The Design That Nobody Liked - Pelikan Epoch P361 Fountain Pen

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Doodlebud

Күн бұрын

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@theprof_001 Ай бұрын

I had no idea that Pelikan ever made a pen like this. Your review was very informative and comprehensive. Thanks. 👍

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

I never knew until recently either, cool little pen!

@ichirofakename Ай бұрын

Pre-wetting the feed & nib - brilliant.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Even better if you can pre-wet with the same ink

@schm4704 Ай бұрын

I've stumbled upon a P360 recently, and I can confirm that at least the original Pelikan converter fits into that sled.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Oh nice! I will be trying a converter once I empty the cartridge

@williammodlin2621 Ай бұрын

I think Montblanc made a pen with a similar cartridge “holder”. I don’t know if they still make it. It was supposed to be a traveling pen, I believe. Great find for you and another great in-depth examination of pengineering.

@ovebjrnson3753 Ай бұрын

Thank you! These pens have been high up on the favorite pen list for me. I believe they share nib/feed dimentions with the Pelikan Ductus.

@ibpopp Ай бұрын

Thanks for another comprehensive and well-considered review, as we have come to expect from you. Cheers.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Was fun to review this one since there's not a whole lot of info on it

@mariexlupin Ай бұрын

What a fun little weirdo of a pen! I usually find metal grips to be a bit slippery, but I have to imagine the concentric rings help with that.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Its an oddball little pen but I love it!

@darren.66 Ай бұрын

That looks like a really nice pen and of a good size. The ink in that cartridge is really nice as well.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Not a huge fan of the blue as its kind of pale. But I'll use it up then refill with something else. I'll probably order some Pelikan cartridges to have handy too.

@thecatofnineswords Ай бұрын

That's a nice looking pen case!

@paulmchugh1430 Ай бұрын

The Epoch was introduced for young professionals. It didn't sell well but like you, I thought it was a cool design. I had one but someone else liked it more in the office and it disappeared. Pity. I may look for another one. Love the design and the weight was very nice.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Damn, sorry to hear your pen took a walk. My first FB ever was a Parker Vector in stainless steel. That one vanished too

@OrlandoSchiavo Ай бұрын

Greeaaaat video!

@strshooter7399 Ай бұрын

I'm going to make a BROAD generalization here, but I'd say, if not rather OBLIQUEly, you have a GOLDen talent for finding some real interesting fountain pens 🙂 Enjoy your new find 😆😃🙃😊😇😉

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

No pun indented of course LOL. I never heard about this pen but I saw one as I was looking for a Pelikan with an Oblique nib. I got the 400 OBB but I kept this one on my watchlist. Its such a cool looking pen!

@strshooter7399 Ай бұрын

@@Doodlebud You're the man! 🙂🙂

@JefferyHall-ct2tr Ай бұрын

HI DB! Thanks for showing this interesting and unfortunately short-lived pen! The design is quite futuristic, which may explain why it didn't fly from Pelican. They are really famous for their more traditional designs. Might have sold better if from Lamy or Faber Castell, perhaps.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Thats a good point. Very much a Lamy or FC design

@archivist17 Ай бұрын

Very interesting wee pen. The filling system reminds me of the Aurora Duo-Cart arrangement, though the latter is a tad more sophisticated.

@iangordon5354 29 күн бұрын

I’m going to have to get one of those (not sure whether the P361 or another in the Epoch range).

@noelogica Ай бұрын

it seem that ink cartridges is international size 😊👍🏻 i recommend u, using Pelikan C499 Converter or Schmidt Converter K5, they fit nicely for Pelikan Epoch P361 fountain pen 🕺🏻🥳 PS, I bought that Pelikan C499 Converter just RM18.94 = $4.13 US dollars at Malaysia stationary shop

@HistoricGentleman Ай бұрын

The epoch nib used the same stamping die as the older silvexa nibs, and may indeed at least on the steel nibs been using up remaining stock from the series of pens (gold as well). Over time the sled tended to rust, wear out and snap. Also on mine after using it for over a decade the cap liner wears and the snap cap retention becomes very loose and barely holds, to where if you cap it and jiggle / shake the pen the body drops from the cap

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Oh damn, hoping that won't happen to mine over time

@zeus52452 Ай бұрын

Nice find & review DB! The filling system being cartridge only is somewhat unique & not one I've seen before (that's not unusual). Another unique cartridge only pen is the Bic EasyClic with a somewhat strange way of loading the cartridge. It writes surprisingly well for such a relatively cheap pen. Since you mentioned it, I had to go look and found a P361 with a fine nib that will be on it's way to me soon. I also saw a different seller had one P360 with a broad nib left, a much smoother looking pen. The P361 will sit nicely next to my Pelikan Level L5 with a broad nib!!

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

I think I will be grinding the nib on this one as it just doesnt do it for me. A regular fine nib on this pen will be a great daily user. Hope you enjoy your new pen!

@EnCwoisant Ай бұрын

I might end up with one of these eventually. I really like OB and OBB pelikans. Hopefully it takes a normal converter

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

This OB nib is even more tame than other OB nibs I've used. The line variation is very minimal. I'll be giving this one a grind

@shashijain5084 Ай бұрын

It's a nice model. The only drawback is ( as rightly pointed out ) no converter facility .

@Kalmaro4152 Ай бұрын

Thank you for the comparison to the ECO and Safari!

@SodTiwaz Ай бұрын

If you do 2 blocks you should try to make it so they seat into each other and perhaps add neodymium magnets to hold them together.

@trulsdirio Ай бұрын

I have seen some Montblanc pens use the same type of cartridge solution as well.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Yup there's a few others out there with a similar solution. Love how it fits perfectly when you screw it down

@avgjoeshow4208 Ай бұрын

It’s not the prettiest pen, but it’s also not the ugliest. I’d rock that pen any day and be proud to own it. Good buy and thanks for sharing! I’m hoping I can afford me a Prlikan one day soon. That’s one brand of not really tried anything of but I so badly want one. But not one of their cheap pens like the twist, I want a proper gold nibbed Pelikan.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

You can get a M200 or M400 second hand priced very well. I've here the 200 steel nibs are fantastic and bouncy

@grayautumnday Ай бұрын

Would you consider doing (or do you know of) a sac-size and nib-size identification, finding new/used sacs/j-bars/nibs that will work & basic replacement video? I scored on an auction last month and got several purse pocket pens, including a lovely small black esterbrook that needs a sac & j-bar, a small majestic (sears brand made by a different company?) that needs a new sac & j-bar - it needed a new nib but I ordered some replacement #5 jinhao 82 mini nib units and pulled the nib that I think will work, the j-bar & lever still seem snappy & functional... a pale yellow celluloid Signet that just needs a sac... Or differently... I have a pocket black Bohler (looks like a thicker version of the Estie Jr I have) that I need to figure out how to take the broken piston rod & stopper out of and then codge together some kind of replacement, and a lovely sheaffer balance jr with a translucent amber striated black pinstripe swirl body with MOP flakes overlaid, back half of body and cap are both black with the same MOP flakes... the blind cap and piston still move okay but the stopper very clearly no longer keeps a seal, and I haven't been able to determine whether the section is screwed in or friction fit. Plus I need a new nib (and ideally a new feed, as the feed I have is damaged). I'm really struggling trying to wrap my head around doing the puzzling out what size/type parts I need and where to find them what sort of process to go through to most carefully attempt disassembly and decrease the risk of causing more (and possibly irreparable) damage. Not your channel niche, and maybe taking advantage of your amazing support of subscribers, but pointers to any visual or video resources you know of or ideas for where to learn more for amateur vintage pen tinkerers would be super helpful.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Grandmia pens is the first place I go to. He has a youtube channel and does all sorts of restorations and he's the first place I check if Im doing a restoration. After that there are pages out there dedicated to Parker, Shaeffer, etc that give details on repair and parts. This site is a pretty good resource as well vintagepensacsandparts.com/en-ca

@williamcatalano1762 Ай бұрын

Got my Pelikan 580 In Agate with a medium 14k gold nib from this same seller. The medium is very stub-like and it's also a cartridge converter. Sharp pen!

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

They make some lovely pens!

@kathleenschmidt1489 Ай бұрын

Hope you market your very impressive nib adjustment block!

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Thats the plan. Sending one off to a nibmeister to review then off to the channel members for testing and if all goes well have them for people to buy. I'll have an instructional video to go along with it

@philippebarillecavalier9275 Ай бұрын

I would really like to have a Pelikan at some point. What I want is either no longer available, no longer affordable, or can't find a place nearby to try one.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Second hand market might be the place for you. An M200 is a great pen and I've heard from many the steel nibs are very bouncy and some favor them over the M400 gold nib

@pratyush7 Ай бұрын

I have a version of this and like you said it is quite light weight but a con of that is the materials are thin. the clip especially is really flimsy, mine bent out of shape and there was no way to fix it. Nice review as always though

@avgjoeshow4208 Ай бұрын

Pause the video @2:35 , what are those marks all on the cap? Are they wear and tear or scratches on a new pen? I get its old stock but surely it’s not all marked up already is it?

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Nope it's pristine. It's a brushed finish on the cap and end knob. Also has a coating so it's tough

@avgjoeshow4208 Ай бұрын

@@Doodlebud oh, at that time stamp it looked like there was a bunch of scratches or marks on the cap, maybe it’s just me.

@MrAndrew1953 Ай бұрын

Looks to me like it’s a functional industrial design every day writer. Shame they don’t make them anymore. I buy these sort of pens.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

I'm really digging this one!

@KenVanderheyden Ай бұрын

nice find ! where do you find this "new old stock" stuff ?

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

When you're always looking around, every now and then you find them 😉

@avgjoeshow4208 Ай бұрын

Are you gonna share your STL files for the nib block? I’d love to print me one. You should make a knock block too for when the nib and feed don’t wanna come out of a grip section.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

All depends how things go. I have someone who's interested in working together and helping with distribution

@avgjoeshow4208 Ай бұрын

@@Doodlebud oh that’s cool! So you’re gonna make the physical products then? Not upload the files so people with the means can make them? That’s cool. I’d love to print one just cause it combines my 2 passions, fountain pens and 3d printing, but I totally get wanting to make a physical product you can sell and earn from. Perhaps I’ll try and buy one when I can and they’re available. I’ve made a couple fountain pen items I’ve uploaded to the various 3d printing websites and it’s always nice to see how many people download them and comment how useful they are. The 1 thing I’m looking forward to getting in the future that you also deal with is the laser engraver/cutter. I want one so bad. Your channel is like the most weird amalgamation of these weird hobbies and they’re all my same hobbies! I love it! Your channel is like made for me. lol.

@LobanovTheFirst Ай бұрын

It feels like some Lamy pen. Similar in visible shape. Same as in Safari punctured-when-closed cartridge.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Yeah definitely has a Lamy feel. Yup, same as on the Safari, Vista, AL, & LX. This one does have a nicer threading in feel when you screw it down. But its super smart to do it like that. Eliminates the issue of users not pressing the cartridge in all the way.

@fossilimprint2954 Ай бұрын

This was interesting. Not chance for this to be remade now that Pelikan is owned by someone else, who already went into cheap mode by removing the M1000 translucent barrel.

@ronniesan9805 Ай бұрын

Looks like a Parker vector feed

@d077Z Ай бұрын

Cart only (no cart converter), is an instant deal breaker. CC is okayish but in general I'd rather not. It also depends on alternatives, I.e. I'm far more likely to accept a JP pen with a CC than say a Pelikan, as there are less alternatives.

@othername1000 Ай бұрын

Reminds me of a Nimrod lighter

@santauxia Ай бұрын

Never seen or heard of this pen.

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Same here until recently

@angelomicciulla Ай бұрын

Are you sure it is a gold nib?

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Its not magnetic, it has the 14K stamp on it, and its make by Pelikan who has been around forever and makes their own nibs. Its plated so doesn't have the "gold" look to it

@angelomicciulla Ай бұрын

@Doodlebud thank you. When watching your video I took out my Epoch and the nibs looked the same, so I just wanted to make sure. Great video!

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

@@angelomicciulla there were some available with steel nibs too

@elborracho81 Ай бұрын

When I first saw the thumbnail I thought this was the Uniball Vision rollerball, which is my favorite since I was in high school. They have very similar styling and now I want this P361 😂

@ChrisGVE Ай бұрын

I'm not sure I like the aesthetic of this pen, but I see this is again one of these "modern" oblique which are smooth but the line variation is a bit underwhelming for my taste. Congrats on your restraint!

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

I'm about 99% sure I will grind it more to my liking. I will give it some more time as there's no undo button for grinds, but it needs some more line variation I feel

@HistoricGentleman Ай бұрын

I view the modern obliques as more of a unique aesthetic as opposed to a functional oblique as on vintage nibs. 5 deg or so with very little effort put in the modern nibs compared to the 40s-50s era pelikan nibs with a 15-20 degree grind in addition to proper profiling of the underside of the tipping

@ChrisGVE Ай бұрын

@@Doodlebud I'd be glad to see how you will try to do it, I have a 146 with a modern OB which I would also like to regrind but I am not sure how to go about it.

@cjpsmachado Ай бұрын

Like the design, pretty sure it's a good pen, it's a Pelikan, they never failed to produce good pens, but the no converter is a big issue for me. Sure you can always refil the cartridge but with time they tend to get loose and if you can´t find their model anymore you are with a useless pen

@Doodlebud Ай бұрын

Another viewer said you can fit it with a converter. You have to fill the converter on its own instead of dipping the pen and filling it that way. I have a little needle end adapter to fit a converter to bottle fill it to make things easier

@cjpsmachado Ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback. I use the needle/syringe for that same effect in some pens. I may well look up one of these Pelikan as I fond her to be quite beautiful in her simplicity.