THE DARK DAYS Fully Explained- Hunger Games Deep Dive

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@c.w.simpsonproductions1230 10 ай бұрын

The biggest mistake the Rebels made was actually trying to invade the Capital. They should have maintained the blockade until the Capital finally ran out of supplies.

@asuddenApocalypse 10 ай бұрын

Facts. They could’ve held out another year or two and let the Capitalists dwindle out. Then gradually march in and start the clean up process.

@MonkeyBanjo7 10 ай бұрын

Yeah it didn’t make sense of why they did attack.

@ryanosullivan6147 10 ай бұрын

Go full siege. At the end of the day they have all the resources the capital doesn’t produce anything

@samswayzie 10 ай бұрын

Capitol *

@Starwarsfan066 10 ай бұрын

@MonkeyBanjo7 none of the decision making made sense. They had it. They won then they backed down and gave up?

@ellebassa9288 10 ай бұрын

I want to see how Pannem got to the dark days

@ethanstackhouse7274 10 ай бұрын

We did, go watch the start of the first movie and the poverty of district 12

@faithhudson4576 10 ай бұрын

Me too ... I wanted to know is this like a Civil War kind of thing or something else....also did we get the dark days or the first rebellion before the dark days? Was it like WW3

@ellebassa9288 10 ай бұрын

@@ethanstackhouse7274 I mean more details aside from like. Just what the dark days were like for people in the capital

@noelle_reads_alot 10 ай бұрын

Or just about how Panem became Panem

@jessicamallik9729 10 ай бұрын

@@ethanstackhouse7274that was long after the dark days

@_.moi._ 10 ай бұрын

I really wish there was a whole book explaining the entire history of panem and before. I've heard theories that natural disasters destroyed the world around them but something detailed would be amazing Edit: the natural disasters was actually in the books sorry! :)

@Ragetothefullest 10 ай бұрын

The natural disasters thing is actually mentioned in the books

@_.moi._ 10 ай бұрын

@@Ragetothefullest oh sorry about that I read the books a year ago

@ECLECTRIC_EDITS 10 ай бұрын

What if what destroyed the world was Skynet and Panem is america after the nuclear war and the war against the machines.

@ImIndavyjoneslocker 10 ай бұрын

@@_.moi._nothing wrong with forgetting something like that but what’s the point in saying you read it a year ago? then shouldn’t u remember that detail? lol

@maxtinosl7545 10 ай бұрын

@@ECLECTRIC_EDITSthere is a theory that the movie 2012 is in the same universe as the hunger games

@isaaclopez-eb6yg 10 ай бұрын

I think looking at the Snow's perspective in the dark days really shows how his trauma informed why he ruled the way he did over the capitol and the districts.

@tarajesswein5711 10 ай бұрын

after seeing the opening scenes in the new movie, it really made me interested in that first war

@sparxstreak02 10 ай бұрын

I’d love to see Tigris get her own origin story - starting from the time Coriolanus apprenticed under Gaul at university, when Tigris & Coriolanus fell out & severed ties with each other & finally to the point where she helps Katniss & the rebels.

@alexharkness586 10 ай бұрын

I find very possible that their falling out was due to Snow giving the winners to other people. Selling their bodies. Maybe it was a step too far to her. In TBOSAS is implied she sold herself to make end meet although never confirmed. And even if she didn't, the idea certainly passed through her head. Even if she didn't do it, it seemed so horrible and maybe she even tolerated the first few times Snow sold the winners, but eventually it became too much for her.

@pxxv5370 10 ай бұрын

I second this

@hannahfunk-s9m 10 ай бұрын

i third this@@pxxv5370

@Playwithdeutschland 10 ай бұрын

Same here

@Playwithdeutschland 10 ай бұрын

a TV show

@ProfessorPrel 10 ай бұрын

Realistically speaking, did the rebels even need to launch an invasion? The capitol doesnt seem to produce any goods of their own, so the districts could just set up their own blokade, until the capitol is forced to give up.

@justadult3493 10 ай бұрын

i wouldn’t be surprised if it was Capitol itself which planted this idea through spy networks to incentivize an obviously failed plan

@jimruffatto4261 9 ай бұрын

Good Point , but I think it talked about that

@randomlygeneratedname7171 9 ай бұрын

Dumb wirtting anyway. They can't even plan a simple march over a mountain yet can master a even more complicated siege.

@thatotherguy8138 9 ай бұрын

They didn't, no. But Rebellions tend to be emotional things, and it's very much on brand that the Rebels would be too impatient to wait for the Capital to starve to death. Also that they would want to KILL the Capital, not merely walk in there and clean up the corpses. An Army, lead by a General, at the behest of a Nation, can have the kind of discipline needed to do a long-term blockade, but rebels? That would be far more difficult to believe.

@jimruffatto4261 9 ай бұрын

I think they must produce something , or at least have a little food stored . Or the capital might just be that dumb

@riley4251 10 ай бұрын

I think that the dark days are one of the most interesting loose ends of the hunger games. So many outcomes could have happened which makes it so interesting

@thewargodking5463 10 ай бұрын

A good idea would be a hunger games tv series focusing on the foundation of panem due to natural disasters, what lead to the dark days and what happened during it. Like a civil war series

@liamh1015 10 ай бұрын

I would like to see the collapse of America and the formation of Panem in a TV series. We could start by showing the natural disasters and nuclear wars gradually wear away at the old world order, then a warlord period following the fall of America before one or a coalition of warlords form Panem. It could be a mix of Game of Thrones and Man in the High Castle!

@thewargodking5463 10 ай бұрын

@@liamh1015 I would watch that

@ECLECTRIC_EDITS 10 ай бұрын

Fan theory, the "natural disaster" was the Skynet destroying the earth and thr Hunger Games is a sequel to the Terminator following what happens to America after John and the Resistance win the war.

@vagasint.4345 9 ай бұрын

@@liamh1015 I used to think that Panem was in future North America (based on the books) but in the movies l (especially after ballad of songbirds and snakes) it seems more like it’s set in an alternate universe where the U.S. collapses between the end of WWII and the late 1960s after some form of ecological disaster (this is based off the vehicles, the aircraft, the technology in Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes) Unless there was some form of crazy technological regression in this timeline or a period where everyone decided to have some form of 60s callback… I do hope it is still a future America, but based on what I saw I am not so sure anymore.

@jonmcinnis1645 8 ай бұрын

@@vagasint.4345I made this headcanon crossover idea that The Hunger Games takes place in the future of the Fallout universe where The Enclave returns this time they finally won and the main events of The Hunger Games takes place 300 years after The Enclave returns this time they finally won

@9xprincess 10 ай бұрын

I would really love a anthology detailing the world before Panem, the apocalypse that destroyed it, the creation of Panem, the Dark Days and the country/world after the capital fell.

@tonyplantman5018 10 ай бұрын

if I were the filmmakers on a ballad of songbirds and snakes I would have added a post credits scene where it cuts to 64 years later and we see president snow the day of the reaping of the 74 hunger games basically it would have been a cameo with Donald Sutherland we see him watching the reaping live and then it ends with the scene of Katniss volunteering in place of prim and snows eyes go hide then the credits roll I feel that would have been the perfect ending

@ryankwon8785 10 ай бұрын

I speculate that District 13 initiated the First Rebellion against the Capitol, and it seems quite convenient that they withdrew from the war, leaving the other Districts to bear the consequences. It appears that the primary objective of the First Rebellion was to secure independence for District 13. This was achieved by acquiring and stockpiling nuclear weapons, creating a situation of mutual destruction that afforded District 13 more time to organize a more successful rebellion. Moreover, the suffering endured by the other Districts as a result of their rebellion may have strategically positioned District 13 to manipulate and consolidate blind loyalty out of the Districts' hatred of the Capitol. This manipulation served to empower District 13 in orchestrating the overthrow of the Capitol, intending to replace the existing government with its own vision of governance. However, a notable issue arises with District 13's governance structure, characterized by isolation, strict control, and a robotic nature. While similar to the Capitol in prioritizing logic and obedience, District 13 lacks the emotional aspect, valuing these qualities over morality and free will. The blind loyalty aspect became more apparent when Coin wanted to do another Hunger Games on the Capitol's children to consolidate the Districts' hatred and blind loyalty. Overall, I think the leaders of District 13 envied the power of the Capitol and wanted to become the Capitol themselves and groomed successors like Coin to ensure their vision came to pass. However, their plans become ruined by Katniss when she executes Coin in front of all of Panem, likely marking many with the belief that Coin is as sinister as Snow.

@rickyolivarez 9 ай бұрын

This is really good.

@palmtreesmusic1945 9 ай бұрын

No, District 13 also suffered oppression from the Capitol and initially they were standing with other districts. Why, they could have seized the Capitol's nukes from the beginning and just seceded. The reason they settled for such an arrangement was because the rebel forces were damaged beyond repair and could no longer win the war. They could only free 13.

@Falconforge89 9 ай бұрын

@@palmtreesmusic194513 were cowards. They were the leader of the rebellion, made a tactical error by trying to invade the Capitol, failed miserably and then threatened all out nuclear war when they realized they weren’t going to win. They betrayed the other districts and are no better than the capitol

@BryceLynch838 10 ай бұрын

I've always had a theory that the pox outbreak that nearly destroyed District 13 and killed Coin's family was actually a Capitol plot. How else could people as isolated as 13 have a viral outbreak? Maybe 13 wasn't dying off as fast as the Capitol hoped and they clearly wanted to reclaim it. In Mockingjay, Plutarch Heavensbee even tells Katniss (much to her shock and annoyance) about how biological warfare works.

@ina7107 10 ай бұрын

I definitely believe this theory

@BryceLynch838 10 ай бұрын

@ina7107 Also, they couldn't just use a chemical attack like the fog on them because they would've survived it 100%. Then called in the treaty and simply nuked the Capitol. Bio weapons would be only way the Capitol could attack 13 and still have deniabilty. They would simply need to send an infected, "escaped" Avox into the woods near 13. With 13 out of the way, there would be nothing in existence to stop the Capitol. They had the means and the motive. Only it didn't quite work in the end. 13 still managed to survive but by the time of Mockingjay they still hadn't recovered all of their population.

@mrchocolate8129 10 ай бұрын

One of the best breakdown channels out there 👍

@sjmhadsock4586 10 ай бұрын

🎉yes

@JoyTaeleifi 10 ай бұрын

When they were talking about the dark days in the books and the movie it really scared me because there was a lot of suffering and pain to the point where people would eat each other, become drug addicts, and become cannibals, it's also very scaring because for the kids to see them doing these things is just horrifying to think about as a little kid because it could have happened to them so it's just scary to think about.

@fionarodgers4806 10 ай бұрын

Now I really want to see a What If the Rebels Won the War.

@AudreyArnett-si3ss 10 ай бұрын

Yeah that'd be cool. So would What If the Capital Won the Second War

@amberbelt3641 10 ай бұрын

You can no idea how excited I was to see this video title, I’ve been trying to find a full explanation of the dark days/pre-hunger games panem!!! As always, great job and thank you for all your hard work ❤

@marniekilbourne608 10 ай бұрын

That deal that district 13 made doesn't seem very advantageous. Living underground and not getting the fresh air and sunlight they needed and their district was nuked so where did they get food to survive ?

@alexflores4262 10 ай бұрын

I think I remember reading that district 1 and 2 were on the capitals side and not with the rebels as well

@jacqiharichand8864 10 ай бұрын

I have been a subscriber for almost 6 years and I've literally watched every video and I look forward to every new one. The quality and awesome content has never changed over the years and I always recommend your channel to new people in these fandom to learn more keep up the great work

@Disorder42 10 ай бұрын

After watching the newest movie I have fallen in love with this world again.

@rhen_xx 10 ай бұрын

The dark days are very interesting but I want to learn about the exact winners and what happened in the other hunger games that weren't in the books. It will be very interesting to watch if Collins write about the other games and you make a video about them

@acacialousich9770 9 ай бұрын

I think that's the irony of the Hunger Games franchise...deep down we're all closer to becoming those in the capitol, who are entertained by the games, than we think

@Celestial_cats9 10 ай бұрын

One thing I’m always wondering is what is going on in the rest of the world while the US has turned into Panem

@rickyolivarez 9 ай бұрын

Same here!

@randomlygeneratedname7171 9 ай бұрын

It's like asking what the rest of the world was doing when the Aztec and other native americans were doing their own stuff for thousands of years. They just didn't care about what's across the vast ocean once again.

@youman953 3 ай бұрын

@@randomlygeneratedname7171 well this is the US tho.. kind of everybody cares what they do since they effect every other nation

@erinclarke2606 16 күн бұрын

@@youman953🙃 Maybe not in the HG universe.

@caitlinhieston1633 10 ай бұрын

I never read the books, so I only know what the movies have said. This was such an informative and well crafted in depth dive of Panem’s dark days. I’m glad I have a better understanding of what the writer was trying to portray - I literally laid awake last night after seeing the new movie coming up with theories, so this settled my curiosity!

@rc59191 10 ай бұрын

I don't blame District 13 for doing what they did. We don't really have a grasp on what the size of the rebel forces were or the logistical situation but I dont see them pulling out unless they were close to the end after the failed attack on the capital. Only other option would be to carry on fighting as guerillas.

@Flipitmixit 10 ай бұрын

The rebels really had the capital in the first half and then fumbled the bag in the 2nd

@Severussnapebestfriend 10 ай бұрын

For some reason i love snow character now.. especially since i love villains and them actually winning for once.

@dannylagangonzalez6832 10 ай бұрын

When villains win it never lasts though, they always get defeated in a future instalment, and that applies to snow. He is my favourite character though.

@catleaxmas5416 10 ай бұрын

i hope they included the dialogues that show how war affected the students. that exchanging line of Coriolanus with one of mentors (i don't remember who) talking about which food that still taste like war to them. that really struck deep in me

@Brandonian 10 ай бұрын

I would love a short series on the hunger games, games 1-9, maybe like a short series TV show to fill us in on the dark days. I feel like it could be cool.

@Mikedalad 9 ай бұрын

nah better is if it was all 75 hunger games in one series

@Joshhutcherson1234 10 ай бұрын

Omg yess I’ve always wanted a deep dive of this bc I’m such a hunger games fan 😅❤ Love ur channel

@onism8906 10 ай бұрын

In most maps of panem canada is seen as the wilderness i wonder whats there. are there any remaining people??? are they mutated people from the war? also it would be cool if we saw what the entire world looked like at a global scale

@niallwood 10 ай бұрын

Ive always thought that, yes its possible that 'Panem' is the only surviving nation in the world, but at the same time that's exactly what the capitol would want people to believe. In TBOSAS, one of Snow's classmates (can't remember the name) father is the naval commander, and if there was only 1 nation left why is there a need for a navy? Additionally, Snow sees deserted cities on his train ride to D12 and wonders what they were once like, so its also possible that there would be small enclaves of people still scattered around these cities over both Panem and the world. Just a fun little observation and idea of mine. :)

@michellejester9734 10 ай бұрын

I imagine panem as "Pangea" or basically, just one continent on the earth. Edit: Reason being that other countries and continents just couldn't exist in that universe

@erikbishop7 9 ай бұрын

Canada, as I understood it, was part of this constitutional oligarchy, under the boundaries of Districts 7, 9, 6, and 13.

@JAXXNCREATED 10 ай бұрын

the dark days really intrigues me and I hope we see more of it in the future

@Usapyon_0719 10 ай бұрын

thank you so much!! i've been looking forever for a video like this explaining the rebellion and the dark days!! i would love to see more videos like these

@mariyia 10 ай бұрын

Wow I’ve read all 4 books but almost 80% of this video was a new information for me! Thank you for the video

@taylord6479 10 ай бұрын

I had just watched this movie today, and I thought it was one of the best movies. All I want to do is watch it over and over again, but know I get to read the book!!

@zachjoyal8257 10 ай бұрын

I realized Snow is talking about himself in the opening lines in the video, gave me chills.

@emh30_10 10 ай бұрын

My friend and I just saw the movie tonight and we got talking on how Suzane needs to give us more background. I'm not saying go full J.R.R. Tolkien, but maybe some short stories of people's backgrounds, like Cinna, Johanna, even more about Finnick, Annie or Mags. I would love to hear more about Haymithes time in the games, it would just be fantastic

@judigemini178 8 ай бұрын

An anthology series about these standout characters would be brilliant

@judigemini178 8 ай бұрын

*TV series

@DaddyDarvel-sh1xe 10 ай бұрын

Funny how District 13 was the ringleader for the rebels for both the first and second rebellion. At least they won the second time.

@min181094 10 ай бұрын

I'm always so happy to see a new upload from you! Made my Friday better ❤

@dragonfly12 10 ай бұрын

I know this is crazy by id love more books or movies showing the pre history of the dark days, what lead to them, what panem was like before them, and the first presidents of panem. Also Sidenote more hunger games footage and any rebellious tributes whose rebellions were sniffed by snow or other presidents

@TheFifaBloopers 10 ай бұрын

Great videos as usual!!!! Keep up the good content!!❤❤🎉🎉🎉

@ImOnlyAGoat 10 ай бұрын

This channels quality is just trough the roof

@maymei. 9 ай бұрын

I've always wondered how the districts were formed. How America eventually turned into Panem and why there was a single capitol and 13 districts.

@evanj9153 10 ай бұрын

love the vids man, especially the hugner games

@creaturexxii 10 ай бұрын

One thing I'm a bit confused about was whether or not District 1 and 2 where loyal to the Capitol during the first rebellion, or if they were part of the rebellion. Or it could be that while Districts 1 and 2 did initially side with the rebels, as the war turned towards the Capitol's favor, they switched sides, siding with the Capitol against the rebellious Districts in favor of better treatment. I'm not very knowledgeable on this subject but do educate me on the loyalties of District 1 and 2.

@andyw8025 10 ай бұрын

I think 1 and 2 (maybe 4 as well) were split down the middle while the other districts were overwhelmingly supportive of the rebels

@JamesZheyuXu 10 ай бұрын

District 2 was pretty much completely loyal

@andyw8025 10 ай бұрын

@@JamesZheyuXu I'm not so sure, the BOSAS book says the Plinth family are "despised" in District 2 because of their support for the Capitol and ultimate defection during the Dark Days

@JamesZheyuXu 10 ай бұрын

@@andyw8025 Well,I’m not so sure too,maybe it’s more or less like the 2 rebellion,where most are loyal to the capitol while the miners and masons favor the rebels? And the Plinths are hated overwhelmingly by everyone in 2 because of their rapid ascendancy to the top of Panem? It might also be that at first, District 2 (and maybe 1) were a little tempted to join the rebel,but then decided not to join?

@ShinigamiInuyasha777 10 ай бұрын

I think that the Dark Days are an analogue of the US Civil War. And Snowden is an analogue of Woodrow Wilson. As both saw first hand how things fall appart during a lack of central authority and this turn them into autocrats in their adult lives

@paulinak9987 10 ай бұрын

US civil war? Plz, stop kiddin. Better read sth about the great hunger in the Ukraine and the history od Leningrad.

@ShinigamiInuyasha777 10 ай бұрын

@@paulinak9987 So the Capitol are nazis?

@Senacacrane 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for uploading this. This is very helpful insight to what the dark days really were.

@eamparbeng 9 ай бұрын

Despite being the wealthiest district, district 1 is actually pretty rebellious. They were actually one of the first districts to rebel during the second rebellion. The only reason why they're a "Capitol friendly" district is due to the Luxury items they produce for the Capitol. And on the consequences of punishment, District 1 needs to keep producing Luxury and pleasure in return for the best living conditions and training for the Hunger Games. It seems as if being a tribute is a great honor and their victors are treated as heroes as due to a good portion of their population being brainwashed. But still many of them put up that front cuz if they don't, their punishment is probably worse than that of district 11

@alex365everdeen4 10 ай бұрын

Honestly though, the entire system of Panem just doesn't work, because if everything comes from the districts, the moment the district stop providing, the system colapses. So it makes no sense that they lose the war, because again, everything came frome the districts

@toeray5864 Ай бұрын

Outsourcing your nuclear arsenal seems like something you shouldn't do.

@eamparbeng 9 ай бұрын

I think the reason behind why District 2 still participated in the games despite being the Capitol's ally is because since 2 is a large district with villages based around a mine, the outer villages were the ones that rebelled while the inner villages didn't. The outer villages weren't as strong, unified, or prosperous as the inner villages. The Capitol seeing that knew they could somehow manipulate the inner villages as a stronghold for control if they were to win the war. So when the Capitol did actually win the war, they provided all of District 2 with good living conditions. But since part of the district did rebel, they used that as something to stand on making it seem like that despite their "loyalty", it was they who were responsible for participating in these games. And provided those good living conditions as a way to make it look like the hunger games were a competition of honor when they weren't. This also explains why the Nut which was located in the center of the village was the last Capitol stronghold to fall when the rebels easily secured the outer villages

@Ch50304 10 ай бұрын

The dark days are interesting, hearing how Snow suffered, what people went through really shines a light on why Snow behaved the way he did.

@Uzair_Of_Babylon465 10 ай бұрын

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍

@Aimhigh-sl4js 9 ай бұрын

I’m surprised the rebels decided to trust district 13 again

@racheldarbonne7386 10 ай бұрын

I would love to read a book about it.

@a-dog1125 10 ай бұрын

Soooo glad your making more hunger games content

@YayoHernandez-b1j 10 ай бұрын

you know now i know why snow hate katniss because she remined him of her d 12 girlfriend

@statesofgracie 9 ай бұрын

see I’ll still never understand why district 13 decided to double cross the districts and pull out of the war and especially what made them decide to finally help again after 75 years

@likecascade7015 10 ай бұрын

A video on the Second Rebellion would be nice in the future.

@LeviAntics 10 ай бұрын

If the rebel didn’t try to invade the capital and just keep the blockade going the capital wouldn’t have been able to survive without supplies

@nicole692z 9 ай бұрын

Thank you. Someone finally talked about dark days

@yarenkuyumcu9789 10 ай бұрын

This is why ı feel the Rebels were almost as awful as the Capitol.Coryo and other Capitol children were just kids,too they did not deserve to go through that.Having said that,of course it does not justify his actions later on.And later on Coin and the rebel team was also just as awful if not more.

@nicholas8484 10 ай бұрын

you probably support Israel lol

@jennifergreen6510 10 ай бұрын

@@nicholas8484Israel has every right to defend itself against a terrorist group.

@jared1964 10 ай бұрын

⁠@@jennifergreen6510Israel has forfeited right to defend itself when they decided to target children. Israel shouldn’t have existed in the first place.

@Charly-sy2lt 10 ай бұрын

That is what war is. A lot of innocent people, children and elders as well get sucked into a world of terror and destruction. No matter which side started or dominates the war, those people, innocent civilians on both sides are always the victim. A war has no winners.

@rchristensen1477 9 ай бұрын

Content is straight fire bro!

@TheMrbernz Ай бұрын

Washington DC is in the same boat as the Capital. Boycotting deliveries to the city will starve them out. No armies, war, or fighting.

@marcmccvc2426 10 ай бұрын

Not the videos we want but the videos we need 🤝

@ladiesman217sun-luc-dong5 9 ай бұрын

After I watched The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes they should give this series the TV series reboot treatment as Harry Potter and Twlight to stream on Netflix and for as fans to spend time each season in the Hunger Games battles and follow the different characters both in the Capital and the Districts to go full mature with the violence and killing and that my friends would be a TV series we would actually like.

@jakethegreatofficial 5 ай бұрын

The worst part is, the rebels came so close to winning, only for victory to escape from them. If the rebels had waited for just a few more months, they could have choked the capitol into submission and forced them to surrender.

@corntrooper8881 2 ай бұрын

In my opinion, the biggest tactical blunder that the Rebels made was actually trying to invade the Capitol instead of just waiting it out and watch the Capitol tear itself apart

@keatonfettig2914 10 ай бұрын

MOVIE FLAME MAKES HIS RETURN TO MY SIGGESTIONS

@TexanFonzie 9 ай бұрын

I wanna know what happened to America between now and the Dark days

@cmac2256 8 ай бұрын

What no one understands is that there was a war before the dark days. Each sections had their own nuclear bunkers. 13 sounds like mt weather and capital sounds like Cheyenne. Two separate factions wanting to rule the rest of us. Sounds like a nuclear war happened here and the districts were founded to survive.

@Bella-ir5sv 10 ай бұрын

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