The Dehumanization of Evan Peters & The Ethics of True Crime Media

[@missgottalottavit8436]

Evan was on an episode of the office so my partner always calls him “that guy from the office” and I feel like Evan would like that lol 🖤

[@kenzij]

And for me it's his role as a character called "spongebob" in Sleepover that I think of.

[@ocktonmcozgarfleunts2218]

yeah that one cool guy from X-Men days of future past

[@evilolive594]

My name is Luke Cooper. I love cinema.

[@DEdPoolio]

That

[@DEdPoolio]

That's exactly how I describe that guy who played as Jim from the office.

[@trinaq]

Sometimes, it's easy to excuse the actions of a cold blooded killer if they're portrayed by a charismatic, conventionally handsome actor. Penn Badgley apparently resented his character Joe on "You" after a while, pointing out that if Joe wasn't so charming, nobody would be condoning his actions.

[@LoneWulf278]

I think this is a special case because Jeffrey Dahmer *was* in fact very conventionally attractive. That kind of bias and privilege (“pretty privilege”) was actually very influential on his ability to manipulate authority figures for so long and attract the people that he wanted, despite his strange behavior. Even his own lawyers and psychiatrists would describe his looks in their interviews and books without being asked about it. 🤦‍♀️ So yeah. His physical beauty mattered quite a bit to people. They thought he was unique because, in their mind, you have to look bad/crazy in order to do bad/crazy things. I think that kinda bias in our society could only be pointed out and criticized if the actor looked like Jeffrey Dahmer.

[@grazisamor1991]

The real Dahmer was more handsome than Evan sometimes. I think people are not ready to understand that evil has no face. This is why they get surprised

[@tamialeslie7187]

He was not attractive

[@esmeraldagreengate4354]

Got Penn Badgley confused with Penn Jillette for a second. Excuse me it's very early

[@amemelia]

@velvetvon exactly, there are murderers known for luring victims based on their looks, hence dahmer and (I forgot the other famous one) but that's why they get people like Evan and zac efron to play them because it was a way of them luring people in. Fun, charismatic, into similar kinks, on paper it sounds great

[@fantasticesther]

You can see that Evan is incredibly passionate about acting and he portrays his roles incredibly well but unfortunately he’s been type cast, he’s mostly stuck in darker genres (horror, thriller, crime drama type genres) you can see in the occasional chances he escapes that world he has great enjoyment doing lighter roles. I just wanna see even in like some sitcom or something, he’d be so good at it!

[@bsteph5019]

Which is so weird to me because he gives off goofy vibes too! I hope he gets the comedy role he's looking for in the future.

[@ns1208]

He isn't typecast.he is just extremely good at this.Admit or not good guy roles aren't often interstingly written.If you are good at somethinv you would go for the hardest challenge.

[@mybuffysummers]

We need a sleepover reboot that prominently features his character

[@SoulTalesAC]

He was in Wandavision which was a sitcom but he had a pretty short role.

[@janedalyn6163]

He’s the best Quicksilver in my opinion and that’s why I wanna see him in X-Men by MCU.

[@valunchipunchi]

i think it’s funny how he mentioned that ryan murphy “had one rule” filimg dahmer and that was not to romanticize him, yet they have literal shots of his sweaty abs while he’s working out and they really try to excuse or at least justify his actions with his parents terrible relationship, when in fact real life dahmer said that it was bad but he didn’t think he had such a terrible childhood anyway, evan is an amazing actor with an incredible potential for all sorts of roles, which i’d love to see more of

[@alejandromolinac]

Don't get me stated on the perfect hair part and the salon blonde hair dye.... The short shorts, the hot hitchhiker.... who in real life was a skinny dorky looking guy..... This whole show feels like an edgy YA Novel adaptation....

[@catherine.marial]

Some non-dark performances from Evan Peters that I recommend: Quicksilver in the X-Men movies, Colin Zabel in the limited series Mare of Easttown, Luke in episode 1 season 7 of The Office, and Russell in Sleepover (that movie is a banger)

[@freakytostadacartoon]

You mean Spongebob

[@murdersquirrels]

also Todd in the first kickass movie, and that one guy in Wandavision who I forget the name of

[@creed8712]

Don’t forget John Penis from Wanda vision

[@TheElectricitychick]

spongebob! that's who he'll always be in my brain lol

[@ive-3692]

Yess I’ve seen all those expect the last one

[@grazisamor1991]

He is predicted to get some awards for Dahmer . His mental health suffered a lot but as an actor this character gave him more recognition than his previous projects. It is the price he is willing to pay

[@themindofxx9678]

What?

[@rexaquaticis865]

And then people wonder why actors end up abusing substances and/or trying to kill themselves. Good acting isn't enough, unless you nearly kill yourself in the process.

[@els2231]

@Halloween All Year Round Agreed. Going into dark places for long periods of time can’t be healthy, i just hope he has proper support from the people around him.

[@alejandromolinac]

It's called adult pretending.... And that's just so they can make headlines.

[@alim.9801]

@@alejandromolinac you don't seem to have much respect for the craft of acting.

[@lightbluechucks]

My fave role of his was Kit in AHS: Asylum. He wasnt playing a psycho and he was really charming. I’d love to see him im a rom-com

[@andrikfelix6507]

Kit and Kyle are really lovely

[@alim.9801]

@@andrikfelix6507 Jimmy as well!

[@caseymckenna7111]

Ryan Murphy is the real villain in all of this, honestly.

[@corrinacampbell2370]

Y E S.

[@makayla1374]

I was thinking the same thing honestly

[@alim.9801]

I can't fcking believe he gave Tate a redemption arc. The amount of people that felt VINDICATED BY THAT 😮‍💨

[@caseymckenna7111]

@@alim.9801 it’s so gross.

[@Colé.Blu-Ray.Edition]

@@corrinacampbell2370when I clicked translate to English it said forks😂

[@SuperSara924]

The thing is Evan Peters is a versatile actor. He does great in more dramatic and/or dark roles but also comedic parts from Xmen to even his earlier days in movies like Kickass and Sleepover. He has good comedic timing and presentation. It’s a shame he for lack of a better word typecasted by Ryan Murphy. I hope he gets to do more lighthearted roles like he wishes to

[@magita1991]

I feel like he must have been overjoyed to be in Wandavision . After all this dark stuff

[@lilyderooij]

I feel so bad for him. I'll write a comedy just for him. No killing, no yelling. It can even be a romantic comedy.

[@wurmhole]

yes please

[@sarahthomas8670]

So like x men?

[@lilyderooij]

I don't know anything about x men. @@sarahthomas8670

[@samsong24]

Ryan Murphy is interested in your script.

[@ellielouise9625]

after him in arianas music video i need a romcom from him so bad

[@rzetina10]

Serial killers shouldn’t get shows or recognition like this period.

[@alim.9801]

We need to be putting that energy into telling the stories of the victims, not the killers

[@Isabelleagirlwhoeatswalls]

We should, without romanticizing

[@cashthecurator666]

I agree. It’s okay to want to learn more about these cases, but all of these stupid dramatized movies and shows just come across as exploitative to me.

[@rannricki]

Working with college students for years, it is deeply concerning every time one of these serials comes out. Bundy now Dahmer - “He’s actually really charming” “He was kind of cute” because of the actor and missing that these are portrayals of real people who did real atrocities. I don’t know how to “fix” this reaction and educators can do some follow up conversations but it’s clear that the message is skewed by a portion of the younger audience. It’s a tenuous tug-of-war between entertainment and information and I hope the blame is not pinned on the actors.

[@esmeraldagreengate4354]

Maybe show them an actual picture of the killer and some pictures of the victims and make it real. I find that the killers are not as attractive IRL as they portray them and even then, to me anyway, it's not that they are attractive just that they look more normal than you would think of a monster.

[@clara-nt9rx]

Some terrible people are charming and attractive. You cant expect real life to be like cartoons.

[@channty5572]

i hate hearing ppl call him “that guy from dahmer” or whatever, it really breaks my heart to hear ppl just recognize him for something like that instead of his better roles 💔

[@MeganMarieMasters]

Personally Ik him from criminal mind and never back down & X-men but why does it break your heart?😂 I think people are being way too sensitive abt this, it’s his role, he just delivered it really well and obviously the whole world isn’t gonna know who he is…so why get bothered when people say “that guy from dahmer” yeah it’s kinda odd that they don’t know his name but there’s nothing wrong with them knowing him from dahmer lol

[@ashleymitchell8344]

i had to quit watching AHS after Cult because he did such a terrifying job, but i felt it demanded so much of him i was like this cannot be ethical. it completely changed my mind on how much we praise some roles when really we're praising people to become something horrific

[@iRLGiRL]

this 👆👆👆👆👆

[@alim.9801]

He did so well playing Kai as an absolute monster in that season its hard to look at him the same way sometimes. He should have won some awards for that performance. Also I swear to you, I saw a fan edit of Kai the other day- KAI- where they REFERRED TO HIM AS "BAE". KAI.

[@pixeldust552]

Its art & all art is meant to make you feel something & be shocking and push the boundaries. I also found kai terrifying but it makes you really think about our society if we only saw characters who were living simple happy lives we wouldnt really be prepared to deal with or question the reality we live in . But I agree I needed something to cleanse my Evan Peters palette after this one - i usually find him likable even in dark roles but i couldnt in this one- but kudos for him for playing these characters

[@ashleymitchell8344]

@@pixeldust552 it is art! and art is allowed to push boundaries- i’m not saying it’s not. but art isn’t allowed to push boundaries without opening itself up for criticism; we reserve the right to find moral or immoral attachements in the art we consume, and it’s alright to critique art with an understanding of social context, and with empathy for the people involved in its creation. I’m not saying it should never have been made, I’m saying maybe we should be more careful at praising young white men for losing themselves to take on roles that are horrific and evil.

[@ivy3723]

If I were in the acting industry, I’d probably go for roles as dark and complex as Evan does, purely because that’s what I’m interested in but obviously it would take a toll on mental health. It might be difficult for teenagers to separate him from his characters but as an adult, I absolutely love his work.

[@Metron3]

I tried in college and it was wayyy too much. I studied acting for a while before Covid hit and my fav pieces to do were the most fucked up psychologically traumatizing pieces. All of with character work I did really did a number on my mental health while I was doing it, especially because of how in depth I was getting. I had acted for years before college and I truly believe I never “acted” correctly until my studies and it kinda killed my love for the craft unfortunately. I also think my mans Even might need some serious therapy from the work he has done Lolol.

[@lmm8960]

Well you can thank the man who pushed method acting. There is no reason to connect that much to where it messes you up. If you can’t separate yourself then you have no business playing the role.

[@bellaloves2815]

I feel people forget how genuinely funny Evan Peters is, his casting as quick silver, being in the office, kick ass and Phil of the future show how capable he is as an actor because it is truly hard to play both comedic and dramatic/horror roles as well as he does. So many dramatic actors try to play funny roles and it falls flat and vice versa, but Evan Peters does both seamlessly. And yet he is being fetishized as this horror trope character and being type casted for that role. I wish Hollywood would see how much he is capable of and diversify his role especially because he has said he stopped doing a lot of work for a period of time because he couldn’t handle taking on another dark and twisted character because it caused a lot of mental health problems for him. Playing those characters over and over again without a break can lead to a lot of stress, people have to take breaks from crime and horror movies/shows all the time and watch something more light, imagine taking that home with you and it being your full time job. Then you see Evan’s interviews and see how awkward, sweet and funny he really is. He is completely separate from his characters and yet people forget that is the grossest way, dehumanizing and fetishizing his physical being and the terrible characters he portrays onscreen. He is a person and his characters are not him. He is handsome but his physical appearance doesn’t excuse his characters behaviour and antics, and people need to realize how dangerous this mindset really is

[@makayla1374]

Well spoken!! 🙌🏾

[@Naveen-tx8be]

Just wanted to point out that unfortunately, shows like dateline, 48 hrs, 60 minutes etc have been criticized by various families throughout the cases they’ve covered in the past, to sensationalize/tweak aspects of their story- whether it be the editing, omitting key details and context, the questions asked, etc to bring in views and ratings. My telltale sign that someone is being exploitative is the use of sensationalist language, inserting themselves into the narrative of the case in order to flesh out the ‘story’, the lack of emphasis on the victims and how their lives were affected, etc. If the video reads like a storytime KZbin video circa 2017-18, or like a gossip magazine at the grocery store checkout, it’s immediately a red flag 🚩

[@bsteph5019]

THANK YOU!

[@alim.9801]

Dateline, ID specials, Oxygen specials...they all do the most with their editing and framing to make horrible stories even more horrible. The sensationalism is gross, especially since it almost always comes with complete disregard for the victims of these atrocities and their families. Their names are barely even mentioned in some of those specials.

[@athenas5959]

i absolutely love evan peters so much, he’s been one of my favorite actors for years now and he deserves so much better

[@jax_firestorm9689]

I was a teenager when X-Men: Days of Future Past came out, and I IMMEDIATELY had a crush on Quicksilver. Then, he stole the show again two years later, and I decided “damn this actor’s super charming and hot imma see what else he’s been in” and I discovered how much people were thirsting over him as Tate Langdon. I still haven’t seen much of AHS, but I still don’t get how people are turned on by a mass murderer.

[@candycottonwithapple]

His best role is quicksilver, hands down, i also think is the one role he's enjoyed playing.

[@corrinacampbell2370]

In the interviews I saw with him, he really seemed to love being in Mare of Easttown. He even won an Emmy for his wonderful, nuanced and delightfully sweet performance. IMO, Ryan Murphy is the problem and deserving of criticism. Blaming actors for taking work is just silly in an industry so competitive. They never have control over the final product so I’m not sure I believe he’s really being dragged. I know Dahmer is, for good reasons, but I’ve seen only praise for Evan Peters. I think this is just the beginning of a long career for him. He just needs to understand he can now survive without Ryan Murphy. (Sorry for the rant- not trying to disagree! Going to check out Quicksilver now…)

[@4leftclovers]

Evan Peters NEEDS to be in a romcom . he's going to be so great at it plus I'm sure he would also enjoy that a lot.

[@heiwani_]

People have died. It’s not just acting…the psychological impact is real

[@mexiaznann]

If he isn’t getting comedy roles with Ryan Murphy - why can’t he pursue those roles elsewhere? Or not work on the Murphy projects? I understand they’re friends but putting all the blame on Murphy makes it seem like Evan has no agency in his own career.

[@redbluebae4397]

I completely agree with you. I also have no desire to watch this. Evan Peters is an attractive guy to me but he is not blameless in this, to choose such an exploitative project just as Ana de Armas did for Blonde. I definitely don’t buy these actors as innocent

[@ns1208]

Oh! The show is going to suffer!! Please watch!

[@Error-qt4lu]

Dude he is an actor and roles like these are actually big for actors in terms of getting recognised etc etc. it’s controversial role but end of the day he is getting recognised everywhere , only downfall is that now everyone just views him as the guy who played dahmer and not any of the other roles.

[@lesliexhale]

@@Error-qt4luI don’t think ‘ being an actor ‘ absolves anyone from the choices made when it comes to these roles. Everyone had choices to make when it came to this series.

[@SanDesigns]

Although I think his decision to take this role was questionable, Evan has always seemed like a very down to earth, quirky and kind person. I feel bad that half the internet hate him rn.

[@_gho0sty_]

Evan gets the hate ? For real though ? For what and that’s freakin sad.. Meanwhile Jeff gets more simps what the heck..🙃

[@DT-ji7iu]

I get the hate he's receiving isn't right. Yet also being in the real world I understand we all as humans make choices and it was a choice for him to take that role so of course there would be consequences (which every living adult should know about) for taking that role especially when a victim and some of the victims families are still living. I won't even get on the topic of the certain type of people that glamorize him cause that would be too much for KZbin to handle (meaning Jeffery Dahmer not Evan Peters).

[@mariahelganova2927]

He get no hate he has so many fans I know him as a actor for 10 years when he played in ahs first season he always played dark roles he is a great actor

[@ns1208]

I don't think he is getting any hate..Even the people who doesn't like the series praised his acting.He is the best thing abt the show

[@greynotchristian]

it is absolutely right what do you mean :D

[@grazisamor1991]

The series got more positive responses than backlash tbh. The backlash incresed it popularity and Evan was very praised by his acting.

[@amemelia]

I haven't seen hate for Evan personally. The hate is for the production and people who didn't go about it right, not the actor. If anything people are congratulating him on his work and previous work, the complaints are about the production company not recognising victims

[@rolaskatox2828]

don’t agree that the convo around AHS season one would be different had it came out in 2022. i mean, look at how people ate up jeffrey dahmer’s documentary

[@ns1208]

I don't know why Rayn Murphy gives me the creeps..He put way too much nude scenes of Evan in Dahmer given the subject matter. I hope Evan realizes he is much more bigger than just Rayn Murphy. He needs to get away from him..Evan took the series on whole another level by his performance.

[@АннаТА-е6й]

Oh yes, because of many scenes, including nudity, I had to turn away from the screen

[@cosmicgalaxystudio1539]

Ryan always loves his nudity. I don't get why.

[@ns1208]

@@cosmicgalaxystudio1539 i mean Evan is beautiful but it seems like Ryan gets off on it.

[@cashthecurator666]

@@ns1208 Ryan always gave me the creeps because of his obvious serial killer fetish, but this makes me wonder if he’s just a pervert in general.

[@JetteK-zd1cx]

I really feel bad for Evan. I think some people forget that actors are real people and not just living props, especially the actors that aren’t as famous, but still really talented

[@alyx6828]

I watched some episodes of the Dahmer show and I really didn't like the part where one of the victims family members was literally complaining about people profiting off of the murders by making comics and other media, it was just so unsettling in a way. It was so strange to me that they acknowledged the morals of doing something like that, yet they did it anyway.

[@bsteph5019]

I love Evan, not only because he's hot (sorry but he was hot af as Tate Langton!), but because he is SEEMINGLY normal in his real life. Granted, none of us really know what he's like behind closed doors, but seeing his beginning roles in Phil of the Future and Sleepover give me a feeling that he's lowkey just a normal guy who got bit by the acting bug. He's said in interviews that he'd like to play more lighthearted, comedic roles in the future. I hope he gets that chance.

[@alim.9801]

Tate killed a ton of people and raped somebody dude, how can you still find him hot??

[@Vampress09]

Unless he is contract-bound, I think Evan just needs to stop working with Murphy altogether and go find himself some comedy projects. I love to watch him and I'd love it if I can see him someplace not gory and disturbing. P.S. i also didn't watch Dahmer for ethical reasons.

[@magita1991]

I do wonder if Evan signed a contract with Netflix and Ryan

[@harrietprior9525]

I dont know when audiences started getting so wrapped up in the moral quandaries of dramatised accounts of real life events. I think the Dahmer series focused a lot on the victims and tried to give some insight on what could lead someone to become a serial killer (the psychology after all is often what interests people most about true crime). It’s starting to get on my nerves the chastisation of people if they either want to watch true crime or artistically tell stories that are in the public domain (and often happened DECADES ago). I didnt even know half of the victims names until i watched the Dahmer series, and now i know a lot more about them as HUMANS not just one of his numbers. I also have a brain that realises that it isn’t a documentary so am not using a dramatised series as a reference to real life events. I also thought Evan Peters was attractive - no that doesn’t mean I fancy Jeffrey Dahmer or am fangirling over a serial killer. I really wish people would stop moralising every single thing, entertainment is entertainment and should make you feel things, be curious, learn etc. not all of us want to sit around watching Telletubbies and stories where every character is lovely and “unproblematic”. We watch films about wars, rape, murder, we want to confront our fears and empathise with the experiences of others - as long as it’s not gratuitous i don’t see what the big issue is.

[@crystolas.]

THANK YOU!!🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@simplytrinabean]

This all of this!!

[@Prosseen]

Oh man thank you for this.. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one thinking this way. I think making true crime series or reenactments is ethical if the depiction comes from good intentions. I would question a show if the creators went out of their way to make someone (especially a victim) look bad or ill represented, but creating reenactments from a place of respect and compassion is in my opinion morally justified.

[@paigeporter2289]

Thank you for this! So glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. You literally said every single thing i've been thinking since the show came out. I loved the show I think it was done very well and in a respectful manor, I love learning about true crime cases because it's what I'm interested in, and I love Evan as an actor and as a person. I wish people would stop hating on him simply because he played the role of Dahmer in a show. People are so sensitive. Like you said, not everybody only wants to watch stuff that's all sunshine and rainbows all the time. I wish more people understood that some people like watching dark stuff but it doesn't mean we don't feel terrible and upset for the victims and their families either. So I wholeheartedly agree with you and I wish more people had this mindset

[@YoHoHoAndCake]

I'm not against it either but I do think if the immediate families of the victims or people who were directly involved are still around their wishes should be prioritized. If they were to be against the reenactment of their tragedy and monetization of it, it should be respected, at least in their lifetime. There's plenty of crime stories to tell, unfortunately, so leaving some alone wouldn't be a problem if someone were so inclined to produce that kind of thing.

[@helleray4685]

I started watching dahmer and stopped after the first episode. I love true crime documentaries but the fiction/non-fiction of this didn’t sit right. I feel sorry for the victims families.

[@cosmicgalaxystudio1539]

Same. I watch documentaries about true crime to and even watch true crime youtubers but couldn't go pass ep3. It's too gruesome & sad especially to the victims.

[@jdinsomniac7504]

@@cosmicgalaxystudio1539 you don’t like true crime then..this is very tame to things i’ve read

[@cosmicgalaxystudio1539]

@@jdinsomniac7504 oh no I do like true crime. I watch True crime videos or KZbinrs all the time.. Maybe I just don't feel like watching it right now. I watched the assassination of Gianne Versace tho, the killer had less victims compared to Dahmer even that took me time to finish it, maybe I will finish it in time. Plus doesn't mean I don't like some parts doesn't mean I don't like true crime..I know what I want. And I'm a fan of the actor who played Dahmer from American horror story. Liking true crime doesn't mean in I have to watch every content about it, plus I read & watch too many content on Dahmer already. Evan Peters really playing his character well that really creeped me out.

[@Key_1111]

Jennifer Lawrence said filming the movie Mother! psychology affected her, so it definitely affects actors and actresses.

[@alejandromolinac]

Or it's just fashionable to say you are "traumatized"..... Jesus... And i grew up during the Cold War..... Sigh....

[@Key_1111]

@@alejandromolinac Good for you. It doesn't negate other people's experiences.

[@changaylix8900]

Hollywood please give Evan healthier characters, I'm tired of self-doubting just because I find a man attractive but it happens that this same man only interprets mad dudes onscreen. Evan's sweet and pretty and he deserves the world, especially after all he's been through in his private life (if you know, you know).

[@laurendukes3099]

I won't watch Dahmer. I don't watch AHS, but I'm aware. I do think Evan is a nice man taking on very dark roles & that has a negative effect on one's psyche & spirit. Hope he's ok

[@ohhnobb]

i will always remember him as xmen quicksilver, son of magneto

[@ladygrey4113]

8:58 yes! I’m so annoyed so many “true crime is always good” folks miss that journalists have standards they have to follow.

[@georgebay6644]

The issue is he is a generally attractive person and as u said people have fictional fantasies since ahs s1, so they have had this celebrity crush for over a decade. So even when there is a serious, morbid tone to a netflix series a lots of people don't care, and they be like "oi oi evan got his ass out again!" 🤣 great video though defo worth a discussion 👌

[@alejandromolinac]

@@guineapigtalks Sugar.... this show goes out of his way to "photograph" the dude in the best angles and lighting.... Of course you know a rapist.... It's called appeal to authority fallacy....

[@bigchez2855]

Poor Ralph Bohner

[@sourpatchkid394]

John Wayne Gacy didn’t kill people dressed as a clown. Clowns have been scary without gacy. “It” was written before John Wayne Gacy

[@probs.aslepp]

Keep in mind what happened to Heath Ledger. Portraying such a dark and morbid character pushed him over the edge. Becoming that character forces whoever is playing them to be in a dark place, and stay there for a long period of time. While i cant 100% say this is what happened to Heath Ledger, nor can i definitively say this is where Evan Peters is headed. As someone who has watched Dahmer, i was extremely uncomfortable. That halloween, many kids from my school dressed up as Dahmer. I feel like the series itself is problematic. I felt like it was leaning into feeling bad for Dahmer, and what added to that was how he was played by Evan Peters. I had to atop watching it multiple times because I was so uncomfortable watching and sinking to that dark place. I can only imagine how Evan felt becoming Dahmer in the months of filming the series. Im glad Evan decided to take a mental health break. ive been to that dark place and it’s terrifying. While AHS is one of my favorite shows, and as much as id be sad to see him leave again, I hope he can leave the series all together and find a role much more suited for his goofy personality. I really hope he can heal.

[@jennysomething3666]

I feel like people kind of forgetting Evan peters is a 30+ year old man and he knows what he is doing,no one is forcing him to play those roles, the recent "poor Evan playing all those hard roles" is naive. he went in there willingly,he could have said no and should have said no to that Dahmer show,it's not like he is starving on the street,he is rich. I love him i really do i loved him since I was like 14 but come on guys he is building a bank on thirsty girls like us .

[@Wintera2002a]

I get where your coming from but I don’t think he’s doing it on purpose. He probably chose to do the Dahmer project because the story in itself is interesting and there are things that definitely need to be addressed that still happen to this day. I don’t think we wants to do these types of roles because he knows he’ll get little fan girlies. I also doubt he got casted because he’s hot, he’s a great actor and he’s good at playing these types of roles.

[@atothetaco]

I was really disappointed when his role as Quicksilver got axed, he was really funny in those movies and easily became one of the top 5 actors in the X-Men franchise. So when Disney consumed Fox they didn't really care about anything but Deadpool and his fan favorite role got reduced to a boner joke

[@_jc333]

yall be like “GIVE EVAN A BREAK” as if he isn’t auditioning/seeking these roles lmfao

[@kaylasays]

Not at all what I meant and I actually agree with you, “give him a break” is in reference to the fact that he wants to do comedy and like, is mentally exhausted playing evil characters. I point out toward the end that he should have said no to Dahmer.

[@_jc333]

@@kaylasays gotcha, as long as he’s taking care of himself mentally.

[@motherstands4comfort]

@@vuzemy exactly what i was about to say!! im sure he can decline roles but he’s probably being typecast because he does these roles so well. like i doubt he even gets the opportunity to play lighter roles very often. ryan murphy won’t let this man go😭😭 im pretty sure there was an interview where he stated that starring in so many horror shows and movies made him so unwell and he wanted to do more comedic roles but he’s so deeply typecast now he can’t break out of it, and he said that he feels like he owes something to ryan and finds it hard to say no to him. its pretty concerning imo.

[@TothanCrawk]

Is he seeking these rolls though, or is Ryan Murphy pressuring to take them?

[@_jc333]

@@TothanCrawk idk ask them

[@UdoADHD]

@12:55 they aren’t overlooking the bad parts of the character - the bad parts of the character is part of their fantasy

[@guanimos1638]

Not even zach efron got backlash as ted bundy but ppl wanna complain about this dahmer series. Evan Peters is a great actor, he played his role respectfully! Give him a comedy or romance movie for once, these dark roles are taking a toll on his mental health.

[@XxMusicxKelseyxX]

I mean a simple google search would show that your first statement is objectively untrue regardless of what might how shown up in your various news feeds at the time.

[@idk_why_cant_i_just_be_idk]

zac efron didn't act out the murders, dahmer was literally treated like a horror series - it was even tagged as such. both are wrong, but let's not pretend one isn't worse than the other. i haven't really been pointing fingers at evan peters at any point during all of this, but it IS mad disrespectful to make a show on dahmer. the victims' families were traumatized all over again, dahmer's father even spoke out against it, all bc hollywood wanted to make a profit of someone else's tragedy.

[@ns1208]

@@idk_why_cant_i_just_be_idk that's what art do?? Lol! Get off your high wagon.creators didn't beg anyone to watch this,didn't have any promotions.The series is huge bcz of Evan's incredible performance..the families mostly don't care anymore.that's why they never responded or haven't said anything.Only rita isbel has problems bcz of Her portrayal.

[@Aster_Risk]

@@ns1208 Are you 12? I refuse to believe an adult with a shred of empathy for murder victims would make a comment even remotely similar to yours.

[@jennysomething3666]

That's not true ,a lot of people were angry and against Zack Efron playing Bundy ,it's all over Twitter

[@wywrd_mtnt]

I need the mcu to bring him back as quicksilver so he never has to take any role like this again

[@BatelSkater]

I'm not sure which age ground this upload is for, but he is a Fantastic Actor. Shocks me every time. He can be who ever you tell him to be. Incredible Talented Man. I Appreciate him being part of our life 100%

[@caminandoyflotando]

Kayla thank-you so much for shouting out Kendall Rae as one of the least/non problematic true crime KZbinrs for the medium. In the early days of Truecrime she was one of the first I started watching and have stuck with to this day because her content has evolved to include lesser known cases, some of which involving indigenous, trans, unsolved cases that mainstream reporting media simply does not bring attention to. She also makes it a point to collaborate with family’s of victims and state s at the beginning of her videos to exercise kindness when leaving a comment as the family usually do read the comment section.

[@Aster_Risk]

People need to stop praising her. Take 5 minutes to research and you'll see that she isn't all that great.

[@emilyday9629]

And why is that?

[@gothgirlfriend713]

The fact that Ryan Murphy went through with the show even after none of families approved is so cruel. Great video btw, I was having a bad metal health day today and this really helped take my mind off things 😊 I also appreciate that you included that KZbinr who has a more ethical approach to true crime.

[@flaviacristina2774]

People complain about how pretty actors should not play characters that are serial killers but we are talking about hollywood, the place where being pretty it's basicslly a must, we will only see social acceptable beauty in hollywood. If you want to complain, complain about the system, the actor has nothing to do with it

[@tereza1959]

I've been a fan of Evan Peters since the first season of AHS, I watched a few episodes of the Dahmer Netflix series just because I like Evan Peters and his acting skills, but I hate the real Jeffrey Dahmer and I couldn't keep watching the series because i don't wanna suport the explotation of the suffering of victims

[@zowieschickram5605]

that’s kinda where i am, i wanna watch bc i love evan peters & im fascinated to see how he could portray somebody like dahmer knowing how good evan is at these type of roles. I also don’t wanna be complicit in the exploitation of the victims. i haven’t seen any of it yet bc i just can’t decide

[@AdorableOracle]

That is interesting when you said the most ethical form of True Crime reporting is Journalism. After Columbine and the way it was covered, the way it was glamorized and so much misinformation was published in articles and books (Columbine by Dave Cullen has a massive number of inaccuracies) there has been a push by many people who have been affected by the 24/7 news cycle to be far more ethical.

[@ms_cartographer]

It's nice to see someone see how fucked up it is how Hollywood and fans treat him. I loved him as Quicksilver in the X-Men the best. He seemed happier in that role.

[@vikusfikus4390]

He is not stupid and he knew what he was signing for. You cannot simply agree to play a real serial killer with real victims who had families and get all praise. People are traumatized by losing their loved ones to other deranged people. They see the embodiment of their pain and resentment and they just went pent-up frustration where they can. Not everybody gets a chance to avenge their loved ones. I feel that way and I do that. Not to Evan Peters, but yeah. Same stuff

[@sewerslidepark6656]

I’m gonna be honest, I understand your statement but I think selfishly I still disagree with the true crime thing, but when you said that I wouldn’t be watching no Elliot Rogers or Nikolas Cruz series. You are absolutely right

[@austensg9596]

In 2016, my mom got a shirt for me that said “normal people scare me.” We didn’t know it was tied to this…sh!t

[@reptile_barbie]

I love Tate he was the most interesting character in season 1 of AHS #sorrynotsorry Was he a villain? Yes. Did he actually love Violet? Yes. I love the grey area. Typical millennial.

[@halihal7699]

I think the Batman villain thing is because heath ledger died during the filming of the dark knight. It was an accident overdose trying to get sleep because he was struggling with the role.

[@mattbryant8656]

That clip from Rick and Marty took me out 😆 🤣

[@vonne2218]

His (Sony/Xmen) Quicksilver wasn't killed off though if I'm not mistaken. He was in Wanda Vision yes, but he wasn't actually QS.

[@songparade7221]

yeah no, he wasn't. his quicksilver is very much alive in the prequel movies. it was aaron taylor-johnson's quicksilver in the mcu.

[@aditisk99]

@@songparade7221 Wasn't he killed in dark phoenix??

[@cheryll5383]

This actually makes me really happy that I first knew Evan from his role as Quicksilver and became a fan

[@Fanpirecullenists]

I know him originally from this movie Sleepover with Alexa Vega and I’ve still never been able to change that

[@reyemilio00]

Love your videos. You always have insightful takes on the subjects you tackle.

[@Ashley-qw2ko]

I always remember Evan as Seth Wosmer on Phil of the Future (a 00's Disney Channel Show). 😄

[@raylynne5280]

Honestly I love Evan Peters as an actor and have felt so bad for him for a long time now. He's phenomenal so he keeps getting these roles where he has to act his butt off but it seems like his soul is just being chipped away because of it, he has struggled so much because he's trying to get into certain characters heads, he has talked about it and other actors have opened up about their experiences playing similarly dark characters and it's just so sad!

[@CrumbisBumbis]

If people need a sassy little lonesome meow meow with an accent who also eats people to make fan edits about.. HA👏NNI👏BAL👏 EXISTS👏👏👏

[@poeticxdrama]

I really enjoy Evan as an actor, and it's so sad to see him typecast like this. I'm from Milwaukee, just 32 years old, but Dahmer is still a very sore subject here. This show upset a lot people. My parents grew up in Milwaukee and West Allis, where I now live, during his spree, and it's nothing but an unpleasant memory for everyone. Gruesome. Yeah... Fuck Ryan Murphy honestly. I try to love AHS, but it's hard. Evan Peters needs a fluffy role, because this can't be healthy.

[@hal8361]

Evan Peters in the movie sleepover was so iconic 😭 like I grew up watching that movie with my older sister and watched a good bit of AHS when it first came out and told me I should watch bc of Emma Roberts and Evan Peters and it was not my Sleepover’s Evan Peters. Evan Peters deserves his comedy ! Give him a comedy !! 😭 😭

[@Fym_Vladimir]

I fucking hated that movie but I loved russel too.

[@els2231]

I loved him in the office so much. Cast the man in a romcom asap i Beg!

[@IAmJeka]

The true crime you referred to is exactly how I watch true crime and how I like to watch it because it’s actually to help the case. I’ve seen a bit of reenactment but also feel odd about it. I like the family being involved and having a say on the story. Oh I’m also ok if like a person wrote a book and then the book became a movie they had a say in. I can’t think of examples right now but I will edit when I think of some.

[@laylaydoes]

I’ve always liked Evan. As a person and actor and had a celebrity reuse on him, since the beginning. I never say anything about it anymore because I don’t want ppl thinking it’s because I have some killer kink or something. I’ve watched videos of him in interviews and movies and shows in general and just loved him as a person. But I feel if I mention I like him NOW in time ppl will think I’m creepy especially due to the fact that he did Dahmer.

[@lucienesther]

i srsly feel bad for poor evan :( he srsly need to be in more lighter roles, it fits with his goofy personality so it is easier for him, and also he has always wanted fun roles, not dark roles

[@sm00rezd]

Thanks for the Jaleik Rainwalker mention… that case breaks my heart

[@drinkallthesunshine]

If people are demonizing Evan Peters only just now that Dahmer just came out, for playing Dahmer… Jeremy Renner played Dahmer in a movie years ago. Zac Efron played Ted Bundy, John Cusack played Robert Hansen in The Frozen Ground… Nobody went off on these actors for playing these roles. Did Evan Peters play alot of dark roles - yeah… However Evan hasn’t been some huge, famous actor until more recently… As a younger and newer actor, you get a script, and as a young actor, you just take the role. I really don’t see why Peters is being criticized for playing Dahmer… I don’t know why people were against the making of the series. Yes, I understand the victims families feelings on it, however the Dahmer story was already showcased in a movie… So why is nobody talking about that, or the several other serial killer movies and shows that have been made? I just don’t get it.

[@Heena6790]

“I don’t know why people were against the making of the series”…” yes I understand the *victims families feelings on it* ”…You answered your own question. And the fact that there were already other films made about this person and/or the acts they committed are even more of a reason people were against another one being made. At a certain point, it becomes excessive.

[@ns1208]

@@Heena6790 lol! The families weren't against it.They only talked abt it after its success.The show has been in talking of making for 1/2 years.They didn't care.

[@michellecleek3997]

@@Heena6790 I'd just like to point out that I don't hear very much crying and complaining when the tragic events of 9/11 are re-visited EVERY SINGLE YEAR on Sept. 11th. Isn't that excessive? Isn't that re-traumatizing the families of the victims? And yet most Americans turn on their T.V's and watch the yearly tribute to the largest mass murder of Americans in the entire history of our nation. Seems kinda hypocritical to bitch about one but not the other.

[@abby00215]

late to this vid but i had a friend (keyword had, major mental issues) who was madly obsessed with evan peters and one day she came to me and admitted that she romanticized about jeffrey dahmer and fingered herself to him. she then proceeded to explain how she understood how he felt since she wanted to kill people too, and that if she had the chance, she would've been dahmer's friend back in his school days so she could support him and be there for him. what she said was more in depth than what i'm summarizing but it was fucking weird and insane. she would post about how much she loved evan peters and how much he loves her, and that someday she'll meet him in the industry and get married. which is kind of besides the point i'm making, yeah that part is weird but holy shit when i read the majority of these comments, it perfectly describes the way my ex friend was acting about jeffrey dahmer. she seemed to not care about the fact that this man murdered, raped, cannibalized, you name it, his victims. i chalked it up to her being fucking insane but then it hit me, i wasn't too well aware of all of evan's roles at the time and when i realized he was the one playing dahmer, it fucking clicked in my head. it's so creepy how these people excuse the actions of a literal serial killer just because he's portrayed by evan, who is considered really handsome. and it's not just dahmer either, all of evan's other roles which are usually dark and sinister, people seem to be drawn to men with issues. which is fine if it's just a character, because we can all like whoever and whatever we want, but if this were a realistic situation i bet you the same girls who fantasized about these characters (including my ex friend) would more than bat a fucking eye. so delusional, i'm sorry

[@genevaxo]

The thing is that, I've yet to see anyone think what Jeffrey Dahmer did was good, but now because there's a fictional version of him played by an extremely attractive man, people just think, "Oh Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer.... but he was cute." There's more of an admiration of both men's beauty rather than focusing on the bad things he or they did.

[@SoWhosGae]

Ppl thought Dahmer was cute since the beginning. Actually if we're going to be 100% fair he was more handsome than Peters. His looks were partly the reason why he got away with so much unfortunately.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@timmy841212]

@@SoWhosGae Dahmer was ugly lol

[@Hiihtopipa]

Maybe next time he'll say hey maybe this is not a good idea

[@heartofodds]

The guy who saved all the x-men students can never really be Daumer.

[@Fym_Vladimir]

I know right?!

[@camwhitehall]

This was so spot on in his acting. Very few people can do what Evan did and the time and Energy he put into this was exceptionable.

[@KinggDC]

X men age of Ultron 😭🤣 you combined X men the avengers and wandavision. I guess comicbook media is confusing for casuals I had no idea

[@alim.9801]

This is officially the only good take on this whole phenomenon I've seen. I'm a big AHS fan, but the Tate thing really fcking irks me so thanks for speaking on it. It absolutely did ruin a generation lmao

[@kimibellzhong5670]

STOP making SERIAL KILLER & SOCIOPATH ON TV portrayed by popular actors with a sympathetic story so the audiences might get attached to and like a killer. We don’t need a show making excuses for and glorifies a genuine horrible person and their actions. Who truly needs the attention and spotlights are the innocent victims , the worlds needs to know they are good people and sometimes heroes.

[@lifeisberserk9566]

And that's why shows like I survived exist

[@MiriamLank]

Ryan Murphy is twisted. I watched glee in high school and lord that show is problematic! Thanks for the video :)

[@mordaciousfilms]

He's an INCREDIBLE actor, and I like his performances and totally get his growing resentments towards horror stuff bc damn, I can't even WATCH AHS after the first few seasons and even then, that show is INSANELY disturbing and gruesome (that's why I stopped watching...). It's weird how well he captured the real-life Dahmer in his mannerisms, but the whole "romanticizing serial killers" thing is so messed-up.

[@megisawesome]

They did the exact same thing with the Gucci family. Where they made a film with Lady Gaga in it and they didn’t ask the family whatsoever if they could make the film it’s disgusting.

[@Imps603]

honestly, despite all these dark roles, I can only ever see him as the goofball Quicksilver

[@cryptidliam8452]

the thing with tate is that i never realised he was talking about his dreams in the original therapy session scene with Ben, i thought he was genuinely confessing and ben just thought he was delusional or smth and being confused why he didnt like call the police but then it was like ohh he actually did do that!! as a twist and i just never realised

[@sarab3417]

Omg girl how many channels do you have?? Lmao your voice is so distinctive

[@kaylasays]

I’ve gotten this comment before! I actually only have this channel haha I guess there are doppelgängers out there

[@DanielleStarry]

I loved Evan Peters in Sleepover with Alexa Vega

[@Dalasjanetluv]

Kendall and Josh are amazing

[@ci_sylar]

I am obsessed with your channel! This video is you at your absolute finest! I could not agree with anything anyone has ever said more!! You have absolutely hit the nail of this issue on the head. I have not watched this series, any other series or the new Chris Watts movie 😳🙄 for the exact reasons you’re saying! Job well done, keep doing what you do best! ♥️

[@GooniesGirl]

I just discovered your channel. Love your breakdown of this topic. New subscriber.

[@sple3ns]

11:23 At this point i do think that they are already in the making.

[@Weird_fest]

Just because some teenage girls can’t separate acting from real life doesn’t mean that actors shouldn’t go to work… you can think that evan peters is an attractive man even while playing a character as horrifying as dahmer and still be able to differentiate that you find evan attractive not dahmer. That doesn’t mean you’re glorifying a serial killer. I don’t see the correlation at all. I don’t understand the hate he gets and the way he’s associated with the characters he’s played, maybe because i’ve seen him in other humanly decent roles i don’t feel that way about him, he’s a very goofy dude, funny and super down to earth, i hope he gets a break mainly for his mental health but also because i know he’d be fantastic in other light roles, which he had tried before and i think they’re totally worth checking out.

[@wurmhole]

all im thinking about right now is seeing evan in a romcom

[@dem22222]

i skipped the ad (sry girl) and the absolute jumpscare i experienced going to the ahs opening....

[@Reptarswagify984]

Totally agree! And mile higher media is the most respectful and really well researched in the true crime space