The Dark Secrets of Bitterblack Isle - Dragon's Dogma Lore

The story of how Daimon was created, the "Dark Arisen"
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[@mendiganina6001]

Ashe's pawn was Olra again. An arisen can choose a masterless pawn. She says "I was his pawn, and his beloved besides" during the fight.

[@ThePawnedPawn]

She acted as a pawn, but being bestowed meant she couldn't actually be a pawn. Ashe would have had his own unique main pawn.

[@dominiksmiech8634]

Daimon is actually a Pokemon that turns into a Dragon when it evolves true and real lore seriously

[@The_Rift]

Deepest lore

[@mosku66]

You, THE RIFT, are the TRUE Dragon's Dogma fan!!

[@The_Rift]

Cheers brother ✊

[@alterniaphenomena5690]

Ashe did not grow a beard lol, "bearded" in archaic english means to confront something boldly, if he did grow one, i dont know why his in game model doesnt have one, also, Olra was his main pawn, if you read her account in the monument of remembrance, she says " I became his pawn of my own will."

[@ThePawnedPawn]

First...that's one definition of bearded. Another could be to be marked (bearded with brand = marked with the Arisen scar), or it could mean to have matured, as someone aged to a point they can grow a proper beard. Honestly, Ashe fits all of these. Second...Olra says she became his pawn *of her own will.* Her *will* She was human. So even if she acted as a pawn in supporting Ashe, he certainly would have had his own unique main pawn besides. Nothing anywhere says he didn't or that he traveled solo with Olra.

[@alterniaphenomena5690]

No, Olra had not become fully human, she had the bestowal of spirit, like Selene and The Fool, a pawn becomes fully human when they take the form of the Arisen in full like in the ending. (Olra even says she was going to become as Ashe, as in take on his form in her account.) So yes, she did become his pawn of her own will, still as a pawn. Ashe says (when Olra returns after Grette's defeat): "I was left with a single hope. A single wish. To bring back light to the deadened eyes of a masterless myrmidon. She was a pawn I knew it well. Not human. Not of this land. And what of it? She bore Grette’s mien. Her face. Will or nil, I soon found myself in love." He quite literally says she was not human. As for the definitions I gave, they're inconsequential, they just sound more right to me considering the use of very archaic words.

[@alterniaphenomena5690]

Furthermore, you'd think the main pawn, an integral part of the identity of an Arisen, would be mentioned, but they are not. That would seem like quite the oversight by the developers to leave such an important piece missing, even pawnless Arisens such as Barroch explain that they had lost their pawns in Bitterblack Isle a while ago. Yes, the strange humanoid that emerges from Awakened Daimon's corpse does get sucked back into the rift like when pawns die, however the rift does not only matter to pawns. It could be anything really, considering the countless allusions we get to somewhere "beyond the rift".

[@ThePawnedPawn]

@@alterniaphenomena5690 A pawn, by definition, has no will. Olra says herself she followed Ashe by her own will. As his pawn, but not strictly as *a* pawn. Bestowal wasn't something widely understood before. Sofia appears to have been the first we know of that really identified and studied it. Ashe, whatever the case, would have had his own unique main pawn. And unlike the others on BBI, he may never have lost it. As for Olra saying she'll become as him... It bears keeping in mind that, again, Bestowal may not have been understood very well in their time and world. So having noticed she took on Grette's form, she may have believed she would take on Ashe's as well. Which we know she did not during their journey together. Olra was human. She has her own will, she made her own decisions. She acted on her own agency. But much like Selene, she did have difficulty with it. It was easier to defer to a master, another person who could lead. And unlike The Fool, she became her own person in the end. Not just a husk, a myrmidon, a pawn - but a human. Ashe would have had his own unique pawn. Even were Olra a pawn still, Ashe would have made one too. The only time we've ever seen otherwise was in the anime and Hannah could still be considered somewhat unique.

[@alterniaphenomena5690]

@@ThePawnedPawn The problem here is that there are several statements supporting Olra being a pawn, and only one that supports her being a human using a specific interpretation of what a pawn is. I have more, Olra says "I was his pawn, and his beloved besides." That is a loaded statement, a pawn simply isn't someone who serves the Arisen, otherwise you could Caxton a pawn as well. Ashe says "Your servant, bereft of master and memory, I keep now at my side." Note that he still calls her a servant, this is corroborated by Olra again, "Yet amid that darkness, a spark of light, too, took root. Within my soul, a crude and inchoate mirror to the Arisen’s own,-" Nothing in here indicates that she had become fully human, only the bestowal of spirit. Your only other justifications are that characters have no clue what is happening, do you really think that is the intention of the writers? It is also established that in order to become fully human a pawn's Arisen must die, such as with our own and with Selene. Grette never died, she transformed into the dragon.

[@thant0s]

Genuinely thought Ash had developed an Oedipus complex, missed the part he was adopted 😂

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

The cutscene of Daimon's second form awakening was one of the most terrifying, will breaking things i have ever whitnessed in a game. I'll never forget the way his limbs just go limp seconds after this horrifying *thing* in his chest is just screaming bloody murder at you... Capcom did an amazing job depicting Daimon as just the foulest, most cursed creature to fester within Bitterblacks all consuming depths...

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

''In memory of Grette. Silent-hearted, dragonforged. With hair of gold, and will of tempered steel.'' - Ashe

[@should_296]

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[@Whienzarth]

"I'll tear the whole of it to sunder!" I really like that line

[@arcdecibel9986]

Such a cool story to discover. Really, the whole game has a brilliant story, worthy of much more than that very poorly done show.

[@enoctiskokorotis5236]

I had theorized that it would be Ashe and his Pawn(Olra?) fused but Ashe with Greta would explain and fit better into the dragon bargain he made to become Daimon A Lore of some Npcs quests would be very interesting, such as Pips's family, Feste who has a very peculiar story and even the city madman who knows about the cycle

[@Gammameem]

Can you tell me more about the madman? I can't remember him even though I achieved platinum

[@enoctiskokorotis5236]

From what I remember of him, he was a scholar who, in search of finding out more about the Rift, ended up disappearing and one day he came back crazy. The interesting part is that he is one of the only ones who seems to have knowledge about other worlds and The Senechal besides Grigori Unfortunately I don't remember his name but if I find it I'll edit it and put it here

[@vinniamsterdam700]

The name of the madman is Baudric.

[@enoctiskokorotis5236]

@@vinniamsterdam700 Yes, Baudric. I completely forgot to put it here thanks man

[@ThePawnedPawn]

Oh yes, Baudric is a favorite of ours. lol

[@ravenroc1784]

That was very interesting thank you! I have to go look and see if you did one for the reaper.

[@The_Rift]

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[@ravenroc1784]

@@The_Rift Thank you!

[@Lazypackmule]

It's crazy that we now more or less know what that dragon giving Daimon's body its power actually is

[@krishnansubramoni7801]

Wait we do?

[@Lazypackmule]

@@krishnansubramoni7801 Yes, that same dragon makes a surprise appearance in DD2

[@АндромедаАндромедовна-н1к]

​@@Lazypackmule where???

[@Lazypackmule]

@@АндромедаАндромедовна-н1к The ending

[@spacemarine1332]

Thx man 😁 im glad you made this video Also i have idea of making videos about dragon dogma and called it" what do you know about world of dragon dogma 2 before you play it" Keep it up man love your videos ❤

[@Darskul]

Daimon's story when you think about is pretty damn sad, like nearly Kratos-level sad.

[@VoidragonGaming]

After all these years, finally someone explained this mysterious Lore. Thank you for this.

[@The_Rift]

Cheers my man, but all credits should go to my lore team - Flyoutfate, The Pawned Pawn and Jappards.

[@ThePawnedPawn]

Absolutely beautiful 😃

[@jefthereaper]

Weird, In my memory I recall reading somewhere that their merged form was a punishment (likely from the Seneschal) and they were trapped on Bitterblack Isles, that was being transported between worlds through the Rift just to test other Arisen against the "demon" that defied the wheel of the world.

[@TheBulge]

Seneschal doesn't have this kind of power, it was most likely the watcher. It even looks like the watcher's dragon we see in the unmoored worlds ending.

[@jefthereaper]

@@TheBulge There is barely any information on what a Seneschal can and can't do. What we know for certain is that they have the ability to create pretty much anything.

[@TheBulge]

@jefthereaper seneschal is basically a supervisor or overseer for the world's cycle.The real power lies with the watcher. The seneschals' role is to manage the cycle and provide the final test to potential successors. If you read and listen to daimon, he's above the seneschals paygrade. A seneschal just provides will and life to the world until they run out of power and another worthy arisen ends their watch. If you actually pay attention to the story, you'll see some interesting and unexplained things and seneschal is one of those. We dont know exactly how powerful they are but we have a range. Daimon exceeds that range. I suggest replaying and paying close attention this time.

[@jefthereaper]

@TheBulge The real power does not lay with the Watcher. From what we can tell they are a step above the Seneschal, yet still nothing more than a failsafe. The real power lies with the enigmatic "Great Will". Though we know nothing of them yet.

[@demiusdan3997]

Wow ..nice vid ...SUBSCRIBED !!!

[@tomschlaiss5735]

Interesting lore and well presented video. Cheers from Germany

[@The_Rift]

Cheers from Norway ✊

[@Kat1kafka]

I hope DD2 will give us the option to romance our pawn

[@Shazoo1997]

Embracing the stereotype, are we? Always the coomer..

[@guiltyblade]

​@@Shazoo1997well it looks like the comer has been rewarded

[@caesarbarwary8620]

Hats off to you for this awesome vid 👏

[@DesireLeee]

hey man, your video looks amazing, would you please tell me what ENB mod you are using?

[@dsgdsg9764]

YES!!!!

[@drima85]

Thank you 🙏

[@chigidychad9738]

Lore yayyyyyy!

[@Kurai124]

I cant tell if this is real or headcannon

[@ouroboros3705]

ayo modlist ?

[@The_Rift]

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[@ouroboros3705]

youre a good man @@The_Rift

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

who is the insane man that taunts you in BBI? Ya know the dude that says weird shit in the dungeon?

[@Spitz643]

It is an arisen from a different world. Normally when an arisen slays the dragon all the hearts the dragon took are returned but he remains even if you defeat grigori. He ran away from his world and ended up in BBI and now has no desire to return.

[@beastren]

this is cool as trying to make your own lore but a lot of it is not true, canon, or confirmed... i hope no one takes this as the gospel truth

[@ThePawnedPawn]

We're well aware of how much is theory and/or inference. We don't come to the conclusions we have lightly (or often without some heated debating). Very little can be called canon because of how vague things were left, but we can come to some very reasonable conclusions, too, with what we're given.

[@geroso3591]

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[@patches7751]

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