THE DECK GETS EVEN BETTER?

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

I find it really funny how TCG banned Baronne and Savage to "nerf" Snake Eyes by not letting them have an omni-negate, only for Konami to make an lore-inclusive omni negate

[@UncleJrueForTue]

@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 "The Omni negate bans were good for the game going forward." The game going forward: *Gets more omni negates*

[@UncleJrueForTue]

@Xuilin_ My guess is they saw the success of Branded and it's many extensions and are capitalizing on that structure. There are two issues with this approach however. Issue 1. Regardless of whether the deck played fusions, rituals, or synchros, the Albaz decks required alot of maindeck investment that made it impossible to play a bunch of non engine. Issue 2. The OCG has better rarity systems and the banlist isn't hardlining decks to either be unplayable garbage or full power. Konami of America's banlist and rarity system trying to milk every cent out of players exacerbates these issues. Now we're seeing the results of that with people like Jess quitting, Euro players outright refusing to play what Konami was clearly pushing for the format at their last YCS en masse, an inability to attract and retain new players, and local scenes shutting down. There are simple fixes to the situation that Konami of america can adopt, but they refuse to entertain them as long as "line go up".

[@andleepfarooqui7874]

the OCG was playing Baronne before the Azamina cards came out

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

It’s wasn’t just to nerf snake eyes. Those cards saw near universal play in any deck that could make them. I’m glad they’re gone but it is a slap in the face to imeadiatley give the last deck who needed an in archetype baron a baron.

[@randumo24]

TCG is just really bad at their ban-lists.

[@CMaxoknight31]

and you wanna know what the ONE CARD that made Snake-Eye PLAYABLE was? Poplar. That one card made Snake-Eye go from unplayable to Tier 1 over night and now look where we are now

[@otsman5614]

Poplar is a card that had all the effects that SE desperately needed. It reminds me of a certain card that got banned and did the same as poplar to its own archetype, and get so much hate although that deck was like the 2nd or 3rd best deck at its peak

[@GiovanniBallerinii]

​@@otsman5614Kitkallos

[@Test-mq8ih]

Bathmech circular?​@@otsman5614

[@ivanmaterazzo2631]

Well Poplar was crucial at the time since it was a great consistency boost having 3 broken effects. I wouldn't say SE was unplayable b4 it tho. It just saw too few representation. And for what you see in the ocg, they may even ban it tomorrow and the deck would still be top tier. OSS, poplar and SE Ash have been crucial at sending the deck over the roof in lower power level formats. But now having two crazy generic engines in FiendSmith and Azamina, makes banning any of those singularly not enough. Just get rid of Flamberge and Promethean. The engine will always be consistent enough so just kill the pay offs for playing it in a degenerate way.

[@Void-rj3sq]

Poplar is the card that actually makes the SE deck work The card that makes it broken is flamberge Flamberge literally goes +3 by itself. Not in the way of "ash technically goes +5 because of X combo", flamberge will make you go +3 using only its own effects and nothing else

[@MiyaoMeow588]

The literal only thing that Snake-Eye lacked was an early and easily accessible omni negate Now they have that

[@뒷골목깡패]

ban baronne to reduce omni negates give the best deck in the game an omni negate rogue decks:

[@iuader8646]

its also good play into maxxc...

[@bobby45825]

Just open up double lava golem. Easy peasy lol

[@UncleJrueForTue]

​​@@뒷골목깡패Remember when people thought(lied to themselves) that banning Baronne and Borrel Savage would mean Konami was going to make more decks archetypal Baronnes?

[@DivineDEC]

@@UncleJrueForTue tbh we shouldn't have more archetypal Baronnes, it would be best if decks relied on protection effects as opposed to omni negates to insulate from board breakers.

[@ryionizer3622]

the funniest part about the diabellstar cards really only supporting or being synergystic with snake eye is that, in the lore, diabellstar the black witch is the enemy of the snake eyes lol. she is literally killing flamberge in the art of OSS

[@hat_sauce3846]

Branded Despia in a nutshell vers.2

[@youknowme3226]

Where can I find the lore? Are the forums? I would love to read up on all this. Please and thank you!

[@magicmagerx2649]

​@youknowme3226 , either master duel solo mode, but it isn't up to date. Or KZbin

[@alexbrangan2885]

Ask a Magic player sometime why the h*ck every version of Ugin synergizes with Eldrazi instead of killing them.

[@autobotstarscream765]

And yet she feeds and coddles the real problem, Poplar. She has a bright future working at Pachinkomoney!

[@jones7119]

Azamina and Silvera is just so crazy for FSSE >Omni before Nib >Searches Ash >Gives free Closed Sky for FS Combo >Lets you recycle OSS with Wanted anyway + draw >Tributes for effect to dodge Droplet,Imperm etc. >Can be recycled and summoned again ever other turn All of this without using your Normal Summon

[@LightningStorm17]

At this rate what is left for this game? It’s the dedication from the fans that keeps Yugioh alive, and I wonder for how long.

[@justincampbell4527]

Idk what’s worse… the Vrains era where every new anime deck is tier 1/zero or the Lore era where a deck is tier zero for 2 years until the next story drops.

[@CyrusIsnt]

Vrains was actually good. And gouki with knightmare was the issue. None of the gouki cards was hit. In fact Trick star Borrel Altergiest Salamangreat Those are the only decks that was hit and firewall T dangles Code talker @inster Gouki Marincess

[@Heroism4499]

@@justincampbell4527 I kinda prefer the lore era. We clown on the decks being tier 0-2 but they have variety. Spright plays differently than Branded, Dogmatika, and Swordsoul and Goblin Rider plays differently than Snake Eyes, and White Woods. Every Vrains deck was a different shade of Link Spam (or Trickstar burn).

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

​@@Heroism4499bc NONE of the Lore Era decks had ANY unfun or bs thing they were doing right?

[@Heroism4499]

@@ThatOneWeirdFlex there's a stark difference between Ishizu Tear and all of the Firewall FTK formats from before TOSS

[@lucaslennan3356]

​@@ThatOneWeirdFlexI'd rather play Kash format than any format in the entirety of 2018.

[@vampireguy92]

Konami is doing the same thing that they did with making tears and making ishizu cards, which made tears that were already broken even more so. The biggest problem in my eyes is the fact that Konami makes decks and cards that aren't restricted in some way and because they're generic, everyone can play them instead of certain decks getting boosted and now the best deck can take 2 good engines and just become even more insane than it should be.

[@Demonic0Jester]

tearlament wasn't tier 0 before ishizu cards, it was just pretty good

[@vampireguy92]

@Demonic0Jester wth is pretty good?! It was at least tier 1. The craziness it could do was wild, but the ishizu cards absolutely broke it

[@xibbas7055]

Memento fiendsmith isnt the preferred choice since they dont have aerial eater. They play the goblin engine instead

[@Digidude0]

12:00 I couldnt agree more with this point, especially since the Azamina cards are basically White Forest fusion forms.

[@jazzyjefffogel]

At this point I just just want to see full power tear vs full power snake eyes

[@LemonCookies]

snake eyes gets dumpstered. no contest.

[@gabrielgois8724]

Tear still clears without even sweating

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

Tear wins easily

[@grodon909]

It's not even close, tear destroys snake eyes. A lot of what SE does requires the GY, tear shuts it down hard, and can play better on turn 0, which helps avoid the full brunt of the handtraps and fuwaross. Tear was also a strong tier 0, snake eyes is dominant, but hasn't every reached that level of dominance.

[@Xero-rr2ol]

tear clears every day of the week.

[@jerp1994]

Tbh yubel feels like doing a way longer combo to end on weaker boards than snakes

[@zenbozic6184]

uhh, usually ppl say its kinda the other way around, snake eye is better cause its more resilient and consistent, but the uninterrupted throne start from fiendsmith yubel makes a much scarier board

[@xBonafidexProdigy]

@@zenbozic6184 no

[@davecatss6652]

tldr azaima gave snake-eye an omni negate while phantom only does monster effects

[@aczeos]

​@zenbozic6184 this is what I've seen on the internet way more.

[@steviegreenthumb4720]

@@xBonafidexProdigy yes

[@issacsantana6419]

With the introduction of Maxx C (Fuwaross) into the TCG and Konami's decision to somehow manage to make a tier 0 meta even worse, I'm expecting the Yu-Gi-Oh! playerbase to walk out even faster than they already are. Without exaggeration, unless the upcoming ban list kills Snake-Eye, they have ruined the game (for now).

[@luminous3558]

I just dont get the thought process here. This entire decks design philosophy is the definition of flying too close to the sun, repeatedly, while having seen what happens when you do that 2x beforehand. Snake Eyes with Poplar was already the best deck. Yes Sinful Spoils are the lore theme so they were destined for more good support but who the fuck is the fiendsmith and why is he here? Every pro could at a glance lab out a way for fiendsmith to make a free rank 6 which just leads to full combo or a free negate. So we now have a very strong deck and add even more onto it with azamina. You literally had people playtesting the deck you are about to add support for live on tournaments and it was the best deck by far... A lock anywhere couldve prevented this or just not printing half of these in their current form.

[@naiyar3573]

I hope Konami realizes that, even if Snake eye gets hit, the tins will still sell because of S:P and other cards, not to mention wanted and diabellestar will still probably find their way into other decks

[@N1GhtKnIGht]

this tin is already doomed, everyone and his dog expects s:p in bonanza, why bother with tins, everything good from there is in bonanza... and cheaper

[@autobotstarscream765]

Diabellestar and Wanted are _designed_ to also go into other Decks, Snake-Eye is probably slated to die to make room for the next Diabellestar story Decks such as White Forest and especially Azamina, which as shown in this video should not be allowed to co-exist with Snake-Eye.

[@N1GhtKnIGht]

@@autobotstarscream765 azamina is realisticly never a stand alone deck, since it has no plays on its own... snake-eye is really problematic yeah, but there is legit no reason to kill it, make it a brick pile and its fine. biker is decent but no one plays it, since other stuff is to strong and white forest is strong but everyone is runick infected, toy and branded are both better in the deck... only thing i see here is, we get the azamina story "finished" next set and then the rebattle between both diabell, with most likely azamina support and well... snake-eye...

[@ak47dragunov]

@@N1GhtKnIGht Surely you watched the video where SE is already 4 engines mixed together with half the cards limited and still is the overwhelming best deck, yes?

[@N1GhtKnIGht]

@@ak47dragunov yes i did and i still know what i said, creating real chockpoints is far better then just trying to kill a deck otherwise we would need to kill a lot more decks, like yubel like runick, like spright and like tenpai... sounds bad, yeah cause it is

[@dylanwbb108]

Looks like Eternal Snake eyes format at this point

[@Camelotsmoon]

10:05 isn't that what happened with tear? It doesn't seem like anything new. They printed tear which ruled the meta for months, and then they printed the ashizu millers. They do this to themselves.

[@epthopper]

Tear didn’t rule the meta pre-ishizu, it was just one of the tier 1 decks

[@phoenix5095]

Only because the deck was a little harder to play than the rest i guarantee that if MAMA didn't drop as fast pure tear would've become tier 0 eventually

[@Kiferno]

@@epthopper Yeah, pre Ishizu tear was a tier 1 deck, wasn´t even the best deck of the format since still lack some cards like Rulkalos or tear Kash. Ishizu cards shouldn´t even be printed, going +5 in all mill decks + graveyard disrupcion and recovery in the form of shufflers is something that shouldn´t exist in yugioh.

[@FrkXJ6]

Its funny how people overhated Circular but dont say a shit about Poplar... Its literally the best extender ever printed... with 3 broken effects and zero restrictions. LOL

[@amr3731]

ppl have been complaining about poplar ever since snake eyes become meta. it just the deck has become too overpowered that blaming poplar alone isn't enough. u need to include ash, flamberge, OSS etc as well. and at this point, banning flamberge or OSS instead is probably a better choice in the long run.

[@michaelalognon3027]

Branded wasn't as bad as this. Imagine if Albaz was a Stratos for all its Archetypes

[@DivineDEC]

"I don't care how they do it" pick your words carefully lol, they might try to deal with it the same way they tried to deal with Tear at first: Unbanning floodgates

[@autobotstarscream765]

He doesn't want them to try, he wants them to succeed. And what succeeded was a soft set rotation gutting the card pool until the problem Deck stopped moving.

[@DivineDEC]

@@autobotstarscream765 My comment was primarily a joke, but also that's not what happened to tear either. They ended up banning three cards in the deck and then limiting the rest 😭.

[@Nakata2021]

So Snke-eyes have what 20 one card combo now?

[@imlaw5395]

that azamia spell is going to be a scr rare,mark my words

[@chittasticchitta1164]

obviously

[@hiasl3658]

Well yeah, no shit lmfao

[@imlaw5395]

@@hiasl3658 hahaha KOMONEY

[@Drowzzzzz]

Lmfao, lemme guess: you expected oss, engraver, wraithsoth, and perlereino to be secrets too?

[@alexbrangan2885]

At this point I'm convinced the TCG is only being kept alive by a couple thousand whales buying up all the SCRs, so Konami can keep fleecing us and still make money. They don't have to change anything about their greedy distro model as long as that 1% of the playerbase keeps spending big. Corporate game publishers are never content with simply making a profit. They want all of the money in the world. Every last cent.

[@mrharvy100]

So if the “OCG way” is just consistency hits in an unmeaningful way is the “TCG way” just doing zero hits to the problem deck itself and do random generic hits hoping it sticks? I see both formats as a problem tbh.

[@autobotstarscream765]

The TCG way is to milk the problem for all its worth before solving it, they didn't get rid of Baronne and Savage Dragon when every other format has them because they cared, they did it to force everyone to pay out the nose for Fiendsmith by removing the now-cheap competition because they had no confidence in INFO or their own creation Mimighoul to sell packs.

[@TavernHunter]

Ocg is a fucking joke

[@elainasjournal5734]

Idk why people prefer the TCG way of either let the deck run rampant, or kill the deck completely. The cards they play aren’t cheap either. Imagine buying cards while knowing those cards will definitely get banned later. Meanwhile, OCG consistency hits allow people to still play their deck for a while. Not everyone can switch to a new deck every 6 months.

[@dariuspenner2528]

@ autobotstarscream765 The TCG banned Savage and Baronne because they’re problematic cards that have had calls to be banned for ages now. Savage was a staple end piece of annoying combo decks like Adamancipator and Synchro Eldlich and was also used in Danger Thunder Dragon decks back in TOSS format. Baronne managed to find its way into every deck that could maybe sometimes make a level 10 synchro and had calls to be banned back in Swordsoul Branded format on release because of how strong it was. And then we’ve seen both cards used in every unbreakable board ever like in SHS and Mannadium. Like it or not, SE end boards became a lot more tolerable after those two got banned since now your stuff actually gets to resolve. SE sometimes making Dies Irae is still infinitely better than contending with Savage and Formula Synchron into Baronne with an Apollousa on board.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@dariuspenner2528 It hasn't staunched the bleeding, but it's infinitely better than *EVERYTHING* ending on Savage Dragon, Baronne, and Apollousa simply due to sheer boredom of everyone seeing the same thing every time from every Deck, and the departure of the two Synchro omninegates igniting a Renaissance of TCG customers, so are you saying the OCG and Master Duel players are wrong on this one, especially when Master Duel lets them and Maxx "C" run free but hits Dark Dragoon of all things?

[@jasonrodriguez3618]

What sucks even more is that so many archetypes are trapped being mid because of bans from one point or another and this deck just keeps getting stronger lol. Thank god nimble beaver is limited though lmao

[@jarom1144]

Doubt water will be tier 1 or even tier 2 even without SE around. While it is getting amazing support to be competitive again, the fact that its actually "fair" and locks you into water only means your power ceiling is significantly lowered. Imagine if SE was locked into fire. On a side note, its wild that ocg literally is forced to play 12 cards practically in the main. I dont know why they think thats okay. 6 MaxC, Ash, Called, and cross out. All are practically essential.

[@CardCommander]

Even the games most diehard konami apologists have to realize that the game is at an impasse.

[@Heroism4499]

You compare SE to Branded Despia but the Branded didn't come out the gate dominant. The Albaz package back in Rise of the Duelist didn't shatter the meta, it only became its own good strategy when Mirrorjade and the Byatials dropped 2-3 years later. Snake Eyes were good at launch

[@CMaxoknight31]

*not good at launch, Snake-Eye literally did NOTHING until Poplar came out

[@LabLab3029]

Snake eyes weren’t playable on release. It didn’t get good until the release of poplar/princess

[@CMaxoknight31]

@rickmel09 the main set after all the other Snake-Eye cards and Diabellstar came out

[@Heroism4499]

@rickmel09 We got Subversion in DUNE and Diabellstar the Black Witch and the rest of the important engine and combo pieces in AGOV. and the next wave that had Poplar and a few consistency was PHNI. That's still approximately 1 year of sets vs. Branded which had 2-3 before it was its own dedicated strategy.

[@Heroism4499]

@@LabLab3029 Snake Eyes was good before Phantom Nightmare (the set with Poplar and Princess) and that set came out within a year of DUNE (when Subversion came out). and the rest of the Snake Eyes package (Flamberge, Diabellstar, Ash, Oak, etc.) came out in AGOV

[@gungnir382]

Let's see what Blue Eyes will do after Structure Deck

[@KuroiSeraph]

In my opinion, Azamina is quite good in white woods.

[@CyrusIsnt]

It was not chosen to be good in snake eyes. Snake eyes just do a lot of things well, and have good effects, with no restrictions.

[@Frido19]

Goblin biker sinful spoils when? 👀

[@ZarkionUltimate]

Snake Eye feels like Kashtira rn where it's gatekeeping the entire format once it's gone everyone will come flooding in ajd and prosperity will be restored to yugioh

[@BGLoscar]

Damn, Yubel fell so hard! I should've sold my SE and QCSE Phantom of Yubels when I pulled them. GG!

[@TheNaughtyDog13]

That's why I like Josh's insights. When he asked "Why isn't Diabellstar working with the other lore decks?", I felt that instantly. Imagine if there was a Sinful Spoils for White Forest that adds a starter by discarding a spell/trap? Also, why give access to an omni-negate for Snake-Eyes (I mean, any deck that uses Azamina can reach said omni, but it's more comfortable in SE)? Konami... You got some explaining to do!

[@Xyvil]

Dude, you don't understand. Yugioh needs to be faster and more combo heavy from Konami's perspective. We didn't even have a 45 min turn 1, without slow play warning in a tournament yet. They just want to improve the gameplay, trust.

[@hoshi314]

5:21 OCG already prefers less combo heavy decks from the start even with Maxx C running around. That's why D-link won the last WCQ, JP guys expect shit like Branded or other short to medium combo but without Maxx C D-link can go to town woth ease.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Is that why the TCG banlist authors are at eternal war against Dragon Link?

[@LS-qs9ju]

To be fair, his opponent in the final is TCG Swordsoul. So OCG is out of question. Do you even watch the world? OCG lost because they are on high Tear copium, also time rules following TCG instead of OCG (this matters a lot). Many OCG player lost because of time as they're not accustomed with TCG time rules.

[@stedo9837]

In some of the new goblin bikers cards you can see Big Badass Gabonga crying in jail with Diabellstar and then fighting against Azamina... I think they will print something like Azamina for Snake Eyes but for Goblin. And there's a goblin on a penguin that actually doesn't exist as a card now

[@nickd6303]

They're going to have to hit snake-eye/ sinful as hard or harder than how they hit tearlaments.

[@actrose4272]

So ban Flamberge, poplar and Limit SE Ash, wanted, Diabellstar or just bring back the Visas crew (Mermaids + Macro on legs)

[@sammydray5919]

Honestly shouldn't banning Flamberge kill the deck? And poplar too for good measure 😅

[@FrkXJ6]

​@@sammydray5919no, it doesnt. Fiendsmith cards and Azamina replace it like nothing... They need to ban Poplar too, otherwise wont be enough

[@sammydray5919]

I'll be honest I was sure I had written Poplar along with Flamberge too lmao. Yeah ban that lil guy. Hella obnoxious and just won't let the deck doe 😅 EDIT : I am stupid. I DID mention they should ban too poplar in my earlier comment. Bruh wtf man you had me hella confused 🤣🤣🤣

[@Salvo_117]

I can’t wait until Konami prints a new archetype that makes Snake-Eyes look like a joke.

[@digitalstatictv]

"Snake-Eye Ash just provides a search and a summon, what's the big deal, what even is that nowadays, crazy to think we were ever scared of this" - Josh in 2027

[@Salvo_117]

@@digitalstatictv ikr 🤣, everyone but pro players saw all this from a mile away.

[@Antithesismanifest]

Dragon rulers moment

[@faisfaizal5194]

Something told me we about to get a link deck that shuffles monsters in the GY as materials.

[@anindobasu6642]

Increase the audio volume a little bit from next time if you can.

[@anotherviewer5348]

Let's realese ishizu tear from the banlist to fight this fire menace 👀

[@onex56]

And this same guy was talking about Mathmech being a problematic deck🤣😅 and look at this now...

[@Shrimp4Gura]

I want Rage from the Abyss so badly for the goblins

[@jaimehernandez4962]

What a time, to be a Shifter deckhead.

[@Ragnarok540]

So weird they focused so much just on Snake Eyes, to the point Goblin Bikers have done less than nothing. In the Albaz lore it seems like most archetypes were viable, with a few exceptions like Icejade.

[@Ragnarok540]

And before someone gets offended, Icejade is a rogue deck that, if your opponent doesn't read, they are in trouble.

[@amr3731]

tbh it's not like they want to focus on snake eyes, they intended to give more archetype that can interact well with diabelstar. snake eyes isn't even disbelstar home archetype. snake eyes just happen to be the best one out of all. thus every times diabelstar got something, snake eyes will eventually got buff. it basically what despia is for albaz.

[@TheBigDeckClub]

I’ve played a lot of yugioh since 2007 and I can for sure say that while I was testing that this is in fact the fastest deck Konami has ever designed.

[@YohananYGO]

Beatrice still legal there i shouldn't be surprised tbh

[@aokijiiceage9589]

Memento ❤

[@Luminousplayer]

i think its a big problem when 28/40 cards are just to attempt to stop the opponent from playing

[@egggge4752]

Yugioh turned into poker. Fr.

[@idosarts_and_krafts]

LET'S GO GAMBLING!!!! AW DANGIT

[@darcygrimm8354]

@@idosarts_and_kraftsAW DANGIT

[@gavinwest7417]

Preach

[@flackenstien]

This game would be the most diverse it has ever been right now if Snake-Eyes was dead and some of the other top decks got smaller hits to prevent them from taking over immediately. I have no idea why things like Tear and Snake-Eyes can exist without some sort of lock. Tear should have locked your Extra Deck to Fusions only, maybe unless using Visas as Material to keep the lore and mechanics tied. Snake-Eyes should lock you to Pyro mid-combo (to allow other decks to make use of Original and Ash) via Poplar and/or Flamberge. We have decks like Abyss Actor that can't even use THEIR OWN LINKS once they use their Qliphort Scout clone. Granted, it doesn't actually hurt them 99% of the time, but compare that to Ishizutear. Two entirely unhinged sets of cards with zero restrictions used in combination in both player's turns. They MUST have multiple R&D teams that do not communicate as much as they should.

[@dwaynemcfadden731]

White forest did get a sinful spoil quick play spell that trades and illusion or spellcaster on field for 1 in grave or banished but it isnt any good and not being played.

[@traplover6357]

If Snake Eyes gets hit then reappears like Zoodiac with Tri Brigade in 2021, then it will be worse 😂

[@sparda191]

I have always said this to all my friends. I swear there is no testing of yugioh cards during their development. I can never believe that Konami had no way to know that this is the result of the current card designs when mixed with the +10,000 card pool available. I honestly believe that Konami wanted to give all players an imaginary skill bump so more people sign up and it seems to be working with all these record attendance events both in ocg and tcg.

[@eoincarey2817]

The community does more testing in an hour of public release than they do in 6 months bc they don't have that many people testing compared to the massive community

[@ak47dragunov]

Konami was very intentional with all this. Diabellstar is their new mascot. OSS, Promethean, and all manner of broken level 1 fires all came out around the same time. Heck, they were even so proud the cards dropped in MD before even the TCG. They want this stuff to be broken

[@sparda191]

@@eoincarey2817 should konami make a beta test server for their newer cards in the hopes they dont make broken cards in the future. XD

[@sparda191]

@@ak47dragunov I agree

[@PyckledNyk]

I don’t know, looks like a pretty diverse meta in the OCG. Snake Eyes isn’t tier 0 over there at least

[@saikuron772]

7 bricks in ur deck, thats why yubel fell off lol

[@thepinms]

Does konami know they can print good support for more than 1 deck?

[@mot4569]

My banlist prediction (and this is gonna be Konami prioritising future product sales over a healthy meta): Forbidden: Relinquished Anima Hiitaa Link-2 Fabled Lurrie Yama Beatrice One for one Limited: Wanted Snake eye ash Sangen Summoning Opening of the spirit gates Spooky Dogwood D-barrier Semi limited: Shifter Pot of prospy Crossout

[@mot4569]

I know this sounds stupid and rediculous but I could definetly see Konami do this -_-

[@ahmedehab8167]

Even Ishizu Tear didn't last that long...

[@jumpiestaman100]

Ishizu Tear lasted about the same amount of time as SE has.

[@AsuraEnigma]

Malice reaction where?

[@knmrt2760]

Good question... Did he already react to the cards ?

[@rolypaulie9329]

​@@knmrt2760Yeah, in today's stream

[@syaefullrizcky]

Why Azamina and the good stuff only fit SE not White Forest/Goblin? Because Azamina is the corrupt "pet" version of the Witch and Snake Eyes is what Witch hunt and tamed.. Meanwhile White Forest is the past when they still a "white" or pure.. Goblin biker is just supporting cast Its the same like all the Branded, Despia, Bystial and all the "dark" support is benefit Albaz or Branded deck not Swordsoul, Tri-Brigade or Icejade(supporting cast in lore)

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@syaefullrizcky And yet _Spriggans_ of all things got cross-support with Branded beyond one or two meme cards like Tri-Brigade Mercourier. 😂

[@trollinggaming9903]

At this point, I just want to see the clash of the tier 0 Snake Eyes vs tier 0 Ishizu Tearlaments and see how it would go. Free the Tear!! Albaz lore and Visas lore are some of the well designed story. They both have robust archetypes in them and each can play their own. Let's talk about swordsoul, icejade, tri-brigade, and spriht in the Albaz lore. These decks have their own play and doesn't have or have little synergy to the Albaz/branded archrtype. And in Visas lore, there's Kashtira that's part of the lore but doesn't relate itself to Visas. This Snake Eyes lore is just like making archetype powering up Diabellstar hundredfold.

[@aczeos]

2:19 there is no way a professional player thinks this is true 😂

[@devindavis7303]

Ahh yes the tear players in the background crying for Kit to come back yes bring back kit With your names at 1. Because while EVERYONE is currently playing 18-20ht, Bystials in the main, and Tempai/ritual beast playing shifter as well as protos-RB obviously-you can do what exactly…ohh pass turn? Hmm yeah that’s what I thought

[@f687sNFM]

at my locals almost no one runs snake eye, but its all tenpai and yubel, and i hate it cuz of oppressive boards or the massive amount of non engine that tenpai does and one cards kills you under shifter. thinking about quitting, also malchummy is just so that ocg players can have a maxx c in worlds

[@christianacosta4846]

I just hate that’s any 1 card gets there and it’s just stuff the rest with as much non engine as possible, I think itd be fine if this required consistent 2 cards that couldn’t really play through hts but nah and they won’t change the formula of strong 1 cards

[@GlacierMoonDragon]

SE been getting stronger, but that mainly has to do with the amount of SS the Deck can make.

[@mikemosc3254]

Your stressin me out man.

[@yugiMOWS]

As good as the support in rota is for goblins it's still got nothing on all the insane support for snake eyes also why do we need 3 traps

[@n4b5ter41]

I was thinking about going to Yugioh locals today but this just reminded me that i wont have fun. Instead im going to pokemon where more decks can compete and i can play anything i want without feeling like im being robbed. Also no ht so i dont feel like i got cheated out of a game.

[@ThisGuyTV]

Snake eyes are not going to get hit IMO especially with this new support coming out. They with hit the ash and Flamberge to 1 and I think that’s about it.

[@lhv2k]

What I don't understand is, why the heck do people keep acting like SE completely overshadow and destroy everything in OCG, calling it crazy, absurd, blah blah blah while it literally only take 25% representation, literally just equal to Tenpai, and BOTH combined can't even reach 50%. In OCG SE even full power never account for more than 30% representation, worse than many T1 decks in diverse formats in the past, yet TCG people keep overreacting like no decks can be played other than SE, calling it dorminant T0, wtf ? What kind of brainrot that make people ignoring facts to overreact like that

[@NamePending9]

This is results from locals not top cut of large events

[@Xero-rr2ol]

it is dominant lol. people just dont want to play it.

[@PalkiaDialgaGiratina]

I see the point you're trying to make, there is some merit to it. The issue is, we're missing the top-cut breakdown, this is a breakdown for the entire tournament. The fact that Snake Eye has this much representation after being in the format for a long time, that Yubel players have pivoted back is not what people who didn't like Snake Eye wanted to see. Very much like for how long Tear lasted (and I loved Tear), I have come to understand just how much that deck destroyed the enjoyment of the game for many casual players and local tournaments here. From what I understand (I could be wrong), but there is genuine love and interest for YuGiOh in Japan in a way that isn't there in the TCG regions, we don't get many products and accessories without having to import. A lot of the voices of many casual players here often get crowded out, there are not as many product offerings for non-competitive players. So these things combined could lead to more people leaving the game. ROTA released a lot of good water support, and to basically not even see it, is discouraging. We need a few more tournament reports to confirm it, but it essentially looks like business as usual in terms of the format, without any change.

[@yugimumoto1]

is this a best of 3 or best of 1 format tournament? from the amount of tenpai I think this was a best of 1 format which is what the majority of the ocg plays. in a best of 1 format, tenpai has no real counters outside of maybe getting a paidra ashed as you can't reasonably main deck something like threatening roar.

[@christianacosta4846]

Idc about representation but the gameplay just isn’t interesting, because I defended tear at similar hits and similar representation. The gameplay for se is just 1 card combos and a million starters that all do the same thing. Tear had multiple cards that did different things and couldn’t even play 20 nonengine which is why se isn’t as fun

[@gabrielshimabukuro546]

For the love of god Josh needs to watch any Diabell lore, first of all he says why theres no SS for the other archetypes, not only they have one but his example was WW the deck that got SS deceptions, YOU CAN SEE SILVY AND RUCHIA ON THE CARD ART, its not that complicated, the card even has the GY effects of the WW spells but on the end phase. And another thing is WE HAVE A GOBLIN BIKER SS, from VBEX 4 we know that Globin Crazy Beast ate Sinful Spoil Aethon we even have his Azamina verision (Azamina are the original demons of the SS) Sol Eryscithon, same stats and type, so we just need to wait to see his SS version. On the same set we even got A White woods card so its strange to use them as example.

[@Furnabulax1]

Konami is def acting reckless with these decks synergizing with one another. It doesnt seem like they care anymore

[@beowulf04]

looking grim

[@slayerbane8941]

After Worlds, the banlist has to go scorched earth on snake-eye or the game is going to be even more unplayable, if it already isn't.

[@saxonhagemann1918]

I miss Tri-Brigade

[@sepheiba]

Fiendsmith is just super generic, you can use in any deck, and you use in the best deck

[@jumpiestaman100]

Realistically, banning Flamberge + Oak outright kills SE (because without Flamberge and Oak, wth do you do once you've activated Temple?). Technicalyl playable, but just so ass that no one would bother. But if it's a bigger banlist, hitting both Yubel and Tenpai as well should change the meta a bit (Tenpai put at least Sangen Summoning to 1, Yubel at least putting Opening of the Spirit Gates to 1).

[@alexbrangan2885]

If this upcoming banlist isn't a massacre list, we need independent ARG-style tournaments to come back. I don't care if Konami strips TOs of their ability to sell product. Nobody but big spenders is gonna buy it anyway. Better for the community to make its own banlist (with blackjack! and h**kers!) than huff more copium trusting the devs to do the right thing. The players forced Konami to acknowledge Edison and support events for it. They can do it again.

[@Markanthony10704]

If the majority of players hate the sneak eyes deck why don’t players come together and not play the damn deck. People are complaining but are playing the deck. Doesn’t help the cause

[@aetherwolf9288]

Let me cook for a sec: Ban Called by and Crossout like cards. Limit Handtraps so they only work when you don’t control any cards (kinda like Imperm). Limit access to handtraps so there is only a set amount of them allowed per deck. Limit bosses (except for those archetypes that need two like Salad or Dreammirror), ban/ change one card bridges (like Yama for Fiends and Closed Heaven for Fiendsmiths), ban generic draws, ban none archetypal floodgates and limit/ban access to generic boss monsters and otk enablern. Finally if the changes mentioned above don’t do enough introduce a destiny draw for turn two. Yugioh wouldn’t be about: „me make big board me win“ anymore and more about resource management and finding initial synergies between archetypes (like between Yubel and Unchained, Fiendsmith and Musket, Ice Barrier and Ghoti or even triple synergies like CB Springans Tri-brigade and Branded). Also cards like Labrynth set up would become way stronger. Again don’t get me wrong. This isn’t a 100% fix (Rescue-Ace and Memento for example would be totally broken as they have near infinite grind), but it would be a good start in my opinion to slow down the game again. Im also aware that this is 100% biased as I love midrange/control strats and Im totally aware that some archetypes like Unchained would be completely butchered (1 Rage, 1 Anguish, 1 Abom and AUS, no Yama and SP). But well Im just a MD nerd that really enjoys the game. So what di you guys think? Am I right or am I wrong. Pls let me know Im happy to discuss with all of you.

[@kurt7836]

SE can make apo and azamina omni negate before even ns ash lmao gg

[@ABCDjjw]

Really hope the TCG outright nukes the format, specifically snakes. Between Ash, Poplar, and Flamberge, at least two of those three gotta go.

[@johnathanlemus5584]

Cope, it’ll be a June list type of banlist, As Billy brake would say, “Pls buy our new set.”

[@relloz6]

On the card design topic, I think the fault lies not in snake-eye itself or fiendsmith, but moon of the closed heaven. 50 bucks says that the fiendsmith cards weren't tested with it because it was a jump promo, and as such was designed in a different wave and\or by a different team.

[@GebiGamer383]

They still used it for profit by releasing it the same ser they released fiendsmith in

[@jvsonic2468]

One statement: The modern design of the game is a problem in of itself. Second statement: Players keep going to tournaments and buy Konami products and digital purchases (being of Duel Links & Master Duel) surrounding YuGiOh, so Konami will keep making shit card designs like this to keep those players interested and attracted in the competitive scene to "support" the game. The whole push for versatility & utility in card & deck design gotten in Konami's head to where they keep making generic engines, staples. handtraps, and deck themes powerful and/or impactful when they should be regulated, more conditional, costly, and/or restricted enough to limit where they can be played and/or the potential of their gameplay. But, who cares of this information?!?!? The game still gets supported, and that supports greedy Konami, so if y'all have a problem with that, consider either crying about it and continue complaining constantly or do something (in the most well-mannered, respectful way) that will force Konami to not only respond but also take action because whatever y'all are doing that would try to get to Konami isn't working at all.

[@PyckledNyk]

I dunno, I still like snakes. Sounds like a skill issue. Also, ain’t no way the TCG is going to kill SE before worlds.

[@pershingdoughboy]

Snake eyes gets all the love because Konami chooses to make its money by squeezing the competitive yugioh players. Most companies make decisions based on the casual auf=dice because its always bigger than the competitive. But not Konami. We are in a cycle that will continue. From now on Konami will ALWAYS design and support one deck to be much better than all others because its the way they have chosen to make money. As long as competitive players, and those who inspire to be, are willing to buy the best cards: they will continue the cycle.

[@OneRockyBoi77]

Just play labrynth and lava golem them I guess

[@onecent101]

And it somehow got better 😭😭😭 in fact I wanna do something fun why don't we list all the benefits this deck provides and then in the replies try to tell me why we don't just play this 1. Can make insane endboards 2. Can play through handtraps and can beat 1-1 handtraps with no issues 3. Can set up a negate before summon number 5

[@sinzodium8421]

azaminas first summon can be an omni, deck is stupid

[@WhatsUrName0o7]

Can Konami PLEASE stop making a good deck and then spreading the support over 5-7 fucking sets? I remember the days when you bought a meta deck and you got the cards from one set and you were good, maybe in the next set you got a cool upgrade that was cheap. Snake Eyes getting good cards, money cards, across Age Of Overlord, Maze Of Millenia, Phantom Nightmare, Infinite Forbidden and now Rage Of The Abyss is fucking ridiculous. This game will never be affordable to budget and new players if they keep doing this.

[@Hanvri]

Enough time has passed and I'm gonna say it now. Banning barrone and savage has had a more detrimental impact on the meta, banned them now they have an Omni again. I was fine when they had no access to omnis but now they have an even easier access to an Omni than they had before with barrone.

[@uriel6873]

At this point it feels like they’re purposely trying to kill the game

[@Sly_rack]

Just ban all the power creep cards that makes this decks to unfair

[@renzokuken9623]

Ocg banlist justbto dumb

[@supskyalr]

The very easy answer to this is ban original sinful spoils

[@autobotstarscream765]

R.I.P. every legacy Deck that card was supposed to bail out as opposed to obliterating Snake-Eye and letting the rest of the Year of FIRE play out with OSS for Fire King, Synchron, Rescue-ACE, Volcanic, T.G., Evol, Plant, Flamvell/Laval, Infernoble/FIRE Warrior after the necessary ban of Isolde... 🔥

[@autobotstarscream765]

@Xuilin_ Beatrice needs to go anyway because Fiendsmith doesn't need Snake-Eye to break her and they're not going anywhere.

[@supskyalr]

@Xuilin_ I was simply meaning this new combo with the Azamina stuff. Ban Beatris too of course

[@bearlight2846]

thats a old post a week ago

[@traplover6357]

There is no new updated post. Roadoftheking is typically every 2-3 week update

[@Stanky_Foot]

sorry but all fire decks except infernoid should never see the light of day. rescue ace and fire kings are some of the most obnoxious archetypes to ever exist