The CroMags - L'Amour, Brooklyn, NY 11/22/86

[@cyt1312]

bloodclot, harley, parris, mackie, doug: thank you for contributing to the 14 year old me. that feeling will never go away

[@LaserGadgets]

Quality is not even bad for 86!!

[@kingfillins4117]

Probably recorded to high quality tape with a good quality lens.

[@Grandmastercraig]

I was there. Drove up from PA had the greatest time. Even got my nose bloodied in the pit. Great show seems like an eternity ago. 31 years. wow.

[@CaptainSensibleIII]

you're an idiot

[@davidfriend1919]

The way you go right from had the greatest time to even got my noise bloodied it begs the question , did you want to get your noise bloodied ? it's a little odd how you phrased that is all . I would think that is just not thought out how that would sound , but I felt compelled to ask .

[@skinheadyouth66]

​@@davidfriend1919huh ?

[@davidfriend1919]

@@skinheadyouth66 Oh hello skinhead666 , yes umm ok and so the question I posed to Gramdmastercraig was something akin to ... did you want to get your nose smacked in the pit ? ... and the reason I asked is because it is implied in the grammar that he used , like when he says drove up from PA and even got my nose blooded in the pit !!! it was awesome ... does this not sound like getting his nose smacked was like the icing on the cake of a Wonderfull evening ? ... or what , you make the call sir ... thx for the reply , n'shit dog ...

[@davidfriend1919]

P.s. I appreciate the interest in my comment . And so again I await your comment reply ... and of course let me know if I can be of any further assistance in clearing up this fascinating conversation .. more than happy to help ... sincerely , DF

[@RealEstateAgentSF]

Fucking incredible. Saw this show in 86 in Oakland. They opened for GBH. Mind was blown at 16.

[@jefffranzen6891]

I was literally at the same show @ Cabaret Metro in Chicago. I was 15. GBH with Cro Mags and local Chicago legends Lost Cause. One of the best shows ever. Still have the flyer!

[@dvlndskz8633]

The show in the Bay Area .was actually in Berkeley. The Venue was the Legendary Ruthies inn. There was a a small riot that escalated after the local street gang from the neighborhood decided to start 43:50 a fight with a group of punk rock kids outside the place. By the time Cops arrived it was total chaos. The place went into lockdown . GBH finished the show with Colin and the whole place screaming out Drug party 526. That night was forever cemented in Punk rock , Hardcore , Crossover History. I still have my “age of choral “ album that a young John Joseph and Harley Flanagan wher selling out of the back of a car the band was traveling in . After 37 yrs . This is how I remember it . Apologies in advance if I’m off a little on something….

[@amoazed]

Same experience but saw them at Traxx in Detroit in this tour.

[@davidfriend1919]

it is interesting because my mind was blown too , at a Journey concert in 85 , and boy wow it was like the best blow ever ...

[@cameo95]

I was there. Wildest night and mosh pit I've ever seen. For such underground and short lived band, they rocked the house like they were Slayer.

[@ceevishus4130]

damn they were so young and hyper! that Bad Brains influence shines brightly.. They had that PMA

[@skinheadyouth66]

Bad brains Motorhead

[@GarrettGrant-vg1im]

Man this is the CRO-MAGS, Harley is just fuckin given'er. too bad they cant put shit aside.

[@louiscsanko3673]

This is great, 34 years ago!!! This is NYHC HISTORY and THE CRO MAGS are the BEST 🤘🤘

[@Thought_Police]

Amazing how everyone in attendance that night was able to comment here

[@JerryB-i5i]

I went to every show at L'Amour!

[@Ghoulische]

@@JerryB-i5iWere/are you into Type O Negative? If so, how many times did you see them? I heard that Carnivore/Type O were L’Amour house bands

[@JakeIncarnate]

lol

[@SxSxG666]

Harley really had his own bass sound. Very recognizable!

[@skinheadyouth66]

Lemmy influence

[@glasgowdmon]

For 86', how good is the quality?!

[@danmarshall5895]

Pretty damn good for 34 year old VHS

[@xxxwhoknowsxxx]

Superb

[@zew1414]

Wow no kidding!

[@NotAlrightSpider]

Tremendous!

[@omnicromagnon3793]

age of aquarell

[@DaveAnchovies]

00:00 Love Theme to A Clockwork Orange 02:15 Intro 04:05 We Gotta Know 06:15 (James is Here) 06:40 World Peace 10:45 Malfunction 15:05 Street Justice 16:32 Survival of the Streets 17:40 Seekers of the Truth 22:22 24:55 Hard Times 26:45 29:10 Don't Tread On Me 31:05 37:30 Signs of the Times

[@chano7053]

The last song after "Sign Of The Times" is "Crush The Demoniac", included on their second LP, "Best Wishes".

[@DaveAnchovies]

@@chano7053 I'm an Age of Quarrel/Before the Quarrel and out fan. They transcended my dislike of a lot of nyhc. Too mach, tough guy ...but this is lightning in a bottle

[@saraivatoledo1842]

@@chano7053 Speak of which , are you acquainted with Poison Ruin ? " Crush the demoniac " sounds like the type of riffing the latter would come up with .

[@postlex]

08:50 Show You No Mercy // 23:03 It’s the Limit // 26:45 By Myself // 31:35 Do Unto Others // 33:20 Life Of My Own //

[@caryncbreeef1969]

The AOQ cassette was the best. Recorded in VA. Too bad mine got atolen but at least I played it 10k times. Saw them from thwir 1 or 2nd show. Think this might have been one of the last times. Exactly lighting in a 40

[@playinsincepong1]

Aside Guns and Roses I have never seen a band ride the success of one great album more than the CroMags. I love the CroMags, I know Bloodclot personally but I think he would even agree.

[@postlex]

Avraham Greenhut And like GnR they made great albums after that

[@daniellemalan8832]

hilarious comparison......Cunts n' Roses? Really?? LOL

[@postlex]

Danielle Malan | Same era, somewhat similar backgrounds, top of their game, talented and tormented.

[@noneofyourbusiness1114]

Honestly I think every cro mags album is good with their own vibes. Age of quarrel tho is a god tier album along with early bad brains, Black flag, negative approach, ect

[@DaveAnchovies]

@@noneofyourbusiness1114 come on...Before The Quarrel and best not compare anything to the non-metal era. i lived 6 hours away and nyhc turned me off...but not the CroMags first incarnation. i loved Reagan Youth, Testors...but the macho vibe turned me off. first CroMags was the biggest exception. like Boston and Jerrys Kids. But the macho sxe shit was not for me. i know boston had great bands, but the big names and muscles wasnt anything like texas,midwestern and west coast bands i could relate to. just looking, it was too much to last. and thats a shame.

[@vauxspirit1]

Brilliant, saw the Cro mags at Christmas on earth at Leeds . Still one of my favourite bands . Made yet another night in lockdown enjoyable 👍

[@stephenowens3687]

Me too! First time I'd seen a hardcore band! Blew the other bands away as I remember!

[@thedigitalrepository9121]

Oh man, JJ stumbles back and falls and then bobbles the mic. Nice save though. This is the oldest footage I've ever seen. I think I heard Age of... either this year or in '87. It was right around when it came out. My old guitarist showed them to me. I was into thrash and speed punk at the time. I remember him telling me, you gotta hear this record I just picked up. I asked, is it fast??. He said, no man but it kicks ass. I've loved it ever since. This was the beginning of my listening to hardcore. Didn't get to see them until '91 at the Last Thrash Bash. Back then long hairs weren't overly welcome at hardcore shows unless you were known and I didn't know anybody until much later. It's great seeing footage this old.

[@crooked-halo]

Cool story - I was also into thrash and plain old metal. I saw an ad for a Black Flag album in some metal mag which said; "A Black Flag song is heavy." I wondered if it was fast, though. Well a week or two later Black Flag was playing in San Antonio & I went to the gig because of that ad. I was converted to punk & hardcore that night. Few months later Cro Mags came to town touring Age Of Quarrel. One of the best shows I've been to, even though they were opening up for some metal band, maybe Anthrax?

[@neckbone3943]

I got to see them in Miami... not sure if the year but thinking 89 or 90. Harley was on vocals so it was after JJ left. Still a great show but would have liked it better with JJ. Cameo theater. I had a mo hawk at the time. 6 inch blade. Good fucking times!!!

[@lookhere8800]

Woodstock thanks a lot. .. Been 30 years. Was hoping someone got these shows. your the man...D.H...

[@jlohmann13]

The pioneering of the music that needed to be communicated at that time with the energy and intelligence for the fans is unmatched until this very day!

[@TomTreeMan]

John J. Sporting the (new in 86) Destruction Infernal Overkill Shirt. Tormentor (My Fav On That Album)

[@sergioardon4769]

TomTreeMan i think that’s actually a Devastation shirt, Violent Termination. I found one on TShirtSlayer and I think it’s the shirt he’s wearing here

[@danzignacio]

devastation shirt

[@Oi325]

@@sergioardon4769 devastation is amazing I caught them in 2013! They were under the name idolatry!

[@badmouserising9859]

Yeah man I like BESTIAL INVASION \M/

[@thomasackerly2410]

Must had awesome camera back then. GD old days .., Cro -Mags at it finest

[@tradewinds2319]

I bought this album not knowing what to expect...'The Age of Quarrel'...

[@louiscsanko3673]

The "AGE OF QUARREL " is one of the GREATEST ALBUMS EVER MADE BY ANY GENRE OF MUSIC🤘🤘

[@mrveritas700]

@@louiscsanko3673 its a classic, that's for sure...

[@DaveAnchovies]

@@louiscsanko3673 Before the Quarrel is equally essential...its missing key songs, but the production smokes the proper lp, especially bass guitar sound

[@JoeBowler-r9n]

​@@mrveritas700🤘🤘🤘🤘💯

[@JoeBowler-r9n]

​@@DaveAnchovies🤘🤘🤘🤘💯

[@chawnslopoke2619]

First time I saw em live was this tour, they toured with Destruction best riot ever. Punks and skins vs hair farmers!!

[@carystorm1863]

Also saw this tour in chicago @ cabaret Metro opened for Venom.

[@markjones7185]

NOTHING LIKE CRO-MAGS!

[@Yourweakminds]

Saw them at the Xmas in earth bash in 87- megadeth, overkill, kreator, nuclear assault, virus, laaz rockit, voivod (didn’t show up ) - and cromags. Didn’t know who they were - BEST OF THE DAY. HariKrishna high kicks as warmups! , is what I remember most. Incredible show.

[@ornamentalyouth]

always thought it was so ironic how parris was always in the background, looking like the only person you'd trust around your daughter on the stage, yet he's the one who's ultimately responsible for this epic music.

[@thomasackerly2410]

Perfect concert

[@totalswabby4217]

I was there. Great show

[@markcourtney2205]

Man the mags kickin ass..would have been a great time to have been in NYC with the hardcore crossover bands in affect etc..Harley and John going off!.

[@hunterpinkston7712]

"this goes out to my man James out there... from Metallica!"

[@TomTreeMan]

Hunter Pinkston he was at the show! Lol

[@kaihunlu2345]

I was there, James was with Billy Milano [singer SOD] was his escort, and Milano was acting all cool and shit about it. Milano getting him a drink, buying him a shirt, and on and on and on.

[@Oi325]

@@kaihunlu2345 cool as in fake or as in check it out?

[@kaihunlu2345]

@@Oi325 Cool as in Milano was always in with the big time players. I never minded Milano but that night he was trying too hard. Hetfield was real laid back and liked the show. He was a nice guy.

[@jjp_nl]

Must have been a weird time for Jaymz.....at this point metallica had just come back from Japan, after the first few gigs with Jason Newkid, after losing Cliff in that bus crash

[@spineboy]

L'Amour was where all the metal bands would play, and the local metal heads used to get pissed when HC bands started playing there.

[@skinheadyouth66]

Lots of fights

[@jlohmann13]

Saw them at Rock Hotel on Jane Street with Discharge from England and Agnostic Front. Engraved into my brain FOREVER!

[@silverblack5475]

I was there, I was there just about every Saturday back then

[@TomTreeMan]

silver black I was occasional, I worked at City Gardens In Trenton, New Joisey, but mainly every Friday and Sunday. Whiplash Bloodlust and Nuclear Assault, Celtic Frost n Sheer Terror, gimme an OOOH!

[@ras124]

DUUUUHHH

[@kristyndodge9238]

I saw The Cro-Mags ✨⚡at Blondie's in Detroit! 🔥🧨⚡⚡🙋⚡✨

[@matthewpietryga7854]

I was at that show too!!!

[@kristyndodge9238]

@@matthewpietryga7854 🙋

[@scotti11170]

Have to return to this now and then. Cro-mags touring with GBH- C Club Milwaukee, WI 86 or 87. Killer.

[@noneofyourbusiness1114]

That had to have been a scary show haha metalheads, hxc kids, and crusties stomping the fuck out of each other.

[@jefffranzen6891]

86. They played in Chicago at the Metro the next night with Lost Cause. Was at both shows!

[@nathanbiggerstaff5063]

It's a shame harley flannigan and john Joseph couldn't reconcile they made beautiful music together

[@ignacemarchoul9270]

Ego's are a shame ...

[@ignacemarchoul9270]

@@bigalbigs1 if you want to know the "real"story , it's on KZbin somewhere ,...I'm not giving the fault to somebody...ego's destroy a lot ...👍

[@louiscsanko3673]

@@ignacemarchoul9270 Their are now 2 versions of THE MAGS, THE CRO MAGS [ HARLEY'S ] & THE CRO MAGS [ JM] JOHN & MACKIE'S] ACCORDING TO THE MEDIA, BOTH GROUPS AGREED TO THIS!!! I DO NOT KNOW IF PARRIS AND DOUG ARE IN EITHER OF THESE [" NEWER"] VERSIONS OF [ THE CRO MAGS?] ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THIS AWESOME SHOW IS TRULY THE CRO MAGS, [ DOUG, JOHN, HARLEY, PARRIS, AND MACKIE]🤘🤘

[@noneofyourbusiness1114]

@@louiscsanko3673 true plus harleys version as rocky from ST and jj has aj from leeway. A LOT of talent in both versions.

[@Oi325]

I prefer John Joseph on vocals, Harley on his bass but i do like Best Wishes....

[@mikaellugo4146]

JJ looking like a henchman for an 80s super villain 💪

[@robertandersen6338]

I was at this show believe they opened for king diamond?...amazing times

[@caledoniadrumstudio3280]

Fucking brilliant...was then, and still is.

[@blastedratllc3844]

Damn almost 40 years and still rockin!

[@DiamorphineDeath]

Cracks me up how out of place Paris always looks visually around the rest of the band

[@DaveAnchovies]

like he didnt hang out doing push ups and curls eating sprouts.

[@skinheadyouth66]

He's the best musician in the band lol

[@ADVJunkie]

Saw them @ City Gardens it was an awesome show

[@n.o.t8521]

motorhead+cro-mags tour 1986

[@gobblegobble831]

Seekers of the Truth is so fucking cool in this set. God damn that song goes from 10 to 11 here

[@yonahroth6501]

thank you! saw them at Santa Monica Civic opening for Motorhead on this tour, great gig. My bud Larry and I hadn't heard of them yet and I recall how we looked at each other and said these guys are really really good...

[@caryncbreeef1969]

I remember this show

[@giacomoantonicello2970]

cromags during there peak what a show? I call this the consolidation years metal and punk hardcore merging 1986.A tough new york crowd , Enjoyed the gig.

[@sonictemple4287]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

[@JimBTannenbaum]

Chef’s kiss at the clockwork orange walk on tunes

[@danmarshall5895]

Baby Bloodclot with the very 80's shorts.

[@nektariosg4310]

I miss these days of the scene. It was just so alive and pure. I felt a genuine shift in the fall of 91. I don't know what it was but it seemed as though everything had deflated. So many friends departed the hardcore scene for grunge. At least we have these amazing videos.

[@kozagong]

how the fuck would someone be so confused about who they are that they jump from HC to grunge without skipping a beat

[@nektariosg4310]

@@kozagong Right? I never understood it!

[@spongebitchbobface]

Though I will always be eternally grateful to grunge for killing hair metal, nothing within the grunge scene matched the ferocity of Cro-Mags.

[@bleeone]

This is an OG blast from the fkn rock capitol of Brooklyn. These motherfkers terrified my skinny 15 yr old ass and the memories are real. Sick. Straight up murderers.

[@skinheadyouth66]

​@@kozagonglmfao 🤣

[@willk.illyouii5583]

Saw em with "Poison Idea" in the late 80's!!!

[@thomdrinkstomuch3209]

This is an amazing video, musta been a better show if you were there ......the pit is always the best place to be at these kind of shows ....damn I'm old....

[@DaveAnchovies]

never enjoyed "the pit bullshit" and stagedivers...i went to watch bands, not get bloody. Early Butthole Surfers was my thing, but this is the band in its true form...any fan MUST track down Before The Quarrel...better sound, some different songs...not as strong as Age, but the sound is way tougher

[@skinheadyouth66]

​@@DaveAnchoviesthe demo is better yes

[@lynnpehrson8826]

How many hardcore/metal bands have used a clockwork orange opening music since then

[@jasondankenbring1710]

Hopefully none, because it fucking sucked.

[@joejones1039]

The Adicts from England have had it for donkies years...!!

[@louiscsanko3673]

I was in SCOTLAND in 1977, I was 10 years old and the punk ROCK DUDES had mohawks and razir blades pierced TO their noses, I was only listening TO EARLY stuff from AC/DC, JUDAS PRIEST etc. . I also had RAMONES ALBUM THAT WAS YELLOW VINYL AND MY AUNT BOUGHT IT OVER THEIR, [ IF I HAD IT MINT, IT WOULD BE $$$$] I also had listened to THE SEX PISTOLS, but my knowledge of the history of punk/ hardcore/ metal/ was non existent at 10 years of age!!! People feared those PUNK ROCK DUDES in the streets of GLASGOW IN 1977, to the best of my knowledge at 10 years of age.

[@thismothafuckasaid7304]

And the ,"Escape from New York" movie theme by nyhc bands too

[@colonelkilling2425]

Yeah! This is the shit!! Malfunction is such an angry, pissed off song. I love it!!!

[@robcosh9993]

Just saw CroMags at '77 Montreal.. I know the lineup is different now but holy crap - amazing.

[@DanGenia]

I have seen a lot of versions of this band and the only one that can play these songs properly is Parris Mayhew

[@colonelkilling2425]

This was likely the ONLY camera in the building. Think about that.

[@stephenpasinella1585]

KINGS👑

[@estebanmortis7400]

Nice i was there

[@neckbone3943]

Playlist to my life

[@JohnDoe-en9ch]

Those first two chords is all it took. Somebody got an elbow to the teeth.

[@jamesesmond4058]

No SHIT!!!! AHHH. THE BEST. HARDCORE SHOW. I EVER SAW....AHHnxt to some agnoatic frnt gigs.......BUT. YEAH THE BEST!!!

[@jamesesmond4058]

Oh. Shrt. Excuse. Me. THNX. FOR POSTING

[@louielouie3900]

Just perfect

[@triggerskull]

This is from ‘86? Looks and feels like 2000.

[@colonelkilling2425]

MAAALLLL-Function!

[@k-hardcore596]

8:17 ???

[@coolbro6453]

world peace

[@danmarshall5895]

LOL nobody's perfect

[@willk.illyouii5583]

I can definitely detect a "FEAR" ( the band) influence !

[@S-Theo]

I detect motorhead

[@skinheadyouth66]

scary pit that day

[@emilio8822]

Type o ruled Brooklyn 🎉

[@troytromwell]

Sounds great but Im surprised someone hasn't taken it and done an upgrade on it. Whatever though just crank it!!

[@neckbone3943]

Start to finish. The way it should be.

[@S-Theo]

19:35 they play '70s hard rock

[@behindthacrookedcross]

Parris fuckin Mayhew

[@samuelstoner1838]

Harley's band is tearing it up. 🤪

[@gypsydildopunks7083]

I saw Mackie play with Bad Brains in the mid 90s, closest I came to seeing Cromags. Rise tour with Prong and Static X. Also saw the HR Bad Brains show where he nailed down a skinhead with bottom end of a mic stand and was arrested. They weren't racist skins but they still wanted to beat him up.

[@bolid991]

When they still use to sound like the US version of Discharge. Brutal stuff.

[@S-Theo]

Its not even close to Discharge . These song have hard rock structure like faster version of Motorhead.

[@dcxxx6850]

Heaviest band from NYC

[@Peterbiltandjelly]

8:17 flawless

[@martinlapadu1678]

9:30 jj stage

[@drewmartin9502]

Present.

[@crnahronika7724]

Is mackie on drums? i need some early cro mags show with him on drums

[@S-Theo]

No

[@christopherrisucci7025]

I was at this show…

[@gustavnovak]

The "real" deal ! 🖖👍🤙🏻❤📢🎼🎵🎶🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸

[@drheim1]

pretty intense

[@greatmuta2]

So what was the beef with Paul Bearer about? Harley dedicates seekers of the truth to him. Was there even any beef or was he just legit shouting him out lol

[@louiscsanko3673]

I first thought you meant Paul Bearer who managed the Undertaker in WWF lol😂😂😂 Not sure if it was a diss or a Shout out to Paul Bearer of SHEER TERROR?,

[@victororihuela7701]

They don’t make them like they used too

[@shawnwhalen8314]

Fucking Classic!

[@hankgege2199]

What tshirt is John wearing?

[@Justin88800]

Devastation. Great thrash band from TX. Idolatry is their best album.

[@nrajdil]

Good audio

[@micheldomane3463]

classikssssss

[@97warlock]

singer sounds like Billy Millano from SOD

[@robertneusch]

Isn't the intro from scarface?

[@chaktsallo2165]

It's a clockwork orange

[@duckbrew]

Was JJ on them devil drugs still at this point?

[@ericwelteroth4760]

Anybody know why JJ has a bandage on his back?

[@WoodstockBuddha]

He just got a tattoo….

[@spyowns]

Hair transplant

[@earlpipe9713]

Ah, a fellow truth seeker😅

[@hansw8472]

is this mackie on drums?

[@starkfist3664]

Know this is an old comment, but I'm pretty sure that's Pete Hines. Later played on the fantastic and overlooked Handsome album. Pete from Cro Mags, Tom Capone from Quicksand, Peter Mengede from Helmet, Jeremy Chatelain from Iceburn, and Eddie Nappi from parts unknown. If you don't know it, do yourself a favor.

[@everready1805]

You are right, it's not mackie.

[@MrProfitsOFDoom]

What's the intro?

[@pucksters4566]

Clockwork Orange

[@dieterreger3626]

We Gotta Know World Peace Show You No Mercy Malfunction Street Justice Survival of the Streets Seekers of the Truth It´s the Limit Hard Times By Myself Don´t Tread on Me Do Unto Others Life of My Own Signs of the Times Crush the Demoniac

[@paulandrew4820]

no mack... no mags

[@niagrapoosy6086]

15:08 yum

[@yurysakhr6935]

ouro

[@roughestgunark845]

Fuuuuuuuuuuck.