The Crucifixion Dilemma That DESTROYS Islam

[@TestifyApologetics]

"But Testify, you can't just assume the New Testament is reliable. Muslims say it's corrupted!" A.) I didn't just assume anything. I gave solid reasons to trust that Jesus really predicted his death and resurrection accurately. B.) Guys, my channel is like one big, ongoing series. Every video builds on the last. I've got a ton of reasons why you can trust the text. Check out my playlists on undesigned coincidences and how history backs the Bible to get all the details. EDIT: Here's my response to Farhan Ahmed Zia who clearly speeds past pinned comments isjesusalive.com/farhan-ahmed-zia-ignores-the-point-entirely/

[@TheAutisticApologist]

You can't "assume." What you can do is build an airtight case using solid evidence to show that it hasn't been. Which is what you've been doing in video after video. If they don't want to see the evidence that the text of the New Testament is 99.5% certain and corroborated by multiple evidences, both internal and external, that's on them. But they can't cry to you that there's no evidence when you've been laying it out week after week.

[@maleknaser3267]

Saying that quran is false by giving verses that jesus predicte his death from scriptures that we do not even know exactly who wrote it except mensioning thier names is wild + wrote it after long time of jesus death. If you want to say the quran is false bring contradiction or somthing false in it not using unknown scriptures to say the quran is false !!

[@schoolaccount-g6z]

@maleknaser3267 the evidence points to the scriptures being written by who they say they were, atleast the Gospels. Also the Quran says that the Bible atleast used to be the infallible word of Allah, but it got corrupted. The problem is that we have really old copies of the Bible and they all match the Bible we have now.

[@maleknaser3267]

@@schoolaccount-g6z there is no any proof for what you say. Give me evidance do not tell me we had old copes and that is it.

[@maleknaser3267]

@@schoolaccount-g6z i believe on the bible that send to jesus in that time, Now it have been corrupted and you can know that by your self even in your books saying that there is some of it is lose and some had wrote in the way writer want.

[@pgpython]

Christians: Jesus died by crucification Jews: he died by crucification but wasn't God Romans: we crucified him under pontius pilate Muslims over 600 years later: some overly elaborate conspiracy theory that makes no sense

[@Theophoruz]

Truth

[@lucasduran5400]

Jesus was not killed he lay HIS LIFE

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Yep kinda?

[@desmonides]

Revelations 2:9/3:9 Deuteronomy 28

[@MelecioRogerJr]

A way.

[@youravantgarde]

Jesus would never ask someone to be killed in his place.

[@porcine83]

Of course not, He came to die as the perfect sacrifice for sin, not to satisfy the Jewish/Roman authorities blood lust.

[@Zeph504]

One thing I will never understand. Why Jesus need to be killed so his follower will not suffer? If you are the god can't you just, you know don't punish them at the first place. Why need to kill yourself when you yourself is a god...

[@mershea]

​@@Zeph504because christianty is a mixed and weird religion, in islam you ask god to forgive you and make towbah and simple as that, no need to go kill your own son

[@adrianmego7709]

@@Zeph504I think the reason why he chose to do it this way is because God is a just God. He shows us that sin is separation from Him, and that death is the only consequence of sin. But Jesus being sinless undid our deserved death.

[@davidg4789]

​@@Zeph504Someone must pay the price for sin, unless God is not Just, which He is, He took the punishment among Himself for us.

[@Theophoruz]

Islam is definitely the biggest "Trust me bro" in history when it comes to this

[@NguyenZander]

bro just copied the top comment from last video

[@TacoTuesday4]

@@NguyenZander Doesn't change that it is still a true statement.

[@harrywitney3501]

Not even just this, Muhammad came over 500 years after Jesus and then feels he is credible to talk about Jesus' life. I think i'll believe the apostles who were actually with Jesus and saw him die on the cross and rise again 3 days later, not some random guy (Muhammad) not even mentioned in the Bible who did some awful things. Islam's 'god' and the true living God of the Bible are not the same btw. Jesus is the only way to the Father, there is no other way. Do not reject Jesus, place your faith in Him.

[@NguyenZander]

@@TacoTuesday4 he still copied it. If you made, say a painting, and I copied it and got a lot of money from it, wouldn’t you be mad? Wouldn’t other people who didn’t know it was copied be mad because they paid to see stolen artwork? It’s still good art, but is nonetheless stolen. Likewise the comment is still truth, but stolen.

[@Theophoruz]

@@harrywitney3501 Amen bro, though I gotta say that Muslims have been real quiet since this video dropped.

[@garrettobrien5197]

Islam makes no sense to me because hypothetically... Someone is found murdered in the middle of the road, who would you as the detective ask to figure out what happened, the eye witnesses, or some guy 600 years in the future?

[@stressreliever9751]

And not mention crucifixion had multiple sources

[@garrettobrien5197]

@@stressreliever9751 yea and also the Roman’s have actual proof of Jesus being alive and his crucifixion. There’s so many sources

[@angelotrippy]

Islam is a "trust me bro" and you be punished or else kinda thing also u be killed if u leave it....

[@SnowLeopard-lt1vf]

If the guy 600 years in the future was receiving revelation from an all knowing God, then his testimony is greater because God is above any eye witness, especially a Human eye witness who is can either be a liar or someone who misinterpreted what he saw.

[@stressreliever9751]

@@SnowLeopard-lt1vf which there is less proof of than the bible testimonies

[@Truck_Kun_Driver]

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in both religions, but if you looking at this event as a historical story, why would you trust some random dude in arab lands 600 years later when there are literally eye witnesses of said event?

[@Truth21a619]

Who were the eyewitnesses the wrote about the event of the crucifixion?

[@TestifyApologetics]

John...

[@Truth21a619]

@@TestifyApologetics Show me we’re the Author of the Gospel of John claimed to be John son of Zebedee or an eyewitness.

[@Squatplug1549]

@@Truth21a619 “This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true.” ‭‭John‬ ‭21‬:‭24 in reference and context to verses about the Beloved Disciple. If we go back to the record of the crucifixion, it clearly shows the Beloved Disciple at the foot of the cross, thus, the author witnessed the crucifixion.

[@Truth21a619]

@@Squatplug1549 Claiming John 21:24 proves authorship because it mentions the beloved disciple is laughable. The Gospel doesn’t name its author, making it anonymous. “We know that his testimony is true” is just community self-promotion, not evidence. That doesn’t confirm the author was an eyewitness. The text has been edited and reflects collective memory, not direct observation. This passage doesn’t prove anything about who wrote it or if they were there.

[@jarlbalgruuf7701]

I remember the bible warning to beware of false prophets

[@unclerukmer]

Jesus is pretty clear about it.

[@trafalgarq805]

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" - Galatians 1:8, Muslims believe the Angel Gabriel gave Muhammad the words of the Quran

[@shinki451-n8n]

@@trafalgarq805 i'm not a christian but pretty sure that's just one of muhammad's many schizo sessions

[@GolAcheron-fc4ug]

@@trafalgarq805 pretty sure Muhammad described him as an angel of light, correct me if i’m wrong. Isn’t that exactly the description of satan when he tries to deceive humans from his true identity?

[@musaddiqueh6248]

@GolAcheron-fc4ug No. You might be confusing the story of the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel)

[@portsidedyldo2661]

Notice how in the 10 commandments it says to not bear false witness? Which is an interesting way to say to not lie but the “Jesus was replaced on the cross” is the literal definition of false witnessing

[@YitroBenAvraham]

I’m not defending Islam because it’s also fake, but your own book has MULTIPLE DIFFERING ACCOUNTS of the event. So… ummm… like the authors don’t even agree on what happened. That’s… inconvenient

[@JesseltonGaming]

@@YitroBenAvraham hmm any examples?

[@YitroBenAvraham]

@@JesseltonGaming The entire crucifixion and resurrection accounts. They don’t match up. Like… important details are different. The missionaries explain this by saying “oh, it’s like an eye witness to a car accident… they sometimes see the same thing differently” but that doesn’t make sense in this case. They acknowledge the contradictions and try to explain them away as minor details, but they can only get away with it because 99% don’t actually read the books. Read it for yourself and decide.

[@portsidedyldo2661]

@@YitroBenAvraham this has already been proven wrong. If ur talking about Jesus’s last words on the cross or who went to his tomb then I suggest you look deeper into the story. With Jesus’s last words only one book says his last words is “it is finished” while another book says “forgive them father for they know not what they do. And then he gave out a loud cry and breathed his last” etc so what was the loud cry? And did the book claim that was his last words? Or was that the last of his words that the book recorded? With “who discovered Jesus’s tomb?” 3 books say a group of women (who were Jesus’s followers) found the tomb to be empty but the book of John says Mary Magdalene. That’s not a differing account because John didn’t say ONLY Mary Magdalene went to the tomb. John 20:2 Mary says to the disciples “they have taken the lord out of the tomb and WE don’t know where they have put them!” So who’s the WE that Mary is talking about? Matthew is a recording of Jesus’s teachings and events Mark is a preaching of the good news to the gentiles (there’s no Jesus being born in a manger story told in the book of mark) Luke is a historical account of Christs life (Luke is a historian who also wrote the book of acts) John is a personal account of Jesus’s life from someone close to him So of course the same story is going to be told in a different way BUT if you treat the books as a 4 test answers and D. Is “all of the above” then know the other answers are also right but maybe mark said the answer is B. Doesn’t mean he’s wrong tho

[@Wh1stle_03]

@@portsidedyldo2661exactly. Omission ≠ Contradiction.

[@Jojoseph112]

proff jesus wasnt muslim: he drank wine-

[@wash99]

Nobody was muslim until islam which was centuries later

[@orangegibusgaming]

Checkmate

[@DylanOnRoids65]

First of all, Quran came in parts. And wine wasn‘t directly prohibited in quran bc arabs back then were one of the biggest consumers of alcohol. So what happened? The prohibition came in slowly, it started with don‘t get drunk and pray ( because you can easily mess up reading the quran which is the words of god), then it said that selling it or serving it is but the actions of satan himself. And finally it says to avoid drinking it ( the idea of drinking alcohol is still debated by many scholars till this day) And by the way, quran didn‘t talk about alcohol until waay deep into the book itself. Please educate yourself people!

[@orangegibusgaming]

@@DylanOnRoids65 is there a Satan in islam?

[@stressreliever9751]

​@DylanOnRoids65 of Jesus was indeed a prophet. Wouldn't he have already known it was an "action of satan"

[@darkwolf7740]

The denial of the historical crucifixion is one of the main reasons why I reject Islam. It's indefensible.

[@TheTemplar168]

I 100% agree. Jesus is King. The only issue this video presents is Testify forgot to show why using the Bible is valid in those situations. Surah 3:3-4, Surah 7:157, and so on. Because I guarantee you some Muslims are going to claim that this video has no validity due to it using Bible references for the catch 22. Which is dismissed by the Quran claiming the Gospels as correct and in the present tense, but still there is bound to be some…

[@abdoume1406]

​@@TheTemplar168the thing is you weren't there. Allah (god ) was, so he testified, as he calls himself in the quran a sufficient witness

[@abdoume1406]

​@@TheTemplar168so to say that this is the reason why you reject islam is false You should read the message of allah the quran, if you believe in it and belive that its from god, then everything god said must be true

[@TheTemplar168]

@@abdoume1406 that is literally blind faith, buddy. You have no proof whatsoever that the Quran is in fact the word of Allah. You have no proof that it is telling the truth. You only have what is written in it, and it is written that the Gospels and Torah are previous revelations from Allah. Therefore, according to the Quran, what they claim is accurate, so that means Jesus claimed to be God and was crucified. Your point holds no logic, it’s like me saying Jesus is God just cause the Bible is the Word of God. That means it has to be true, no other thinking or historical evidence provided

[@TheTemplar168]

@@abdoume1406 also, I have looked into the Quran. I’ve found so many contradictions, immoral teachings, and self-reliant claims I have completely shelved it as mythology, NOT religion. Because unlike you, I choose not to be gullible and to analyze both moral teachings AND historical reliability. Muhammad and the Quran are not reliable in the subjects they talk about, and therefore make too many self-reliant historical claims with no historical or literary evidence to back them up. Believing something to be true doesn’t magically make it true

[@galaxyn3214]

Why should anyone believe Allah when the Quran calls him "the best of deceivers" multiple times?

[@Orthosaur7532]

Because they want 72 virgins

[@BornAgainBrother]

Note that the bible goes the opposite direction and calls Satan the Father of Lies. Coincidence?

[@tarjan68]

It makes no sense.

[@dayana4654]

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! (Galatians 1 : 8) And what'd ya know, 600 years later suddenly an angel appears to a wild man in a cave, telling that you're the chosen one and that the actual witness accounts and a book that was made 100 years after Jesus (100 is closer to Jesus times than 600) is wrong... hmmm and its crazy how those people still claim their book that was written by a self-proclaimed by an angel wild cave human to conquest by sword, and blood other nations and saying that the gospels that talk about love, loving each other, helping each other, peace, and actual witness testimony to be false... yeah nothing "wrong" here. I thank God everytime for making my mind clear, and that He protected me from these lies, I had my doubts about God, at one point even dare think that He isn't real, but even when I had doubt He stayed and held my hand, and showed me the way to life, and moved my feet away from the path that leads to death. God is the loving Shepherd and He continues to protect and lead His people.

[@axxel9626]

​@@dayana4654 the earliest gospel, that of Mark, was written around the 60s, and the other two synoptics before the 64 b.c. The earliest letters of Paul were written around the 50s.

[@CatholicaVeritasIndonesia]

Without lies, islam DIES

[@davepugh2519]

Same goes for all religion.

[@axxel9626]

​@@davepugh2519 not for Jesus, the only true living God✝️

[@annemurphy9339]

@@davepugh2519. Archaeological discoveries consistently support the biblical narrative of people, places, and events.

[@thefogitself]

@@annemurphy9339 really?

[@iodias]

@@thefogitself yes

[@dzigayu4944]

Mohammed: "Jesus wasn't crucified" Everyone: "Source?" Mohammed: "It came to me in a dream" Everyone: "Ok, I believe you"

[@linusloth4145]

Not dream, more like demon possession.

[@yaboikindabored9831]

Look, Islam is just straight up wrong about denying the crucifixion. But bro have a lot of characters from the bible getting messages from God in a dream. So this is not a great example.

[@Ryvaken]

@@yaboikindabored9831 Yes, and you have a fair number of them challenge those dreams, either deliberately or as part of God's plan. A large part of prophecy is not "let me tell you about the future so you can prepare for it or change it" it is "oi, I'm telling you about the future. I'll be back tomorrow. It's tomorrow. Do you believe me yet? Great, here's the important stuff God told me." I've never even heard of Muhammad having that pattern of confirming prophecies.

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

​@@linusloth4145 who gave this stupid child a phone

[@RorySmith-Dube-fm7ll]

Mohammed: trust me bro

[@Anaken12]

Well, the disciples all pretty much died in terrible, horrible ways, after years of persecution. Why would they go through all of that if they knew Jesus didn’t die on the cross?

[@valinorean4816]

Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)

[@akbeal]

@@valinorean4816what a huge reach to try and get around this. I pray you lift up your eyes, open your heart and ask God to show you the truth. Seek it and you shall find him!

[@RickyVis]

@@valinorean4816 Technically you could still argue he died but didn't truly die as in once your dead you can never come back. It doesn't say he didn't die, it just says that they didn't kill him. If someone is killed and comes back from the dead than you didn't truly kill him did you? as a hypothetical, imagine you shoot someone and the person is clinically dead but the doctors manage to revive him than you haven't killed him even though he was dead.

[@valinorean4816]

@@RickyVis clinically dead is not dead lol, medical resuscitation is not resurrection

[@Yamyatos]

That's misinformation. For most of them we dont know how they died, and those we know of only few died for reasons related to persecution. Also, some of their death stories seem heavily copied form each other, ie likely made up in the first place.

[@lelouch8470]

John-Jesus was crucified, I was there to see it. Mohammed-Nah he wasn’t, trust me bro

[@MitsukiHashiba]

Allah: 🐍 ps... ps... ps.. pzzzzz....

[@rishispewcack5745]

The only evidence of John is from the buybull. NOT a reliable account.

[@kashmirandal6282]

Yeah, it's crazy that other people believe. How do you know the information you got directly came from God? I'd trust a man who actually saw it with his eyes.

[@elzoz1O20]

Give me the full biography of john , tell me his full name , his full story of how he met jesus , your evidence that he saw him . Me personally ? I can give you everything you want about Muhammad (pbuh), and he isn’t the one that said he wasn’t crucified anyways.

[@elzoz1O20]

@@kashmirandal6282”i’d believe a man but not god”

[@bolztyle]

this also leads to a genuine question that also arises, why were the jews so keen on arresting Jesus and later crucifying him if he didn’t break any laws? Why did they arrest him on the count of blasphemy (claiming to be God)? Islam says Jesus never claimed to be God, so then why did the Jews arrest him?

[@naimaclark2982]

@@bolztyle they arrested Jesus because he was claiming to be God and the devil was using them. It wasn’t even them who put Jesus on the cross it was Jesus himself who laid down his own life and he was free to take it up at any point.

[@naimaclark2982]

The Quran is wrong. Jesus claimed to be God because he is God.

[@SunnyTraveler]

@@naimaclark2982 If Jesus himself laid down his own life in cross, why would Jesus ask His disciples to watch for their safety in Gethsemane?

[@naimaclark2982]

@@SunnyTraveler Jesus is fully human and fully God. I’m not sure but I’m guessing Jesus was at his lowest and just wanted to know that his friends were sticking by his side until the end. But he knew that they would scatter. And I’m pretty sure they could have been put to death as well just for association. Which is why Peter denied Jesus 3 times.

[@shambhav9534]

Let's roll back to a time where didn't have as much law and order. What happens when someone claims to be a prophet/son of god/angel/whatever? Everyone who believes you will defend you like a zealous and everyone who doesn't will try to kill you like a zealous. Who comes out on top is a matter of arithmetic and luck. In this case, Jesus' followers weren't as successful.

[@freekillgaming2875]

I'm about to convert to Islam and bruh, I'm so thankful that you made this video, I'll be returning to church now, this is my greatest doubt

[@Petrosgiannakouros7]

See debates in Christian prince

[@freekillgaming2875]

​@@Petrosgiannakouros7 just thanking God for this vid, I stopped going to mosque after this vid, I'm now learning Catholicism

[@ElementalArsenalSpeedruns]

@@freekillgaming2875 denomination doesn't matter, a personal relationship with God is what truly matters

[@venus_envy]

Wow, glad you were pulled out in time. People from the mosque you were going to might start checking in on you, they don't like it when potential "reverts" get away. Stay strong!

[@Dragumix]

@@freekillgaming2875 I hope you will also examine Christianity critically. I can recommend the videos of Bart Ehrman here on KZbin.

[@davcaslop]

It’s always fascinating that people believe a document 500 years later of the act before a contemporary eyewitness account

[@jesusisunstoppable4438]

623 years later. Not 500. But yeah you're correct.

[@oscaralegre3683]

thinking is forbidden in islam.

[@davepugh2519]

The gospel writers were not eyewitnesses

[@oscaralegre3683]

@@davepugh2519 yes. Matthew and John were...now, Muhamad the pedo, was definitely not an eyewhitness 😂😂😂.

[@dylanbonilla3683]

They were in fact​@@davepugh2519

[@Christians_believe]

The fact that they think the disciples were Muslim without that even existing yet for another at least 100 years, is insane. 😂

[@victuss1413]

500 ish years. Muhammed was about 600 ad. It's even more cringe

[@Christians_believe]

@@victuss1413 fr though lol

[@霊悪魔]

They say Jesus i muslim, but Jesus drank wine...thats not very halal

[@KingoftheJuice18]

Dear fellow theist, you should probably be a little more cautious in issuing this judgment. Christians see appearances of Jesus in Israelite Scripture over a 1000 years before Jesus lived.

[@oldol12]

What's even more insane, is that women would follow a "religion", which states that most of the people in Hell are women because they are stupid and that they should veil themselves, so that men won't be tempted to r*pe them. Insanity!

[@connorrhun]

“Through a hole in the roof” is such a typical kind of thing to say for Christianity spin-off religions.

[@danmosby7980]

Was the hole real or just an appearance. who repaired the hole, tell me more about the hole.

[@MrSquirrelboy]

The story in the Koran sounds like bad fan fiction. They can believe whatever they want.

[@haytamhaytam7227]

@@MrSquirrelboy kinda ironic how you believed what has been said in this video with 0 source. must be reliable.

[@valinorean4816]

Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)

[@woodkey1]

@@valinorean4816 that is the problem with islam. Believing in spells and magic. Jesus perform miracles. He was dead for 3 days. Joseph and Nicodemus carried his body after the crucifixion and brought myrrh and spices and bound his body with linen. Get yourself educated. The centurion even speared Jesus body to make sure he was dead. How daft can you be.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

Christians: "source, the men who followed Jesus" Islam: "source, trust me bro"

[@R.3.V.4.N]

Source, God because he can see evrything. You think God can have 3 forms but he can't see the crucification? Christian hypocrisy.

[@Super_invader]

Not to be a jerk but how can you even improve that Jesus is real It's just a question not an attack on your religion

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

@@Super_invader the eye witness testimonies of the people who were around to see him, there's enough commonality between gospels to suggest what he did and where he went actually happened. That's more than we have for a lot of historical figures such as Plato or Cicero

[@Super_invader]

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 That can work with Islam you know

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

@@Super_invader I don't disagree Muhammad existed, but there's no proof that he's a prophet, his proof is self aggrandisement which no profit would do, why would God not have any prophecy to prove of a prophet's forthcoming? Or as Muslims claim why would God have a bible written only for it to be "lost" (despite Jesus' forthcoming being told thousands of years ahead of time). Hope I could help

[@SCP-Mythos]

Great video and for someone who didnt get it i explain it here: • If the Bible is correct, the Qur'an's account is false. • If the Qur'an's account is correct, it contradicts Jesus' prophecy about His death, making Him a false prophet by their own criteria.

[@aquafreesh9219]

@@SCP-Mythos even better. Muslims believe prophets cannot lie or sin. So either Jesus is the Son the God and the Bible is true or he’s a liar and the quaran is still false as that would mean a prophet lied.

[@saurabdulatipov5400]

Jesus (AS) never predicted his death in the Quran, and you can't use the bible to prove that islam is false because, as I said, we do not believe that Jesus (AS) predicted his death. Jesus (AS) predicted his death in the Bible but not in the Quran, and we Muslims do not believe in the Bible

[@Mr101editz]

@@aquafreesh9219prophets can’t lie or sin? Dude that makes the Aisha situation even worse

[@muazunais2378]

I mean the bible is corrupted many times it was written by not jesus himself lol so how can you claim his so called prophecy is true lmao. jesus pbuh was raised to the heavens he is alive and will come back during the end times and unalive the anti christ.

[@muazunais2378]

@@Mr101editz how old was rebecca?

[@TheVineOfChristLives]

“If anyone preaches to another gospel, other than the one we’ve preached to you, let them be accursed!”

[@valinorean4816]

Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)

[@Jackkkkkkkk111]

​@@valinorean4816 😆

[@eyuelzero]

@@valinorean4816 why would the disciples bury a not-dead man? Even better: why would he be crucified only to not die?

[@John-cena6483]

@@valinorean4816 that seems very silly. You have a silly religion

[@perimo_]

@@valinorean4816 jumping through hoops just to argue something you know is correct. Jesus died on the cross. 3 days. Yahshua is king

[@johnmccrossan9376]

If anyone thinks one of the disciples would have volunteered to be crucified before the resurrection they need to read the gospels again. Either that or they've never witnessed a crucifixion. We don't pretend the writers of our sacred texts were perfect.

[@LorenzoPelupessy]

But... But... I thought the cross was a chocolate candy...

[@KopperNeoman]

Not that it would have mattered. They weren't God, so their blood couldn't save us all.

[@ggpt9641]

Yes. And even if they were as selfless as Jesus was to decide to save Jesus's life, why was their name not mentioned? Even if Jesus didn't testify who that disciple was, why would none of the other 10-11 disciples say who died for Jesus? Mary is remembered for her offering of ointment unto Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus are remembered for burying him in a tomb, but you're telling me that the disciple who offered to be crucified to save Jesus goes unnamed? Something critical missing there.

[@magaretprempeh5512]

Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father? Matthew 1:16 …and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa. When was Jesus born? Matthew 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, Luke 2:2-3 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to. Where was Jesus born? Matthew 2:19-21 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. Luke 2:2-6 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem. How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus? Matthew 1:20-23 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us). Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors. Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change? Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mark 7:19 …since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

[@wakandaforever2401]

@@magaretprempeh5512 I ain't reading allat.

[@Donantonio26]

Am I going to trust a guy who wrote an account 400 years later, or am I going to trust those who were there when this happened.

[@Jamblmng2]

600 years later".

[@Donantonio26]

​@@Jamblmng2wether it was 400 or 600 years, my point still stands

[@jed1austinchannel772]

@@Donantonio26 not to mention the Quran was rewritten 5 TIMES the Bible has been consistent and has never been rewritten

[@mattpowell6291]

600 years and he didn't write it

[@DSH__]

@@jed1austinchannel772 yea

[@MrJonny0]

This would mean Allah invented Christianity and didn’t fix his mistake until 600 years later

[@kashmirandal6282]

This would also mean that around 500 years worth of people died being "misled". That is a fake god because he made mistakes. The real God is ✝✝

[@scalycoronet5198]

Yeah he was pretty involved in making sure people did the right thing throughout the entirety of the Bible. The idea that the disciples got all of the teachings wrong, or even worse that God got it wrong, and then just didn’t change anything for 600 years is ridiculous. And the idea that God would “fix” his “mistake” by telling some random dude in a cave to go create a religion that is fundamentally the completel opposite of everything he taught before? That’s just so completely ridiculous.

[@red.40]

@@scalycoronet5198 you know nothing about the Quran if you think it teaches the complete opposite of what was taught before. Not even your own scholars would agree with this claim

[@Intuitoh]

@@red.40 The Quran doesn't think Jesus is the son of God, it talks about how the Bible is "corrupted" and Jesus was not crucified, and didn't rise up from the dead 3 days later. That goes against core Christian teachings, the only thing that doesn't make it so that Islam is teaching completely opposite stuff, is that it says Jesus is the Messiah. Other than that though, Islam is (almost) completely opposite of what Jesus taught.

[@kashmirandal6282]

@@scalycoronet5198 Don't forget that in the 6 centuries that he refused to fix his mistake, so many people died and got cast down following the "wrong God". That's a ton of people.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

I heard one Sheik say it was clear that Jesus did die but that Allah resurrected Him and thats what the Quran meant. He got in a lot of trouble for saying that

[@thegiantbeagle]

John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son so who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him.” God bless you Jesus loves you.

[@DaveGIS123]

Here's part of what the prophet Isaiah said about the Messiah: "Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities." (Isaiah 53: 10-11, NIV). In other words, Isaiah said G-d Himself would treat the Messiah's death as a sin offering (which is why Jesus' crucifixion is often called a 'sacrifice'). The same passage says the Messiah would be raised back to life and be highly rewarded --- He would see the light of life and be 'satisfied'. The Messiah's sin offering would be on behalf of His figurative offspring (i.e. believers) to pay the price for their sins (i.e. bear their iniqities). This was written by Isaiah about 600BCE, or 1200 years before the creation of the Quran.

[@magaretprempeh5512]

Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father? Matthew 1:16 …and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa. When was Jesus born? Matthew 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, Luke 2:2-3 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to. Where was Jesus born? Matthew 2:19-21 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. Luke 2:2-6 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem. How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus? Matthew 1:20-23 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us). Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors. Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change? Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mark 7:19 …since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

[@thesaltedegg3786]

@@magaretprempeh5512taking things out of context without understanding

[@dhkim3986]

🤣

[@llamaboioflusatia]

Islam has gotta be the best combination of ancient Christian heresy and polytheistic animism

[@Vincenzo-wn1or]

Sprinkled with large doses of demonic oppression

[@codymadison9993]

@@llamaboioflusatia it was made by occult, masonry Jesuits all serve same master. The Great Deceiver. Goes to show how strong spiritual blindness can be, they think they have the truth…from following a liar.

[@pacinst6019]

It's funny, because old Christians denied many stuff that today Christians believe in, and Islam isn't polytheistic, but Christianity is, and it also contains Idoltary

[@waffentrager594]

​@@pacinst6019Polytheism makes way more sense to me than Monotheism ngl

[@flametoooth]

@pacinst6019 Christianity isn't technically polytheistic, there is only one God, three "persons". They are separate but together in a way, its complicated, but it is only one thing being worshipped

[@14Legionar88]

Muslims in these comment section are coping too hard.

[@spincycle6724]

fr

[@epicmetod]

This video is coping itself.

[@MoxV2]

@@14Legionar88 I’m sure you do cope every night drinking your life away

[@14Legionar88]

@@MoxV2 someone’s mad they can’t drink alcohol in islam🤣

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

How stupid and ignorant​@@14Legionar88

[@strogarth6752]

Yea this is the best argument against Islam why would it be "made to look like he was crucified"? in doing this Allah purposely deceived everyone including the disciples creating Christianity a false religion and leading everyone astray then 600 years later going "lol gotcha, everything you guys have believed for 100s of years is wrong and I done it on purpose". Like what? I genuinely feel like this is an indefensible position to have.

[@magaretprempeh5512]

Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father? Matthew 1:16 …and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa. When was Jesus born? Matthew 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, Luke 2:2-3 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to. Where was Jesus born? Matthew 2:19-21 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. Luke 2:2-6 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem. How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus? Matthew 1:20-23 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us). Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors. Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change? Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mark 7:19 …since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

[@InCaseYouDidntKnowIHaveYouTube]

​@@magaretprempeh5512Context matters.

[@danielwilliams7161]

Same for Mormonism or any "corrupt gospel" based religion. They all imply that God sat on His hands and let billions of people be deceived for centuries before finally correcting the record via a vision delivered to a single guy with no corroborating evidence. Oh and that guy also gets to marry his underage cousins and gets 10% of your income because God told him so.

[@darnoc0010]

@@magaretprempeh5512 Nothing was refuted? You claim they contradict but at know time did they. Several of those accounts were at different times. Also neither account was first hand. Those writing were not there at the birth. They are recounting based on public records of the time and what others had told them. Ok some break downs: Both Mary and Joseph were of the line of David. Why Matthew went through Joseph instead of Mary I don't know. You are missing the earlier career of Quirinius. He was in command of the armies as the Legional Legate for the region of Syria from 12BC - 4BC. He governed along with Titius, Saturninus and Varus as Imperial Legates. He had all the same authority (including governing) as the other three. As the wars moved from the region so did he. To end his career he became the Resident Imperial Legates of Syria from 6AD - 12AD. This means he was governing during the end of Harod's life in 4BC. Jesus was born in Bethlehem and an angel came to them and warned of Herod's anger so they fled to Egypt. Harod then ordered the mass slaughter of all young males below the age of three. Then after Harod's death the angel came again and told them to return. The rest you just need to look at context in the story of why its stated.

[@ahmedabaid7090]

With your logic why would your ‘god’ deceive 2 billion + people with a false religion

[@Christisthetruce]

Isaiah 53 He was pierced for our transgressions he was crushed for our iniquity the punishment that brought us peace was upon him and through his wounds we are healed"

[@spongeboblover7052]

Islam doesn't believe in the Bible we currently have, so it's of no use to prove it using the Bible

[@Christisthetruce]

@spongeboblover7052 theirs over 5,800 manuscripts of nt alone and scholars and historians agree its 99.5 reliable to the original text and the .5 doesn't affect christian theology at all its mostly periods or commas

[@itsthecamaroguy]

I have Isaiah 53 memorized in KJV because its what the band Stryper was named from. I love it when music, TV shows, and movies can make me do that.

[@aoijibratul4588]

Wait, is this verse was written before Jesus's crucifixion or after? Sport, I just learned about Christianity

[@itsthecamaroguy]

@@aoijibratul4588 it was written before Christ was crucified. It is part of the Old Testament which is essentially everything in the Bible before Jesus walked the earth. Glad to see someone learning about Christianity!

[@kaybee4850]

I love how Jesus ascended through a hole in the roof

[@EarlOSandwich]

Right? The Quran is such terrible fan fiction. I laughed at that part.

[@TaLeng2023]

​@@EarlOSandwichI find the my little pony incident just as funny

[@Mick_92]

@@TaLeng2023 The what now?

[@TaLeng2023]

@@Mick_92 apparently Big M flew to the moon on a horse

[@Doesntexistfr]

@@TaLeng2023 not to the moon😭 It's to the seventh heaven,basically the whole universe.

[@ajmartinez-h1q]

Jesus wasn’t Christian or Muslim. He is the Christ that us as Christians worship as our savior.

[@ultraman789]

@@ajmartinez-h1q Amen

[@Det.johnkimble]

he was a Jew. lol

[@khalilovsdesign]

He never said I'm Christian nor God. Therefore He's not christian

[@ultraman789]

@@khalilovsdesignJohn 8:58 and obviously he wasn’t christian because christians are people that follow Jesus

[@khalilovsdesign]

@@ultraman789 John 14:28 - "You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. This verse clearly denies He's not God nor son of God.

[@Mr.Sleepy._.]

The biggest "it's just a prank bro" from the Devil

[@valinorean4816]

Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)

[@voxpopuli8132]

@@valinorean4816 Jesus told the disciples many times: " The Son of Man will be KILLED, but he will rise on the third day".

[@valinorean4816]

@@voxpopuli8132 Muslims believe that part is retrofitting in hindsight by rumor/story development. The evidence that it happened like that is much flimsier than the evidence for the crucifixion and even "resurrection", wouldn't you agree?

[@valinorean4816]

@@voxpopuli8132 Muslims believe this is just rumors/story development afterwards. Tahrif - corruption of the scripture (not necessarily deliberate, like the telephone game).

[@tomson3239]

​@@valinorean4816 what a gymnastics making his story . You shall bear false witness. Muhammad is a liar

[@robertfreeman1673]

0:48 and if Allah deceived the Jews and Christians on the crucifixion that makes the Allah of the Quran a liar 😂

[@majormohitsharma7701]

He even calls himself the best among all who did that.

[@robertfreeman1673]

@@majormohitsharma7701 “the greatest deceiver” 💀💀

[@neon9481]

@CaseyBean17 The Bible explicitly mentions God lying multiple times. Jeremiah 4:10 - “Then said I, Ah, Lord God! Surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.” 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” Also in 1 Kings 22:20-23 : “20. And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. 21. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. 22. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And He said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 23. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.”

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

U gats shut up and educated urself abeg The stupidity is reeking

[@aoijibratul4588]

Why? What does the quran say?

[@T.Chopper_]

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc were the eye witnesses . They saw Jesus. They walked with Jesus. They taught with Jesus. They ate with Jesus.

[@michaelx_yyc]

@@T.Chopper_ exactly, why listen to a person that came 600 years after Jesus, then listen to his best friends?

[@BayMaxXtreme]

Luke explicitly states in Luke 1:1-4 that he was not an eyewitness but compiled his Gospel from accounts handed down by others: "Just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word." Luke emphasizes his careful investigation of these sources rather than claiming to have witnessed the events himself.

[@yasinsaleh625]

The bible was written 50 years after

[@LaGGingAtSpeed]

And your own scholars say the books weren't written by Mathew mark Luke and John 😅

[@chronicsalt2735]

when muhammad was asked for sources his response was “it came to me in a dream”

[@lmlimpoism]

12 disciples knew Jesus Mohammed never knew Jesus who's more reliable?

[@misuni9105]

apostles*

[@lmlimpoism]

@@misuni9105 it's interchangable

[@misuni9105]

@@lmlimpoism oh is it? ty i never knew

[@All_SportGG]

​@@lmlimpoism By that logic neither. Knowing someone doesn't mean you will report the truth and also doesn't mean your report won't be changed later on. So neither.

[@lmlimpoism]

@@All_SportGG wdym are you stupid on purpose or?

[@wesxd5292]

And it gets worse when scholars (atheists, jews, christians, etc) did prove that Jesus died, and other religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc) also show Jesus died... it no longer makes sense to think he hasn't died or whatnot

[@NoName-cx3gk]

At this point, we don't even know for certain if Jesus actually existed, given the lack of contemporary, independent evidence. The historical basis for his life is still a subject of debate.

[@apexnate8460]

​@@NoName-cx3gkthat's not true in the slightest

[@ChaosReaper426]

@@NoName-cx3gk We definitely know for a fact he existed and was crucified. Even contemporary historians at the time believed that, the only issue historical facts can't prove was his resurrections which is a big part of the Christian faith.

[@ClintonBooker]

@@ChaosReaper426Even as an atheist I think that most of the not too magical events of the Bible did happen and that Jesus did die. It's the resurrection part that I draw the line.

[@SmartwexCZ]

bro i heard an argument from a muslim why the gospels are wrong and he said: uhh the disciples copied each other💀

[@ssabdalla7014]

Ok? What's your point

[@skibidibap4411]

They did tho, 70 percent of Matthew is copied from Mark.

[@iamthehype3684]

​@@skibidibap4411it's almost like they're all telling the same story just from different perspectives. That's really not the gotcha you think it is. It's not like some kids copying each others answers for a test.

[@skibidibap4411]

@@iamthehype3684 different people reciting thr same story are bound to say them in different ways but not in the synoptic gospels. It literally copied each other word for word.

[@skibidibap4411]

You really don't understand how word for word the gospels similarities are, dont you? If I commissioned 3 writers to tell me a story about "Jack and the bean stock" they would, of course, share the same story beats and share key details of the story but they wouldn't have entire paragraphs or groups of paragraphs which copy each other word for word. If it did anyone would agree that these authors plagiarized their content. That is exactly what happens in the synoptic gospels. They have entire paragraphs which copy each other word for word and therefore cannot be trusted as first hand personal accounts. If you want to learn more, google the synoptic problem.

[@ElectricNeonOfficial]

Ah yes, a book written by a man 500 years after Jesus was crucified should be taken as 100% accurate compared to several books written right after Jesus was crucified.

[@amo313_]

@ElectricNeonOfficial no book was written in this time. The oldest found manuscript was found from a few hundred years later.

[@htcilyas43]

ah yes a religion based off manuscripts that are 4th century containing fabrications. so sad. inshallah the christian's kufr and shirk is exposed by Isa ibn Maryam himself.

[@RifumoMashaba-q3i]

"if any man come preaching a different Jesus and gospel than that ye received let him be cursed"

[@justinemereni689]

Quote properly, he also added "Angel from heaven".

[@RifumoMashaba-q3i]

@@justinemereni689 my bad

[@SM_MEX]

Also on top of this if they don't believe in historical facts then you can prove that the "god" of Islam is a liar and decieved people into thinking it was Jesus, which is what Satan does. A perfect being won't ever lie

[@magaretprempeh5512]

Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father? Matthew 1:16 …and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa. When was Jesus born? Matthew 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, Luke 2:2-3 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to. Where was Jesus born? Matthew 2:19-21 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. Luke 2:2-6 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem. How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus? Matthew 1:20-23 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us). Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors. Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change? Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mark 7:19 …since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

[@SM_MEX]

@@magaretprempeh5512 I sort of skimmed through this whole comment(I'm not bouta actually read and respond) and I'm pretty sure you never actually refuted the argument. You just said "issues" that you thought you found in the bible. Thats like if I said that "bananas are bad" and you argued "no they're not, because apples are bad!" Which makes no sense at all because you never actually refuted the claim.

[@v_cartographer]

Dude, he refuted the perfection of Jesus, because the apostles (if we presume they were authors of the gospels) contradict in some of their claims about him. And we know of him mostly due to the assumed apostles. Disclaimer: I am sceptic of both the Quran and the Bible, but I emphasize on the Bible because the Quran is obviously full with contradictions, so debating it is easy and boring. So, there are 3 logical options I see: 1) Jesus lied to the apostles, gave different info to each of the authors, so he isn't perfect. 2) Or it could have been their own decision to lie about Jesus, which hypothetically leads to the variant that he might be perfect and not a liar, but then at least one of the 4 apostles, assumed authors of the gospels, is a liar. 3) Think about this - the oldest manuscripts of the gospels are anonymous works, but theologians claim that they are copies of what the apostles wrote. But who says that this is the case, theologians lack actual evidence to back their statement. So, these manuscripts might not even be copies of apostles' work, but forgery. Which leads to the 3rd variant: apostles and Jesus might haven't lied, but apostles' written work (if such existed) is lost and what we have is the fantasy of anonymous authors.

[@Bolaway]

Christians also don't believe in facts, including when We say Yeshua never created the Christianity but came to reform Judaism. "If your justice does not exceed the justice Pharisees and Scribes, you will not enter in the Reign of Heaven". Christianity copied the Yovel (Jubilee), the immersion and called baptism, changed the times and feats like Dani'el prophesized, removed the fourth commandment and changed the second. Do you know the shabat is represented by the letter Dalet (ד) which means door? The Shabat is the door for the commandments and the messianic era is considered the Shabat of the world. But when I get people to speak these things, They reject the truth and keep with the same idea that Christians don't need to do anything, and will be saved and everyone will be condemned, which is for me such arrogance, considering Yeshua will only come for Israel and gentiles are just inserted into the Olive. Preaching against commandments saying they're abolished while making people pay "tithe", a thing that is also inside the 613 commandments is Satanic. But it is always easier to point to the other.

[@sergeantmatthias8101]

@@v_cartographer one of the proofs of the truth behind the confirmation of the Gospels' authors would be the fact that early Christians such as St Irenaeus and St Justin Martyr had undoubtedly believed that the Gospel of Mark is attributed to St Mark, the Gospel of Matthew is attributed to St Matthew, etc. These early Church Fathers didnt argue over the authors of the Gospels. And thus is only by the second century

[@jacobhargiss3839]

Ok, lets assume Jesus didnt need to die for any purpose to be fullfilled and God could just take him up into heaven and everything would be fine. Then why on earth would God need to make someone else look like Jesus and get brutally yortured to death? If the crucifiction doesnt serve a purpose, why would anyone need to be crucified at all?

[@marcosgonzalez4207]

Well, i'm not muslim, but put a christian man to pay for the sins of humanity makes a LOOOOOT more sense than create a pure man that actually wants to die in that place since his birth

[@taps8781]

@@marcosgonzalez4207 what does that even mean?

[@jacobhargiss3839]

@@marcosgonzalez4207 the reason it had to be jesus was for a few reasons. 1) no normal man can pay the burden of any other mans sins with his life because he already must pay the burden of his own. So, the one to die must be perfect and with no sins to pay for. 2) God must punish someone for our sins but does not want to punish us, and punishing any other innocent man instead would be unjust. So, God had to take our punishment on himself. Hence, God dwelled among us in the person of Jesus Christ.

[@cygnusprime6728]

​@@jacobhargiss3839do you hear yourself? God "punished himself" to forgive us? How that even remotely logical?

[@willyboinka1070]

The people who wanted to kill Jesus deserve to be misguided he was to be their messiah who was to rule all of the earth but they rejected him so God took him and will bring back in the end times so that he can kill the Anti Christ the false Jewish messiah

[@dan827]

Jesus is Lord.

[@calebtorres9714]

@@dan827 amen to that

[@Lift_r0]

Amen

[@livresse7]

You're not even saying his name right, when he comes back (I doubt it) and you call him Jesus he's gonna cast you down to hell. lmao

[@crispybacon4066]

@@livresse7 I don’t think he really cares. It’s a English translation that means the same thing, the same way hola and hello mean the same thing

[@Sebastian62608]

@@livresse7What

[@blakewretched]

Breaking news, KZbinr Testify mysteriously dies by his car exploding while he was inside

[@Southafricaa330]

So accurate😂😂

[@Handlelesswithme]

At one point I laughed at the thought of Christians being oppressed Now I wonder why I missed the warning signs

[@imnotyourdaddyimyour001]

​@@Handlelesswithme welcome to the 21st century. And Islam is trying to rule the world

[@TaLeng2023]

"A fiery but mostly peaceful vehicular conflagration" - CNN headline

[@BlitzBrawler]

😂😂

[@LionOf.Christ]

"«اِحْتَرِزُوا مِنَ الأَنْبِيَاءِ الْكَذَبَةِ الَّذِينَ يَأْتُونَكُمْ بِثِيَاب الْحُمْلاَنِ، وَلكِنَّهُمْ مِنْ دَاخِل ذِئَابٌ خَاطِفَةٌ!" (مت 7: 15).

[@FakenameStevens]

Lol in Arabic? Arab Christians are rare I respect that

[@phantomperseus4481]

​@@FakenameStevens he probably wrote it in arabic so that the other muslims can also understand it fully (or cope) either way, yea I respect arab christians

[@CatholicaVeritasIndonesia]

So glad you’re starting to make videos refuting islam! God bless always!

[@LorenzoPelupessy]

A waste of his talents tbh 😂

[@annemurphy9339]

@@LorenzoPelupessy. It seems a beautiful use of biblical/historical knowledge since the truth can lead many to salvation in Christ.

[@garethsutherland9649]

@@LorenzoPelupessy never a waste imo. Someone could be on the fence of which religion to look into and many these days look at Islam. These videos may help them see the truth. I understand what u meant though :D

[@Loltroll8]

@@LorenzoPelupessyNyet, even being agnostic myself, Islam should be resisted and actively chased from the west

[@magaretprempeh5512]

Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father? Matthew 1:16 …and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa. When was Jesus born? Matthew 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, Luke 2:2-3 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to. Where was Jesus born? Matthew 2:19-21 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. Luke 2:2-6 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem. How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus? Matthew 1:20-23 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us). Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors. Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change? Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mark 7:19 …since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

[@nathanthomson1931]

Also, the Quran claims that the Torah and Gospels are the word of Allah as well, but also states that the word of Allah cannot be changed. So, if the Gospels were corrupted, only Allah could have done that. Why would Allah bring a prophet for revelation, and then quickly corrupt his own revelation- thereby necessitating another prophet? That makes zero sense!

[@davidmckelvey2601]

Christianity: Jesus was crucified. There were numerous witnesses. Muslims: Nope. Never happened. Islam: Muhammad spoke to angel and then rode on a flying horse to Jerusalem to speak to Abraham and Jesus and then went to heaven to talk to God and then came back down. No witnesses. Muslims: Yup. All of that happened.

[@tymon1928]

Yes because quran says so dude!!!11

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

Stfu, u should use the energy and time to write this stupid paragraph and do something more meaningful with ur useless life😊 Also, educate yourself.

[@khalilovsdesign]

Disrespecting another faith's beliefs only shows a lack of understanding and tolerance. As a Muslim, I believe in the teachings of the Quran, which differ from the Bible. Just as Christians hold their scriptures sacred, so do Muslims with the Quran. The Quran's account of Jesus and other events is clear and respected by over a billion people worldwide. It's easy to mock what you don't understand, but true wisdom lies in learning and respecting diverse perspectives, even if they differ from your own.

[@BayMaxXtreme]

If a Muslim can provide undeniable proof, through written and historical evidence, that every claim about Jesus in the Quran was already present among early Christians from the 1st and 2nd centuries, alongside documented evidence of the corruption of the scriptures, would you then accept the Quran as a legitimate source of truth?

[@tymon1928]

@@BayMaxXtreme why just Jesus? the same has to go for all the prophets

[@debbiesmith8785]

No one would willingly be tortured and killed for a lie yet all of the apostles except John did testify with their own lives that Jesus died on the cross and rose 3 days later. I can think of nothing more evil than calling Jesus a liar and having someone else take His place. That lie is from the pit of hell.

[@davidmathews9633]

Can you show me in the Bible where all the disciples besides john were tortured and killed? If you can show verses on how Paul and these guys were tortured and killed, that would be really helpful. Andrew Bartholomew or Nathanael James, the Lesser or Younger Judas Jude or Thaddeus Matthew or Levi Philip Simon the Zealot Thomas

[@debbiesmith8785]

@@davidmathews9633 I will not do your homework for you but I can direct you the 469 page dissertation by Sean McDowell a well respected associate professor of the Christian apologetics program at Talbot School of Theology University. There is also a wide variety of sources including secular historians, letters between church fathers, the Bible itself (you can start with John 21:18-19) etc.

[@naimaclark2982]

Amen

[@user404notfound3]

How do I condense the proofs and still show you that Jesus(pbuh) didn't die on the cross, that's my dilemma. I'll give a go and we can always elaborate Insha'Allah. We have to start with some context. Background Jesus(pbuh) had started to gain quite a following due to the miracles he was performing. The ruling Jews at the time, the Pharisees were worried about their positions and as a result, Caiaphas the Chief Priest said the following: John 11 [50] Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. [51] And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; It was not God that said Jesus(pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions. Another thing to understand is that the Jews had a habit of challenging their Prophets(pbut), and we see this with the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) too, when the Jewess poisoned the food in order to see if the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was actually a Prophet. There are many Prophets(pbut) that were killed in the bible with Zakaria(pbuh), the father of John(pbuh) being case and point. Likewise, they have in their books: If a person is hung, it is a sign that he has been cursed by God according to the Bible. Deuteronomy 21 [22] And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: Notice that in order for one to be put on the cross or a tree, they are guilty of committing "a sin worthy of death". Think about that for a second in relation to Jesus(pbuh), because the next verse is extremely important in relation to how God views this person on the cross/tree. [23] His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. The one that is guilty of a sin worthy of death, should be hung, and his hanging is a sign that he is accursed of God. So horrible is this person that one shouldn't waste time and they should bury them that same day so not to defile the land. Imagine, their dead body is such filth that thy pollute and dirty the land. That's how horrible that person is. What they wanted to do, is get rid of Jesus(pbuh) and if they were successful, in their eyes, he was not really a Prophet and therefore justified in their actions. The Prophets(pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus(pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross. Jesus(pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die Jesus(pbuh) knew what they were planning and as a result went into the country side. Keeping this in mind, Jesus(pbuh) gave the people his most greatest miracle, a sign of his validity as a Prophet. Matthew 12 [39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: The scribes who were sent by the Pharisees to look for dirt on Jesus(pbuh) ultimately asked Jesus(pbuh) for a sign. Jesus(pbub) said take all other signs off the table, except this one, mother of all signs. [40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonas(pbuh) through out his ordeal was alive and never died. In the sea, alive, in the whales belly, alive, regurgitated onto the beach, alive. Just as Jonas(pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus(pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died. Remember, if Jesus(pbuh) ever died, he fails his own test. This sign wasn't hidden considering he openly told the scribes, which means his disciples knew of this as well. Who was really on the cross and what happened to Jesus(pbuh)? Not many know this, but there were two Jesus's in Pontius Pilate's custody. Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) and Jesus Barabbas. Matthew 27 [16] At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[b] Barabbas Pontius knew Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) was innocent as the Bible states: [18] For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him. None the less, the Pharisees had told the crowd to ask for Jesus Barabbas to be released. But which Jesus was released and which one was on the cross? The bible gives us hints. Remember the people there at the cross obviously thought they had crucified Jesus(pbuh), and therefore he looked like Jesus(pbuh). But take a look at what happens on the first day: John 20 [14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Mary went to the sepulcher looking for Jesus(pbuh) but couldn't find him. But look at the verse above. She saw Jesus(pbuh) but didn't know it was him. If anyone could pick Jesus(pbuh) out of a crowd, it was his disciples and close companions, yet she couldn't recognize him. He even spoke to her and she couldn't recognize it was him until he mentioned her name. Further proof that Jesus(pbuh)'s face had changed is provided on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24 [15] And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. Jesus(pbuh) approached his two disciples, but look at what the Bible says: [16] But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. They didn't recognize him because his face was changed. They walked and talked with Jesus(pbuh) and the whole time they didn't know it was him until they sat down to eat. Just by observing his way of eating, they knew it was him. [30] And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. [31] And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. If the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross through it was Jesus(pbuh), Yet Jesus(pbuh) didn't look like Jesus(pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus(pbuh) on the cross. Which means someone else who looked like Jesus(pbuh) was on the cross, where as the real Jesus(pbuh) who didn't look like himself was else where. You have to die to be resurrected Now onto the fact Jesus(pbuh) according to himself, never died, therefore was never resurrected. Look at what Paul says: 1 Corinthians 15 [13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: Here Paul is establishing that according to his belief, Jesus(pbuh) was resurrected. This is the belief of majority of Christians. [14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. If Jesus(pbuh) never died and therefore never resurrected, Christianity as we know it today is false. He further says this: [17] And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Now lets look at the characteristics of a resurrected body given by Paul. [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. We live having a natural body, but when we are resurrected, we have a spirit body. This makes sense considering if someone is beheaded, they are not raised with their head separate from their body. They are raised whole, considering their spirit was not beheaded. Now lets look at Jesus(pbuh) own statements about whether he had a natural body or a spirit body after the crucifiction incident. Jesus(pbuh) proving he was not resurrected, therefore he didn't die Luke 24 [36] And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. [37] But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. When Jesus(pbuh) visited them, they having heard the incidents of the crucification and now actually witnessed it, thought Jesus(pbuh) had died. Hence when they saw him, they thought he was a spirit. But look at what Jesus(pbuh) says to them: [39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Jesus(pbuh) still had a natural body, which can only happen if he never died. He further proved it by eating: [42] And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. [43] And he took it, and did eat before them. Because a body that is resurrected, a spirit body does not need food, it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food. Further proving that Jesus(pbuh) never died, and therefore was never resurrected. Jesus(pbuh) was not on the cross, considering he didn't look like himself and the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh). Then we see here, that if you are resurrected, you won't have a natural human body, you'll have a spirit body, therefore would not eat food. Jesus(pbuh) proved to the disciples that he had a natural human body, which means he was telling them that the never died, therefore had never resurrected. Again, the proof is all there, the problem is no one really reads what is being said.

[@naimaclark2982]

@@user404notfound3 Jesus died on the cross. The end.

[@SilverKnightOfTheUnion]

Hello there good sir. I'm a Muslim and I mean no bad intentions. I saw this video and I would like to see the source of the phrase beginning at 0:58 . I'm not saying you're wrong or harbor any evil intent. I just would like to know the source. If you want, I could give you some of my socials so we can talk more about this, because I'm interested in this subject. Thanks in advance.

[@fanres9974]

Never heard of it too. Is this what they call deliberate misinformation?

[@SilverKnightOfTheUnion]

@@fanres9974 Perhaps. I did some research of my own with a friend; we couldn't find that source anywhere.

[@jfk8745]

I don't know the original quote but it states in Surah An-Nisa 4:157 something very similar about a replacement. I might be wrong since I haven't read the Quran in many years (as I'm Christian), however if it's a scholar using the Quran then I wouldn't be able to find it, but there's at least showing replacement theory. Hope that helps 🙏

[@SilverKnightOfTheUnion]

@@jfk8745 Thanks for your response. I read this verse long ago, but I'll post it here again, translated: "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not." As you can see, this is nothing like the text that he shows in the video for Ibn Abbas. That is the one I'm looking for. Thanks again.

[@Gordie650]

No offense but all throughout history Islam has always been a hateful religion what kind of righteous god tells you to kill people because they don’t believe in the same god I’m not even talking about the Quran I’m talking about when Islam was founded they went on a conquering genocide taking all of Arabia and Northern Africa from the Persians and byzantines Northern Africa from Christian’s and Spain form Christian’s even in more recent history letters from the Barbary states to the us government “ it so our duty to plunder and enslave those who are none belivers” maybe that’s not what it says exactly but I’m pretty darn close explain

[@ugandan216]

Muhammad: Jesus wasn't crucified Everyone else: Yes he was Muhammad: No he wasn't, I got a revelation Everyone: That's not reliable, we don't believe you Muhammad: *unsheaths sword* Everyone: WE BELIEVE YOU! WE BELIEVE YOU!

[@camillewilliams3185]

At this point the only way for Muslims to reliably prove their claims that the disciples teaching were corrupted, would be to present historical evidence of a different gospel at the time of the early church. But what do you know? No such evidence exists. The shady one is the religion that starts up 600 years later claiming contradictory stuff.

[@kashmirandal6282]

Very true. Five hundred (and then some) years worth of people DYING believing in the "wrong faith". Jesus is God.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Muhammad was friggin' Joseph Smith in a turban! 😂

[@osmanli-li]

Firstly, why do you trust the Bible to tell you the story of Adam and Eve, who lived thousands of years before it's writing? Secondly, as you'd agree, God can choose to reveal information whenever he pleases, and information from God will always be more accurate, rather than eye-witnesses.

[@kashmirandal6282]

@@osmanli-li Reply to my first comment.

[@kashmirandal6282]

@@osmanli-li And how do you know that it is from God?

[@susanalilik6349]

If it was not Jesus who was crucified and raised again, why all of the apostles be faithful until the end and willing to die as martyrs. Are they willing to die for something untrue?

[@Mess_of_a_Maniac]

Exactly. You’re correct

[@Handlelesswithme]

You would surprise how many Islams +others went out over something untrue Yknow Jesus could walk on water, resurrect the dead, and casually dispensed bread and wine He was upright in this regard cause god is truth. Jesus can’t in anyway mislead anyone in anything The Islams did not have Jesus to show them the truth, sadly

[@doughboi007]

What's always so funny to me is that this was also written nearly 700 years after Jesus' death.

[@PatriotMapper]

As someone fantastically put it: “If the Quran is true, the Bible is true; and if the Bible is true, the Quran is false.”

[@blockvfive1196]

@@PatriotMapper that makes no sense

[@PatriotMapper]

@@blockvfive1196 The Quran affirms the Bible to be true, but the Bible makes no reference to the Quran. Since the two actively contradict each other, and the Quran confirms the Bible must be true, then the Quran has to be false.

[@blockvfive1196]

@@PatriotMapper ok now what makes sense

[@subzero5325]

@@blockvfive1196 "it makes no sense to me so it makes no sense at all" I love you guys so much

[@blockvfive1196]

@@subzero5325 youre quoting that…? 😂 I literally did not say that, nor that is what I believe… You’re jumping to conclusions and misquoting in a world of information

[@ACS2]

A book based on faith (at least in self-contained logic) cannot debunk by itself another book equally based on faith. It's an unwinnable debate especially for the later book in this case, Quran. It's the same as trying to debunk the Torah with the Bible.

[@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475]

We don't debunk thora, nor we says God of Jew's is Not true God... We affirm that Jew's are the first born, they worship the true and Jesus tri union with him... We don't hate Jew's for their faith but u do to us.

[@kadenbouldin6815]

Jesus wouldn’t ask anyone to take his place… that’s kind of the whole point.

[@sladedraken479]

Christ Died For Us

[@robertbennion3166]

@@moosa86 significance of His willingness was to bring Eternal Life to those who believe. Through His crucifixion and burial, and resurrection. John 14:6 I Am the Way the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Me. He is the door to the Father. John 10:9 [9]I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The one mediator. We ask forgiveness, forgiven by Him, washed in His blood that makes us righteous to go before The Father. God is too Holy for our sins, we are as filthy rags, but Christ's crucifixion on the Cross made the path for us to be with God. Through His shed blood. It purifies, sanctifies us. John 11:25-26 [25]Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. [26]And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

[@sladedraken479]

@moosa86 There are multiple reasons 1. The Problem of Sin: According to the Bible, all humans have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Sin separates humanity from God, and the consequence of sin is death (Romans 6:23). 2. The Need for Atonement: In the Old Testament, atonement for sin was made through animal sacrifices. These sacrifices symbolized the seriousness of sin and the need for a substitute to bear the penalty of death (Leviticus 17:11). However, these sacrifices were temporary and had to be repeated. 3. Jesus as the Perfect Sacrifice: The New Testament presents Jesus as the ultimate and perfect sacrifice for sin. Unlike the animal sacrifices, Jesus' sacrifice was once for all time. Jesus is described as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). His death on the cross was a substitutionary atonement, meaning He died in our place, bearing the punishment for our sins (1 Peter 2:24). 4. Fulfillment of Prophecy: Jesus' death was also a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, such as those found in Isaiah 53, which speaks of a suffering servant who would be pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities (Isaiah 53:5). 5. God's Love and Justice: The death of Jesus is seen as a demonstration of both God's love and justice. God's justice requires that sin be punished, but His love provided a way for that punishment to be borne by another. Romans 5:8 says, "But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." 6. Reconciliation with God: Through Jesus' death, believers are reconciled to God. Jesus' sacrifice removes the barrier of sin, allowing for a restored relationship with God. This reconciliation is described in 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, which states that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. 7. Victory Over Death: Finally, Jesus' death and subsequent resurrection are seen as a victory over sin and death. By rising from the dead, Jesus defeated the power of sin and death, offering eternal life to all who believe in Him (1 Corinthians 15:55-57). In summary, Jesus died for our sins to provide a perfect and final atonement, to fulfill prophecy, to demonstrate God's love and justice, to reconcile humanity with God, and to achieve victory over sin and death.

[@sladedraken479]

@@moosa86 There are multiple reasons 1. The Problem of Sin: According to the Bible, all humans have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Sin separates humanity from God, and the consequence of sin is death (Romans 6:23). 2. The Need for Atonement: In the Old Testament, atonement for sin was made through animal sacrifices. These sacrifices symbolized the seriousness of sin and the need for a substitute to bear the penalty of death (Leviticus 17:11). However, these sacrifices were temporary and had to be repeated. 3. Jesus as the Perfect Sacrifice: The New Testament presents Jesus as the ultimate and perfect sacrifice for sin. Unlike the animal sacrifices, Jesus' sacrifice was once for all time. Jesus is described as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). His death on the cross was a substitutionary atonement, meaning He died in our place, bearing the punishment for our sins (1 Peter 2:24). 4. Fulfillment of Prophecy: Jesus' death was also a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, such as those found in Isaiah 53, which speaks of a suffering servant who would be pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities (Isaiah 53:5). 5. God's Love and Justice: The death of Jesus is seen as a demonstration of both God's love and justice. God's justice requires that sin be punished, but His love provided a way for that punishment to be borne by another. Romans 5:8 says, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." 6. Reconciliation with God: Through Jesus' death, believers are reconciled to God. Jesus' sacrifice removes the barrier of sin, allowing for a restored relationship with God. This reconciliation is described in 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, which states that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. 7. Victory Over Death: Finally, Jesus' death and subsequent resurrection are seen as a victory over sin and death. By rising from the dead, Jesus defeated the power of sin and death, offering eternal life to all who believe in Him (1 Corinthians 15:55-57). In summary, Jesus died for our sins to provide a perfect and final atonement, to fulfill prophecy, to demonstrate God's love and justice, to reconcile humanity with God, and to achieve victory over sin and death.

[@craiglewis2865]

@@moosa86Jesus was willing to be crucified out of love for us, because his death on the cross opened the door for humans to achieve eternal life. He did not have to die in the cross if he didn’t want to, but chose to out of love for us, and out of a desire to save us. Read John 3:16

[@imkluu]

This isn't the only place where the Qur'an proves itself false. It also says that the Book, The bible, and the Gospels are the true word of Allah, and that nothing can change the true words of Allah, and yet in other places it states things that are contradictory to the Bible or the Gospels.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

I always thought the crucifixion disagreement was rather odd for Islam, considering that they share so much beliefs, ideology, etc. with the other two Abtahamic religions. (Then again, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus was nailed to a mere vertical stake, so...)

[@sliglusamelius8578]

It's not even in the same ballpark.

[@CatholicaVeritasIndonesia]

Isn’t it odd that the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT in Christianity they ignore and leave out? Isn’t it also odd that muhammad and joseph smith got their teachings from angels? (Galatians 1:8)

[@christiancrusader9374]

​@@CatholicaVeritasIndonesiaSatan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[@jesusisunstoppable4438]

​@@CatholicaVeritasIndonesia Catholicism is Satanic

[@jkb2819]

It's a pretty fundamental difference actually, in the Quran most of the notable figures in the Bible are recast as prophets in a long line culminating in Muhammad. God looks after his prophets, and they obey him (as you should), therefore God would never have allowed Jesus to be killed. It's really a way of justifying Muhammad himself by projecting him onto previous figures, then taking out the various inconsistencies that happens when you do that (Jesus is not the only person to get a rewrite).

[@intisarsalam4337]

Perhaps when you write things you should share your sources, because nowhere in the Quran does it state that Jesus asked his disciples to take his place. The only place it was spoken of was Quran 4:157-158. In fact popular belief among Muslims is that a conspiracy was made to kill Jesus, Allah made the main culprit who betrayed Jesus look exactly like Jesus, then he was crucified in Jesus’ place. Jesus was raised safe and sound to the heavens. Muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus.

[@benmeitzen4184]

Even if that were true, the disciples all pretty much died in terrible, horrible ways, after many years of persecution. Why would they go through all of that brutal suffering for Christ if they knew Jesus didn’t die on the cross?

[@jangtheconqueror]

He stated that he got this story from Ibn Abbas. As a companion of Mohammed, you would think he would have transmitted a story as important as this accurately. To be honest, though, it doesn't really matter, because even the way you tell this story is flawed, because it still ends up with billions of people being deceived by that switch. Why would Allah do something like that? It makes no sense. He could have chosen any other way to punish the betrayer, as he did in the Gospels, yet he chose a way which led to people being deceived and believing that Jesus was God, a belief which is wrong according to Islam. Basically, Allah made a HUGE mistake with that one little action which served no other purpose. It's clear that Mohammed, or whoever came up with this version of the story, was just trying to 'disprove' or attack Christianity's core belief, when in fact his crucifixion is basically accepted historical fact. Jews believe it, atheists believe it, and certainly Christians believe it. Jews and atheists obviously don't believe in his resurrection or that his death paid for everyone's sin, but they accept his crucifixion as a historical event. I suggest you look up the ApostateProphet YT channel, he's a former Muslim who makes videos about Islam and its inconsistencies and uses mostly the Quran to disprove itself, so it's not like he's using an outsider perspective. It's just using the Quran and logic that he does it. He's also not a Christian so he's not trying to convert you or anything.

[@FinnManusia]

And of course the Quran is there to revise the information back.

[@jfk8745]

I'm pretty sure it says so in Surah An-Nisa 4:157

[@zasoggy]

*the crucifixion dilemma based on the bible which the Muslims do not take as a source of truth

[@SilverWave64]

2:12 The disciples were Muslims? How does that make sense when Islam only started to exist 600 years later?

[@LutzWeissmuller]

Islam is always talking about how Biblical charachters where muslims, one of the nonesenses of Islam is that acredites at least 5 biblical charachters to be the first muslims, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and i dont remember on David and Ishaiah

[@SilverWave64]

@@LutzWeissmuller How does that make sense???

[@LutzWeissmuller]

@@SilverWave64 because they claim that if they where in contact of God that make theme muslims, yes, wird

[@SilverWave64]

@@LutzWeissmuller Their religion literally didn’t exist back then. Makes no sense at all.

[@giuliosili3081]

Not to be that guy but he is literally saying that a book can't be trusted by trusting his own book. You can find many paradoxes in the bible itself, religion is based on faith, not on logic.

[@TestifyApologetics]

hey buddy, I used two different arguments to argue that my book is reliable, and my entire channel is dedicated to arguing it's reliable so maybe think and browse a little before you type in silly comments like this.

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

​@TestifyApologetics Yenyenyen, I think u can prove ur book is reliable without putting down another book or religion. Why must u put islam down to bring Christianity up?

[@iamworstyoutuberngl-en8mq]

@@Justsafi.xoxo2349 To tell Muslims about Christianity! Both of the sides point out if there are contradictions are not.

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

@@iamworstyoutuberngl-en8mq omoh if u no get better thing to say, shift abeg

[@MaximusAugustusOrthodox]

Christ is Lord ☦️

[@theholypapalspud]

@@MaximusAugustusOrthodox yes✝️

[@blxrryFace]

Why cant i visit ur profile 😢

[@DanielA-no9xv]

Amen ✝️

[@theholypapalspud]

@@DanielA-no9xv bless you

[@CT--mq6dj]

Long may Christ reign

[@AntoniusOhii]

I'm a Christian, but I have heard Baha'is, who are similar to Muslims in many ways, in that they accept the Quran as divinely revealed and Muhammad as a prophet, as well as some Muslims, state that the Quran is not being literal when it says that Christ was not crucified; they argue that it is essentially saying that Jesus was literally killed, but that He is nonetheless alive, and they cite this passage from the Quran to back it up: "Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision." (Quran 3:169) So, they argue, when the Quran says that Jesus was not killed, it is not being literal, but rather speaking figuratively as that other verse is. Thoughts?

[@gamerx3071]

then what is this "figurative" death?

[@ZeroNumerous]

Then, simple point: How does it account for Christ being dead according to the Romans, then returning to preach again three days later?

[@shambhav9534]

@@gamerx3071 What even is death? Define death first. When does a man stop being living and becomes dead?

[@shambhav9534]

@@ZeroNumerous IMO it supports the Islamic theory more as it doesn't contradict all observable natural laws. The Romans killed a guy who looked like Jesus and said it was Jesus for propaganda. But then the real Jesus actually showed up and started preaching again. Some people were genuinely confused and claimed it to be a resurrection, including his disciples. The theory works out all right.

[@yupitsmejohn]

John 19:34 explains perfectly that Jesus died. When Jesus was pierced in his side with the spear by the Roman soldier, blood and water poured out of him. Had Jesus been alive, his heart would still have been pumping blood, and the blood would've left his body in spurts. Jesus' pierced side plainly shows his heart had stopped and it had stopped long enough for the blood to pour out, then for the fluid build up around his heart to pout out after. I'm also perplexed by the claim that a decoy was crucified in Jesus' place. The Sanhedrin were present from the moment they tried Jesus until Jesus gave up his last breath. They were so bent on putting an end to Jesus' ministry, they made sure he was put to death and made sure they'd witnessed it with their own eyes. Anything less would not have been acceptable for them, and they would've intervened swiftly if any attempt to "switch out" Jesus with a decoy were attempted. They wanted him dead and buried and saw to it that even his body was sealed in the tomb and guarded by Roman soldiers. Furthermore, to suggest that a decoy was used would've meant that not only the early Christians were in on a major conspiracy, but the Jews who rejected Christ were in on it too. The people who were present at Jesus' crucifixion all knew him and interacted with him.

[@ajayghale9215]

3:32 He didn't predict he would die crucified in islam so i don't understand why you would claim it would undermine his role in islam. you say historians say the disciples of jesus believed jesus himself was crucified. you do realize islam says christanity was corrupted which means these "historians" also changed the whole story of jesus to make him god. you can't say islam claims the bible is corrupted then jump to the bible to prove your points. i've seen some videos that make strong arguments that are hard to debunk but your video's arguments make no sense and clearly weren't well thought.

[@therandom3523]

Normally, I would make a long comment taking apart the video's arguments one at a time, but here I don't, because the video is riding off of 2 points laid down in the beginning of the video. At 0:56 the video says there is a hadith told by Ibn Abbas, which tells a story about Jesus speaking with the disciples before getting crucified. All I can say is, that it is simply not true. I cannot find an authentic source that states this hadith. He also gives no citation or credit, so I cannot tell you whether it happened or not The video proceeds to ride on the fact that the apostles were supposed to be Muslim, so their Bible interpretations should be taken as true. If they lied, Islam is wrong, and if they told the truth, Islam is wrong. But, no, because that point rides off the un-authentic hadith the video gave earlier. Without that hadith, the video is using the Bible to prove the Bible correct.

[@BobMcDowell]

@@therandom3523 month late, but aside from the missing source, how are you interpreting this? Muslims accept the crucifixion of Christ as true?

[@therandom3523]

@@BobMcDowell What does that question even mean? What part of my comment said that Muslims accept the crucifixion of Jesus?

[@FunnelCake3348]

I am a Muslim and in the Quran it’s says that’s they boosted that they killed Jesus (pbuh) but they did not kill him then in the next ayat it says Allah raised Jesus to him literally allowing for the resurrection of Jesus to occur and him being seen to be go up to Allah, secondly in the Quran it says all past words of Allah are true this includes the old and New Testament. Next the Quran did not say that the disciples were not Muslim only that they believed in Allah and god as they are one. It also said those who did not believe in Jesus would be punished. Lastly to finish up it literally said in the Quran that Allah pulled Jesus up to him instead of Jesus dying so you could say he did die on the cross and Allah resurrected him so he didn’t rlly die if he came back to life.

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

Thank you so much for this, some people jus see anything on the internet and believe stupidly instead of actually taking research Literally one of the few sensible and educated comments I've seen☺️

[@Omer-yh9se]

So basically what your saying is that You belive Christ resurrected from the dead which Christians believe.While The Muslims belive that someone else died in place of Jesus.Which contradics your reasoning.

[@FunnelCake3348]

@@Omer-yh9se uh no some Muslim scholars in hadiths said that Jesus was replaced but from the given context of those hadiths they make 0 sense. To be honest as a Muslim I’ve never heard of anyone saying Jesus got replaced before this video

[@apexnate8460]

Why do muslim nations have the highest rates of incestuous marriage

[@annikadamaris8068]

​@@FunnelCake3348 There are Muslims like you that believe that Jesus died by crucifixion and was resurrected and I see how this can be argued from the Quran. From what I know your position is a minority position (and also from experience I only know Muslims in real life that believe he was replaced), although I think your position makes more sense. This video only addresses the majority position. I have a question for you: Why do you think Jesus died and rose again from your Islamic point of view? This must have some significance, especially since Jesus predicted it so many times. And also what do you think it means that Jesus is the Messiah from your point of view?

[@ziaulahsanohee1266]

If Bible wasn't corrupted, there won't be any need of Quran. If Bible is corrupted meaning the verses were changed, your evidence from Bible don't prove anything. What if the disciples were saying another thing that got corrupted, What if instead of Jesus, his Yong disciple got crucified and others said something like "HE SACRIFICED FOR US" that later became corrupted and became sacrificed for our sins..

[@briandiehl9257]

What is Muhammad was a polythiest but it all got corrupted

[@LFCfan3928]

You got brainwashed 😂 The verses have not changed, your false prophet told you that so people believe his version of crucifixion more There is no need for the Quran, it's not a book from God You can't just say the evidence from the Bible is false because it's corrupted

[@melll_dx]

"If"

[@buzzdoesnotbuzz3330]

Also, in context of the whole belief of Christianity itself, Jesus wouldnt, or in fact *couldnt* have had someone due in his place, as that would completely betray all of Salvation History. Jesus was made man so that he could be the Sacrificial Lamb for our sins; no mere human's blood could do that.

[@zeronya]

also do not forget this part in the Qu'ran: [5:47] Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. This right here, literally tells the people to judge Allah by what is in the Bible. this means that the Bible is true and is not corrupted. we get another contradiction here to do with Jesus. The Qu'ran says that Jesus was not the son of God and was just a prophet, however this doesnt work because it LITERALLY SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. So in simple terms, the Qu'ran says the bible is true and because the bible is true that means Jesus is indeed the son of God, which the qu'ran then goes onto say that the bible is false is in that Jesus is not the son of God. do you see the contradiction here? the Qu'ran itself is saying that it is false in that it says the Bible is true.

[@ashj5952]

read literally the next verse. why do christians not understand the concept of context, you even misquote Jesus.

[@zeronya]

@@ashj5952 "We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences." By saying "this book with truth" it is unclear which book it speaks of, however we can assume it means either the qu'ran or the bible, either one works, in the case that it says the Qu'ran is the truth, that means it validates the former verse, in that the Bible is true. If it is talking about the bible, my arguement I just sent still counts. It then goes onto say to "judge between them by what Allah has revealed" meaning we should be looking at both the Bible and the Qu'ran, this again validates the Bible. it then goes onto say that we are being tested by picking between the two and he will reveal to us the truth when we "return to Allah" (die).... i do not get what you are exactly trying to say here as this verse says absolutely nothing to refute what i said

[@MrChoco409]

@@ashj5952go marry a child or something

[@ashj5952]

@@MrChoco409 nah I don't follow the Old Testament.

[@zeronya]

@@ashj5952 the next verse doesnt refute this?

[@stevemason6850]

Islam arose in the year 610 AD more than 500 years after the death of Christ. They have no first hand knowledge of anything about Christ.

[@TaLeng2023]

And they too far away from the action, whatever they know probably was filtered from a few details from the Ethiopians across the sea.

[@yasinsaleh625]

God gave them the information, so it has to be more accurate. To say otherwise is blashphemy

[@yasinsaleh625]

God also gave Jesus revelation, and it was preserved for a time, but it has been changed over the 2000 years by a lot of people

[@MatthewFearnley]

Wow, the Gospel Reliability arguments are super effective when applied to a worldview which already accepts much of scripture as being genuine.

[@BornAgainBrother]

Agreed.

[@infernovoltage3378]

edit: nvmd lol... I stand corrected abt the 1st part. (Its not a Gospel Reliability argument. This is a video about the unreliability of the Q'ran.)

[@TestifyApologetics]

​​@@infernovoltage3378it's a little of both actually, but more of Islam being false

[@telephonebear21]

@@TestifyApologetics Those two very specific applications of examples of undesigned coincidences and embarassment criterion for this argument is very succinct and compelling.

[@abdoume1406]

​@@TestifyApologeticsto critisise quran you went for ibn abass, which never recivred revelation, he spoke of him self. On the contrary allah said he made it appear as if they crucified him, so even to the deciples it would appear so... you proved nothing

[@junechevalier]

So why did the disciples denied Jesus three times, forsook him and left him? (Matthew 26:56) Did they know that this Jesus wasn’t the Jesus they had loved before?

[@troyrowe7670]

I also find it a bit tickling that the Quran had to specifically mention that Jesus was not crucified. And why is it that Islam was written 600 years after Jesus was crucified? And why does the Quran have parallels with the Gospels? I ama by no means trying to diss Islam, but in my opinion, I believe that it was because Muhamed wanted to create his own religion because he was feeling left out. I believe that the Gospels are a real account of the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Our Lord Jesus Christ

[@timd3895]

Sad that Muslims don't believe in the prophets who wrote about the Messiah dying for our sins in the OT.

[@timd3895]

@CSGOCOMPILER Tell me you don't know the Bible or the Quran without telling me 35.1 And *no BEARER OF BURDENS* will bear the burden of another. 19.19 Pickthall He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may *bestow on thee a FAULTLESS son.* 👶 19.19 Yusuf Ali He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee *the GIFT of a HOLY son.* 🎁🙏 So the Gospel (good news) of Jesus ✝️ is actually *_in_* the Quran 😮😮😮❓YES 😊

[@Zackary-s9j]

Look man, I don't mean to bash on anyone, but this video is all based on opinions. I'm not defending anyone here, I'm just pointing out that to claim that your whole religion is based on a single book, and then to turn around and say that it is infallible when you can't even prove who wrote the thing (there are no definitive signatures in the Bible or the Quran, both just claim that a significant figure said something), is silly. Even if there are similar stories throughout the Bible, it doesn't prove anything. So to try to solve any religious question with even the faintest intimation that you can come away with an 100% logically consistent and provable conclusion is ridiculous because the best thing you can site is your own opinion about what any of these books mean. Now don't misunderstand me, I am not denying that there is an objective truth. However, I think it silly to claim that anyone but God knows what the whole objective truth is, and you either see the whole picture or you don't. I believe in the first amendment of the constitution of the USA, and so I don't believe that it is particularly appropriate to go out and directly attack any one religion, as that kinda goes against the spirit of the first amendment. I guess what I am trying to say is that this video is kinda silly, because objectively speaking, this video is just an opinion piece, which seems to be a common thing for this channel. One example of how opinion is a fundamental part of this video is how the host of Testify doesn't seem to understand how Muslim people use the term Muslim. You see, if you ask anyone who practices Islam, muslim has two meanings/forms. There is Muslim proper with is a follower of the teachings of the Muhammad, and there are muslims improper which is just a good, God fearing person. If any of you would purchase an English translation of the Quran (I have a copy of "The Clear Quran by DR. Mustafa Khattab) it will probably make this distinction in the introduction. It describes the difference between the two as an "uppercase Muslim" vs a lower case "muslim," in a similar way to how we use "God" to describe the God of Christianity vs "god," which we use to describe other gods from extra Christian religions. So when they say Jesus and the Disciples were muslim, they mean muslim with a lower case "m." If you get a copy of the Quran like the one I have, you can gain this extra understanding for yourself, and if you understand that, many of the arguments in this video become extremely silly; especially if the person watching it is a Muslim and know that distinction. So basically, this argument isn't going to make any follower of Islam think twice about what they believe. it is just going to make you seem stupid to them. This is something I regularly see in Christian evangelism. They tend to just say what makes sense to them and talk past whoever they are arguing against. Now like I said, I'm not pointing this out to bash on Testify or anyone else. It just doesn't sit well with me to see some dude bash on something he clearly doesn't have the deepest understanding of. I simply believe that the best way to promote Christianity isn't by picking fights with other religious groups through silly opinion pieces on KZbin. I think that it is much more effective to instead talk about the deep and profound truths that Christian theology teaches than running a smear campaign. Basically, my message is, I think there is better material out there, and I thinkthat Testify can make better material as well. Good luck y'all, and sorry for the text wall.

[@nugu115]

TL;TR

[@YeshuaTheTrueLight]

A hole in the roof? At this point they are just making a mockery.

[@r4_in_space]

I mean, you don't even need to go that far to ebunk Islam. How did Allah treat his prophet? He made endless cocessions and let him live promiscuously. How did God treat his prophets? He taught them humility and obedience and was very strict at that. One of those is more reasonable than the other.

[@Hxzaifaaa]

@@r4_in_space Our prophet suffered too y'know. People threw stones, garbage, thorns, and even camel guts on him. He went to a city (Ta'if) to preach and the townsfolk stoned him to the point where his sandals were filled with blood and his clothes turned red.

[@portallover3478]

​@@HxzaifaaaYeah, but Allah made MULTIPLE exceptions. Muhammad is a self insert Mary Sue who got to have 11 wives, is more beloved than Isa in the eyes of Allah, was never kicked out of being a prophet after evil like the others, is the only one to be with Allah above the seven heavens, is the one to judge Muslims, he's such a uwu special boy for someone who was just as much of sinners as the rest of the prophets.

[@portallover3478]

@@moosa86 I feel like you were talking to me, which if so, David still got rebuked, and Muhammad said you can only have 4 wives iirc

[@joea.9969]

@@moosa86David repented of his sins. He also suffered consequences of being greedy with women and disobeying God, his own dearest son turned on him and was killed. Also Solomons downfall was his many wives and concubines. Ever since God created Adam and Eve the plan has been ONE man ONE woman. Since Abraham and Sarah introduced Hagar( a third wheel) there( and look at the mess with Jacobs 4 women and their children) there has been strife.g

[@psychedelicpayroll5412]

@@moosa86So you think them competing over one man is a good thing. In the Bible it talks about Leah and Rachel completing over Jacob as a diss to polygamy. I mean Jacobs oldest son Rueben did sleep with Jacobs wife Bilhah in the process also.

[@joaoornelaslobo3633]

So in isaiah it says that the messiah will die for the sins of humanity ( Isaiah 53: 4-6) but if Jesus never died on the cross for our sins, then he isn't the messiah which in favor also disproves Islam which claims him as such.

[@danmosby7980]

The Quran also instructs mohamed to refer to the reader of the scripture if you are not sure of revelations. It affirms the validity of the Bible and the Torah by deferring to them. The quran claims it is guardian over previous scripture there by further validating their truth. V48.

[@joaoornelaslobo3633]

@@danmosby7980 Thank you for the follow up brother, together we've just constructed a full-proof argument!

[@thesharinganx5847]

@@danmosby7980 The ancient scriptures provide necessary context for many stories in Islam therefore it makes sense to instruct the prophet to read from it. Even if it's corrupted, its creed and basic principles share many common points with Islam.

[@danmosby7980]

@@thesharinganx5847 First the Quran verifies the Torah and scriptures as true, and instructuct mohamed to ask advice from the readers of the book if he is confused about revelations. Second the prophet was illiterate, who corrupts heaven turns it into a brothel no other religion does this. no sex in heaven. just angels.

[@BayMaxXtreme]

After closely studying the Quran’s depiction of Jesus, I've concluded that: The Quran could be providing an accurate portrayal of Jesus and might be right about the corruption of earlier scriptures. Quran's Every Claim about Jesus Found in 1st -2nd Century Gospels: • Virgin Birth: Protoevangelium of James, Gospel of Matthew & Luke • His Miracles: 1. Speaking from the Cradle (Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of the Infancy of Thomas) 2. Healing the Blind and the Leper (Gospel of Mark, Matthew, Luke & John) 3. Raising the Dead (Gospel of Mark, Matthew, Luke & John) 4. Creating a Bird from Clay and Breathing Life into It (Gospel of the Infancy of Thomas 1:1-3) 5. Providing a Table Spread with Food from Heaven (Gospel of the Infancy of Thomas, John 6:1-14) • Jesus as a Prophet: Gospel of the Nazoreans, Gospel of the Ebionites • Not Crucified: Gospel of Basilides, Apocalypse of Peter One might say Quran brought it from all previous Christian scriptures but my question is all these texts were written in the 1st and 2nd century, approximately 500 years before Islam. This suggests that every claim about Jesus found in the Quran was already circulating among early Jewish Christian communities long before the Quran was revealed. The Quran’s claim that there was uncertainty about the crucifixion among people may indeed be accurate. Quran (4:157): "And [for] their saying, 'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.' And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, certainly not." Quran (2:79): "So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands and then say, 'This is from Allah,' in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." Additionally, Paul was the first person ever to claim Jesus’ divinity, crucifixion & resurrection. If all these claims are coming of only one person, Paul, then it’s quite plausible that he played a significant role in shaping the New Testament narrative, like an indirect writer. His mention in NT more than any other apostle screams biasness to me.

[@RadaGen]

And in Qur'an, there is no passage about Jesus foretelling his own death. While the reasoning of the KZbinr sounds solid at first but when you look deeper, Jesus predicts his own death only in Bible, and not in Qur'an. So by denying Jesus' crucifiction, Qur'an contradicts with Bible. If Jesus never predicted his own death, it also means that he didn't sin or lie.

[@geretteter-Suender]

The crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ are the best-attested events in world history. There are a lot of witnesses and there are no witnesses at all to what Mohammed supposedly received from an angel in the cave. But here are other arguments: In 4:157 the crucifixion is denied, although the findings are confirmed by historians (even those who were not Christians). But this is a substantive contradiction. In 19:34 Jesus speaks of his death, that he will die. If you claim this is for the future: (When will he die?) In 3:55 God speaks to Jesus and says to him: "I will cause you to die" (Arabic 'mutawafika') but since the 1930s, under pressure from Muslim governments, it has been changed in the Koran translations to "recall" or similar words, or it has been omitted. (Repeated in 5:117). Substantive contradiction. But in Arabic it is still there. 19:34 | 3:55 | 5:117 → 4:157. The next thing is: The whole thing is a theological contradiction in 6:164 and 53:48 No one (burdened with guilt) can take on the guilt of another. But Jesus was supposedly replaced by someone else (presumably Judas) on the cross. So that doesn't work. There are several historical proofs outside of the Bible, that Jesus was crucified: In 52 AD a Greek historian (Flagan) debated the crucifixion of Jesus and the accompanying circumstances such as darkness and earthquake. This was a mention within 20 years of it. Tacitus as a Roman historian at the beginning of the 2nd century, not mentioning the death of Jesus, described that Jesus lived under Pontius Pilate and Tiberius proved that it was 33 AD. Josephus Flavius ​​as a Jewish historian. Historians described that Christians at that time believed that he was killed and resurrected. Can you show me a single historian in the first six centuries who denied the crucifixion? There is none. I recommend Josh McDowell's book "The Resurrection Factor" as irrefutable proof.

[@greasymemes]

the book contradicts itself therefore not from allah

[@geretteter-Suender]

@@RadaGen The Gospel reports are written by different Eye-witnesses. They had no reason to lie. The Gospels confirm each other. God said through Musa in Deuteronomium 19,15: "at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established." All of the Apostels got problems for their faith, trough public pressure and most died as martys, but they had not to die, if they deny their faith, but they didn't. ☝ Mohammed had no witnesses, only his own imagination of a so called "angel". From him he get a different salvation-path than Jesus gave the people before. So the Quran does not confirm the scripture the was given by God before, like it should (Sura 5:46...)🤷‍♀ God said in the Bible in Acts 4,12 through Paul: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name (instead of Jesus) under heaven given among men, by which we must be saved." ‼ And he warned in Galatians 1,8-9: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed." 😧 Then Islam came 600 years later, bringing a total "different salvation", and spreading it through the sword by subdueing all countries around. Jesus did not command that, he's the opposite and said in Matthew 26,52: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again your sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Interesting, isn't it?🤔 May God open your Eyes and give you a humble heart, so that you will repent to the true God and get forgiveness and everlasting live. God bless you! 🙏

[@BayMaxXtreme]

@@greasymemes Oh, did your pastor hand you that info or did you actually open up a Qur'an yourself? I love how some Christians claim they’ve got God's nature all figured out. Sure, Jesus spoke Aramaic, but the New Testament was written in Greek, and now you’re reading it in English. Makes perfect sense, right? Let’s recap: Torah - One God Psalms - One God New Testament Gospels - Oh wait, Trinity?! Qur'an - One God But hey, Christians nailed it on their first try? That’s some next-level comedy you're living in!

[@kizginmaske]

Hz. A positive and general lyric that Muhammad (pbuh) said about Christians and Jews can be quoted as follows: "Fight against the People of the Book in the best way possible." (Surat al-Ankabut, 29:46) This verse, Hz. As part of Muhammad's teachings, he commands to treat the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) with good words and justice. He also emphasizes that their belief in God is different from other beliefs. This understanding has created differences in the general views of Muslims against Christians and Jews. This is to my Christian and Jewish brothers who criticize Islam by looking at today's people...🕋☪️

[@mazmuz987]

I'm muslim, I have several doubts about something. So, thank you for making this video... This video makes me wanna learn more about islam and strengthen my fate in Islam trough studying other Abrahamic religion brotherhood. Alhamdulillah...

[@wardoned2]

Of course a lie becomes truth if you believe it hard enough

[@LaGGingAtSpeed]

​@@wardoned2 Oh yeah, like the crucifixion of Christ or his divinity 😅

[@wardoned2]

@@LaGGingAtSpeed absolutely

[@Dwights_trash_can]

​@@LaGGingAtSpeed you're a fool if you don't think Jesus of Nazareth was crucified. Secular historians even agree on this.

[@LaGGingAtSpeed]

@@Dwights_trash_can the same secular historians don't believe he resurrected, I never said no one was crucified, someone was crucified and the Jews and Romans THOUGHT it was Jesus, but Jesus prayed to God to take it away from him, and god accepted his prayer

[@Eyad_Negm]

I am a 15-year-old Muslim . Some Muslims believe that God made Judas appear as jesus as a punishment to him to get crucified . You saying it's like trust me bro , but you are talking about a guy in the desert who didn't even leave his village and never heard of Christianity and also don't know how to read or write and then he He memorized the words of God letter by letter and with diacritics, and knew all the stories of the prophets in detail in a village of polytheists so is this a lier? . He endured stoning, humiliation, exposure and possible murder more than once for a lie? Is it normal for a person to deprive himself of his adopted son when a fake God teaches him that changing lineage is forbidden? Wanna talk about miracles? God divided a bird for him in the sky and sent it back in one living piece. He divided the moon in half. One of the companions was sick with a disease that weakened his eyesight until he almost went blind. Then Muhammad put his hand on his eyes and asked God to restore his eyesight, and it returned , ↓↓↓↓↓

[@Eyad_Negm]

When the Messenger was born, a light came out that illuminated the entire universe, and even the infidels of Quraish bore witness to that. When the Messenger was young, he was playing with his friends. An angel came and inspected Muhammad’s heart and made it completely pure. All of these children witnessed that.Even the infidels of Quraish witnessed the splitting of the moon.the only miracle no body witnessed was Divide the bird and return it. In the Battle of Badr, the angels fought with the Muslims, and the infidels also witnessed that (no one saw the angels, but they saw the infidels flying and being thrown to the ground and being struck with hidden swords).

[@mv.112]

@@Eyad_Negm there’s no non-islamic sources for any of that, and we have sources from different regions of the world that testify to things like comets. U think 0 non-islamic sources would testify about the splitting of the moon? This obviously didn’t happen otherwise we would have countless sources for this huge event. We already have lots of sources for just MINOR events. Also, God doesn’t punish people with death for their immediate sins, you get your final punishment after your death. So Judas wouldn’t have been killed for rejecting Jesus. Judas could have repented and went to heaven, instead he chosen to kill himself as the disciples testified. And why would they lie about this? Anyone living there could have just asked around or checked his plot or his body to see if they were lying or not. This goes for many things, like the eclipse when Jesus died, Jesus’s tomb being empty, and more. Clearly they accepted this happening and we actually have numerous pagan and Jewish sources for lots of these events! Many of these are also prophecies that were predicted centuries or thousand+ years before Jesus was even born, like the eclipse at his death, Jesus being crucified, and Jesus being rejected by the Jews, these are all written down in the Old Testament before his birth.

[@mv.112]

@@Eyad_Negmalso, Mohammed definitely heard of Christianity and even Judaism. Some of his own relatives were Christians. Arabia had LOTS of Christians at that time, there are even monasteries and churches, and even the little island of socotra was Christian before islam. Christianity was common in Arabia back then

[@Eyad_Negm]

@@mv.112 no Christians weren't a lot only in the sham region and Egypt but Mecca was mostly fully Infidels and there were Jewish cities, but near the city that the Messenger did not visit until the migration + You left out the rest of what I said.

[@cheli.x]

Quran 4:157 - The fact that it was still ‘made to resemble, or appear’ to them, proves Christianity true. Because the only way this could be done is if some sort of substitution or illusion was placed on the cross to seem as though he was Jesus. Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 are basically the main prophecies of Christianity in a nutshell (both in the Dead Sea Scrolls before Islam came about). The fact that someone was on the cross (by Allah’s will), seeming to have been crucified to people as the “suffering servant”, as these two scriptures infer, means that Allah was still inadvertently aligning with our scriptures and fulfilling them, and therefore confirming it. ---> The scriptures are about someone enduring suffering and crucifixion. Let the people of the book judge by 'what allah has revealed therein'….'allah revealed that': It still happened. It was ‘made to appear’ that someone in actuality was enduring suffering and crucifixion. Therefore Allah still confirmed our scriptures and they are not corrupt. He made a big mistake, stripping him of his divine status. Also, the fact that it was 'made to appear' to his enemies, allah has to account for that. Because Josephus and Tacticus weren't Jesus' enemies, so why have them write accounts of Jesus that didnt happen. Then allah purposely misled/decieved them and everyone reading their texts too. Also, your allah hiding the identify of who really dies in jesus's place for over 2000 years raises issues about his transparency. Is he scared to clarify who the culprit was because he would be ahistorical? First he was switched out with barrabas, then simon of cyrene, then judas?? (wheras the bible says judas hanged himself and his organs fell out.)The gnostic gospel of barnabas makes the same claims. What happened, was there a quick plastic surgery on the cross or something?? For the Muslims using the sign of Jonah argument, they would also need to substantiate your understanding of the prophecy, specifically as to *where exactly Jesus was kept in the heart of the earth for 3 days in the Quran*. Y'all have no time frame detailing the 'three days' that allah would save him - in 4:157 stating the crucifixion, (what we know as day 1 of the 3 days prophecy) that is the same day allah saved him, **so three days didn't even pass before he was saved by allah**. This prophecy you want to use according to the quran was not even fulfilled because three days didn't even pass before he was saved by allah, so your fellow muslim brothers arguments on this crumbles. (Also, Yeshua/Messiah means saviour. Why allah is saving the saviour defeats the whole purpose of the messiah.) The heart of the earth at surface level is easily known to be the grave/tomb. Also, 1 Peter 3:18-20 and Ephesians 4:8-10 describe Jesus descending to Hades/Sheol to preach the gospel to the spirits there, which can also be interpreted as the heart of the earth. Hallelujah!

[@mr.nobody8692]

When is the next bible update?

[@TestifyApologetics]

why do you guys think this is an own when we've been using the same 66 books centuries and centuries? OK, how about this....how many Qurans are there? answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

[@Petrosgiannakouros7]

​@@TestifyApologetics.

[@CrystaLies]

Muslims often claim that the Bible has been updated or corrupted over time. This belief raises an important question about the authenticity of the verses within the Bible. If the Bible has indeed been altered, how can one confidently determine which verses remain true to the original message? Muslims often assert that the Bible has been corrupted or updated over time. However, they also cite certain verses to support theological arguments. This raises a logical inconsistency: if the Bible is corrupted, how can any verse be trusted as authentic? Muslims believe the Bible has been altered, which undermines the reliability of its content. This perspective casts doubt on the entire text. Consider the following verses which present contrasting attributes of Jesus and God: • Seen vs. Unseen: John 1:29 (Jesus was seen) vs. 1 John 4:12 (No man has ever seen God). • Human vs. Divine: Acts 2:22 (Jesus was a man sent by God) vs. Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9 (God is not a man). • Mortal vs. Immortal: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 (Jesus died) vs. 1 Timothy 1:17 (God cannot die). • Tempted vs. Untemptable: Matthew 4:1 (Jesus was tempted) vs. James 1:13 (God cannot be tempted). • Weary vs. Unweary: John 4:6 (Jesus grew weary) vs. Isaiah 40:28 (God cannot grow weary). • Sleep vs. No Sleep: Mark 4:38 (Jesus slept) vs. Psalm 121:2-4 (God does not sleep). • Learning vs. All-Knowing: Hebrews 5:8-9 (Jesus had to grow and learn) vs. Isaiah 40:28 (God does not need to learn). • Limited Power vs. All-Powerful: John 5:19 (Jesus was not all-powerful) vs. Isaiah 45:5-7 (God is all-powerful). • Limited Knowledge vs. All-Knowing: Mark 13:32 (Jesus was not all-knowing) vs. Isaiah 46:9 (God is all-knowing). These verses suggest inherent contradictions if updates were indeed made to the Bible. If the Bible has been updated or corrupted, it stands to reason that all verses could be called into question. This selective belief in certain verses while dismissing others as corrupted presents a logical inconsistency. Claiming the Bible has been updated implies that any part of it could have been altered. Therefore, using specific verses to argue theological points while asserting the text is corrupted presents a logical inconsistency. How can one confidently rely on certain verses if the overall integrity of the text is in question?

[@drygimangdrminjak8177]

​@@CrystaLiesthats what muslims believe, doesn't mean its true

[@drygimangdrminjak8177]

​@@CrystaLiesalso, John 5:19 doesn't say God isn't all powerful, it says the Son is nothing without the Father. It's referring to the Trinity. How many more verses did you twist or just not read?

[@Tmathh]

the fact this video exist at all is amazing

[@AngelusEchoes-f6v]

Why would he need to be crucified to be a prophet?

[@gardevoid8412]

Because he died for our sins to be forgiven through Him.

[@CZYProdigy]

@@AngelusEchoes-f6v because he claimed that he would be. If it didn’t happen then his prophecy was wrong, making him not a true prophet

[@YourLocalNihilist]

I really hope these comments are one big elaborate ragebait since there's no way people actually believe what they posted here

[@Vinicius_Muller]

Your a nihilist, of course you dont understand faith, also, go find some terapist for the depresion and anxiety problems that you probably have, trut me, will worth a try buddy.

[@drygimangdrminjak8177]

cope

[@YourLocalNihilist]

@drygimangdrminjak8177 I literally said "hope" in my post, which would automatically make it "hopium" and not "copium." Uneducated, as always.

[@Justsafi.xoxo2349]

Real cuz I refuse to believe people actually think this way

[@drygimangdrminjak8177]

@@YourLocalNihilist cope harder

[@HodgePodgeVids1]

Islam is just more successful Mormonism

[@notbry1812]

Facts lol

[@TestifyApologetics]

I'm glad Joseph Smith wasn't more popular and didn't have a doctrine of Jihad.

[@HooDatDonDar]

@@Faithexplorer4376 I did. It is supposed to be ‘struggle’ or ‘make an effort’ against evil and so on. That is Greater Jihad. The variety of interpretations of Lesser Jihad, or just war, over 1400 years in many settings is a complex discussion. Much of the contemporary misuse of the term “jihad” may be dated to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when stateless actors began to claim the right to declare jihad. In Islamic tradition, there is no theological or political basis for this claim. Radical and extremist groups appropriate and misuse the term “jihad” to give a religious veneer to their violent political movements and tactics. However, if you point this out, they will kill you, and shout ‘jihad!’ Islam is as Moslems do.

[@cucumberboi945]

From the way ur speaking I don’t think u even know what jihad means.

[@crossbones5428]

@@HooDatDonDar the way it was explained to me was inner and outer struggle. Inner struggle being the struggle against temptation, against greed and lust and anger. Outer struggle being the struggle against those that would persecute you for your faith. There is also a different term for fighting to spread the faith, but I can't remember that term.

[@BossDoogles]

Or why would God/Allah transcend Jesus up to heaven without Dying if he wasn’t more than just a man? Do all Muslim prophets skip the death part?

[@Saltybird7652]

Seeing one religion saying the other one is fake as an atheist is actually rlly fun and I enjoy my time here

[@hxroshii193]

The amount of people that doesn't respect eachother religions is crazy😮

[@DiamondHoe]

Ikr like why are we doing this

[@starrrysky7]

everybody so mad 😭

[@F0oz]

Ik

[@razz9431]

EVEN the old testament talks about the coming messiah being cruzified...

[@mohamedsabeeh]

So basically you said that Quran and Islam were false based on what the bible says ( which the Muslims don’t believe in ) and a prediction that written in the Bible and not found anywhere in Quran? Make this make sense. And why would Jesus Christ say during his crucifixion “ oh god why you abandoned me “ if he really wanted to die ?

[@SafanKhan-s1w]

exactly also isnt he god so why would he be asking himself why did u abandon me

[@AmericanActionReport]

The Quran version of the story also doesn't fit the martyrdom of ten of the twelve disciples, the two exceptions being Judas and John. It would have been reasonable to expect those disciples to ask themselves, "Why should I die for a lie when Jesus Himself took the coward's way out?" If only for that reason, the Quran is suggesting is an absurdity.

[@user404notfound3]

How do I condense the proofs and still show you that Jesus(pbuh) didn't die on the cross, that's my dilemma. I'll give a go and we can always elaborate Insha'Allah. We have to start with some context. Background Jesus(pbuh) had started to gain quite a following due to the miracles he was performing. The ruling Jews at the time, the Pharisees were worried about their positions and as a result, Caiaphas the Chief Priest said the following: John 11 [50] Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. [51] And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; It was not God that said Jesus(pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions. Another thing to understand is that the Jews had a habit of challenging their Prophets(pbut), and we see this with the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) too, when the Jewess poisoned the food in order to see if the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was actually a Prophet. There are many Prophets(pbut) that were killed in the bible with Zakaria(pbuh), the father of John(pbuh) being case and point. Likewise, they have in their books: If a person is hung, it is a sign that he has been cursed by God according to the Bible. Deuteronomy 21 [22] And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: Notice that in order for one to be put on the cross or a tree, they are guilty of committing "a sin worthy of death". Think about that for a second in relation to Jesus(pbuh), because the next verse is extremely important in relation to how God views this person on the cross/tree. [23] His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. The one that is guilty of a sin worthy of death, should be hung, and his hanging is a sign that he is accursed of God. So horrible is this person that one shouldn't waste time and they should bury them that same day so not to defile the land. Imagine, their dead body is such filth that thy pollute and dirty the land. That's how horrible that person is. What they wanted to do, is get rid of Jesus(pbuh) and if they were successful, in their eyes, he was not really a Prophet and therefore justified in their actions. The Prophets(pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus(pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross. Jesus(pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die Jesus(pbuh) knew what they were planning and as a result went into the country side. Keeping this in mind, Jesus(pbuh) gave the people his most greatest miracle, a sign of his validity as a Prophet. Matthew 12 [39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: The scribes who were sent by the Pharisees to look for dirt on Jesus(pbuh) ultimately asked Jesus(pbuh) for a sign. Jesus(pbub) said take all other signs off the table, except this one, mother of all signs. [40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonas(pbuh) through out his ordeal was alive and never died. In the sea, alive, in the whales belly, alive, regurgitated onto the beach, alive. Just as Jonas(pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus(pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died. Remember, if Jesus(pbuh) ever died, he fails his own test. This sign wasn't hidden considering he openly told the scribes, which means his disciples knew of this as well. Who was really on the cross and what happened to Jesus(pbuh)? Not many know this, but there were two Jesus's in Pontius Pilate's custody. Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) and Jesus Barabbas. Matthew 27 [16] At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[b] Barabbas Pontius knew Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) was innocent as the Bible states: [18] For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him. None the less, the Pharisees had told the crowd to ask for Jesus Barabbas to be released. But which Jesus was released and which one was on the cross? The bible gives us hints. Remember the people there at the cross obviously thought they had crucified Jesus(pbuh), and therefore he looked like Jesus(pbuh). But take a look at what happens on the first day: John 20 [14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Mary went to the sepulcher looking for Jesus(pbuh) but couldn't find him. But look at the verse above. She saw Jesus(pbuh) but didn't know it was him. If anyone could pick Jesus(pbuh) out of a crowd, it was his disciples and close companions, yet she couldn't recognize him. He even spoke to her and she couldn't recognize it was him until he mentioned her name. Further proof that Jesus(pbuh)'s face had changed is provided on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24 [15] And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. Jesus(pbuh) approached his two disciples, but look at what the Bible says: [16] But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. They didn't recognize him because his face was changed. They walked and talked with Jesus(pbuh) and the whole time they didn't know it was him until they sat down to eat. Just by observing his way of eating, they knew it was him. [30] And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. [31] And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. If the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross through it was Jesus(pbuh), Yet Jesus(pbuh) didn't look like Jesus(pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus(pbuh) on the cross. Which means someone else who looked like Jesus(pbuh) was on the cross, where as the real Jesus(pbuh) who didn't look like himself was else where. You have to die to be resurrected Now onto the fact Jesus(pbuh) according to himself, never died, therefore was never resurrected. Look at what Paul says: 1 Corinthians 15 [13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: Here Paul is establishing that according to his belief, Jesus(pbuh) was resurrected. This is the belief of majority of Christians. [14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. If Jesus(pbuh) never died and therefore never resurrected, Christianity as we know it today is false. He further says this: [17] And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Now lets look at the characteristics of a resurrected body given by Paul. [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. We live having a natural body, but when we are resurrected, we have a spirit body. This makes sense considering if someone is beheaded, they are not raised with their head separate from their body. They are raised whole, considering their spirit was not beheaded. Now lets look at Jesus(pbuh) own statements about whether he had a natural body or a spirit body after the crucifiction incident. Jesus(pbuh) proving he was not resurrected, therefore he didn't die Luke 24 [36] And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. [37] But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. When Jesus(pbuh) visited them, they having heard the incidents of the crucification and now actually witnessed it, thought Jesus(pbuh) had died. Hence when they saw him, they thought he was a spirit. But look at what Jesus(pbuh) says to them: [39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Jesus(pbuh) still had a natural body, which can only happen if he never died. He further proved it by eating: [42] And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. [43] And he took it, and did eat before them. Because a body that is resurrected, a spirit body does not need food, it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food. Further proving that Jesus(pbuh) never died, and therefore was never resurrected. Jesus(pbuh) was not on the cross, considering he didn't look like himself and the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh). Then we see here, that if you are resurrected, you won't have a natural human body, you'll have a spirit body, therefore would not eat food. Jesus(pbuh) proved to the disciples that he had a natural human body, which means he was telling them that the never died, therefore had never resurrected. Again, the proof is all there, the problem is no one really reads what is being said.

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This is pretty much all wrong. "It was not God that said Jesus(pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions." Yes, God also said that he should die in the bible, plenty of times. I can show you them if you want. "The Prophets(pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus(pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross." That is not how Prohpets work, plenty of them were shamed and cursed. "Jesus(pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die" No he said the exact opposite lol " For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonas(pbuh) through out his ordeal was alive and never died. In the sea, alive, in the whales belly, alive, regurgitated onto the beach, alive. Just as Jonas(pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus(pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died. Remember, if Jesus(pbuh) ever died, he fails his own test. This sign wasn't hidden considering he openly told the scribes, which means his disciples knew of this as well." Being in the heart of the earth literally means to die, and if you read Jonah it also says he died "I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of *Sheol* I cried, and you heard my voice." Sheol is the land of the dead. "If the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross through it was Jesus(pbuh), Yet Jesus(pbuh) didn't look like Jesus(pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus(pbuh) on the cross. Which means someone else who looked like Jesus(pbuh) was on the cross, where as the real Jesus(pbuh) who didn't look like himself was else where." You are forgetting the part where Jesus tells them about how he died and he shows them the scares from the crucifixion. The bible says they didn't recognized him because he was mared beyond recongizability. "Because a body that is resurrected, a spirit body does not need food, it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food. " A spirtual body does still eat food, that is stated frequently in the bible.

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​@@briandiehl9257 Caiaphas' Statement vs. God's Will Claim: "It was not God that said Jesus (pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions." Counter: While Caiaphas did state that it was expedient for one man to die for the people (John 11:50-51), the New Testament consistently portrays Jesus’ death as part of God’s divine plan. Jesus himself spoke of his death and resurrection multiple times. For example, Jesus said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life" (Luke 9:22). Prophets and Shame Claim: "The Prophets (pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus (pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross." Counter: Many prophets in the Bible faced shame and persecution. For example, Jeremiah was mocked and imprisoned (Jeremiah 20:7-8), and Zechariah was stoned to death (2 Chronicles 24:20-21). The suffering of Jesus (pbuh) was part of his role as the suffering servant prophesied in Isaiah 53, which includes the statement, "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain" (Isaiah 53:3). Jesus' Prophecy of His Death Claim: "Jesus (pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die." Counter: Jesus explicitly predicted his death several times in the Gospels. For instance, in Mark 8:31, Jesus says, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again." The Sign of Jonah Claim: "Jonah (pbuh) throughout his ordeal was alive and never died. Just as Jonah (pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus (pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died." Counter: The comparison to Jonah (pbuh) is about the duration of time spent in a place of death and darkness. Jesus’ statement in Matthew 12:40 is understood as a prophecy of his death and resurrection. The reference to "the heart of the earth" symbolizes being buried, and Jesus being dead before rising. Jonah’s prayer from the belly of the fish (Jonah 2:2) mentions "Sheol," a term for the realm of the dead, indicating a metaphorical death. Recognition of Jesus Post-Resurrection Claim: "If the person on the cross looked like Jesus (pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross thought it was Jesus (pbuh), yet Jesus (pbuh) didn't look like Jesus (pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus (pbuh) on the cross." Counter: The Gospel accounts state that Jesus’ disciples didn’t recognize him post-resurrection due to a change in his appearance (e.g., Luke 24:16). However, this does not imply a complete unrecognizability but a glorified form that could be revealed. Jesus showed his crucifixion scars to his disciples to prove his identity (John 20:27). Nature of Resurrected Bodies Claim: "A spiritual body does not need food; it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food." Counter: The Bible presents the resurrected Jesus eating food to demonstrate he was not merely a spirit. Luke 24:39-43 shows Jesus eating in front of his disciples to prove his bodily resurrection. A resurrected body in Christian theology is a transformed, glorified body, not merely a spirit but a physical body that transcends normal human limitations. The counterarguments provided demonstrate that the New Testament portrays Jesus’ death and resurrection as part of God’s divine plan, fulfilling Old Testament prophecies and Jesus’ own predictions. The recognition issues post-resurrection highlight a change in appearance, not a different person, and the nature of resurrected bodies includes both physical and spiritual elements according to biblical texts.

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If you still believe that Allah is god then remember that God himself called Jesus God

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When did god do so? There are records of Jesus rejecting prayers aimed at him and insisted to pray to the omnipotent diety (We call him Allah, you call him The Father)

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@@ibrahimchishti6297 If Jesus reject your prayers,that means you're praying for the wrong thing

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@@Imnotangrylilbro You misunderstand. Jesus never claimed to be god, he only wanted people to worship Allah ( The Father) not himself.

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@ And there,even your so-called god called Jesus God

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@@Imnotangrylilbro once again, when did god do so?