THE DEVS ARE ALREADY FIXING GAME BREAKING BUGS! (Space Marine 2 Patch 5.0 Discussion)

[@BrandoCalrizzien]

Lies! I loaded my game up and there are bugs EVERYWHERE! Shooting at me, lunging at me. Unbelievable!

[@BidnessGhost141]

I believe you didn’t purge enough of the Xenos filth

[@betterarmed]

I love all the people saying fencing parry was too easy but they certainly kept using those “easy” fencing weapons. Heretics

[@alastor8091]

It's because the swarms can mess up your parry with higher ping, meaning you'd be stuck blocking and not getting armor back.

[@alpha6games751]

It isn’t too easy or wasnt rather. Fencing did not have to basically be removed. It’s absolutely useless now. Broke as fuck. The fencing have the same parry stats and such now as balanced. Balanced does more dmg so why would you ever do fencing now.

[@betterarmed]

@@alpha6games751I have a suspicion they did it on purpose to push people to use balanced and blocking after they put in the work to change those two styles. I hope I am wrong.

[@nathancawley8759]

@@alpha6games751 this is a known bug. The perfect parry window on fencing is 0.17 seconds shorter than it should be and they are in the process of fixing it. Even so, fencing is for 1v1 dueling, blocking is for dealing with swarms, and balance is what it says on the tin. Parrying still works just fine. It seems like the perfect parry window no longer starts on the first frame of the animation , so spamming parry guarantees that you dont get a perfect, and at best stop the incoming damage. If you want to use a fencing weapon only try to parry when youre only facing 1-2 guys, and when theres more use the (now client side) dodge and get your gun strikes that way. It needed to be changed cause 1 guy could stunlock a whole room of enemies by standing still and spamming 1-2 buttons.

[@sokratissimeoforidis]

A comment of a true astartis brother well done 😂

[@theluminaryinc]

They nerfed fencing twice on patch 4.0 and 5.0, regardless of the bug, reducing the parry window on 4.0 and the stagger radius on 5.0 are nerfs, which is a pattern, so the last guys concerns are valid. My biggest gripe with this is that I played hundreds of hours on this game and "got gud" with the available mechanics enough to solo lethal, for them to just change these mechanics after every patch and expecting me to relearn how to use the new one and "git gud" again is what gets me angry and frustrated. It doesn't help that this mechanic is timing related on an online game with changing ping on every mission, in my case the ping is always high because they don't have servers neear my region

[@davidhamer7820]

To me it seemed intentional, oops parry just happens to be bugged right as we introduce a new block mecanic we'd like you to use.

[@coleevans2487]

People kicking players for using whatever weapon they want should be reported. If you don't want to play with people who use the GL play in a private lobby.

[@thatoneguy1741]

No fun when your stealing everyone’s executions and ruining their attack combos 😒

[@kingvince7328]

@@thatoneguy1741Yeah I completely agree. Stop spamming the grenade launcher.

[@kingvince7328]

@@thatoneguy1741Honestly too, I’ve noticed a lot of players who do it are *terrible* at the game, and they use it to make it seem like they’re really good 😂 It’s a huge cope for them.

[@coleevans2487]

@@thatoneguy1741 I have never felt like anyone running the GL has stolen any of my executions. There are plenty of enemies on screen for everyone.

[@alastor8091]

Nah, it's a team effort. If your build sucks or people don't wanna play with you, they should have the right to kick you. Stop rocking that busted shit so you can NOT play the game.

[@chief1lung94-psn2]

Bulwark main, just switched to Balance weapon temporarily, hate new flying chaos dudes though, sending all them back to the warp, FOR THE EMPORER!

[@LEGION-j7j]

They need to fix these loading screens it’s crazy how much loading screens just to get into a game from start up

[@Spawny3]

Exactly! And then all of that to end up in a lobby with someone else already playing the class I wanted to play. So I either have to pick another class or go through all the loading screens again.

[@gdreyer]

it took me more than 30 hours to master the parry, now this change made me had to rebuild muscle memory and now they found out i is a bug?!?! C'MON!

[@alpha6games751]

It’s not even muscle memory. They literally turned all the star bonuses off or set to zero for parry on fencing. If you’re using fencing it’s pointless now and you’re handicapping yourself. You have to use balance now no matter what. Unless you wanna play their trash ass block mechanic.

[@xXTUCXx1]

Impressive response. The input issues are on console too so hopefully they fix them. Credit to the Devs

[@user-cg2gk1yw7w]

Do you have more details on these? I'm not sure they're necessarily talking about the same thing. On PC, your keyboards and mouse inputs would get disabled (or stopped) mid-animation/action. As if the mouse was unplugged from the USB port.

[@glenndelucia8877]

​@user-cg2gk1yw7w I play console, an get a bug where my directional input stops working. my marine will be moving and dodging in random directions instead of where I want. It's happened maybe a dozen times.

[@cmt9109]

Yo en serie X no puedo recoger ningún item. No aparece ni la señal de pulsar Y. Sólo puedo hacerlo si me acerco corriendo. Difícil cuando son granadas

[@xXTUCXx1]

@@user-cg2gk1yw7w sure. When I try to use the class ability, grenades, dodge, stims, quite often I have to press it multiple times for it to work.

[@user-cg2gk1yw7w]

@@xXTUCXx1 Oh yeah I see, yeah then that's definitely not the same issue that they just fixed on PC

[@phoenix1286]

See, this is a team of people who care about their product and want to make sure we the players are enjoying the game!

[@samnewman8696]

It’s so nice to have actual developers who listened and fix the game for us. As a destiny player for the last 10 years, I’m used to the developers ignoring us. So having developers who actually fix things when the communities not happy about it or making sure bugs are fixed as soon as possible is really nice

[@juanchairez4083]

I didn't notice it yesterday when the patch went live, but I kind of noticed it today but shrug it off thinking to myself "My timing is off, I need to do better."

[@Daubeny-pm8vk]

Same. Then no problem

[@Robert-vk7ne]

The iron halo isn’t activating on time when I press it it doesn’t seem like a big problem but it’s huge in PvP

[@frischebanane]

even the idea of nerfing parrying is insane in a game setting like this...parrying is significant for survival ! the only direction for paryying is to buff it ONLY! ..no one wants or needs to be worse at the game.

[@feircy]

Input bug fix is huge, will have to check it out

[@TheServantSlayer7]

STILL BROKEN

[@RoachMartel]

It’s still broken!

[@OnlyOnSindays]

Coming from Sekiro and the Souls games, timing is now a bit more precise but still feels kinda 50/50, ain't so bad since it's just relearning the timing yet again. I will say, the block game play is finally viable and very satisfying!

[@Venim85]

My mouse wouldn't move 4 games in a row.

[@alastor8091]

Happened to me too. Gotta alt tab.

[@mats6591]

The console keybinds is not fixed on console cuz it happens there as well so they need to do that to. Every time i try to activate my Y ability sometimes it works on some classes and others like the heavy I need to press it like 3 times before it works.

[@palorin]

Still having issues as of last night at 10pm PST. I trust they’ll fix it quickly. The devs are awesome.

[@jknop5233]

This is good news. Fencing being bugged was the only solidly bad thing about this update for me (I never got the input failure). Block weapons are no longer completely garbage!

[@LEGION-j7j]

Having to choose a alternative class might happen a few times which means more loading screens you spend at least a quarter of your time in a loading screen

[@terryduke6591]

They should never have let the bugs go live unacceptable 4.5 fencing was the best so much fun hate hate hate what they have done and still no mods for c console come on if fallout 4 can do i so can space marine 2 give us mods

[@Cloud9Cris7]

I love how quick they are on it. The key bind issue was annoying but I’m getting used to using C instead of Q. Also I had this weird mouse bug that didn’t let me turn at all but tabbing out fixed it for the most part. The next day the bug was gone. Only thing I’m waiting for now is the key bind fix because I don’t like using C. It’s still broken for me.

[@Nebulisreconx]

They haven’t fixed anything that makes me or my friends want to come back to this. For some reason DarkTide understands bolters and Melee combat far better than a space marines game.

[@RoachMartel]

Heavy Main here. The Iron Halo is not working for me. I hope they fix this soon….

[@davidhache1267]

I haven’t played in a few months maybe and I jumped back on today. Felt terrible - like a way different game. I died and turned the game off. This ship might have just sailed for me.

[@frischebanane]

they ruined my favorite game since years in minutes with this parry BS..unplayable..ruins the fun..it feels random..im very very mad.

[@BrentCox2B]

"You don't have to get good, but you CAN get good" Hahaha 😂 Idk, after I did a few runs with the bugged fencing weapons it's not that bad once you get used to it. Maybe I'll start running Balanced since Im used to the tighter timing now Block is not that good in my opinion. I cleared Solo Ruthless with Block but Lethal is really Difficult even compared to the bugged fencing.

[@MasterFuckingMer]

Yeah dude. block is trash like you can make it work, sure, but straight up losing parry isnt worth it.

[@SIER.12X99]

Guess imma just use my main vanguard for that juicy 50% parry window perk until they fix fencing😂

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Its already fixed. This change was always meant to be implemented, since patch 3.0, but they accidentally reverted it in the subsequent patch and didnt fix it till now. Fencing parry pre 5.0 was essentially day 1, which saber had said to be 'unintentional'. Sabers is to be blamed for never properly conveying how fencing parry works, so players naturally assumed the buggy fencing window was intentional.

[@zachnorton1007]

Macragge bolt rifle skin disappeared.

[@alastor8091]

It's "Macragge".

[@zachnorton1007]

@@alastor8091 Thanks, wasn't looking at it, was going off memory and I knew it wasn't right.

[@terryduke6591]

Parry was fine before pach no nurffs ever nurffs kill games and games can die fast now days

[@hevy2036]

I switched the grenades/equipment to Q and the game refuses to throw them when I press the button...

[@thepowerofIandI]

Can we address the stupid connection issues? I literally had no problems before the patch and now 5 minutes in each time a giant horde spawns in my game freezes me and everything in place for like 5-10 seconds and all of a sudden I am completely fucking dead because of the random ass lag spike. It’s not even my connection, elden ring and cod runs smooth. Broken ass shit.

[@sokratissimeoforidis]

I get the same prob but not every time...don't know why is this happening but but downgrading the graphs 1 scale fixed the problem for me at least until they fix it

[@Jeremy_Reynolds]

I am playing on pc with an Xbox controller. I am using a volkite pistol. After the patch I can only reload after sprinting 🤘🏼

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

Why can't devs just deliver Stable products anymore?

[@Steve-sv2mr]

Input bug still seems there. I restarted my pc etc.

[@moorebounce]

This is the internet. You'll always have people overreacting. It wouldn't be right if you didn't. The Devs are pretty good and fast at acknowledging the bugs and fixing them. As far as the cosmetics go if Saber wants to make money release cosmetics for all the classes at the same time. I'm not going to spend money for cosmetics for a class I don't use. At least not on a regular.

[@66garagecilacap]

will see if they fix it, my problem was i can't parry like the button don't work after i aim down my gun sight.

[@christopherstephens2699]

A good operation? Play it in assault. It's a buggy nightmare that completely breaks a class' skill. It might be a good operation in a patch or three.

[@terryduke6591]

The problem is there was a game called eternal crusade, which was good at first, but then they nuffed it. And it never recovered that game is now dead. You cant even load it anymore. Servers are shut down and now we see this happening again with space marine 2 dont kill this game

[@Mantelar]

Block, pause, block, block, pause, block. That’s the whip rhythm. You shouldn’t be able to just flail around with a fencing weapon or be able to block something after it graphically hits. If you complain about that, I can’t feel sorry for you. The damage difference between parry and fencing weapons is now a bit much though. Even with more frequent gun strikes, your time to kill with a fencing weapon is longer in most all circumstances. Once you know which moves produce gun strikes and executions with different enemies, you don’t need parry to survive; especially if incorporating hip fire when you melee (keeping the camera where it needs to be to do this is a sort of end game skill). Skip dodge in melee is just as good as a parry.

[@mrgamer-6271]

Nah bro I agree with you parry was a bit too easy but I still run into parry issues

[@eren2519]

Yeah it’s a “bug” lmao not intentional at all

[@allyusjaeger9145]

Melee damage across the board still needs a buff, it takes way too many hits to kill majoris enemies where your pistol can do it in just a few shots. Also block is still trash. The damage buff is meh at best, it is still much faster to just parry and gun strike in the number off times you perfect block for the 3 stack damage buff. Also, because blocking doesnt interrupt combos from enemies, they are just free to attack you nonstop. As for fencing parry window, i've gotten inconsistent parries where mid animation i just whiff, but had a parry at the last frame of the animation. Same with 360 parries. You can however help this but holding the direction of the incoming attack.

[@wilfredwayne7139]

Yeah what melee buff? Enemies still take the same amount of hits it doesn't feel anymore effective.

[@vabrintoselbrasa2594]

I’m happy they are quick with the bug fixes, my only complaint is I really think they need to reevaluate the content itself. Yes I love the dark angels a lot. But I really want them to add content that we can use and apply to the classes themselves. But other than that hey keep it up. Ps try to pump out the content a little quicker, or at least give us a update ahead of time to give us something to be excited for

[@Yeertski]

They did mention perk changes will be coming down the road. Looking forward to what they cook up.

[@weediestbroom]

But the thing with bulwark is you have to be good with your parry anyway otherwise you'll block. So you saying it seems ok as bulwark is probably just coz it's bulwark. Try a fencing chainsword on a tactical, you'll see how bad it can be atm

[@weediestbroom]

But then again you might not coz you main bulwark

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Bulwark has a different issue that made parrying more difficult. The parry function is tied to the block, which introduces input delay to the parry.

[@jordanmay3287]

Oh thank the Emporer. Tried to play last night and game was unplayable with the input bug

[@Daubeny-pm8vk]

No. It was playable. First trie the new mission on lethal

[@Wertguzzz]

I love the dev team of Space Marine 2, they just always respond so quickly and seemingly really care for the game

[@Wingedwolf44]

Did Saber actually mention this because imo I can still parry fine, I noticed no difference when testing on lethal to be honest.

[@clevergoblin1714]

Oh. They did this intentionally.. Just like Lethal releasing in an awful state followed by an immediate bug fix update and some minor buffs to to generate praise for "addressing the issue fast".. they're doing it again?? So soon? Damn. Well atleast they're gonna fix it. Shouldnt have released in the first place with a bug that broke the gameplay for melee players. Shouldnt happen a third time thats for sure.

[@Emacspirate]

Good man, thanks for this video. How fast do you think this would have been fixed if we did speak out. I hope that the Devs stay on top of this and other issues.

[@numnutsforever4115]

I’m more concerned about the reload and pick up bugs on PS5

[@dtek1x]

Now those are really making the game unplayable. If you sprint while hitting your assigned but you can pick the up

[@UnKoZiGGy]

Is it me or is parrying in campaign ass? Replaying campaign on angel of death difficulty and when ever I try to parry an attack Titus doesn't move unless I do a feint attack then press my parry button he actually parries the attack. Made me wonder if this is part of the parry bug.

[@alastor8091]

This new mission sucks. Ending it off with a generic 1k Sons Sorcerer reusing a boss theme? C'mon now. The song has Imurah's name in the lyrics. I love the track, but this was pretty lazy.

[@laser-tw8zy]

@@alastor8091 Well, the mission involves Imurah, he’s just not in that mission personally.

[@alastor8091]

@laser-tw8zy all of the Chaos missions involve Imurah. Should've got a new boss looe with the Hierophant.

[@laser-tw8zy]

@@alastor8091 I don’t think every mission needs a new boss, just a cool final objective. (I actively despise Reliquary with all my being.)

[@alastor8091]

@laser-tw8zy this one needed it. If for nothing else than making us wait so long for obviously cut content. This is the final mission in the operations time line where all the Second Company's cards are being put on the table in an assault against the Chaos forces. Titus got Imurah, so the squads need something similar as their "final boss".

[@laser-tw8zy]

@@alastor8091Well, what would you suggest? Titus already fought both Imurah and the Lord of Change and the helbrute is already a mid level boss. Heldrake also has a bossfight, although its dogshit, so what would you want?

[@PaoloCesana]

You got it wrong :) just say so......

[@warangelthelight2077]

What you mean?

[@PaoloCesana]

Surprisly, complaining in a PVE game if is SM2, player will just say "THERE IS NO PROBLEM IS A SKILL ISSUE" and he did just that ! Unfortunatelly for him Devs confirmed the bug and I confIrmed the Ego problem of SM2 players. :D

[@warangelthelight2077]

@PaoloCesana Kool, I haven't felt any changes since the update, but what do I know. Stay cool wuey

[@metalfan2275]

I knew parry was bugged.

[@JohnnyHenry-w4t]

I knew it was to, but at the end of the day it wasn’t and isn’t broken. Did I get annoyed here and there yes, but it never was the cause of a failed Op.

[@lucasgaskell-t6k]

Good video you cooked 👍

[@tbone9474]

I'm still encountering the same problems against majoris enemies mostly. Your character just... doesn't do anything. if I mistime the parry then at least make a movement to let me know at least my inputs was registered.

[@weediestbroom]

I don't understand why they made such a convoluted mechanic for block weapons. Just make them able to block the normally unblockable attacks. If they did that it'd give you a real decision to make; fencing with the ability to parry basic attacks and get armour back or block which won't be able to parry basic attacks but will block any attack. But no, 3 stacks of bs and a long ass mechanic that, in the end, is STILL rubbish compared to even the currently bugged fencing weapons

[@alexmaafck7139]

3 stacks of blocking without a melee attack in between (breaks the stack) is really not that useful honestly. 1 perfect block should be enough to trigger the AOE

[@weediestbroom]

I think the patch notes said that a perfect block does give u 3 stacks straight away. But that's a 'perfect' block. I'm not sure what that is as I main assault with fencing hammer. I assume it's basically parrying but it simply stops the damage and doesn't trigger a gunstrike

[@remmik7275]

@@alexmaafck7139 That's exactly what I thought after using it for a while. It isn't very useful as it is on higher difficulties. Another thing I noticed is that even if you perfect block multiple attacks at the same time, you still only get one stack. I think getting multiple stacks per attacks perfectly blocked would help immensely. I really like the direction they were going with it! I just think it needs a little more finetuning.

[@alexmaafck7139]

@@weediestbroom one block only gives you one stack confirmed. Also it’s hard to tell when you have all 3 stacks visually it looks the same as 2 stacks (your weapon has a glow to it)

[@alexmaafck7139]

@@remmik7275 yeah I noticed that too. I’m hoping this is part of the parry bug they mentioned and gets ironed out

[@godzilladud08]

did anyone else notice a new attack on the hive tyrant? i also noticed new dialogue and execution animations on some enemies but i might just be going crazy🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jordonsaccary115]

What about console? Still not working!

[@warhawkofchogoris8555]

ALT+TAB fixed the input issue on PC

[@user-cg2gk1yw7w]

Per the official Discord not all people were able to fix their input issues with alt-tabbing in and out unfortunately. So good on them for fixing this

[@ExcelDude]

Same

[@sunset_saint]

OH SHIT! that's my post!

[@Sig_P320]

I played yesterday and did not notice an issue with parry. Played tactical

[@rajathebull4121]

Same with me. One guy panicked and went down trying to spam. Butties no where close to game breaking

[@brohammer10]

Yeah same I noticed no issues, even as a bulwark

[@Acerbase]

@ me next time you read my comment with no context

[@thedarkgenious7967]

was wondering what happened to parry timings with this update. they were fucking weird; nice to know it's a bug they know about and are working on.

[@jaylenharris343]

Damn, that was fast.

[@TheDwarfishjoe]

Release half assed content, promise to fix it, get praise... too easy.

[@karatsukiawildfemboy2326]

Yeah its not like they can't just put out content that pleases everyone with no bugs 100% of the time right? RIGHT????

[@Notthesavathussy]

You talking like you can do better

[@JohnnyHenry-w4t]

Half assed?? Some people can’t just be happy, idk man then don’t play the game go play call of duty or something. These Devs are some of the best I’ve ever seen…. Like one little party bug isn’t bad at all and I’m a fencing weapon player and I was still running ruthless and lethal it was just a bit annoying at times but didn’t really make a whole lot of difference as far as game play experience.

[@laser-tw8zy]

Requiem Agent cronie right here

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

​@@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 they have a shit ton of money from gw and the release of the game. They have a shit ton of manpower. There's no reason these updates should be this fucking broken.

[@tbth1546]

Are they going to fix the iron halo?

[@Forward-Motivation]

Why do people apologize for this trash game

[@theschnitter7990]

To the people struggling and complaining after the bug fixes. Skill issue unless u solo'd a lethal mission, then u good?

[@spencerwesch1756]

wow not even 4 hours after the last video 😂

[@SchmekelSniper.]

Its not a bug. They did this on purpose