The Death Of Long Running Shonen

[@tyronsredux]

For anyone wondering why the video disappeared for a few hours, it literally got blocked because of the Fairy Tail segment. So i'm currently setting up a Patreon where you can watch the video in it's entirety without any problems, this minor block probably killed the momentum the video was getting but I'm grateful that it managed to get 40K + views. Thanks for watching and thanks for 1000K subs and the video will be up on Patreon soon ~ T.R

[@scaranara24]

FINALLY, A FELLOW SOUTH AFRICAN ANIME FAN. DUDE ID COME HOME EVERY DAY, WATCH ANIME FROM 17:00 TO 17:30 ON SABC 2 (either Bleach or Naruto) AND THEN WATCH THE POKÉMON EPISODE I RECORDED RIGHT AFTER. IT WAS SO BAD

[@AkimKimij]

For me predict future chainsawman boruto and bleach next generation will thought long chapter

[@LJ-hk4tv]

I'd be more sad about this if mangaka could actually handle the stress of long running manga, but even with decades of examples to learn from, artists will be lucky to put out 200 Chapters before breaking down.

[@tyronsredux]

It's really bad honestly, even as someone who loves long running manga, I would honestly prefer these mangaka move to a magazine that allows them to publish at their own pace like Jump + or Jump Square

[@selfishbeats]

It’s the life they chose , most get cancelled before they even have a chance. Manga is a sport of champions

[@LJ-hk4tv]

@@selfishbeats Perhaps treating it less like a sport would reduce ass pulls, pacing issues and unsatisfying endings.

[@selfishbeats]

@@LJ-hk4tv anime fans are unpleasable, there will always be "pacing issues, ass pulls and unsatisfying endings"

[@LJ-hk4tv]

@@selfishbeats That's why I said "reduce".

[@Corvy952]

I always say this isn’t a problem. Mangaka having the opportunity to finish their mangas on their terms when they want instead of being forced by editors to keep it going (dragonball) or needlessly extending a series length well past the manga quality dipped long ago (naruto, bleach) is a good thing. Makes for more happier mangaka escaping the horrible throws of mangaka work lifestyles and ending their art on their terms when they want it to end. That’s not bad

[@tyronsredux]

I'm glad authors like Gege are getting to end their manga at their own pace!

[@marocat4749]

But the samme time they should learn to not be as axwehappy to get series that fills that room. That have longlivity potential, if you let them. Its goof to have moderate long that in case get a sequel. Capitalism eh, never learns :( But weekly releases, that did , a lot harm too that its missing.

[@han-df9mw]

@@marocat4749I’ll never forgive them for cancelling ayashimon and red hood 😭

[@s3studios597]

Dragon Ball wasn't forced to keep going. Toriyama ended it on his terms. The only thing his editors "forced" him to do was constantly change the villain for the Android/Cell saga.

[@galahadwolf5818]

If there's one thing Gege isn't doing is a good job, even if on their terms. But that's a lack of understanding of why doing stuff works for other series and not for theirs. All characters have been treated poorly up to this point

[@jalengreen2173]

You kinda have to give it to seasonal. When continuously dropping episodes it’s harder to keep the anime behind the manga which either rushes the source material or forces filler episodes and arcs while they’re trying to put out chapters. Seasonal relieves stress on creators in my opinion and like you said when given time they can do great things.

[@tyronsredux]

Agreed, but some seasonal anime are catching up way to quickly to the manga source material, look at Bungo Stray Dogs, Spy x Family and The Case Study of Vanitas. They all got so popular to the point that the anime caught up to the manga and the mangaka haven't had enough time to create more chapters or because of the way they drop chapters, it's going very very slowly. I'm not saying this as an excuse to put out pointless fillers that drag out the story for no point btw, filler was, at least from my POV, always used to help mangaka with on-going stories to get far enough ahead that the studio didn't have to start pulling shit out of it's ass just to meet the weekly quota, it's one of the reasons why the bleach adaptation is an abomination for manga readers to watch.

[@michaelrowland2478]

Bro you are completely right about long running shows, I fell in love with bleach in middle school and I’m now 22 years old, I have girlfriend who loves anime and we watched bleach together and it’s one of her favorites, one day she was crying at the end of the original series where everyone goes to an ice rink for fun and she just started crying out of nowhere and when I asked why she said it’s because everyone looks so much older. Even she, as someone who had only been watching for like a year felt like she grew with these characters and it really does mean a lot to the people watching

[@raynorcocker6851]

My biggest problem with new era 12 episode seasonal anime is that everything happens so quickly, there's no build up, barely any world building. They peak really early with no buy in. I don't even know the characters and they're dead already. There's no incentive for the viewer. So you only get a mid forgettable story experience.

[@getpape4126]

Jjk is prime example of this but it’s still goated. And it don’t think it would be any better if it was longer

[@noahalcantar2431]

​@@getpape4126it looks like we need balance whenever this problem happens

[@motor4X4kombat]

It think the problem comes with miliking everything in a season of 12 episodes rather than expanding a hole series with it. The prime example for me is cyberpunk edgerunners, that have the potential for at least 3 or 4 season and they concluded everything in one and you have to play a 60 dolar AAA game to continúe the story

[@Scott-xb1ku]

Naruto Shipp's length makes it below mid.

[@raynorcocker6851]

@@Scott-xb1ku Personally, the writing dropped so badly. Too many plot holes and retcons. I wish Pain was the final arc the very least.

[@Zac_Frost]

It's not really a problem, honestly. Modern mangaka are just "maturing," if that's an appropriate word to use. They're realizing, "Oh. There's not much more story to tell. Let me finish so I can move on to my next idea." It's honestly a good thing. Don't let staff bully you into continuing a story long past the ending, and don't just milk the story until there's nothing left, even for a sequel. Dragon Ball and Naruto are perfect examples of each of the scenarios I mentioned. Strike while the iron is hot, but once it cools down, stop hitting it.

[@tyronsredux]

Exactly, I think Mashle: Magic and Muscles would be a good example of a series that knew that it was going to jump in and jump out (pun not intended). It got what it wanted to get across and the mangaka knew despite how popular it was, he wasn't going to milk it. Tokyo Revengers is a bad example of this, a genuinely good long running series that the author milked the hell out off right at the end even though it was long past it's run.

[@Zac_Frost]

@tyronsredux I would say the same for Avatar, the Last Airbender on the western side. They went in, made an amazing show, and then dipped. The sequel doesn't exist in my eyes. That's just Nickelodeon fan fiction to me lol.

[@leonardofarias8843]

Maybe just maybe

[@bleachinmyeyespls]

This is sao in a nutshell lol. First 8 or so episodes were amazing, top tier, they were about sword art online as the name suggests. After that they just milked it with all those random arcs and games and stuff. If sao was literally a 12 episode anime with the sao arc + a little nice happy ending with asuna and kirito in the real world it would be one of the best animes to date. But they ruined it and now its just a joke.

[@joaocbcneto]

​​​@@bleachinmyeyesplsfun fact about SAO s writing: a lot of those first episodes were written at different points of the series as flashbacks with the original game being even shorter in the source (episode 2 s events were written after the series was finished for the anime as one example). So the reason why the fairy game arc is pretty shit is because you went from the author at some of his most experienced to the writer when he was still new to writing.

[@YHoll]

The older I get the more I’m okay with this. Being 30 now I enjoy tuning in every week for 12-24 weeks to watch an anime and then it being done and I can move on to other things.

[@tyronsredux]

Agreed, especially if the show is genuinely worth watching

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

It is harder to re-watch my long running favorites in full. Though I still re-watch them often and I don't think I tend to re-watch anything in full anyway. Even when it is short. I always opt for my favorite bits and scenes. The best arcs, etc.

[@neos5432]

"he Death Of Long Running Shonen" Laughs in One Piece (gear 5)

[@tyronsredux]

What comes after One Piece though?

[@neos5432]

@@tyronsredux when the king falls the subjects follow. Jump relying way to much on op you know op carying when jump have a cover of luffy siting like a king

[@JacoB-wp4ws]

@@tyronsredux detective conan

[@thatwage]

Oda carried 2023 The manga, anime, and live action went crazy and we still not finished with this year

[@jksupergamer]

@@JacoB-wp4wsfunny how thats actually older than one piece

[@Night_Kroww]

bro your a new age weeb. went through all that with dbz and yu yu hakusho and others

[@tiararose4510]

Period the comment I was looking for

[@miccuzzzo]

That toonami block and wb on Saturday mornings was amazing. He’s talking about waiting a day we had to wait a week sometimes for adult swim not to mention renting vhs tapes at blockbuster

[@pringrings22]

My major gripe with long running anime is the animation quality. Seasonal anime have more consistent high quality animation compared to weekly anime series.

[@tyronsredux]

Exactly, despite my complaints, I'd rather wait for Chainsaw Man and JJK level animation then have animators struggling just to give us weekly episodes of these series. The Toei staff that worked on Wano though, now they need to be studied for giving such high quality weekly episodes during the Wano Arc

[@sandraonyeka9071]

I feel like the reason we don't get long running anime anymore is due to the age of streaming, because the same could be said for TV series. Before when you had to wait to watch your favorite show, we used to get 24 episodes per season and like 8,9,10 seasons of a show. But with the way we consume media now, if something isn't great then it gets canceled without any consideration to fix or better the mistakes that were made in the first season. As a relatively new anime watcher, I personally didn't like the art style in One Piece but I kept watching and I began to enjoy the world building, character development, new crew members, and the art style. But unfortunately that cannot be said for new shows, it's either a hit or a miss. And it's like they want to keep the story short so as to not lose viewers with too many filler episodes.

[@sandraonyeka9071]

Can I get my hug and kiss please.

[@tyronsredux]

@@sandraonyeka9071 🫂😘

[@Illousae]

8:45 It was shown that cursed users and cursed spirits exist beyond Japan, but they don't know about eachother and usually go solo. This is because there isn't that many jujutsu sorcerers who know about their power and the country probably sees them as mentally insane and they go into mental asylums.

[@tyronsredux]

My bad, maybe I mis-read the explanation, I thought it said that the cursed spirits only exist in Japan because of the barrier that Tengen created.

[@linkskywalker5417]

To be fair, a lot of Jujitsu sorcerers (which is redundant considering that, and I looked this up, "Jujitsu" means sorcery in Japanese) are insane or have gone insane. You would not want to deal in such things in the real world lest you, to quote Christopher Lee, lose not only your mind, but also your soul.

[@phantomic109]

Can't believe you talked about Mashima and didn't even bring up Rave Master :P Good video, I enjoyed it

[@IamZeus1100]

I love long form content . One piece with 1000+ eps ? I’m with it . Warhammer 40K with over 600 novels ? Hell yea. I love world building and really getting to know characters . It saddens me with all the short form content these days and short seasons

[@jarrodgroeneveldt529]

Can't believe we could finish a 20min episode in an hour with all the ads in between

[@tyronsredux]

I know right😂

[@welloraps4492]

Coming across a South African KZbinr talking about anime literally made me so happy 🇿🇦🔥

[@tyronsredux]

I'm here to represent my people dawg

[@claimingagate]

Man i feel so nostalgic for those days watching anime on SABC2. I kinda gravitated away from shonen (accept for one piece) and just jumping between comedies, trashy fanservice shows and even shojo, the only Shonen ive been actively watching are one-piece and CSM. I still whatch stuff, just not as engaged as i am with them

[@LORDxkripikmemes]

if jjk is a long running series, the animators are now in a death bed, they are already half alive now anyways.

[@TheAnimeConnoisseur1]

Its refreshing to see a South African anime channel. I love what youre doing here brother .🙌

[@tyronsredux]

I'm here to represent my people

[@tutumazibuko2510]

@@tyronsredux dankie boi!

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

I think Ninenouh was South African iirc. Though he doesn't make videos anymore and has purged a lot of his content.😭 There's still some anime editorial content left. Miss that guy. Thanks for filling the Anitube void, Tyronsredux. Great video!

[@breadmanbam]

the companies dont pay these studios/animators/artists enough for long running high quality anime

[@pixelatedpickle2561]

I LOVE THIS EDITING. AND THE BUMP SEGMENT?! chef’s kiss. You got a sub in me.

[@tyronsredux]

Thank you

[@ChronoJedi]

Not to mention sabc2 restarted Dbz TWICE FROM THE BEGINNING! Once when it was around frieza saga and another close to the end of cell saga I think... And those were DAM LONG

[@tyronsredux]

I remember that pain lol

[@IzukuKun-ow4rx]

FINALLY! Another South African fan who actually knows a lot of anime and experienced anime through watching it on SABC 2 at 5 pm.

[@tyronsredux]

I gotta represent my fellow South African otakus

[@Renzob0nd]

i agree on the video i'm use to and very fond of the long running format of getting an episode every week but i have gotten use to the seasonal format and appreciate the quality that comes with it congrats on 1k great vid !

[@tyronsredux]

Thank You

[@colorfulcheshire4181]

Great video and I'd love to add to discussion better but I'm on the tail end of a short lunch break but we really need more people loud about SJ's tendency to keep early axing creative stories that aren't doing whatever numbers that "indicate" one of the BIG series early enough, at a time where people have less time/money to indulge in reading. I feel like too many REALLY GOOD SERIES lose their chance bc of these impossible expectations and it's extremely sad, esp with SJ nearly controlling the industry (while still mistreating their mangaka like crazy)

[@crunchybagelsalad]

Yeah, weekly anime are almost always harder to make than seasonal anime and it shows because of schedules and other production things. I don't mind seasonal anime, but I agree that it waiting for the new season sometimes loses the hype. W video, keep up the good work.

[@BoreBoot]

That Case Closed mention hit me like a flashbang. Not many people know about it.

[@treymykel]

Another problem too is something that we don't want to meet is the complaint about filler The reason why a lot of shows back in the day were long running is because when they will catch up with the manga they will have to create a new arc out of nowhere to hold over until the artist can get a little bit further ahead so they can animate it so that's another problem with the long-running series formula is that there's no in between and that's been a problem with the manga since the very beginning we can have an arc where we go through all of these emotions and these cool battles or whatever and then there's no downtime or we jump right into the next arc without any lead up that be the problem and I think that's why we kind of do need a little bit of filler just to either give the cast a break or to transition. Until the mangaka artist can catch up and do more when you have the seasonal animes you're literally holding out until the manga artist can draw a lot of chapters so they can animate it and that's the reason why you see my Hero academia and jiu jitsu kaizen taken you know these long breaks because of the fact that they're not putting filler in it and that's great after a while but eventually you're going to have to put some kind of filler into these animes in order to keep them going for a long time to keep them in the cultures like guys to keep people from for getting about the anime and the manga itself

[@nellym46664]

SABC 2: When 5 o'clock was 5 o'clock!

[@tyronsredux]

WHERE YOU BELONG!

[@Deeperthandeep3923]

The pain of waiting for 5 and the sorrow you would feel when Thursday came up😭😭 but im glad we got introduced to the media

[@tyronsredux]

Streaming saved us

[@xenon3551]

The problem i have with the new series is timing,they wanna hit every point very quickly with barely any build up like yea i like them but i dont have that same attachment i had with the long runs so now when something big happens its cool but dont get me super hype

[@tyronsredux]

Very ture, but remember that these series are also trying to avoid being axed by Jump. If they don't hook people in with hype immediatly they run the risk of being axed. It's even currently happening with Kagurabachi at the moment even though the community is memeing TF out of it

[@xenon3551]

@@tyronsredux yeah...and its a shame they really should let them give every moment there proper time and who knows maybe they could get there next dragon ball or one piece

[@Scott-xb1ku]

It always manifests as unfulfilled potential and painful blue balls. Your nostalgia is showing.

[@2GHOSTYY]

Bruh I understand pain of sabc 2 ads , and it's like 2min worth of ads

[@ssjduncan7682]

2 minute adds and they did it like 2 or 3 times PER EPISODE bruh I'm so glad we can just stream now😂

[@2GHOSTYY]

@ssjduncan7682 facts ,I was tired of looking at oros and standard bank and funeral cover ads bruh like let me watch anime in piece

[@dungton6066]

My boy I’m still read DB Manga and most people I know read it still are doing it… We are just going on a hiatus because they are just retelling Super Hero

[@kbdc]

South Africa is definitely not the only country that had to deal with ad breaks and waiting for hours to watch an anime episode. Other than that though, agree with you about your sentiments with long running anime. When ppl use the excuse of OP is too long to justify not watching it, how come it's never used for other shounen then? If you're a OP fan, you know it's actually too short. It's really the garbage pacing that weakens it (at least for the anime) We're in a timeline where there are anime fans who haven't grown up watching shows like Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, etc. in a weekly basis. While OP has a greater quantity of episodes compared to these series, bottom-line, all of them have WAY more episodes compared to the typical seasonal anime relatively speaking. And that's the important part here. While all these 12-24 ep anime are great since you get a concise story, you'll have to wait a year minimum for a new season. At least for me, I forget so many of the characters, their names, the events etc. that took place. As much as I love my romance stuff like Toradora, Ao Haru Ride, Kimi ni Todoke, etc., it's been years since I last watched them and pretty much need to rewatch them again if I wanna remember the overall story. When it comes to the long running anime like Naruto & OP, they just stick with me. I get lost in the world building & the environments. I get invested in the characters and their relationships. Atp, the battle aspects of the battle shounen just supplement the story for me or hitting those dopamine rushes cause of how hype they are. Ofc, seasonal anime offer this experience too but it's just too staggered for me imo. AoT & JJK are great examples of that. This is why I prefer reading the manga over watching the anime. Then there's the whole aspect of "what do I watch now after x show ended?" when it comes to the seasonal shows. I always suggest OP but like I said in the beginning, ppl disregard it for such a baseless reason. There's always that post depression feeling when it comes to finishing a series. You're sad that you're not immersed in another world and their characters. Well, long running anime can provide that same experience over a consistent and lengthy duration. I get that committing to a long series is hard in general (not just anime) but if you're genuinely loving the experience, why does it matter that it has x amount of episodes? If you're having a great time with the series, then you're gonna wish it never ends. This is what OP fans try to convey to ppl but i get that the community is pretty toxic online. Finally, ik long running anime isn't sustainable when it comes to the anime/manga industry. We're seeing it firsthand with Oda & OP. The working conditions are gruesome. All we can do on our end is provide support and hope the industry reforms over the years. Sorry for the long comment LMAOO but I genuinely miss long running anime. Just really had to express my thoughts about it

[@abriefintermission]

you watch Internet Pitstop? just a guess but that midbump reminded me of him. Great video man!

[@tyronsredux]

Yes I do, I also watch SuperEyePatchWolf and their content is what inspires me lol. I'm glad you like the video as well

[@abriefintermission]

ayy that's awesome man, I love Supereyepatchwolf too, best of luck on your youtube journey bro

[@EmbraceTheChallenge]

I’m glad Black Clover is actually coming back.

[@tyronsredux]

In decemeber. I hope the anime gets the TYBW arc animation for the Spade War Arc

[@djmidori]

I'd love the anime to come back, but with a better production schedule. I'd hate a repeat of ep 1-170 continous episode and with what is going on with studio MAPPA's animators

[@manhwainformer1110]

One piece got me to anime, there was a time it played on SABC 2

[@tyronsredux]

Oh word. I was only there during the Naruto run of SABC 2

[@skikuro]

Liebe wasn't living inside of Asta. He was instead inside the grimoire because Licita sealed him in there to protect him from Lucifero, trying to use him as a vessel to escape the devil world and into the realm where humans lived.

[@ironclad-m3q]

Anime production shifted to seasonal mainly because of IRL stuff like business and the production itself. Besides, long-running anime are actually seasonal too. The rights to produce and broadcast didn't get sold as a whole (from the start until the series ended), they got renewed, usually per certain episode or arc. That's why the DVD versions of Bleach, Naruto, etc. were released in seasons. Also, world building isn't just about places or areas. It includes everything like setting, societal norms, characters, and/or organization relations, etc. A world in One Piece is filled with pirates and ruled by a single organization called the World Government, that is also part of its world-building. and yes, it exists in seasonal anime like JJK too.

[@TheFloorGeneral100]

long running shonens are only gonna be for mangas that are near completion or already done.

[@tyronsredux]

Facts!

[@davidalily6]

Bro! This was a well done vid man. I actually thought you were American based off your thumb nail design. What a surprise it was to hear your South American. As a Nigerian who has been in South Africa since 2009 i relate to that SABC 2 hate😂. Keep up the great quality bro, I'm proud if you and you just got yourself a new sub.

[@tyronsredux]

Glad you like the video bro, and thanks for the support

[@michaelkhairi7360]

I'm not going to lie I really hope that MHA and Black clover was going to be the next Naruto where we could see the progression of the characters and world building.

[@jakemiller270]

I would have liked that as well but the mangaka for those series scripted the end of show years in advance and likely going off script to add content would lead to worse arcs.

[@motor4X4kombat]

Progresion and world bulding in naruto? Give me a break. In fact one piece in those aspects make naruto look like... well boruto.

[@michaelkhairi7360]

@@motor4X4kombat Yes You are 100% right but I don't want my hero to be as long as OP. OP is special

[@motor4X4kombat]

@@michaelkhairi7360 heres the thing about one piece, while the WB is great, the manga spent waaay too much time in one place to the point the story felt stuck for years before it can actually continues. Is kinda like reading the detours from lord of the rings, that individually are interesting (hell Tolkien even made appendages from those) but they barelly add anything to the overall story that for very good reasons they were mostly cut from the Peter Jackson films, some of them were save for the extended cuts. Hell the live action one piece is following these footsteps by focusing in the things that add to the story and leave out the things that drag the plot to a hault.

[@Scott-xb1ku]

@@michaelkhairi7360 Oda is immortal and MHA's creator would die from that much work (like any other mortal).

[@oshoke04]

lol now that i hear it in this video with one piece visuals, the vocals in that nier automata village song really do sound like they're saying 'one piece'

[@tyronsredux]

Ngl, when I added in Pascals theme during the One Piece segment I didn't notice that it sounded like it was saying "One Piece" until a commentor mentioned it lol

[@caedmonmcclellen6676]

I hope you know you’ll conquer whatever you’re going through as well. Thank you for the video

[@tyronsredux]

Thanks man, that's really nice to hear

[@TimilehinOlaokun]

I won't lie I sometimes skipped after-care or school clubs just ro be comfortable by 5 to watch Naruto and Bleach on SABC 2

[@tyronsredux]

You had your pritories straight, I don't blame you for wanting to watch Kino

[@TimilehinOlaokun]

@@tyronsredux 😂

[@DICEBOY22]

I'd rather most just be 28 to 59 episodes. As someone in their 30's you start to value your time a lot more.

[@katongobkampamba9808]

Yo. I spent my early teens watching Naruto and dragon ball z on SABC 2 all the way here in Zambia

[@tyronsredux]

Damn, that's crazy bro

[@LK-ji8be]

Oh SABC 2...remember that Dub "Tell It Like It Is" ad that took like 3 minutes? Made me mad as hell while waiting for naruto

[@tyronsredux]

Ads on SABC 2 were the bane of every South Africans weebs nightmares honestly

[@mickynick9888]

I don't mind anime having seasons but what I hate is it's not set up for yearly releases like you said it can take 2 to 4 years to get a season 2 which is ridiculous.

[@tyronsredux]

Especially with how popular these shows/manga get, you would assume that the industry would try to make more of these popular shows. But I get it, you don't want to give a shit product just cause it's popular

[@getpape4126]

Same bro the wait for jjk season 3 is gonna be excruciating

[@Zero-tu9zd]

i was born in 2005 my intro to anime were anime's from the 80's and studio ghibli movies than pokemon and akame ga kill

[@tyronsredux]

Ghibli is honestly a good introduction to anime, waht are some of your favourite ghili movies?

[@zaflame3755]

The meta for the comic went from Long running stories w/ grand worldbuilding , w/ "bloat" to shorter ones with less world building, less character development, and more action. It's like they were made to be binged. Anime-wise, now the industry is producing is 3/4x more things under arguably more conditions. Capitalism is hell.

[@mlamulidlamini8380]

I feel you 😂 "SABC 2 at 5pm"

[@tyronsredux]

WHERE YOU BELONG!🤣

[@BBrideley]

i subbed because the little bump message made me smile, thank you

[@tyronsredux]

I'm glad I could make you smile buddy🤗

[@mberto370]

my answer to this is: hopefully yes the stress and overwork that a animator goes to make a season anime is already a great one. now imagine having to work non-stop in a production until it ends (who knows when). its just paintful to think about the harsh things that animators in anime industry in japan are going throw. so i prefer season series that comes with less overwork and pain to the workers than have an eternal anime with workers suffering to bring every episode

[@tyronsredux]

I agree a 1000%. I actually saw a take on twitter that kinda of resonated with me and the person said that since One Piece is in it's final Saga, it should have gone seasonal. If we got Wano level animation from seasonal One Piece. I wouldn't even be mad.

[@fluoriette9979]

i for one would be *extremely* annoyed if One Piece randomly decided to change its format to seasonal just for the final saga honestly it annoyed me with Bleach TYBW as well, i'd rather they stick to a single format for the entire duration of the story instead of abruptly switching midway through.

[@tyronsredux]

@@fluoriette9979 Are you telling me you don't like TYBW?

[@fluoriette9979]

@@tyronsredux i like it but i wish it didn't have an arbitrary 52-episode cap

[@theanimerapper6351]

​@@fluoriette9979the episode cap isn't arbitrary. Seasons are 13 episodes for alot of anime. 4 seasons=52 episodes. They could give them 65 episodes but bleach doesn't have 65 episodes worth of story

[@georgedonald9826]

Its dying and im damn happy about it. I watched on piece and Naruto from my childhood to adult hood. When i was 22 thought thought hit me "Am i going to die of old age before one piece or naruto ended?" lmaoo. But all jokes aside long shonen is never as good as anime that only runs 2-4 seasons. Thats because each episode and season stuff actually happen, more efficient and impactful for you time, and short anime always leave you of wanting more. Rather than talking paragraphs about it lets see the difference of short anime vs lang animes. JJK Yuji vs Choso against any naruto fight that lasted 6 episodes with 15 minutes being B-roll of them breathing heavily after clashing and 25 minutes of flashbacks of naruto on a swing with sad music.

[@drawwithameltdown]

Buff Asta was the best part for me, gave me drive to be Buff Meltdown

[@gachafiedstreams]

I was speaking with my friends about this the other day how much I miss long running Shonen. I’ve turned more towards fantasy books and light novels to scratch a similar itch.

[@tyronsredux]

Got any light novels you want to recommend?

[@okluminous566]

@@tyronsredux re zero mushoku tensei oregairu toradora classroom of the elite a certain magical index (my personal favorite) bunny girl senpai just a few off the top of my head and most of these light novels have anime adaptions anyways but they go more in depth than their anime adaptions. Plus you can read anything from nisio isin (he made the monogatari series)

[@Group-935]

From an anime watchers perspective I like the shorter ones. They are easier to watch and get caught up on. So I can avoid spoilers. The animation tends to be much better, and there is little to no filler. But in my opinion it is sometimes a bit harder to get invested in a character. Sometimes. As where a long running anime like One Piece. Of which I've watched 580 episodes. There is lots of time to get invested in the characters, and you can often times grow very fond of a character. Also because you've seem so much of these characters in a longer anime, you can often predict what they might do next. Which some people hate that, but I personally like it. It kinda feels like you grew up along side them. It's kinda like a sibling in my eyes. You've been around them so very much that you can sometimes practically read their mind. Which I find fun. So, yeah. In short. I like shorter animes. For the most part.

[@tyronsredux]

Each one has it's benefits honestly

[@Group-935]

@@tyronsredux Yeah... That's true.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

It strongly depends. I think the sweet spot from my evaluations might be somewhere around 40-100 episodes as being ideal. But then again look at HxH how do you tell an expansive amazing story without it being longer than 100 eps. Whenever Bersek finally gets a proper no CGI laden adapation it will be another longer than 100. I think people saying that shorter is better are somewhat incorrect. Rushing through scenes and not fleshing out ideas is just as bad as stretching it out too long.

[@Dogflamingo]

Nice Megalo Box background music

[@tyronsredux]

I should make a playlist of all the songs I used in this video lol

[@darthbader6991]

I mean I see what you mean but the 12-24 episode formula is only a product of its time. Personally I would rather wait for 24 episodes of a well produced show then get a weekly series where it looks really stiff. And this gets into manga as well. Shit like one piece would get axed almost immediately if it started publication today. People generally prefer faster paced story telling these days. It’s just what the industry has adapted into. But wtf do I know? Just my thoughts.

[@tyronsredux]

Why do you believe that One Piece would get axed immediately if it started publication today?, humor me, I'm curious of what you think

[@darthbader6991]

@@tyronsredux it’s because it starts off so slow. One piece took full advantage of its time to set up the world and characters. Series that publish on shounen jump these days are generally way faster paced and set things up much quicker

[@cambo_draan1198]

Liked hearing the megalobox soundtracks in the background, that series has some great OSTs.

[@tyronsredux]

Probably my second favourite anime OST, Attack on Titan is my current Favourite

[@creategreatness8823]

It is interesting that TV series becoming shorter isn't just happening in Anime in Japan, but also in the US from Hollywood. There are DIFFERENT reasons for each. Anime, the long-running Battle Shonen anime, are based on Manga. With the evolution to adapt Manga with as little filler as possible and the movement to seasonal anime...there is less of a pressure for Manga Writers to just keep going endlessly to feed a year-round anime production cycle. In Hollywood...it is becoming a bit of a "budget and method of consumption" thing. LOST had 24+ episode seasons for the first 3 seasons. Something like Dexter had 13 episode seasons. Game of Thrones had 10 episode seasons but by the end had 7 and 6 episode seasons. Now a lot of the common Netflix or Amazon Prime shows have 8 episode seasons. A show like Jack Ryan finished the entire show with only 30 episodes after FOUR Seasons. 20 years ago a show like LOST had ONE SEASON with 25 episodes. There is more and more of a pressure on TV storytelling to feel more cinematic. So...more money/impact/emphasis put on every episode being important and being key to the story. No room for weird one-off episodes or unique side stories...they are being treated more like "Multi part movies" instead of having the typical "TV structure" In the age of streaming people aren't watching shows once a week for months, having a different episode of a different show for each night at each time...instead...people want something they can binge in its entirety and then move onto something else. I think that is making "short anime" have more appeal as well....people want to watch something in full, then jump to the next thing. People are less interested in just being absorbed completely by one long-running mega-franchise.

[@LFX141]

Didn’t America deploy their military to Japan in JJK to deal with the cullin games???

[@soomitsunami5936]

Either my first intro was Pokémon or Jjba part 3

[@tyronsredux]

You started anime with JJBA Part 3? thats wild

[@soomitsunami5936]

@@tyronsredux nah I just saw a video of dio getting sent into the store

[@1378N]

6:04 And the superb characterization, particularly how the Straw Hats engaged during the festival in the Davy Back Fight arc on Adult Swim, captured my interest. The comedy was what sold me on it.

[@_mirendal_]

Your videos are amazing bro, kept it up !!

[@ScottTalksALot]

Great video! I’m also really hoping, that JJK gets a filler episode

[@tyronsredux]

Sadly, I don't think we are ever gonna get that

[@MM-ts9jy]

Hey bro, I respect your opinion and all, but fuck you for saying that🖕

[@cantthinkofanameduo]

they did do the little story recaps for the people that are too lazy to watch the first season and movie

[@DarthGnostikos]

That Nier Soundtrack slapping tho.

[@tyronsredux]

Peak video game soundtrack

[@elisamuelorfilarosario4163]

My problem with seasonals, is when you only get twelve episodes, years go by, there is more to adapt, yet they dont renew it. Other than tgat, I preferr it, since it acoids the hurdles of struggling to keep up, or overtaking the source material and stuff

[@Lordmaster135]

My heart died a bit when I saw fabricant 100 cause how doss that get axed but shiii like Jia hshiX is still running

[@tyronsredux]

we live in the hell dimension bro

[@wesdango6860]

The last season of ONE PUNCH MAN came out in 2019 and we only just got a tease of a season 3 in 2024 and we still don’t know when it’s coming out that’s a 6 year gap till we actually get a 3rd season and ONE PUNCH MAN May as well be the shortest Anime there is, and it’s kinda disappointing we don’t have a season 4 5 6 etc even MHA had 6 seasons but noo OPM fans get no such luxury I just find that ridonculous !!!

[@kang1629]

don’t worry , i’ll bring back long running anime, just give me 16 years, my Radicals comic will be my magnum opus

[@tyronsredux]

Save the Long Running Anime Society, K-Manny😶‍🌫

[@bacongod5759]

Counting on ya buddy 😭🙏

[@syhlmpo]

Aah, a South African finally contributing to the anime conversation. I didn't even know Bleach was on sabc 2 until I saw it about 3 years ago, I was shook!

[@tyronsredux]

All the south african anime peeps are on Tik Tok and I don't have the energy to make quick shorts when I prefer to talk about it in much longer segments

[@syhlmpo]

@@tyronsredux well I'm glad you're here because I can't do the very short anime discussion on Tik Tok, prefer the long videos on here

[@yrnkevinsmithC-137]

I'm more shooked that he didn't say one piece was one of the anime that were in sabc 2

[@tyronsredux]

@@yrnkevinsmithC-137 There was a ton of anime on SABC 2 that I could have listed honestly, but I thought the three main ones that we grew up was Naruto, Bleach and DBZ

[@yrnkevinsmithC-137]

@@tyronsredux I honestly only know of those 4

[@malachiblood13]

Man the SABC 2 struggle was real 😅

[@tyronsredux]

those damn ads were the bane of my existence.

[@Boxman-GG]

If you ain’t watching one piece then you sick and are missing out big time it’s the best of best

[@tyronsredux]

Who said I wasn't watching One Piece?🧐

[@onesem9399]

he said u prob STARTED watching anime. WHO IN THIER RIGHT MIND STARTS WATCHING ANIME WITH ONE PIECE when ur done demon slayer will be in its 5th and last season

[@youngsun1086]

Guess I'm sick then

[@getpape4126]

That’s cap asf one piece is only good at the adventure aspect world building and characters. One piece fights are dogshit compared to most other shounen naruto and bleach fights absolutely shit on one piece fights.

[@christheclamper6614]

There isn't just cursed spirits in japan too if im not mistaken the character "Yuta" was overseas in a mission

[@felipeparanhos1849]

Ihave not read neither but the word is that the kaijuu one e kagurabachi will be the next gen

[@98ore]

Never even knew fairy tail was hated till I spent some time on the internet, I love fairy tail and love the music and world. Also started losing interest in anime the shorter they all got, even though I’ve also watched a lot of 12 episode anime’s over the years they were more slice of life and more grounded in our world, so I didn’t feel the need to know more about the world etc I’ve read a lot of manga and manwha now doe and even light novels Also feel like animation got too polished, there was a certain charm to animation style back in the day that just felt more charming to me. I didn’t even know anime was a thing till I moved to America at 13 and fell in love and watched so many but somewhere along the way I just found myself reading Manga more I did watch overlord, saga of Tanya and one punch man. And the first two is what even got me into reading light novels.

[@tyronsredux]

Slice of life is the best anime genre

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

FT is mostly just hated for the popularity and other superficial reasons like it's too similar to OP. In-fighting between the different anime fandoms within the anime community is not anything new. People complain about the power of friendship, but that is in plenty of other anime. It's a staple of the battle anime genre and of the ideals Shonen marketed stories are meant to provide to young people. I wouldn't say FT is hated anymore than anything else that gained immense popularity.

[@stayfrostie2583]

I must be deranged AF since I started my love with anime watching HXH

[@tyronsredux]

You crazy bastard

[@Scarred_Hero15]

I agreed with you until your Shonen Jump Is Dying Segment. Jump has always axed manga the way they do now. Hell, standards as far as sales numbers go have been on a decline actually. Why that is, idk, because as someone who does read almost everything in Jump the current stuff is really good.

[@isracarbajal7405]

Idk how i noticed but when talking about one piece you placed nier music. FUCKING LEGEND And feel that on the fairy tail part its the witcher music but tell me if im coping

[@tyronsredux]

You are coping, but I can tell why you would think it would be The Witcher music, the music in Fairy Tail is very celtic inspired. The Witcher OST has Celtic and nowergian elements in it

[@dogdoin]

problem is alot of these manga have a rushed feeling to it so when its over readers think they should have spent more time on certain characters or concepts

[@MJJ07]

Man the 1980's. Ole boy. Akura, Hellsing, Dragonball, Sailor moon, Vampire Hunter D, and Ronin Warriors. Miss all those.

[@tyronsredux]

Damn bruh, you old asl🥲 Jokes aside, I really should watch some of these classics, especially Vampire Hunter D

[@MJJ07]

@@tyronsredux Lol. Yea some good old ones bro. I couldn't remember all but those are my favorite. That old asl comment funny as hell. If you watch hellsing watch both the original and OVA

[@Hugo_Tate]

12:20 what's this song called??

[@K7TZ]

Its always sad to see a fairy tale fan is so oblivious not to know that rave master exist

[@tyronsredux]

I know that Rave Master exists, pretty rude of you to assume I don't know Mashima's works

[@TheRealCrocYT]

Wow this a great video bro! Def hit that subscribe! Hope you hit your 1000 soon my guy🙏🏾

[@tyronsredux]

Thanks bro!

[@porky1118]

0:10 Digimon Adventure

[@tyronsredux]

I never was a big fan of Digimon, mainly Bakugan and Pokeman

[@porky1118]

I guess you're a bit younger than me anyway if you grew up with MHA When I was young there was Digimon, Monster Rancher, YuGiOh, Bayblade, Pokemon, Medabots. Bakugan came out when I already was a bit older. I never really watched it. And I never was a huge fan of Pokemon.@@tyronsredux

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

I dont think it's dying. Just changing. I don’t have much problem with seasonals or the old way anime aired with filler in between as the way breaks were given for the mangaka to get more content out for the anime. I do miss the old way because I won't forget or lose interest in a series like I do with seasonals. Still, I cant say I'd be able to keep up if the anime were airing the old way. Seasonal anime is probably the better future overall. I do wish the average show length would go back to 2 cour though. At least! I think we may be getting close to that. There seem to be more 2 cour anime and sequels releasing. If i didn't know better, I'd say the newer fans must be realizing how much better it is when their show has at least a decent runtime to tell the story so it's not forced to be a rushed 12 episode mess.

[@ziggymack2233]

Need the name of that of track during the ‘ bump ‘ section, my guy 👏🏾👏🏾🙌🏾 . My Shazam couldn’t find it nor could I find it in the comments ):

[@tyronsredux]

That is one of my own personal tracks. I'm a musician as well

[@kamvantutuka1523]

A South African Otaku Weeb...Let's go!!!

[@surgeon-ks7bp]

I read all chapters. best manga ever. one of the few I grew up reading week to week. few people I've met have read the manga which is sad because it was a good manga.

[@TeddSkylight]

My uncle used to watch a shitton of Naruto episodes with a pirated DVD because that's how we watch anime since the 30% population of filipinos barely could afford a TV and caples at the early 2010s and 2000s. Not to mention just getting a computer and Wifi is more difficult compare to nowadays where most of them can watch a shitton of attention span reducing brain dead content with a phone on their hands.

[@tyronsredux]

Very true!

[@ferrucciocaracciuolo8139]

My introduction to anime was Detective Conan.

[@tyronsredux]

Are you still watching Detective Conan?

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

Wow! How'd you manage that? How'd you come across Detective Conan / Case Closed?

[@noahalcantar2431]

​@@FullmoonPhantom-dn2srMy real introduction to anime is Mario, Megaman, Pokemon, and Sonic X

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

@@noahalcantar2431 Cool. Mine was Kenshin, InuYasha, and Ranma. Then some others my friend group got me into were Fruits Basket, Ouran, YYH, and Tokyo Mew Mew. After I realized what anime was, I also realized I had known the existence of several others in passing like Naruto, Pokémon, Yugioh among a handful of others. Just through the cultural zeitgeist I had picked up through osmosis. In the end, I decided to watch all of these. If I liked one anime, I might like several others after all. Loved all of these. Though, I never did go back and watch Pokémon. I adored it, but I let that one be just a nostalgic memory from childhood. It did become clear why I loved Avatar so much growing up and preferred many of the other cartoons that were highly influenced by anime or were literally anime like Pokémon. The 2000s especially was quite the time. So many things were influenced even if creators weren’t always forthcoming back in those days. It was kinda hush hush, I think, that’s why many weren’t forthcoming. It wasn’t cool for authors and other creators to admit they were influenced by foreign sources. Not yet. People often talked around the issue even when they were trying to be more forthcoming w/o literally saying it outright.

[@mintraniz6694]

I just recently started Fairy Tail :)

[@tyronsredux]

It's peak fiction buddy

[@mintraniz6694]

​@@tyronsreduxNice 😊 By the way, I am currently reading the manga. Would you recommend one over the other or......DO BOTH?! 😀

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

Rave Master is great, too. It's a good time! It's one of his other stories before FT. One of the few manga I went on to read in full because I just loved the anime so much.

[@loftycodes]

Bro said One piece is at it’s end and only has about 5 - 10yrs left 😂💔

[@UmamiNoodle]

Great video! ❤ your commentary was fun. As I’ve gotten older- I can’t do long running anime like I could as a kid. One reason I could never do One Piece. Even AOT I thought was like only 3 seasons (and ended? My bad. Too late for that now. I got in deep. ). So I look forward to more quality over quantity these days. Enjoying JJK and Chainsaw Man. And still reading manga :)

[@tyronsredux]

I'm glad the comments for this video have been relativly positive, I thought everyone would be yelling at me for "not knowing what I'm talking about" but seeing everyone's defend perspectives and seeing what they enjoy and what they don't enjoy about long running shonen and your stories is kinda heartwarming. I'm glad you are enjoy Chainsaw Man and JJK, I enjoy them as well and despite my complaints, I'm glad that these studios take time to give us the highest quality adaptations

[@DevJeremi]

What is background music that starts at 8:00 ?

[@tyronsredux]

It's a song from NieR Replicant kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKObY6OpnNSlkLssi=y5hICiFVutKW4Qp8

[@monkeydluffy_]

It’s crazy my hero was your intro to seasonal anime

[@tyronsredux]

Believe it or not, I was one of those shonen bros, the only anime I think I had watched around the time was probably Fairy Tail, Akame Ga Kill (I dropped this and literally forgot about it until typing this message out lol), Naruto and Dragon Ball Z (but because it was on broadcast television, I didn't really know what the difference , but I didn't really know the format of seasonsal and long running shows, the shows just didn't end so......I just kept watching lol) despite how much I love these shows now. I actually dropped the anime and went back to watching (western) cartoons until My Hero burst onto the scene. I guessed you could say my hero was the anime that made me fall in love with anime again, Naruto was the first anime I ever watched, Fairy Tail was the first anime that I fell in love with and My Hero was the anime that made me fall back into love with the medium lol