The CRIPPLING HIDDEN COST of ELECTRIC CARS that NO ONE is EVen TELLING YOU about!

The CRIPPLING HIDDEN COST of ELECTRIC CARS that NO ONE is EVen TELLING YOU about! If you think Electric Vehicles are cheaper to run, then you may want to think again as I expose the hidden cost of an EV that no one wants you to know!
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[@Ihavetwoearsandonemouth]

I made the comment about 3 years ago on Daily Mail online about electric car tyres wearing quicker and ending up in the waterways...Guess what....comment got removed!

[@danendicott]

Its crazy just how much is getting overlooked

[@markbray2988]

It cost you more than you thought Lee. In the time you were having the £700 tyres fitted your car deprecated another £1,000.

[@alanhowemusic2457]

So if the tyres are wearing out faster does that mean there is an added hidden rubber pollution using EV cars and an increase in road surface wear compared to Petrol or Diesel cars?

[@MStanleyRoss]

Good point!

[@patagualianmostly7437]

Good point regarding tyres...... The amount of used tyres in the world is a major problem recycling is a costly and not an environmentally good practice. But hey..... Electric Cars.... no exhaust. The Emperors New Clothes anyone?

[@malcolmlytton9114]

Yes, fine particulates from tyre wear get in the air and cause health problems particularly in cities. Particulates from diesel engines have reduced with better engines and DPF's but nothing can be done about particulates from tyres and EV's are increasing this type of pollution.

[@chrissmith2114]

The biggest costs of EV are not tyres, they are crippling insurance and cliff-edge depreciation.... But the EVangelists never talk about that.

[@xusiaxod6255]

Not just the cost but more tyre pollution from the rubber particulates, so obviously, that's an environmental benefit right??

[@robertgreen9614]

The EV tyre wear issue has been well researched and well hidden. Most studies put an average EV's tyre wear rate at 30% greater than a comparable sized ICE vehicle (some run as high as 40%). The other thing that has a bearing on the tyre's lifespan (and it also applies to some ICE car tyres) is that EV tyres are "low rolling resistance" to try and improve battery range. In pretty well all cases where a tyre is a "low rolling resistance" design, part of that technology includes having less tread depth to start with on your shiny new tyres (than what a regular tyre might have).🤷‍♂️ I haven't heard much more about it, but I think it was Citroen IIRC, that stated they were working on a budget EV with 500,000 km tyres. When you got into the nitty gritty though, the tyres were designed to be retreaded multiple times to achieve that claimed distance.

[@DwaynePipes]

Can't be that well hidden. You found it!🤔😂

[@robertgreen9614]

@@DwaynePipes I knew where to look.😉

[@stuartodell2828]

It’s not the case for my ev the tyres are wearing much the same as my Audi s5

[@robertgreen9614]

@@stuartodell2828 That's not really telling us much. Brand of EV? Which spec Audi A5? Type of tyres on each car? Type of usage for each car? Is it the same driver doing all the driving in both cars? I have a daughter in law that rips through a set of tyres every 20,000 kms in a diesel Dualis. If her husband bought an EV and said to me "tyre wear is the same as the Dualis", that would mean it's f#cking terrible.🤷‍♂️

[@domcento]

Only if you smash the accelerator, I could say ice cars are the same unless you still drive a Morris minor, younger days in the v8 HO days a set of tyres every 20,000km. Most petrols heads I know run high performance tyres like Pirrelli P5's another not comparing apples with apples.

[@hawkboy451]

If you park in Luton be sure to fit Firestones.....

[@alanb7355]

ha ha ha that's very good :-)

[@alanhowemusic2457]

Thank you for the video, I didn’t realise tyres for electric cars were different to Petrol or Diesel cars but how wrong I was. This does indeed need to be publicised. Well done Lee and than you for sharing this information, yet another cost to consider when purchasing an Electric Car.

[@stulop]

It is buulshit. Hyundai Kona Petrol 1.6 1377kg, Hybrid 1.6 1453kg, Electric 64kwh 1685kg. Electric 48kwh 1715kg. The same tyre would be fine on any of these cars. His tyres are special because he has a high performance car. Don't get drawn in to his nonsense.

[@davidcarradice2866]

If you research tyres for electric cars you will find that the difference is the tread pattern.

[@stulop]

@@davidcarradice2866 The difference is promised extra efficiency or less road noise, that is it. That may indeed offer a different tread pattern to sell this added value. Hyundai Kona Petrol 1.6 1377kg, Hybrid 1.6 1453kg, Electric 64kwh 1685kg. Electric 48kwh 1715kg. All of these models are absolutely fine on the same tyres.

[@chrisbarnes2823]

Couple of things to consider, 1, you cannot rotate the wheels front to back, so you will have abnormal wear on the rear rubber. 2, BEV’s produce a lot of torque, hence softer rubber. 3, what kind of tire do you use in the winter?? Because those tires are not going to do much.

[@brianpuplett3279]

You can rotate the wheels front to back, as with other cars it depends on the model. The wear depends on driving style, as with all cars.

[@pqsaservices]

Hi Lee, I've just had 4 new tyres fitted to my 69 plate SEAT Tarraco, and that, including wheel alignment came to pretty much the same cost as your two rear tyres! And these are the first replacement tyres I've had on the vehicle since I purchased it at 5 months old! I've done a total of 33,000 miles, and that includes towing a caravan! Also what people don't mention, along with the extra cost of tyres, is all the pollution from the rubber coming off of them! If they are only lasting half the time of tyres on an ICE vehicle, then they are producing twice as much rubber pollution per mile. Where is the saving of the environment in that?!?! Jonathan.

[@brianmurphy8790]

C'mon, at least they banned plastic straws to save the planet.

[@garywebster6453]

But factor in its a porsche, so poor comparison to a seat. Also rubber loss comes from any vehicle, this could be low or high depends on driving style. Ive been in forums where guys do a set of rears in 3 to 5k,some get 20 to 30k.also ev uses lots of regen braking so no brake dust/pollution as you put it. Guess your wheels never get brake dust on them. No pollution equals no vehicles, and a return to the stone age.

[@garygillard9233]

I am buying my wife an EV, Seems like the perfect trojan horse to get back at her for all the misery she has caused me over the years.

[@jamesdietsch7868]

😂 😂

[@Chris_the_Muso]

Yeah? You'll probably be the one charging it. Got my wife a diesel Mazda CX-5 which we she had for about five years. She never once put fuel in that damn thing.

[@Actually-y7j]

I wish I bought an EV for my ex wife just before we divorced. Nice legal battery bomb...

[@johnshepherd5673]

You saved me from buying an electric car. They are not the future, and I say that as a retired Fellow of the Institute of Electrical Engineers, so my natural affinity is to all things electrical. You and Geoff are so spot on, keep it going 👌👌

[@andersonomo597]

It always makes me happy when I have the same opinion as an expert! Makes me feel a few IQ points better LOL Cheers from Oz!

[@unysis212]

😂😂

[@FullFact548]

EVs are not the future? How did you reach that conclusion?

[@toad008]

@@FullFact548 He dreamt it.

[@stuartodell2828]

With better battery technology and longer range and more chargers being available around the country they are definitely the future it’s all coming you just have to accept it.

[@TonyBraun]

Greetings from New Zealand...........I come here to listen to your stories about the reality of EVs. Seems that some guys come here for stories about "fish n' chips"......

[@tinasteer2507]

The shine has gone of electric cars as no one wants to get toasted.

[@Yorkmedia1]

It’s amazing that no one is talking about cost of tyres for EVS I know they cost more then normal tyres Lee

[@geraldkoth654]

Just wait until you have to replace the battery.

[@DwaynePipes]

Or a Porsche gearbox or engine or a rebuild! Expensive cars expensive repairs!😢

[@JoshDobbert]

A few other things people dont talk about is insurance cost and registration tax. So where i live the state just passed a new ev tax since the fuel fund to repair roads cant keep up. so you pay 400$ a year on top of normal taxes just to register an ev now. Also insurance, my wife works in insurance and its extremely expensive. I have an audi a6 prestige, my insurance is about 2k a yr, the average Tesla is 5k a year where i live. Also home charging is getting expensive as most utility companies no longer offer off peak rates. EVs right now in my state are extremely expensive to drive now.

[@timothyshanks6799]

UK here. Insurance is 1500 on a model 3 performance instead of 500, on my slk merc for instance. Running costs are the same as an efficient petrol ( gas) car but in the uk that is significantly more than your part of the world. Seems you pay more to insure it, less to run it but as suspected governments make them good to buy in the first place then bring the costs back to just the same as we are used too... And the add a bit... All the same, all pricks

[@timhicks2154]

All this truth will make the EVangelists cry!

[@roccprofit]

No one wants to talk about the cost of maintaining an EV because it doesn't fit the story that EVs are cheaper.

[@bradleywilkinson8882]

Why is that? Fuel petrol is way more energy dense that any battery electric charge system

[@slydermartin6008]

"Energy Dense". How many tons of Earth are Raped for One Tesla Battery using DIESEL FUEL....how many African Children are digging for Rare Earth Minerals, Uyghurs in Chinese Slave Camps making those batteries? Energy Dense? 1984 Doublespeak.@@bradleywilkinson8882

[@alanbrown9306]

That is true, ICE vehicles have more energy density than batteries but are way less energy efficient. Such a waste, all that precious energy from the valuable oil up in smoke.@@bradleywilkinson8882

[@HarryH04]

My BMW ICE cars went through tyres by 25,000 miles at best and cost me £220 a tyre (thought that was a good distance vs cost. My EV tyres went 35,000 miles (and probably could have gone another 1000 miles)and the replacement tyres cost the same at £220 a tyre, so wouldn’t say its a hidden cost and both ICE and EV cars need new tyres at some point.

[@thalesofmiletus2966]

@@HarryH04my two cents worth. My EV tyres were 100-150 quid each. Front ones have been replaced. The two back ones are both at 4mm after 30,000 miles.

[@adairwilkinson6916]

Interesting, Lee. , by way of a contrast, I am running a Mk 8 Golf GTD. 200bhp and loads of torque on Michelin Cross Climate 2. The car is front wheel drive only and front tyres are down to 3 mm after 21000 miles. .

[@tylerward6723]

Facts matter. Thanks Mac for showing the reality to burst the EVangelist's bubble.

[@FullFact548]

I agree. Here's another fact, someone I know drove 60k miles on his first set of Michelin tyres on a Tesla Model S85.

[@garythomson1]

Spot on macmaster, I'd never buy an EV after this!!! ice is the past, present and future!! Carbon free fuel all the way!

[@jamesbartlett5005]

Where's the 2nd hand market for evs going to be in a few years when all the batteries need replacing at £8-10k?

[@johnbolt665]

It's interesting that a Tesla weighs, 5390 lbs whereas a 59 Cadillac land yacht possibly the largest American car of all time weighed, 4834 lbs, think about that for a second!

[@garywebster6453]

1850kgs,actually.

[@SurrealWorldNews]

@@garywebster6453 Actually he said lbs and not kgs.

[@SurrealWorldNews]

The Mercedes Benz EQS weighs in at 5888 lbs (2.9 Tons)!!

[@grantnyenes3742]

This doesn’t stack up, real world example, my bmw 530d estate, weight 1800 kg, replaced by Tesla model Y, 1850kg…there is nothing in it..

[@hawkboy451]

Difference between Durex rubber and EV tyre rubber ? - None - the user gets F**ked in both cases.......

[@Cotictimmy]

Fascinating: I hadn't realise they're actually special reinforced EV tyres. I was assuming the extra cost was just down to extra wear. Only "a disgrace to the EV community" would disclose these dark secrets. 🤣

[@toad008]

They are not special tyres. And they last longer than on an ICE cars.

[@danwedderburn5550]

Oddly enough, i was visiting my local ATS yesterday. I got chatting to a fella who was in getting his winter wheels & tyres fitted to his 2019 Audi Etron. I was firing lots of questions at him & one was regarding tyre wear. He tried to tell me that the original tyres ,& his winter wheels & tyres had covered 40, 000 miles that the car had covered since new & had not yet bought tyres!!! (liar). He also told me how fantastic ev`s are as you have no oil changes. Yet i looked at his brake discs & they were absolutely knackered, with a 2mm lip on them. Big bill coming for him from Audi. I asked if he had any problems with it. He said yes ,trouble with the charging port. He had been into the local Audi dealership & they cant fix it. He was about to drive to Harrogate Audi tomorrow (100 miles away), in hope that they could fix it. Who on earth drives 100 miles to get there car fixed?

[@door2416]

Another hidden cost is that most people will have to finance the higher cost of the car. They then pretend that they will ever have a chance to make it up on the fuel savings. (NOT)

[@leeyoung9469]

Really impressed by the tyre fitter. Never given any thoughts to how skilled they are. Well done!

[@richrdlewis6278]

Skilled??

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

Bet the EVangelistos will be on saying "I get 30,000 miles out of my tyres"! 😂😂😂

[@DenisOKeeffe1234]

Yep,I have had a Nissan Leaf , two of them for over 8 years. I was an early adopter. The tyres have lasted 30,000 miles. Yep, they really have. Tyre wear is also linked to many variables. How you drive being the most important, keeping them at the right pressure.

[@ricco123tube]

Yes i do. I can prove it too if absolutely necessary. I have 30000 on the clock and the front are gonna be changed soon and the rears have over 4mil left. Not bad for a car that does 0-60 in 6.2 secs and doesn't weigh more than a 3 series BMW. Don't be fooled by this guy's nonsense.

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

​@@DenisOKeeffe1234 Knew it😂😂😂

[@BoilsonA]

Electric cars , the only people who drive them in Ireland are taxi drivers because they get €20,000 rebate ! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DiscoDesW]

So a high mileage use, that seems to fly in the face of what many say you can't do in a EV?

[@katiemmm347]

Most people do a fair bit of research before commiting to EV "like I did" and for myself its brilliant but I can understand at this point in time there not for everyone, do your research before commiting and if they are suited to your requirments you will love them.

[@jadyynstarlight9851]

The problem I see is that we will have mountains of used tires in a few years. Definitely good for the environment.

[@KIERANPOTTS-w1x]

Have a look at the Teslas destroying tyres due to poor allignment/geometry from the factory and the adjustable suspension.😂

[@gccooley]

Another hidden expense, high cost of accident repair with more expensive and harder to get body parts. Another plus EV's tend to be totaled out at a much higher rate than standard vehicles do to " the Batteries ". The gift that just keeps on taking.

[@justinr9753]

Hertz rental is pausing their EV buying because they cost too much to maintain.

[@onlyme972]

Did the tyre fitter notify the fire service before allowing your dodgem into the workshop.?😅

[@cp4512]

The tyres will wear faster as an EV is much heavier than a comparable ICE vehicle, and EVs produce more torque in general than ICE cars which have less power/torque at lower revs (where the majority of driving is done).

[@andrewmitchell8859]

People need to get together and start a class action against these rip off manufacturers ! 🤬

[@SDK2006b]

Why, because some click-bait KZbinr told you some stories 🤣

[@dangosypethau]

Well done for supporting local tyre outlet rather than main dealer. Main dealer get enough dough from you for the car and service etc without squeezing you for tyre profit too!

[@mikebreen2890]

A solution might be to not own a huge Porsche and then complain about costs.

[@zoltanrudolf]

Tyres are made out of plastic which in turn is made out of oil and oil is fossil fuel... It's all a bit silly, isn't it?

[@richardbartlett6932]

oil used to produce something is useful. Just setting fire to it is a waste. Apart from the 'just stop oil' nonsense , no one is advocating the complete removal of oil from society, EV need grease for bearings etc . Just from burning it unnecessarily in ICE vehicles.

[@jamesellis3535]

US Department of Justice are investigating Tesla after reports of range exaggeration and setting up a diversion team to cancel service appointments of owners who complained about the lack of range.

[@thedearjohnblog]

£667 for 2 tyres? Jeez! I’m in the very different budget market these days, but I just replaced all 4 tyres on my diesel Peugeot estate recently for half that cost and I get 16-18k miles from a budget set. That’s a seriously leaky bucket you’ve bought yourself there, Lee.

[@jamesr5722]

Everyone this is MacMaster, do not be like MacMaster, do not buy an EV 😅

[@daviesic]

Or at least buy one of the sensible EV’s, the Porsche is not the norm!

[@Chris-TOFF-rrrr]

Hi Lee, Thank you SO much for highlighting the pros and cons of electric vehicles. Your honesty and knowledge are like a breath of fresh air. Being as old as I am, reading can be a bit of a chore and misspelt words are almost a daily occurrence. In my confused state I could have easily been talked into buying a 'TOSSLA'. I'm glad I didn't - too many NOBS - sorry, KNOBS in them for my liking. It would take so long to start up the car, that my TOSSLA - sorry, TEMPER would EXPLODE. That is one thing that TOSSLAS and I have in common - FIERY tempers. Thanks again for explaining everything so precisely. After watching your channel I am FUELLING so much better.

[@markdonovan500]

You should do a list for people to ask the main dealer when they try to sell an EV, Tyres, insurance, depreciation, battery warranty, serving costs, did I miss any?

[@jonatkinson1971]

Simple. Just say I came to buy a petrol car. Why are you trying to sell me something I don't want?😉

[@seaplaneguy1]

$406/tire vs a Buick at $180/tire. 406/180=2.25 times more with 1/4th the miles. 2.25 x 4= 9 times MORE/mile. What a total joke!. EVs are unfit for purpose.

[@andyphillips7437]

Tyre....

[@seaplaneguy1]

Tire in USA...Tyre in UK.@@andyphillips7437

[@mikerm715]

EVs are clearly adding significantly to the pollution of the environment arising from tyre dust. After all where does the worn rubber end up one asks? It's patently not just about vehicle exhaust emissions! So, EVs are not as clean as some would have you believe.

[@davidgriffin2918]

I wonder where all the extra micro plastic pollution off the tires goes ?

[@neilrushworth5958]

Add to that the environmental impact of manufacturing more tyres and more rubber residue in the atmosphere and on roads .

[@MikeSmith-sh3ko]

The thing about ev wearing out tyres so quickly also effect the roads . There is going to be a lot of rubber being deposited on the roads that can effect the grip because rubber against rubber isn't so good as rubber against asphalt .

[@somecallmetim42]

Actually it's the opposite, race tracks get progressively faster over a race weekend as more rubber gets puts down (rubbering in) The issue with having more eclectic cars on the roads are more wear of the roads due the the extra weight and more particulate air pollution from the extra tyre wear.

[@hendongooner7383]

Can't wait for "Morag's" reply.

[@hendongooner7383]

Is Morag the EVangelists equivalent of a "Karen"? ;-)

[@ghunt9146]

If Morag is a Lady, as has been suggested, then Lee could be guilty of misgendering 😂.

[@adrianOrange]

I noticed the tyre label gave a C rating for economy. I'm surprised that EV specific tyres are rated so poorly in this category when range is one of the main concerns people have.

[@brianpuplett3279]

My EV tyre are A rated, B in the wet and 68db.

[@jmills1549]

£20 for a tyre Lee, but car had to pass it's mot,...... 8 yrs owned this diesel.... Bought for £100 still going strong, just an old mechanic that knows how to keep motoring costs down.

[@Oldcarnut63]

Keep the EV videos comeing 👍👍

[@davidviner4932]

Milkfloat eats tyres? Am I the only one thinking the 21st century is not what it was supposed to be when I was a kid in the 70s?

[@lloydmillership9682]

And I complain about £280 FOR 4 newbies on my kuga 😅😊

[@graemepeters5717]

The cost of replacing the tyres is TINY when compared to the rate of depreciation - which will be measured in thousands PER MONTH!!!

[@Crosshatch1212]

And building car parks ,installing chargers etc etc it’s a money grift for someone ,

[@chrisseward5368]

Interesting, especially as most pollution from vehicles now comes from tyre and brake dust. This suggests another misnomer about the Greenness of EVs

[@SurrealWorldNews]

Yes the child force labour in the Congo breathing in all that cobalt dust agree with you

[@ttsec3956]

To be fair just the devaluation alone makes them waaaaay more expensive

[@johnmorris8891]

There is another hidden cost nobody talks about and that is the per kilometre cost of EV battery replacement. For example if you require a complete battery replacement at 250,000 kilometres and it (conservatively) costs you $25,000 (I'm in Australia) that equates to 10 cents per kilometre. In that sense it is equal or dearer to run than an ICE car. Why don't you do a programme on that aspect of EV ownership.

[@georgebooth1634]

Lee mentioned recently that he had been quoted £40,000 if he damaged his battery and needed a new one..

[@sferg9582]

Looking at the tread depth of that brand new tyre (at the 2:42 mark), and it was almost to the wear bars before they were mounted. No wonder you're replacing them so fast, there's literally no tread depth to start with.

[@atedejong5620]

take also into account the soaring costs of insurance premiums for EV cars, I think 2022 to 2023 an increase of 74%

[@DiscoDesW]

"Think" or know?

[@atedejong5620]

@@DiscoDesW according to UK stats of car insurances

[@DiscoDesW]

@@atedejong5620 can you provide a searchable link where you saw this please?

[@rippenburn]

I'm not surprised you have to change them so often. They're thinner than the elastic on my neighbour's G-string, and he's a big lad.

[@stuartbrowning3074]

Out of interest my Macan S has just about finished off a set of 4 tyres, in 19,000 miles. I also drive it like Miss Daisy, it’s mostly used on shorter journeys. The fronts have a bit more central tread left, but are worn on the outside edges.

[@DwaynePipes]

Are you saving up for replacements?😢

[@stuartbrowning3074]

I’m not rushing to replace them, haha. My old Golf R32 also finished off a full set of tyres at 20,000 miles!

[@DwaynePipes]

@@stuartbrowning3074 😂

[@rubenleal4821]

I had a C-Max plug-in hybrid. The plug-in charge at home only gave me 20 miles. If I charged it at work, it would cost me $5... for a 20-mile drive. I got 32mpg. At $2.69/gallon back then(dang I miss that), it was cheaper to just use the gas hybrid. Having a hybrid, I learned a lot about all the negative aspects of an EV. As you just said, more $$ for tires. No spare, more $$ for towing. Roadside assistance doesn't carry spares. Tesla requires special tires only available from them. Get 2 flats out in the boonies, more $$ for towing. Imagine if thieves start stealing their tires. More weight due to batteries, more damage in accidents. Soon, more $$ for insurance. State taxes are being adjusted to compensate no fuel tax on full EVs. Mane full ICE vehicles can last 300k miles or more. EV batteries start failing less than 200k miles. An engine can be maintained to extend the life of the motor. You can't maintain EV batteries. EV batteries are NOT DIY friendly. Cost to replace? $8k to $20k. A heck of a lot more than a motor and trans. Spontaneous combustion while charging in the garage. Need I $ay more? What I'd like to see is natural gas motors driving electric drive motors, with a small DIY battery replacement for extra umph around hills.

[@routmaster38]

Where I live there is a shortage of ordinary auto electricians and absolutely no electronic trained EV mechanics.Note difficult to insure and expensive with many ferries aying no admittance.

[@richardbartlett6932]

a few years ago non std ev battery packs were unheard of and unavailable. Now several independents are making far superior packs for evs at a fraction of the cost from a manufacturer. Market forces dictate supply and demand.

[@MrGorpm]

More tyre wear = more particulates in the air that we have to breathe. Just one more negative environmental effect to go along with all the dangers to health caused by the heavy metals that need to be mined and processed to manufacture the batteries.

[@blick63able]

Ive a 944 turbo and get 30 k out of rear tyres , £113 for the pair ( 406 bhp 440 ftlbs torque) and 500 miles to a tank in a 6 minute fill up , its 37 years old lol 😅

[@fishinmalarkey9830]

How big the tank?

[@IDontWantAHandle101]

Wait til your first MOT. Those unused rear brakes we saw in the vid have been exposed to three years of road grime and because of regen braking have never touched the discs. If they are anything like 3 year old tesla ones they'll be seized solid. New calipers at three years and every other year after that. That'll raise the running costs a bit.

[@carbonsiliconnn]

Your tyres will be re-sold as part worn Lee. Another 5k left on them at least! 10k if you're a northerner

[@macrook1961]

Look on the bright side, you have just added 1.6% to the latest value of your car.

[@anthonydyer3939]

My quote for 4x Michelin pilot sport 4’s 235/45/R18 98Y is £995 from Tesla, or £229 permtyre from my local tyre company. After 26000 miles, that’s a cost of just over 3p per mile. So I’m spending more on Tyres per mile than I am on overnight home charging. My old vw golf went through two tyres after 30000 miles, and the next two at 50000 miles. So half the wear rate, and only £90 per tyre fully fitted.

[@richardbartlett6932]

but you are comparing two completely different tyres and sizes . Apples and oranges. Its not rocket science

[@TrueSkyl1n3]

@@richardbartlett6932 How are the completely different sizes? You know Golfs commonly come with 18’s too and the width isn’t massively different either.

[@anthonydyer3939]

@@TrueSkyl1n3 my Golf tyres were 225/45/R17. V rated. Not massively smaller in terms of tread width or circumference.

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

From this comment section, It looks like some people are not happy about you talking about these issues

[@barriewilliams4526]

Truth hurts!

[@eliz9369]

Good informative video. Great to see you supporting a smaller local tyre firm. Thank you MacM. Please keep them coming!

[@41istair]

The tread depth of new EV tyres is often less than their non-EV model. In the case of these Pirellis are you seeing 8mm vs 9mm? There is an excellent "Tyre Reviews" YT channel that is worth watching.

[@macca365]

HOW MUCH ! 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@g0fvt]

I am glad you covered this, I had asked for the tyres to be factored in a few times during/after the "challenge drive". Very roughly I would guess that the Porsche consumed as much expense in tyres alone as the BMW did in fuel. (Remember you have put some wear on the smaller front tyres too). Certainly that drive probably did £100 in tyre wear alone. It would be interesting to see if Geoff has receipts for tyres fitted to the BMW in the past, just to get a ballpark cost per mile. It is a performance car, it weighs as much as truck, you know that it is going to cost you somewhere....

[@bendenisereedy7865]

My neighbour's new Volvo EV weighs A TON more than my Passat diesel. This is not just the battery but also the stronger chassis and wheels & tyres needed for the extra weight. It simply cannot make sense to be carrying all that extra weight around, no matter how the car is propelled. I can cover almost 1000 miles in my Passat on one tank of diesel at a cost of around 19 pence a mile. There's no contest and my brother who's a senior engineer at an EV manufacturer in California says the writing is on the wall fir EVs. He reckons the only way out of this mess is hydrogen fuel cells.

[@SouthpawDavey]

They stopped tax breaks on EVs here in Switzerland now. They know you know.

[@AnthonyValentine-vm1yc]

Norway is also pondering cost of the massive tax breaks, no toll charges etc, it provided. Loss of tax revunue for public tpt & more cars on the roads, oops!

[@starpawsy]

Given the already high costs of EVs, I would say that the incremnetal costs of tyres is going to be the least of your problems.

[@tethealey2955]

11000 miles from a tyre unbelievable, I can only dream of such a high mileage from a tyre, I'm getting a maximum of 3000 miles from my motorcycle rear tyre.

[@Ronick-Q-46]

Must be an EV 😂🤣

[@neilgayleard3842]

Lee, what about the cost of the food and drink people have waiting for cars to charge. Even if you are not doing lots of long trips it must add up.

[@stocksretreat123]

and the waist line!

[@jamiewilkinson9884]

More tyres mean worse for the environment.

[@michaelmckeary1165]

I know a taxi driver with one and it goes through tyres like no tomorrow. He was saying this EV nonsense is set up by tyre companies worldwide. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@garywebster6453]

Any surprises seeing how taxi drivers drive.

[@TrevsTravelsByNarrowboat]

Nobody also talks about all the pollution caused by tyre wear going into the atmosphere.

[@Marcotra]

The polluting ones are the breaks, which you use much less in EVs, wearing tires don't produce dangerous little molecules like pm 10 or 2.5, they usually remain on the ground

[@jungleboy1]

£667 on tyres? Holy smokes now i'm paranoid when my next tyres are due a change.

[@ady326d]

Now we know why the back end had a twitch on your road trip😂😂

[@philbateson7966]

So 2-3 times more tyres = 2-3 times more rubber particles entering the environment i. e... into the air, soil and water systems. Thats REALLY environmentally friendly! 🤔🤔🤔

[@Aspen5.7]

Not to mention the environmental cost of actually making the tires.

[@MrDead1975]

I thought EV tyres were low rolling resistance to improve range not increase grip. not very green either going through tyres like smarties and all the particulates the wear will throw out into the air

[@tridentmusic5570]

Glad They are competent with those jacks. Otherwise they MAY have been some very INCENDIARY remarks..........Brave guys !

[@David-fj5lz]

I’m looking forward to the power cuts and the “burning up of your rubber” and talk about the MOT as a new danger, will these tyres depth have to be changed? The actual MOT station will have to be empty of other car now to comply with those new parking regulations?😊

[@dpose6525]

Did I mention EVs are powered by coal..

[@ianmoss20102010]

my EV is powered by my solar panels on my roof

[@0Aus]

​@@ianmoss20102010wow you must have a massive array & only ever charge during the day. 😂

[@davetate9814]

Interesting article, there is some concern about tyre polution, the Evangelists will never talk about that.

[@hawkboy451]

Burning some rubber is expensive these days, especially in Luton....

[@jim_herd]

What’s the equivalent cost for four tyres for a Porsche Panamera?

[@gutsngorrrr]

It's not just the monetary cost, but it is yet another environmental issue because of the increase in rubber particles getting into the environment.

[@allencrider]

Oh look! It's the REAL TRUTH about facts!!!

[@horseathalt7308]

Shhhhh....you tube will delete your comments for revealing that fact!

[@HarryLime49]

The tyres are still cheaper than the depreciation.

[@dublodave7860]

Imperial Collage did a study into EV tyre wear earlier this year and their report came to this conclusion; - “Tyre wear particles pollute the environment, the air we breathe, the water run-off from roads and has compounding effects on waterways and agriculture. Even if all our vehicles eventually become powered by electricity instead of fossil fuels, we will still have harmful pollution from vehicles because of tyre wear." - So much for EV's being good for the environment!

[@fishmaster1960]

Tyres are an even bigger environmental problem than emissions. Almost 2,000 times more particle pollution is produced by tyre wear than is pumped out of the exhausts of modern cars, tests have shown. When comparing cars we need to look at the total environmental impact not just the bit we like which is what some people with electric cars are doing.

[@boodew-dp5jn]

That's why my new electric tire will solve all these problems. EVtyre are totally sustainable. Paving the future for the Greta Karen's of the world.