The Darker Side of Goku

[@MasakoX]

Thank you for watching! Please be sure to enjoy the video, share, like and also be merry!

[@RunicSea]

I'm sure you'd be a great Dad Masako.

[@Dynelegacy]

need more what ifs during these dire times :o

[@rekc_bcq4816]

Turles or Black? *gets message from the sidelines* Oh that’s not what we’re talking about? Got it.

[@GZxuanChannel-nx9vi]

AMAZING Video, @MasakoX I Agree that Goku is Blood-Knight Character!!!

[@MasakoX]

@@RunicSea I am going to be one of those daft dads. Basically our Raditz.

[@noahwhite7268]

"Hunger is the path to the dark side." That sounds like something Goku would actually say

[@MasakoX]

Hunger leads to munchies, munchies leads to starving...starving leads to suffering.

[@TheWarmachine375]

I sense much hunger in you, Goku

[@skullythekidd0175]

@@MasakoX dark

[@XanthosAcanthus]

Hunger leads to a great many things.

[@swag-kn3uc]

I sense much hunger in goku

[@ninmastnunyabiz9404]

His distant, antisocial nature may not be due entirely to his Saiyan heritage. After all, he was raised by a hermit, and then lived completely alone for an unspecified time during his formative years. It's very likely that this had a greater impact on his aloofness than his heritage. That being said, we've seen Bardock, so it isn't COMPLETELY upbringing, but even Bardock was aware of social cues, and Vegeta, who actually knows what Saiyans are generally like, still finds Goku's behavior to be an abnormal level of sociopathy.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

I'm glad somebody said it. Vegeta's presence and actions paint a counter point to Goku and its a big one.

[@Bonzothefifth]

Keep in mind though, that Vegeta is also a bit of an exception due to his Royal background. He had to adhere to a different standard than the ‘Average Saiyan Warrior’. Bardock (and to a lesser extent, Nappa) are probably more indicative of ‘typical’ Saiyan behavior. That said, you’re right that they do at least seem more emotionally self aware and complete than Goku, who’s never really been in a position where self reflection/introspection has been necessary. He’s never really faced any social or emotional repercussions for his actions aside from the occasional backtalk or momentary rebuke. This is a case where the Dragon Teams fawning over Goku actually does him a great disservice by allowing him to buy into his own hype over the years to the point that it’s become part of his identity now. You can almost say that this is much like the ‘What if Goku Defeated Roshi’ series, just with a much later starting point. In this way, it’s easy to see why Vegeta has become a much more complete character since he’s faced constant adversity and several crushing defeats even when he surpasses his own limits physically and emotionally. Goku could use more of that these days, something that really hasn’t been seen since Raditz (and later Vegeta) beat him down so badly that he actually had to accept help.

[@ninmastnunyabiz9404]

@@Bonzothefifth Yeah, whoever's in charge of Super needs to remember that there's a Dragon TEAM, not just Goku. I mean, at least in tournament arcs, I get it, that's harder to do, but more group fights would be ideal.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

This is a good point but you're off by implying a label to it. Goku isn't a sociopath. He's not even antisocial(in the disruptive sense). He's just odd. He still cares for people deeply. He still cares for his family. He cares about his companions even when not getting anything from them ect.

[@ninmastnunyabiz9404]

@@DSan-kl2yc A sociopath is a term used to describe someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can't understand others' feelings. They'll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Goku is, like, Jack the Ripper or something (or Frieza, for an in-universe example), only that the very issue in question here is an inability on Goku's part to understand what the others are going through or the full impact of his actions on them. It's not that he doesn't care, it's that he doesn't understand. Which is also why he doesn't feel guilty. He doesn't realize that what he's done is wrong in the first place because it makes perfect sense to him.

[@trevinodude]

The best thing about this video is realizing something.... Goku is a good guy, but even he has flaws. He doesn't notice his flaws because everyone forgives his flaws because he's such a good guy. Prehaps Goku could work on these flaws if anyone brought it up to him more, but no one ever does. In a way... while Goku trains his body... he doesn't 'train' himself to be a better person because no one challenges him too.

[@MasakoX]

Precisely. They all admire him for the fact he has saved their world so many times. Through repeated acts, he thinks that by achieving a good outcome his way, it's OK.

[@cassandrajenkins9095]

I think Chi Chi tries to but her approach can't always be screaming at the top of her lungs.

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

Didn’t Picollo chew him out when Gohan was getting pummeled by Perfect Cell pre ssj2 . Masako knows this scene very well ;)

[@trevinodude]

@@ElPresidenteMargz Yes he did. Piccolo was the one who had to point out to Goku that Gohan didn't enjoy fighting the way he did.

[@jasonlisonbee]

@@ElPresidenteMargz Only Goku knew that Gohan was going to win, how he had to be pushed first, and nobody else including himself had half a chance.

[@cosplayingzoroark7292]

I feel that the point about him not sharing moves was a little off. There’s a difference between knowing how to do something and teaching someone how to do that same thing. Goku teaches everyone he can how to become a Super Saiyan and the Kamehameha, techniques that he learned without the help of a teacher. All of the other techniques were taught to him, and maybe because of that, he may not be able to express how the technique works in a teachable manner. It might also be that those other moves took literally months to learn from their respective masters and he doesn’t have the attention span to dedicate what would be much longer time to pass down those techniques

[@AaronLitz]

Plus it took the tutelage of either advanced aliens or a literal deity for him to learn those things. Goku probably just isn't up to the task of teaching the Genki Dama, Kaioken, or Instant Transmission to others. Also, it's never been shown that anyone else has ever *asked* to be taught those abilities.

[@hoshiryu]

@@AaronLitz ok but 5 years later he becomes Uub his Master

[@PizzaDwight]

He could just replicate those teachings. Or for the sake of argument, let’s say he just can’t teach that well. Why not have them go to king kai?? They could at least learn the spirit bomb and kaioken. Gohan is the only one who could reasonably train with beerus so him &whis aren’t worth mentioning.

[@cosplayingzoroark7292]

Pizza Dwight most of the old guard has trained under King kai, or at least spoken with him. Where does personal responsibility come into play?

[@jakdaxter6033]

@@Hoaxcast I'm literally this way. Every time someone asks me to teach them guitar, i always end up either telling them to watch me, or just kinda taking their hands and putting them where they're supposed to go so i always thought that this was probably Goku's problem. Some people just aren't cut out to teach. Goku is probably one of those people.

[@daveshovel5292]

I 've always thought parts of the kakarot personality has been leaking into gokus persona over years with the increases in power and time

[@MasakoX]

Indeed, the Broly namedrop of Kakarot is a real indicator of that.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

@@MasakoX agreed. The fact that Goku called himself Kakarot sort of floored me and still does. I get the Meta-joke part of it, but also in character its a indicator of Goku's sense of self that we've never had before.

[@meganinten0078]

@@MasakoX I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. For me when Goku shows his worst side when the saiyan instincts dominate his personality. Goku in GT at least dominated those instincts so he became SSJ4 The ancient power of saiyan with a heart of a human.

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

MegaNinten 007 I feel he accepted his saiyan side when he first turned into a super saiyan on namek

[@decimation9780]

@@meganinten0078 I wouldn’t say he completely dominated those Saiyan instincts. He was more than willing to mercilessly execute villains just because he could, and was going to off one of the dark dragons A la Frieza style, with a single beam through the head.

[@crisisamonginfinitedarthsa4220]

Vegeta: A Saiyan gets his power from his pride and anger. Goku: Good...good... Vegeta: What was that? Did you hear Palpatine just now Kakarot? Goku: Oh, no! I didn't hear anything!

[@fernandocervantes6074]

Palpatine in his Goku's mind: DO IT

[@Astralopithicus]

The hunger side is a pathway to many abilities some sayians even consider,unnatural

[@AndrewAce.]

Lmao

[@CryonicArrow]

Darth Goku: Yes Gohan let the hunger flow trough you.

[@Xylospring]

I feel like he was before Raditz arrived. After the Saiyans came and influenced him, his Saiyan side his reacting more.

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Xylospring that’s my thought. After Raditz came, there became the need to get stronger.

[@balthezaar100]

I never really saw Goku as a "hero". More like a guy who just loved a good fight and generally cared about his friends even if he sometimes forgot they existed.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Nah he's definitely a hero. He's just not a cop or a superhero. He doesn't go around looking to save the world or whatever.

[@ilhandaanish2381]

D. San he is a defender of earth. He basically stops mass extinction of humans on earth but with crimes he mostly lets em happen

[@Puerco-Potter]

Everybody blames Vegeta for letting cell absorb Android 18, Goku would have fetched Android 1 to 20 for cell to absorb if that would make a better fight hahaha

[@michaelgillespie9112]

@@ilhandaanish2381 I think it's a good thing Goku let's those things happen even if he stops them when he sees them, mostly because I believe that while the things comic heroes do like stopping crime is noble, they should mainly just stop threats to humanity, and let humanity itself sort their problems out, sure they can help when things get really bad, like Gotham City, but other than that they should let humanity grow on its own.

[@jeremyjean-pierre4977]

@@Puerco-Potter Yes. Except for Android 8, he wouldn't betray his friend like that

[@TheWarmachine375]

"Hunger is the path to the Dark Side." - Jedi Master Son Goku Great, now I'm hungry and it's time for dinner.

[@Astralopithicus]

How can I learn this power,master?

[@agamez1402]

@@Astralopithicus don't eat

[@spammer44]

@@agamez1402 ez death

[@norahsnewgroove]

No need to worry about repercussions when Dragon Balls exist.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Shadow Dragons: "Are we a joke to you?"

[@frgrangel]

@@TheWarmachine375 "you're non-canon and don't exist in the main continuity so yes, you are a joke"

[@mr.braindead8151]

@@TheWarmachine375 sssssshhhhh

[@bibububi9222]

@@frgrangel Shadow Dragons: *sad music

[@meganinten0078]

@@TheWarmachine375 One of the things GT did right

[@AndyJP]

Goku vs WW2: Okay, I'll come back when you've created your weapons of mass destruction. I will be training to fight you at your best!

[@thecake6635]

Government: STOP HIM, NOW! Goku: this is the only chance I have to see them at their best!

[@SploogeCannon]

Harry Truman: in five minutes Japan will explode Goku: make it 4

[@jasonlisonbee]

Goku probably couldn't lose by the time he got what he could from Roshi's training. Probably Roshi could handle them all without sweating much.

[@rawsodium1962]

Y'all joke, but I think there was an animation somewhere along the lines of this.

[@jasonlisonbee]

@@rawsodium1962 Goten and Trunks sweeping up evil zombies marching?

[@mjqhina7399]

Maybe he's getting back his saiyan instincts that were lost due to the head injury he suffered....maybe he is slowly becoming the person he was meant to be 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@chaoscontroller316]

Someone already made a What If story about if this came full force.

[@tracyndiyob162]

i did always think that goku's saiyan transformations were awakening/bringing some ancient saiyan spirit to the surface(the inhumane roar he lets out in ultra instinct is similar to the roar he let out when he 1st transformed and it is stated by toriyama that the god ki shown in the super saiyan god transformation is yamoshis spirit which makes me think for ultra instinct/mastered goku is being possessed and guided by his spirit.)

[@leisurelyindex]

@@chaoscontroller316 Let me guess. Salad Saiyan?

[@GohanLSSJ2]

@@tracyndiyob162 It could be. It could even explain why Goku gradually evolves from the moral center of the story in Dragon Ball, to the guy who willingly sat on his ass training for three years instead of hunting down Gero to prevent all the deaths from the Androids and Cell.

[@baboner1046]

I dont think the dude ever lost his instincts, just his mission.

[@nolanlynch2430]

I think theres one key thing people miss and that is that Goku has brain damage. I hope Masako looks into this. There's many accounts of people with brain injuries who have personality disorders or become prone to impulsive behaviors. Or stay locked in younger states of thinking pack that on with the fact that saiyans age much slower and keep their youthfulness you get mix of possible disorders. At least compared to human culture. But even Vegeta the most Saiyan of Saiyans is able to adapt. So when it comes down to it. Goku's muffin button is a bit broken. But that's just a theory.....aaaa Sayian theory! (I'll see myself out)

[@jrcsmash2150]

Someday a Goku will get a his worst beatdown ever “The harsh truth of reality”. Someday he will learn that even with resurrecting Dragon Balls his actions hurt his friends and family. That there’s far more to life than just fighting. To finally ask himself What am I Really fighting for? Obviously not to become heroic or any of that stuff. But for him to value those slice of life moments that no Saiyan before him ever had. Friends,family, teachers with great morale,etc.

[@dinokaiser]

I think a problem with that is the series refuses to ever force him to deal with the consequences in any serious way, the closest we ever got was the cell saga who was born as a direct result of Gokus actions against the Red Ribbon Army and even then all of that was reversed by the Buu saga. Even the universe tournament arc started off as HIS FAULT (remember Gohans horrified reaction to what his father did by requesting Xeno to do a tournament?) only for the writers to insert a line later about how "oh the universes were gonna be destroyed anyway, so in a round about way he actually saved everyone by giving everyone a fighting chance!". I've come to terms with the fact that Dragonball will never be a place for these sorts of more serious takes and while I do feel that it's for the better (a ultra serious take on Dragonball is not what anyone needs) the fact that every single series focusses on Goku opens more oppurtunities to show just how flawed he is without consequence when for many parts of the world he was a heroic figure rather than the insatiably battle hungry character he is.

[@Darkdayzz]

Toei: "Yeah nah, nah yeah nah nah yeah nah.... Nah."

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@dinokaiser Yeah, Goku needs a challenge that he can't simply punch his way out of.

[@meganinten0078]

The Goku from the Buu saga was the more mature. Even GT Goku personality was better that Super Goku

[@SploogeCannon]

@@dinokaiser dark stories definitely have their place in dragonball, see future trunks

[@dalerubio316]

Goku black: come to the dark side we have grape flavored things goku:...you monster.....

[@TheWarmachine375]

You pressed the Grape Flavored Button

[@lightyagami8972]

@@TheWarmachine375 muffin button?

[@skullythekidd0175]

@@lightyagami8972 no... Grape flavored (he doesn't like grape flavored)

[@TheWarmachine375]

Grape Flavored is TFS Goku's Berserk Button

[@skullythekidd0175]

@@TheWarmachine375 yep

[@EunoiaRPG]

Goku is like a bomb technician that buys/makes explosives just to see if he can disarm them lol

[@dreadrath]

You make a good point about how Goku sees friendships. Weird as it sounds, I think that's a big part of why I like how he interacts with Frieza, trying to bring the best out in him while Frieza tries to bring out the worst in Goku, and they've both has limited success in doing so.

[@XenoGamer521]

I see Goku the same way I see a character like Kirby. Their self interests are what drives them to do most of what they do but if something happens, they're willing to step up to help people. Absolutely not the best person but still a good one.

[@BJGvideos]

Dammit now I wanna see them at an eating contest.

[@ashiel035]

Considering that Toriyama just redcon the Bardock special and turned almost all the Saiyans into more social creatures, the fact that Goku acts this way makes me feel like Toriyama wants to have both his version of the saiyans as well as the version in the special.

[@ssjbread2803]

Toriyama says both are canon, and that you basically gotta mesh them together somehow. Dbs bardock is still the same Bardock...though now hes considerably stronger since he was actually able to slow the supernova down.

[@jaredstar]

@@ssjbread2803 by maybe half a second

[@ssjbread2803]

@@jaredstar it visibly slows down when his attack connects, which is still way stronger than dbz bardock who didnt even dent it

[@jaredstar]

@@ssjbread2803 once again he slowed it down by maybe half a second I just watched it three times

[@Xylospring]

Ever wonder who has a bigger influence in Cells Personality?

[@TheWarmachine375]

Nah, Cell is Perfect. He is his own character. :P

[@willchalloner6643]

Hmm 1st form is more Namek Vegeta , clever and tactical , while gloating when on the winning end 2nd is more thuggish so idk 3rd has got the challenger nature of Goku and the superiority complex of frieza

[@shemarwhit8977]

@@willchalloner6643 Ehhh I would say 2nd form cell has a rather more egotistical nature until someone comes to beat him down. Which I guess could resemble more of Vegeta's cocky nature on the back end. First form seems like Piccolo mostly for me but Namek vegeta actually fits that too now that I think of it. But I agree with the last part.

[@priestesslucy]

@@willchalloner6643 do not forget Goku's own superiority complex. It's a subtle thing, not lorded over people in a social context like Frieza but it is certainly in there.

[@knightstudio9985]

Cell prideful like vegeta enjoy fighting like goku manipulation and cold like frieza over confident like yamach had regenerated like piccolo angry power up like gohan alway training like tien pretty much all z fighter characteristics

[@Bonzothefifth]

That also explains his most “combative” (as well as probably his most enduring) relationship: Vegeta. Every interaction between the two is a combat of some kind or another. Hell, Vegeta never even refers to Goku by his name, maintaining to this day to only refer to him as Kakarot. TFS really got this aspect of their ‘best buddy’ relationship. In a lot of ways, I feel like Vegeta approaches their relationship in the same way (though he more explicitly acknowledges it as a rivalry).

[@NaoyaYami]

Now that you mention it, after watching this video it makes even more sense that TFS Goku constantly calls Vegeta "best buddy" - he may in fact truly believe so (it also explains why Goku lost interest in relationship with Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, etc.)

[@mylightobscures]

He didn't lose interest tho, he kinda maintained the same relation with em Yamcha was always kinda just there, Tien's a thing, Piccolo's basically part of his family and Krillin's his best friend

[@Bonzothefifth]

xGSUltiSpiritx True, but you do see him interacting with them less and less over time. And certainly with a different kind of enthusiasm than he exhibits with Vegeta. Though even that fades a bit one you start seeing characters like Hit and Jiren enter the story-another plot effect that TFS nailed in their Super short comparing Goku’s attitude towards Hit as an act of adultery towards Vegeta. None of this is to say that he doesn’t care about them anymore or has actively discarded the others from his life, or even become less emotionally attached, but their ‘closeness’ to him (and consequently their relevance to the plot) has always been directly related to their ability to give him a good fight.

[@mylightobscures]

I'm not sure I completely agree Yeah, he's always excited to meet new people, particularly strong fighters but I wouldn't say he loses interest in his friends, or grows apart from them; he just keeps gaining interest in an expanding roster of characters introduced to him Goku is constantly training and trying to push his limits.. makes sense that, to do so, he needs ever stronger opponents to face and is eager to do so I understand the joke TFS made treating every new 'rival' as an ex-love interest and it's not really wrong but... it's not like he's not open to sparring his old friends (like Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, even Piccolo).. it's more like they don't want to (rightfully so since they don't stand much of a chance/pose much of a challenge)--- which I think kinda leads into another discussion (which questions why the Z Fighters allow themselves to stay relatively week when they could be capable of more if they were willing to try) but I'll get back on track In Super, Goku's had the chance to spar with Krillin twice and it's not like he didn't enjoy it (the second time anyways, the first time kinda was part of the arc to encourage Krillin's training again); nor is that the end of their relationship Unlike in Z, where there were constant threats and situations preventing such interactions, and DB, where Goku was on a global adventure for the Dragon Balls and training, DBS has provided alot of slice of life content where we see the Z Fighters' daily lives When u think of the 5 ish years Goku spent alone with Chichi between the end of DB and the start of Z, and other instances like that where it seems Goku is off doing his own thing and doesn't visit or communicate with his friends, I feel like ppl forget it's a two-way street: these characters can literally travel the world easily and yet it was Goku who made the first move to find his friends again and introduce them to his son However, in Super, we often see the characters visit each other If anything, I think the fault (maybe a bit aggressive of a term but I mean the cause/reason) lied/lies with the ppl writing the stories of DB for not showing more of Goku interacting with friends and family just cuz they are friends and family-- not in relation to his life-long journey of training-- but then again, would it be interesting to watch? Maybe, since the slice of life episodes in Super typically had a little plot of their own and interesting moments There is one last thing I want to touch on to conclude this reply: the life-long journey of training I mentioned in the last paragraph Goku isn't that friend who's like "oh yeah I'm on a new diet and I go to the gym 3 times a week"; his life is the diet and the world is his gym Training takes dedication, and Goku is clearly committed and enjoys it Just cuz now he can stay home in DBS semi-permanently until he dies again doesn't mean he still isn't on that personal journey that once took him all over the world, and even through planes of existence And just cuz he'd rather train than do farm work or whatever doesn't mean he's bad at family life, the Son family literally doesn't really need to do anything (they know Bulma and Mr.Satan)

[@bladerVII]

Why does Goku not teach any of the moves he's learned? Well, if my memory is correct, it's because any of his HUMAN friends never want to train with him. They always say they want to train at their own pace, which isn't a bad thing. The only ones who have trained with Goku are Piccolo or anyone with saiyan blood (for the most part). This also apply's to Goku's social life. Though Goku could tone down on the training just a bit to be more social, his friends don't seem to go out of their way to do his hobby either! Nor do they seem to visit him! It's a two way street, yet Goku get's all the flak!

[@solidskullz5736]

I always thought that the darker side of Goku was when he got genuinely angry like when he went super saiyan after Frieza blew up krillin. Goku doesn’t get that angry often and that’s how I perceived it

[@MasakoX]

Of course, that plays into it in some way. SSJ is inherently a less good power based around a negative emotion...to even access it takes some kind of less-than-perfect mindset.

[@engagepwner3396]

@@MasakoX Does this imply something about Goten and Trunks?

[@Priceluked]

@@engagepwner3396 No because they got the power by doing nothing in particular.

[@cassandrajenkins9095]

And when Goku gets truly angry, it's scary as hell. And Sean's booming voice adds more emotion and impact to that anger. When he speaks you shut the hell up and listen.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@cassandrajenkins9095 Even in Japanese, Masako's voice gets deeper for when he's pissed off. Nice touch.

[@dontquestionme7673]

I'm just wanting the manga or the anime delve in to this maybe as a side story or as a semi serious joke story

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Do y’all think Goku dying and being brought back from the Afterlife had an effect on his confidence? Or maybe after he achieved Super Saiyan...

[@beaushorkey9313]

That he feels entitled to your friendship made a lot of sense now. In Super when he forced Zamsus to fight him. You're right he thought he was interesting so he felt he could just do what he wanted. And that caused the whole Goku Black arch to start. His selfishness

[@sofianavarroortega713]

Agreed

[@mylightobscures]

I mean, there really was nothing wrong with him meeting Zamasu His triggers were mostly related to Gowasu's carelessness-- the reason he believes he has the right to act the way he does (in his mind, not only are the mortals to blame, but also the gods who watch over them-- I'm pretty sure he mentions it both when justifying his use of Goku's body and also when fusing with said body) I feel like things would have been different if Gowasu had shown Zamasu a planet where savage life fully realized a mostly peaceful and prosperous: like U7's Earth (despite not being perfect and also probably housing issues that would trigger Zamasu) Or if Gowasu had just told Zamasu of all the things Goku accomplished for his world (although, now that I think about it he did wish on the super Dragon Balls to learn of everything about Goku so.. I feel like he should've known... or maybe it wouldn't have mattered?)

[@brendanlyttle7614]

Hunger leads to food, food leads to more food, and more food leads to more hunger. This is the first and only reality of Sith-Goku!

[@Kentrc11]

Dr. Lychee: And Yooouuu.... Goku: Um... Dr. Lychee: Your ceaseless lust for battle has endangered not only your family, but your entire planet time, and time again! You are a danger to the entire universe!

[@femalepapyrus]

Goku: how my desire for fighting stronger people put the universe in danger Ad pulls up for dragon ball super

[@mcurran6505]

Goku: WHAT that's silly how can I endanger the entire universe?

[@ThunderNecros]

Kentrc11 What if I told you Zeno was going to erase the universes with the lower mortal levels anyway, and Goku actually gave the universes a fighting chance.

[@Webshooters1]

@@mcurran6505 *shows ad for Dragonball Super's ToP arc*

[@1hyugaclan1]

Goku has a dark side? I mean he did risk the multiverse for a good fight, he did almost let cell destroy the world, he did let Frieza power up to 100%, he put a f***in dragon Ball on his kid's head, and he ditched gohan, chichi, and gotten for 7 years so he could train without anyone bothering him.

[@EuropeanMapper]

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[@jasonlisonbee]

The multiverse, including U7, was already up for deletion. Goku inadvertently reminded Zeno of the plan for a tournament so that one universe of the group would be spared. Someone spun that to make characters believe that the danger was his fault.

[@Webshooters1]

@@jasonlisonbee That was a retcon. It painted Goku in a negative light so they threw out that line to make him look better.

[@rawsodium1962]

Not to mention when he was prepared to blast Supreme Kai when he got between him and Majin Vegeta.

[@jasonlisonbee]

@@rawsodium1962 Vegeta was so determined to fight. Goku knew he couldn't blow him off any longer. He just wanted it to be clear to Shin. He had to get it done to move on.

[@eleos-7845]

It makes why Goku doesn’t teach his friends his techniques, or the majority of his techniques. You could say that since Goku learned the majority of his skills from others, Goku can just tell whomever to go train with his previous masters. But, you could also say that Goku does not want another form of himself running around. That’s probably why he didn’t want to train Pan: she was too young and impressionable. She would have the mindset of becoming strong just like Goku. If Goku fought another form of himself after he trained them, he would get bored since he knows every trick they would about to do, since that’s what Goku himself would have done.

[@ArtOfTreasury111]

He's really power hungry. More power hungry than Vegeta.

[@MasakoX]

He's just hungry full stop.

[@H3rmon861]

Man, this video makes me want to have a good writer tackling this subject in more depth. Would love to see Goku getting challenged on those unexplored avenues of his character

[@MasakoX]

I feel it can easily be done. Make him realise his faults and find a way to correct them which are in keeping with who he is.

[@H3rmon861]

That'd be awesome and would love to read a story about Goku changing and growing for the better. Too bad it'll probably never happen in canon because it may too audacious of a story concept

[@sassycat]

@@H3rmon861 - not enough boss fights for Toei's liking.

[@PoggoMcDawggo]

@@sassycat If there's not enough boss fights to sell that merch they ain't gonna do it.

[@andresmarrero8666]

The whole "doesn't have the concept of family because he is an alien" bit is what I considered bull as he was raised by Grandpa Gohan so he definitely knows what a family is and was so at the beginning of Z. In fact the whole martial arts focus of the original dragon ball goes against this including what Roshi originally said to Goku when he started training him. It seems that ever since Namek, Toriyama has been rewriting Goku's character ever since Namek where Goku's traits were retrospectively imposed to be Saiyan traits, and then Toriyama's immense dislike of the dub that made Goku more heroic so Toriyama kept changing Goku to make him "not Superman dispite Minus being a thing" at the expense of everyone's character and then Super came around and pushed him into such extremes of character that he is completely unlikable. The whole bit of being overconfident didn't even exist until Super.

[@tracyndiyob162]

i agree completly and its why i really want him to stop being the focus of the series,their're way more interesting characters then him and compared to dragonball and early z they really forgot goku's charm and reason for fighting just to keep him from being compared to superman when outside of origin story(to be fair to goku,super mans story is basically ripped from moses anyways so that comparison wasnt too founded.)

[@chriscannon8144]

That's almost exactly along the lines of what Mistarefusion said about him, and I wholeheartedly agree. Constantly changing and rewriting a character can cause a huge mess, and it really showed.

[@allaroundlazy2845]

I like how you specified dub when Toriyama would see the japanese version and said even the japanese version made him a bit too heroic.

[@chriscannon8144]

@@allaroundlazy2845 Including the movies, like Tree of Might.

[@mylightobscures]

Goku's been overconfident alot even back in OG DB Stuff like him beating on random enemies on his journey to find the balls, his fight with Krillin in the tournament, his fight with Tien It's not particularly new for him to be confident in his abilities I think the biggest change is the tone of Super, that is laid back typically, following after the suspense-filled Z era, where we had threat after threat and felt the stakes Goku didn't really have time to play around and just do what he likes the way he does in Super: train and test his limits

[@mlgdoge6514]

The first picture of Goku in the thumbnail is when the teacher sees that you copied your friends homework.

[@MasakoX]

"You done goofed, son?" "I....I done goofed."

[@Superstar5_]

Why does my teacher have Golden Hair?

[@dariusdefour5365]

To be honest the thumbnail literally is stupid. I want the darker much more gruesome thumbnail.

[@abhishekjain3148]

Goku said it himself when Jiten tried to blow his friends away. He doesn't think of himself hero of justice or anything, but if anyone tries to hurt his friends he'll get really mad. And mostly he agrees to fight evildoers because he just wants to fight someone strong.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Pretty much. The only "evildoer" he legitimately chose to fight because it was the right thing was the first time against Freeza after Vegeta bared his soul to him.

[@abhishekjain3148]

@@Drums_of_Liberation 😂yeah. But before that touching speech, he just wanted to fight freeza because he sounded strong!

[@Xylospring]

As seen with his rage during the Goku Black Arc...Yes. dear God that rage.

[@TheWarmachine375]

To be fair, Funimation did make Goku sound like DBZ's own version of Superman with Sean Schemmel's vocals and it did not help the case when DBS Broly movie showed us Bardock and Gine sending Goku away to Earth before the planet and race of Saiyans were destroyed.

[@MasakoX]

Oh they totally did; that's what modified the West's stance on Goku. He was a straight up hero but now with Super's dub being more direct with the original script and without alternative dubs, Goku in Super is totally diffrerent to the OG English dub.

[@TheWarmachine375]

@@MasakoX Guess so. You did Goku well in DBZ Abridged too and I love how you portrayed him in one of the best TFS shows ever. :D

[@AaronLitz]

If you put it in Dungeons & Dragons terms Goku would actually probably be either Neutral or Chaotic Neutral. He's good to his friends and loved ones, and if he comes across someone in need of help he'll usually try to help out, but he doesn't go out of his way to be a crusading do-gooder or make the world a better place. (That's why any comparisons to Superman or other superheroes fall flat.) Of course if he comes across a major villain up to something bad he'll try to stop it, but that's because he's not a bad person... he just isn't a Good person either. His morality is basically based on proximity and personal connection... like most people. And of course he's a Saiyan so he has a selfish love of battle, and in the heat of the moment that can override almost every other concern.

[@grabisoft]

I think it's no coincidence that in super, during the intro there is a little flash of goku split face shot with a kaioken aura and evil face.

[@grabisoft]

@R* no its goku, besides, its the intro to the tournament of power, goku black was done by then

[@Onzaru]

i still stand by the notion that the whole of Super was Goku having a mid life crisis

[@matti.8465]

I know this might piss off some people, and might feel like Goku is now a shadow of his former self....but I honestly love it. He's flawed, it adds a depth that's fun to analyze. It's also worth nothing that Goku's only real friends he made them as a kid, his newer ones are more sparing partners who don't necessarily like him.

[@jamesclapham9776]

I agree with many of your points; I think there's a lot about Goku that is misinterpreted, even by production staff. Goku is self-centered, and often dissociates from those he comes into contact with. After a loss, like losing Grandpa Gohan(without warning,) anyone in his shoes would suffer psychologically. You don't want to be left alone, but you can't allow yourself to become too attached to those around you, in order to avoid further pain. Time and time again, Goku has suffered losses that pushed him further away from others. These contradictory beliefs would drive him further into the dark, if he didn't have a companion who was capable of overcoming the same challenges he faces. He found that in Vegeta, but with all things, development takes time and effort. That's why he was so devastated when Vegeta turned Majin against him. All of his work being for nothing? That would break my heart.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Goku. Eat a snickers. You're not you when you're hungry.

[@TheWarmachine375]

And Vegeta

[@animefan77]

9:20- It's not the fact that he suddenly decided to have Zeno hold the Tournament of Power with no idea that it would lead to multi-universal destruction with not much concern because he was feeling he was slacking off that bothered me- it's that he saw first what Zeno's solution for any problem is to go completely overkill- example being the destruction of Future Trunks' entire timeline just to get rid of Infinite Zamasu- at the hands of his future counterpart and expected that it wouldn't be the case for the punishment of losing the tournament in spite of being warned that that's his usual way of dealing with any problem that's too problematic. And that he didn't directly tell his friends about it and sort of roped them in because he needed the team. Which feeds into his belief that he can get his way if he muscles through it.

[@SIG442]

I noticed the same trough out DBZ and even more so in DBS. With hindsight he had it from the very start which may be the reason why the Earth gets also in so much trouble. It is being said in the actual show that if Goku wasn't around the Earth would have a lot more peace, I think extending that to the universe may be a very good point as well. Goku is known for leaving people behind and going his own way, yet idolized so much that most people ignore this and just say that it's just the way he is. If there is a lot more to come, then I do think we will see Goku actually turning evil to which end everyone has to join forces to take him down. This may also be why the gods and angels are so interested in him. It could well be that Goku is the one that in the future will destroy planets just to get his fix for battle. So Goku turning god of destruction will actually be in the cards but the lust for power and being the best together with his idea of "no one can beat me" will likely be his undoing.

[@drawer29]

New upload! I remember you talking about this!

[@MasakoX]

Yes, finally after weeks of shuffling this around it's time to actually see it haha

[@drawer29]

@@MasakoX Haha! At last!

[@ZekeAxel]

Like, one part that pissed me off about Goku. During Freiza's ressurection, Freiza shows up and TORTURES Gohan to lure Goku out. And when Goku arrives, he treats the fight with Freiza like a fun little duel, letting him power up and all that. Like, his son was just tortured! And he just wants a fun fight!

[@AhmOOO]

StarTsurugi Wdym? He said he didn’t like to fight Frieza when he fought him.

[@priestesslucy]

*Family isn't part of Goku's character* At that point in the series Goku is less attached to Gohan (this kid that popped out of Chichi) than he is to Krillin (his first/second rival depending on interpretation, and the partner he grew up training the turtle style with.) It's entirely possible Gohan being murdered infront of Goku would have had an insufficient emotional response to trigger Goku's first use of Super Saiyan

[@AhmOOO]

Lucy Kassune You forgot to see the time when Goku risked his life to save Gohan when Raditz captured him. Goku loves his son more then Krillin.

[@priestesslucy]

@@AhmOOO I never said Goku didn't care at all. I said he has no concept of family. He also has no concept of fear lol, he does what he wants without regard for the risk.

[@justanotherdoug2637]

I would like to see Toyotaro and Toriyama take Goku down a path that results in self reflection for once. I mean genuine potential change. Much like the Universal Survival Tournament almost resulted in widespread death, it would be great if Goku's bumbling actions were finally able to lead to Goku experiencing true loss, such as PERMANENT death of someone. And Goku reflects on how "with great power comes great responsibility". It would be amazing to see Goku finally lose his undying lust for combat and see Vegeta become this voice of reason and true Leadership, but of course it would be no fun for him without Goku there pushing him, and Vegeta undergoes a journey WITH Goku of self reflection and possibly righting the wrong of someone's permanent death. Perhaps both would fundamentally grow and we could see Goku accept the mantle of most powerful being in the universe (or close to it) while finally being logical about what his actions can cause. But instead. It will always be unfettered "IMA FIGHT YOU NOW" and consequences be damned.

[@TheKyrix82]

"We're looking at you, Krillin, in particular" Well, remember his friend beat a demon god, then trained with actual god while convincing him to revive a magical wish granting dragon to restore him to life...back before that became commonplace. Only 4 people were brought back to life in Dragon Ball, and only Krillin and Bora were specifically quested for...Roshi and Chiaotzu were afterthoughts tacked on to the Krillin wish, Goku's goal was first to avenge Krillin, then revive him. And these were early in Krillin's formative years, that kinda thing sticks with you. Plus his death was THE thing that made Goku a Super Saiyan, which just reinforces to him that he matters to his friend.

[@scottyboyo6236]

Its interesting that the way you describe Goku is very similar to how Asperger's works for many people. My step bro has mild Asperger's which heavily affects his social functions, he would think that he simply deserves friends and that he shouldn't have to earn them, he also felt entitled to simply get something from them just cause he asked as well didn't like to share anything of his and was quite selfish, personal space was also an issue among other social cues. he also has a hard time differing friend from family in terms of attachment, now of course this doesn't apply to all folks with Asperger's even my step bro though he was really bad for a lot of his life has improved significantly due in large part to my help. Anyway my point is that Goku seems to have much in common with my step bro and other with Asperger's, which in all honestly i only clued into after you reminded me of some of Goku's not so great qualities lol

[@TimedRevolver]

Goku may also just be bad at teaching actual techniques. He probably thinks that if his friends want to learn, they can go to the source, like King Kai...or find someone from Yardrat. It probably hasn't occurred to him that HE could actually teach these techniques.

[@rabronin]

Goku, like any other character, is imperfect. So I believe his flaws make him who he is. While these flaws can be worked on in future stories, they shouldn't be erased entirely to make him more appealing.

[@Archadianite]

Is it odd that I find Goku alot more interesting than the run-off-the-mill good guy because of this trait of his?

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Yeah, he's more atypical thanks to not being the usual "goody two-shoes".

[@jangofett4547]

Yeah. He is reckless dumb but a genius in battle. Lol He lets Villains Power up only to get a kick. And he really gets mad when his friends dies.

[@Hwarming]

That's why I like dub Goku better, he's actually heroic and wants to help people

[@GhostyPlays1294]

ME BEFORE WATCHING - I walked into something that is kinda fishy. Huh I want to watch it though. ME AFTER WATCHING - Woah this video is cool and I love this dude 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@Yoxiv]

It's kind of like a twisted take on the Wreck-It Ralph quote "Just because you are bad guy, does not mean you are *bad guy*" Goku is a good guy, but he's not a "good guy", not the kind that we're used to or know by the technical definition. He's capable of selflessness in certain moments, but will still leap at a chance to satiate his lust for battle. In some ways, he kind of straddles the line of being an Antihero, but still possessing some nobler traits than what a traditional Antihero would have. While it may mean his idiocy can be exhausting, it's still kind of refreshing to see a heroic character who isn't just the typical "goody-two-shoes", because you can never really guess what Goku will do next.

[@ningensan8198]

Exactly 👌

[@PastaHDTV]

Home cuz my school got canceled and ur videos and what if’s are getting me through this lol

[@Chikararyoku]

silly and possibly dangerous anti hero, who would do anything so he could get a good fight the supreme kai stands in the way of a fight with Vegeta; threaten him with a ki blast there's a tournament with strong fighters from 7 other universes, let's go! who cares their universes get erased if they lose so long as I have my fun?

[@ssjbread2803]

To be fair, their universes would be erased anyway, though Goku had no way of knowing that.

[@AhmOOO]

But Goku didn’t know Zeno was going to erase the universes if he asked about the tournament, all he knew is having great fights.

[@ssjbread2803]

@@AhmOOO No, he knew about it. Beerus yelled at him over it, and several others comment on it especially in the manga, but he doesnt care, he just wants a fight.

[@AhmOOO]

Ssj Bread But Goku still didn’t know what Zeno would do to the losers until the grand priest said so, he was shocked. And he did make up his accidental mistake by pretty much taking down Jiren and then would of asked for the universes to be brought back but 17 did it for him. Nobody knew Zeno was going to erase the universes anyway before Goku asked or the consequences. I’m sure Beerus yelled at him after he and Goku found out about the losing universes.

[@ssjbread2803]

@@AhmOOO He wasnt shocked, and he even outright threatens beerus with the zeno button when he tries to get him to call it off.

[@greenluck10]

Thought he really said "Hundai is the way to the dark side"

[@XanderVJ]

While I understand the desire of looking for in-universe explanations for these kinds of things, I just can't do it for Goku, or for most of "Dragon Ball" for that matter. Namely because, once you understand the circumstances in which Toriyama wrote those character hiccups, in-universe explanations feel way too weak by comparison. The thing is, Goku's character inconsistencies start making much more sense when you realize something: They are, for the most part, plot-driven. Now, not necessarily in the sense of "Toriyama writes him as the plot demands" (although there are instances of that too), but rather "Toriyama writes him to make the plot advance while fending off the elements external to the narrative that constrain him". Whether those elements are demands from his editors, the popularity polls from Shonen Jump, his reaction to the story's portrayal in the anime, or just his personal burn-out (I think this last one is probably the biggest one, and that it's still under discussed). Now, I'm talking about the Z section here. In "Super" it's just Toriyama going full George Lucas, mixed with probably some lingering resentment from said burn out. DBS Goku is just a caricature of his former self, way too big to take ANYTHING he does seriously, whether going by in-universe explanations or out-of-universe explanations.

[@OneOnOne1162]

In general the way I'd sum it up is: Goku cares about others and will defend his friends but is incredibly selfish, reckless and overconfident.

[@OneOnOne1162]

Although to be fair, I'm sure it's easy to become overconfident and reckless when you're a god and you have dragon balls.

[@matti.8465]

@@OneOnOne1162 Vegeta started with the largest ego but all his loses led to self reflection and change. Goku thinks he can do anything and has never been proven wrong. He almost always wins and when he doesn't he treats it like a temporary setback so he has no reason to change

[@Manfromthenorth0551]

I think it's important to take into consideration Goku's childhood and upbringing. Goku was raised in the woods by and old man that was as much his martial arts master as he was a father-figure. He was never educated and never experienced any social norms. Hell he didn't even know what a girl was, and thought marriage was a food. All he knows is fighting and competition, And both all 3 aspects are apart of almost all of his social connections. Krillin was a rival before he was a friend. Chi-Chi became a martial artist and fought him in the tournament to win over Goku. Tien: Rival-to-Friend Yamcha: Rival-to-Friend Piccolo jr: Rival-to-Friend Vegeta: Rival-to-Friend ect, ect... All of his personal rivalries besides Frieza, Cell, Goku Black/Zamasu end with them becoming his friend. When you say that Goku views friends ships as combat, well it really is for him. It's in almost all of his relationships. To Goku Fighting=Friendship in almost all cases. How could goku view friendships as anything else since he's constantly getting that idea reinforced into his head? The only real exception to this is Bulma. Bulma is the only member of Goku's primary group of friends that he has had no aspect of fighting or rivalry with. The most she's ever "fought" goku was when she shot him. In a strange way, Bulma is the only normal friendship he has that he made that wasn't born from fighting. It was made from their shared adventure in finding the Dragon Balls. (Also the point about Goku never keeping in touch with his old friends is something I find odd. Friendship is a 2-way street and they all know where he lives, and they all have the means to be able to visit, so why didn't they come to see him? I'm not saying that Goku not keeping in touch isn't his fault or placing the blame entirely on his friends. But the blame can be shared by both parties.)

[@demonofsixpaths2078]

Not goku black?..... what about Turles?

[@blootube97]

It’s Goku himself not anyone who looks like him

[@ervinm.5065]

Goku if he never hit his head

[@crazychips123]

One of my favourite lines from super is when goku rages about jiren. Goku: the truth is... I ain't no hero of justice to anything els like that! But anyone tries to hurt my friends I'd GONNNA PAYYYYYY!!!!! Not sure how it was in the sub but I feel that dub line best describes goku as a character and his relationships.

[@ArsFilmandi]

Masako: "We're not gonna go on an editorial rampage..." Me: But you *always* do that. Masako: "...like we usually do..." Me: At least the self-awareness is there.

[@quar3019]

Yes! I have been waiting for this one!!

[@LainK1978]

I believe they Goku's friends could ask for help at any time and get it. They just never do. They are just as much to blame as him for not spending more time together.

[@NaoyaYami]

Some people get angry when it's always on them to call you if they want to hang out (even if you don't really mind spending some time with them).

[@shadowrose8907]

@@NaoyaYami Exactly; when you feel like you're the only one putting in any effort to the point that the relationship's lopsided, something's wrong. Honestly, at this point I wouldn't think it was out of place or unjustified if someone he's...not "thrown by the wayside," per se, but you get the idea, described him as "Oh yeah, Goku; he used to be a friend of mine"

[@NaoyaYami]

@@shadowrose8907 Except I was talking from personal experience and I was the one getting mad at :D It may seem weird, but not everyone needs to constantly hang out with their friends to consider them as such. I have a good friend that I speak at most few times a year but we can count on each other if needed. Goku however isn't an introvert - he just gets bored easily :D

[@matti.8465]

Goku's friends just let him be no matter what. Either because they idolize him ir because they realize it's pointless to try.

[@shadowrose8907]

@@NaoyaYami I was speaking from personal experience too, and I was more-or-less agreeing with you too. Of course, in my case I was the one getting mad, because I felt like the (former) friend was no longer treating me as an equal. I met my best friend when I was six years old and just turned 31 a couple of weeks ago, and we don't talk all the time, but at least she treats me as an equal when we *do* talk, and not as a hanger-on or a nuisance. In Goku's case, though, he almost treats them as afterthoughts, which is what I mean by "lopsided relationship".

[@aadharsh1997]

To me goku is just a guy who likes to fights for his friends in the beginning till the saiyan saga’s end. His motives changes after the saga

[@nobleskywalker4639]

Not really even in early og dragon ball he says he wants to fight to become the best, he fights for his friends of course but that was never his main objective in life.

[@tormentor91]

I don't disagree with your analysis. It definetly applies to that Goku, but not necessarily the one in Z and definetly not the one in the original Dragon Ball. Based on these comments of Toriyama, I think he didn't really remember everything that went into Goku. Which makes sense, considering he didn't really write him properly in ages at the time. The show writers went from there, and it's no surprise that the Goku of Super and the one prior are so extremely different from each other.

[@priestesslucy]

Did you read the original Dragonball? Goku was a bit of a blank slate at first but he very very quickly grew a lust for challenge.

[@dereknight861]

*goku suggests giving his universe a fighting chance to NOT be wiped out* Fandom: GOKU IS EEEEVIIILL!! Me: wait what?

[@shadowrose8907]

That's such a disingenuous interpretation of that plotline it's not even funny. The consequences he "saved" them from only came about as a direct *result* of his asking for the fight to happen in the first place, after he disregarded and basically thumbed his nose at *numerous* warnings from beings who were more familiar with the person he was dealing with. When *Whis* warns you about someone's personality flaws and past history of destroying universes, you don't get to ignore that and then go "*GASP* I had no *idea* Zeno would destroy universes!"

[@rebornsage7115]

I really hate when people say Goku was at fault for the universes getting erased. Xeno had planned to erase the universes anyway. The tournament was a chance for one to survive.

[@cameronb7161]

He's no villain, but he's certainly no superhero.

[@that1guy567]

This hit the nail on the head

[@ashiy8310]

I was wondering what was your take on when goku fighting goku black found out about the demise where of goten and chi chi. That few seconds of home being serious or even angry for me was him out of character or lost no his cool

[@KeysofIDproductions]

I feel like with Uub that he's the one Goku believes mirrors him the most based on his memory of fighting him as Majin Buu before he was reincarnated. Maybe training Uub how to use his power is a lot like rediscovering his roots training under Roshi years ago. He sees Uub as the one most likely to carry on his legacy after his passing, something he originally saw in Gohan before he gave way to his ambition to become a scholar and following in ChiChi's wishes. I think that if Goku ever were to share any techniques, it'd be either the Kamehameha or maybe even show him how to use the Kaioken technique. But Uub could've easily have seen Goku use it himself and his prodigal ability to learn things quickly and easily would give him the opportunity to learn how to use Goku's techniques as well.

[@round105]

What if, vegeta is the one to beat moro and that leads to the saga. After vegeta victory over moro something new starts to brew inside goku, a bit of jealousy. What if goku has gotten so used to be able to surpass all fighters that he has met, but has never been surpassed after beating them. Goku unable to get near vegetas new found techniques and strength starts to drive him insane until finally somethings snaps inside him unleashing the goku killer saiyan instinct prompting him to be ruthless and to get a different train of thought. Not exactly evil but not good either.

[@dariusdefour5365]

This will never happen so this is just a theory. Goku will never do this.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

Even training Gohan was a joke. NO spirit bomb, instant transition, Kaoken, and etc.

[@christiancrusader9374]

Considering the kiao ken tears your body apart, and that it can't be used with super sayain because one's control and the other is anger...

[@bluekirby64]

I think Goku is a hero he’s just socially awkward and it kind of makes sense because he spent most of his childhood in the forest not to mention he was particularly raised by Master Roshi who let’s be honest isn’t the best role model

[@galecaie928]

The only move he taught somebody how to do was the Kamehameha to Gohan(Or we can assume that was how Gohan learned how to use it). While I can understand why Goku never bothered to teach Gohan the Kaioken, it's weird he never trained him in Instinct Transmission and the Spirit Bomb.

[@AgentKyo]

I think a better example of Goku's parenting skills is Goten. Goku doesn't much with Goten but the moment Goten comes to him about training Goku accepted right away. The only reason they don't train when that happen is because of Chi-Chi & even then that just shows how much Goku respects Chi-Chi's decision.

[@master_matthew]

"The boy you trained, gone he is." "Consumed by Kakarrot."

[@ch4rlesiv115]

So I just got this idea when Masako was talking about Goku not teaching techniques (specifically instant transmission) So what if once Vegeta has finished Spirit Control, we see him start to learn Instant Transmission when the Yardratians suggest it. But before actually learning it Vegeta shows us that he does actually know how to do it since during his time being Gogeta and Vegito (since they both know instant transmission) he ended up somehow gaining a slight edge on how to use it and when we see him demonstrate it, it takes about 5 seconds for him to move from one spot to another and his limit for how far he can go being extreme (not enough to even reach another planet). Since his ability to use it is very low, it would explain why we haven't seen him use it as 5 whole seconds to teleport would be useless in battle. Obviously after that he gets help on how to fully use it and his power with it ends up being about the same as Goku's ability when he returned to Earth meaning Goku's instant transmission is highly superior but Vegeta can just about use it well enough for it to be useful in battle somewhat.

[@Justafox1994]

Yeah, When Somebody tempts him with food and, doesn't gets his food

[@CyberRank10]

STOP I FEEL ATTACKED!🔥!! Great Analysis 💫✌!

[@Kailerification]

This got me to thinking, Gokus desire for challenging friendships could explain why Chichi became the way she did.

[@CyanicCore]

This is an interesting character theory, especially in how little it incorporates the typical points. Truthfully, I believe much of Goku's change has to do with the writers' change over the years rather than the show. This is rather clear with other viewpoints, such as what Super did for his memory...

[@LokFan96]

I have never see Goku as a bad parent or friend. Piccolo is Gohan's real dad yes but not because Goku is a bad father. Goku is a Saiyan and Saiyans as Vegeta often says are a warrior race. Fighting is everything to them and its how they do many things. When Chi Chi forbade Goku from sparring and training with Gohan she took away his only way to communicate. Image Bardock or any other non royal Saiyan, do you think they would parent the way humans do? No they wouldn't, yeah they would talk to each other but I can imagine that they would solve everything with a fight or training. Its their whole lets talk with our fist thing. Royalty would be different in that they wouldn't fight much due to not wanting to risk dying or just don't have time. And caring for their family makes sense as they need to stay alive to rule.

[@XvZGhost]

My fav youtuber! Massacre X! (Could also mean massacre 10 but I got this from the videos preview

[@DBZfan462]

6 am alarm goes off, about about to hit snooze. *sees Masako posted a new video. Welp, sleep can wait.

[@adenparsons9838]

I see Goku as an inherently decent man whose Saiyan biology (comprised of an innate desire for strength and battle, as well as minimal relationships) makes him blind to conventionally acceptable behaviour, and this extends to his ability to gauge how others will react to him. His time on Earth has made him more human, but nowhere near as much as Vegeta.

[@Hippyknight99]

New what-if idea: What if goku taught his friends "his" techniques

[@chrono2208]

11:19 so what about Fusion ?

[@timethief148]

I just noticed his shiny dratini plush, this man is now the best man in the world

[@johnnywilkerson8834]

Plauge of Gripes did a fantastic breakdown on how the son family views relationships with his Gohan video.

[@bgt2848]

I was actually dancing with my company the Fred Astaire dance studio During that Macy’s day parade. when we were arriving in the morning, and out of nowhere I saw a giant inflatable super Saiyan god Goku rise up, honest to God I had a little bit of a tear in my eye as I raise my hands to give him my energy! Out of nowhere several of my staff did the same and there was a silent “hell yeah” between us 😂

[@cloudstrife7510]

Hello, commenting for the algorithm.

[@MasakoX]

Much obliged, robert.

[@thepopemichael]

I miss back in the day when Goku was more Superman like.

[@T-REX-KNIGHT]

If this Saiyan doesn't want me to make him famous! Then i'll make him infamous!

[@RainbowWish]

I may be a Goku fan, but you know what I wanna see? Goku fully realising that his actions and love of fighting hurt others more than he knew. This could get Goku into some sort of 'spiritual awakening' or whatever and he'd be blaming himself for everything, only for his friends (and who knows, the likes of Hit and Jiren who were the ones who were affected more recently and the latter being more affected) to get him back on his feet. It would give some character development which was what Goku was lacking a lot.