The Cybertruck CANNOT Do This!

[@TFLEV]

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[@Techridr]

That power will come in handy when the kids are late for school

[@nismo370z4]

The R1 Truck is the best electric truck to date. But why add more power ? It was already quick enough. Add more range, that is what is needed to get consumers. The zero to sixty and HP numbers are a gimmick, no need to try so hard. Get the range to 500 miles, lose some of the touchscreen high tech feel, make it more basic, lower the price and they would sell like hot cakes.

[@brandonstewart7145]

Exactly, they can't, it would be to heavy, technology isn't there yet lol!!!

[@RealElectech]

They did add more range - up to 440 miles now. All trims are more efficient too. Adding another motor for a quad motor that makes it the fastest truck 0-60 in the world again gives Rivian 1) bragging rights and 2) profit padder.

[@sandshark5584]

I think they also did that to make sure their brand name stays mentioned regularly for being top of their class.

[@rickjames5998]

lol so many people comment, oh... so this, do that. Make it simple and low tech and it will sell. Maybe. But will it make profit? No. People want tech. Wealthy Californians have made Rivian Rich.

[@mattlimberg5763]

They did, but not available with quad motor. New battery tech that increased range without any added weight or size, but is a 10k add on. I'm guessing the quad motor needs higher voltage or load rating than currently available for the new battery and that's why those cannot be optioned together.

[@alancobbin]

Well done Rivian,cheers guys 👍😉💪

[@yissibiiyte]

Bonus points for being an actual truck

[@444thunderstr0ke]

So Cybertruck isn't "an actual truck" just because it doesn't look like a traditional truck? Tell me what your definition of "truck" is.

[@yissibiiyte]

@@444thunderstr0ke the reason the truck has never changed shape is the same reason the wheel has never changed shape. You cannot improve on perfection. A rectangular bed with even loading sills is far more useful than a bed with sloping triangular sills. A bed can be accessed from any angle, and can carry oversized cargo without it sliding right off. When the bed is not in use it can also be closed without impacting rear visibility. The Cybertruck's "bed" can only be accessed from a single angle and it cannot carry anything on top of it. In other words it isn't a bed, it's a trunk.

[@parasharkchari]

This is the thing that every Tesla fanboy misses. The fact that the Cybertruck looks "different" is immaterial to whether it serves its function as a truck. Elon talking about how all pickups more or less look the same as some sort of symbol of car companies being uninspired is objectively idiotic in all ways. The form that trucks take is because they are optimized to carry things, navigate difficult terrains, take on things that are punishing for other vehicles. There is no condition that requires them to look different. The Cybertruck doesn't fail because the angular wedge shape is weird-looking. It fails because you are entirely dependent on software and a camera in order to be able to see behind yourself. It's one thing to have those as additional tools to be helpful... it's another thing to say that it is the one and only thing that enables you not to back into a small child. It doesn't fail because the interior is too minimalistic and entirely driven by a touch screen. It fails because the pedal cover slips and gets caught under the molding causing unintended acceleration. It doesn't fail because it's made of stainless steel and typically not painted. It fails because the steel they use is actually below average on corrosion resistance for stainless steel to begin with and is so thick that you end up with panel alignment issues that are absolutely trash for any vehicle that costs even half as much and its trunk lid crushes fingers. It doesn't fail because it has sloped edges along the side of its bed. It fails because it is so easily destroyed by running offroad or on dirt roads that it needs to be rescued by conventional trucks. It fails because rain or mud or any other messy thing getting in the bed can bork the entire vehicle to the point where it will never start again. Things that are not true of any other truck. All of Tesla's other cars are basically bean-shaped. This makes sense from an aerodynamics and efficiency standpoint. Indeed, the Cybertruck is probably the best approximation of that you can get with that material, so it's probably going to be more energy-efficient than other trucks, all else being equal. Guess what, that's not really a major focal point for pickups. They're designed to be strictly utilitarian. A lot of the things you do with a truck like carrying loads, towing trailers, driving on awful terrain... it's going to inherently cost you in efficiency no matter what. What matters is that it achieves those things and can keep going. The Cybertruck cannot, and that has been handily proven in the field with near absolute failing despite Elon's best efforts to make it sound like the perfect creation to which all others aspire.

[@craigcampbell1843]

@@parasharkchariso what you’re saying is that you’ve never driven a box truck or a pickup with a full load.

[@vamvakos]

So a Ridgeline is an actual truck?

[@joshc606]

Very cool, most people don’t understand that when you add more power, it puts less stress on the components, which will give you more range.

[@curtisbme]

I'd say this is a v2 more than a lot of other car manufacturers because usually their refresh is 90% appearance/body tweaks. While this only has minor appearance tweaks, it is massively changed under the skin. If this was a peice of tech it would be certainly be a whole other version number, really more equivalent to multiple version jump.

[@WalterA-b3d]

Another great, informative video from TFL and Andrey. I do like that the hard, folding bed cover does not limit space in the truck bed. Pricing is a big issue. 70k for the base truck is hard to manage for most people. 100k plus, is out of the question.

[@pierre.a.larsen]

That is seriously quick. When it comes out it will be one of the quickest vehicles in the world - it is a hypercar. I look forward to see a drag race between the cybertruck on sport tires and the rivian. I bet Tesla will come with a response.

[@ChicagoBob123]

I'm not interested in this horse power but some may be. It's cool engineering that it can do this. Makes lambos and some porches look expensive

[@tv-ld3wv]

Track pack is coming?

[@LeesChannel]

That is one handsome vehicle. It's a shame that it's so expensive, though. I'd be interested if they could get the dual-motor long range down to $50k, but obviously that's not going to happen.

[@smarticus6384]

Ok, so it is ~10 sec 1/4-mile quick, it has 1,760# payload, it can tow 11,000#, it can off-road with its 14.9” ground clearance, and with its McLaren electro-hydraulic roll control system and four corners Brembos, it can carve up canyons with Porche-like precision. It is a super-car-like pickup truck.

[@Phatman114]

I didn't realize you guys came up to Seattle for this! We were there! :D

[@444thunderstr0ke]

We've gotta see this go against the Cyberbeast 🔥🔥

[@MrMoparMan]

Definitely want to see the beast on street tires up to temperature on a prepped track. The Beast has gone 2.5s 0 to 60 with all terrains on the street.

[@Alb3rn-]

That's cool Andre, I didn't know you were a software engineer. Your technical understanding of EVs among other things makes more sense now. :)

[@WW-wf8tu]

Great. Now cut the purchase cost in 1/2, cut the cost of tire replacements in 1/2 and you got me interested.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

And while we're at it, I'll take a Bugatti for $30,000. Tire replacement isn't out of line for an off-road truck. I just replaced my Rivian's tires with "standard off-road truck tires" at my local tire shop. Cost the same as if I was buying tires for a Toyota Tacoma.

[@macbook802]

Tire replacement associated with evs isn't a thing

[@tumbleweed1976]

Nice review. Far too expensive for me. Happy for others.

[@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw]

We don't need trucks that are this fast, we need them to match the range and fill up time of gas trucks if people are going to switch.

[@markcoopers1930]

Words of second place

[@ryanalder9691]

Not words of second place at all. 0-60 and 1/4 mile only last a few seconds. Having more range lasts minutes or hours. If the "race" is to get somewhere, range and charge times are what gets you there first, not 1/4 mile time...

[@georgeh6856]

Yes, but can you peel and cut carrots and various appendages on its edges?

[@WCR10851]

Love to see this on so many levels, but Is it really quicker though? Cybertruck was doing reall world in 2.6 on 33 and 35 all terrains correct? Nit on sticky track, with heated tires... Can hardly wait to see a real world comparison!

[@TxChristopher]

Several have already timed the quad r1t at 2.4 to 60, so yeah, it's really quicker than the cybertruck.

[@freddywayne]

I love how they flared out the fenders too.

[@Joeblk10]

No difference over current model

[@davidtaylor5811]

Why would anyone buy a Cybertruck when these are available?

[@wangjianmike]

99% people don’t need that much power in our daily life .

[@sethmisaelhernandez5902]

Which is why they bumped the price so 99% of people can't afford it!

[@jamescundiff3264]

I was just going to say that lol this thing is expensive​@@sethmisaelhernandez5902

[@joshc606]

Ummm….I do.

[@garyclark6747]

They certainly are not going for volume sales with those prices.🎯 Have they tapped out the demand for their brand or will the GEN1 used market broaden the base allowing early adopters a second buy opportunity?🤷🏻 Great overview‼️ 16:52

[@OzzVidal]

7000 tickets at $200 a pop. 1.4 million. And they give vehicles for top two valued at about $150,000. Not bad.

[@stennordenmalm9900]

Ouch...that was some statement right there. I did not see that development coming so fast. Rivian + Bosch looks like a spicy combination

[@duggydo]

Those SUV's look interesting. Need more info on them.

[@BryceLovesTech]

Love Rivian

[@josephfitzgard6277]

I'm so very disappointed. I don't understand the focus on quick acceleration over range and cargo capacity or towing capacity. What are you going to do with greater and greater acceleration? More importantly, the price is still too high. I'm not an EV hater. I just can't afford it. Now I can't afford any new vehicle. I was straching my head wondering why are combustion vehicles rising so high. I'm now guessing, manufactures see people willing to buy high prices for EV, so why not charge them high prices for combustion vehicles to those who still feel combustion is better than EV.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

When it's all you got, you go with it. EVs are one trick ponies at this point. It accelerates, great. I don't need to light my hair on fire every 30 seconds.

[@sprockkets]

They already improved the battery two times now, with an LFP one and have a good dual motor setup with plenty of HP. You don't have to buy the quad motor version which is for bragging rights.

[@JD-yx7be]

they reduced weight by 200lbs, not sure if they increase load capacity rating as well. They have made improvement with the efficiency as well so real world range should increase even if the epa rating is the same

[@JsGarage]

I like the Rivian. If I was shopping electric truck I’d get one of these.

[@MichaelMiller-rg6or]

I did not know Andre used to be a software engineer. I wonder what programming languages he used.

[@weyo14]

why not put Mickey Thompsons on it? Heating up summer radial’s usually just makes them greasy

[@paulbram2]

With these updates, what advantage does the CyberTruck even have anymore? Seems like they should have leapfrogged Rivian, but at best they matched the previous gen Rivian and now they are again behind?

[@deemcclanahan]

Updated? But it's still small and the price of a full size Tahoe. For instance, the Rivian SUV version has

[@rockstertx]

What a surprise... I was not expecting them to update their lineup so quickly.

[@rickjames5998]

capitalism

[@danharold3087]

The most important improvement would be getting the cost of production down closer to what they sell them for. Sustainable production.

[@stevekniess3665]

Rivian or GMC hummer but the Silverado is sweet as well. I would have to drive them I'm leaning towards the Rivian

[@rlaracue]

So what you get for off roading @Andre? R1T or R1S. Tri or Quad?

[@MatthewSerta1]

Surprised they didn’t up the on board power. All other electric trucks on the market have 7.2kw or more. Rivian still at 1.5kw.

[@JoeGo101]

very curious about the head to head with cyber truck because 2.7 is not 2.6 which the cyber truck does. I think rivians weight hampers its 0-60. I love rivian but I wouldn't get one until they have NACS on front right side so you can curb side charge and tesla super charge easily. Rear right just makes it a pain in the ass to charge at a super charger.

[@TJDST4]

Will tesla still have nacs after musky fired everyone on the supercharger team?

[@JoeGo101]

@@TJDST4 I heard he is starting to re hire people. Same as what he did with twitter. Mass firing then re hire.I'm sure he has a plan

[@cblue3581]

Quad is actually 2.4 seconds. Yes it's faster.

[@JoeGo101]

@@cblue3581 they just did quad at the drag strip in this video. They got 2.7

[@cblue3581]

@@JoeGo101 It's clocked at 2.4 seconds. Plenty of other videos showing it.

[@lifeisgood12341]

Vw has a similar system for assistance, hands on the wheel but it pretty well takes vare of itself.

[@havnfunb4]

Not sure why everyone is fixated on 0-60. Most EV’s will be faster than their gas counterparts. I like watching these videos but the 0-60 wouldn’t factor into me buying an EV. They need to concentrate on making ev’s more affordable

[@cblue3581]

Rivian are not for the average right now. When the R2 launches then the average will be able to step into one.

[@doublebackagain4311]

But has the range, charge time, or price improved?

[@JD-yx7be]

the range improved negligibly, the charge time has improved significantly with higher peak charge rates and better charging curves, price has slightly increased. It has also lost 200lbs in weight and is more serviceable. Once production ramps up prices usually drop once the early adopters get theirs

[@davidcottrell570]

@@JD-yx7beMaybe check the site. Range for a dual with max battery is now 420 miles. Base price for a standard range is $69,500. The base truck has 533hp and 270 mile range. If that’s still too rich, there are gen 1 units prebuilt for about $5,000 less, or there’s used.

[@stephenwabaxter]

Great review.

[@Jay-pf6ln]

Gotta love how other EV brands are trying to emulate the quirkiness of Tesla...Follow the leader...

[@TxChristopher]

TESLA is not the leader in quickness, that would be Lucid. Thank God nobody is trying to emulate the absolute rental car level cheapness of Tesla interiors and craptastic fit and finish!

[@pierre.a.larsen]

Does it qualify to receive the federal tax credit => 69,900 - 7,500 = 62,400 ?

[@RealElectech]

No it doesn't. But they do lease them, which gets the $7500 applied.

[@pierre.a.larsen]

@@RealElectech Thx

[@davidcottrell570]

The base model is $69,500, but it has imported LFP battery components, installed into the battery frame. Maybe ask them.

[@tettazwo9865]

The Clustertruck® can't do Jack!

[@MrGMawson2438]

I will never understand why people need a EV truck to be so funking fast

[@javiercastro4561]

I agree. but I love that they are doing it

[@444thunderstr0ke]

For the enjoyment? Kinda like how fast Ram TRXs and Ford Raptors are.

[@voxtek]

I have a quad motor Rivian, and all I can say is drive one and you'll see. Its the best all in one vehicle ever.

[@444thunderstr0ke]

@@voxtek Exactly. I can make the same point with my tri-motor Cyberbeast.

[@knightwing4]

I agree. It’s really just bragging rights. I just need it to be a good truck.

[@santiagohills3997]

Interesting response to what they’re seeing in the market. Rivian very quickly ditched its base trim level, and now is adding a higher trim level. Here in “the OC” Rivian has pushed Range Rover aside. You have to think Tata will respond, no?

[@cblue3581]

They didn't ditch the dual

[@santiagohills3997]

The “Explore” trim level was listed for sale before deliveries started but everything got delivered as an “adventure” trim

[@kencotton4645]

When will they get the NACS plug?

[@JoeyRiz]

Hey look it’s Quinn from Snazzy Labs back there at 4:37

I really like the R1T BASE MODEL

[@strummer5150]

I think they would have been better served with cost cutting efforts. They struggled selling the first iteration, this will only add to those struggles. People simply do not want 80-100K trucks.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

yet the dumbest people flock to cybertruck and spend 120K

[@doughenry7287]

So much this! Unless the R2-whatever they've allegedly been working on comes out soon and is affordable, you can probably kiss this company goodbye. The deal with Amazon is only gonna help so much.

[@cblue3581]

Why do so many ppl think this is the only offering? Go get a dual for $70k. They cut a tremendous amount of cost.

[@JD-yx7be]

That is what they have done. They reduced the computer modules from 17 to 7, reduced 45lbs of wiring, simplified the battery manufacturing and reduced weight by 155lbs

[@samatwesu]

Truck needs 240 volt outlet and at least 9 kw output for powering home.

[@discoverlight]

As much as I don’t like EVs this particular one I do like and would buy.

[@Fabulousprofound168]

Cool…. But I just want more towing range 😔

[@cblue3581]

They got that too. The Dual Max

[@rlaracue]

And for bonus points they get a 2025 Chevy Silverado EV Trailboss later in the year. :)

[@kencotton4645]

Do you think the GM system is better than the Tesla system? FSD seems to work on a lot more roads than the GM system.

[@flyguy-pb5sx]

So watching the speedo during that run..130MPH! Are we NOT going to be limited to 112-115MPH anymore…PLEASE! Or is this new limit only apply to the new “Ascent” motors/gearboxes?

[@LukeEdward]

“Driver assist” You know what’s the best assistance to an EV driver? MORE RANGE!

[@decoconstruction]

Why is everybody so impressed with a so-called work trucks 0 to 60 performance? It doesn’t matter what matters is range and towing. Also, the headlights look stupid but overall the truck is pretty cool.

[@rlaracue]

TFL sells CT in Q1/2 2025 and buys Quad Motor R1T or R1S. Book it.

[@StevenNorth-1]

Does it have a glove box now?

[@mrright2808]

Instead of 1000 hp that can go 160 miles when will they make a 160 hp car that can go 1000 miles

[@JD-yx7be]

it goes over 400 miles on a charge for the top end one. The hp rating on an electric motor has very little to do with the efficiency that is mostly the more aggressive tires to keep traction.

[@nikonmark37814]

More range, less tech and lower price is what we need in an EV Rivian truck!

[@Joeblk10]

Having to get the max pack is disappointing to me for the tri and quad. Hopefully that changes. I love my R1T quad and will mostly buy another Rivian but that max pack is the worst bang for your buck as far as battery upgrades go in the entire industry. 10k for 50 stated miles (probably 30 real world) is kinda ridiculous.

[@jorghautzel3934]

Rivian promised to sell in Germany. I’m still waiting!

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

I like the Rivians a lot. However, those headlights turn me off it a lot...

[@MrSuavena]

But you know what it can do… sell. For what I see the other companies don’t do that.

[@realrocktimusprime]

I am sorry...OIL COOLED MOTORS? I assume Olive Oil?

[@1FiftyOverland]

Wheres the Ranger Raptor videos?

[@slyguyaction]

All that an no NACS port.

[@juanmedinar20]

A truck on Michelin Pilot Sport lol 😂. Why the Cybertruck can't do this?

[@MrGMawson2438]

Bloody fast

[@RDSZ]

Tesla cybertruck ugly, this Rivian truck great looking.

[@flolou8496]

You never reviewed the KIA Nero on your channel:

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers mate

[@2lopezd]

That organization should be ashamed of themselves. It’s been proven time and time again electric vehicle manufacturing is doing more harm to the plant then internal combustion vehicles

[@JD-yx7be]

that is why they have improved the manufacturing of the vehicle by reducing much of the manufacturing processes vs the 1st gen

[@loudandclearmedia]

Can it beat a Cybertruck, while towing a Cybertruck? Make it happen. In all seriousness though, the problem will all of these (Rivian/Cybertruck etc) is that you can't go out and buy one. Who cares what it does or doesn't do if you can't get it anyway.

[@mountainadventures7346]

I don’t care about the environment. I subscribe to the idea that the Earth is fine. Humans may be screwed tho. (If you know you know) I love the economy and performance of EVs. But with a 4x4 pickup? I would be more interested about range and what I can put in the bed than drag races…. The cybertruck is a EV el camino. No good. I wish the Rivian had a bigger bed.

[@Factory400]

Thank goodness!!!!! I can't imagine going to Home Depot with less than 1,000hp attached to the wheels. Definitely useful and a great reason to pay $100k+ for a utility vehicle. I'll show all them Mustangs for sure.

[@leeheverly]

Sorry, way too much money, the fact that you’re not even getting the best model for $100,000 is insane, there is no way that people are going to switch from a gas pick up to this at these prices.

[@CrazyDriftKing16]

Rivian is out pricing themselves in the market. The refresh for the R1 vehicles is not really necessary. The power isn’t useful in any situation other than well drag racing or maybe towing. This could be a massive flop for Rivian

[@JD-yx7be]

increasing power in an electric motor doesn't mean they increased cost of them. They have cut cost of wiring by reducing 45lbs of it, they cut the computer modules from 17 to 7, they simplified the battery pack manufacturing and reduced weight of it by 155lbs

[@TreatsOnTheStreets]

For those scratching their heads on why so fast, it is because those that buy these vehicles want to be able to boast about having the best this and the best that, esp if it is gimmicky. They buy vehicles for status and bragging rights. Having a better number on paper, however impractical it is, sells trucks for Rivian. Its cooler to brag about how much faster the EV you own is than it is to talk about how much further you can drive.

[@TJDST4]

Wasn't that the same complaints about the first two generations of the Ford Lightning, Chevy 454SS, Dodge Ram SRT-10?

[@cblue3581]

I came from a Dodge Charger Widebody Scat Pack. No way in hell I was giving up that kind of power to get a slower EV.

[@mattlimberg5763]

Except that's on a prepped surface and heated tires. Do the same with the Cyberbeast and the results should be very close.

[@hadesomegamoto7639]

I've seen Cybertruck running 11s on the 1/4mile so this is faster

[@Gbus85302]

2.5 sec on prepped surface

[@tonymartucci7097]

So we’ll never have like a small 500mile reasonable priced truck

[@cblue3581]

They have a 420 mile dual motor. Within a few year they will be at 500

[@tonymartucci7097]

@@cblue3581 right, but like 75k+, how about a 40k truck that is not for racing... i like to go fast, but don't really care about it in a truck...

[@cblue3581]

@@tonymartucci7097 That was the Fisker Truck. Rivian is not targeting middle income at this time. That will come with the R2 and R3. I could see them doing a similar truck down the road.

[@JD-yx7be]

@@tonymartucci7097 Battery cost are going down every year. The first EV car to go 300 miles cost $100k in 2016, now the equinox ev can do that for $42k and the cheaper $36k version is coming out in December. My first flat screen cost $1500 for a 720p TV now you can get them for under $300 for 1080p. Battery prices are following the same trend

[@lifeisgood12341]

For my sake i wish they depreciated more, but they are holding value so i won't be getting one any time soon.

[@jefferp]

How about a “Cannonball” style race, coast to coast or border to border. Elect truck vs a gas burner Super truck.

[@R3dL1ght5]

Till the update 😁

[@darrenthul7088]

I would odder it today with 460 miles range

[@TestTranslator]

How about 420 miles, that’s where the dual max is rated.

[@hantusmostert]

Rivian is great, seems china is ahead with charging

[@kensofuego5928]

Who cares about how fast you can go 0-60? The original rlt is fast enough. Ev companies need to Focus on range and charging time. The Silverado has more range.

[@garymiller1977]

Tibia is just all around beater than Tesla

[@dougpendleton1266]

This truck makes me feel pretty good! I have a 1989 Dodge Dakota that I have tinkered with in my barn and it runs almost the exact same times! Cost for the truck and the hot rodding about 15k.

[@iqbalmu]

This got nothing on Chevy Silverado EV

[@tbone9405]

What a cyber beast eater…..

[@tboy911]

This truck is fast but the cyberbeast did 2.6 on a regular untreated road on all terrain tires. The rivian had sticky performance tires and tire warmers and got 2.7.

[@davidcottrell570]

Remember the video about the Cybertruck beating a Porsche while it was towing one? Do you really think it can accelerate that quickly on dirt tires too? It’s quick, sure, but repealing the rules on traction and beating a truck with 20% more power?

[@Rx100Vx]

Why do this, you ask ? Because they can and it’s fun !!!! 😂

[@r5LgxTbQ]

so sad that R1T is living in the shadow of a dumpster on wheels

[@sprockkets]

Everyone lives under their undeserved shadow. That's how cult of personality companies like tesla and apple work - they have to control the narrative and be seen as the leader, even if it is just a facade. It's like the Ioniq 5N no longer exists due to the Model 3 P even though it still has more HP and already has an active suspension and still will be able to out lap it at the Ring.

[@robwalker4548]

Makes me wish I had focused only on becoming rich.