The Craziest WR Ever... that may get disqualified

[@TWCubed]

"a bit lower in TPS, with only 13"

[@Biryani2op]

Lmao ikr

[@OP-pe4yc]

Gahdayum

[@GanghuiLin]

If that disqualifies then I guess no record holder would ever upload their videos online in fear of such controversy.

[@TimofeiSopin-ov6dp]

I agree

[@ianmoore5502]

At least until it's verified

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

this already happened with Vako Marchilashvili .44 2x2 single, this solution was quite hard to execute and he got it in a almost world record time, for example, this same exact scramble was generated at a competition last year, (solution being U R U R' U) and the fastest time on it was a .55, next being a .66 DNF, Not to say that this isint possible (it definetly is) but there is a high chance that he just told everyone to not upload the solve because he had a sketchy start/stop etc... not to mention this also happened with yihengs old .93 world record average original 5th solve (1.37). that video has STILL not released to the public yet. and there is no way nobody just happened to not record the solve, something clearly happened at the competition, and the people who have the video arent giving it up.

[@AlexMaass]

​how do you know there is a video?@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs

[@AlexMaass]

other people will still film yiheng tho

[@ReubenBBX]

if it is canceled then he will just get a sub .7 next

[@rk31]

but first zayn will and then this will get reinstated

[@Mizticx]

​@@rk31LMAO FR

[@ReubenBBX]

@@rk31 lol yeah

[@samueljehanno]

​@@rk31bruh 😂

[@arsy5337]

​@@rk31😂😂😂😂

[@TetraCubing]

7:37 if his timer starts are this consistently "bad" throughout the average, it's likely that the 0.92 average also had similar timer starts.

[@zeroing000]

Other 2x2 solvers also have these kinds of timer starts, it’s very hard to prevent and if they only +2 yihengs average it would be simply unfair, they should either look through all videos of fast 2x2 times and +2 the ones with bad timer starts, or not +2 it.

[@Jemiღ]

@@zeroing000zayn doesn’t lmao

[@badandslo]

​​​@@zeroing000 people have looked at other top players' frame by frame and most of them have a 0.12-0.2 second time that is not execution, which means its pickup and stops. But Yiheng has the majority of these non execution times less than 0.1, some even being as low as 0.01 which just isn't possible.

[@Subzero02.]

We can speculate but ultimately we can't see enough of the timer to be able to disqualify it

[@Square-one123]

Zayn's average has been framecounted to be 0.75, while Yiheng's 0.78 average have been framecounted to be 0.78, with some having sliding starts and others not.

[@morwitzz]

New idea for 2x2 event. No inspection allowed, and the event is reborn.

[@PTPirahnna1765]

True

[@apaarsthoughts]

how would that be implemented

[@aaplies8879]

@@apaarsthoughtsplayer removes cover themselves after both hands have left the pads :P

[@mistykal]

@@aaplies8879 or just create something to automatically open the cover once the start button pressed.

[@absorb1505]

​@@apaarsthoughts same way as 3x3 blind folded works

[@noahswor]

There's an additional precedent with sliding timer starts specifically; Ellery Dillon did the same thing in 2022 on a 0.53 single and 1.5 official average. If you frame counted the solves, they were all around 0.2 slower, and it was clear from looking at the video that he was using sliding starts. When I emailed WRC about this, they reached the same conclusion; if it can't be caught in real time, it would stand. This problem has always existed, and this WR is finally making everyone aware of it.

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

the only thing is that a 1.5 average is not near the WR, and the .53 time he got on that 4 mover (his pr single) is quite beatable without using the sliding technique, (0.3x DS is quite easy to get without sliding). the obvious problem here is the fact that the first solve and others in yihengs .78 average are almost humanly impossible with correct starts and stops. top 2x2ers only able to achieve around mid .8 on solve #1 with near perfect execution, but legit stops and starts.

[@boltcuber9242]

Man Yiheng just can’t get a win 😭

[@catcuber4819]

especially in 2x2

[@Yurio]

People just hating

[@pi3.1415]

he can't get a win without controversy, which is sad

[@TajBressert]

I feel for him bro

[@TajBressert]

@@pi3.1415ye

[@michaelnielsen3551]

Not being able to use frame-by-frame analysis for an event that is completed in under one second is absolutely ludicrous

[@oshiriyuko]

I mean, if you can't standardize the device used to record the solves, or ensure the video hasn't been 'processed' before it's posted, then frame-by-frame analysis should not be considered valid evidence.

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

thank you

[@Subzero02.]

​@@oshiriyukoOoh I've never heard this point before, this is actually really valid

[@jonathantilahun9694]

valid.

[@AverageGuy28]

Not every solve is filmed, so you can't use film to void a record.

[@TimofeiSopin-ov6dp]

1:57 I didn't even know about that!!!

[@SamuelBairdCubing]

excellent video! I think this is the most comprehensive thing I have seen online so far discussing Yiheng's timer starts

[@ninjaempire9093]

Such an amazing video, putting all of the controversy and confusion into one place, you're the goat

[@Kaleteh92]

As of 27/9/24, here is the current decision made by WCA: Yiheng’s 0.78 is going to stand, but sliding from now on is illegal and will be penalised to anyone thats a top solver. Theres also a LOT more information related about this that I haven’t gone over that can be found on the WCA forum.

[@thecubeisalie413]

And it got cancelled a few min ago

[@RandomVideos_Stuff]

I really appreciate you taking a look at this and talking about it cube master!

[@eeaaaeaeae]

isn’t there display lag though? anyway i think this is a similar situation with what happened with yusheng du, world record drops a lot by someone unexpected, then everyone starts saying that the wr has to be fake or something was illegal imo if zayn got this record the controversy would be much smaller

[@infrences]

The last frame that Cube Master used for the example solve had the display at 0.58, which is way faster than what the timer displayed after the solve.

[@eeaaaeaeae]

@@infrences i was saying that there could be a difference between the actual current time on the stackmat and the time shown on the display

[@pi3.1415]

@@eeaaaeaeae yep, there definitely is display lag

[@CubeMasterYT]

Yep, there is display lag, but it doesn't change anything about the analysis - when counting frames backwards from when he stops the timer, the frame I showed is in fact when he starts the timer. I don't think anyone is denying his skill. But with an event like 2x2, fractions of a second matter that much.

[@CommercialSwine]

People are just in denial cuz they like Zayn.

[@bra1n5torm]

I don't understand why we hit timers anyway. Why does not a camera start the timer it as soon as its lifted? Or have a mat that senses it being picked up, or an infrared sensor, or a laser pointer sensor? The year is not 1995. This is solving a Rubix cube competition not a hitting pads fast competition.

[@ayman11890]

Grammar nice

[@descendingforth]

If this gets disqualified then so many other records will have to be disqualified for illegal timer stops and starts so i think this video is nitpicking the sovles frame by frame and going too in depth. At full speed Yihengs solves are fine. So this wr average shouldn't get disqualified in my opinion!

[@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428]

That's the same thing I said. If you look at Zayn's averages (and many many other 2x2ers) they do the same thing.

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

these times for some of these solves are very unrealistic. plus, it should only be used in certain scenarios like this to where he clearly is turning the cube with his hands on the timer

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 show me one clip of zayn doing the same thing offically.

[@AdminGDgaming]

​@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428wtf? Yiheng's timer start and stop are really sus. He put his hands extremely close to the cube and timer. He can easily cheat and get 0.2-0.3 sec faster than normal

[@sicapanjesis3987]

​@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 did you just pull it out of your ass? If Zayn did this probably everyone would have said about it at that time

[@AngelosMerkouroglou]

2x2 is finally free

[@mikayeo]

LESS GO ANOTHER CUBE MASTER VID

[@kavinbala8885]

in 2x2 do they know the full solution during inspection? considering how fast the solves are I can't imagine they can react to the new cube positions

[@Luki.speedcube]

how do you set your timer for live?

[@Mike__B]

3:26 is quite egregious, not only is he touching the cube before the timer starts he actually gets more than one full move before the timer starts. It looks like his wrists are still on the timer while he's grabbing the cube hence why the timer doesn't start. I get not doing frame by frame analysis but there's gotta be a line drawn for this.

[@cuberious1419]

Zayn has plot armor

[@Purplevids]

Look how much time consuming it is to stop the timer. Yiheng solves the whole cube in 0.58 seconds but after he stops the timer it was 0 78 😮

[@elrit6]

display lag

[@LandonShue-yr7xr]

I was at the zayn competition I was mid solve and dropped the cube from the commotion great first competition tho I got to meet zay n he was nice

[@SlowerCuber]

Just curious whether people use the same methodology to analyze other people's solves (e.g. Zayn's, Nigel's) , and what are the results?

[@baenmarq]

then why tf my 6 second skewb average still up where i chopped the timer on every solve

[@ThatCubeKidd]

if this record counts i wouldnt be surprised to see many people recreating these starts

[@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428]

Look at averages from top 2x2 solvers. They already do it.

[@ThatCubeKidd]

@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 not really, only 2 names come to mind, ellery and charinwit

[@AdminGDgaming]

​@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428look at Zayn and many others cuber. They never did that

[@coconutcubes5750]

Brilliant and informative video, especially on the Russian NR as an example to prove yiheng’s WR would probably stand. Interesting fact, if we framecount Zayn’s 0.92 and yiheng’s 0.78 avg, zayn actually has a faster avg than yiheng

[@kinghomeboy]

How about WIDENING the buttons on the timer. Yes I know this will restart the world records again but if that can eliminate questionable stop timer issues with hand contact with the cube while pressing the timer at the same time then that's one suggestion that might solve that. Plus having the timer so wide that a new "sweeping" technique would be implemented to start the timer while having to reach for the cube and make a clear distinction that you haven't touched the cube at the same time as the timer should help clear up this issue. But that's just my perspective.

[@fomrehkuda]

When do you solve square 1 parity during cp or ep

[@Feverstockphoto]

Can't wait till Yiheng gets back to concentrating on 3x3, revealing his 20 tps and ZBLL skills 🙃🙂 👍

[@eeaaaeaeae]

such tps is much harder to acheive on 3x3 due to less stability since less layers can be held while turning, and also because L and D moves might require grip shifting

[@skwerl_y]

@@eeaaaeaeae 🤓

[@eeaaaeaeae]

@@skwerl_y i dont get it, what is your point

[@Feverstockphoto]

@@eeaaaeaeae Yep much harder but not impossible especially for the King, and once Neuralink version 9 becomes available 20 tps will be considered slow 🙂🙃👍

[@eeaaaeaeae]

@@Feverstockphoto ban brain chips with metal detectors? 🤔🤨🗣️

[@tiagoakihirofujita5463]

in the fourth solve, there is a seven mover, by cancelling into an LEG-1 when making the orange side

[@johndorian473]

My idea is the frame by frame scrutiny should apply only for WR/CR/NR type solves. Basically the solves that matter the most. That way we make judicious use of delegate's time and aren't wasting it on any random 8 second solve

[@hyumeda]

Lets go my video was used in a cube master vid!!!! (Im fine with it btw)

[@VelocityCubes]

STOP THE CONTROVERSY JUST LET HIM TAKE THE WIN

[@TajBressert]

Real

[@rebucato3142]

If it was just the comp then maybe. But it is important for competition regulations to be fair for everyone no matter where or when they compete. Whether Yiheng is right or wrong, it is important to have these discussions to make sure we are aware of what makes WCA competitions a credible platform for showcasing the talent of speedcubers.

[@Ragingdude362]

Honestly don't blame the vid blame the rubilks cube company web that started it

[@Dylan.Gmusic]

Bruh just let him have his time he's clearly solving it in that time there's no need to "technically 🤓" the situation

[@ninjaempire9093]

7:52 is this actually happening?? 2x2 will be removed?

[@CoachTabe]

No. That was a parody post by Kit.

[@insanetrickshots1]

Bro they disqualify every Yiheng WR just for him to break it again 2 weeks later.

[@jables3377]

I'm new to this competition.... is there a minimum number of spins for the world record?

[@shiva_dev_22]

you should do a video about the mirror sq1 and sq0

[@ParkourMarkskilz]

Amazing video!

[@bealu9459]

5:42 We can go Turn by Turn F that, we can go Frame by Frame🎤

[@mofeiyang4587]

So for the timer start problem, you kind of need to go back a couple of frames to see the actual timer start, since the thing is that the display of the timer has an around .2 lag, so when HIS timer starts, the display only starts after .2 seconds. And the only reason this is suspicious is because of the perspective the spectators are videoing, which does not allow for a good view of the hands on the timer. This issue is because that, frankly speaking, the wca people just don't want chinese cubers dominating stuff like 2x2. If timer starts and stops will be framecounted and scrutinized, just use framecounting for timing. even though his timer starts are not AS good, they are still allowed by the wca. If the wca DQs this world record, imagine the uproar it will cause... Edit: now chinese cubers will just use 144p vids for evidence that they got the record... so sad...

[@TetraCubing]

the display doesnt actually matter here, you can completely ignore the display and rely on just framecounting which is what cube master did. although there is a lag in the display the time on the timer itself should be accurate

[@walternullifidian]

The only way I could win a cube competition is if it was for the longest time to solve a cube! 🤣

[@bashdad3538]

wow i cant belive the record was just beat

[@ScoochCubing]

I love how casually you say 19 tps 💀

[@F1shP331y]

We could be frame by from, f**k that we could go…

[@shanegrogan6834]

Last time an event got so fast that it was virtually impossible to judge without slow-motion, the WCA removed the event. That obviously shouldn't happen here because of how big a staple 2x2 is, but that does mean there's now no reason Magic can't come back.

[@kazedcat]

Remove inspection to make solves a little bit longer.

[@paramoecium9308]

2 by 2 has been crazy the past couple months. Also in the solve where the cube seems to move after the solve, is the cube touching the timer? Is that not a plus 2?

[@a-o-s]

I know they can’t really do it for reasons: Takes longer, Hardware needed, Makes future competition results incompatible with previous ones. but they should just film at 1000fps, and time starts from when you touch it, to when you’re not touching it.

[@GanghuiLin]

a bluetooth cube does it

[@digs-]

I don’t understand why something shouldn’t be overturned with slow mo. Slow motion shows us what actually happened, as opposed to the limitations of the naked eye. That’s why they use it in the mlb all the time

[@henrysiebs1680]

Hes a kid, are we really considering taking away a record we definitely derserves? Yiheng is the goat.

[@baconfrenzy7]

1 example could be those who just want to solve the cube but dont want to get better

[@feliciensteux5302]

the thing is a rule is a rule you can't change a rule for annything exept if it is generalised that it is legal so i think it should be canceld even tho it is still crayze fas

[@JamesonJamestackSwick]

If records shouldn't be analyzed frame by frame, then this 100% counts.

[@ezrashere]

That rule was written back when times weren't so fast. I don't have an opinion on weather it should stay or not but I just dont like this argument.

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

@@ezrashere facts, people will abuse this way too far if this record stands

[@baconcat2458]

@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrsthe record is going to stand. That's almost certain. It's just a matter of if they change the regs as a result of this

[@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428]

Everyone uses this lol. Even Zayn uses it. Ppl are all the sudden mad when Yiheng does it bc they think that Zayn deserves the record more. There is no problem with having your own opinion, but the thing is that if they were to DQ this average, they would need to look through tons of averages and DQ them too.

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 nobody deserves anything lmao, they both have put thousands of hours, years of their life into the art of cubing. its not the matter of who "deserves it" or not. its about how yiheng is doing moves on the cube even before the timer starts. and yes it is true that they would have to +2 (i wouldnt say disqualify because the rule that is being broken only results in a +2) a bunch of other averages, such as the .76 bpa he got at sunway velocity mall open first round, where he does this same sliding technique there.

[@schmack221]

its very clear that most people in these comments care more about yiheng getting a record than the actual integrity of that record. implement 4pad at this point because more and more people are gonna start using these illegal stops and starts in sprint events, and tbh the wca shouldnt be about who can start/stop the timer the fastest, and at least 4pad standardizes timer starts to some extent

[@Nevseros]

Mom look I'm on TV

[@thatdnahero]

I kinda hope this happens so that 2x2 can continue being an event

[@Onewiththecube]

The outro music starts playing

[@Xavier.jpcubes]

I swear bro is insane I mean 19 tps that's crazy

[@FasterSpeedCubing]

Did anyone notice the 7 mover on solve 4😮

[@JasonZ1di0t]

I'm not that worried about Yiheng's record and the controversy. He obviously has the skill for another 2x2 WR, and as long as the regulations about timer start and ends are made clearer in the future and Yiheng doesn't do anything funny when the rules are clear, he's still the best in my opinion (so far).

[@broeycubing]

As a Zayn fan and fellow northeastern 2x2 solver, I hope this is disqualified (and I don't to trash talk yiheng or anything), but I highly doubt it's gonna happen, given the fact that he's been using these starts and stops for soooo long now and no one cared until it caused controversy. And two more random thoughts: 1. the person who first brought up the discussion was Ibrahim Khanani, who I believe is Zayn and Hassan's brother. This makes it slightly biased, and again, I am "for Zayn" 2. 2x2 is not over. I refuse to accept that. People can keep trying to beat their own times, and eventually this record will be beaten. (For my fellow 2x2 mains, the removal message, is, simply put, a JOKE)

[@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428]

Zayn uses sliding too

[@broeycubing]

@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 not as much

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 hes doesnt slide lmao

[@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428]

@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs Yes he does. The timer starts after he touches the cube and his hands are still barely touching the timer but he does it fast and it is hard to notice if you don't slow it down.

[@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428]

@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs If you don't believe me, look at the second solve of his 1.02 average. He started his turn before the timer even moved.

[@AverageGuy28]

Not every solve is filmed, so you can't use film to void a record.

[@seminyoon1]

4th solve with negative time start should be an obvious +2

[@TajBressert]

Its sometimes sad how so many people get so controversial

[@Nebula_Kakapo]

whyh are alll of his averags in 2x2 a contrvoersy lmao

[@nicolaschenclaudialin7339]

So they made rules back then, people acepted it and moved yet now that yiheng's solve can be backed up by that same rule people are completely ignoring it or saying it shouldn't count as a rule. Isnt this the exact definition of bipolar? Having two faces, they respected one person yet disrespected another when both were under the same circumstances. Yiheng's solve counts and it counts, its stated by the rules of WCA themselves, blame it on WCA if you want but you cant change his record out of nowhere, change the rule if you must but its too late already, yiheng's record stands

[@TimofeiSopin-ov6dp]

7:52 Wait what?!

[@broeycubing]

It's a joke lol. This was an edited version of Tyson Mao's announcement of removing feet (or maybe it was magic or something).

[@TimofeiSopin-ov6dp]

@@broeycubing Actually??

[@broeycubing]

@@TimofeiSopin-ov6dp Yeah

[@durban55]

Are they really taking off 2x2 from the WCA next year??? I couldn’t find anything about it onlinr

[@infrences]

It’s a shitpost

[@durban55]

@@infrences ohh good i was worried

[@xiaoqi2218]

Is it possible that there’s a little delay from timer to the big display? If so the frame-to-frame video analysis is not very precise.

[@radicalrick9587]

*Wooooooo! I've always maintained that Wang's one of the biggest cheaters in cubing history. It's sad because he's really good. If you look at the very beginning of the video, set the video on the slowest setting, and watch as his hands are sliding, keeping the clock from starting just yet. Look at the main clock and it hasn't even started until after he has already picked up the cube!!??* *I read body language, and I'm telling you, he's the biggest cheater in Rubik's cubing history. Wang's always, always looking for a way to cut corners. His Parents or teams have probably taught him from birth how to cheat.*

[@ThatCubeKing13]

Do you want to collaborate😊

[@skwebjacob]

yiheng presents a very good case for why fast cubers shouldn't record their solves

[@AutosAreBad_YT]

0:25 and again… and again

[@Speedcubenz]

Hey mate, not sure if you'll see this but I'd love to watch this on my stream on Wednesday night, would. that be OK with you? Please let me know! 🙏

[@CubeMasterYT]

Apologies if this is late, but yeah for sure!

[@catchgoogle]

09/27: The day cubing died

[@pi3.1415]

we are so back now

[@jasonbest1]

Hmm… what about introducing a “minimum distance” that the cube has to be placed away from the Stackmat timer? What if people adapt and do forearm sliding timer starts? 🤣 But also, if the cube has to be so far away… how does this affect previous solves in history?

[@grimruin]

How about you change the timers so that instead of having the sensors right in front of you, they are instead off to the sides, with the puzzle in the middle. That way it would just be impossible to reach them with your forearms. And eliminate any sort of 'no karate chop' rules, can't have a 'is this legal or not' if all methods are legal.

[@jpmixtape7803]

Why only 2x2? 😂😅

[@wangwang575]

We can go frame by frame fuck that we go n for n 😂

[@jarr822]

atp im everywhere 💀istg i look so stupid

[@TeddyR_Official]

Record or not, it’s still fast AF 🤣

[@OP-pe4yc]

7:36 😅😅😅

[@grosman4934]

A year ago, the world record for average time was 1.01 and it was crazy. How is speedcubing growing so fast?

[@CapUct]

Are his parents forcing him to cube?

[@ZebraCubes]

Chill I just found out Yiheng broke the record

[@Speedcubing-TV]

All I’m saying is replay review

[@Querkel]

lol some parts of this video are speedup to make the video creator look like as he could do it as fast as the kid lol

[@Canyonpettitt]

Give this kid a break man

[@Canyonpettitt]

Not you I meant the wca

[@Tru-Cubing]

NO!!!(Yes)

[@cubedcommunities_mn3242]

Bye 2x2!

[@RemyMS]

Insane!

[@austinplayz960]

yay i thought i would never suceed in lie because of this 11 year old

[@GoofyCuber-dj4tg]

Yoo nice vid

[@chumbucketpatty]

#JusticeForYiheng. this record is 100% legit.

[@alphabeta4682]

The American cubing community is full of hate to this child.

[@ainaka0001]

The timer starts are literally fine. Going frame-by-frame and saying it "should" be this or that when going backwards is not the way to determine anything here

[@skwerl_y]

1) aw man I thought the starts were metaphorically fine /j 2) using frame-by-frame analysis on an event under one second seems perfectly logical 3) if there are no standards for the timer starts then I might as well solve the whole cube with my hands still on the timer; of course we will be saying it "should" be this or that 4) if you want to learn something visually specific about the solves, then the best way to do that is to view them as it is done in the video not trying to be rude, but there certainly are some problems with what you're trying to say

[@that4x4addict]

Let my man get his WR, I was at the comp and saw how angry his mom was at him and can really tell how pressured he was. Stop with all the hating, if you cannot get a WR and just like to prevent others from their happy moments, you have absolutely no place to be in the world of cubing. Yiheng, great job and do not let all these haters downplay you

[@BananeBeN286]

His mom was mad at him? why that

[@AndrewTan-random]

@@BananeBeN286Just Asian mum things, I think she thought he was fooling around too much or something idk

[@DhairyaDave]

True

[@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs]

Let him get WR while hes touching the cube while starting the timer? take feelings out of it, hes clearly breaking the rules.

[@moodlethenoodle]

@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs Dodsn't even matter, he'll just break it again at some point

[@TLFcubing]

Shi would be so funny if it god disqualified

[@user-zt2zc3px6g]

3:51 and 4:11 voice cracks I can't stand it

[@MrGreenMelon]

0.78???????