The CRAZIEST BROADCASTING FEUD of the 1982 NFL Season | Rams @ Raiders (1982)

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

In a weird coincidence, NFL Throwback is going to upload highlights from this game on their channel later today. Not sure what time, but if you want to watch the game from a highlights-oriented perspective with the original commentary from Pat Summerall and John Madden, that'll be available on NFL Throwback today! Know there's a lot of people who like my channel and NFL Throwback's, so you'll get to double dip in the same game

[@anthony0358]

I love this video! I remember watching my favorite team , the Jets lose to Miami in heartbreaking fashion earlier in that day. I then saw this game. 1982 was just a bizarre season from start to finish

[@toddbiesel4288]

Caving in to the NFL does not sound like an Al Davis move. You can bet that he immediately fired whoever was responsible for this action.

[@mattcolver1]

The Raiders in LA never sold out. I remember I went to my 1st NFL game so I could see the 1983 AFC championship game between the Raiders and Seahawks. That was back when the Seahawks were in the AFC. The neighborhood around the Coliseum was pretty sketchy. I remember paying a guy to park my car on his front lawn during the game. I didn't know if my car would still be there afterwards.

[@henrymanzano2201]

This is news to me. All these years, I thought Angelenos constantly fawned all over the Raiders; that only the Lakers were more popular

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

@@henrymanzano2201 Yes the Raider have a following in LA but their numbers were still never enough to fill up the coliseum. This last game at SoFi vs the Rams didn’t also sell out despite many Raider fans in attendance

[@jeffharper9854]

Was it still there?

[@billtooke6642]

The fact that Rams road games must be shown in the market is the great equalizer

[@raidger4]

One of many local blackouts when the Raiders were in Los Angeles. I think the first time I could remember seeing a home game on TV was 1993 when Marcus Allen returned with the Chiefs. Week 18 that year they were granted an extension and the local NBC affiliate bought up the remaining tickets to televise and the following Wild Card game NBC did it again so it could be shown locally. I actually wasn’t sad when they moved back to Oakland in 1995 because they were shown every week and there was 3 games every Sunday afternoon.

[@vdubproductions2646]

When they moved back up to the Bay Area I remember having the same problem with Blackouts. They really didn't start regularly selling out until 2011 season and from that point on, until the end of the 2014 season, which was the last time there were blackouts, only one game did not sell out.

[@tommyparkerparker]

I was at this game with my mom ,dad, brother and sisters. The people that sat next to us had a portable TV. So they did air the game in LA.

[@gswdeclan]

That blackout rule blew. As if people would decide to spend hundreds of bucks and drive for hours because they couldn't watch it on tv

[@alice_evermore]

I remember this game very well. Went crazy when Marcus Allen dove into the end zone for the winning score!

[@arizonawrestlinginterviews1040]

I bet Rams fans were happy to see Ray Malavasi get the pink slip at the end of the 1982 season. And by the way, I'll be an unofficial JG9 historian and point out that you made a Dumb Decisions video about Mr. Malavasi.

[@CTubeMan]

Welcome to the faculty lounge! Put on your tweed jacket and pour yourself a Cognac!

[@arizonawrestlinginterviews1040]

@@CTubeMan why thank you kindly! 🍷 🥂

[@crl4392]

This is a great channel. Love this stuff

[@vdubproductions2646]

I would've thought that the Rams being the road team and back then all road games were required would've just been good enough not to have the blackout despite being in the same market.

[@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666]

I was at that game.RN4L! My buddy was a LB on the "Scams". The L.A. Coliseum had seating for about 103,000, hard to fill on a good day.

[@johnwiesner9590]

I remember earlier this year you doing a video about Summerall and Madden announcing a division 3 college football game that season.

[@tommyparkerparker]

Almost 40 years ago to the day. Time flies. I was a senior in high school going on Christmas break. I was at that game.

[@creates100]

Anaheim is 30 miles south east of downtown LA. orange County where Anaheim is located is very different from LA. So the Rams were not in the same city

[@ciesaro]

If I remember I watched the game at a pizza place is suburban Southern California

[@ECG3485]

CBS' still owned-and-operated station in the Los Angeles market is KCBS-TV channel 2, whose call letters were KNXT at the time of this game

[@spencerkarterlive7378]

KNXT became KCBS in April 1984

[@altfactor]

During the 1973-2015 blackout era, an NFL team could lift the blackout at their discretion even if the game didn't sell out. I seem to recall that in the early 1980's, two New England Patriots home games were televised even though they didn't sell out. I think one was the "snowplow game" against Miami, with the blackout lifted due to a snowstorm. I believe the other was a Monday night game against Dallas, which I believe didn't sell out but was locally televised since town leaders in Foxboro would only allow the game to be played if there were no local TV blackout.

[@crowtservo]

The worst part for CBS was that they didn’t even get to televise the game in one team’s home market. (Although the Raiders may have been more popular in Oakland still). It’d be different if it was the Giants or Bears at the Raiders. At least then you’d get a lot of fans in NYC or Chicago watching the game.

[@CTubeMan]

I saw a copy of the full 1982 NFL schedule that assumed a 16-week season. All Raiders references said Oakland.

[@luisreyes1963]

Yep, greed. What else explains the NFL giving ESPN Monday Night Football & Thursday Night Football to Amazon Prime Video. 💰

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another lifted blackout that week, the game between the Oilers and Eagles in Philadelphia, and how the NBC affiliate in Lancaster, PA dealt with it.

[@davidwebb3407]

That’s interesting that the rule that all road games must be broadcast in the home market doesn’t override the blackout rule.

[@leogetz3570]

That was my first thought. Since the Rams were the "visitors", and CBS was broadcasting instead of NBC, you would think that would be a loophole to exploit. But I'm guessing the NFL had something in place because of the Jets/Giants in case of a non sellout when one visited the other

[@lmswentzeljr]

It was odd I remember a bunch of times when the Raiders from 82-94 were in LA with the Rams, that when they were both at home CBS would televise both games. Was that because one or both games wouldn't sell out?

[@Bruce12867]

Yeah, 1982 was a bizarre season to say the least. According to Wikipedia (so it must be true), the two Thanksgiving game were televised locally despite them not being sellouts. But this isn't the first blackout drama involving the Raiders. In the 1970 season finale, the Raiders hosted the 49ers. Despite the game being a sellout (I think), Al Davis refused to lift the blackout denying angered 49ers fans from watching a road game involving their team. This happened despite the fact the Jets agreed to lift the blackout when the Giants visited Shea Stadium earlier that season.

[@mfm4205]

probably because both teams were in the playoff hunt, and was a "screw you" to the league, since al was the president of the afl when several of the owners went behind his back and merged with the nfl. i suspect that's why al had no problem moving his team multiple times, despite the nfl not wanting him to do so.

[@leogetz3570]

All home games were blacked out locally, even if it was a sellout, until the 1973 season. That was an NFL rule

[@Bruce12867]

@@leogetz3570 True, but it was also an NFL rule that all road games must be televised in that team's market, so, technically, the Giants and 49ers were obligated to see their road games even given the close proximity to their home stadiums. It's a loophole that the Jets recognized, but the Raiders didn't.

[@leogetz3570]

@@Bruce12867 Yeah, that's the conversation on a couple of comments here. I'm guessing the NFL had something in place, say, the road team will be televised only if the road team is more than 75 miles away, or something like that. 49ers/Raiders... Jets/Giants... etc. Definitely would love to know the exact rule on that situation

[@WaltGekko]

@@leogetz3570 I remember one case a few years ago where a Eagles-Giants game at Met Life almost failed to sell out, and if it didn't, it was going to be blacked out in New York AND Philly because of Philly being less than 75 miles from East Rutherford, NJ. In a further irony, one reason I believe the Week 14 Eagles-Giants game in 2022 was not flexed to Sunday Night Football was because the Mara family (who along with the Tisch family own the Giants) feared Eagles fans buying up all the tickets from Giants season ticket holders who refuse to go to night games and MetLife being 70,000+ Eagles fans and it effectively being a home game for the Eagles.

[@jeffharper9854]

The blackout was fairly common for Saints fans in that day. Luckily I live midway between New Orleans and Mobile, Alabama. If the Saints were playing at home the CBS station in New Orleans would show another game while the CBS station in Mobile would show the Saints game. They were on every week regardless and they were terrible. As a kid you'd have to have a backup team if yours sucked.

[@chrisguardiano6143]

This is very similar to what happened with NBC, the Fox Sports Regional Networks (now Bally Sports) & the NHL back in 2005. I should point out that the incident I am describing took place a few months after the NHL returned from the lockout that cancelled the entire 2004-05 season. During the lockout, NBC had gotten the NHL rights from ESPN & were eager to broadcast the NHL for the first time since 1974. One of the first games that NBC was planning to show nationally on OLN (which later became the now defunct NBCSN) was a match up between the TB Lightning (the most recent Stanley Cup Champions at the time) vs the Washington Capitals (with a rookie Alexander Ovechkin). However because the Capitals were absolutely terrible prior to the lockout, the regional sports network in Tampa Sun Sports (owned by Fox) decided it would show the game instead of OLN in the Tampa market because they thought that the game would struggle to get good ratings in the Tampa market if it was on OLN. This normally would not be a big deal for a national broadcaster but because NBC was trying to establish credibility with NHL fans in as many markets as possible, they were absolutely livid with this move. Like with this, NBC tried to tell Sun Sports to get out of the way & let OLN televise the game in the Tampa market. However Sun Sports refused citing the loss of local ad revenue as a result of the game being nationally televised. What ended up happening is that elsewhere else in the country got to see the game while hockey fans in Tampa could only see the game on Sun Sports. As for OLN in the Tampa market, they showed highlights of that year's Tour De France instead.

[@WaltGekko]

OLN was a Comcast network that pre-dated Comcast taking over NBC in 2011. It was Vs. when Comcast took over NBC and rebranded NBCSN shortly after.

[@thomascrowley9122]

40 years later they're playing in a crappy TNF game

[@raidger4]

I’m looking forward to the game tonight!

[@coreylevine8095]

This year they going to be on CBS if it not flex out

[@Fireyninjadog]

The first ever battle of LA in the nfl

[@leogetz3570]

The whole Super Bowl 1 being blacked out locally had nothing to do with ticket sales. All NFL games were blacked out locally, even if they were sold out, until the 1973 season. Selling out the Coliseum was always a struggle for the Raiders, even the next year when they won the SB.

[@stevenbauer4799]

'that must be the welcoming committee'. leo getz things done.

[@leogetz3570]

@@stevenbauer4799 ah.... a steven bauer reply, my day is now complete!!!

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@leogetz3570 ha ha better late than never. 'the super'. super funny movie. getz i mean pesci at his funniest.

[@leogetz3570]

@@stevenbauer4799 omg.... yes it was!!

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@leogetz3570 ha ha. his expensive car ransacked for parts and no car alarm went off until next day. funny ass shit.

[@darthuncle]

What about the Rams fans who wanted to see the game as a road team? That's crazy

[@RetroJR3379]

I dont think all 5 Rams/Raiders game sold out when both were in LA . Dont know about 1988 but do remember in 1991 in LA when the Rams were playing the Raiders KCBS aired the Lions/49ers. Always thought it was weird that a road Rams game get blacked out

[@Michael-sb8jf]

Wait was the nfl blackout rule different then or a asterisk on blackout rules on two teams sharing the same city playing against each other? Didn't the "road team" always get the game?

[@mikebutz2611]

This might be a dumb question but why would the blackout be in play then because it was LA vs. LA. One should have trumped the other. The Rams were the CBS team on the road against the AFC team in the Raiders.

[@marcus813]

I remember attending the Lions/Buccaneers game in 1995 and it was the late game on a Saturday. That was the only we here in Central Florida could watch the game because the game wasn't a sellout. I don't know what FOX affiliates WTVT (Tampa Bay) and WOFL (Orlando/Deltona/Daytona), both of which FOX Television Stations has since bought, aired in place of that game, though. As for this Rams/Raiders game, thank goodness CBS stepped in given that this was a national Saturday window. CBS and then-KNXT (now KCBS-TV) sure needed the ad revenue after the strike changed their respective financial outlooks.

[@altfactor]

Had the rest of the 1982 NFL season been cancelled, it's my understanding that ABC, CBS, and NBC would have all lost money for the year, not just in football, but for the entire network operations.

[@marcus813]

@@altfactor That's why the Raiders deciding to black out the game in the LA/Long Beach/Anaheim DMA pissed CBS off so much. CBS was already fighting uphill to begin with.

[@NewDayNY917]

Aren’t the road games of the team in question have to be televised locally though? How does that play out when both teams are in the same city? (I know it’s not a rule no more, just wanted to know how it worked)

[@leogetz3570]

I'm guessing the NFL had something in place because of the Jets/Giants in case of a non sellout when one visited the other. Possibly something like the road team will be televised as long as the road team is more than 75 miles away, or something to that affect

[@MNsportsnut]

Might have more to do with Secondary Markets. I know Jaguars-Buccaneers in 1995 was blacked out in Tampa but Orlando being a Secondary Market of both teams still aired it because road game must air overrid the home game blacked out rule.

[@carloscolon3331]

Unfortunately the nfc dominated the rest of the 80s

[@zvbx]

It seems like this game should have been televised sellout or not because the Rams were the visiting team and in the Los Angeles market. I wonder if at the time the Rams playing their home games in Anaheim had anything to do with it? That being said I wonder how the blackout rule worked for the Jets and Giants if that game is not sold out and both teams playing their home game in the same stadium?

[@dpjacobs28]

Seems like the interest in the game was interest in the game being on TV. Think you may have stretched it a bit.

[@henrymanzano2201]

It surprises me that a Raiders game in LA in 1982 didn't sell out. I thought Raider games were places to see and be seen; that people went to see what celebrities were in the crowd. I don't remember how they did in '82,but they were in between Super Bowl appearances,so they couldn't have been that bad that year

[@leogetz3570]

They were actually a very good team in 82 (maybe the #2 seed in the AFC) but were upset by the Jets in the playoffs. Yeah, they just always struggled to sell out in L.A.

[@andysanchez6781]

They had bad attendance in LA. It’s weird. They way people described raider fandom you would think they would’ve sold out these games. I wonder if it was historically overhyped or if tickets were expensive during that time.

[@leogetz3570]

@@andysanchez6781 well, a 90,000 seat Coliseum didnt help

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

@@andysanchez6781 LA Raider fans are pathetic posers , Raider fans from the Bay are the real fans

[@RetroJR3379]

Didn't know that the Blackout rule also applied to Saturday and Monday Night

[@kylenickelberry1602]

Definitely does. Grew up in St Louis and rarely had home Monday night games. The two that I recall (1977, 19i3) were both blacked out.

[@higgy04]

Back in the 1980's before Buffalo started to make playoff appearances an annual occurrence, their MNF games were never sold out and ended up being blacked out not only in Western New York, BUT MOST OF ONTARIO TOO!! Who knew the blackout rules crossed international borders too. Because Global TV complied with the NFL's blackout rules, viewers from Windsor to Ottawa to North Bay and Sudbury were not allowed to watch Buffalo play on MNF. Maybe some relief if you weren't a fan of Howard Cosell though.

[@daleburrer1546]

I went to this game. How about the game should have been televised in Orange County, but not Los Angeles. By the way, during the time the Raiders were in LA. the Raiders went 4-1 against the Rams including the very last season for the Rams in So. Ca. as the Raiders defeated the Rams 20-17 at Anaheim Stadium.

[@TheSonicsean]

I wonder if the rule that games aren't blacked out for the visiting team could have come into play. I know that for example, when the Lions were having their games blacked out multiple times a year the road city could still watch. Though I don't know if I've had something like this happen recently where both teams are in the same market (NYC, the Bay Area and currently LA are the only places where it could be a possibility). On a related note, the blackout rule is really dumb. You're not supporting your team enough so we will make it so nobody can watch the team play, that will get butts in seats!

[@coreylevine8095]

It were a sellout in 1988 game between those teams

[@marcus813]

Their last matchup with both of them based in the LA/Long Beach/Anaheim DMA in '94 sold out and aired on KNBC, but then-Anaheim Stadium was much easier to fill up than the LAMC was.

[@coreylevine8095]

The Blackout rules had been gone since 2015

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

It's interesting that MLB has blackout rules yet they keep saying they're gonna fix it but they haven't. Pfft

[@higgy04]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld The NHL has blackout rules and they are a total farce.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

@@higgy04 yep surprising that they still kept the blackout restriction when NBC got rights to the NHL an it surprised me when ESPN outbid and got nhl rights seeing how badly they cover other sports that aren't baseball basketball and football. I certainly won't lift blackout rules for them at all.

[@higgy04]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld Try living in Canada. TSN (Canada's Sports Leader. Yeah right from an Alberta perspective) has regional rights to Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal, and part-time with Toronto (split with Sportsnet). Because Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver have regional rights with Sportsnet, all but one of the five TSN channels could be blacked out at the same time (especially with Montreal's games appearing on the NATIONAL TSN 2 channel!! Huh?!?) I'm paying too much for tonnes (metric reference) of dead air.

[@shipofthesun]

As a Falcons fan, blackouts sucked.

[@stevenbauer4799]

big deal. raiders never sold out coliseum. and lambs sucked that year so la didn't care about them. that season got lambs dickerson. and you would think jg9 would get up to date on dec. 8th one of these years and discuss the mnf game in foxboro that night between pats and phins and what cosell announced to the nat. tv audience at midnight. the first report of it to get out that night. the youngin's may not know that one. shame on you jg9.

[@altfactor]

That game was in Miami, not Foxboro.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@altfactor Wrong. i saw it. it was in ne. it was on the turf in foxboro. phins wore white. if they were at home in prime time they would have had the aqua jerseys on.

[@americangiant1003]

Actually Cosell and the MNF crew was the first TV outlet in America or the World about Lennon's Murder.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@americangiant1003 yes they were. that was just before cnn and the 24 hour news. local news on the east coast was over by midnight. no nightline either. abc with national audience spilled the news first.

[@americangiant1003]

@@stevenbauer4799 If you a “national audience” across America you correct. I think around the end of Tonight Show hosted then by Johnny Carson did have a brief off camera announcement by NBC of Lennon’s death as well around Midnight. And CBS had nothing until their morning show. FYI several NYC radio stations including then Rock music stations WABC-AM WPLJ-FM WNEW-FM and legendary all radio news station WINS was the first ones to announce the news also in that same time period as MNF did at close to Midnight. Ps Did Nightline have coverage of the Lennon murder after that Pats/Fish game? I agree 1000% that Jag should do a segment on the Lennon murder and the MNF connection in Dec 1980.