed, but WB being as they are, had the gacha model in mind after seeing the success of games like Genshin Impact are with this model.

[@leyendaarg]

@@BenetteG You're really making a biiiiiiig stretch you know how many games have a premium currency and are not anywhere near a gacha game? The "grindy" part it's always an exaggeration it literally took me 3 days of playing to get Raven and then other 3 to get Marceline. A less active player would take a week and a even less active player might take 2 weeks The multiple cureencies while not great are not something you "must" earn, you get the perk one as you play to buy perks for your characters, gleamium to buy cosmetics or characters and prestige that you get when you buy things to, but other things And I don't see why everyone is so mad at buying the character and bening able to play 3 days before. It's not a big deal This is not nearly close to be a gacha game, in those you buy a random chance to get a character or item on banners per try

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

So it isn't really a lot faster, gotchu.

[@d-manthemagnificent3020]

I’ve been playing multiversus since the relaunch and I gotta say, it’s so god damn depressing. -5 months of waiting for the same terrible stability that crashes all the time -The same god awful shitty maps (it’s even worse if you go unranked) -Characters still having the same bugs since launch -Shitty hitboxes that punishes you for trying to punish someone -And last and most in my opinion is the lack of any new perks, that added so much variety and it’s just gutted.)

[@Minious1020]

More like removed perks. There were so many things that were missing at the relaunch.

[@ccelite3782]

Real. Seems like the beta is always better than the actual game. Happened WAY too much over the past 5 years of gaming.

[@FGenthusiast0052]

I played both the beta and the relaunch. I enjoyed both, and I'll be honest, I barely gave them the 2nd chance for that fake stunt of "we never went full release" before was taken out. And after I think a week or two of grinding for Jack, I just gave up. Which sucks because the gameplay can be fun, and the work animators have gone through with it is honestly impressive... But God, this grindy system and how annoying it is to unlock characters is PAINFUL. You don't make a game to be a second job. If you want to make people invest time is understandable, but the amount needed for every single thing is so annoying. Events, battle pass, characters... Two weeks in S2 had enough, and havent touched the game since

[@TheDXJC56]

I'm sorry bro did you forget them slowing the game down by at least 30% across the board? That's been the biggest L imo game use to be fun and fast paced in beta, now it feels like every character is in mud

[@Conbonzx]

I'm still mad i'm missing 73 cosmetics from the beta and then see them put them in a store or a battle pass is kinda annoying.

[@KodexKat]

Once I saw they ruined my Velma and added 5 different currencies with like 3 paid currencies I checked out. They had gold with the beta but failed completely

[@majrgaming2633]

that 100 million dollar loss included the cost of Warner Bros buying PFG, which I assume had to be worth at least 30-40 million dollars

[@dylanroiz5469]

Don’t forget the McDonald and nhl adds they had for this game

[@majrgaming2633]

@ and while PFG wasn’t owned by Warner the licensing cost way more, hence why they ended up being bought by Warner, and any debt that PFG had beforehand is now being taken on by Warner

[@dylanroiz5469]

@@majrgaming2633 if WB knew that this game was gonna underperform than they shouldn’t have bought pfg but am honestly curious to what WB is gonna do with PFG, are they gonna shut down? Layoff employees? Tell them to developed something that’s original? Develop something that belongs to them? Or keep working on MVS?

[@majrgaming2633]

@@dylanroiz5469 I mean what game other than like Fortnite is gonna bring in enough money to pay off 10’s of millions of dollars in under 6 months on skins alone? They probably just planned on taking the loss and keeping on going, i highly doubt MVS costs that much to keep running comparatively to other games, i mean look at MK1, that game is underperforming yet is still getting licensed characters like Ghostface that probably cost a lot of money

[@dylanroiz5469]

@@majrgaming2633 most likely it didn’t underperform badly as they thought, now hear this a credible MK leaker by the name fate confirmed mortal kombat 1 support will be ending after kombat pack 2 is complete. The reason why is because the khaos realm expansion pack underperformed WB expectations. Now most likely this game will suffer the same fate if any the seasons they release underperformed but who knows if this game is really cheap enough to receive WBs continue support for that to happen

[@ExoticZah]

Well deserved, they don’t respect their players. We on Marvel Rivals.

[@jadedragon216]

I give Multiversus another 6 months, maybe a year before it shuts down. Definitely don't see it going beyond 2025. I said before that if they add Mortal Kombat characters, I'll give it another install but given how difficult new characters are now to unlock w/o paying, that won't be enough for me anymore.

[@MarcusGronkowski]

Of COURSE “Pay-Us First Games” would make it ludicrously hard to get anything without forking over cash. Gotta be top 10 greediest companies. WB too.

[@Everdistance]

When you're rapidly scrolling thhrough the characters in the fighter road at 13:47 you can see them t-posing for a second before they load in. That's the multiversus polish.

[@mrps2dvd2770]

Marcy and raven should've been in the relaunch roster day 1. (Especially marcy, like how the hell did a random banana guard get in before her??)

[@mrps2dvd2770]

Also them adding a 2nd bp what the hell?!

[@mrps2dvd2770]

No wonder why ign recently reported that the game lost a 100 million dollars recently

[@frank8917]

At least we had Joker and Jason..... and after that Agent Smith

[@mrps2dvd2770]

@frank8917 Jason was honestly the only good character added because he didn't really have a monkey's paw moment happen when he was announced. (Jack, raven, and marcy got added after everyone realized that the relaunch was shit. And jack and raven were exclusive to the bp for a few months as another monkey's paw moment.)

[@mrps2dvd2770]

Also agent smith had a monkey's paw moment too, because he was exclusive to a mini bp event for a while that was very grindy and no one could complete. (Yeah he was added normally for everyone later but still)

[@lanceams483]

It feels like the game WANTS you to hate it. Fighter XP on the surface is a good idea and sounds like a grind that *should* be faster than Fighter Currency, but in reality it takes longer to get, forces you to theorize ways to maximize XP gained (which modes give more, skins, etc.) and (worst of all) makes stockpiling for the next fighter impossible. When new fighters come out, I ACTIVELY AVOID playing the game for 3 days, hopping on to see the new event, look over the Battle Pass/Shop, and then try the new character in the Lab, the only place I can try them out. If I play even a few matches, there's a chance I lose out on anywhere between 100-1,000 Fighter XP, not including certain missions or Battle Pass tiers. That sucks. Elusive Skins have died down as a controversial topic, but I still don't get why they need to be there. They want event/timed exclusive skins/cosmetics, which honestly isn't terrible if done right. Before Agent Smith's code variant was exclusive to the rift missions from season 1, a good looking variant that isn't massively different like some Epic or Legendary skins but valuable to the right people. Now we have basically normal skins that would be Epic or Legendary getting the Elusive tag, with the added price comparison from event shops. They give you *just * enough tickets/tokens/whatever currency to get 1 Elusive skin if you dump all 6 into it, and have the option to buy X amount that just so happens to match up with how many Elusive skins are there. It's like they take 1 step forward, then tumble back 3 steps. Events now give you the option to choose what skins you want instead of the fixed variant AND are generally of higher quality. But the event requires major grinding and now has extremely expensive rewards that force you to grind harder. New stages and characters are transferred to Multiversus with their artstyle amazingly and make the hodge-podge of characters and genres mesh together. But those characters take forever to unlock, have caused huge bugs to crop up, and for some reason still have wonky hitboxes. This fanbase too is on another level. I get it's twitter, a place for scourge to prosper, but it feels like the playerbase is more upset with other players than they are with the game. The sentiment that you should spend money on the game if you play it a lot and if you don't it's YOUR fault the game that shoots itself in the foot at the start of every season dies is incredibly frustrating. Yes, there are people who just want the game to fail, but shaming the people who do want it to succeed and play the game actively just not while spending much/any money is not going to make people join the community of again a FREE-TO-PLAY game. Look, I love this game, the beta got me but ultimately lost my interest a few months in, and the new launch kept me longer with the consistent new characters that I personally like and creative movesets for some of my favorite classic characters. But this was THE season to get heads turning and make a difference, and although Marceline and Raven turned plenty of new heads to the game, the new changes brought up so many more concerns and problems that pushed away a lot of people giving it a chance.

[@ShadyGhost123]

This game deserves its failure, I do not want it to succeed

[@santetzuken8903]

Amen

[@doubleoart07]

Still bummed that it lowkey sucks… I love the concept but the execution is horrible

[@monkey-with-the-drip5296]

Skill issue

[@fannma454]

why tho

[@HauntedPropane]

Took the words right out of my mouth my brother. I didnt even know about that vote to not use shields at the tournament but that is sooo freaking hilarious xp

[@prestonpowell9222]

I agree so much about the desperate greed in the UI, like they're really not dodging the Payer First Games insult at all. Fighter Road is just Fighter Currency with bigger numbers and less choice.

[@DrippyNuggs]

The Beta got me because of Tom and Jerry, I main Tom and Jerry, or I did. Now Marceline is out, I now main Marceline , she is my highest level character.

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Mine was garnet… and it’s garnet Jason and shaggy

[@DrippyNuggs]

@@dimitriwarchief301I’m feeling Marceline, Samurai Jack, and Tom and Jerry

[@BoeBinsky]

Your narration and video quality is top class. The multiversus community is blessed to have you ❤🎉

[@admiralalyssa]

I also spent 100 USD on the Founder's Pass. I gave them money because of how FAIR the monetization was during the beta. WB doesn't seem to comprehend that treating your customers like crap means they won't come back. I reinstalled MVS for Raven, and when I went to unlock Raven, I assumed they had deleted my tickets, so I uninstalled it. I can't believe they moved the ticket purchase to a separate menu. I literally reinstalled the game, I was ready to give it another chance and their UI made me uninstall. WB just hates money, apparently; they got my initial $100, but not a cent more since then.

[@redtheyiffer]

The fighter road was copied from a mobile game called brawl stars, except that they didn't copy some of the better features the original concept had. In brawl stars, the same linear road with choices is available, but the later parts have question marks between the choices, those question marks are filled by the characters you rejected previously, adding a more dynamic selection rather than a single preset one. Also, I'm not sure, but I think the selection of characters and their positioning is selected randomly at first. But most importly, in brawl stars, once a new character comes out, you get the choice and incentive to abandon the current grind and transfer all of it to the newest character. The point is that a lot of the grind in brawl stars is rather dynamic and forgiving, even if it's still a grind, but in multiversus, the grind is static and preset, designed to keep the nicer stuff away from your reach.

[@NinjaXFiles]

It sucks so much balls. How they changed the way we could unlock characters

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Or... they could've just stuck with the old system and give 50-60 fighter currency per game played and avoid creating this abomination of convolution.

[@Worst_n00b]

Absurd that it hasn't even been a year. I reinstalled this Fall after forgetting about the beta being offline. I stared at menus for like 20 minutes confused as to why I had to unlock Batman and Finn again, and just went to bed without answers. I appreciate your updates and analysis and the many different angles you consider, even if you yourself don't claim a high level of play pvp wise.

[@BingBangPoe]

What sucks is that MultiVersus always had a lot of potential. The animation team perfectly captures the essence of each character. There are plenty of throwbacks to the source material. They get the original VAs to reprise their roles. But the game is ultimately held back by the terribly predatory progression system, inexperienced and small team and minuscule budget, which results in a lot of bugs and server issues. Frankly, if they went the Marvel Rivals route and made every character free by default, and only focusing microtransactions for skins, I think MultiVersus would get a lot more traction and playerbase back. Or _at the very least_ let players choose who they unlock in the Fighter Road. I frankly don't think the game will die so soon. All in all it is a good marketing tool for Warner Bros. to flex all the IPs they own, and it can be used to make cross-promotion with films and other media. Beetlejuice launching alongside the second film was a good strategy, for instance.

[@Saltyaf38]

I think we all saw the writing on the wall when the "beta" failed so hard that they had to re-release the game and disguise it the official release.

[@jeremiahtaylor5734]

You’re such an underrated creator I just know your content is gonna blow up one of these days like it deserves to great video as always

[@The_Glazer]

3:58 its so while your scrolling to unlock a character your more likely to buy something from the other stores. They are hoping a skin or something catches your eye on the way down

[@MadJuice]

Oh what could have been...

[@raptorrodger]

First time watching your videos, I love how you have a presentation style when you are explaining.

[@tcsghost6984]

You should play Rivals of Aether 2, all characters are free, "battle pass" events are free, the devs are really experienced with platform fighter game design, you can do old events whenever you like, and while the roster is on the smaller side right now due to being an indie that just launched, and the characters are just flat out fun and besides a couple of them that wear their smash bros influence on their sleeve the rest of the cast have insanely creative and unique movesets. I always prefer supporting indies over big companies and Rivals is a project that deserves that support.

[@cardinmalone4974]

The game is not free. You still have to pay for the initial price.

[@tcsghost6984]

@@cardinmalone4974 I didn't say the game was free.

[@silly_dev1025]

Rivals 2 is a good one

[@dejvus113]

i wanted to reinstall when i saw Marceline is in the game (or will be im not sure) but i saw that nothing changed since :c

[@JcgLounge]

This game is the epitome of everything I hate about Live Service Games. On top of that, it’s in a genre that I love(Platform Fighters), & using characters that I grew up with(Dc and Tom & Jerry mostly). You thought you could just reel me in with Superman and Batman fighting other WB characters and think I’d ignore all this other slimy greedy crap? No thanks. Edit: 12:31 Also this tweet is the exact reason why companies continue to do terrible practices with these types of games. Cause idiots like this person make excuses and blame us, the players, for saying no and keeping our wallets closed.

[@Yellow_Plus_Red]

It's crazy how the most hated smash game is notoriously for being slow and floaty.... so they decided to make a platformer fighter thats slow and floaty instead of heavy+fast like the timeless prequel. How the hell did not a single person in this whole massive corporate production go: "Hey, how about we make this like the games people actually like?"

[@joggers_h]

I think, unironically, that the best thing that could possibly happen to this game would be to get shut down, have an offline version still active, recieve a well made fan revival done by a group of talented fans (akin to MvC:I&B or FusionFall Legacy/Retro) which could stay active for 2 years max before inevitably getting a cease & desist from WB Discovery. I don't have enough faith left in me that PFG can salvage this beautiful mess anymore.

[@SodaPopBot]

Yeah is definitely pay full price for a more standard version of the game, with paid dlc characters

[@niezyje8922]

they genuinely dont know how to fix the game, every time i play i run into a issue , glitch, or just awful gameplay lag. the hit/hurt boxes are inconsistent, the ringout barrier is broken and the characters are very unbalanced. sad but its reality

[@mig4868]

The goth girls couldn't save em, that's crazy.

[@oscarotoole]

(Bit of a Yapper comment incoming.) As someone who stopped playing MultiVersus entirely this season, I’ve gotta admit too. The game is in a horrible state. Gameplay’s good, but everything else….god it’s so bad. And it’s practically everyone’s fault ATP: PFG: They’re a talented group of people that’re trying to innovate the platform fighter scene, but they’re fumbling the bag so hard. The horrid relaunch with the transition to UE5, the game’s nonexistent marketing, and especially them having no idea what they want the game to be. They can’t decide what they want the game to be ATP, so they’re just doing things other popular games have done and are just HOPING people play the game again. WB: Zaslav’s general greediness by shoving in the absurd monetisation for it. It’s more infuriating for me because I feel everyone is just saying it’s PFG’s fault for being “greedy”, WHEN ZASLAV IS RIGHT THERE! We HAVE another excuse to hate the guy, but everyone’s instead going for the easier victim (PFG) Ajax and NAKAT: The two don’t even play the game. They’re “ambassadors”, yet they do jack all in promoting it on stuff like Twitch or whatnot. Generally, I think MultiVersus had the chance to be great. It’s an opinion everyone has: the game could’ve been something much better. But Zaslav’s greediness and PFG’s general cluelessness on what the game should be have pretty much doomed it entirely. I give MultiVersus at least another few months or so so it can last a year, then WB chooses to end it. And in all honesty? I really wouldn’t blame the internet for rejoicing in celebration for the game’s end

[@_Tygon_]

I was waiting on this upload bro spits facts

[@darklord3498]

I feel like to fix the fighter road, it would be awesome to take inspiration from brawl stars and its “star road”. Every time a new fighter is released, you can switch the progress of whatever fighter you currently are unlocking and move it towards the new character.

[@blank8479]

Im not gon lie, all i heard was a literal BestBuy salesperson yap for 20 minutes

[@GGojira1954]

Thank you for expressing the community thoughts. I personally think we need a new team working in multiversus PFG and their leader has proven to fail 2 times already, I really feel to fix this game problems we need to take care of the main problems

[@elkarlo1593]

That IGN tweet is a half lie, because they completely omitted that WB plans to keep the game going despite the revenue problem because it has a lot of ips attached to it Now if only they eased up on the penny pinching instead of doubling down each season

[@TheQuietTimes]

17:27 We live in a weird time where if you like something, you're expected to champion everything it does. You're supposed to overlook its shortcomings, always give the devs the benefit of a doubt and say _"I'm sure they'll fix this, so I'm not holding it against the game", or you deflect by pointing to a game that did it worse... and you're not supposed to hold something you enjoy to the highest standard, because being a fan means you just take it as it is and enjoy it... because the way KZbin has conditioned people, you're only supposed to be critical of things you don't like, or things that are objectively bad. BUT THAT'S JUST STUPID. I'll NEVER understand our obsession with schadenfreude... Content creators waste SO MUCH TIME talking about games that nobody liked/everyone knew was terrible, that we forgot the entire purpose of being critical. You're not supposed to even engage with something "bad", or that you already knew you weren't going to like. So, there's really no point in being critical of things objectively bad, beyond for the sake of schadenfreude. _Criticism is meant to be reserved for things you actually enjoy, but would like to see improved._ You're not pointing out shortcomings for the sake of a laugh, or because you're a "hater"... You're pointing them out because you care and you'd like to see those things addressed. But if "being a fan" means stanning for every change made and turning a blind eye every time a dev/publisher falls short of expectations, HOW CAN THINGS EVER GET BETTER? If the people who engage with a product THE MOST aren't the loudest and most critical, then how can the devs REALLY know what's working and what isn't?

[@umamifan]

Unfortunately I think this is just a byproduct of the swift destruction of content as people deconstruct it down to the very barebones of what engages the average curated viewerbase's minds the most. It encourages this kind of feedback since people engage with negative content more.

[@ThatGuyNick_YT]

Honestly the only good thing I can say about the current season is that they actually added characters people really wanted. Everything else almost feels like a downgrade imo. I don’t see this game going over another year honestly

[@ZZordan]

9:56 I've been saying this for a few months but every fighting game should do this. The more season passes a fighting game builds up while I'm away, the less I want to come back to it.

[@water5287]

Idk about the charachter tickets but the fighter currency i have left shows up as a way to purchase in the fighters tab

[@FungiGamer]

Course correction should have happened during open launch. Each season since then has been nothing more than a “carrot on a stick” situation, and there’s only so much patience one can take from a company who constantly back tracks and lies about their road map and intentions

[@MIRLZY]

I played the entire beta. The game came back and it was a slow shell of itself. I still played. But they made it so hard to get the rewards that I gave up after that season I didn't even want agent Smith I just wanted the matrix Superman skin completely over it

[@-8h-]

I hate this game, i cant believe i defended it in the beta (which was yet another lie by the devs). I stopped playing after the second update dropped and there STILL wasnt a way to alter my controls. A way which they already had in the game during the beta, but for some reason it (along with many other things) was removed on launch.

[@silly_dev1025]

I left for this exact reason😭

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

8:04 I didn't know how it worked exactly because I've everyone but Marcie by now. So... they make you choose something you deliberately DIDN'T CHOOSE BEFORE?! Ok, this is more asinine than I thought it was.

[@silly_dev1025]

I had a stroke reading this

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@silly_dev1025 Glad to be of service. Good luck improving your reading comprehension!

[@MateusDrake]

Fighter Road would be great if only it was a way to unlock characters IN ADDITION to Figuter Currency. You'd play and save fighter currency to actively unlock a character of your choosing... And Fighter road would passively help you unlock characters. That would help unlock characters faster, not slower.

[@MF_MAJIN]

I want this game to succeed but the fundamentals of the game are confusing and the hit boxes/netcode are terrible. This is my first platform fighter I’ve played other fighting games before and know a little bit of what’s punishable and what’s not. But in multi the prioritization system didn’t make sense to me as new player months ago and still doesn’t. I have opponents getting dropped out of my attacks randomly and it feels like characters who are “low tier” aren’t necessarily low tier because of their attacks but because other characters have better prioritization then them or have little to no end lag. Am I wrong here or am I onto something that isn’t spoken about that compared to other fighting games don’t have these issues like that.

[@blackg3gaming]

Naw I think you’re right. This is the only fighting game I’ve played where it feels artificially unfair. The amount of bad hit boxes and move drop outs is crazy. It’s almost like every match I play, I’m questioning how I got hit or how my move didn’t hit the other person 🥲…

[@MF_MAJIN]

@@blackg3gaming you and me both. It confuses me how some characters are able to get away with attacks that in any other fighting game they wouldn’t be able to. I feel bad for people who main the “low tier characters” cause if they were to play a low tier smash character really well they would be rewarded more for their skill instead of rng. I main Batman and I know he was broken before and I knew that but in the position he’s in now he’s not fun to play only because of how prioritization works. All my attacks get out prioritized even if I throw an attack a frame earlier. There’s only a few Batman players in grandmaster and masters but I know they’re not playing the way any character should be played in a fighting game. That’s by playing passive and abusing hitboxes. I’ve gave up playing Batman cause I’m not gonna change my play style because the game doesn’t want me to play the way I want to play. The only thing that should stop me from playing how I want to play is another player reading me or who’s just better than me.

[@GabrielBorica]

I tried, i swear i really tried. I played the Beta for quite a while, the drought in content made me lost interest so i put the game on the shelf for sometime until it got release, this was one of the worst releases i ever seen. 100k players came back to see a sluggish mess of a game, with 4 different types of currency to keep track of (not including all the variation of gem types for sanity sake), for every good decision pfg makes they do 3 bad ones (including one or two that undo previously good decisions), the frame data is pathetic, the hit/hurt boxes are an absolute mess, the introduction of shields is half baked at best and desperate at worst, so yeah, not even my goat Finn, the chadest of chads Samurai Jack and my girl Garnet could hold my interest in this game, live service games by nature consume your time if you want to get the most out of events and seasons, and i came into the conclusion that this game wasn't worth of my time anymore (again). Rip bozos, you had the butter and the knife, you threw the butter in the thrash and stick the knife up my ass.

[@midknyghtfilms863]

this season made me drop the game fully, as i was saving up to buy samurai jack with the fighter coins for the currency to be removed and i have to unlock 10 characters to get him.

[@ItsJustDannySoto]

The green fighter currency still exists. I forget which one but it's under one of the tabs at the top of the main lobby. It's all just weirdly organized which is one of my complaints, the UI is low key ass cheeks.

[@xCheatah]

You could get 3k Fc still with the event that ends in a few hours.

[@xae1613]

19:46 holy shit that’s me!

[@MesmerAloofly]

i dont even play the game butm this video makes me feel 100% educated & briefed on the topic 10/10

[@DrippyNuggs]

I like the split battle pass. It might not give you more cosmetics or anything, but it ensures that players who don’t play much can still be able to finish a “whole” pass without having to do 100 tiers in a set amount of time.

[@machpower3074]

marcy down especial is broken, but dont have combos or anything, rave overall is broken. the key problem is the focus on the story in a pvp game, banana guard, renidog... and the way to unlock them is terrible, in brawl stars, another paytowin game, it makes sense because of the blocking of competitive characters. But here you can't even change the character between games

[@juliodealmada9353]

marcy has 1000s of combos, what is you talking about, and raven is not overall broken

[@machpower3074]

@@juliodealmada9353 bro installed the wrong multiversus

[@valenetta8017]

This is a really well done video, and a lot of points being recapped for a person like myself who doesn't play this game because of the egregious monetization and character acquisition is really appreciated! The points themselves are great too, keep it up RVR!

[@MxPokirby]

The red flags were flying since day one. But people still swarmed it in droves because of Brand Recognition, and now that more of its userbase are realizing the unspoken promises that "it will get better" were all lies, it's become yet another case of the only reason people keep coming back is because of the Sunk Cost Fallacy / Boiling Frog experiment / Slow Break-Up etc. You see it way too often. They can't just step away and see it for the dumpster fire it is, because they've had so long to get used to it. Any new fuck-up isn't "look at this mountain of trash", it's "oh just one more thing for the pile". The scale is out of perspective.

[@The_Glazer]

An effort to save the game could be droping 2 characters at a time for awhile. They have a crap ton of characters and franchises to use. The main appeal of the game is to play as your favorite characters and some haven't had their franchises touched yet. The franchises dont necessarily over lap so someone waiting for ben 10 isnt necessarily a fan of nubia or PPG so the wait is playing a part in killing enjoyment

[@Ninetails2000]

This is a great concept that was being developed as best as it could but WB is just so fucking greedy and hungry for a Live Service that its just impenetrable.

[@Wavedashnoir]

The devs didn't do the best they could at all

[@mgbrad5018]

I have been the biggest supporter of this game since the launch of beta but yeah the monetization has been so bad that I have stopped playing entirely. Marceline was again locked behind a paywall for the first 3 days despite having the currency to unlock her AND she had a skin I wanted that was locked behind a $30 bundle...Is when I put the controller down and walked away.

[@canaldepablo7113]

Thats a cool "weird al" cosplay

[@Curlyheart]

You mean Cheese Sandwich

[@AntonioRedgrave]

14:04 Isn't the point of a *beta* to experiment around with mechanics like this to see how it works?

[@Right_Bumper]

They added shields cuz people on social media hounded to them about it

[@FreeAimDog]

3:13, yep that happen to me, i thought it was her in the battle pass but not the skin.

[@tritonhill9684]

8:51 You hit the nail on the head when you said it literally disincentivizes you from playing the game more. I have some fighters at 99% progress on levels 4, 9, and 13 because those are some of the biggest gains of fighter road xp you can get. The 40% conversion rate to battlepass xp is a waste of these one-time fighter road xp payoffs from leveling up fighters. This is current banking in multiversus, and it feels horrible. My best guess is this is another cheap tactic to get people to buy fighters instead of doing this awful form of xp banking or, even worse, just do the arduous grind for the fighters.

[@platypusplayer_0630]

Ever since the announcement of MVS I've been really hoping for Ben 10 to be added, but it's just now occurring to me that even if they add him, there's no way I'm gonna be able to play as him without buying stuff :(

[@electricburst0986]

Genuine question. Why was the beta 100% better in every way ? I could play it for hours but the final game got boring so fast

[@strippinheat]

Making them available "for free" is a tactic that allows them to skirt around being "pay to win," but then they just make the grind so unrealistically laborious that you're pushed towards spending real money. It's a story as old as video game DLC. They keep pushing forward with in until every game follows suit so you don't have another option as all the older games are taken offline. Abandon video games and just start reading books.

[@KUZ3NBO]

If the grind wasn't unbearable, I would play this game

[@thelizardfolk]

8:51 this is me. This is exactly why I stopped playing the game.

[@Seb_Villac]

I started an alt to see what the fighter road grind is like for a new player, and im currently at 15/33 (and growing) at about 50 -ish hours. The grind is way too long for new players. The best method for grinding it out is playing arena(which is a really long gamemode). Despite that, the game really wants new players to spend at least 10 bucks and buy who they want and let the fighter road complete itself in the background

[@klmaoz8612]

I love the game and I wish it the best but at this rate it's going to shutdown again

[@Captain_Ginny]

I forgot this game existed

[@cosmicbrownie2312]

As I have said before, they should of just made every character free to play since the beginning or at least do a league-type system where it is INSANELY easy to unlock any character you want. The results of OW2s scummy monetization has been devastating on free to play games and it is good that Marvel Rivals dropping on the scene and absolutely tearing up the competition was enough to make game devs get a clue that maybe we as consumers of a game shouldn't have our time/money being taken advantage of.

[@lukacostanza5793]

Why do most new youtubers sound so fake? No way you actually talk like this

[@Triforce9426]

A Smashlike featuring a giant roster of WB characters should have been a huge hit. Too bad the horrid gameplay and disgusting overabundance of monetization made Multiversus a huge flop.

[@lrgpanda9037]

they are maken the best characters hitboxes that are super tiny and there moves have priority over all thats ware i say this game is bs and uninstalled.sime characters struggle hard and some just win cus the devs made there easy attack string priority over all move powerful.

[@eduardoalvarez9289]

I uninstalled the game so fast the moment I saw it didn’t let me play all of the characters offline and I have to buy them all

[@dezmas9332]

the mobile game type progression system moment

[@DonutJulio]

as someone who no lifed this game for a month back in july and have been able to get a vast majority of the characters free (besides the battle pass characters I paid for those), another problem with the fighter road is that if you're like me and have everyone, you waste all the fighter xp drops until a character is released, it gets converted into 1/4 battle pass xp, when the fighter xp drops are already comically low. Also when a character launches in early access you still can't begin the road for them, so you might as well wait 3 days to actually play the game so you can get the most bang for your buck on time spent.

[@Lordxzamasu]

The devs deserve to watch they’re atrocious game burn that’s what happens when you keep making stupid mistakes and listen to the wrong parts of the community

[@Montesama314]

I earned the fighter currency that was part of the christmas event. But the game was obviously trying to make me pay with the premium currency by making it harder to find the Fighter Store where you can pay with fighter currency. I didn't even buy the battle pass with Marceline's costume in it (which admittedly is one of my favorite looks for her in the show), because why buy a pass with costumes for characters I can't unlock when I want to? I want Marceline TODAY, but I'm not paying 10 bucks or almost all of my gleamium for her.

[@Galavantman]

The long grind for characters is the issue. In beta each match I got told and it was steady, now it's just fluctuates.

[@YBNKASHWAYS]

12:32 😂 iykyk. That tweet and user is the biggest mvs defender. Historically bad tweet.

[@dmwanderer9454]

the game is just so SLOOOW like oh my god, this is the first game ive ever played that actually puts me to sleep AS im playing it.

[@12abar81]

Me and my friends have played private matches on here since the beta. This game literally feels slower every update, idk to this day why the beta was so much better. The movement, the rewards, the frames on hits, every single aspect was better in the freaking beta.

[@BoldMold]

Just passing by to say I loved your shirt and your vibe.

[@quadrilaturalSamurai]

From an outsider looking in, having stumbled on this video, it just sounds like dark patterns, the video game. So. Many. Anti-consumer. Practices. Jeeez.

[@JEZ346]

I'm pretty sure that Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League had more to do with the WB losses than Multiversus

[@Thiquid]

As a HUGE fan and someone who loves the game and has had wonderful conversations and experiences with pfg, I agree with basically this whole video. I don't know who makes a lot of these decisions, but the WHY is obvious to me. Out of touch investors and executives thinking they know what's best in a market and time that they clearly know nothing about. Even with all it's flaws I love the game and will support it until the day it's gone, but it's unbelievable what should be an easy slam dunk isn't already where it should be, and is being held hostage by poor management, terrible monetization, and an unsightly and divided community. Really hope for the best, and I hope that not only the right people see this video, but that they actually take the message you've made to heart, that this game IS special, people WANT it to succeed, but they need to make changes that benefit new players, engage dedicated players, and make people excited for what could come next, rather than making each patch a guessing game as to whether things get better, worse, or radically different in a way people are divided on. Excellent video, got your point across well, and I hope the next time you talk about the game that something positive is able to be the topic of discussion. Cheers

[@Rocketcow-dx1jd]

It's WB's fault alone why this game failed financially and commercially and theirs alone. Offline mode was tied to DLC characters almost completely. DLC characters were not playable offline. Babs bunny, Buster bunny, Shirley the loon, Elmyra, Yakko, Wacko, and Dot, Slappy squirrel, Elmer Fudd, Screwy squirrel, Spike the bulldog, Roger Rabbit, Johnny Bravo, Aku, The bare bears, Capt K, Knuckles, Frylock, The warden, Harvey birdman, Brock Samson, The Monarch and Dr Girlfriend, Darkseid, Mr Freeze, ToyMan, Martian manhunter, Red guy, Magilla gorilla, Quick draw McGraw, and Sauron, Were and are not present in the roster. With Samurai jack, Marceline, & Mordecai and Rigby, being like pulling teeth to get in the game at all. and just outright no developer communication and outright hubris from the developers who couldn't take constructive criticism and fix the game.

[@SacrificeMegs]

I dropped this game because it felt like a grind to get new Heroes and then it was like a slap in the face when you try to complete the missions and you need a special t-shirt to get one star

[@joshf5733]

So many valid points are well illustrated in this video. I love this game, but damn if it aint been strugglin for too long now. Thanks for making this, hopefully the devs take it to heart and put out a hail Mary patch or something.