The Cult of Camdan Jerrard Davis

[@princesskittyglitter]

why does it feel like in the first 2-3 minutes of this we've already learned more about camden jerrard davis than in like 6+ hours of mamamax content

[@sarahrogers1271]

And we’re actually shown interviews and literal evidence. Tom doesn’t mess around. Also that Max guys voice makes me physically ill

[@z-daysurvivor8309]

i am a bullfrog and i approve of this statement

[@reallawless]

I learned more in the first 30 seconds

[@bluedistortions]

Because Mamamax is a lazy fraud in this for his own gain, and it's amazing people didn't pick up on that when he was first caught faking content and bullying people to support him. Later interviews showing he didn't even know the most basic relevant laws to cases he pretended to be the champion about for years, and just asking chatGPT for all of his "research" was that "sounds about right" moment. Saying his lies about death threats, lies about catching people, was raising awareness by speaking from an alternative dimension where pedos ruled the world and he was the leader of the rebellion, and KZbin was just too dumb to understand this, was the sprinkles on his borderline personality disorder cake. How can anyone support him?

[@baayala45]

Cause max was doing this shit for money and clout

[@iterativegrowth]

tl;dr - terminally online high school drama with some particularly fucky details gets picked up by the only real vampire in this story: a clout vampire.

[@operationmisanthropia5831]

That entire drama perfectly summarized

[@Accurate_Vision]

Indeed. I had a really messy relationship when I was a teenager and this sounds exactly like that, right down to the Whisper and Kik stuff. It just SCREAMS highschool drama that they never grew out of

[@moonsigil]

it's all so cringe 😭😭 this was so hard to listen to

[@Pastafari4]

Spencer just really loves cult leaders be it a edgy poly one or a megalomaniac who thinks he has a cult of personality

[@ptrd4111]

Perfectly said

[@Mickatsuki]

This is the most coherent telling of this story and I still don't know what's going on.

[@Astra_Dystopium]

Bro I know 😂 like wtf are these girls talking about? Out of nowhere they will be talking about werewolf lore like it's real life.

[@soccerchick1]

@@Astra_DystopiumStephanie Meyer destroyed an entire generation lol.

[@mikeoxlong1395]

@@Astra_Dystopium Blaccula went grrrrrrrrr into the camera... that's as far as i understood.

[@ButcherGod]

A moron lied and now wants to blame an ex for their being a liar and an idiot. There I summed up "Spender" for you. She's a dime a dozen "MeToo" liar who wants to be the victim, when they are in fact the guilty one. Never believe any victims who don't report their cases immediately and with evidence.

[@OneUp-18]

​@@mikeoxlong1395 Blaccula? More like Count Chocula

[@Child_Dog]

Spencer saying 'That was just a whole fuckin' Wattpad thing' is an unintentionally perfect summary of a lot of this.

[@accidentallyamy1063]

Especially when she uses names of characters straight from Law & Order 😂😂

[@JeepnHeel]

I had a hard time following this, but I'm starting to get a sense that NONE of these people were werewolves

[@charliedalfall1408]

DUDE SPOILER! smh hahaha

[@alpaca6462]

No no no I saw the video he's REALLY powerful and scary

[@annipsy2185]

You have proof bitch?

[@Scarlettfeverdreamofny]

Plot Twist They Are All Teenage Vampire werewolves angel goddesses who are all pregnant in an abusive poly relationship and none of them graduated Hs

[@thegrimharvest]

​@@Scarlettfeverdreamofnyso...reddit/discord mashed up with wattpad?

[@laz7777]

This all sounds like some brain-dead high school club drama. It seems like they had some online club for nerds into Twighlight, there was some infighting, and two members with BPD made up a bunch of garbage.

[@eldritchhorrorwithwifi]

Most sane discord group:

[@milesmeralis5334]

Yes thank you lol

[@amethyst0ne]

This the most accurate TLDR of the situation

[@Squanklor]

This seems to be exactly what happened.

[@IronLordEXO]

High school? Bro, I knew people like this in COLLEGE. Freaking crazy

[@flippamaghettiyt9120]

Still can't believe Max's downfall all started because a guy pretending to be a werewolf god ran away with Gorlock the destroyer

[@AIA2637]

Gorlock 👹

[@morri5923]

Not Gorlock😂😂😂😂😂 fking ded

[@narlowemcfarlowe2952]

he probably led her away with a van saying "free my chemical romance merch" lmfao

[@drumworkoutstuff4934]

Blackula and Gorlock...still better than Twilight.

[@cluckinbelI]

Nah bro gorlock is crazy 😂

[@KaeInTheFridge]

Spencer: so yeah I had to be quiet and stay hidden every day from his parents Also spencer: *describes WWE match where Camden becomes the hulk and lobs a giant stone pot, all without parents hearing or wondering where the 60 pound giant vase went

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

LMAO

[@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028]

To be fair, it is easy enough to assume that the WWE match happened while the family was away.

[@ammagon4519]

It's the werewolf powers man

[@hunterashton673]

I get the feeling she def fabricated some of her story.. not excusing the dudes action at all tho

[@KC-bg1th]

@@hunterashton673 Yeah, she absolutely is. A stone vase the size she’s describing weighs like 100lb, and she’s talking like he’s picking it up like you would in Zelda. 😅

[@summerlynn2639]

Spencer wasn’t ever pregnant, I don’t think it’s possible to have 4 miscarriages in four months. It takes 4 to six weeks to even show symptoms

[@JustArtsCreations]

Yeah this whole thing is a farce

[@IchigoDeFolie]

It's VERY VERY VER improbably. Stranger things have happened but I'm not very inclined to believe her and im pretty sure she just had her period once a month for 4 months LMAOOOO

[@Waterenthusiast888]

​@@IchigoDeFoliebeing overweight and malnourished (if we're to believe her stories of being starved) could all lead to irregular periods and stomach issues, aka the only reasons for her thinking she was pregnant

[@WhiteTulip2002]

Yeah, her description of the timings for all the pregnancies and miscarriages don’t really add up. Also, is it just me or was there come contention as to whether they were miscarriages or abortions? I seem to remember that from Tom’s last video

[@arturzinurov4781]

Well and don’t you need to have a procedure done after a miscarriage to avoid complications? I am not a doctor nor a woman but miscarriage implies that something is there it just didn’t make it right? So I would think you would need to get it out.

[@deepstatethrombosis]

Oh, this guy is actually real? Mamamax fucked this up so bad that I thought this guy was completely fiction.

[@marlondavis9450]

Ain’t it crazy how he couldn’t do one video right on a real person

[@KerReeeee]

Real person, fake "cult".

[@ZeroDim]

​​​@@KerReeeeeeh seems like it was a real cult at least from where I've gotten into the video but it seems like it was way over Dramatized parodied to fit into MamaMax's weird delusional super pedophile cults running the world and a resistance called the children ran by him fighting back this Camden does seem like a weird delusional cultist that convinced Gullible people around him into following his cult but it's nothing like how Max explained it

[@panickedshears]

I thought Camden was just an actor. All of it is just so absurd it sounds like a really bad ARG

[@EighmyLupin]

Real person, who used to date spencer, dumped her, and nows shes trying to ruin his life. All the "cult" shit is just shitty online roleplay

[@Treppy_Gecky]

I love that Kiwi Farms won't stop calling Camden "Blackula" lmao

[@Tehrawrzorz]

He looks like Cory from Cory in the House lol

[@bluemariomedia8351]

I swear that sound like a name from a 90's sitcom

[@hyperion3145]

The Dark Lord

[@_deepcalm_]

@@bluemariomedia8351it’s an actual movie

[@satisfied656]

At least there are no "crimes against children" involved!🤔Just weired people who lied and abused each other...🙄

[@kryptonrockz]

The moment she went "When he saw me protecting my stomach with my hands, he went even harder" is such fanfic material that I literally couldn't take anything else she said seriously lmao

[@studdedleatherlace]

Spencer calling another girl complicit after recruiting for him is CRAZY.

[@Mynameisnotcollin]

That part is crazy. Especially that her current perspective is still that way, and she isn’t even framing it as how she felt at the time or anything. The mental gymnastics

[@dumbfoundedkiryu9468]

Its crazy she thinks we believe should climbed through the window without shaking the houses foundation

[@studdedleatherlace]

@@dumbfoundedkiryu9468 And she's never "lived off saltines" a day in her life.

[@essgeecee4366]

💀

[@essgeecee4366]

💀💀

[@lodude5]

"I didn't want to tell the police because i feared the situation involved super natural forces beyond their power.... and the would get my parents involved" This is the funniest sentence anyone has ever said.

[@chyennewhisman7166]

I agree

[@bonnerin0]

The whiplash is INSANE

[@HenryCovert]

She definitely had things in perspective.

[@earthz-4099]

The part of how they just hide the SDcard / the phone files to protect the guy is funny too. If he is your God, then any regular human can't unsubscribe the guy. How a regular human can beat a God, this is not a video game holy shit.

[@TheIdiotsAreTakingOver]

Shit I'm glad you commented this; I thought I was a shitty person lol.

[@TooManyBones]

She's super buff and all, but...if she picked up a 200 pound man up and threw him into a wall, maybe he did transform her into a werewolf.

[@bluedistortions]

Another telltale sign of a narcissist liar. Extreme victimhood to extreme heroics, back and forth, forever.

[@cumcumcum148]

Sounds like something from rp bs where people write in asterisks extremely cringe stuff

[@N..P..]

​​@@cumcumcum148*says something gay and cringe* *oh and uwu or something*

[@cumcumcum148]

@@N..P.. *bites your asshole* UWU sowwy, I hope it doesn't hurt *bites your asshole again*

[@cumcumcum148]

@@N..P.. I am sorry. That was very vile, but the thought about that made me laugh so hard

[@mylom8397]

Camdan basically figured out that BPD girls with a tragic addiction to twilight fan fiction will do pretty much do anything you want them to.

[@FamugGumaf]

if only it was real

[@vanillabatcave5677]

he cracked the code.

[@tylermckillop2339]

He flew too close to the sun.

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

LMAOOOOOOOOO 😂🤣💀

[@misao6397]

Too bad they're ugly as sin.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

"I was missing my period." Yeah, a diet of nothing but saltines and malnutrition will do that to ya.

[@imjustroleplaying]

Periods are WACK They do want they want when they want, it's the worst

[@HorsesArePeople2]

Malnutrition? Look at her, girl is built like a 1996 Ford Bronco 😂😂

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@imjustroleplaying Especially werewolf vampire periods, apparently.

[@Maxximum1488]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquidwerewhale

[@TooManyBones]

Assuming her claims are true, she was absolutely malnourished. Clearly, she beat that shit a long time ago.

[@NoUseForAName06]

Biggest sign that Spencer is a habitual liar: in her stories she ALWAYS needs to be seen as a victim but she also always stresses how she outsmarted the people who ab used her and she always gets one over on them in the end. Sure, camdan was manipulative and cruel, but he was also a total pushover whom she beat up once he pushed her too far. Sure, the nurse in group home was mean, but Spencer owned her when she didn't know how to turn on a phone. If anyone has seen the case of Sherri papini, it's very similar to this. People like that need to be seen as victims to garner sympathy but they also want the admiration for being brave and standing up for themselves.

[@aaronasissoard1098]

This is exactly my sentiment towards her story no matter what I’ve never seen someone talk so nonchalantly about their abuse and SA there is always some type of emotional response but her completely devoid of emotion

[@thelastmotel]

What do we really know about Camdan beyond what she has claimed? Nothing she says is believable, so why should we believe what she says about him?

[@vikeif]

And It is always an SA. Everyone she met that was male just SAed her. Like it feel like a bad lifetime movie where the female lead is is just a magnet and everything with a penis is evil. SA is serious and bull like this is what makes it so much harder for actual victims to come forward.

[@dpacula63]

Yeah I felt that way too. I don’t wanna discredit SA victims but it feels like every interaction she had in her story lead to her being SA’d. It feels a little fishy. And they are just random people too, not Camden. It feels like she just wanted to be a general victim not get Camden caught.

[@e.c.winner7252]

BPD

[@rhettorical]

This is a striking example of why parents need to be more involved in their kids' lives.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Kinda hard to do that when you have people like Spencer who more than likely had a normal family life but was acting like a little shit because her parents didn't let her do destructive shit and she labeled them as abusive.

[@StrawberryCocoaPowder]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid not a defense of spencer, but bad home lives are usually the reason why kids get involved with these dumb destructive groups

[@soccerchick1]

Or that certain people shouldn’t be parents.

[@charminglady2011]

This story basically supports why the men and women in the younger generation refuses to have children. These young people needed protection and direction, didn't get it, now a huge mess.

[@buffystar3]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquidFrom how manipulative Spencer seems, 99% of the time it’s a result of a bad home life. I have no idea if her parents are abusive & I don’t want to speculate, but she had to have learned that behavior from somewhere at a young age

[@jackblack3718]

Part of me can't help but think this is just some petty highschooler drama that got blown out of proportion.

[@nman551]

Or a roleplay group that takes stuff too seriously

[@HarpsiFizz]

That's 100% what this was.

[@Leigh-says-stuff]

@@nman551reminds me of the FFVII House.

[@LunaRogers-nu6xp]

​@@Leigh-says-stuffbut worse, yeah.

[@TwilightWolf2508]

Tbh it really comes off as "girl ran away from home to be with internet boyfriend, realized it wasn't fun living with him and his parents, regretted it, then went back home and claimed everything was abuse to escape responsibility." It's hard to say without hearing both sides, but it's really hard to believe most of her claims and allegations. They just seem way too far fetched to believe that all of this abuse, assault, and beatings were going on in his parents home without anyone hearing or noticing.

[@alef0811]

Sad Turkey Tom had to do Mamamax’s job for him

[@otisj185]

I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.

[@moufronn]

moufronn

[@otisj185]

I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.~

[@otisj185]

I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.~

[@otisj185]

I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.~

[@StarBlue42]

There's no way there were actually "hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of victims" that's an insane amount.

[@cumcumcum148]

You know. How can he possibly be caught? He have more money and connections than Epstein. FBI can't touch him because of his powers

[@404SCUM]

rl i laughed when she said dat. can not take her serious 4 shit

[@SeriousStriker]

Yeah if there was actually that many people that went to Georgia that got SA'd by Camdan, it'd be a national news story.

[@StarBlue42]

@@SeriousStriker even if she's talking about like sexting, that's still an absurd number, and no one has come forward with screen caps?

[@Zach-qo1on]

i don’t think there’s even 1 victim

[@alandotson6388]

I don't believe a single word this woman says, I've known people like her my whole life. If she isn't in drama or some kind of chaos she isn't happy. Always has to have something happening to her.

[@casadilla111]

Yeah. I’ve been around a few of these myself, there’s absolutely nothing you can do but avoid them like the plague. It’s always something catastrophic and they’re always super strong for powering through it and being a better person every time, while also being a perfect victim.

[@jse_illustrations]

always gotta be the victim to justify how fucked up she is

[@hellthehedgehog]

God I had to deal with so many people like that in High School, so glad I don’t deal with anyone like that anymore

[@PotatopancakesOMG]

Reminds me of my ex, I remember when I opened up to her about being abused as a teen and she made it about her and I had to console her

[@lorishu48103]

The kind of woman lies even when telling the truth occasionally and accidentally

[@JeepnHeel]

Gonna tell my kids this was Teen Wolf

[@dlilwon]

😆😆😆

[@DibzzehM8]

Hahahahah

[@lilmickey1168]

Could also definitely pass as vampire diaries just as much bullshit and drama

[@PaceMKR]

The funniest part is that Camden is a huge dork larping as a Vampire, and Spencer is SKETCHY as hell.

[@amusingmoose9924]

A vampire werewolf god

[@Gchildwarrior]

​@@amusingmoose9924 A 2 in one god 😱

[@Raidoven]

i imagine Camden's voice to sound like Steve Urkel LOL

[@SecuR0M]

Spencer wanted Camden's sexual werewolf energy but he just wanted a friend. ☹

[@valmoon4095]

Spencer strikes me as someone who has the intelligence of a chicken and will believe literally anything someone tells her and will say whatever keeps eyes on her

[@drjekyllmshyde]

Spencer comes off as so disingenuous. Also, as a doctor, she absolutely did not have that many terminated pregnancies in that short a time frame and certainly not by vitamin c and cinnamon.

[@ZeroDim]

Couldn't the missed periods be explained by malnutrition mistaken for pregnancy? She is obviously disingenuous and this story is definitely fictionalized and over Dramatized but it seems at least partially rooted in reality

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@ZeroDim Yes, you can mess up your period if your diet becomes fucked which with the whole 'eating only saltines' thing, would be the culprit. I've NEVER heard of orange juice being s trigger for a miscarriage consider that vitamin C is something that is WELCOMED while you're pregnant and he was just making her drink ORANGE JUICE, not like....OD on vitamin C supplements or something.

[@EighmyLupin]

@@ZeroDim If by "reality" you mean "A Wattpad story" then yes

[@ryanfonte3460]

but werewolf babies can be aborted with cinnamon. Sorry sweaty, but the facts are against ur doctorate

[@ZeroDim]

@@EighmyLupin rooted as in there is some truth in the story or it is based off of something that actually happened from what I can tell it seems like some of this did happen but it was a lot more tame than the Wattpad story Spencer and Max cooked up

[@mrselfdestruct7605]

I think the most heartbreaking thing about all of this is that it seems almost 100% true that Camden was definitely a serial abuser who dated and abused all of these women and used the RP and Supernatural/twilight craze to create an ERP group to get vulnerable girls, and Max and possibly Spencer decided to manipulate the story into being about a massive pedo cult with all these insane things happening and basically destroyed these girls reputations and ability to get justice for what they did go through. Spencer dragged everyone else through the mud to pretend it justified her own abusive behavior towards them during the timeline and to benefit financially off of everything, and Max jumping onto it thinking it would be a massive success for his film career and probably to pretend that him covering this case magically absolves him of his own history of similar abuse and manipulation towards his own exes. They both used a shared abusive relationship among these girls for profit and gain

[@ohhadivist]

This exactly. So fucked up.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

The fact we still know more about Spencer's shady shit than Camden's is amazing.

[@EighmyLupin]

I mean the evidence the police got made it 100% they were lying about him, so idk why you'd come to that conclusion other than "men=bad"

[@ZeroDim]

Exactly

[@tpbunghole420]

No I bet it was just metoo garbage from a angry piggy.

[@JuddKramer]

Spencer: "We have evidence, but we won't say what it is." That about sums it it, doesn't it.

[@BettiePagan]

Wendigoon voiceover threw me off so hard LMAO love how this dude pops up as a cameo unexpectedly every so often

[@kennyh2698]

Oh my god I was just listening than *sudden Wendigoon* I picked up my phone so fast 😂

[@mintyskullz]

The way my brain went "WENDIGOON⁉️⁉️"

[@strangemarmalade2481]

No fr tho!

[@nugybugy0816]

I lov wendi, it was a bit of a jumpscare doe fr 😭

[@luckxxterra2132]

Wendigoon is goated

[@iswordlogici7760]

Moral of the story, don't give gullible teenagers with mommy and daddy issues cell phones

[@TheBritColl]

This. People saying these people are dumb for believing the vampire stuff but not realizing Camden literally targeted, “kids who want to run away.” Most kids don’t seriously want to run away unless their home life is already messed up. Likely most of them have previous abuse, possibly physical or sexual. That on top of being. 12-16 and highly impressionable.

[@Jolis_Parsec]

@Thebritcoll Bruh, don’t even start that nonsense again. We already went through that with Spencer and Max the first few times around, and until I see some actual evidence supporting these accusations, shut your stupid face. 🥱

[@Fitzness1]

@@TheBritCollmy little sister is 9 years old decently online and nowhere near this retarded. This is neglected stupid and overweight child looking for acceptance anywhere they could get it. It comes down to actually having an attentive home live

[@Bree420]

the problem is the one who gave them those issues are also the ones who gave them cellphones so like..

[@lpc9929]

What this. What is video what happening. Exit

[@jbainbridge22]

The way Spencer is so nonchalant about having someone try to kill her is suspicious to me and every thing that happens to her is always at an 11 out of 10, every single thing that happens with her seems unnecessarily dramatic. Those AI pics are terrible.

[@markg2514]

And somehow no evidence for an arrest.

[@themcrib7920]

The AI stock images were pretty distracting

[@jbainbridge22]

@@themcrib7920 very strange looking indeed.

[@TecTitan]

@@markg2514 There's literal points in her story when she's talking about showing people "evidence" or events that she had friends present for. Why is she not showing us that "evidence" or having those supposed imaginary friends show up to tell us they actually did witness the things spencer says they did?

[@yummystar1102]

Yeah the AI pictures didn't need to be added

[@Valincio]

The most traumatized Spencer sounds in this whole video is describing when Camden made her diet and exercise.

[@rajrambhajan6773]

Damn! 😂

[@driadoe]

I mean... Just look at her. She looks like the type to lie about literally anything for attention. They ALWAYS look the same.

[@nothobbesmufc949]

she actually sounds upset he kicked her out of the cult. then talks about how she escaped......she didn't escape? getting kicked out means there was nothing to escape from.

[@christianmarshall9289]

@@driadoe I don’t like to judge appearances too harshly but unfortunately you are 100% right

[@chopsandtoots]

​@@driadoeaccurate. I can think of two people I personally know who look like this and are complete pathological liars because they just crave attention 24/7

[@Frost467]

Crazy how max couldn't explain his own case for months yet tom was able to summarize it in a little over an hour

[@XxSTACKxX]

Well max is actually really stupid. I’m betting he tried to use chatgpt to put the timeline together

[@ZeroDim]

​@@XxSTACKxXyes

[@DuskSkullin]

Max needs to add some stupid voiceover and referencing hotline Miami while flashing images of SniperWolf and Critikal loool

[@milkyeyez34]

i think the only reason max made it more vague and scary than it actually is was cuz he already promised spencer hed make a video on it, thats prolly why he just rambled and didnt show anything and just linked to the podcast.

[@matthewskinner6626]

This story is basically what you get when a group of middle school dropouts and social outcasts take a large amount of acid and write a story about their high adventures.

[@drewbakka5265]

Seriously. This is like Jupiter the Hybrid levels of rants

[@GrimeDweller]

No seriously wtf is this story, it feels like it was made up along the way, just seems like a bunch of teenage girls fighting over a guy and they somehow turned it into this big ordeal

[@chrism4008]

This is the type of story people who never did drugs came up with

[@BettiePagan]

Final Fantasy house vibes

[@playablecharacter3871]

This is only funny if you don't know anything at all about acid

[@lovelybones8179]

As a woman (and mother) who knows basic anatomy, Spencer did NOT have back to back micarriages with no medical intervention. Its not possible. And women dont just lie so flippantly about LOSING A CHILD without having serious behavioral problems, including compulsive lying. All of us women with half a brain knew Spencer was lying the minute she opened her mouth. Its actually disgusting. And dont give me that " oh she just misunderstood her cycle" bullshit. Spencer is a grown ass woman who knows better. Even if she didnt kno THEN, she knows NOW. And she's STILL pushing this lie for victim points. God its so gross!

[@Notor-seriously]

Ive known a girl just like her for 8 years. She was my best friend. Believing all of her stories that are always so full of gory and disturbing things was so much for 14 year old me to handle.. it was a lot. To this day I wont believe a single word that comes out of her mouth, even if I want to believe her so badly. I just cant.

[@liriodendronlasianthus]

She definitely knows, because she suddenly claimed to have PCOS when asked about her lack of D&C.

[@RailfoxStudios]

I’m surprised how little everyone is talking about how calm she is. Like, people process grief differently, but I don’t think a single person on earth could go through this level of abuse and trauma and then just talk about it like it’s nothing. It’s like she’s talking about the weather or something, there’s not even a crack in her voice to indicate she’s holding back tears. She doesn’t even sound like she’s numb about it, like some might expect from someone whose been through insane abuse like this, she’s got the inflection of someone talking about how it rained a little yesterday in the middle of summer. I have been through some rough stuff myself, including SA, and even though it was long ago now and I have generally grown past it, I still find myself crying sometimes over what happened. I’m not healed, exactly, and I don’t think I ever really can be, but even though it’s been more than a decade, I can still find myself breaking down when I think about it too hard. I’m repulsed by kids and never want to have them, but even I would probably never talk about a miscarriage as casually as this.

[@lovelybones8179]

@@RailfoxStudios Great point. I would add that you called out the exact reason why no one believes her, even without all the fake miscarriage nonsense. Experts say that 80 to 90% of communication is nonverbal so we're all looking at HOW shes telling this story before even processing her weird ass timelines and unrealistic scenarios. THEN when we think about what shes saying, we've already all but dismissed it because her tone and body language are screaming "IM DOING THIS FOR ATTENTION LOOK AT MEEE". TLDR: Bitch doesnt pass the vibe check 🤣

[@hxr717]

​@@zogwort1522your voice cracking is kinda like going into falsetto, doesn't have anything to do with the vocal fry

[@prod6mill.512]

The craziest thing is that A GIRL WHO GRADUATED COLLEGE was believing this stuff, supernatural wolf alien sex whatever. But him calling women cheaters is where she drew the line? 😂

[@dubpl8s.666]

i just got to that part and im genuinely baffled a college student falling for this shit lmao. she also talks like a fucking 15 year old high schooler, not a college graduate lmfaooo

[@misao6397]

As a college graduate... it ain't what it used to be. You have room temperature IQ people getting degrees because they're diploma kills at this point. As long as you show up you basically pass.

[@Sleepingpillsandcaffeine]

I mean, to be fair, if someone who might be delusional (for example), they can sound like they really believe it. And if that person tells you stuff like that over and over again while being really manipulative, you might actually believe it too, no matter how smart you are. Being intelligent ≠ not being easily manipulated.

[@HallowedOstelogist]

Shoko Asahara's cult had a majority composition of college to university educated individuals, being intelligent doesn't necessarily mean you aren't easily led on.

[@nekuro5548]

​@@HallowedOstelogist Being intelligent just means that they can rationalize their beliefs better. No one is immune to falling for dumb shit

[@OddShapedHead_Phil]

This sounds like delusions of grandeur by a Twilight Saga fan.

[@Starkplatinum]

Literally

[@aureliesophie5093]

Hahahaha xD so true. Every girl in in this story is comicly dumb af

[@playablecharacter3871]

With a twist of Supernatural. "Ishmael" is a borderline illiterate kid's attempt at an angel name, they don't know about Moby Dick cause they couldn't get through 2 pages of it

[@everythingiscatchingonfire]

1000%

[@victhehampter]

The way Spencer talks about all this seems more like chatting about a break up rather than talking about the dark topics of SA and miscarriage. There’s something so sketchy about her and everything she says. I’m sure that Camden is a creepy weirdo but Max and Spencer trying to turn this into a “huge pedo cult” is insane. Max is a narcissistic selfish weirdo and Spencer is a self righteous very suspicious individual.

[@Sheffdawg2305]

She said she had 4 miscarriages on 4 months, that should be reason alone to not believe her.

[@victhehampter]

@@Sheffdawg2305yeah that’s just not possible. It sounds like she’s trying to make everything sound extreme as possible - ie with the miscarriages thing or with how according to her everyone in the world was SAing her right left and centre

[@jazg275]

@@Sheffdawg2305ikr, it literally takes on average 6 weeks or longer after pregnancy to get your menstrual cycle back, it’s like astronomically not likely at all to get pregnant and miscarry 4 months in a row

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

​@@jazg275Also she didn't even take a pregnancy test, which is how most people find out so early into pregnancy. She claimed she knew she was pregnant because she was very tired, hungry and I can't remember the other vague symptoms that could have been related to a hundred other common ailments.

[@rudycory1721]

and she also winked at Max every time she talked about her breaking up Like- is she now Max's 5/6 girlfriend?

[@paixamourchanel9084]

You can’t call every decision you regret SA. She is describing consequences of terrible choices she is making on her own with another idiot.

[@Kanaleah]

I know a woman who would tell her husband, "get me drunk or we're not having sex" regularly when he wanted any intimacy. She eventually turned around and accused him of getting her drunk to take advantage of her and SA her. She included all those times that she demanded to get drunk knowing it would end in sex. But literally everyone remembered that, so no one took the SA accusations seriously. Because honestly she was just eager to dump him and look morally righteous doing it before she moved on to another man she was having a secret affair with. Said man she was having a secret affair with was a known abuser.

[@enough2715]

​@@Kanaleah source?

[@gloverwilliams]

@@enough2715 Source? Source? Source? Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source. Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion. No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence. Do you have a degree in that field? A college degree? In that field? Then your arguments are invalid. No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation. CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION. You still haven't provided me a valid source yet. Nope, still haven't. I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

[@RuinedComedian]

@@enough2715… it’s an anecdotal story? Why tf you asking for a source.

[@mattthespyd3r969]

​@@RuinedComedianpay no mind. He's an idiot.

[@_FaceMelt_]

She actually expects ppl to believe she had 4 miscarriages within months, can dead lift and throw a 200lbs man above her head, has 4 GF's that all want a love triangle with the Twilight larper, immediately gets SA'd by the first adult she comes into contact with in every state, can lie her way onto multiple buses that drive her outta city and state limits. BRING THE ASYLUMS BACK

[@KaylieBoschet]

The one part that is believable is the love triangles with a larper. You wouldn't believe how weird/nerdy people get around. They're having more and kinkier sex than most 'normal' people.

[@lovelybones8179]

Dont forget she was able to abort her own fetus with cinnamon and fucking orange juice. Who tf actually believes anything she says at this point? Jesus christ its hilariously stupid

[@_HimToo]

The 4 pregnancies in 4 months is what got me. No pregnancy tests, and knew she was pregnant because she was sick and missed her period, so she'd need to be @ least a month into each one. Impossible! Wait a second... based on the # of pregnancies & the time span, it'd mean she didn't have her period to whole time. So how did she know it was multiple pregnancies & miscarriages, instead of one pregnancy & miscarriage?🤔

[@defundhollywood3259]

" immediately gets SA'd by the first adult she comes into contact with in every state," For real. My mom ran away from home and I always tell her how lucky she was she didn't get human trafficked by the bikers who picked her up. They treated her like she was an infant (she was super naive). I'm not saying you won't get SA'd if you're a young person on the streets, but EVERY DANG TIME? That's sus.

[@MayorGoldieWilson825]

Yeah when a woman claims she's been SA'ed it should be looked into immediately as it should, but when a woman says she's been SA'ed by every single man she's ever come in contact with it should be clear that red flags are waving. And that the person isn't probably the most sane and rational person. The chances of you being SA'ed by every male encounter especially when you're 500 pounds of butter fat stuffed into a human sausage casing the chances of anyone SA'ing you in every start you visit is astronomically low. Like non existent.

[@evanmarschand9930]

I can totally see Mamamax falsely copyright striking this video, even though it's exactly what he originally wanted: a large channel covering the details of this "cult". And this video manages to do what Mamamax couldn't accomplish over multiple confusing, cringy, convoluted videos spanning over 10 hours.

[@Gchildwarrior]

Peak irony if that happened

[@jessiescholten9119]

He won't he is not that petty

[@rollingvice]

​@@jessiescholten9119he probably will claim that this is what he wanted all along. making drama to make the story spread. all according to his plan. something like that. seeing his ego

[@rexvectum]

I don't think he ever really wanted this to happen lol. I'm not even convinced mamamax believes all this shit to be honest with you.

[@t-yoonit]

I don't see him doing that. This is exactly what he wanted. A large channel doing the work for him. I can see him being extremely critical of it because it probably makes him look even worse (I haven't watched the whole way through yet) and he might claim this video is victim blaming or defending Camden.

[@strangerofthe2067]

WE FILLING UP THE PISS JARS AND GETTING OUT THE CULT DURING THE FULL MOON WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@rnpee]

WE LIFTIN UP 60 POUND STONE VASES IN THIS ONE‼️🗣️🔥🔥

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

JARATE!

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@rnpee YABA DABA DOOOOOOOO!

[@yosutzuhruoj]

Piss jars are a staple of every good story

[@MasonShmason]

Piss jars used to be an actual witchcraft thing, they're still digging them up back east, but idk why people brag about doing it like 😂 keep it to yourself fam

[@animalhalo5984]

CGD is such a mastermind that he planned all this out to Traffic Hundreds if not Thousands of girls through his moms house while living with her and his brother but didnt think to get the money before selling illegal images. Believable

[@HarpsiFizz]

All while he was still in high school.

[@rafanatoc]

Favorite parts are the AI generated images and trying to figure out exactly which combination of “black dude” and “fat white girl” where used to create them

[@strangerofthe2067]

😂😂😂😂

[@linstar9172]

lol

[@rowrat7014]

"black guy with two women by his side, smiling, blonde, brunette, canvas image, forest bg"

[@aromata1]

@@rowrat7014 dont forget "fat"

[@dennisnordlund902]

Haha so I wasn’t alone in that 😂

[@riley1410]

People need to take her claim about her LURING MINORS FOR SEX more seriously. If that is the truth, she needs to be in prison NOW. Also, shame on her for taking all this money that is supposed to help her and the other victims, and then basically letting Kai and her baby starve and beg for money on Facebook. Shame shame shame. What a terrible situation

[@theroachden6195]

Yeah I caught that. I wonder if that was the reason she got booted. Camden found out and despite being a creep he may not actually be a pedo. He learned what she tried to do and booted her. Then went to go check on the girl. Idk

[@drewbakka5265]

Its very likely to be a load of bs like the rest of her tale

[@DirtyMarauder]

If a victim helps victimize others they are no better than the abuser

[@greengoblin876]

​@@DirtyMarauderVirginia Giuffre

[@applesauce1230]

literally talking about the r**** incident with a 13 year old and her "trying to cancel the uber" i'm calling the fucking police in that incident and the way she talks about it is remorseless if this shit actually happened i think she holds no self accountability which is kind of disgusting to me

[@pinkanimositygaming]

Spencer’s story reads like one of Onision’s shitty self insert novels. It’s incredulous. Not to mention that she says the officer she went to was Officer Fontana after she talks about being a fan of Law & Order. Joe Fontana is a character from Law & Order. Xylie pointed that out. I don’t trust Spencer.

[@Notor-seriously]

Omg that's so fucking pathetic and kinda really funny?😭😭😭😭😭 what the fuck😭😭😭😭😭

[@neonhalos]

holy shit i didn't know about her being a fan of law&order... yeah that's absolutely hilarious then if she was just ass-pulling the name from the character of det. fontana lmaooo

[@accidentallyamy1063]

Oh shit good catch!

[@UlcerousAxis]

Don't forget that there is also an SVU episode about a werewolf/vampire cult too.

[@slayerplaysgames446]

Sound like she reading a script

[@zameion90]

I like how she is responsible for connecting him to a underage girl and the only thing she has to say about that is how that makes HER feel. Thats about the only thing i believe in this. "Like literally"

[@chloeep9329]

Meanwhile saying some other girl is "accountable" and "must have known something was wrong" 😂

[@nothobbesmufc949]

@@chloeep9329 that bugs me so much. she tries to paint the other girl as Ghislaine Maxwell and it's like "no bitch it's you!!!"

[@Toanleigh]

Well, these videos are about how "bad" someone was to her. Don't get that confused with how someone was "bad" to people in general. ;)

[@CapcomGod]

I can believe Camden is a creep, and guilty of cringe-- but I believe more that Spencer and friends created a series of allegations beyond the reality. I believe Spencer is more culpable than she lets on, and a lot of the allegations started with a very, very messy breakup.

[@Tehrawrzorz]

Yeah, face tattoo was a red flag

[@CapcomGod]

​@Tehrawrzorz whenever someone says "and all i can remember" during an alleged moment, a seriously traumatic memory like fighting off your abuser, is a huge red flag to me. I work LE and survivors of SA we interview who are compliant with investigation can recall every moment down to smells even way in the future when suspects are brought in for identification.

[@Moribundruins]

This is not me defending Spencer because there's already been lies she's been caught in, however it is a trauma response to block out certain memories or even an entire part in your life. I think it's important to recognize both, "all I can remember" can be fishy but it can also be completely valid. However speaking specifically about Spencer, there were some parts in that initial stream where she had "I remember omg" and it really did not read like she forgot from trauma, it was all kinda bad acting.@@CapcomGod

[@Kepesk]

@@CapcomGod I've heard the fight or flight response makes the brain take in as much information as possible to better make survival decisions, but I'm not a brain scientist nor have I been in your line of work.

[@zombievac]

Spencer is someone who seeks perceived victimhood, to then wield that as a weapon against others… including minors, because she’s also a pedophile, by admission.

[@sub-harmonik]

I pity any police officer that has to deal with this 'so your rapist convinced you he was a vampire and was in a polyamorous relationship with you and your friend a year ago, is that correct?'

[@Sheffdawg2305]

Also he dated another girl just to make you jealous?

[@talullah1065]

"oh and you helped him by luring pre teen girls to his house so they could be sa'd too?"

[@ammagon4519]

Now it's even more freaking confusing than before Can we go back to the time where Mamaboy is threatening to send Reaper Leviathans on Cummin's house or something?

[@StallionStudios1234]

This is a cake walk compared to some of the other messed up stuff they have to deal with. I know a guy that used to be a homicide detective. It messed him up, especially when it involved kids getting murdered.

[@sub-harmonik]

@@StallionStudios1234 I'm not saying it's the worst crime ever, just that it's 'wild' and cringe

[@Tehrawrzorz]

The fact Spencer keeps bouncing from person to person while always being the victim is suspect

[@mattlel3194]

Yeah, and the whole “I didn’t think it was sexual assault until much later” is super sus to me too. She doesn’t seem like she has very much reliability as a narrator

[@hyperion3145]

She also managed to throw her abuser through a wall and admitted to luring victims...

[@arena_sniper7869]

@@mattlel3194Tbf many people don’t realize the piss poor education there.

[@TheGuardianssorrow]

@@mattlel3194When she said that, It made me realize she just read the most basic information about rape victims to make up her story. Its common for victims to not remember or not realize because the PTSD prevents them from seeing the trauma. The way she talked about it was absolutely not how it actually happens.

[@ZeroDim]

I bet she'll turn on MamaMax in the future as well

[@brianwhitt5331]

One inconsistency in her story is that after she fought back and overpowered him he stopped beating her. Later she says he beat her the final time she ever saw him.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Bruh. Obviously Blackula went through a training arc to beat her one last time.

[@Toanleigh]

Hey, she had just had her daily rations of saltine and was thus loaded up on electrolytes...who knows the last time he fed on someone. ;)

[@nothobbesmufc949]

there's so many inconsistencies I actually missed that one! if you took a shot everytime Spencer testimony has an inconsistency you'd be dead from alcohol poisoning.

[@Novsev9069]

It’s interesting that Spencer was accused of stealing money from the Australian girl. And now fast forward a few years and people are once again accusing her of stealing.

[@igg7865]

that part was VERY telling to me

[@ruthvermeulen2098]

Spencer being forced by Camden to work out sounds like a 90 day fiancé episode.😂😂

[@largegroupofmales]

fishtank elimination challenge 😭😭😭

[@HarleyQuinnSoldier]

I don't see how forcing a baby elephant to work out is a horrible thing

[@eggZ663]

made me chuckle

[@lovelybones8179]

omg 🤣 Nicole and Azan/Twilight fanfic! Its brillant I tell you, brillant!

[@simpoly6929]

😂😂😂

[@loudradialem5233]

TLDW: only Spencer's words and no evidence.

[@Tkokat]

basically

[@tzvikrasner6073]

TLDW: MamaMax has never exposed a single predator and has faked his entire career

[@tzvikrasner6073]

Longer TLDW: Max would be a perfect Republican candidate, as he's accused everyone else of things he does

[@SirPumpkinSlice]

TLDw: I have no idea what happened because I didn't watch.

[@Jesei1211]

@@tzvikrasner6073Why make it political?

[@Subsaibot2526]

I swear to God these people always have a certain "look" about them.

[@TheFiendishFive]

That 500 pound look

[@bchin4005]

Self diagnosed miscarriages? Yeah, no, credibility shot right there.

[@rise-my-angel]

It takes most women a month to a month and a half to learn they are pregnant and her timeline would suggest that she became pregnant the exact day she would physically be able too and magically knew within a span of a few weeks when symptoms usually havent even set in. Also I mean the degree of beatings you'd have to endure to miscarry from THAT early would leave substantial harm that would require medical attention. That and she admits she didnt know for sure and was being starved at the same time, and the whole spouting the vitamin c myth, she clearly either is lying outright to make her story sound more harrowing or she is still this stupid 7 years after she maybe thought it was true at the time. Also her miscarrying at 3 months and not at all having medical complications from not seeing a doctor, after claiming shes had like 2 or 3 miscarriages already IS INSANE. She was not pregnant. I refuse to believe a girl who claimed to miscarry 3 or 4 times, still does not realize miscarrying at 3 months means you need to see a doctor. Miscarrying is not an oops not pregnant anymore ordeal, but she either knows that and is relying on other peoples lack of knowledge. Or she's fucking stupid. I've never met anyone who self diagnosed a miscarriage before, because it's a lie most women of child bearing age can sus out with basic logic. At this rate, girl probably thinks the vagina and urethra are the same goddamn thing.

[@trentonwilson5885]

Seems like a bunch of stupid kids got manipulated and is now airing out their dirty laundry

[@rheimy7819]

Miscarriages come with unusually large blood clots on dates outside of your period. Regardless, you can have an abnormal period due to stress factor. I think that she genuinely believes she miscarried, but cinammon and vitamin c definitely does not cause that.

[@dakotatotten5355]

My wife has had tubular pregnancy with twins and 2 other miscarriages that almost stopped us from continuing our endeavor of raising a human that hopefully doesn’t wait to long to turn at a yellow light and causes you to stress honk your horn after a long day . She was in pain both times and in major in lack of a male understanding of the situation ( discomfort ) ? Leading up to each issue she endured as I watched helplessly. There was signs we came to recognize and advice from the doctor about stress anxiety etc . They never in all the wisdom that was bestowed upon us warned us about doing the cinnamon challenge or doing communion with oranges . I think all women and even men that have had a pregnancy in a relationship heard what she said looked at each other and went 🤔 soooooo bullshit rt ?

[@Wintersgonee]

@@dakotatotten5355 men that have had pregnancies? Dude I understand that you wanna be inclusive but to legitimately think you are the opposite sex is a mental illness and nothing more. Yes they can transition and be accepted by their friends and family but random people shouldn’t be ostracized for stating basic biology. Men don’t get periods men don’t have uterus’s and men can’t get pregnant because they are men and saying that “men” can get pregnant totally discredits what women have to go through and live with in relation to pregnancy. Use your head not your feelings

[@Shatterstar]

MamaMax: This is STILL going on..which is why I'm pressing for urgency! Also MamaMax: *Puts the case on the backburner for years because he had other things to do, wastes time on doing click bait artsy bullshit videos, wastes time on live streams contradicting himself and debating SmaggleDaggle, wastes time demanding that KZbinrs do the work for him, wastes time on a documentary to shit on youtubers for not blindly just doing whatever the fuck he says, and wanting to waste time to sue Mutahar* TurkeyTom: Here's what we know in under 1 1/2 hours. Thank you Tom for all your hard work that Max couldn't be assed to fucking do.

[@neonhalos]

don't forget withholding "important evidence" until "the right time" or whatever the hell. if he actually had any sense of urgency, this shit woulda been sent out ages ago

[@aperson336]

To be fair, max did enter this with little to no existing evidence, whereas turkey was given most of this, max still mishandled it greatly. But credit where credit is due? I guess, not much credit to give max tho 🤷‍♂️

[@Necroxion]

​@@aperson336the majority of what Turkey had was from Max's evidence channel, so Max _still_ got the evidence before him

[@slaterlane8145]

Wendigoon going over the police docs was something I wasn't expecting Edit: Also holy shit Spencer is down right lying. There might be some small truths but all of her over detailed descriptions, over explaining, and honestly chippy attitude to something that isn't too far removed in time line wise. It's just crazy. And Mamamax just ate it up like breakfast. As someone who works with SA survivers. They are not this happy to talk about it. And also I would bet my entire career that if you asked her questions on Cam's physical attributes. She will only be able to give very basic things like dark skin. He is a little tall or whatever. For SA victims that are repeatedly SAed as many times as Spencer claims she has been. They would know very keen details of their abuser. Down to their fucking smell. We are talking any tattoos,, moles, birth marks, maybe a scar or maybe hair growing weirdly! Something! But to have nothing at all. It's just clearly she is lying her ass off

[@nassarihyman2864]

Okay I thought was crazy 😂

[@TheRomanX]

@@nassarihyman2864me too 😂

[@TheDonLemonSnickety]

I didn’t catch that! Woulda made this video less agonizing to get through.

[@SomeRandomDude788]

Who is wendigoon

[@rubymeaddle]

Tom was at Wendi's wedding, they're friends.

[@zazikikomo7796]

You fucked up now, Turkey Tom. Trifling with lolcows is one thing, but you've made a werewolf your enemy.

[@Glitter_H_Hoof]

word at the tavern is that leviathans are coming for him

[@zazikikomo7796]

@@Glitter_H_Hoof Can you contact Turkey Tom and tell him to line his doors and windows with salt? And to stock up on holy water. I'm worried about him.

[@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028]

​@@zazikikomo7796 wouldn't it be wolfsbane instead of salt? And, like, silver?

[@funnyWOMAB7048]

Nah look he'll want to surround his house in lemon juice and rolled up newspapers

[@AliceBowie]

Diatomaceous Earth will stop were-insects.

[@Robinjhoe1]

They did so much damage to this "case", its unbelievable. Even if you give everyone involved the benefit of a doubt, and believe what they say without questioning if it is true, none of it makes sense at all. I get that they say they thought they were in a cult, and cults like to burry a lot of messed up stuff, but the way spencer always tells the story like she was always already with one foot out of the cult group and had the morale high ground she never called the cops or did literally anything? The mom never noticed anything? Really? My parents could sense dirty laundry from the other side of the continent, but they dont notice a PERSON, with a piss jar and hasnt showered in days? Wouldnt the neighbors or the parents wonder why the side of their house smells like piss?

[@markg2514]

Did she not have to crap too? Was she doing that in jars? Like it's been a while since I've lived with my parents since going to college but I could even tell by the smallest noises how many people were in the house or who when my neighbors had guests over in the dorms. Camden also had a brother, did he not know that girl was living there?

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@markg2514Dear god, we don't need to think that. Spencer's ramblings is enough.

[@tacobanana6538]

Did you not know? Vampires lose their sense of smell when they turn. They probably couldn't smell the Day old urine.

[@mikeoxlong1395]

They didn't notice "hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds" of persons all of which, presumably, piss in jars.

[@EE-jp5ev]

I could buy her story if it was like a huge house or at the very least 2 story so there's some distance, but this was a single story 3 bedroom house by Spencer's testimony in the Muta convo. There's just 0% chance her telling of the story is completely honest. Something is either being lied about or withheld.

[@drewbakka5265]

Note that at no point was Max's claim that "Hundreds" of kids being enslaved ever happened, even if we believed Spencer 100%

[@ammagon4519]

Considering Max has been known to exaggerate stuff for the sake of "filmmaking", I doubt that's even true. Camden was likely a creepy shty ex-bf, but doubt an actual cult-leader with a big following. Thank you Mamamax for making this entire situation an entire comedy

[@drewbakka5265]

@@ammagon4519 the fact mamamax intentionally mixed film making with situations he claimed were real is beyond me "the story's are fake but the prededtor and pursuit is very real" makes 0 sense. Like what does that even mean? Is he muddling the waters to not get sued? Is he just a fool?

[@ammagon4519]

@@drewbakka5265 exactly, wth does he actually gain from purposefully fking up potential evidence for the investigation might use? Oh yea...💸💸💸

[@Glitter_H_Hoof]

​@@drewbakka5265 probably a little bit of both

[@TemplarLux]

@@drewbakka5265I think what he meant by that is that the “Hotline Miami” style skits and the schizo editing were fake but the parts where he’s actually hunting people are real. Thing is, as Tom’s previous video showcases, not even some of those are real. Or, at least, it can be inferred that some of the hunts themselves were entirely staged. Likely so he could LARP as “le p3do hunter.”

[@Papa_Garp]

"so then I single handedly deadlifted the minivan off that burning building full of orphans" Sure lady

[@KerReeeee]

Because "adrenaline".

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@KerReeeee The extra miscarriages gave her power.

[@TheDragonSeer]

​@@SuperCosmicMutantSquidlmao

[@dwideschrude411]

​@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid "I now have the strength of a grown woman and 4 little babies"

[@bigcimtheshit]

Easier to believe she threw a guy one time than consistently worked out

[@mcnultyssobercompanion6372]

Takes 3-4 showers before going to the cops then unironically records her alleged attacker's age as *216 years* old, born in 1800. That case was doomed.

[@stevendiaz5649]

Blackula rizzed up the entire mental ward.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

I notice a common tactic Spencer uses is saying something vague, adding "and everything..." On the end, then trailing off and refusing to give any actual details.

[@nothobbesmufc949]

she uses the word 'literally' alot too

[@jse_illustrations]

she also deflects any responsibility by saying "he told me..." he convinced me..."

[@outofpowder]

I watch a lot of police investigations and interrogations. Saying things like "literally" and "and everything" are considered qualifier statements. It's meant to sound more believeable when you are lying and its a red flag when you do it often.

[@highbread817]

​@@outofpowderRTC and JCS ftw

[@JoeWithTheHoesBiden]

she just uses words that overexaggerate everything without having to add any substance

[@Hanitcal69]

Her evidence: trust me bro. Her story is crafted to make her seem like a badass and a victim for all the clout points Edit: just got to the end and holy shit she’s handling all the money for the “case” hahahaha not just clout she’s trying to get that bag

[@CowToes]

Right? I cannot believe that his parents couldn't smell her hiding in his room.

[@odinson2273]

This right here.

[@bigk4026]

Yeah I don’t believe this and I just started. Seems so fake

[@Waterenthusiast888]

This, she's so insufferable. Even when she's talking about traumatic events it comes across like she's boasting

[@bluedistortions]

One of the things to look for in a borderline personality disorder narcissist is they go back and forth between the extremes of victimhood and heroics constantly, even where it doesn't make logical sense.

[@jackwoodbury5224]

Anybody else weirded out by how often they refer to each other by name in their text exchanges? It reads like wattpad dialogue.

[@neonhalos]

that's because it is lmao i feel like 90% of this stuff happened over wattpad and what she's describing is actually her RP logs. especially the whole "i was able to dodge under him and then pick him up and throw him against a wall" part? like that reads like someone's fantasy RP battle scene or something lol

[@theatagamer90]

Funny enough Wattpad plays a role in this enduring clusterfuck. I'm about 59% certain a large amount of this BS either occured or was initiated on Wattpad. Because all that dialogue looks like bad fanfiction writing.

[@CecilMcfly]

Mamamax: "Where the fuck did all of my evidence go?!" Spencer with a big evidence shaped belly: "*gulp* i don't know....." edit: I didn't create this joke so don't think i'm this funny

[@lilianbegue463]

☠️☠️☠️

[@jerrysmith8814]

ZAMN

[@dustingh]

Leviathans: AMBATUKAM!!!!

[@WillyNQ]

Ahh fat shaming, that’s totallyyy coolll Cecil

[@jerrysmith8814]

@@WillyNQ "muh heart disease"

[@shawntapley6733]

Spencer is absolutely lying about a lot, she's definitely the kind of person that depends on not being really questioned and just being believed

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

Those are good points . I want to know of the others and their statements . There could be potentially real victims in this. Could be . However, I don't know the truth to any of this. If all of this is truly fake and fabricated, this will not only hurt real victims of SA but also the falsely accused. Which is a dangerous precedent to set.

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

If more information comes forward to prove this is all false , then this will cause alot of damage . However, if it's proven there are real victims in this, I hope they get the justice they deserve. I'm on the side of caution.

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

I'm curious to also hear the side of the accused .

[@narlowemcfarlowe2952]

she's like pinnochio but instead of having a growing nose she gains a pound whenever she lies

[@riley1410]

@@foregroundeclipse8725I definitely think there are real victims, especially if the claims of literal 11-13 year olds being involved are true, which we have some evidence to back up

[@jamesinson3488]

There's two types of ppl attracted to a supernatural cult - those who believe in anything - and those who prey on ppl who believe in anything. I think both are equally represented in this case

[@hard.g0re]

This video and the ABSURD drama is a perfect insight to how it feels to be in the weird kid friendgroup in middleschool

[@JayDonagh]

Imagine how this dude feels knowing someone tried outing and publically cancelling him only for the person exposing him to end up being absolutely cancelled, called out and exposed.

[@victormurori4367]

Camdan is OP ngl

[@aegonthedragon7303]

He sent the leviathans 💀

[@chirimoyan]

the leviathans came 😈😈😈😈

[@tatetwar7792]

@@victormurori4367this got me laughing my ass off lol - also the fkin leviathans bruh

[@TBM_Spirit]

He's probably laughing his ass off.

[@arturzinurov4781]

I am sorry it’s sounds fucked up but Spencer’s story is so much it’s borderline parody. Every single guardian she ever had were abusive to her from her cousins to the people working at the orphanage and almost every single person she had been friends with had s aed her from her high school friend to Camden to some randoms at the bus stop. Look I am not saying she is lying cause I wasn’t there but holy macaroni Batman it’s difficult to belief that you had so much misfortune within like 2-3 years. Ps not to mention insane shit like Camden swinging 60 pounds vase around. 1) Where the fuck do you get a 60 pound fucking vase ? and 2) if you are ever in a gym pick up a 60 pound dumbbell and try to swinging it and tell me how that goes. Could he have been abusive and swinging vases at her ? Of course but the fact that she makes up these impossible over-dramatisations to her story are not helping the believability.

[@cumcumcum148]

Swinging 60 pound vase is like, ok. Manageable sorta (it's like 25-30 kilo, I can curl that) but god damn. According to Spencer she picked up Camden and threw him to wall. By her account like he was a sack of potatoes. And what she said, 200 pounds. Try pick up and throw 200 pounds log

[@lman9034]

@cum148 Well you're not considering the werewolf powers

[@hyperion3145]

Not only is Camden using his 60-pound vase like some kind of medieval weapon, but she throws him through a wall and that's it? Weren't they still in his mother's house? Does she not notice the human sized hole in the wall? How does Camden not decide to anything about it?

[@cumcumcum148]

@@hyperion3145 well she threw him not through wall but just at wall. But aren't walls in homes in us made from drywall? Not like outside walls. So the wall would be definitely broken

[@cumcumcum148]

@@lman9034 silly me. How could I forget that

[@AngeredHippo]

It's so fucked that real victims basically got their real story silenced by MamaMax. I know he didn't intend to fuck it up that bad, but it's so sad.

[@nanotech1921]

"if your a victim, don't go to mamamax" "if you HAVE victims, make SURE they go to mamamax" ~Willymacshow

[@slackerofhell]

That many miscarriages in a span of months makes me thinking a good portion of this is made up

[@JWo11118]

commentary community really just went "fine ill do it myself"

[@sinjin8576]

Several years from now when one of the actual victims gets justice Max will resurface screaming it was all because of his actions l

[@TheGuardianssorrow]

😂😂😂😂

[@EnterTheNameHere_Bohemian]

@@sinjin8576Or he will resurface as one of the predators.

[@satisfied656]

At least there are no "crimes against children" involved!🤔Just weired people who lied and abused each other...🙄

[@1337_bean]

@@sinjin8576yup. great prediction. he’s about as deep as Mt. Everest

[@waffie6785]

Max sat on this for 3 years. He didn't even bother pushing this to the law enforcement. Now we know why and Mutahar was right that they had nothing incriminating. Now he's going mental over this case which he is "contractually obligated" to take care of. He was truly way over his head. All this just to be seen as a ''hero''...

[@rudycory1721]

*contractually obligated by a text message/discord message to Spancer that he made with chatGPT

[@DatOneCat]

Max was never a hero. He was always a zero. A very cringe zero.

[@thegrimharvest]

Max an hero'd his channel for this? Oof.

[@Jonabob87]

Sorry he swung a 60 POUND VASE as a weapon but she was able to overpower him? What the fuck

[@ammagon4519]

Werewolf powers kinda gets you somewhere

[@outofpowder]

Yeah I just responded to another comment talking about all that. I put 60 pounds in a weight vest and tried to swing it. Wasn't a very good swing and I'm pretty fit. She don't know how heavy 60 pounds is

[@shubuman]

@@zogwort1522 that's stupid

[@nicknewaccount7536]

its like one of those chinese kungfu movies

[@tylermckillop2339]

He must have grabbed it by the silver part. Vases have those right?

[@jordanwhite8718]

It’s amazing that a crazy guy who believed that he was a vampire and werewolves managed to convince a bunch of teenagers to view him as God. I wish my mental illness was that cool. I just have anxiety attacks that caused me to say things that ends up, driving away all my friends and family. so literally the opposite of what he does.

[@ayok101]

This Camden is a freak, and probably a creep but im glad to see the rest of the comment section is looking at Spencers story with a side eye

[@DerPijO]

I hate that this guy looks almost exacly like me 😭

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

​@@DerPijO

[@DerPijO]

@@Sergio-nb4hj nooo 😭

[@mage2105]

​@@DerPijO leviathans are coming for you.

[@incw.2601]

​@@DerPijObro that is just unfortunate

[@Minority119]

by now I had actually started thinking this camden mf wasn't even real

[@e.c.winner7252]

Tbf, there’s still very little evidence that any of this even happened. CJD is a real dude, but it’s possible (likely even) that he’s just Spencer’s cringey vampire-werewolf larping ex boyfriend from high school who dumped her for being a psychotic troublemaker, and now she wants to punish him forever for that insult.

[@FamugGumaf]

@@e.c.winner7252 Poor guy

[@FamugGumaf]

@@e.c.winner7252 if that is true it is even 1000000000X worse with the public callout to camdems parents

[@doesthisIookinfected]

@@e.c.winner7252 It's sad that I started thinking this was the case as well

[@careyraymartell]

The "Leviathans" are almost certainly a reference to the TV show Supernatural, being the main antagonists for a whole season around this same time.

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

That show also had a massive following of fangirls on Tumblr

[@lorewhore4195]

How did I, a massive Supernatural fan at the time, not make this connection holy shit you're so right

[@Primal2229]

Picked this up in the last video, its only until the half way point Tom points out the DIRECT connection to Supernatural. They're all larping as if the show is real. Ironically further evidence the show should have ended after season 5 -_-;

[@lucca9896]

​@@ThatGuy-ky2yfOne of the recruitment post was made with a picture of Sam and Dean.

[@careyraymartell]

@@Primal2229 Yes, by the time I got to the end of the video it became abundantly clear this is a cult where the Supernatural TV show was used as the basis of its mythos. Up to including having a witch whose name sounds strikingly similar to Rowena. I would have been interested in hearing the finer details of this cult's ideology

[@michaelbelcher4096]

Genuinely how stupid do you have to be to fall into any of this, I will never understand it

[@michaelbelcher4096]

coming back after that 58:50 bit, this is the most batshit thing I have ever heard, like come on guys

[@thegrimharvest]

​@@michaelbelcher4096somewhere towards the end pretty well explains at least how it's possible. These are a bunch of teenagers from messed up families living with untreated mental illnesses and/or emotional issues, looking for escapism. Otherkin vamp-wolf "god" shows up on whatever they're browsing and offers them escapism via delusional nonsense via Tumblr Wattpad fanfic, but FOR REALS. Then mix in the whole "better family" schtick and you can probably lure in people through "roleplaying" into your private Reddit/Discord harem, and all you need, via lessons from Tate and Ep est ein himself is to convince just one woman and get her hooked, then use her to lure in other women. Which is more or less what she admits happened. She was convinced that he was her everything, so she'd do anything to keep him happy. She's as much a victimizor as a victim. There's grains of truth somewhere under all the fanfic Final Fantasy house dramatic nonsense, but it's hard to be sure exactly what any of it is, or how much of its not exaggerated, due to her being at best an unreliable narrator, and at worst a willing accomplice in the recruiting for the Supernatural wattpad fanfic "cult" and wanting to try to hide from owning up to her responsibility and culpability.

[@dubpl8s.666]

lmao fr like how can u be in high school believing all this shit lmao werewolfs, vampires how fucking stupid u gotta be to fall for this shit at 16

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

Depressed children do stupid shit but this is straight retarded

[@BrianLocke]

In fairness, there is no shortage of very stupid people on this planet.

[@dragonman7856]

The leviathans are gooning so hard rn

[@mikeoxlong1395]

God damn it...

[@millena_123]

RUN!!!!!

[@bengixd]

The leviathans are so powerful I feel them coming inside me

[@mikeoxlong1395]

@@bengixd And all over your back?

[@fishycoont5714]

After hearing max and spencer knew eachother for years before this, i thought back to his other videos and couldnt help but question everything he said. Then Nick made his videos with snippets of the call he had with max and mutahar, and now it all makes sense. Fuck sake. This guy is a piece of work

[@smang7866]

Oh em gee! This comment should be pinned because, right? Now with max as her beau, it won’t be long…

[@andrewgreen77]

Nick released the entire call on his second channel, shit's wild

[@noonyabeezniss4911]

Agreed Just wanted to also say that your name is top quality hahahahahaha

[@KillaMilla0513]

The girl talking in most of the video definitely sounds like she is making it all up especially with all the vocal fry she hassssssssssss going onnnnnn😂😂😂😂😂

[@metalmaster1224]

Spencer reminds me of a girl who dated my best friend. After they started dating we realized she had trauma from an ex she turned into a personality and CONSTANTLY talked about. Like some serious fucked up stuff. Many years later they break up after she was manipulative, toxic, and downright nefarious. All of the things she claimed her first ex did, she was doing to my best friend. Then, lo and behold, she starts claiming my best friend did those same things to her. Her mannerisms and way she told stories are almost EXACTLY how Spencer describes her experiences. Spencer is nowhere near as innocent as she lets on.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

She's a leftover Tumblr chick. There were red flags from day fucking one.

[@noonyabeezniss4911]

It's all made up.m8 She has no trauma she's just a nasty slimy sub human trying to make some money and fool people into supporting them, as it worked initially She's rotten to the core and was never innocent, she is vile as is max, they used grave and abuse as a.tool to enrich and make themselves look like victims and heroes they both deserve an unmarked shallow hole

[@amireal5458]

Looks and sounds like pretty standard BPD behavior. Met a handful of girls like this at Rehab, most of them diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. Im also diagnosed but being a male for some reason or another I didn't turn into a manipulative lying weirdo.

[@oliverslatter218]

Some people are actually so delusional that it is scary

[@nothobbesmufc949]

my uncle's ex-girlfriend did that about her ex-husband. When they were together he was a great dad, great husband, but as soon as he filed for divorce she started going off about what a monster he was. verbally, emotionally, physically abusive. Yet her own family told my uncle that none of it happened and some of her stories were verifiably fake thanks to their presence or the presence of her kids. She was just bitter he left her.

[@firasb.mokhtar2874]

38:42 Wendigoon is the kind of guy to appear from nowhere drop some narration lines and leave with a big smile

[@AdonAthletics]

Maybe the true cult was the friends we made along the way

[@otisj185]

I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.

[@tracyswrld6331]

Maybe the jerrard was the Davis we made along the way

[@otisj185]

I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way.

[@moufronn]

moufronn

[@sf9095]

Fucking a

[@JordanMayjor3p7]

"When things started not adding up..." STARTED???

[@Hehemann007]

Spencer just glows with duper's delight. The small smile in the corner of her mouth. Makes her seem dishonest and like a liar. Either she enjoys the attention or she is enjoying that she thinks she is duping someone

[@bluedistortions]

Strikes me as a compulsive liar. Always needs to be seen as both a victim and a hero. The tells you're noticing are probably as you describe. Compulsive liars often do it for no other reason than it's what they enjoy, it's how they get attention.

[@lovelybones8179]

Its very much both at the same time. I think there's little kernels of truth in there but shes exaggerated them to make it seem like its much bigger than it actually is. And of course shes being financially incentivized to share her "story".

[@applesauce1230]

there isn't a single claim she makes that for most normal people would invoke a disgusted expression that she isn't smirking while saying, she is either traumatized beyond repair or basking in 15 minutes of fame

[@nothobbesmufc949]

if you listen to her in the muta-nick deorio call you can hear her frustration and upset when they question her story. Her awkward phrasing and pauses on stuff she should know immediately to figure out how to spin it to her favor were facepalm worthy.

[@TheTrolledSoul]

Had whiplash hearing Wendigoon! This video did what I've been wanting from the start: actual discussion on Camden and if this is something that needs to be pursued. Thanks for the detailed overlook.

[@CZsWorld]

Why didn't you say "leave me alone" at the end?

[@rottingcatboy]

he only does that on the main channel

[@CZsWorld]

​@@rottingcatboythis is the main channel

[@lars8174]

He's lonely atm, and wants company

[@defundhollywood3259]

@@lars8174 The constant uploads on this channel definitely make him seem needy.

[@defundhollywood3259]

@@rottingcatboy Wtf this IS the main channel!! I'm getting confused.

[@MattnessLP]

Camdan's first crime was posting cringe. That video with the teeth filter almost made me implode

[@flannyfizzle9402]

There is a reason why MamaMax never made this kind of timeline for so long. It’s because there is no solid evidence and it’s all hearsay. There is reason law enforcement seems to stop pursuing the case, they know none of this is enough for an indictment, let alone, a conviction. Also the internet circus show that MamaMax and Spencer have created would kill any case the prosecution could have if law enforcement did and/or has any solid evidence. There is reason why you need to professional, trained investigators handle this kind of stuff and not go on vigilante crusades. MamaMax and Spencer killed any chance of justice, if there ever was one.

[@thecrustyargonianmaid]

Ok lab tech here that has done more pregnancy tests than i can count: 4 miscarriages in 4 months is impossible. Simplified version: Ovulation happens around the middle of your cycle, which is the time a woman can get pregnant. Considering that most women will not directly test if they are a couple of days late (it happens commonly without pregnancy), most women find out earliest 5-6 weeks from their last period, so a 3-4 week pregnancy .After a miscarriage your body needs to recover atleast two weeks before you can get pregnant again. Even if the stars align with your ovulation and miscarriage dates, its mathematically and biologically impossible to have 4 miscarriages in 4 months . Most miscarriages that happen in the first month actually go unnoticed by the pregnant person because its pretty much indistinguishable from a period You had a regular period cycle, Spencer.....not miscarriages

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Don't forget her 'forced diet' of saltine crackers and other super light meals. That alone can fuck up your cycle if you're not getting the right food and too little of it at that.

[@alpaca6462]

​@@SuperCosmicMutantSquidespecially if he was beating her like she claims he was...

[@thecrustyargonianmaid]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Listening to this for a second time because I was doing stuff and didn't pay that much attention the first time : SHE DIDNT EVEN TEST? IT WAS ALL SELF DIAGNOSED BECAUSE SHE WAS A COUPLE OF DAYS LATE AND WAS FEELING SICK? Yeah,that's not how pregnancy works. Some people get sick really early on, some people don't get sick at all and just because you felt sick during your first pregnancy doesn't mean others will do the same to you. It's not gonna be like in the movies " oh I'm a day late let's vomit the whole day to show I'm truly pregnant " Spencer...you just had periods. people miscarry all the damn time without even knowing it because it's indistinguishable from periods.... You can also feel sick from a heavy period....or just be sick at the same time you get your period,which happens a lot due to a lowered immune function during periods Also him "training" her body to reject pregnancy...? THATS NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS. This is why s3x-ed is important. And yes, you can get a messed up or complete loss of cycle from food deprivation, but that usually happens when you are emaciated, think pretty advanced an0rexia. I have to listen to this again, but didn't she say it was for a very short period of time? In the pictures she never looked emaciated. Even if it was for those 4 months, I doubt it would be that impactful on your cycle She may have had a couple of heavier periods that she took for miscarriages for some reason, but why would she assume miscarriage over a slightly irregular period (which isn't uncommon at all) without even having evidence of being pregnant in the first place

[@SecuR0M]

She's super fat though so I doubt she has normal anything tbf.

[@consuelonunez792]

The thing is, it wasn't a regular pregnancy... IT WAS A VAMPIRE WEREWOLF GOD PREGNANCY! (btw I love your username lol)

[@OCDsaster]

The AI generated image of the soda perfectly fitting in a McDonalds fries container fucked me up

[@masonaleman]

1:09:06 Lol, that's so hilarious

[@Bladedcloud6159]

...So Spencer lied, lied, and lied some more to the point when all of her house of cards built on lies massively fell on top of her. Smh.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

A full hour into this video, and I'm just now realizing that it's just a bunch of high school drama from the "weird kids" table in the lunchroom. Not the cool type of weird kids, either. Nay, the "weird-weird" kids. The ones that smell bad, you know.

[@RalphTho]

smell bad is accurate. But i always felt bad for those kids

[@RalphTho]

also the cool-weird kids were the ones into anime. at least they brought cool toys to school like pokemon cards, or beyblades these types of weird had a creepy aura to them

[@Theinfamouskira]

"He pushed the screen out, and i climbed in his window," Doubt.

[@dark2cody]

Keep in mind, while the mother was at work.......so even if she could...........why?????????? just go through the fucking front door XD XD XD

[@TheGreatK0rnholio]

@@dark2codysupposedly his brother was home but still sounds really stupid