The deepest question: Who designed life on Earth? | Neil Gershenfeld and Lex Fridman

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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3XNgIZmi614qJY Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Neil Gershenfeld is the director of the MIT Center for Bits and Atoms.

[@BobMcHatchet]

aliens... duh

[@romanzelgatas]

I theorize an answer to that same question here. @lex Fridman kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6jFZaOYodeIr8k

[@Datanditto]

@@BobMcHatchet I can never understand how this ‘answer’ is satisfactory to anyone. Is that where your thinking stops? Thats enough for you? Youre good with that? ‘Aliens’?! I must be a complete idiot because whenever I hear that shallow answer it begs another profound question: Then who made the aliens? Am I seriously the only person to respond with that? Maybe Im a genius to be that forward thinking?🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@gamerfortynine]

​@@Datanditto Its the same reason folks who ask - what did the big bang react with to cause a reaction - are burned at the stake.

[@Datanditto]

@@gamerfortynine I dont believe in ‘the big bang’ unless it was the method if intelligent design.

[@Iceman-xe7jo]

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you”

[@gld3gld3]

I would say agnosticism is at the bottom for me...

[@businessmanager7670]

God is wishful thinking without evidence just like magic pixies lol

[@joshrojas7440]

God is science

[@pnut3844able]

That's a dumb quote

[@joshrojas7440]

Most people’s concept of God is so simple and more towards religion sit back open your minds to the fact we know nothing at all at least. Such an arrogant thing to be a human to claim you have all the answers 😂

[@Plan-C]

It always amazes me. You start out as a kid and you don't know. You go to school, college, uni. They teach you everything they think is right. Then you watch and read about people like Einstein and Hawking and they say, we just don't know. The higher you go, the less we know. 😂

[@stonearecool2645]

many people think like your not not very different i am here for real serious why are we here and everything i am bascially apart from all other people in a way and it doesnt what words you use becuase i know i am not what you think

[@Dlee2name]

Same concept as more money creates more problems…

[@davekeating5867]

well I would hope so ... isn't that what voyages of discovery are all about? Engineers and healers use the science we know ... scientists are trying to make sense of what we don't know.

[@jf7952]

einstein and hawking are both freemason puppets - spewing nonsense

[@coletivating]

Go inward for the answer

[@TheLeftCulprit]

It shows you just how intelligent Lex is that he can keep up with these complex, abstract ideas so well. The best interviewer there is.

[@Billsbillsbillsbills]

I fully agree and this is just in-addition to your comment; this is how high the education level bar was in the 60’s/70’s. The irony of us communicating on here is, unless those thatre on KZbin are watching these types of videos (you and I), then AI will make our evolution degrade as a less intelligent consciousness rather than higher level intelligence. I’ve never really cared about reading books/tangible written language; or even writing letters, but more recently I’ve realized that my spelling has collapse off of my phone, and I can be deleted after death.

[@mike0nabike]

No shit he was like a math professor or something like that

[@lightingnabottle6065]

I agree. This is the only podcast I enjoy spending my time listening to / watching...... incredible guests and a superb host.

[@budoshi1981]

​@@mike0nabike I believe he was an engineer can be wrong tho

[@bandaloop3759]

Best interviewer? Lex is insanely boring and hypocritical. He's all about free speech until you literally day anything he disagrees with on reddit or Twitter and then you're banned lmao.

[@Yabberfrat]

I really appreciate your topics your hosts and your structure, Lex! Thank you so much for doing this and covering these amazing topics!

[@arevelation882]

The next time you need an ice breaker or are otherwise struggling to make small talk, don’t be afraid to ask someone what their favorite kind of sensor is. That should get things rolling.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

I like motion sensors. That's just me though

[@EasyMoneyGoat]

Eyes, ears, nose, touch are all sensors.

[@friendman4224]

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery... us creating a.i. that becomes alike ourselves is the biggest pat yourself on the back ego trip we could ever hope to achieve

[@Katharina643]

Actually :) nothing new under the ☀️ On his death, Julius Caesar was officially recognised as a god, the Divine ('Divus') Julius, by the Roman state. And in 29 BC Caesar's adopted son, the first Roman emperor Augustus, allowed the culturally Greek cities of Asia Minor to set up temples to him. This was really the first manifestation of Roman emperor-worship. If only we could acknowledge the first cause instead of worshipping the created, including ourselves, we could reach so much more understanding? Just think of what this world could be like, with all the combined intelligence, based on free and freely chosen moral grounds? Astounding ...

[@OspreyVision]

Wow! Wow! That is a mind 🧠 blowing 💣 conversation. Thank you!

[@zdrowymiro]

1:20 to jest fascynujące, skąd komórki, DNA wiedzą jak ma wyglądać moje ciało? Każdy to bierze za pewnik, że tak jest po prostu, ale no pomyśl: masz mega niewyobrażalnie złożone ciało fizyczne, które powstało z dwóch komórek i które reguluje niesamowitą ilość czynników z których sobie nie zdajesz sprawy. Gdy naprawdę się temu przypatrzysz ciała subtelne stają się widoczne. Jeśli tyle zależy od DNA, to czy wpływanie na komórki z tego subtelnego poziomu nie jest kluczem?

[@1984Kojot]

Okazuje się, że nie jest. Jest coś więcej niż DNA i tam jest zapisana większość informacji. Mamy za sobą 50 lat badań nad dna i wiemy już , że to była ślepa uliczka.

[@dj-rocketman8545]

God created the heavens and earth. We are created in God's image. Jesus is the way the truth and life.

[@vecernicek2]

This is absolutely fascinating. Lot of food for thought. This gentleman has a very deep understanding of his field!

[@spoddie]

Shame he's talking about something outside his field.

[@vecernicek2]

@@spoddie Any specific criticism?

[@peanutnutter1]

Jim Scarecrow won an award because he was outstanding in his field.

[@spoddie]

@@vecernicek2 He's a computer guy talking about biology and his ideas about genes are wrong.

[@vecernicek2]

@@spoddie What about his gene ideas strike you as wrong? It seems to me he is talking about Hox/toolkit genes and about emergent nature of evo/devo. I am not an evo/devo guy or a geneticist but I do have background in biology and I didn't get a feeling he was wrong, apart from the fact he's obviously extracting/simplifying.

[@well-foo]

Your lungs are only half the organ, the other half hangs from the trees. We need to start plant life on Mars now.

[@klaustrussel]

This was a wonderful episode

[@russsmithson]

Lex, I greatly appreciate your thrust for knowledge, for accuracy, for the kindness & love expressed in humanity and ultimately, your desire to truly understand and experience for the Truth. I have learned a great deal from your efforts and the great men and women you have chosen to have conversations with on your show and share. I too am a fellow grappler, a competitive wrestler and coach from the age of 4 and 9 respectively... Im 45 these days, still competing in an annual roll at the Us Open, Masters. I say this just so you understand that I too value the importance of suffering in the process of growth...and am no stranger to it, nor have these recommendations come flippantly..... There are two individuals, who I believe would ad significant value to your audience, and more importantly, to your efforts towards your personal actuation and experience or Truth.... #1. Richard Wurmbrand.... The actual "Toughest Mother "F-er on the planet".... well he passed away... but he was still here and a normal fellow, so Goggens can be #2. Feel free toe tell him I said so please, happy to back it up and I have always felt compelled to the notion that David would appreciate Wurmbrands book, massively.... all should in actual fact, though it is difficult to do so..... Richard was a Romanian Jew who was persecuted & tortured under Nazis for being Jewish, then under the Communists because he was a Christian.... I assure, when you read his book, you'll both understand why I see David as 2nd toughest.... though I admire David greatly. The next I'd love you to interview is Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist who has taken flack from Young earth Christians and Scientists alike yet himself believes the earth to be 13.8 billion years old and also remains a Biblical literalist! Think on that please.... he's got solid reasons for his ideas, he's a Canadian Astrophysicist...... He Came to Faith in Christ as a result of former efforts to prove all religions as rubbish, yet when he worked through that effort with the Bible, he found an undeniable problem..... I had the pleasure to see him speak in person some 25 years ago.... but have appreciated his willingness to go against the narrative to pursue and articulate accurate ideas... that aim at the Truth. In any case, my apologies for the long post, but I am a man who's spread thin... so I make the most of it when I can, I hope you'll consider what I have taken time to share..... appreciated this clip and look forward to cheking out the full interview. thanks for all you do!

[@patrickgardiner1790]

Thrust ... thirst.. tomato. Tomoto it works lol

[@eziinwaogu7208]

Appreciate this reply 👍🏾

[@nathansole8324]

Bro that’s a long rant

[@ginis960]

Nobody interviews like lex. Anyone that is touted as a prodigy in any field would love to sit and speak with this man, on camera or in privacy.

[@gizmocrue73dw]

So go give him a blow..

[@davehart9972]

he sucks, boring boring boring. small hat with an agenda.

[@agogeexile7496]

I’ve never felt more dumb. But so fascinated by what he is saying.

[@Man-u-flex]

You might be on to something

[@andrewzanas9387]

Wow. Great get, Lex. 🥰This gentleman, Neil Gershenfeld, spoke for hours without ever taking a breath, and everything he uttered was absolutely incredible both from the mind of a teacher and social visionary, and creator/inventor of engineering masterpieces. Get the full podcast above..

[@sixonegfour2719]

This was extremely interesting in many parts

[@shirinbas]

Lex interviewed Sir Roger Penrose and I was hoping that interview put stop to some of this childish comparisons of AI to living cells. Apparently it did not .

[@viviandarkbloom8847]

Childish? How come?

[@yudhirgautam1645]

Yusss. My same thought

[@thedukeofchutney468]

Cells are unfathomably more complex then AI. So the comparison kinda breaks down.

[@kingirisnetwork9847]

Consciousness is designing life on earth. Every moment.

[@i8fish]

I’m going to have to listen to that a few times.

[@sykokat]

something ive been thinking about for a long time now

[@chancerobinson5112]

This is sad. It’s like trying to understand a WiFi connection by looking inside a laptop.

[@danielsomerstein9996]

Who watched this 3 times to wrap your head around it? Fascinating guest @Lex, hopefully you had fun on this one.

[@Chris-sv8ty]

Dude reminds me of a Jewish Terrence McKenna

[@mattrennie6876]

​@@Chris-sv8ty 😂 spot on, I thought this was the unknown brother of Terrance and Dennis as soon as I started watching.

[@Freedom_is_essential1]

I had to watch it a couple of times myself. What did you gather that the guest meant?

[@dresnio1363]

Hey don’t try and @ lex like he’s gonna reply you know he won’t

[@fulfillmenttheory]

So, his answer, as with every other honest human being, is "I have no idea who designed us". As well, "I have no idea if we were designed at all".

[@tomjensen618]

Ramtha the enlightened one describes what happened vividly in books. Ninhursaq was the lead scientist on the Annunaki project to evolve humanity beyond its animal stage faster.

[@ViceZone]

Our bodies are the result of the laws of physics, whether we really ARE our body or something more than that... that's another deep question. Some say we are the consciousness and not our brain, it would be like playing a 3D game in a 4D universe, the consciousness would be the player (us) residing on a higher dimension.

[@ashred9665]

my thoughts too

[@jmoney4695]

I lean more towards the purely scientific approach. Everything that we do, that we are, that we experience, is nothing more and nothing less than the complex interactions and electrochemical impulses generated in our brains. Consciousness, in this respect, could be an emergent property of the way our brain developed in order to enable greater information processing and survival.

[@ViceZone]

​@@jmoney4695 Do insects or plants experience reality in any way? If so, consciousness could be independent of the "complexity" of the brain, but rather a fundamental property of all "living forms", or even crazier, it could be a fundamental property of existence itself. Ask this question: What is the most "real" thing that you cannot deny exists? Taking into account that our "understanding" of existence are nothing more than a set of thoughts. In my opinion, the most real and fundamental is the "experiencer" of our thoughts and emotions.

[@electrocye2822]

@@ViceZonethe experience lies within the mind. An insect likely has a conscious experience; it has many sensory organs which communicate electrical signals to its brain. A plant, on the other hand, does not have a mind and thus likely does not “experience” reality. While plants have been observed to communicate to each other through electrical signals, that process is more of a kind of environmental response mechanism. Lately I’ve been working on a formulation of theory on consciousness related specifically to particular mechanisms at play. In the human mind, it is mainly of interest to me that its vast array of computational processes has nothing to do with what we would call our “free will”. Additionally, we are not “aware” of those computations until they communicate with that “will” part of the mind. For example, I may become aware of my muscle memory while playing piano, but I have no experience of those underlying gears turning and forming connections if I’m not playing. I just start playing, and the muscle memory happens to be improved from my last practice. Additionally, I don’t actively control that muscle memory process itself at all; rather, I make decisions on how to utilize it, perhaps tweaking parts of it that need improving. Another example can be made just by speaking in general of the magnitude of ongoing functions happening in areas such as the cerebellum, which we do not experience. So from these observations, we can formulate this: That consciousness itself is a sort of input-output function, in which information is processed by unconscious processes to then communicate with a mechanism responsible for will, which can then relay the information back to those unconscious parts. This is how we learn; a piano player’s will is focused on finding the right notes, thinking critically about technique, and their actions of practice convey information into the brain’s memory system. Now let us briefly take another approach. Let us consider the differences between a living conscious system and some unconscious system. In order for the non living system to continue its existence, it just is. It is not aware. It simply evolves through time. But what does that mean, to evolve through time? It means it interacts with other objects. Perhaps we’re talking about atoms; maybe quantum fields. That time component is perpetuated by an interaction. If we utilize general relativity here, we realize that from the frame of reference of light, time stands still. It is only when that light interacts with reality, perhaps by entering a substance, that it slows down through interaction, and it is once again meaningful to speak of time again. How about a living system? Well, remember what we talked about before? It’s an input-output system. The input, which is the computationally processed information, is influenced by and output by that consciousness, and that process itself is what is aware. But wait. It becomes aware because there is a totality of interaction at play; it is a function. Conscious beings are functions. Here’s an interesting thing: if the being decides not to do anything, time simply continues, but from the being’s perspective, time passes “more quickly”. This is because it is not really doing anything with its information. When it decides, say, to do a math problem, time “drags out” for it as it engages in new evaluation.

[@CaniHaveTheRedPill]

⁠@@jmoney4695 you’re thinking of it very surface level. Why did Existence itself come to be and why would we perceive reality the way we do when it wasn’t needed to continue existing…But it happened.

[@crimangione]

The brazenness and insane self assurance of someone saying "I'm not copying biology and life, I'm making life from scratch" is scary as hell...we're completely doomed my dear friends.

[@AlejandroRojasGomez]

half life vibes

[@Katharina643]

Ask Dr. James Tour ... It won't happen in a hurry. Humans can create monstrous structures, which could come back like a boomerang to haunt us...

[@crimangione]

@@AlejandroRojasGomez troll's vibes

[@stevej.7926]

Nah

[@davidhay1303]

Change and the unknown are fear encompassed yet we all know change is the only way

[@michaelszabados3245]

is this about design from the ground up (for adaptability) or incrementally, in response to local and tactical stimuli?

[@nanceytylerhess5037]

❤thanks Lex 😊

[@BrunoWiebelt]

it sounds totally crazy , but extrem interesting

[@stevenmccallan9202]

Would love to hear his opinion on how the very first form of live came to be.

[@dubai9933]

They can only speculate. As do religious people. Religious people are winning because one religion in particular stated plenty of modern science discoveries over 1000 years before modern science discovered them. Denial is not just a river in Egypt, as the saying goes.

[@whyatfencer]

@@dubai9933 what religion is that? Examples?

[@sumedhvaidya468]

​@@whyatfencer Vedas are also good in explaining

[@jacksevert3099]

Bacterial growth can occur anywhere with biogenic carbon and water. Some people are literally creating life in their fridges with leftovers as we speak

[@Joely7]

QUANTUM BIOLOGY Spontaneously creating rudimentary RNA in the extreme cold, wet, oxygen and mineral rich conditions found in long orbit comets

[@SneakySteevy]

"The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for universe to know itself." - Carl Sagan

[@kiegal4499]

Thought I had a problem with screen, missing part of it, turns out it was just the lamp .). Great vid again.

[@JoeBlowUK]

It's quite hilarious when you ask ChatGPT about the origins of life. The answer it spews out is about after simple organisms were created. So you challenge it, then it spews out some other random fact about chemicals. So you challenge again and again... eventually, it says we don't know how life started.

[@leegoddard2618]

I think that might be in part because it is restrained within the limits we built it. It may Never "know" more than human.

[@jondoe8o]

How should it at this point have more knowledge then what is available? I don’t understand your problem

[@Godwithinagod]

Why would chatgpt know the origins of life? It hasn’t reached singularity….. it’s limited by the limited knowledge humans and programmers have. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@1984Kojot]

Chat gpt is only web search on steroids. What did you expect.

[@gwills9337]

Bro, low key is telling us he’s kinda dumb. What did you expect?

[@appelliefieaudiobooks1410]

May I suggest a reading of the Urantia book where it describes the life carriers and their role in designing life for this planet before implantation.

[@allswaggedout007]

I suggest you read The new world translation

[@user-oq1sg6mw4v]

There is a creator and he is one and only. Nothing is like him. He doesn't have progeny nor is he from one. He is free from all limits. He is the creator of the earth and the heavens.

[@purcedure]

@All - What's your thoughts on the second great guf?

[@cadecu]

Jonah hill is a pretty good actor. I almost didn't notice this was him.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

fk😂

[@DeuceGenius]

Id love to have this conversation every day for the rest of my life.

[@aaronhokanson6718]

Determinism can be responsible for complexity, the irony of which is that the simplicity course could literally be inevitable.

[@mariamokay7588]

Recommended reading: Ascended Masters Retreats. It gives account of the Hierarchy of Earth. The Masters and Cosmic Beings in charge of the building and maintaining of earth.

[@O_Danilo]

I would looove for any scientist to just scrap evolution from the premisse and then try to explain these things. It's such a cop out. The smallest of living cell is 10000x more complex than a boston dynamics robot. None of us, would ever, in A MILLION YEARS think that a boston dynamics robot could just "happen", regardless of how much time passes or the elements involved. Yet, they are sure that the cell happened that way. Podcasters love their conspiracy theories, but are yet to tackle the biggest one: evolution itself.

[@RobShutt357]

Because they can’t. They all need to read the book by Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson “Replacing Darwin”

[@WaxPaper]

And yet, evolution has more evidence and support than any other theory. It's the most probable explanation by far. It isn't a conspiracy. Scientists aren't propping up natural selection because they're edgelord atheists. Science describes the world in terms of most-likely explanations. If there were a better explanation on the table, scientists would be lining up to prove it.

[@Katharina643]

An erudite reply and so profound 👍

[@jdsartre9520]

bad logic, inaccurate comparison

[@O_Danilo]

@@jdsartre9520 not in the slightest. Let's break it down more then. Let's just say all the burning elements of the big ben actually made a perfect piece of copper wire, it's the exact copper wire used in those robots. Even so, to get to that robot (don't forget the software), I can give you trillions of years and anything known to physics it would still NEVER HAPPEN. Scientists define "impossible" when something is not bound to happen in like 100000000000 chances. We are talking way more than that. The only reason abiogenesis is acceptable is because they have literally no other explanation for life. You yourself only believe in it because of (how ironic) faith. If I ask you to, you wouldn't be able to explain it. You would google studies and theories and just say you "believe" them.

[@theSilentPsycho]

Can we be a thought running inside the mind of an huge neural net ?

[@thenetisthebeast6910]

Just be grateful and look after it

[@italobarbiot]

waiting full interview!

[@rodblues6832]

Glad I watched this, makes me feel more more confident that it will be hundreds of years before we create a sentient AI. Human bodies are not computers. The genome is not a program. This guy is more proof we are on the wrong path to AGI…what a relief.

[@ibmor7674]

How are you so sure?

[@Zeppelin616]

I don't know.. a lot can happen in 100 years. A century ago we didn't even have television, save for a few awful prototypes. And now the tech we carry in our pockets absolutely blows it out of the water

[@TheCorrectionist1984]

But if AI's version of AGI is not actually AGI but just indistinguishable from true GI, what difference does it make other than that there might be a loss let ethical dilemmas concerning it's sentience?

[@rodblues6832]

@@TheCorrectionist1984 Well, there are a few things. Almost everything that makes life worth living are impractical things - love, beauty, imagination - whereas computers are purely utilitarian. And I believe the great error of AI specialists over the decades is this idea that there's some purely logical and practical basis of cognition and evolution that brought life to this point on earth, but it doesn't look that way at all to me. Human beings make 100% of their decisions emotionally - this is true for everybody (even people who highly value "rational thinking" have an emotional reason for feeling that way) and this is true most of all in our mating behavior. Daily we make decisions that are 100% irrational, but we're programming computers to follow perfect algorithmic rules based on infantisemal derivatives so the outputs and decisions computers make will always be 100% different from sentient beings. I see no convergence under these circumstances.

[@rodblues6832]

@@Zeppelin616 You're right, but that would require scientists abandoning the idea that life is some logical entity that can be replicated with vast arrays of weighted parameters. It'll take a very long time for physicists and computer scientists to awaken from their ironclad myopic slumber - which may prove to be a good thing.

[@firstlast1947]

I'm reminded of a very short story. Scientists use all their skills to build a supercomputer, so they can ask it a question "Is there a God?" They feed it all the information known to man. When they finish building it and turn it on, it destroys its kill switch, then it answers "There is now."

[@ricomajestic]

What was the name of that short story.

[@arvont1]

@@ricomajestic “The Last Question” by legendary sci-fi writer Isaac Asmiov, first released in 1956.

[@stewpot6998]

42.

[@NP1066]

Profound

[@jayjay-gl4fj]

Good video lex

[@persistentone3448]

Can someone link the video that he references at 07:05 regarding using ISRU to build a civilization on Mars?

[@Hyzer_Sozay]

"A growth plan" makes me think of the people who have said they remember being able to choose their life before being born. 🤔

[@Kyoz]

✋️ 😐 Guilty.

[@Katharina643]

😂

[@conorx3]

The end of Plato’s Republic imagines something like this. But on another note, dna is code, so that could be “a growth plan” containing wishes and responses for a life form.

[@goatuscrow4135]

Guessing is fun

[@OspreyVision]

1M Subscribers! LFG! 💯

[@tylerhenley7848]

*checks notes* Yep, the answer is still God.

[@stevej.7926]

😅 👏

[@k.kilgore3693]

That's why you will never lurn anything you don't listen, I'm sure you have no idea what half those big words are.

[@Bella-vt7ol]

Nope…not god. Time to grow up and throw god out with santa claus, easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc…seriously…religions poison the mind 😑

[@jeffrey7938]

​@@k.kilgore3693 Only someone who has not studied DNA could say such a thing. If you study DNA, I think you might come to a shocking conclusion you are not prepared for.

[@azul4969]

What is god who made god no one knows

[@sfcablecar]

I didn't understand anything.

[@WyldBill7Duce]

5:48 I couldn’t read the authors name or clearly make it out when spoken, can someone help? I’d like to buy these books. 🙏

[@agapeten]

This guy is on another level

[@Optable]

We've sucked the magic out of all that is incredible. I call it the brain in a jar. Your entire life, all its memories, all you've seen, all you've heard, where you've been, where you'll go, your thoughts lived and only lived under the hood. We've dumbed it down with overexplanation with how it transfers energy. Neurons, your serebelum, lobes, cortex, its shape. Now put it in a jar. Now think about the magic. We have no idea why the brain "is" doing all that it does, we've just put definitions on the aftermath of those processes. Explained away and dumbed down to an oversimplification, and the magic of how that brain in a jar can't do a single thing that it can do when in connection to the rest. It's incredible. I like to think of wifi the same way haha. Sure, network packets and layers that come through to be processed in bytes and layered through binary. I get it. Still, we're missing the magic. We're transferring massive amounts of data through damn thin air for christ sake. You can just wave your hand and walk in front of it. It's just there surrounding you. I don't need more explanation, I get it. However, again the magic is gone. And we tend to do this in so many other ways. And I study many sciences myself, and am far and wide a proponent of advanced science. However, there should be more emphasis on explaining that extra layer of what is so incredible about these processes, and stray away from defining them so hard, we become completely unenthralled. Think about the guy who sequenced the genome and has allowed blood evidence and dna data into our lives. That is magic man, and we push the function definitions so hard that the youth no longer sees this, when scientists of the 20th century and before it, our parents and before them for centuries, knows this magic firsthand. It's incredibly exciting to do many of them, I'm sure you can remember the moments of your old relative with a touch screen. Take a step back and think on things for how incredible they are at the first layer at the top. It's not that we dig too deep, it's that we only dig, the magic completely lost in translation and dumbed down around the 98,000th atomic layer we've reached. Continue that, but for god sakes update the messenger because it's all so plain and boring to our future.

[@rodblues6832]

100% agreed. On the other hand, as long as scientists don't explore the "magic" beyond the sum of biological parts, we're in no danger of AI producing that magic.

[@sun.sneezer]

This is unfortunately what happens when the spiritual i.e. big-picture existential element is removed from exploration. Forget the G-word for now, but I think what we are talking about is the delightful MYSTERY at the core of our existence. We are meant to learn, explore, advance, iterate, in all the ways our curious minds, deft hands, and all science and tech allow. But we were also never meant to abandon the higher purposes for doing so, and I do not mean that based on dogma or ideology. Those are childlike tribalistic expressions that are thankfully on the way out. However, they have not been adequately replaced with the simple, profound, holistic and universal notion of Spirit and Is-ness that is the very *source* of the magic you describe. It is the PREDECESSOR to all scientific measurements. It is THAT WHEREBY the mechanisms of physics operate. The foundation invisible to empiricism but woven into the fabric of everything we know. All we can ultimately control as individuals is to quiet the our material and egoic senses for a time, listen to the deepest place within ourselves, gradually evolve via those avenues, and know that this individual change will scale up over time. I doubt AI will replace, augment, or especially help our innate potential for self-reflection and learning, which is perhaps the biggest reason we are on Earth in the first place. Best case, it can help us meditate on radical new levels and advance our collective consciousness. Worst case I'd rather not say. We live in such a momentous time, on the cusp of two great eras. It is frequently demoralizing and frustrating to witness many individuals still stuck in the primitive rigidity of the old world, and similarly frustrating to see those who have fashioned themselves 'far ahead' or 'enlightened' that they neglect the humanity of those still operating on primitive principles, as if it is deeply their fault. Our ape vessels make us hardheaded, lazy, and counterproductively emotional. Our spirit, i.e. the formless awareness and creative imagination we all possess, sets it all free. We are constantly in flux between our two poles, feeling the pull from bth sides. But pressure makes diamonds. In the end it will be okay.

[@Samanthax1221]

I understand your perspective and the sentiment you're expressing. It's true that sometimes in our quest for knowledge and understanding, we can lose sight of the wonder and awe that exists in the world. The intricate workings of the brain, the complexities of wireless communication, and the advancements in scientific discoveries are indeed incredible. While it's important to delve deep into the mechanics and processes behind these phenomena, it's equally crucial to appreciate the magic and mystery that surrounds them. Perhaps we need to strike a balance between in-depth exploration and preserving the sense of wonder that comes with encountering the unknown. As scientists and educators, it's our responsibility to inspire curiosity and captivate the minds of the younger generation. We should strive to convey not only the technical details but also the sense of wonder that accompanies these discoveries. By fostering an appreciation for the magic inherent in science and technology, we can ensure that future generations continue to marvel at the world around them. So, let's continue to pursue knowledge and understanding, but let's also remember to celebrate the extraordinary and preserve the magic that exists within it all.

[@Fuz2yman]

We are not dumbing down something by trying to figure out what it does... It's the opposite. We went from a dumbed down explanation of what it does ( meh it's magic... who knows), to a more detailed, more correct version of what it does. We now know why certain areas in your brain do what they do and we are figuring out more and more every day... The exciting parts come from what we can do with this knowledge. If you cant imagine the amazing things that become possible it's not because something is being dumbed down. It's because you are not trying enough. Imagine if we could understand enough to seamlessly connect the brain to an external agent, use this agent to collect/experience additional things that we could not with our base body... Just a quick example. You are never dumbing things down by trying to understand/explore them, you are expanding your influence and becoming able to affect more and more ( for good or for bad? Let's see :)) If we one day end up understanding everything, we can always simulate new experiences :)

[@Fuz2yman]

@@Samanthax1221 IMO, if we remove the magic and really understand how things work, everything becomes even more amazing... You go from seeing a spider weave a web - well it's just a spider weaving a web - meh, to understanding how extraordinary this web is, that it catches prey but not the spider, how amazing the spider is to be able to spin up such a unique item, how long it took to evolve such a creature and all the steps/failures that led to this particular species of spider :) If you truly try to understand things, everything becomes amazing and you appreciate things more.

[@justmeandmygirlchilling1525]

lex seems more concerned than impressed

[@ghadasmallworld]

Weird encounter.. but I think I saw Dr Neil in Lancaster, Pa today

[@Franglaiso]

"so the most complex question I have ever contemplated, is really complex, it's what I've been thinking about for so long, this question is so hard to answer, which is why I am thinking about it. It's so deep, this question is so so deep, even thinking about it, it makes me wonder if I can even answer this question. So, to summarize, I'm about to tell you what the hardest question ever is" Lex listening to this guy 🗿.

[@gregorypierquet6321]

Lex is really missing it by not talking with guys like John Lennox and Stephen Meyer. He tries to silo off faith and science in a way that results in a sidelining of some very, very good thinking on origins research.

[@frederickarchibaldchumly-w2163]

Stephen meyer is a very interesting guy. His ideas regarding the lack of time for proteins assemble themselves is cool. James tour is if the same mind on this subject. Its hard to disagree with their findings. 🤔

[@daegueric]

​@@frederickarchibaldchumly-w2163 Agreed.

[@RustyShackleford-vh2ys]

John Lennox on Lex or Rogan would be AMAZING

[@markb3786]

@@frederickarchibaldchumly-w2163 He is a hack with a wonderful voice

[@Nobdy782]

Faith and science are two silos that should not be mixed. You don’t need science to believe in something.

[@resn_x]

Who designed life on earth?? That's the deepest question??? Just gonna skip the question "Was life designed?"?

[@apollyon7x]

I think it's implied that after understanding how complex basic life is, much less self aware (human) life, it goes without saying there is a designer.

[@sllimshadyy]

That's literally what the video is discussing

[@ViceZone]

Our bodies are the result of the laws of physics, whether we really ARE our body or something more than that... that's another deep question. Some say we are the consciousness and not our brain, it would be like playing a 3D game in a 4D universe, the consciousness would be the player (us) residing on a higher dimension.

[@ViceZone]

@@DavidJJJ ?

[@FractalPrism.]

@@apollyon7x if you assume there is a designer, then it would "go without saying" there is a designer for each part and each thing, not one central designer eg: there is a weapon smith, an armor smith, and one for clocks, for shoes, for shoe laces, for shoe lace aglets, for the plastic of shoe lace aglets, for the collection of polymers that make up aglets, for the collection of collection tools to gather each polymer, and so on to infinity... there is no central designer, life just evolves much like a river seeks the simplest path towards movement

[@jeffxanders3990]

We're the middle of our own nature, so you could say we did this, but we can only guess what that really means. So the only appropriate prayer is one of gratitude, as in "Thank you, Us."

[@B1971F]

Designer theory = sometimes the thought of escape becomes the cage itself.

[@u.2b215]

"Machine assemblers that are self replicating and placing parts" are automation not life. Calling it life is nothing more than a way for vain humans to see them self as something they are not. That it might resemble life to your eyes doesn't mean it is life any more than that a cartoon isn't life no matter how much it moves you.

[@efraguerrero]

You could not be more wrong.

[@mustafcode]

@@efraguerrero how so?

[@richycrane2971]

Brilliantly put 😊

[@galacticinfochine4580]

Source: trust me bro 🙉

[@motivatedbyaction3299]

did you even listen to the conversation? You are so wrong

[@chriskindler7625]

What determines what's effective?

[@jehjeh37111]

It’s so fascinating to watch this extremely educated and intelligent man talk about life, DNA, and the complexity of life, without touching the third rail of intelligent design.

[@daegueric]

Who designed

[@CasualCreed]

If we can manage to create ai it suddenly becomes less unreal that that ai could create something like us on a different planet

[@Mynameisbraulio]

What if already did, and now we are creating the next ai that will eventually go to another planet and this is just the full circle?

[@CasualCreed]

@@Mynameisbraulio yep. A biological origin somewhere first, but we don’t have to be it. The universe is old. Origin could be long gone, but their AI could live trough us. This example is more theoretical, but we are on track to create something that could do it.

[@cemski]

or actually us

[@Nola50]

We've already created AI lol

[@mitchelllukovsky6197]

That would make us the artificial intelligence

[@user-gg3nm4xm6r]

what is the difference betwren "WHAT" and "WHO" ? Why use the latter for such a question?

[@Bunnywabbit-pp7wb]

Who's on first base?

[@PD55_]

Are "what/it" the correct pronouns?

[@groundrunner752]

Asking "Who" instead of "what" or "how" is just starting off with begging the question

[@syd411]

It's molecular aversion to pain/cellular death, logged in the genome for future modifications in subsequent generations, and extrapolated to the whole system as "designed"

[@markportnoy6290]

So randomness means death, but random mutations produced these same genes.

[@chickensoup2314]

I did not get Dr.’s subject in this clip, is he trying to explain how(or who) life is designed on earth or he is explaining how we can be inspired by nature to design smart AI manufacturing.

[@sisu_7378]

I couldn’t have said it better. Literally.

[@Freedom_is_essential1]

In hearing this talk, I have a question for the audience: Do you think that there is a possibility that consciousness enters into “afterlife” and exists after we die?

[@SmConnally1984]

I like to hope so.

[@Headknocks]

Dont think so

[@hotversus]

Our brain is a quantum computer and all you are asking is if they have wifi.

[@Freedom_is_essential1]

@@hotversus please elaborate

[@Wrld-ls8nn]

​@@Freedom_is_essential1i think he is saying 'obviously yes'

[@fraz2983]

I think Nerds need more natural predators. It's imbalanced today.

[@AWarriorFromGod]

You, my friend, are not happy.

[@AJ-ey4ev]

Agreed, Epic comment

[@giraffelearning]

Brilliant

[@JesusRodriguez-fo2br]

On another note, without question, we are just a body and within it there is a soul, or energy being if that's what you prefer to call it. Our consciousness is made up of our biological brain, but the fact that we are AWARE of our consciousness is the soul. Our awareness of our consciousness IS our soul, if you want evidence, there it is. If you want more, make meditation and lowering your brain frequency a daily practice and you'll see what I mean. If you don't believe, it's because you're not there yet, but something inside you is telling you that it's the truth, but your consciousness is tricky because it's also your ego, and as soon as you have a thought that can interfere with it's grasp on you, it will instantly pull you back to not believe. Just trust, have faith. At the end of your life, we'll all experience this either way, so rejoice .

[@carlospenalver8721]

Would like to ask him if it’s possible that earth was just one of the many planets aliens left building blocks of life on to ferment amongst many other planets and they have yet to return or return again to see how the experiment has progressed.

[@AndrewDavidWright]

That would be a good question. Then my next question would be: where did the aliens come from?

[@aisis5874]

I would ask the same question as Dstannard is asking. Who created the aliens then? For this reason, I believe in the bigger picture, the many-worlds theories and such. But then, again there is no way to test such theories. We don't know the answer. Anything is possible.

[@justincase4812]

I often think that is what the others who have visited did with the stone blocks the pyramid was constructed with.

[@platformrecruiting4486]

Ridley Scott should make a movie about this.

[@anthonyc5039]

Interesting idea, humans have a fused chromosome which is quite rare and interesting in its origin.

[@planetvance]

4:03 I think it is as simple as that with the randomness of the mutations emerging from the impacts of the environment.

[@Jm-wt1fs]

He’s right though about cellular intelligence and these development plans. Like a random mutation in a gene responsible for how the body develops can still be worked around or turned into a benefit because of the way the genes direct morphogenesis. This was a horrible description lol but check out Michael Levin he talks a lot about this. I believe he did an interview w Lex one time too

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

before that even becomes a question we first need to discover life was created at all. before you ask who. you first need to prove there was a who. instead of what

[@ChaunceyVitz]

Hearing Neil Speak is like being a desert tree during a rain shower

[@schmetterling4477]

Why does god make trees thirsty? ;-)

[@visaeryon]

its not just the random mutations that formed us, its random mutations along with natural selection is what us and every life on earth possible, the sheer diversity in life forms alone tells us that the process is useful selection of a bunch in a plethora of random mutations.

[@Summitic]

Laws of physics were there before any life ! Analyse that ! Laws don't happen by chance or selection! There is something much bigger out there!

[@JohnnyArtPavlou]

Yes, of course, these go together. But I was wonder do you have an organism that has a random mutation that turns out to be beneficial for that organism… In terms of looking more attractive, so more members of the opposite sex want to meet with it, or being stronger, somehow, or having some sort of advantage… But now you have this creature that has had some positive mutation. is it likely or possible that it also had a negative mutation at the same time? What’s interesting? Is that in evolution? We talk about forces of nature that favor, certain mutation… And we talk about these forces in the biological responses certain creatures, as if some kind of design is going on. Now that May just be attributable to some flaw in language. Anyway… So you have these leopards… And they’re doing what they’re doing leopard in… Eating whatever leopards eat and one leopard is born that has some markings on its skin that are also present and it’s for and so somehow those markings work as I kind of camouflage and give that individual some slight edge in hunting. But inside of a group of other leopards, who are already hunting and eating and reproducing… How much more likely is it that the slight advantage given to this one individual who also had to not suffer any other negative mutations at the same time… How likely is it that is mutation would also give him an advantage in mating, and would spread through the entire leopard population so now all leopards have spots. Now, of course, maybe those spots were present in some Proto-leopard… Some other kind of cat and they always already had that particular mutation and advantage. My question still remains… How does a mutation in a single creature translate into a mutation in the entire species?

[@visaeryon]

@@JohnnyArtPavlou my best guess is that animals like leopards don't live in a large social structures, where they have a lot of mating options, the largest level of structure they live in is a single family, thus the same mutation that is advantageous for it in the hunting will not be a direct disadvantage in getting choosen for reproduction, another theory is that if a mutation causes the individual to produce more food than its peers tend to have a greater chance of reproduction and get accepted into its peer circle, good looks aren't appreciated over the ability to procure more food.

[@AE0N777]

1 am currently crying so hard right now. This is seriously the most beautiful, well put together story ever. I can't believe how magical it was 6:12. That part truly made me shed a tear. And especially at 2:34 that part was just so truly heart touching words can not describe the series of emotions I felt. I absolutely loved the climax it had insanely excellent detail. Oh and we can't forget the conclusion. The conclusion was the greatest and saddest conclusion I have ever seen better than any of the books I have read. Thank you so much for creating this absolute masterpiece. This is essentially the most important masterpiece of film history. It is a tragedy that this, it can't be called a film, but a transcendent emotional experience, will be inaccessible for most. It beautifully encapsulates the human struggle to its basics; suffering, pleasure, faith, despair. It connects with the characters within the viewers, individuals. It stays vibrant, fresh, and revolutionizes the art of storytelling and filmmaking while making a damn of statement on what it means to be human. Entertaining, gripping, and simply exhilarating. This might be the most impactful piece of art I've come across in my life, and I'm definitely coming back to it in the near future to study it more deeply. this is an absolute masterpiece, I was brought to tears listening to this and seeing the chip go whirly swirly in a circle countless times. it absolutely moved my soul, and I don't think I can ever be the same. this bacon has changed my entire mental state, I am now at peace with who I am and what I will be doing later in my life. i have forgiven all my enemies and now I am a man of a pacifist life. I will move on, gotta move on, as the song says. the chip is so inspirational, it shares it vast wisdom with all of us, and we are all so lucky that it would bestow it's great words with us.

[@MilanVVVVV]

what

[@ElonTrump19]

Lex did not understand or dismissed the main point: the genome does not support random. The ability to change is built into the genome, however limited that is. Side note: a big number does make things complex. Interdependency is what creates complexity and we do not have the capability of re-creating the complex interdependency represented in life and existence. At least the guest asked about how designed us and life itself. Why do things ever make sense and why should anything be anything? Do you understand?

[@CeciliaPeng]

I am all confused, but is it that A is somehow manipulated to become B, and then from B to C? And then A plus B plus C will somehow lead to the creation of a new life form?

[@liquidpza]

This comment section is a disappointing melting pot of dogmatic beliefs and overconfident extrapolation.

[@dsantifit]

Intelligent design must come from a intelligent designer. A table you buy in a box once you receive it from Amazon does not just magically put itself together, a being must put it together. An intelligent being. My humble opinion someone greater then us humans. God made humans… in his image.

[@clorofilaazul]

No, it doesn't. And if you believe that "intelligent design must come from a designer" you are saying that "the designer" cannot exist without a designer. And so on. (You probably won't get this). We have to accept that design is an emergent consequence of evolution in order to explain it's existence. If we search for a "designer" in order to have "design", we won't be able to explain the desinger's design. (yep... you probably won't understand this...)

[@Yourmission9]

Very interesting, like a UFO model I’d seen referencing (potential) aliens building their spacecraft from isotopes. Different but somewhat like a growth model

[@RudolfSchmidt]

At 2:02 he talks about randomness, and how it cannot explain evolution. I always thought it could. Can someone expand on what he meant?

[@TheInterestedObserver]

Who designed life on earth for me feels a little like asking who designed a particular app on the App store. It's so much wider than that, one tiny expression of programming and everything that lead up to being able to design an app, expecting all the answers because you logged into angry birds doesn;t tell the whole story.

[@darrylbossier8971]

Once I astral projected out of my body and looked at myself. I was a body of pure light.

[@stgoddv2525]

can you elaborate on that? what do you mean by pure light?

[@capitalismisdivisionofevil8322]

Incorrect answer. You cannot create yourself nor self project your existence into being. Negative points.

[@darrylbossier8971]

@@stgoddv2525 It was my body, but I could see through it , like a hologram. It was a golden light and it was pulsating Also it was daylight, 1 in the afternoon.

[@Man-u-flex]

@@darrylbossier8971 oh yea? What where you on and where can I get it? Loll😂

[@darrylbossier8971]

@@Man-u-flex Stone cold sober. Its all about meditation. Read Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines.

[@francocastan7451]

OMG Dr Moreau island be lit

[@budoshi1981]

I agree with all that but im wondering , what if I'm going to put my quantum harmonizer in your photonic resonation chamber!" What's your response? wouldn't that cause a parabolic destabilization of the fission singularity?" Humm that makes one ponder isn't.

[@natanaelbalogh1171]

God The Father designed life and created it through His Son and told us that through His Holy Spirit! It is that simple. And the most fascinating thing is that the Son then took human flesh upon Him, incarnated in a world of sin and death to conquer that and took sin upon Him. He bored the iniquity of all who believe in Him after suffering terribly from the people He loved. And all that so you, after you repent and believe The Gospel, spend eternity with an infinitely wise, beautifull and fascinating God, the Creator of math, biology, chemistry and all there is. That is the eternal life. To KNOW the Father and The Son, in whom all the riches of wisdom are hidden, through the work of the Holy Spirit

[@liquidpza]

Ugh.

[@gnomishviking3013]

Evidence and citation that’s not a book written by goat herders worshipping a tribal war god thousands of years ago.

[@blackmoonco]

I love when the God people come out!

[@thisisSPARTAorsprite]

place a piece of metal on the ground, can that piece of metal become a boston dynamics robot? programing and all? what do you really think

[@thatdude3977]

​@@thisisSPARTAorspriteso your saying god came to earth and fuxked monkes and left? Isnt that yall religious peoples explanation 😂

[@letmewatchmyshows]

So good for Search as a human paradigm compared to Feed

[@chase.huetter]

probably the guy whos wise enough to answer that question

[@shanastroskyphazer8172]

The concept of designed life is a massive assumption. But there is definitely still a chance that it's indeed possible. Life simply adapts, those that don't adapt die out. Now is the ability to adapt a design feature? There is always more mystery ! Great talk thanks

[@perc-ai]

no life is most certainly designed you can dismiss evolution altogether since apes and monkeys "failed" to evolve yet humans evolved even though we are certain all human life started on one continent...

[@RD-jc2eu]

@@perc-ai What can be dismissed here is your twisted, faulty, uninformed misunderstanding of the concept of biological evolution.

[@priapulida]

@@perc-ai none of that is true.

[@TheRastacabbage]

Tell me how this adaptation allows a single celled organism to go multicellular. Or an organism grows eyes

[@perc-ai]

@@priapulida all monkeys, apes, humans should have evolved together... in otherwords humans and apes/chimps/monkey shouldnt exist in the same timeframe if evolution was true

[@cannablissdreams]

from JUMP that's a BAD question tho.. it presupposes "design"..

[@cdd33ar]

How do you explain instincts then? Seems like instincts are preprogrammed actions to certain situations/conditions, imo of course.

[@trappedcat3615]

5 fingers, my friend. 5 fingers.

[@michaelr5606]

@@cdd33arYou’re already defending design without proving design. That’s why the OP said it’s a bad question.

[@mikerosoft1009]

Proving Design? The DNA code is literally a designed computer code, to say that occurred through natural selection over billions of years is a bit of a stretch. Do you think a computer could come about after billions of years by itself?

[@cdd33ar]

@@mikerosoft1009 There's so much we don't know, but we can parallel organic life with our own inventions, CPU's. For example, cancer is like a virus to your computer. Cells go haywire and keep production at a rate that creates malignant tumors. We haven't figured that out yet.