The Curious Case of Amazon's Own New Tool Brand: Denali

The kit in question: amzn.to/3Ag5PSX We've added wrenches to our tool rankings: torquetestchannel.etsy.com
Torque, who started TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who don't happen to make combination wrenches currently, though you should always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
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[@larryphillips4164]

You guys skipped the most important test. The “original tool box test”, this is where you put all the tools in the box and then rattle the box around as if it were in a truck toolbox riding down one of the bumpiest dirt roads in Southern Alabama and then you lay the toolbox in the “ready to open, ready to work” position and open the box. If more than 3 sockets or tools have come out of its plastic holding then you immediately take/send the toolbox set back to where the hell it came from cuz even if the tools are great, if you gotta clean up sockets for 10 minutes and replace everything every time you open the stupid box then it’s worthless.

[@marcuszettergren8885]

Start by securing the box inside the car and you might save a bit of time.

[@Horseshoecrabwarrior]

@@marcuszettergren8885 Eh, that's a decent point, but sometimes the entire vehicle is the thing shaking, not just the box, so it's still a factor.

[@samholdsworth420]

@@marcuszettergren8885 some of those crappy tool cases will reorganize your sockets if you fart near them

[@jakebrake5776]

Facts 🤣

[@UltraGamma25]

Yes

[@Acceleronics]

I have never bought this sort of tool "brand" because I don't trust them. Thanks for doing the tests that show that I've been making the right call! Channels like yours prove that the Internet can be used for Good.

[@YTDumpsterBaby]

One thing to consider is manufacturer guarantee tho. Its a pain in the ass sending things back to the manufacturer when the retailer has washed their hands of the replacement guarantee. Amazon would basically make it much easier to get replacements

[@Wpjgdmtu]

@@YTDumpsterBaby if you go to hf and spend about the same you get a better built tool set that has a lifetime guarantee. Much easier to walk into a store and trade in a tool than having to mail things back and forth. Same thing with most major box store tool sets. Which companies have stopped their lifetime guarantee?

[@BrianOrEric]

@@Wpjgdmtu hf = harbor freight?

[@unitedgtaron5056]

@@BrianOrEric yes they have really good lifetime warranty but i think its limited to one per year if im not mistaken

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

While I have and do buy cheap, screwdrivers and some other tools for occasional around the house or light work, I would not and do not buy "comprehensive sets". Another good place for cheap screwdrivers is loaner tools.

[@AROAH]

Amazon continues its trend of finding a company willing to give it a cut of sales on an existing product in return for the Amazon’s Choice sticker. Was looking at shredders, recently, and found literally the same shredder as an Amazon Basics one, but it was $10 cheaper.

[@mediocreman2]

And good luck filtering through all of the sponsored junk to find the good stuff.

[@Senkino5o]

I really despise the way they do that. You look up anything on Amazon and you have to wade through hordes of expensive re-sellers only to discover the actual manufacturer either isn't on Amazon or like I said, buried. But all the re-sellers have 50,000,000 5 star reviews so I guess I'm wrong.

[@wolphin732]

@@mediocreman2 good luck trying to filter out junk when you want to just look on their site at all!

[@fltchr4449]

After noticing that the Amazon search engine isn't really a search engine I would figure out what I want independent of it and then check if they had it. Now I skip the going back to see if Amazon has it part. I turn to them when I can't find something elsewhere.

[@yzmoto80]

I’m completely finished with buying ANYTHING from Amazon that IS NOT a household brand name that has been making REPUTABLE PRODUCTS for a very long time. BUY ONCE-CRY ONCE ! There are no exceptions to this rule. There is a very SPECIFIC REASON the best products available cost two to three times as much as the other junk being pedaled by third party “Amazon- Made in China Importers”. Do your research diligently, choose your brands, purchase DIRECTLY FROM THEM, if possible. If your BRAND OF CHOICE is sold by Amazon, make sure it’s Prime, so you can return it free of charge if it’s a counterfeit 😎. I’m not talking about vacuum cleaner bags here my friends. We are talking about stuff that should last a purchaser’s lifetime. A WRENCH ! 😂

[@lprocter1982]

I'd love to see a TTC vs. Project Farm series - re-test things PF has done and either confirm or dispute PF's findings. And vice versa of course!

[@ulogy]

I'd trust PF more overall for real-world uses. No offense to TTC. (He's been around longer and tends to do more real-world testing that matters to me. Much as I'd like my extensions to last forever, I'm not putting a 1/2" adapter onto a 3/4" drive and beating the hell out of it when I just need to drive some bolts.)

[@Mike-sy6oy]

@@ulogy agreed 100%. Torture tests are cool, and absolutely interesting. But it's highly unrealistic that most people will ever put their tools through those types of conditions. Even PF has some tests that would never realistically happen to most people. Both channels serve important purposes and I love them both.

[@svn5994]

@@Mike-sy6oy PF diagonal cutter pliers video is the biggest joke of all time. “Cheap tool does better because it's soft and not hard unlike expensive tool” meanwhile he's trying to cut nails used for building housing studs with a tool that is only designed to cut copper and maybe 2mm piano wire.

[@albanana683]

@@svn5994 I think PF does a great job of presenting all the information you need to make your own mind up.

[@stevebabiak6997]

@@johncoops6897 - there is bias with PF. He recently tested some sort of clothing, and gave higher points for clothing that let air flow through more readily. I pointed out in the video’s comments that the better air flow would be nicer in warm weather, but in windy and colder weather the clothing that didn’t allow air to flow as readily would be preferable. I’m sure you know his typical reply, something like thanks for the comment.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

You don’t use the open end on a combination wrench to apply significant torque. It is the end you you use for speed. To apply torque use a six point socket with a torque wrench. If it just needs to be operationally tight use the boxer end. To break torqued bolts use the box end or again a six point socket. The open end of a combination wrench should never be used to apply significant torque. So this testing is how much improper use and abuse a tool can stand up to.

[@brucetec6597]

Thank you. Someone that actually know how to properly use a tool.

[@douglasburford8452]

As a heavy equipment mechanic for the past 50 yrs (now retired) I have many name brands in my boxes ; Snap-On, Mac, Matco, Cornwell. Different manufacturers have different specialty tools. I use my tools hard. I also have purchased many URREA tools and have found them to be equal in quality to the above popular names. I know, they are made in Mexico but that is better than China.

[@tacticaldorito3942]

Cheap tools are great on the farm. I’m sure they’ll disc under just fine. It all depends on how well the chrome holds up when it gets tilled back to the surface 3 years later.

[@alanelliott8106]

Expensive tools have same germination rate as cheap ones

[@TerryPullen]

LOL

[@vcookster3915]

My guess is the reason the opening sizes on the wrenches are higher than average is due to fewer layers of plating. Likely using the same forgings for some other set, but reducing plating to save cost. This should be evident in the future if plating starts to bubble/pit.

[@kyoopihd]

The value of this type of content on KZbin is immense. Thanks for all your great work!

[@galvanizedgnome]

Thank you. I will now cancel my amazon and support local stores and domestic made products. The future is looking bright.

[@mediocreman2]

Yep. I'm letting my membership expire for the first time in 10+ years.

[@truthserum9157]

Never hade a amazon membership, never will.

[@noelv1976]

Lol you don’t have to buy this, wtf.

[@austinwolfe7295]

In the words of Ave. "The sting of poor quality lasts long after the thrill of a "good deal" has faded" I would rather hurt a bit more for a good purchase than pay for it every time I use it. These cheap products have more similarities to a subscription service than an actual product 😂

[@timpenner7858]

"subscription service". 😆

[@bradhaines3142]

buy once cry once, great way to live

[@Joel_Train]

"Product or subscription service." I like it. I am going to borrow it and add it in the rotation with my old term, "disposable appliance." Some companies take pride in keeping the fish swimming up sh!t creek w/o a paddle, expecting us to come back for more. Other companies like to deviate quarterly after the "thrill of a good idea" has faded. Snacks for example: The original flavor was perfect. A new garbage flavor comes out quarterly or during holidays to get us to bite on an impulse buy. I have learned the hard way to ignore those and "dance with one that brung ya." There aren't enough pot head focus groups with the munchies at Frito Lay or Taco Bell that can whip up a batch of suicide nachos and convince me the new limited time item is better than the tried and true.

[@heathicusmaximus8170]

The perfect set to stash in the truck or car for when you need something in a pinch, and only in a pinch.

[@BigBear--]

Love the move to testing more and more non-power tools. Keep 'em coming. Would be great to see some ratchet tests comparisons. Particularly if you could take the heads apart and show the various internal designs along with the review.

[@officialshadetreeamerica]

I bought a cheap 3/4 socket set in 2004 for $30 at a local Big Lots and they are holding up like a champ. I even put them on a 1/2 impact with an adapter and they do fine. It goes to show you that cheap stuff is getting cheaper over the years.

[@VIP-ry6vv]

Excellent review. 1 star general is my new user name. Thanks! Too bad amazon removes my well thought out critiques due to "community standards". Community standards like having the same Chinese item being sold under no less than 10 different "brands" made up entirely by rolling ones face across a keyboard and then removing every other letter, all priced all within 23 cents of each other. Just like how KZbin will probably remove this comment because I used a no no word. (pro tip: it's Chinese) Edit: also I've been considering replacing my vintage craftsman with tekton, your tests have made me love my tools again. So, thank you.

[@trickvro]

Gotta laugh when people are like, "Woe is me, I'm gonna get censored, just you watch!", and then they're not. 😂

[@lassaut6794]

@@trickvro eyew to0b is well known for scensso ring comments that go against their agenda. Is this news to you?

[@pflaffik]

Chinese is not enough, need to talk about their social media that starts with W to have youtube delete your comments.

[@Acetyl53]

@@trickvro Because you're a fool who isn't paying attention. "teehee, look, everything is fine and you're just paranoid!"

[@tihspidtherekciltilc5469]

@@pflaffik W? Whinnie the Pooh or Wacefook?

[@timpenner7858]

Wow. Now this is what I call testing. Major kudos for diligence.

[@John-do9ei]

A while back an engineer friend who works for Amazon told me that Amazon has an algorithm that picks out popular items and they contract with the factory to re-badge their own versions of these items and then try to undercut the other supplier. There is zero thought about the item being usable. It seems like they are just trying to add branding to the equation to do this more effectively.

[@lprocter1982]

They can undercut because they don't charge stocking fees on their 'own' products. Grocery stores do the same thing - they'll charge, say, Nestle, to stock a product; but if Nestle makes a grocery store brand product (think President's Choice, Selection, etc.) there is no stocking fee. Hence the lower price.

[@Adscam]

@John Yes Amazon is using the consumer to do the market research for them to find a popular product and then Amazon goes in to undercut whatever brand. Holy shit how a is middle level company to survive facing this Amazon copying juggernaut.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

Basically everything I have ever seen Amazon Basics is just a rebranded product, but that's common with a lot of companies, not just Amazon.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

​@@lprocter1982 That's absolute nonsense lol. The cost savings comes from cutting out the profit margin and overhead of name brands. The grocery stores go directly to the manufacturer, and get their own products made, which completely cuts the name brands out of the equation. Stocking fees "charged" by the grocery store are still just paid by the grocery store, since they are the buyer, that's just their way to prioritize who gets stocked near the end of the isle, but in the end the grocery store, and then the customer, pays for everything.

[@user-cs1ne8gx9u]

Thanks for testing, It's always good to know cheap junk is still cheap junk.

[@pflaffik]

This isnt even cheap. Barely paid more for a Bacho kit that in addition has Swivel Joint Wrenches.

[@acehandler1530]

I really wasn't expecting what I found here - man, you know how to evaluate a tool! Impressed, good job. I don't recall seeing the Powerfist line on your list - is it off the charts??!

[@ronroberts110]

I used a grinder to "thin" a wrench to take off and put on bicycle pedals. it was metric (I forget which size, maybe 13mm?). that is the only wrench I ever needed to be thin. These look to be "bicycle grade".

[@mjodr]

"Park Tool" enters the chat....

[@silicon212]

Another important thing to remember is the pain factor using those thin wrenches - the thinner they are, the more like razor blades they feel against your fingers. Perhaps that's the wrenches method of self preservation? You'd never be able to put enough torque on one to slip it, before guillotining your own fingers off.

[@firesurfer]

The only time these wrenches will be useful is in small spaces, and then only if it's not that tight. Sometimes though you really need a thin wrench. I have bought wrenches that were extra thin, but they were usually expensive.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I really hope you go on and write reviews on all the tools you buy off Amazon so ppl who don't know about Torque Test Channel can benefit from what you've found and to outweigh all the fake paid for 5 Star reviews. 👍👍

[@avnut5517]

Essentially this is showing how reviews on Amazon are skewed.

[@Brandon-grant]

Love that you mention Project Farm. I’ve been following him since sub-100k and love his stuff. Interesting to see variation in testing!

[@LawpickingLocksmith]

Love your hardness tester! That Jerry screws everything could save so many phones by using a bit more modern approach! TTC for strength, PF for lubrication!

[@chriswatson7488]

I tested one of the 'better' cheap impact wrenches off ebay ($30 inc battery and shipping). The thing managed a very rusty lug nut... that was all, it died straight after that! 🤣

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

A $30 lug nut, great deal lol.

[@chriswatson7488]

@@bobbygetsbanned6049 For $30 it was either try that or get half a gallon of gas! 🤣

[@badcampa2641]

For 30 bucks Amber Heard would come around to suck it off

[@radish6691]

I used to be in the Vine program. I got in because I wrote a lot of reasonably thorough reviews, not because I was popular (I wasn’t). There is absolutely no pressure to write a positive review or give a good rating. Vine members can choose from everything that’s available to review, though you can only have 4 items pending review iirc. I’m no longer in the program because they kicked me out for not reviewing products, it got old after a while plus kids and divorce kept me bust 😆. I finally remembered to check the Vine page and found this message: “Your Vine account has been closed for not meeting our program participation criteria. You will still be able to view your Vine reviews and Vine order history but will no longer be able to request Vine items. We encourage you to continue posting unbiased reviews to be able to participate in the program again in the future.”

[@BMUU666]

YES! It would be great to see you test socket adapters/extensions for impacts!

[@greywolf2809]

Yea Foreal thanks for using your resources to show us all the real facts. We appreciate you.

[@ianphillips2443]

Nice job, as usual, you get what you pay for! Cheap tools have their place, i.e. if you only need it for 1 job and it survives, great, if you need to depend on it, pay more! Now videos like yours can help inform our choices, but I tend to stick to my older Snap on, Britool, Gedor, etc. even these companies are cutting back on their previous quality to hit a price point now. Thanks for the great content.

[@h8GW]

Snap-On IS on the trend of cutting back on their old quality, but I have doubts it's for them themselves to hit a better price point.

[@mjodr]

1:30 First thought that came to mind "It's Amazon, they want to save on the shipping weight." Has nothing to do with quality considerations, lol. I used to deliver 53' trailers to Amazon warehouses, you would be surprised what they sacrifice for a few pennies. It adds up, they are massive.

[@Modine.]

Name brand adapters from your favorite colors at the hardware store. Good one! 😆👍 My favorite color is yellow 💛

[@jefftucker9225]

I usually try and balance price to performance, I usually never buy top of the line, but somewhere in the upper mid range

[@djoir]

I would like to see you start doing more reviews these types of toolkits vs the others on the market. Aside from your great tool specific data points, I would love to see your take a a rating system for "first apartment tool kit", "starter mechanics tools", and "a good kit to throw in the car/truck".

[@cablenowadays6586]

same. I have a craftsman set pretty similar to this but it’s also got 1/2” stuff in it. I’ve never actually used it yet because i’ve never broken anything on my jeep in the trail but it’s there when i need it.

[@DeadKoby]

I brought my little "Screwdriver impact" to work on the car with the adapters for sockets. I didn't/don't expect it to torque things well, but once you break it loose, it will walk bolts out and in with speed.

[@georgeferlazzo7936]

Hello again TTC Thank you for another Great Video. And thank you for warning us about this one. Keep it real and honest!!!!

[@maxjordan2625]

Itd be cool to see all the adapters testes!

[@curtishorton6163]

🤣

[@brucetec6597]

Slim wrenches are very useful when working on cars. I purchased a set of thin wrenches for tight spaces

[@amneziaxeaster-gaming382]

Everytimes I want to buy new tools I look for your channel if you already tested it! And as always at the end of the video I'm a 100% sure of my choice

[@johnwebberley6710]

Watching this makes me glad all my tools are 40 years plus old except my impact driver and sockets, older stuff was made to last

[@joshyingling]

It’s interesting that project farm has such different results, It seems there is a QC difference depending on what hut the tools come out of. Seriously though I’ve noticed that some times deWalt impact bits fracture in a few uses, vs some I’ve had for years.

[@zeqprime1054]

just by looking at their products online compared to others, you can see how they devoted all the money to branding, while keeping the tools below mediocre quality. Thank you for confirming what their own photos of the product show. Goes inline with Amazon brand, cheaper knockoffs of good brands while charging high prices. Kind of sad, they could easily dominate the market by making quality products and saving/making the profit on the distribution/sourcing sides, not on the saving of materials/build side of the actual product.

[@texasboy2005]

Great job! I enjoyed the testing very much!

[@kevinmcewen1760]

I've always viewed the "basics" line of Amazon products as just that, about as cheap and bare bones as you can get. However, they're not always the cheapest and there are other "same price" or similar priced items with a lot more quality. it just seems to be amazon making a profit for themselves as best they know how. cheap out on everything possible and sell it for cheap. they'll get enough sales to make some money off it. Sad Amazon branded items tend to be close to the bottom of the barrel when they've got enough money and know how to make great value products.

[@ashkebora7262]

That's capitalism, baby! It distinctly _does not_ produce the best quality products, even with heavy competition... It produces the _most profitable_ products for the competition... and profit is not quality going out the door.

[@connorjones1485]

@@ashkebora7262 it does and it doesn’t. Big companies often go like Amazon and Walmart and go for cheap but high volume route, but plenty of reputable companies go high quality-high margin and lower sales. It turns into an either or proposition, they’re going for two totally different consumer markets. You can maximize profit by customer retention, not just by minimizing cost.

[@ashkebora7262]

@@connorjones1485 Except you're missing the part where bulk sellers make A LOT more profit than low volume sellers. The bulk sellers like Amazon and Walmart can temporarily directly compete with quality, undercut on prices because they don't HAVE to make a profit on the higher quality stuff, and once the HQ business goes out of business, they can do what ever the hell they want. It's exactly how they wedge out competition. It's exactly why there are only really three-ish actual manufacturers of ALL of the brands of tools. It's exactly why Walmart killed off TONS of smaller stores. Unregulated capitalism (which is basically what we have) *does not* produce quality. Watch a few videos of Apple's repairs and how poor some of their engineering is, and how they are utter dicks to the repair industry, and you'll see that it's not even good for the _after_ market. Capitalism *requires* heavy regulation to produce good. When something *requires* a short, strong leash to produce good ... that means it is _not_ good itself.

[@srpacific]

You just said Amazon makes cheap crap but also that they know how to make products. So which is it?

[@pflaffik]

@@ashkebora7262 Inconsistent snowflake theory.

[@battlestar7779]

Yep - just what I thought when you mentioned the “A” team. They’re obviously targeting novice mechanics, single moms, and the lesser fortunate people, who shop Amazon regularly, and looking for a “good deal”. Looks like you get what you pay for…maybe.

[@socialghost4400]

I was actually looking at this set earlier on Amazon…..thank you for the video….You saved me from buying a pile of garbage 👍

[@loco240]

In the 1980's and 90's I bought quite a few hand tools from the Craftsman aisles at the local Sears. No particular reason for that other than it was convenient and they usually stocked pretty much anything I needed. Since then I've done a lot of crazy stuff with those tools, pounding them with sledge hammers to simulate an impact driver, and almost anything that would make a real technician cringe. Haven't broken any of them yet. A lot of the wrenches have some pretty impressive hammer marks - badges of honor for excellent service. That stuff was made when Sears was still a viable retailer, and not made in China. I've got a few tools inherited from parents and grandparents, some of them made in the 1950's. Still work great. I remember when I was a kid, hearing people say "They don't make 'em like they used to". I guess that's still true.

[@0xsergy]

i've done the same with my canadian tire wrenches. made in china but definitely better than the harbour freight china wrenches that broke on me instantly.

[@fionam3554]

I managed to break one ratchet handle, and they replaced it. They weren't the BEST, but they were pretty good, and not nearly as expensive as the best. If I get 95% the quality of the best at 75% the price, I take it.

[@unclefester4626]

Those thin wrenches can have their place. In hydraulics you will see combinations of fittings that will sometimes lead you to need a tappet or thin wrench. Cylinder assembly being an example as well...

[@tonysheerness2427]

In the 70's in the UK they were selling sockets set from some kind of aluminium alloy that came from Hong Kong and were given away in Gas stations if you collected points. AT least these are made of steel.

[@volvo09]

What a great loyalty perk.... Knuckle buster sockets.

[@tonysheerness2427]

@@volvo09 The interior of the sockets just rounded off or the allen key that turned them slipped.

[@houseofwonders1]

My dad bought me a set of wrenches a while ago from amazon and each one of them are now 1 size larger. I had a flat tire once on a trailer and I had to use one of the bigger wrenches to take the lugs off and the wrench just bent into an L as I stepped on it. Glad a guy pulled over and helped me. I think they're made out of brass or something cause the inside of them are a golden color

[@jayryia]

Would love to see you all test the Incgo/ Total/ Emtop brand impact stuff. Theyre quite popular around Sputh asia and the Caribbean.

[@johns9652]

2 of the most common bolts are 1/4 20s with a 7/16 head, and 3/8 with a 9/16 head. But sometimes you need the heavy duty stuff, 1/2 with a 3/4 head. So generally speaking, I won't even consider a set with no 3/4 wrench. I also prefer a 5/16 to be included in a set, because that's the size of a lot of electrical equipment fasteners. Sure I can use a nut driver, or the end of my 11-1 screwdriver with a bit removed. But not the torque of the wrench.

[@floydwilliams3321]

Thanks for the review that’s definitely for a home owner light duty use at best

[@lanzer22]

Thank you. Now I can add another brand to my blacklist.

[@ThePlacehole]

I'd definitely like to see your tests over the "competition." You seem to know what You are doing.

[@pilu9538]

bought an amazon basic ratchet screwdriver. not long into use and the ratchet mechanism got stuck. I had to open it and free it in order to make it work again. the bits it came with were kinda weak too

[@BillLaBrie]

Looks like a good deal. Everyone should buy a set like this. When individual drives break, sockets strip out, and screwdrivers get all chewed up, replace them with better ones-just onesy-twosey. Makes a lot more sense than spending 5 times the amount for quality you’re never going to use.

[@tccoggs]

The name Denali has been on Amazon for a long time. I have woodworking clamps I bought on AMZ that are branded Denali from 2008. Not sure if it's the same.

[@cchavezjr7]

Yup, Amazon has been using the Denali name for a long time. I have some pipe clamps from about 4 years ago. I believe they are the same brand.

[@grantedfire]

If people that are on a budget for tools just wait for sales and often the big tool brands and craftsman tools can be found for cheap. I have bought craftsman set 120 piece at lowes before for $39. Also some of the harbor freight tools can be reasonably priced and will hold up well like the Icon line

[@blkmoon33]

Looks like a home owner/car kit. Not sure I'd ever buy it. Thanks for the review guys!

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

But... Would indeed make for the /perfect/ emergency kit to keep in your vehicle. Sufficient enough to do some tasks, contained in a nice (enough) case, and cheap enough where who gives a flying fork if it's damaged/stolen/rusted/accidentally left on the roadside _(or its 10mm sockets magically get lost inside the engine compartment, as they are so want to do! lol)_ 😁

[@blkmoon33]

@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE oddly enough in 25 years as a tech I never lost a 10mm. Had some stolen by coworkers 🤣

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

@@blkmoon33 Well that's why. You're a professional! lol I wouldn't lose any of them either, if they came off a tool truck! (almost said 'food truck' haha)

[@VorsprungDurchNik]

@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE You can find much better kits for similar money to stash in your car or give your kid when they leave for college. This kind of kit is for people who just don't know any better and are not likely to actually use it.

[@whirledpeaz5758]

Wrench Everyday discussed car kits and recommended the Pittsburg kit from HF because in store lifetime warranty.

[@mattfleming86]

PLEASE test the quarter inch socket adapters.

[@HDisNotSmart]

"Quality doesn't cost, it pays." This is usually true.

[@nowherebrain]

just discovered this channel...perfect. subbed + notifiers are on.

[@diegovargas3744]

i would like to see the harbor freight 301 tool set compete in this series, i think the way he measured for hardness and researched what metal was used for the tools gave great info.

[@JoeSmith-lp8fl]

Well I don't have data to back it up bit I've had a set of these for about 7 years now. The sockets are pretty good for what they are. The ratchets are okay. The specialty bits are surprisingly good, although the hex ones could be a bit larger for a tighter fit in socket head bolts. The screw drivers are meh. The pliers are not horrible but not good either. The allens are bad. The wrenches are horrible. The adjustable spanner wrench is also horrible and the first thing I'd recommend replacing if you do buy the set. I have replaced the 1/2" and 10mm deep sockets with impact rated sockets but they survived a lot of use on the end of a m18 impact and a m12 fuel impact. Over 2 years of use 6-7 days a week doing assembly. In general HF hand tools are usually okay. Some of them are pretty bad, others are shockingly good. You can usually tell by the appearance. Their low end power tools get a thumbs down from me, higher priced ones are okay. Never buy abrasives of any sort from them such as sand paper or grinding discs, they just tend to suck. That's just my $0.02 on HF.

[@leadpilled5567]

Harbor freight tools are decent and a great way to fill the tool box with tools that are good enough. It’s one thing if you’re twisting wrench’s 40 hours a week but to do a brake job once a year and other weekend garage tinkering I don’t think you’ll need anything more. I love my Hercules power tools. US general boxes are great.

[@Paul-uy1ru]

Retesting project farms tests could be really interesting!

[@warrenwalker8170]

Yes the case matters not just for the rattle of the tools but also for the lousy hinges and the lousy latches and you guys need to test for that sort of stuff particularly the hinges and latches that are doomed to fail on many products

[@evilsanta8585]

I mean this tool box is great for someone like me who will use the tools maybe 5 or 10 times in a year max. It’s nice to have something you can grab that’s cheap if you need to put together some furniture or some bs

[@LiveType]

Just removed 3 heavily rusted on and stripped bolts and have to say from my experience having to get 2 bolt extractors with nearly identical packaging, price often means nothing on Amazon specific stuff. It's a race to the bottom for a company to make 10 different brands to repackage AliExpress stuff from a single supplier to get on that best sellers list. Quality control is a serious issue. A scant few good things to be found, but mostly garbage. Lots and lots of garbage. Too much in my opinion. Especially electronics. I would make some changes as it really hurts Amazon's reputation in the long run. Amazon's basics does have a team of engineers, but the team is quite small and the overwhelming majority of the Amazon basics stuff is just rebranded nonsense. There are almost always better options available for the same or even lower price nowadays.

[@leealtmansr.3811]

Thanks for presenting this.

[@apatriot1762]

Love the project farm shoutout

[@michaelosmon]

Yo I'd never buy this crap but those thin wrenches are actually something I wish I had in my box. Not those exactly, some quality ones that are narrow like that Thanks for sharing your skills knowledge and experience. I appreciate you

[@mrmotofy]

I just had a project where I wished I had a thin wrench...had to dig out my old cheap set...hey that fits nice. It's been at least 5 yrs since I needed it last

[@BrewCityRider]

Like you discovered in your testing, not all Denali stuff is equal quality. I only have one Denali set - a master impact hex head socket set and they are excellent quality.

[@allenvincentjr]

The thinness of the wrenches, and overall kit, is rather similar to the Walmart 'Hart' tool kit. Even the ratchets are eerily similar. Id be very shocked if they don't share the same TTI parent company, or at least the actual fabs that make them.

[@Joel_Train]

TTI? Milwaukee's parent company?

[@MSTP03]

Hey TTC, KZbin how to design your spreadsheet so that you could reorder in ascending/descending order columns by rankings with one click in a drop down. It’s pretty simple and might come in handy for you. Just a suggestion

[@smash5967]

Can you do a test of some of those sockets with all the pins that can grab any shape/size nut/bolt in their range? How much torque are you giving up? Do those exist in an impact rated form?

[@Bornintheseat]

Not too shocked here. Love this channel

[@LogieD223]

I can’t wait to see y’all test the gen 4 Milwaukee impact driver

[@rayoflight62]

I bought a Beta set of tools in year 1980, paying about $2 for each screwdriver - expensive for 42 years ago, but the set is still good as new. Saving money on tools make no sense. Amazon is intent in distributing as many as possible Chinese tools made of "Chinesyum" - a metal that melts under intense sunlight; I kept a set of drill bits paid $2: the helicoidal spiral unwinds when the bits are used, as they are made of some sort of solder alloy aka Chinesyum. Thank you for the nice video - always nice to know of what I've to beware of...

[@sebastienceniceros3145]

Chinesium* ftfy

[@Jehty_]

Of course buying cheap tools makes sense. If you use them twice a year they will probably also hold a decade or more. So why buy something expensive if you don't need it?

[@mikemuzzell5167]

Please put Canadian tire brand mastercraft or maximum through the ringer as well as these Japanese brands that are trending in North America now. Great video thanks.

[@7mpowerd]

I’ll stick with HF. basic but reliable, upgrade as they break.

[@oddojaggins]

That set mirrors the Dewalt set I have, all the way down to the driver bits in the case. It's been the best kit I've used thus far but I admit I've never used the wrenches yet

[@wabio]

Which model number is your set?

[@oddojaggins]

@@wabio DWMT73802, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a "white box" situation with the same manufacturer, but the dewalt box wrenches aren't drop forged

[@robertstarin2603]

@@oddojaggins yeah I have the same set. The pack out is identical so I went ahead and started comparing and measuring to stuff in this video-- most pieces seem to be different and significant higher quality in the dewalt.

[@BryanTorok]

I enjoyed the more focused and shorter form of this test. I don't need to see every piece tested in every configuration to get an idea of the quality of the tool. I also like that you recognize that not everyone needs the top of line most expensive tool out there. I don't want the piece crap, breaks the first time I use it, cheapest tool. But I do want something that will do the job for the once in while DIYer.

[@Sparkystacoma]

I'd love to see 3/8 socket adapter test.. Mostly is there a fairly standard per brand shear. Apply consistent. Leverage and see if 3 de-mil-itas fail around similar peak. My experience is one will be great one ok/eh and one trash!

[@austinkelley5614]

As someone on the floors.. we use Proto. I'd actually never seen much Proto, so it's been interesting

[@AUSPetrol]

I would've loved to know if you could break the ratchets - if there's an amount of force where the teeth sheer and how that compares to other brands!

[@BryanBowenArchangelBarachiel]

I was thinking maybe cheap alternative to snap on thin wrenches. I'm going to see if you have any ratings on milwaukee 1/2 impact adapter. I typically don't break them though if I noticed they don't want to turn I grab my high torque impact driver. I seen you did a good testing on that.

[@yugbe]

This is easily the best review on "Amazon". ;)

[@toyotatundra0455]

Can you test the universal impact socket? The price of the Amazon Basic pipe pliers went up and are never available after the TTC review. I know you tested several cordless ratchet. I'd like to see how the Skil and Prostorm ratchet do against the big brand names Thanks.

[@eladnudd1895]

I have great compact tool set, mostly sockets for ratchet size 1/4-3/8-1/2 with extentions for each, and the ratchets still works,a very complete set that's been used hard. Half sae and half metric And Not spread out. In a hard plastic folding case that's holds the tools well, and is very portable and still holding up and been use hundreds of times,. I bought about 30 + years ago when craftsman was USA made, it came with 5 wenches, a screw driver bit holder with all the bits you would need, with storage room for more. Vise grips, Allen's, razor knife, wire stripper, connectors,tape,, everything one would need for the salvage yard. About the size of a brief case.. one of the best things I ever owned, they just don't have a solid mostly complete set like that anymore. Now there flimsy incomplete cases with the tools spread out and most made in China.. made lite to keep shipping 🚢 weight down.. now days there are so many to choose from thats sold cheap and made cheap.

[@chrisloncar6442]

But does the plastic have that Harbor Freight smell? I bought one of there sets because I was in a pinch and left the set in the shop. The shop was blistering hot the next day and I couldn't breath walking through the door. Had to take all the tools out of the box and through it outside to out gas for a month. Spent the next week with all the doors open and fans going just to air the shop out. The smell did eventually go away but it made the shop useless.

[@AlexBrucki]

As a GMC truck owner I felt abliged to watch this.

[@hydorah]

Anagram of Denali is 'Denial' any happy purchasers who actually use these will be there

[@CMDPromptify]

Hi TTC. I wandered to your channel in search of answers after seeing the Denali 170-piece show up in my holiday feed on Amazon. It looks suspiciously similar to the Crescent 180 piece, just swap out a few tools here and there. Do you think Denali may just be the dregs from Apex Tool Group? Thanks.

[@congruentcrib]

I don’t know if you’ve done Milwaukee’s Wrenches, but I do think those are some of my oddest ones. The teeth pattern really grabs sometimes, and other time is just strips it. I use them mostly on tierods when doing alignments, and several times I’ve run into the issue of getting them off. (One time we thought I might have to cut my 22mm off because it was so stuck. I would say that they’re terrible for alignments but good for other things. Kinda wanna know everyone else’s experiences.

[@Ethomsen18]

Please do a hex to square socket but adapter head to head test. Please include a few of the harbor freight as well as all of the hardware store colors, tekton and maybe a few from the farm stores. I'm personally careful to buy only advertised impact rated adapters and bits but it would be interesting to see some non rated common brands too.

[@lawrenceolson9562]

Thanks for posting this test which tells us that the Denali brand is absolutely awesome for light duty assembly and disassembly of such things as toy wagons, swing sets, and coffee makers. Just don't rely on these for tie rods, ball joints, or anything of that nature.

[@arthurhuskins910]

i live in holland would really appresiate if it is possible to test stahlwille, facom and gedore (sorry for my english, can help with wrenshes)

[@billh.1940]

Sounds like it would be ok for a kids starter set for fixing their bicycle etc. I gave my kid a cheap set, so he would not use my high end stuff! He was 5yrs old and started to fix his friends stuff for money! He still has them, but way upgraded, he is all grown up and can fix anything, good lessons for them! Btw, cheap tools lead to expensive parts replacement and more repairs!

[@bearkawiboy6246]

Thanks the content… In reference to the impact socket adapter comment, out of Makita, Milwaukee, Dewalt and Bosch, the dewalt adapters that I’ve used broke quicker than any other! Lol. I even had a Aries brand that I bought off Amazon that lasted longer in the same impact gun 🤷🏼‍♂️. Makita have done the best for me

[@TorqueTestChannel]

What size? 1/2"? Long or short?

[@joshm2243]

Lol, I'm not a buyer even if this is a budget set. The set stops at 17mm 😂😂😂 . This should go from 8mm to 19mm at the least. Both in wrench size and socket size.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

I understand when some sets skip 18mm, or even 16mm. But stopping at 17mm, or 15mm with wrenches? Just odd

[@JakePlisskin12]

Right!!!

[@TorqueTestChannel]

He's right about 3/4" being in use pretty identical. What's perplexing though is the SAE going to 7/8" while metric stops at 15mm and 17mm.

[@user-cs1ne8gx9u]

18mm was pretty common on GM for a while.

[@volvo09]

It's definitely not a mechanics set... Maybe "dad's first wobbly swing set assembly kit".

[@MorrisonManor]

Seconding the shake test and suggesting that at least some credit be given for the blow-molded clamshells being on a mechanical hinge rather than a flex hinge that lasts no time at all. I'd never buy these tools but, there is a market for the price point.

[@samcooke2742]

I would like to know more about who makes China-sourced tools, and Taiwan, too. I don't think that TTC is going to take an undercover trip to Guangdong province, but it would be interesting to learn if there is a Great Helmsman Wrench Factory that makes all the wrenches labeled Made in China.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Taiwan is much easier, China is quite spread out and the manufacturing base around port cities, Shanghai, Hangzhou, Ningbo, and in the south in Guangzhou is immense and nearly countless. In Taiwan there's like 5 key players, which we'll point out in testing similar things soon

[@nickrider5220]

Thanks for the warning !