The Destiny Iceberg Explained

[@yungsteveharv]

Thanks again to everyone who’s watched even just a few a minutes to this video. I never expected it to gain this amount of traction and I appreciate all the feedback and comments. I was thinking about possibly making another video soon, and while I did mention Scabretti, investigating that didn’t lead me far. A few options I had thought of were a Forsaken DLC Retrospective, a video where I try to piece together the Lost Original Story of Destiny 1, a video about Halo’s storytelling, or possibly another iceberg. If you want to see any of these ideas made real or have a suggestion of your own, please let me know. Thanks again for the support.

[@oddmann8875]

Preadyth was found to be dead in the vog. This is a story in destiny 1, I just played that mission. There was some taken vex explody thingy that you had to kill. And Ikora narrates the mission, and once you have found him she says that you have(paraphrasing): "In a way he lives once again" and says she will put him in the records

[@Perry-qo7ky]

Keep making content dude. Audio levels need some balance but other then that outstanding work for such a long format. Stay frosty.

[@SplitScreamOFFICIAL]

40:00 VoG reflections are about the reflections being shown on scopes of certain rifles, I don't remember if it was a technical glitch using an ancient render probe or if it was on purpose

[@prod4059]

Love the video, mustve taken ages to put together. I gotta know what shader you use for long shadow tho

[@yungsteveharv]

@@prod4059 it’s iridescent coral, from season of the undying. It looks bright in the preview but in game it’s clean.

[@exoshocker8030]

"Felwinter is the only non-human guardian" was not a typo. Felwinter was Rasputins "consciousness" put into a exo frame. Since the 3 guardian races are all based on humans, i.e. Awoken being former humans caught between light and dark, and Exo being human minds put into robot bodies, Felwinter being an AI makes him the only Guardian who was not originally human.

[@yungsteveharv]

Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Nice catch.

[@exoshocker8030]

@@confettiandsadness2046 you misunderstood that lore tab. The ghost sees a dead dreg he feels the light in, but it turns out there was a skeleton behind it of a human

[@nemokrad2650]

Felwinter was a warmind made by rasputin to spy on humanity. He isn’t actually rasputin. That’s why he describes him as his son

[@Proaz15]

@@exoshocker8030 so he became a guardian just by accident?

[@tman_theboss4171]

@@Proaz15 Not necessarily, the traveler chose felwinter to become a guardian. And so he was integrated into the light.

[@juniperberry-5820]

The “Killed By The Architects” message not only is a joke about the Dev team killing you because you died to their physics engine, but something that was left out is that it’s a callback to Halo where when killed you would receive a message saying “Killed By The Guardians” The architect in Halo lore (and correct me if I’m wrong as I’m not too versed in it) is essentially the Floods decider on which planet they are going to colonize and destroy next. Essentially, Bungie Implemented the “Killed By The Architects” message as a reference to the “Killed By The Guardians” message in the Halo series.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

Imagine if "The Architects" are the player characters in Bungies new "Matter" game, and in that game the new "Killed by the" message hints at Bungies franchise after Matter.

[@Dizastermaster.]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 Killed by tne Spartans

[@yungsteveharv]

@@Dizastermaster. Full circle.

[@friendlyelites]

The Architects are actually literal things in Destiny, in the Volume 3 Grimoire anthology there's an entry where the Darkness is drawing Clovis to Europa with the notion that he would 'join the Architects'. "Your fears will be assuaged. Your legacy, secured. Your mind, immortalized. *Join the Architects.* They will speak of the name Bray then, and it will echo through time and space. The way is clear. The first step is for you to take. Or you can beat your head against the wall until nothing remains but a bloody stump. At least then you'd leave a stain behind." The Architects are real.

[@ismailomar1068]

@@friendlyelites yo that's crazy

[@alexanderhalvorson9950]

When I realized I knew 80% of the info in this video, that's when I realized I really should take a break from researching Destiny

[@alexpurnomo9136]

Same lol

[@redhandix874]

NEVER

[@ianjohnson3770]

Hey it could be worse, you could’ve known every one lol

[@flamevale4422]

When I realized I only knew 80% I realized I have been lacking in my studies

[@ignatoseg4664]

"Oh wait witch Queen reveal ! fine bungie I'm back"

[@celiaccrab6952]

I believe that the “Mass Graves” is in reference to that you NEVER see a recent graveyard, the only ones you see are golden age or pre golden age, so that’s speculating that all bodies are buried in mass graves. (Except Guardians)

[@znoe6756]

Maybe like how many species that the hive made extinct? Idk

[@Dredgeon]

why would we see a graveyard from after the collapse? They would likely only be in the Last City and we only ever see areas of the last where it would make no sense for there to be a graveyard. Maybe there should have been one for the farm but maybe it was of on one side of on the cliffs.

[@marcuskahl6951]

i immediately thought at the imteractable pile of Hive corpses in the former loot cave

[@kanewilson8624]

Actually in the Truth to power part: once the Dungeon was confirmed to be completed by a guardian at 999 light, Savathun actually made an appearance in the next TWAB stating that you shouldn’t always believe what is written, or do, because it’s more fun that way.

[@syveenwolf]

Bungie did that because there was major community backlash after nothing happened. People rightfully felt very robbed so bungie did damage control.

[@eduardojuliolasso9344]

@@syveenwolf No one should have expected anything to happen tbh. The power level 999 thing came from Truth to Power, a lore book made up almost entirely by lies, written by the god of deception.

[@eduardojuliolasso9344]

@Got Put In A Spliff 2.5k hours, but sure

[@cerebralassassin2185]

@@eduardojuliolasso9344 it's actually cool imo. Shows how much detail they have with savathuun. The fact people are mad is stupid. If im not mistaken the lore book even said dont believe eveything it says.

[@yagirljasmine7882]

​​@@cerebralassassin2185 I agree with being mad at Bungie for this is stupid but I understand why people were upset. They were expecting to break the curse and find the 15th wish, only to get no closer to their end goal. But cmon, it was Savathun who wrote that entry, put 2 and 2 together

[@kloudkuromeshi]

There's a really good subreddit thread about our Guardian being the 15th wish. The gist of it was someone wished for help strong enough to make a difference for Humanity. An Ahamkara bone was nearby and made it so our Ghost conveniently found us shortly after.

[@yungsteveharv]

That would be a good way of explaining in canon why our specific guardian out of so many like it has accomplished so much.

[@kloudkuromeshi]

@@yungsteveharv would also explain how canonically our Guardian has done a flawless run on everything, as in story wise we've never been felled in battle. Also the conversation between Zavala and Banshee about Ruinous Effigy and how it eats Light of the user. Banshee states that we apparently have so much Power/Light that we haven't even noticed it.

[@trippiemedd2911]

Wowza cray

[@10001vader]

@@kloudkuromeshi do you have any source on that flawless thing? the way the players act in game is canon, so, if we die all the time in game, we die all the time in lore.

[@kloudkuromeshi]

@@10001vader I don't have a source, but it makes sense when you think about darkness zones. There are spots where our ghosts can't rez us ingame and when everyone wipes, we get that "your light fades away" which we all know is Destiny's version of a game over screen. So canonically, would that not be akin to a final death? So that's why I think our guardian hasn't died.

[@ready1player31]

god i love the horror aspects of this game. the K1 team, clarity, the crying, the earth monsters, aphelion, nezarec... i hope witch queen dives into a few of these themes

[@ghostnest3042]

Reminder that they just hired a guy that previously worked for capcom on resident evil games, as well as the wild hunt armor lore tabs hinting at monsters in the Old Chicago capable of killing entire fireteams, amd since we are likely going there in the witch queen you might get your wish granted

[@ready1player31]

@@ghostnest3042 man that sounds awesome. Destiny 2 has hit so many great themes but barely has delved into horror, only sort of getting its toes wet with the Presage mission

[@davida1229]

@@ready1player31 unfortunately, Destiny literally cannot dives into the horror genre, because of its “ESRB” or Pegi 16 in Europe, that symbol at the beginning of every trailer. They cannot show “adult” themes like drug, sex, swearing, blood etc. That’s the reason, they legally cannot dive into horror too much. The best they can do is something creepy, unsettling, like Presage, or basically every times the Pyramids are involved. Bungie is really good at making “creepy” moments in their games since Pathways into Darkness, and I really think that with The Witch Queen and Lightfall (and the dlc after), dealing with characters like Savathun or the Darkness itself, there will be other creepy moments. But don’t expect to go deep into horror, because as much as I’d LOVE an horror game set in the Destiny universe, they can’t unfortunately. Who knows, maybe one day we’ll see a spin-off... or a book, or a comic...

[@DakkaSolae]

@@davida1229 so.... we can have our guardian shoot Uldren dead (though off screen) but delving into horror and showing blood is too much? We literally shoot the heads off of Eliksni and Cabal yet blood is too much? I hope the rating changes tho, scene's like Caiatl throwing the psion to the ground would benefit so much from it

[@davida1229]

@@DakkaSolae yep, that’s how rating works. When you shoot a Cabal in the head, you can’t see any blood whatsoever, just some gas or something like that. Cayde and Uldren both died off screen, so yes, they DIED, but we don’t see anything _too much_ violent. Unfortunately, I really, REALLY doubt they’ll change the rating. I think that, legally, it wouldn’t be easy to do something like that for a game that already launched. It’s dumb? Yes. But it’s how these things work. Who knows, maybe with “the next saga” of Destiny...

[@eba6949]

The woman crying might just be unused audio for the patrol ghosts on the moon

[@yungsteveharv]

Yeah that makes enough sense, the only issue with that is the person who datamined it only found it at the start of Season 11, almost a year after Shadowkeep launched. Considering that data miners were pulling files since Season 9 I find it unlikely that nobody found it until June.

[@soarin226]

@@yungsteveharv my theory is that it was unused audio for the traveler healing live event. someone crying in fear that the collapse might start again.

[@truck-kun9827]

It might also be for the memorial at the end of the season.

[@ricklandis5250]

@@yungsteveharv hey guys!! if you go up to where the iron banner was in the tower in destiny 1, and stand right in the middle of the little pond up in that courtyard, stand very still and you will hear it pitched up!!

[@ricklandis5250]

@@yungsteveharv nobody has ever believed me!!

[@kashurei]

I believe that the "No pvp team" entry is actually referring to bungie apparently not having a team dedicated to design maps and test exotics

[@phonkydude1618]

Bungo:I dont have fucking idea what im doing :^)

[@saucey-5321]

@@phonkydude1618 eriana moment

[@AymenDZA]

We also know that Katabasis (the dead guardian in Presage) saw the true form of Calus, he is a Cabal but he's so old and withered that he's only sustained by tubes and kept in a cage of sorts to keep him alive

[@madeofshavings]

also putting that dance over the audio of the woman crying was a stroke of creative genius

[@MaRkDiCatiVo]

I believe the crying is from the ghost apparitions on the moon. From the red darkness ghosty thingies :)

[@rosiegaymer]

@@MaRkDiCatiVo phantoms of the dead

[@caledfwltch]

going through the source iceberg and seeing “venus wyverns” is funny as shit now that Vault of Glass is back in D2, now starring wyvern majors in some of the encounters

[@yungsteveharv]

Omg I didn’t even think of that lmao.

[@caution-monkey4603]

59:00 Woman: having a nervous breakdown The Hunter in the background: 🕺

[@polarisu7317]

Dance on them losers 🤣

[@skirongozdawa40]

@@polarisu7317 I actually am astonished that someone gives a shit about GG. Like most titan mains were sleeping on GG when they won and sleepings on this one too. Guess hunter class being most popular does incline that there are indeed are people capable in unironically being compelled to bother themselves with such a lazy lazily designed event.

[@yoshidino6245]

@@skirongozdawa40 yeah I got Heir Apparent Cat like three hours after the event started and then never turned in any medals after I completed it

[@ishyhq]

I bet they put that there to spook the data miners

[@superior_nobody07]

@@skirongozdawa40 no us titan mains were just waiting till the last minute, unfortunately that last minute was way too late.

[@shadeaubetoile9799]

16:50 This one is especially interesting, considering Saint-14 voice line mentions this sword as "Their (the guardian) favorite weapon" and that you were wielding it during your final battle. Implying we might recieve that sword later, possibly in a really important moment of the story (Looking at you Witch Queen)

[@hoj4984]

I believe our "favourite weapon" is bastion as sanity talks about it in the quest for it

[@grey1525]

Nope. Our death was supposed to be during season of Dawn, which we prevented by going through the corridors of time.

[@nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823]

Lightfall is more likely to have our guardians final death

[@7adzius]

@@thinkingboi9508 I REALLY doubt the guardian will die. Sure it might be a nice way to clean the slate again but I don't think too many people would be happy to lose almost a decade of progress. Plus on the developer's side it would be an immense task to fill that void.

[@antoga_kun1383]

Maybe that sword is Joyeuse, fitting the theory of Joyeuse

[@minoman7231]

58:58 the sound hunter mains make when their shotguns and stasis don’t immediately kill the entire enemy team

[@SolidGoldGuy]

The most true thing I've heard in a while

[@raptorman69]

*titan 😬

[@SolidGoldGuy]

No lmao

[@bruh-fw7op]

1/1000th time shatterdive isnt abused

[@PerfectParadox2k]

@@raptorman69 *hunter

[@greedaye]

Praedyth’s body was discovered in a heroic mission “Paradox” this is also when we learn of his fate. Praedyth is not a myth and his transmission or message was detected coming from inside the vault. This is when you would go into the vault in the mission and fight through Taken and discover dead ghost that would play Praedyth’s voice talking about the vex. The only thing known of Praedyth’s death was that he was sealed In a room for his bones to be discovered centuries later as the ghost says they are. There is evidence in the vault during that mission that would indicate that there are timelines where Praedyth is still alive and that Praedyth saw the Exo Stranger in every single time line.

[@fleepdeep1706]

He is dead, but he isn't dead, he actually broke the loop during Undying if I remember.

[@BretMFNTaylor]

I remember this mission slightly and it makes you think about how weird the areas like the vault and the pit on the moon is. Its cool to think about and how op our guardians are since we could have ended up like eris or praedyth.

[@omolon-scout-rifle]

@@fleepdeep1706 he's dead, but he isn't dead and he will die

[@fleepdeep1706]

@@omolon-scout-rifle EXACTLY THAT

[@enzovieira6828]

Praedyth is forever lost in the VoG, afaik the vex allowed his call for help to exit the vault bc the taken had invaded it. The vex can simulate everything, except paracausal forces like the light and the darkness. This means they couldn't fight the taken and win, and Praedyth's voice was a way to lure guardians into the VoG to kill the taken. After that we found his bones

[@NinStarRune]

Short correction, The Books of Sorrow didn't take place only 2400 years ago, more like several million at the earliest.

[@calebbennett9788]

Source: trust me bro 😎

[@pg-13otaku4]

@@calebbennett9788 the hive are literal millennia old. There’s no way they’d be able to convert war moons and conquer to feed their worms on such a scale in 2400 years

[@nataliecameron]

@@calebbennett9788 source: read the fucking books of sorrow and use common sense

[@friendlyelites]

More like Billions, with a B. Bungie said the Dreadnaught was billions of years old and the Osmium near Oryx's throne are from before Earth existed.

[@jordanhewson8287]

Literally before earth was formed, it says so when scanning certain objects in the regicide mission in D1

[@JohnOmniviz]

Pretty sure no pvp team is a joke about there being no pvp team at bungie since crucible seems to have been abandoned.

[@yungsteveharv]

Oh yeah that makes sense.

[@Deezbiskuts]

I think the “crucible team” is also the same team that makes exotics and other new content so they don’t have time to actually balance crucible.

[@dextermiles4230]

Hard to believe nowadays since they made TWAB posts regarding PvP’s future and they’ve made PvP exclusive nerfs to stasis

[@Lexie_Tyler05]

@@dextermiles4230 I wish they were PvP exclusive, PvE Stasis is basically worthless now, especially on Titan

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

@@Lexie_Tyler05 it's not though.

[@rileysmith8765]

I dont know if anyone else has said this but theres a really popular theory about the 15th wish, basically it goes that the 15th wish was the one Riven made when we killed her. She put a curse on the dreaming city so that she may never "truly" die. Thats why the raid is called "The Last Wish", the ending of the raid was the 15th wish. The ending cut scene even explicitly says she made the wish.

[@thebionicvet8674]

21:38 😂. Something about Erie Morn humming savathun's theme into the worst Mic imaginable is just comedy gold

[@conch9330]

By the way the mass graves (as far as I know) is in a lot of hive areas there are like giant piles of human remains and nobody really knows where they come from.

[@yungsteveharv]

Oh that’s really interesting. That’s probably the closest thing to a mass grave in game as far as I can tell, then.

[@Ceelker]

They're there as a reference to people farming loot caves in D1 Cosmodrome.

[@Silencersix]

@@Ceelker Now I just imagine some Acolytes farming Humans outside the Lunar colony.

[@hastyhawkeye]

@@yungsteveharv or the dead people going into the proving ground boss fight

[@chargedbowl]

I think it is a refrence to the great disaster which was the assault on the moon by guardian to then get massacred by crota and the hive.

[@clayless8701]

Literally everyone is infected by Savathun now. Osiris, Eris, Mara, everyone in the entire city, the Drifter, Shaxx, Saint-14, and every guardian that played the game in the past year and a half.

[@raphouwel2934]

Except Zavala and Ikora

[@Overfiend619]

I'm pretty sure the drifter isn't infected, as when eris plays the song, its intentionally distorted by eris so we dont hear the entire thing

[@Elchiji]

@@Overfiend619 also mara sov knows what's it's going on with her kind of

[@archonoid2]

So basiclay when we hear a popular culture song and it places in our mind then we numble it without control means we are also infected by that song.

[@nokiabean]

@@Overfiend619 we did hear the entire thing, that was just radio distortion. plus he heard the song from shaxx lol

[@thefatherinthecave943]

18:13 WE don't trap her in stasis, the pyramids rejected her and the shard on her wrist froze her. In the cinematic where she tells the one person to "ready the body" you can see the shard freeze her arm

[@thelastgiant5576]

Pretty sure that Erimis was saying that to Atraks to ready Taniks in the Deep stone crypt.

[@thefatherinthecave943]

@@thelastgiant5576 I couldn’t remember the names hahaha, so I tried being as unspecific as possible

[@arcstaff]

Due to the sword logic, she was rejected by the deep and consumed as a worm consumes a failed thrall. She was proven weak compared to us and we reaped her strength from her loss

[@r.a1301]

I'm surprised the vid of the dreg shouting "it's the darkness!" when the guardian comes isn't in this vid. When I was younger it made me think a LOT about who the true villains might be

[@protatype7487]

I don’t figure you’ve got a link, my friend? That sounds like something interesting to me.

[@r.a1301]

@@protatype7487 this is where it originates from kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIW7gIWBrclpaK8

[@protatype7487]

@@r.a1301 My thanks, magnificent saint.

[@TKAandMore]

26:37 I remember a while back, when installing updates for the game, a piece of D2 concept art was shown where Guardians are at a parade. There were several Titans and one Hunter, and all of them were wearing the starting armor from the base game. I think the first Solstice of Heroes also had a quest mentioning that a parade of Guardians was supposed to take place shortly before Ghaul's invasion.

[@10s3r1]

This is true.

[@wooddoor6617]

I have a bonus fact for y'all: rat king has cheese on the top of it's barrel.

[@rentaros6475]

Where lol

[@Gin-kz5ss]

Fax and I had been using RK for a year before I noticed.

[@Deadass271]

@@rentaros6475 on the rat king

[@arcadeinvader8086]

@@rsolvr You can kinda see it when you preview it in game

[@thetoxicraptorz3482]

This really has been a trip down memory lane. has it already been 6 years since this game first launched? I feel old

[@yungsteveharv]

Coming up on that 7 year anniversary this September, time flies.

[@imagoloop4819]

Holy Guacamole

[@C6KSystem]

Watched to the end. I loved how much time and detail you've put into this.

[@MrWelshh]

I like how every 10 seconds his voice briefly changes from normal to Corpse speaking through a fan

[@Y3JIcs]

It was so bad I couldn’t even watch past 5 minutes

[@MayDay_NTH]

His voice it's the only thing that bothering me so much. I love his contents but his voice .... why can't he just speak normal .

[@just_joshing]

Yeah I agree man. Should’ve just been chill, the voice was just so grating

[@SirBananaFunk]

I believe the crying audio was to be used for Moon guardian ghosts who you interact with to take patrols. They sound very similiar to this

[@bestgun9994]

The Dr.Crispy93 is one of the most hilarious things in Destiny 2 lore. It sounds like a shitpost made by a redditor on r/destinylore.

[@Boonsnogus]

Best gun.

[@gumunkulus]

@@Boonsnogus yes

[@zen4ever3]

If you want the loot, you gotta go below.

[@lukek4369]

Fighting lion is definitely the best gun

[@PhoenixPalmer88]

@@lukek4369 Ngl I slept on it for a long time because I’m not super skilled at the remote detonation, but after playing since launch I finally discovered that it uses primary ammo instead of special ammo and OH BOY is it a banger this season with Decree

[@vanillite4216]

Drifter: what's that lil Diddy? Eris knowing it's a damn virus: I'll tell

[@giantlizard9158]

Makes sense considering how much they hate one another

[@vanillite4216]

@@giantlizard9158 makes sense to me 🤯

[@sticklarry]

Well he obviously heard it from shaxx anyway so its not like shes doing any harm. explaining it to him is probably the best thing she can do since being aware of it should prevent him from repeating it unknowingly.

[@lanz622]

She knew we and Drifter already heard it because of Shaxx. She sings it and he recognizes "that would be the one!" But if you notice, she even hesitates to sing it in the first place. She says "does it go..." And then then silence for like 2 seconds before humming it.

[@Lily-L-H]

@@lanz622I left at the middle of forsaken so my guardian technically never heard savathun's song (yes I skip every single cutscene)

[@flippermango2619]

About Eramis, she lost control of her stasis powers and was frozen by it. If I’m remembering correctly her device was clearly damaged in our fight, but she tried to use it anyways. The fallen don’t use it quite the way we do since the ghost acts as a better intermediary to safely use it. Because if that, the power turned in her.

[@davida1229]

I like to believe that the Darkness itself “killed” her. Because her device was damaged, yes, but the frozen started in the feet, which is strange imo (the area around the device should have been the first to be frozen). We defeated Eramis with the same “weapon”, and so the Darkness has completely lost interest in her. The Fallen cannot be the final shape anymore. I think this is also a reference to Ghaul death. Ghaul was killed by the Traveler, and Eramis was killed by the Winnower, for different reasons of course (both died screaming with their hand reaching out towards the Traveler/Pyramid)...

[@MsLenit]

Wasn't she just a mean to an end, for the darkness to come to us and she was disposed of when judged useless? If I remember correctly in the final fight cut scene she turn to the pyramid and says something but I can't really remember

[@Vuldovyol4912]

@@davida1229 Actually, if you look at the cutscene, it starts at her hand, and she looks down at it in horror at first. She then turns to the Pyramid, and basically begs it to help her or something like that. As for the Final Shape, i believe its already been stated that it is the Vex.

[@Vuldovyol4912]

Yep, that is preciselt what happened. She isn't actually dead either, its proven ingame that you dont die unless you are shattered.

[@davida1229]

@@Vuldovyol4912 Mmm I’m pretty sure the hand is the last thing to be frozen, but I could be wrong. I’ll rewatch the cinematic... But no, the Vex are NOT the Final Shape. They were the final Shape in a universe WITHOUT light and Darkness, without paracausal forces. The Vex are the reason why the Gardener decided to change the rules. They can’t be the final shape. They think with simulation. They can’t simulate Dark and Light. So, they LITERALLY cannot even attack us, since they can’t think about it. The Vex directly attacked us 2 times: the first was with the Sol, but they were corrupted by the Winnower, and the second is in this season, but Savathun is behind this actions, not the Axis Vex. That’s exactly why The Winnower is here. The Darkness think that WE could be the Final Shape, and its testing us. The Winnower gave to Fallen and Guardians the Darkness (stasis) as a power, and the Guardian won: the Fallen have lost, and so, they can’t be the final shape anymore. The Vex already lost, in the black garden. The Cabal too are out of the Winnower vision, because of the triumph of Xivu...

[@tempestSH]

The Aphelion description is scary, and they're scary because they're supposedly very hard to kill, but the oracles are the most scary to me. They can erase you from existence, as if you were never there, and everyone forgets you even existed.

[@Matt_10203]

Yeah oracles are spooky, no one would even realise you were gone.

[@mancinod01]

This is a bit late, but there's actually a really interesting theory about the first fireteam to enter the vault of glass that puts this into perspective. The theory states that the reason there was only a three guardian fireteam that entered the vault of glass instead of the usual six that enter a raid is that the other three were wiped from the timeline completely by the oracles, leading us to think that only Praedyth, Pahanin, and Kabr were the only ones to enter, when there could have possibly been more.

[@adjcsee4476]

Praedyth died long ago. There's even a mission where you go into the vault in search of a signal. And you keep hearing him speak. But as you get to where he thinks he's free you find his bones laying on the ground.

[@falerob1]

that was for the no time to explain quest right?

[@holyish]

wym im here

[@CringeGamingOG]

Mithrax is now a prominent character in season of the splicer. Destiny veterans will be the only ones who remember this.

[@Afuro-Ougi2]

Idk about only veterans knowing this tbh. I killed both and then learned about it after i beat the red war.

[@Afuro-Ougi2]

@Frankdeenuts yeah

[@gary1471]

I let mithrax Live but boy was that point in the game awesone

[@mrsnovocaine3941]

I truly forgot that the fallen captain in the Titan adventure was mithrax that’s crazy dude...I really miss Titan man it was such a vibe destination

[@razor-4302]

I remembered mithrax from D1. Didn't want to kill an old friend

[@rm1kb777]

In season of the chosen Saladin talks about defending the cosmodrome because we get our best guardians from there. I think this ties into the mass graves because numerous guardians are resurrected from the same area.

[@marcusperez2024]

That and in D1 that is where our Ghost originally finds our body

[@CaptainPilipinas]

bungo lazily putting Gameplay as 'fact' sometimes. these Days, seriously....

[@nelsonticas3705]

@@CaptainPilipinas not really, lpre states that the remaining exodus ships are still in the commodore which explain why so many "qualified" risen can be found as those ships carried the best of the best from all over the planet.

[@CaptainPilipinas]

@@nelsonticas3705 Realistically it has a Limit. Not even Millions (as is the number of players in Destiny are in Real Life as 'The Guardian' character) of GA people were All going to there anyways when the *[Darkness]* Attacked continuously for Months. let alone those said-potential chosen Risen to be 'Guardians' had fully made the exclusive steps of what makes Lightbearer Guardians.

[@pakovrs7904]

No SRL cause it takes the same time as creating 2 or 3 strikes.... as if they were creating NEW strikes anyway....

[@davida1229]

Well I mean... we got a new strike last season...

[@savagewraith]

Facts

[@Samskihero]

Literally.

[@MechaDray]

This is what I thought, they just took some away

[@domc9801]

I still want it, they seem to not understand how fun it was.

[@TheTanmoy1990]

48:36 About the mass graves, almost all the cave systems of Io are littered with fossilized remains of potentially Ahamkara. Like, thousands of bones lining the walls in each of the lost sectors. And knowing how the Great Hunt went down, you could say the entirety of Io was a mass grave.

[@13ghettoDolphins101]

The 15th Wish is us killing Riven. “One you shall cherish forever” is literally just the three week cycle, 15th wish is so obvious yet people can’t seem to figure it out.

[@vorpalweapon4814]

have some faith that bungie wont cheap out on the 15th wish

[@Worn_Guide]

@@vorpalweapon4814 Oryx Basketball Court style?

[@grey1525]

@@vorpalweapon4814 how is that cheating out? It’s the whole point of the raid. We wished to kill her, which allowed Savathun to do her little 3 week cycle on the dreaming city.

[@penraffe4840]

Literally called last wish

[@nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823]

Not to mention the raid is named "Last wish" which offers even more proof that what your saying is true.

[@callumscomedyclub]

"2-3 strikes could be made with the resources to make one SRL map" - and yet they have made neither

[@burntbacn]

Of course, they're dedicating those resources to their renewed focus on pvp instea- oh right....

[@Lily-L-H]

@@burntbacn oh they are focusing on bringing new exotic weapo- Oh wait

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@Lily-L-H you see, they’re just gonna bring us a new raid… Oh wait.

[@MegaBrownOut]

cant do any of this stuff when they have to make more stuff for tess to sell

[@astronb6350]

@@gamingmoyai3950 ???

[@yaboibrundon6381]

I’m pretty sure “mass graves” is referring to the to the memorial of the red war, which serves as a grave to those who died during it, seeing as many people and guardians were lost or killed. This is just my speculation though, your guess is as good as mine.

[@blu7384]

When I heard mass graves I thought about the devastation of guardians on the moon

[@latyrm7714]

I think I remember something about a memorial the vanguard made and someone was criticizing them for only making an obelisk and not even remembering the names of those who had fallen

[@yungsteveharv]

End of Halo 3 energy.

[@EXTREME_FLUFF]

@@yungsteveharv I just looked into it. Mass Graves seems to refer to the massive piles of human bones that you can find in Hive areas. It's unknown where these bones come from, especially in places where you would not expect to find massive piles of human remains

[@rowantheminotaur6120]

17:09 Inside the D2 version of VoG, you can look through the Vex portal in the jumping puzzle and it shows the Whisper mission location, therefore confirming this theory.

[@SymbioteMullet]

This portal was used in the alternative ending of a quest in D1, giving more information about Praedith and things that happened in the Vault. I think it was related to No time to Explain. It leads to the future of venus in that case, if you're wondering.

[@CodeeXD]

@@SymbioteMullet I thought you had to do that to get black spindle or whatever that meta sniper was called

[@SymbioteMullet]

@@CodeeXD in d2 you have to get to it to finish the catalyst quest for Mythoclast... I can't speak for spindle, i never got it

[@kanewilson8624]

Here’s something that you may or may not have noticed: in season of the undying the Amunkara skull above Shaxx produces an oily black mist around it. I thought I was seeing things originally but when I read the lore that Savathun popped out of that thing and sang to Shaxx it now makes a lot of sense

[@ShadowChief117]

The crying audio imo was probably just early work on the nightmare audio on the moon. They all sound terrified and some make some unintelligible noises, so it could be that the crying was meant to be something you hear before getting close to one before the patrol dialogue actually kicked in

[@LeElister64]

The books of Sorrow actually happened tens of thousands (if not millions) of years ago and Dredgen Vale (Shin Malphur) is the one who created the Shadows of Yor to root out the weaks amongst our ranks

[@ninjashadow35]

Books of sorrow happened Billions of years before now

[@CodeeXD]

Book of sorrows happened long before the earth was even formed

[@yeetman9102]

Joyeuse could be the sword on our grave? Or maybe the true name of our ghost?

[@diamond_3716]

Joyeuse is also the name of King Charlemagnes sword, might be a small reference that our guardian is the blade of the Sub-mind

[@shinhook2k280]

@@diamond_3716 blade of the what now?

[@diamond_3716]

@@shinhook2k280 the sub-mind aka a small offshoot of Rasputin named Charlemagne

[@elizabethvaux4420]

I really feel like you glossed over the creepy darkness creatures lore pieces. Because when the traveler was chained in The Red War campaign, the drifter's team felt it. He killed all of them, as he had promised to do so if they ever raised their guns at each other again. He then spent fucking ages wandering that god-forsaken planet until his Ghost got tired of his shit and told him how to harvest all of the fallen guardians' ghosts for parts to get the hell out of there. And it's supposed, if I remember correctly, that tech is what is used for the drifter's famous banks.

[@elizabethvaux4420]

To be more specific on "creepy darkness creatures lore pieces" this is specifically referring to the gooey shape-less creatures drifter and his team experienced. They all but lost it out there, and he's the only one who made it out. He spent an entire year (iirc, again) finding all of the fallen ghosts, and when he went about upgrading his ghost, his ghost had to shut down completely, basically. Meaning if he froze to death (all of his team had died hundreds of times due to the cold. like we're talking -30 deg or more), as he had a thousand times or some crazy fucking number, while he was doing those upgrades, we would never have seen drifter. He would have been lost to time. That's where he was the entire Red War. Light years away holding onto life by a thread. One of the scariest things about those creatures is that you could never tell when they were around. You'd just....be dead. Your ghost gone. Poof, like nothing.

[@CodeeXD]

@@elizabethvaux4420 Well some of them you could see some you couldn't. I also thought those mote banks were given to him by the nine? And yeah that would have sucked apparently Drifter and his team went years freezing and starving to death just to be revived and repeat the process. Especially with those creatures that could be anywhere just turning off your light

[@Bl1n]

Watching this in season of the seraph makes me realize how much the destiny community knows about future events. Holy shit.

[@pantherexe650]

watching this in season of the deep, they know too much about the future.

[@darkwing272]

There is another Leitmotif used in both d1 and d2. "Guardian" is used during most raid boss themes, often when the boss music gets the most intense

[@michaela8426]

Ha I wondered if someone would point this out

[@bingusaerospace]

56:35 what about the “traveler” leitmotif, you can hear it in the traveler track in destiny 1 and when you kill templar and atheon in vog

[@yungsteveharv]

Yeah that’s another one, I totally forgot about it but just listening the Destiny 1 soundtrack it comes up quite a bit, and it’s even the first thing you hear when listening to the soundtrack. Definitely from the ‘Music of the Spheres’ which was the foundation set for the whole OST by Martin O’Donnell and Michael Salvatori.

[@bingusaerospace]

@@yungsteveharv music of the spheres was another rabbit hole lmao

[@GEMERALSHPHERD]

There's also a motif for oryx

[@pollotierrez]

Inner light (d2 y1 title theme) could also be considered a recurring leitmotif, appearing multiple times in year 1 and even appearing in Riven's theme (phase 2)

[@Worn_Guide]

@@bingusaerospace Death Sickle. Why won't you drop for me?

[@spacepiracy1552]

exos are human, felwinter is tge only non-human guardian because he was created by rasputin without a human component like other exos

[@justsomedude1593]

Was looking for this comment

[@omolon-scout-rifle]

@@justsomedude1593 pu uoy evig annog reveN

[@qtglowstick6060]

@@omolon-scout-rifle bro come onnnnn

[@benrogers1052]

also iirc the awoken are human but just are the way they are because they were transported to the distributary when the light and darkness collided when the collapse happened

[@dagothuronlyfans8105]

"no pvp team" references bungie not adding new crucible content since forever ago and being bad at balancing things

[@ashtonrice1374]

At 48:58 about the Osiris eye in the cradle I think it was a very very subtle hint about the real Osiris having disappeared and savathun posing as him, as revealed in season of the lost recently

[@npelolli]

41:05 now with the Nefele-Stronghold being mentioned in a text at the end of the Exotic Glaive Quest, it might hopefully be a part of a quest in the future, so we can finally explore it.

[@ontos8914]

The scrapped parade intro comes from the concept art for D2 it shows all the Gaurdians taking part in the first solstice of heroes, this is still a canon event even tho we dont see it thus explaining why at the beginning of vanilla D2 we don't have our weapons and are wearing the ceremonial parade armor

[@PootisDaLoopis]

Finally someone else who knows about this! I call those sets the parade sets and everyone always asks why or doesn't know what sets I'm talking about.

[@aggressivecarrot8355]

The crying audio was likely for the moon ghosts in shadow keep

[@ChaosRaych]

I agree. The nightmare patrol givers on the Moon have a similar sad and panicked sound to them.

[@venom8771]

From what I've heard the only issue with that theory is that the audio was found like a year. before shadowkeep

[@jonathandavis7048]

@@venom8771 usually what devs do is have recorded emotions to put into backgrounds of cutscenes. That way they don’t have as many loops to jump though if somebody has an idea for the mood of a cutscene or DLC, case in point: shadowkeep

[@leonardchurch814]

17:20 Pretty funny how this has essentially came around to VoG showing the Whisper mission through a portal.

[@andreajm932]

Shin Malphur didn't infiltrate the Shadows of Yor, he created them. After he killed Dredgen Yor he basically had an epiphany about what was the reason behind Yor's rampage, and also why he let himself to be killed by Shin. He understood that the true power to destroy our enemies is to use both the Light and the Darkness, but you need to not be corrupted by it. He also helped Drifter with the creation of Gambit, under the false name Zyre Orsa to draw out highly corruptable guardians to kill them to avoid them turning like Yor.

[@ZaphTheClock]

Wait…. Wasn’t there a live stream tied to the 999 light level, where upon completion Bungie tweeted out an audio clip of savathun calling us idiots essentially?

[@alaskanbas6507]

While YUGA has been ACTIVE and in SUNDOWN, Rasputin has never (been) confirmed to have run ABHORRENT IMPERATIVE and as such LOKI CROWN wasn't activated. In other words, Rasputin didn't fire at the Traveler from what is known through both the lore and Destiny itself.

[@simonakascejeva36]

I've never played Destiny but deem it necessary to comment for the algorithm - this is so underrated.

[@TimelostInTheSauce]

22:22 it also plays during the Sanctified Mind theme from Garden of Salvation's final boss.

[@nyoin2028]

"The helmet stays on" wasnt them insinuating they hooked up. They both had something in common and came together over it with some amount of tenderness towards the topic.

[@ToaDrakua]

Correction on Taox: While most Krill only lived ten years, the mother morph has a longer lifespan, and Taox was, additionally, placed in a stasis (not the darkness kind) only to be discovered by a coalition of species that who then lost a protracted war against the Hive. It is not known what happened to her after that, just that she was never found. The Hive locked in Crystal in the Crucible map is instead assumed to be the mate of Alak-hul, the Darkblade Oryx imprisoned after his attempted uprising, whom the Guardians of the Last City eventually slew.

[@mrdvus12]

"A gaurdian once espared my life" - Mithrax This quote pooped up in my mind when i saw that happen

[@GrzlyBore]

Scabretti was one of the radio voices from the red war campaign.

[@manbuckett3460]

The “Stranger’s Ghost” isn’t a ghost which was confirmed by a developer. The devs said they thought of an idea for people being able to have one but didn’t say anything about us actually getting one as of yet.

[@CaptainPilipinas]

Is like Most sims non-sensically just referring ' *Hive* 'guardians''. come on people.

[@CaptainPilipinas]

-Yes. That is Not a Ghost indeed.- -Not one specially forged in the [Light] anyways.-

[@LifelessTooth]

That golden cyclops is definitely a developer's test area. A lot of games have small areas way out of bounds where the developers place enemies or items to make sure everything functions properly. They probably intended to use the Precursor Cyclops in the Infinite Forest, in front of the portal to the past during that strike (but placed normal ones instead by accident), since you see a bunch of precursor goblins in that spot as well iirc.

[@farismallah5740]

I’ve always liked the anomaly/k1 artifact lore because...well I mean first of all it’s cool but also: each time I go into that map in any form of pvp I go insane and have an existential collapse, whether it’s because of the artifact or because of the amount of shotguns in the current meta especially in that map

[@harvsharv1815]

The Dredgen in the drifter cutscene is just some random dredgen not necessaraly dredgen vale

[@MikeLAslade]

@T. O. you are partially correct . Shin was born and named "Shin Malphur" he assumed the name D. Vale and created the shadows of yor, it is a way for him to see who might stray to far from the light and fully fold to the darkness. Finding weak and corruptible guardians and either helping them alter their course or ending it if need be isnt the only reason he founded the shadows, also to help guardians use their powers and navigate the hard times ahead they would face with the light and darkness because everything isnt always so black or white like people think.

[@Manny_lol]

Yeah I'd be shocked if that was Dredgen Vale cuz that guy in the cutscene fucking died

[@alexfromproduce1521]

Those enemies in hidden rooms on the almighty were actually callus’s agents in disguise

[@chulumpthebigmoneywizard851]

That !lettinggo video gave me chills... like dang I don’t know why

[@mors-idk9032]

Mass Graves most likely refers to how in the Dark Ages Guardians died in mass quantities unprecedented before and so there were bodies everywhere from guardians dying and being resurrected so they needed to put the bodies somewhere.

[@JFTSwiertz]

Six guardians went into the vault of glass Kabirs team had six, the lore of how the Oracles and templar erase from time implies three of the team was erased so definitely they never even were part of the lore. Three ghosts in the paradox mission with no guardians, and a few other small implications make that the scariest part of the lore imo

[@RetroLaserbeak]

Kinda disappointed there was no mention of the OG dataminer, megamanexe4, after the seeing the mentions of Ginsor and AnontheNine. For those unfamiliar, megamanexe4 was a Japanese member of the r/destinythegame subreddit back in the *very* early days who was able to view the armors (and maybe weapons? Can't remember) from Dark Below and House of Wolves in-game long before they were added in, but perhaps was more well-known for being able to datamine Xur's inventory days in advance. Eventually, Bungie countered his Xur fortune telling by making all of his gear he sold show up to dataminers as the Exotic sniper No Land Beyond, instead of what was really on offer. As I said, kinda sad not seeing him mentioned here along side Ginsor and Anon, and all the other deep cuts. Still, good list regardless, nice trip down memory lane.

[@nicholasn.2883]

Aight I need to go deaf blasting queens oracle

[@yungsteveharv]

Honestly one of my favorites. The whole soundtrack from Forsaken makes me wish I could relive the first time experience of hearing a lot of these dope songs with their huge moments attached. Especially Watchtower during the Vault encounter in LW.

[@Batuatron]

I wish the alpha lupi puzzle could’ve been mentions on this, one of my favorite things about destiny but almost nobody knows about it

[@infinitybomb53]

I love the creepy lore to this game I hope bungie implements that more into the game

[@xavierscheetz7389]

The entry "vog reflections" is a box map for Dig Site 4, located within the Nexus Strike. Although similar, it isn't waking ruins.

[@benvanzon3234]

18:56 Aren't the BoS billions of years old? They were going around genociding planets for millions of years in the story of BoS itself. So it can't be 2400 years.

[@austinwilson7373]

Yes it’s billions, if ghost scans oryxs statue in regicide he confirms it predates earth by few billion years

[@willishuntley9062]

Brotherhood of Steel? 🤥

[@benvanzon3234]

@@willishuntley9062 Books of Sorrow

[@AvantGardeCuration2299]

My friends and I played D1 and D2 all the time until we graduated and drifted apart. So much fun but became more of a grind than I cared for in a video game. This video was a fun nostalgia trip, thanks for making it!

[@ilucasz]

25:41 Actually, Fellwinter really was the only known non-human Guardian of all. That is because he wasn't a normal Exo, he was a Exo body created and controlled by Rasputin to understand humanity more closely and interact with people more properly. So yeah, Fellwinter wasn't human at all in any of his lifes. Now it becomes a little confusing if Fellwinter and Rasputin were one and the same, if Rasputin let Fellwinter has it's own free will or how was the relationship between them. Why that? Because when Rasputin explains what he did to Fellwinter and the Iron Lords, he refers to Fellwinter as his "son", something that raises a eyebrow about how they would see each other.

[@TheProzonedCreeper]

45:40 Now THAT is a throwback. Nice video!

[@canrex7540]

25:35 Felwinter is indeed the only non-human Guardian. The Exos were human minds implanted into robotic bodies, while Felwinter was a subroutine of Rasputin that was placed inside an empty exo body. He was never originally human. He is Talos.

[@ShaxxErt]

THIS IS SO UNDERRATED GOOD GOD

[@snekkyboi4444]

Felwinter is the only non human Guardian, exos were human but kind of still are human, felwinter never was human he is Rasputins son

[@nataliecameron]

He was a human tho wasn’t he? I thought he was just kidnapped and memory wiped by rasputin

[@pandagod9678]

@@nataliecameron he was originally an empty exo before Rasputin right?

[@ruby_loveyt]

@@nataliecameron In the Felwinter's Lie lore tab, it gives us the idea that Felwinter was from Rasputin as he is part Warmind. With Lord Felwinter being the only Warmind Lightbearer, we can assume that it was he was from Rasputin in the beginning.

[@TemphinFD]

@@pandagod9678 someone else said he was an AI

[@Gomo_]

Randal the Vandal was also brought back in Shadowkeep, sometimes he'll spawn in Sorrow's Harbor, just as tanky, simply named "Nightmare Reaver Vandal"

[@SpiffoGaming]

There was also an op resilient vandal with a shank buddy in the sunken isles in the edz in y1 d2

[@Forge64]

Joyeuse was referenced in the Black Armory puzzle, Niobe Labs. One of the puzzles/riddles refenced the jewels on the hilt and scabbard of Joyeuse. Also, Charlemagne has been in Destiny. He was one of the Warmind fragments, that worked with/against Rasputin prime.

[@KyberNexus42]

3:47 Technically Cayde could return. With the release of Beyond Light we got to explore the Clovis Bray facilities on Europa, and they look like they’re still very much operational (even after we crashed a space station into it). There is a slight possibility that a backup of Cayde could be found on the expansive servers. Even so, he would be a lightless exo with no memory of his life as the Hunter Vanguard or anything before that. Still, this would be very similar to how he would be had he not died and eventually got rebooted (just without light). On the topic of his light, there is a very slight chance that he could become a guardian again, we’ve seen regular people granted the abilities of the light (I’m talking about how Shin Malphur became paired with Jaren Ward’s ghost after he was perma-killed by Dredgen Yor using Thorn.)

[@MrLucksman]

The only thing I could find on the "Siva Microwave" was a datamined asset being recreated. What's the context behind it being "a little much"?

[@callummillo859]

Same, I'm really curious about it

[@deeznuts8567]

I found that same and im super confused

[@generations54]

If I’m not misremembering, when the first siva asset in d2 was found, someone tweeted or posted on Reddit that it looked like a microwave, then this became like a way to refer to this leak.

[@ringerscheckmate7938]

24:20 I find this controversy infuriating among the Destiny community. The truth to power lorebook was long confirmed to be a bunch of lies and probably savathuns trickery, so when the 999 power challenge happened I found it dumb that people were actually mad about it

[@flameguy3416]

Among us

[@tastee8851]

Dredgen vale was a founding member of the shadows, shin started the shadows for the purpose of training guardians to tempt the dark and culling those who fell to darkness. It was not him infiltrating the shadows.

[@LifelessTooth]

The biggest, most obvious remnant of Rise of Iron's story in the D2 version of the Cosmodrome is the massive colony ship at the center of the map. In Vanilla D1 through to Taken King, the ship had three large spheres stacked on top of each other, as those colony ships always do, but in Rise of Iron, the top sphere (Where the Master Chief cryopod easter egg was, RIP) was knocked off the ship and crashed into the cosmodrome wall, and became the entrance to the Wrath of the Machine raid. In D2, you can see the top sphere is still gone.

[@winged_destro]

“Eramis not dead” Me watching this in season of plunder: well no shit

[@AverageHouseofWolvesEnjoyer475]

The parade intro was shown in some concept art when D2 is ready to start but still downloading.

[@nathandias6771]

I think the 'parade intro' refers to a concept art showing a parade happening in the city just before the Red War. In this parade, all guardians are shown wearing cerimonial armor that happens to be the same we use during the city invasion from D2 vanilla.

[@elshelalu2027]

I started playing destiny 1 in the very year it came out and I have to say, it was amazing to see all of this stuff that I saw as a kid be archived into a video :) nice work

[@ace_sqweeks]

I love how one of The Drifter’s names he’s been called is Todd, like his VA, Todd Haberkorn