The difference between a good and great fight scene

[@HombreDeAgua9]

It has always driven me nuts when people say that Jujutsu Kaisen is "only fight scenes" when Demon Slayer exists in this same era of anime as an actual example of that.

[@littymarquis764]

Tbh I feel JJK IS as great as it is for its fights alone. Besides a couple really stand out episodes *eg S2E5, almost every highlight moment involves physical conflict, it’s just that nobody does better fight scenes than JJK, especially not demonslayer

[@kaiproductions7639]

It really is though. Its not a bad thing, but the scenes that arent fights are typically just there for exposition. Most character devolopment happens in the fight. This is evident with how lackluster its world building is.

[@viniciusgrosse1958]

​@@kaiproductions7639thats just not true. Any scene with the characters just talking is always fun because of their fun personalities

[@HuevoBendito]

@@kaiproductions7639 Man, even the fights have so much exposition. The manga just has huge boxes of text.

[@slowlypassingaway1285]

Because it's the MOST popular new gen anime, so all the haters are trying to bring it down with lies

[@jacobtuley2573]

With the jjk anime two of my favorite fught scenes are the two where yuji and todo are fighting together against a single enemy using the "boogie woogie" cursed technique. The fights are also good in the manga but nowhere near my favorites but in the anime they did such an amazing job realizing that power in a way that they couldn't quite do in the manga. Being able to use that clap sound with the hard cuts to things switching positions so fun to watch. They threaded the needle of making those transitions easy enough to follow while still being briefly disorienting. I had just so much fun watching those fights.

[@RuneKatashima]

Anytime Yuji gets to jump someone it's incredible.

[@WhollyWholeMir]

@@RuneKatashima jumpjutsu kaisen

[@Raveded]

​@@RuneKatashima goatji*

[@BrandonShea-ux5fk]

Sounds like someone doesn’t know how Shonen works. All of them are 80% fighting, 10% character growth, 10% fan service generally speaking. It’s really more about the application of those things, rather than what those things are.

[@ron4tron]

@@BrandonShea-ux5fk Uh... what? Could you clarify what part of their comment you're responding to?

[@twelfthknight]

Personally, my opinion of a fight scene lay in seeing the intent of the participants. A lot of choreography is about distracting you with colours and motions, a stream of superficial actions which exists just for the spectacle but does little to actually advance the combatants towards the fight's conclusion. There is merit in that, the ballet-esque fights of Wuxia films for instance... but I like to see minds actively working the riddle out of how to win and experiencing that with them. Whether it's the insane gambits of Araki's Stand battles or the brutal punch-outs of Hajime no Ippo -- Investing into the narrative of the fight is what makes it truly memorable to me.

[@cyberspacecat]

Honestly you nailed my thoughts so well I don't need to write my own comment. I don't feel like Demon Slayer has that fundamental narrative or character building to support its fights, just pure visual spectacle, which is why I don't particularly care for it.

[@Lyonatan]

Samurai Champloo.

[@FaunoAtelie]

Fushiguro vs Toji is an example of a fight where I was shocked about how useful every action was

[@gavinsmith8105]

Yea but have you seen Garps Galaxy punch 🤤. But yea I agree with your view (ohh but that sometimes that hype just is OP)

[@sora5982]

​@@FaunoAtelie the fight in the anime is a bastardised version of the real fight. same with all of shibuya arc fights. they added so much fluff and useless actions that the fights themselves lost any impact.

[@nore9580]

while not an anime I think that arcane also has some outstanding fights by this metric, especially episode 7.

[@littymarquis764]

It’s not just episode 7 either, character is constantly being built in every fight. The scrap for the stolen loot in episode one communicates Vi and Powder’s respective characters and struggles amazingly and wordlessly, in the second episodes enforcer encounter, we see Marcus prepare to fire at children to bring order, episode 3 is arguably Vander’s standout character moment in his brief fight, episode four, through body language, subtext, and subtle facial animation, communicates brilliantly the state of Jinx’s psyche post time skip, etc etc. Tiny decisions in every fight contribute to character arcs far beyond the fight itself. Consider for example VI’s fight with Sevika in ep5, with her recklessness that nearly kills her, compared to their fight in episode 9, in which Vi ultimately wins by learning to defend herself by blocking (“you’re guard needs work”) showing a broader shift in her character. Basically, it’s all peak.

[@chopper7867]

D... DID YOU JUST GET THE BLUE COMMENT ON *KZbin!?*

[@1_zuyuno]

Vi vs Sevika?

[@nore9580]

@@1_zuyuno jinx vs ekko

[@1_zuyuno]

@@nore9580 oh ok

[@hacmi.]

one of the strengths of JJK is its power system. it's not always about who is stronger but which kit at certain scenario will work better. a lot of fights are like rock, paper and scissor scenario if you throw the right move you have a chance of winning.

[@Kal-213]

And about how the characters use their abilities in creative ways, pushing the limits of their powers while not going outside of their specific boundaries. For example in S2 Ep9, how Gojo had to switch to martial arts infused with cursed energy instead of just using his Limitless because of the boundaries the scenario put on him, with his mindset and unwillingness to take an innocent life pushing him to fight in this specific way. Which was capitalized on by the cursed spirits.

[@sheLuvsManny]

That’s so false lmfao 🤣🤣🤣 majority fights go exact opposite of that

[@Stag_Z]

@@sheLuvsMannyonly the fights involving Sukuna or Gojo, since they’re so far above everyone tactics can rarely help. And even then, we’ve seen them have to think tactically like during Gojo vs Toji, and obviously Gojo vs Sukuna

[@sheLuvsManny]

@@Stag_Z that’s false 🤦🏾‍♂️ y’all get on here and claim anything as tactics . Sakuna and gojo are the only fights that involve real tactics or suspense Lmfaooo claiming plot as tactics is crazy

[@darkshreddergaming24]

Kinda just like nen but feels worse

[@ChilledBacon]

8:13 tbf demon slayer doesn’t really revolve around a “magic system” besides the demon arts. It’s just swordplay with elemental effects added on top to visualize the breathing

[@nnnik3595]

Yeah well I have a hard time telling you this - that's magic and a magic system. Unless you say this breathing exists.

[@twapsgelacio]

​@@nnnik3595 Come on he said it.... Its just to visualize. It exist but not produced powerfull magic effects. Its just you know "BREATHING". also of the entire cast the only one who seems supernatural is Zenitsu. Not others whos breath are swordplay. Zenitsu is a simple draw/unsheathed atk that traverse distance ain a blink. So Zenitsu is really are to judge weather he is just moving faster that is Humanly possible or he is blinking/dash as shown.

[@nnnik3595]

@@twapsgelacio It's breathing which in universe creates magical effects. It's like calling wizardry handwaving. "It's HANDWAVING not magic you fool"

[@reninantonio]

​@@nnnik3595I understand where your confusion comes from. Demon slayers do not use magic but are actual sword techniques. The traces of the "breathe" in the swords are just a visualization breathe-style of the author. It's their 'artistic interpretation' of the sword techniques.

[@nnnik3595]

​@@reninantonioyeah and of the day daid breathing gives super human powers - aka magic. The sword styles in demon slayer are just magic. I'm not confused - you are making distinctions when there are none.

[@adamcarriere8937]

When you talked about the colour science, its importance and how demon slayer does it well, i was watching the video in black and white. Seeing the usually extremely vivid demon slayer fights in black and white allowed me to see just how much they cater to viewer experience like you think

[@swidball795]

I love demon slayer's subtle fighting note. For example you can notice uzui is in fact left handed through some early blows and chopping off dakis head, and later we see it was his left hand that was chopped off. That's the kind of choreography that makes a fight good to me

[@haxxx-mv1lg]

that is not chorography kid.

[@covelt]

do you like know what choreography actually is?

[@himlolo]

What does that have to do with choreography 😭

[@otherbiinjo943]

dude. the way you structure your videos, how in-depth your explanations go, the music to accompany what your explaining, these videos are so well put together. keep up the fantastic work

[@xtersin5700]

Not gonna lie, I have been watching Pey for 3 days now. And his content is just intriguing and will keep on intriguing. I'm like a fish getting hooked up by an interesting hook.

[@edensnagisa]

...same here. I've been watching for a bit longer, but these videos are very intriguing and insightful that I can't stop binging.

[@FSUMercerian]

Just found him and about to start a dive through all the videos. Thank you algorithm gods for once!

[@Saiki-lp1in]

You’re definitely a new gen and tourist.

[@KK-ef1ow]

It's kinda crazy to see his massive growth the past few months. I was around when he had like 1k subs and it's so nice to see him getting recognized.

[@AtriocClips]

tfw ur browsing your favorite youtuber right as there is a new upload :)

[@littleboi6564]

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[@mr_0n10n5]

What's glizzy hands big A doing here? Just saw the video on google

[@Ivoler239]

@@mr_0n10n5pey used to make glizzy glizzy coffee cow songs

[@grimmturd]

The only fight scene (so far) in High School of the Elite was such a disarming and amazingly choreographed moment, it reminded me of the bus fight in Nobody by Bob Odenkirk.

[@animecatalog9194]

Classroom of the elite had a fight between ayanokoji and the president

[@assarlannerborn9342]

yes the one with ryuen, sadly the used up all the budget on that one, even the budget for the next season was used up

[@上昇ToHeaven]

​@@assarlannerborn9342True

[@defetya]

​@@assarlannerborn9342clearly they ended up being in debt

[@alex2005z]

​@@animecatalog9194I would hardly call that a fight. It was like one attack

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Demon Slayer is a flashy show, super fun and spectacular but incredibly shallow most of the time. This applies to everything: characters, worldbuilding, fights, plot, design, everything. I love to watch it, but its not even close to my top 50.

[@justsomeannoyingredpanda]

Heavily agree with you. I love the series, but honestly, the most in-depth part of the entire story is the meaning in the names of the cast. "Meti (Not the Bad Guy)" has a ton of character breakdown videos including Demon Slayer.

[@obarich]

Character designs are fire though

[@booker-d123]

Not shallow. You just don't have the life experience to appreciate it. Nothing shalloe about Yoriichi/Kokushibo/Akaza/Gyutaro/Jigoro's story.

[@momopokemon838]

@@booker-d123 kokushibo and yoriichi are the only one I agree with lmao. Gyutaro and akaza were cliche and forced. Also tf jigoro even do to contribute to the story other than killing himself lmao

[@jjthomson2815]

@@ardidsonriente2223 I mean that's the anime, a great adaption, but what about the non flashy manga? It has to have something else that intrigued people this long

[@beadrix_tr8015]

these videos are the best late night videos. Its so calming

[@davec8385]

Love to see the shout out for every frame a painting's Jackie Chan video! It's one of my favourite on all of KZbin and changed the way I looked at media

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Taylor Ramos, Tony Zhou, Pey and Jackie Chan. What an amazing combination.

[@kevinknutson4596]

Just a heads up, Every Frame a Painting starting posting again a few months ago!

[@samuelmontana42]

@@kevinknutson4596 Awesome, TY!

[@RuneKatashima]

Me too, I was excited to see it mentioned. Such a good video. I favorited it.

[@mobi8046]

real! that was the moment i learned why jackie chan's action shot succeeded in comedy while other directors failed to get even a chuckle out of the audience

[@Nova-115]

So many fights in JJK do outstanding jobs at defining a character, and pushing the story. It's not just eye candy, but you are given the overwhelming feeling that the scene you are watching is significant and the outcome of the fight doesnt matter more than the fight itself

[@alex2005z]

I mean like most of the fights are won from the start. Like maybe the one at the end of season 1 with Yuji and Nobara vs the 2 "curses" is the only one I can think of that was close. I guess you could also say the Gojo vs Toji one. Aside from that, which ones could have even been won by the losing side?

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

​@@alex2005z Todo and Yuji vs Mahito,choso vs yuji, Geto vs yuta, Disaster curses vs gojo. And there will bemore in the next season like Yuta vs Uro ryu and kurorushi, Megumi vs Reggie, Maki vs cursed naoya and so on

[@alex2005z]

@@maskedlibrarian1483 Mahito not trying to kill Yuji and Todo is the only reason they lived. Yes, they hit him a lot, but werent doing any significant damage. The disaster curses vs Gojo was straight up stupid. Why was Gojo not looking out for the one thing infinity wouldnt block? And he knew they had it since they had just stolen it. As for Choso vs Yuji, I cant even remember how it went so I cant say anything on it. Geto vs Yuta was one I missed, but there wasnt much caracther defining there

[@snowmann.]

2:37 demon slayer actually has crazy good choreography S1 tanjiro vs inosuke hand to hand was amazing amazing

[@camdennk]

2:17 I absolutely adore color design. Seeing how the colors clash and mix in scenes or contrast from the background has been fascinating to me. My first take on Joker 2 was led by this with the colors of the umbrellas against the cold, bland concrete

[@KellyAnimation-w2d]

The power system in demon slayer isn't good but to say they isn't any different in each breathing style is crazy, water is better for defense which tanjiro clearly stated in season 2, lighting is better better for speed, flame is better for offence, and saying that tanjiro is Never in a trouble for using water breathing is so stupid when he gave up water breathing for flame because it was better suited for him, he use lighting breathing to catch up to upper rank 4, tokito use mist breathing to confused upper 5, insect breathing specialist in poison, demon slayer power system isn't the best but to say they is no differences in the breathing styles is crazy, great video btw

[@dominikhublin3023]

Obito vs. Kakashi is the first fight I think of when it comes to great choreography and character plot, really glad you talked about it. One of the best fights to showcase that not everything needs to be flashy, and clean choreo between two connected characters with some clever tricks in between, like using your opponents hands for hand signs, can outshine any amount of bright lights.

[@hariman7727]

Vash vs Knives. It's one of the most tense fights I've seen in any anime. But it's built up to be the entire Trigun series.

[@blakeslone9820]

I've realized over time that I have begun to value choreography more and more over time, from Avatar the Last Airbender being a massive favorite, to watching CodeNameSuper videos where he breaks down the fast stuff and shows off just how hard the animators were really cooking so we can appreciate it, to watching Fog Hill of Five Elements where the choreography in fights is so unbelievably good across the board that I've watched every fight at least 5 times and just about every reaction to the ImKevinn video over its fights. Choreography is incredible when done well and I personally have begun to weigh it higher and higher of all the options, but damn do I love good fights in anime/animation.

[@beaneater4277]

I think your 6 are a bit simplistic Here would be my 6 parameters for judging fights: -Spectacle (Choreography, directing, animation, art) -Stakes (What are we fighting over? Are there win conditions outside of just killing the opponent?) -Ideas/Meaning (What does this fight have to say in the grand narrative of the story? What philosophies do they embody?) -Push/Pull (How the fight shifts advantage and how unclear it is who will win.) -Strategy (How much deeper is it than ‘they exchanged blows’) -Build up (Everything that happens before to make this fight make sense)

[@reaperandyel]

Agreed. It's kinda weird to put something like "Magic System" in general story telling since some stories don't even have magic. And "Viewer Experience" should be all 6 combined and not one of the 6.

[@Brayghost]

@@reaperandyel especially considering the breathing styles in demon slayer are not magic, it is purely visual candy, They are different sword styles, that require different amounts of stamina and strength to pull off with different angles, speeds, points of impact and situational advantages and disadvantages (which is true they do not use these different advantages or disadvantages in matchups but that could also just be because the slayers are dispatched with whoever is available and a lot of the slayers don't have special breathing techniques and just rely on strength, but the hashira are dispatched more specifically probably to their specific strengths and weaknesses, but they don't really address this in the show, so it's still a fair criticism

[@nnnik3595]

That's so much worse than the ones pey made lol

[@nnnik3595]

@@Brayghost That's just magic genius

[@realperson69]

@@reaperandyelI think “magic system” is a stand-in for techniques, skills, and in-universe physics. Basically, it’s whatever sets the rules for a fight regarding what is possible and what is practical, as well as what sets each combatant apart both stylistically and strategically, which in turn makes each fight unique and intelligible. A series that does not define these things has a hard time depicting the flow of battle. Like if you watched a game of speed chess with no understanding of the rules. Or like if you watched an Any% speedrun of a game you have no familiarity with. This is actually part of why so many mediocre battle anime/manga pause the action to have some character comment on what is happening. Because the world’s physics and the characters’ abilities are too poorly defined for us to understand the significance of anything that’s occurring, and the budget/schedule is too restrictive to provide sufficient visual spectacle to distract us from the fact that we actually have no idea what’s going on.

[@Starlit-Music]

4:55 For me personally the thing main thing I look for in a fight is unpredictability, something that I feel most don't ever think about but definitely notice when it's missing. It's that feeling when you see a 2 (or more) characters either preparing for a fight, or taking a breather during a fight, and you realize you don't exactly know how it's gonna play out. Even when you know that the protagonist has to win this fight, you can't possibly imagine how they'd pull it off, what they might loose in the process, or how any external factors may affect the fight. Jujutsu Kaisen's fight scenes are great examples of this, cause they constantly remind you that at any point things can take a drastic turn and that nothing is garinteed. The Last Airbender also has many great examples, specially how a simple shift in environment or even time can drastically change the tide of battle. Of course there are also bad kinds of unpredictable, ranging from fights that feel borderline random to fights that are so stagnant that if you didn't know it had to end you'd probably assume it wouldn't until one side passed out from exhaustion. At the same time though, when I feel like I already have a perfect idea of how a fight is going to play out before it even starts, as I did when I watched Bleach, I find myself quickly get bored of the fight and even get annoyed at any storry elements they try to interject into it to keep it interesting (i.e. the random flashbacks of random characters we'll never see again). Though it definetly has its time and place, such as in a few fights in Frieren where it feels more like you're supposed to know how it's going to play out (as it made it easier to subvert my expectations in later fights), it's honestly what drives me away from most battle anime.

[@theparadoxicaltouristtrave9320]

That might be in one of his categories, but unfortunately, pey's explanation is more sparse in this video.

[@Lohpezhoh]

Hunter x Hunter's Meruem vs Netero is also a good example of this. You literally can't even begin to understand how the fight is supposed to play out with the thought that "good guys have to win" and in the end you even start to question "who tf are the good guys" lmao. One of my favorite (if not my favorite) anime fights ever, so I agree to a great extent with you

[@anosvoldigoat2044]

I think even though Frieren isn't a battle series, it does fights much better than most (especially in its anime). The fights are short and sweet for the most part and involve a lot of story and character developments. It's not just this is cool to see.

[@Lohpezhoh]

@@anosvoldigoat2044 agreed tho I'd Say they don't rely much in choreography (except for some examples) given they are mostly battle of mages

[@anonexistentbeing]

hehe funny speeling mistake

[@Squampopulous]

really awesome video! my recent video essays on fight scenes have prioritized narratives and believability, but i definitely can appreciate the other dimensions you bring up in this video!

[@im_2ks]

I would kill for a quinton reviews level of length video of yours, your points, your manner of speaking and your editing are just so dang good

[@edgytheedgehog8618]

Watch his Kaguya video if you haven't yet. It's from 6 months ago.

[@im_2ks]

@@edgytheedgehog8618 just watched, thanks

[@Roundabout_]

i genuinely have tears in my eyes the way this guy speaks is magnificent wtf

[@zerx70]

New pov has been acquired amazing vid as usual thank you pey

[@ozarksreachout3179]

I really appreciated this video. Thank you for sharing, pey!

[@pinapplegalaxy7702]

It’s amazing how I am always left in awe after watching one of your videos. You take moments that are already amazing and explain them to the point of breathtaking. Keep up the amazing work 🎉

[@Spinaldash]

Your videos keep getting better.

[@jacquelinehillier3724]

I just stumbled on your female protagonists video and now I’m here lol but your narration and arguments are compelling and enjoyable to listen to coupled with great visuals and music makes for a great video!

[@justsomeannoyingredpanda]

Your video reminded me of "Teddy Slumps" video in how Frieren Journey's End has some of the best fights not just because they were flashy, but because they were perfect ways to conclude what the show has been building up to for a character. (Take Stark's first introduction and conclude it with his fight with the dragon)

[@weirdchamp4601]

8:58 “because well superman had kryptonite, Gojo had Toji”🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@theprimordialbean2155]

A fight scene I really enjoyed was Gintoki vs Takasugi from Gintama. It was an extremely tooth and nail fight between two bitter rivals, but up until that point we had never truly understood the nature of the bad blood between them. The brief flashbacks that occurred during the fight explaining the truth of their past together enhanced showed just why they were so desperately fighting against each other.

[@dest2118]

PEAK mentioned!! Gintama honestly is special. Same show had me laughing, crying, and getting hyped as hell. That fight was such a brutal one; Gintoki vs Takasugi started off as a swordfight, goes to fistfight after they’re both badly wounded and ended as a sword fight where they put their past, present and ideals on the line,

[@therandommusicguy4773]

Jesus Christ every single last line of every single video is so damn poetic.

[@tspvibin8314]

"ill see you next week" is NOT poetic 🤣

[@whickering]

@@tspvibin8314 You really took time out of your day to prove a comment wrong, Congrats

[@Derezzify]

If you like this guy, check out every frame a painting. Referenced in this video, and it has overwhelming influenced every video essay after it. The style of this essay follows that old style to a T.

[@tspvibin8314]

@Sillyestofsilly and you took time out of your day to reply to me. You're SO much better than I am 🤣🫵

[@whickering]

@@tspvibin8314 I have all the time in the world lol, I hope you have a wonderful day/night

[@Furinawillcomehome]

i was just binge watching your vids, then i suddenly saw this lol

[@DBZnChill]

Just found you today and I already went through two other videos. Great job man keep it up!

[@erin1569]

I had to rewatch parts of this video because I got so immersed in the Toji vs Gojo fight

[@Burst644]

Loved this video, helps me break down and analyze the shows I watch more.

[@thedisciples9693]

Got chills when you said, "Just as Superman had Kryptonite, Gojo had Toji."

[@dmytrokapshuk6183]

Just saw a video criticising Friren fightings because it is not often and not that cool apparently. Your video perfectly applies also to fighting scenes in Friren and explained it to people who couldn’t understand them.

[@mr.dirtydan3338]

What are they talking about? I have NEVER seen fighting using magic look as good as it did with Freiren. I have never seen a show even come close

[@hariman7727]

@@mr.dirtydan3338 The person complaining is probably used to fights lasting for entire episodes or multiple episodes, and likely also isn't invested in the emotional weight of the fights in Frieren. Or they're complaining about the various really short "fights" which are usually flashbacks or comedic "this happened today, we killed a bunch of monsters" moments. Seriously though, Frieren Vs Aura is AMAZING, detailing a major reason why Frieren is so deadly to demons and so feared, and showing that some fights just end that quickly.

[@ÐXVI]

I haven’t watched demon slayer but after seeing these clips of it i want to watch it now 😅

[@aquilonthepro8319]

I’d say go for it! It’s pretty enjoyable.

[@TheHyperfilthered]

Worth the watch for the beautiful animation, and Inosuke

[@Katniss0000]

I watched it when it was still not popular. it was overshadowed by a Popular anime I think. It is actually good for the THEME they are showing. It is like you don't go to a math class to learn about english. One of the few anime you will not be embarrassed watching with your family.

[@rouka24151]

Peak fights are last naruto vs sasuke final valley fight, just so much emotions and the impact of each punch with no OST is just *chef's kiss*

[@jjthomson2815]

This guy has great analysis and commentary videos, peak, pls sub to this man

[@plaecholder]

It'd be interesting to see/hear you breakdown analayze and rate fights with this methodology. Could be a good series.

[@braydonfisher9273]

the switching between two fights reminds me of the fight on the bridge in arcane, where the switching back and forth brings so much information into the story it's almost overwhelming

[@lemminkapplewayne8877]

I know that its very near to the end of the series but the culmination of the fight with Mahito honestly has to be put in a fight scene hall of fame somewhere. Yuji finally snapping and unlocking all of his potential, plus some, with the animators overlaying him imagining mahito as a wounded rabbit and himself as a hungry wolf chasing him down even though hes defenseless. If you really relate that to the story as a whole its Yuji's "going over the hill" moment with him realizing that his motivation for being a sorcerer and as a person is no longer to make sure he and others can "have a good death" he realizes that his one sole guiding reason is absolutely destroying anything that would prevent others from living as they should and keeping the scales even. Mahito's death being anything but good, fair or glorius and it was Yuji himself who caused such a death really was peak character development.

[@Dan-zd9iy]

what makes a fight scene good is subjective, and that's that.

[@kevinfennell7870]

Every frame a painting is a great channel and he’s doing new videos after years off

[@theparadoxicaltouristtrave9320]

I feel like you didn't explain your categories well enough. I don't know how to evaluate them. For example, with my preferences; if I get bored by fights that have higher stakes than the story would allow the hero to lose, is that plot or hype or something else? If I like fights that say something about a character, but don't really impact the plot, like Yoda vs doku showing that Yoda is purely spiritual in his fighting style while every other character I had seen were more physical in theirs, is that an expansion on plot, is it purely choreography or something else. You clearly have a well thought out theory, but unlike your other videos, I can't really get my head around it.

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

I'd imagine they both fall into plot by his system but I too am not fully on board with his layout. I'd probably put like tension, strategy, logical consistency, characterization, visuals/cinematography, and choreography. If the main character can't afford to lose for sake of the plot, it has no tension. A fights outcome is pretty basic in how it affects the plot (either bad guy was stopped, or they weren't) but very impactful when it comes to characterization. Like demon slayer's sword styles are about characterization for the most part, instead of strategy. The honest straightforward guy has bright fire, the adaptable balanced main character has flowing water until it changes to righteous fire. The sound guy is clever and flashy. The boar head guy is beastly. The zenitsu is... he just sucks. Because all these styles accomplish the same objective, the path the characters took to get there is able to characterize them (somewhat).

[@TheMrDavidCurran]

The hard thing about the magic system in Demon Slayer…is that there is no magic system. The author has said that there is no magic to the breathing forms, it is only visual. These are normal humans, fighting demons. I also think that the choreography of Demon Slayer is underrated, but that’s just my opinion. I think that Demon Slayer has been fundamental to create the popularity of anime in the West.

[@brianangeli4378]

No, the magic system exists, it’s just that the elements don’t actually exist. Like when zenitsu does a thunderclap and flash, he genuinely moves faster than sound, but no lightning is created

[@TheMrDavidCurran]

@@brianangeli4378 but that is the difference between magic, and the fantasy world system. If within the fantasy world system, a normal human can dedicate themselves to training and then move faster than the speed of sound, that is not magic. It is a semantic distinction, but it is the difference between what is achievable for non-magic beings, and the demons, who can affect things outside of themselves that goes against the base laws of the narrative universe (ie, teleporting 1000s of people into a pocket universe).

[@xXSamir44Xx]

Ah yes. Normal humans that recover from burst ear drums and other injuries in minutes, while fighting and straining their bodies. Not to mention a specific line from the manga.

[@TheMrDavidCurran]

@@xXSamir44Xx normal humans for the narrative universe are not the same as humans in our mimetic world. It’s the difference between for example, Will in Wistoria can achieve (most of) his swordsmanship without the use of magic, while Noor in I Parry Everything can achieve his swordsmanship through ‘skills’ which are magic. You have to look at it from the aspects of the narrative universe, not real human beings on planet Earth outside of the book/show/movie.

[@Raiden-TR]

​@@TheMrDavidCurranNice, you actually using current examples 👌

[@M.W.2]

Captain machis such an underrated youtuber. His demon slayer (rant) is one of the bet analyses of an anime you'll find on this platform

[@pkpyro2000]

I feel as though you may have missed some of the general themes of Demon Slayer and some parts in your video kind of reflect that as I believe some of the points being made are incorrect Pt1 7:25 There is definitely a time when Tanjiro is at a disadvantage because he’s a Water Breather and just for using certain breathing techniques in general for example 1: When he’s fighting Rui (Thread Demon) he isn’t strong enough to cut through his blood threads and almost dies because of it leading to him remembering the dance and breathing style his father did and unlocking thr Hinokami Kagura 2: When he’s fighting Gyutaro and Daki his water breathing techniques aren’t strong enough to kill (because as he mentions multiple times he’s not great at Water Breathing) and the Hinokami Kagura is taking its toll on his body so he manages to mix the two styles thus learning new things about how breathing styles were made and how the Hinokami Kagura fits into that system 2.5: Tanjiro not being the best at Water Breathing is a main plot point that leads to him mainly using the Hinokami Kagura as his primary fighting style 3: And Tanjiro is often at a disadvantage from using the Hinokami Kagura until he masters it enough to use it consistently as his main style like against Rui where since Tanjiro didn’t get the kill and was completely out of energy he couldn’t fight Rui when he got back up but he managed to stall long enough for the Hashira to arrive 4: Another time is when he’s fighting Daki and almost asphyxiates when he goes into his slayer mark state and over exerts himself almost being killed by her until Nezuko saves him and the general disadvantage of the Himokami Kagura at first is the strain it puts on Tanjiro’s body which is why he switches between that and water breathing a lot in the entertainment district and Mugen Train Arcs 5: Also on the Mugen Train when he’s too exhausted from the Hinokami Kagura and the prior battle to be able to help Rengoku which upon Rengoku’s death spurs Tanjiro to learn how to use the Hinokami Kagura consistently 7:32 Next up trading opponents for a better match up this happens pretty early in the series 1: When fighting Yahaba (Arrow Demon) and Susamaru (Ball Demon) Tanjiro starts by fighting Susamaru using water breathing and it’s defensive properties to dodge the incoming balls from all directions and cut her arms off while Nezuko fights Yahaba but they end up switching opponents since Tanjiro can use the more flexible nature of water breathing to counter Yahaba’s Arrows Tanjiro ends ip fighting him as Nezuko would have too much trouble with him 2: When fighting Hantengu they swap for better match ups multiple times with Tanjiro fighting the Hantengu clones while Genya hunts down the main body eventually they switch because Genya isn’t strong enough to kill the main body and so Nezuko and Genya fight the clones 3: Again in the Hantengu fight when their fighting his Hatred form Tanjiro, Nezuko and, Genya are losing badly before Kanroji (The Love Hashira) saves them she then fights Hantengu’s Hatred form as she’s better suited to keep him at bay while the others find the main body and kill it Bonus: They’ve even teamed up for better matchups like when Tanjiro, Zenitsu and Inosuke teamed up to try and take down Daki using Tanjiro and Zenitsu for defense while Inosuke beheaded the main body as Inosuke was best suited for killing her as he seemed to be the only one of them that could at the time 7:42 This is a misunderstanding of the system in and of itself it’s not that the attacks themselves so much of have different effects as the point of every single attack is to cause damage but the main difference is the styles themselves some having more or less versatility then others it’s just like any real life fighting style the point is to beat the opponent and cause damage but the way you go about doing so varies from style to style Sound Breathing is meant to be loud and flashy in order to confuse the opponents senses and cause them to make mistakes in battle Water Breathing is meant to be defensive and flexible trading in power for adaptability especially from those who aren’t the best at Water Breathing they lose a lot of power in their attacks like Tanjiro did which is why he changed styles Beast Breathing is a more wild unpredictable style using chaotic movement patterns to throw off opponents it’s a style that relies more on instinct it’s why in his fight with Daki’s belt Inosuke’s moves where hard for her to read. It also allows for him to find enemy weak spots a skill no other breathing form seems to have Thunder Breathing is made to be incredibly fast focusing a lot of its power in the legs Tanjiro even used it to catch up to Hantengu during their fight when he realized no other form could work Mist Breathing is a style meant to obscure the users movements making them hard to defend against as you don’t know when and where their attacking from Later in the Hashira training arc we see how the different principles of different styles can be mixed into general combat with Serpent Breathing and how it’s useful for weaving around obstinate and surprise attacking your opponent and Tanjiro learns that general principle The goal of the styles is of course the same to attack and damage the opponent but it’s about how they do that and what is best for the scenario and how effective the user is at taking advantage of their style that determines their battle strategy and the flow of the fight

[@pkpyro2000]

Pt: 2 A lot of story telling and key moments I feel are shown through Demon Slayers fights and the way they might choose to fight a lot of the stories being told in Demon Slayers fights have to do with Family, Bonds and, Connections 1: During the fight with Rui’s Mother (The Spider Demon) and her willingness to accept death instead of living under Rui’s false idea of what a family is and Tanjiro’s decision to give her a painless death and that sentiment being carried over into the fight with Rui and what a true familial bond looks like with different aspects of Tanjiro’s family aiding him in a fight against someone who doesn’t understand the importance of family Tanjiro’s Father saving him by teaching him the Himokami Kagura his Mother waking up Nezuko in order to save her brother and Nezuko unleahing her demon blood art in order to save Tanjiro and allow him to land an almost killing blow against Rui it’s a story of a loving family coming together even in death to fight a fractured idea of a family that Rui wanted to find by replacing the one he lost 2: Marked Tanjiro vs Daki and the fear Muzan and his blood has against The Demon Slayer he fought long ago and how that will is being carried on in Tanjiro as he cannot abide by the horrors Daki committed by destroying the town and harming its people 2.5 To continue with he entertaiment district the overall theme of the fight was to similarly Mirror that Brother and Sister dynamic of Tanjiro and Nezuko vs Gyutaro and Daki both the brothers being hard workers for their family both of them having sisters that their towns considered to be beautiful both fighting to protect their sisters but one also wanting to save his sisters humanity as well as the innocent around him while the other would rather turn his sister into a demon and burn the world down for her 3: Mugen Train Tanjiro’s hard decision to instead of living in a fantasy with his family instead choosing to kill himself in the dream world in order to continue to fight for what is right and even Rengoku’s will to fight to his death and how that related to his mother and the struggles he had with his family and Tanjiro having to face his weakness head on when he fails to save Rengoku 4: The entire fight with Hentengu was an allegory for how Hantengu would rather blame the world for his cruel deeds seeing himself as the victim is literally depicted by him being this small fragile looking creature despite actually being a strong monster he uses his emotions to manipulate and fight people almost as if casting his Anger and Hatred unto the world cause how dare they pick on him such a small and pathetic creature surely he could do no wrong 4.5: Also gotta mention my favorite part of the fight where Tanjiro almost makes the same mistake Gyutaro did where he was willing to protect Nezuko even if it meant that the Sword Smiths would die and Hentengu might escape but being tossed into doing the right thing by Nezuko and how later Tanjiro has to reconcile with his actions during the Hashira training arc when he mentions that he’s not perfect and he needs the help of others to keep him on the right path he could have easily ended up like Gyutaro or Rui but the people he meets help him grow and stay a kind loving person it’s those connections that make him who he is Some of Demon Slayer’s story telling is in your face some of it is subtle but it’s definitely shown through the fights and character actions I didn’t even really touch on too many side characters stories and how their fighting styles also kinda reflect themselves and their stories I mean Tokito and his Mist Breathing I think are an interesting pairing the general fog clouding his past as he lost his memories and how he seems to hide his more kind and gentle nature behind the veil of his blunt stoicism which is kind of his unconscious way of acting on the memory of his brother Idk how to end this whole thing I typed out so just gonna say I hope you have a good one i’m not a fan of this particular video but I don’t disagree with everything you said but I definitely think you and the guy in the video you referenced missed some very important details and that lead to you being incorrect about some things in Demon Slayer (namely Water Breathing Disadvantage, Match Ups and, the point of the Magic System/Breathing Styles) keep making videos and if you feel as though I’m wrong or misunderstanding something I hope we can have a good discourse around it

[@Lohpezhoh]

Another great example that excels in every aspect imo as I pointed out to someone in the comment section is Meruem vs Netero from HxH. Even the narrator, which has been a point of contention and controversy, plays a great role in the fight. Nice video as always!

[@nathanschwartz240]

For real, i really love chimera ant, especially last raid with narrator. Narrator makes everything last arc more fun

[@Noctuas]

wake up babe, pey just posted a new video thanks for the upload as always :)

[@boshamburger123]

Incredible video couldn’t agree more with a lot of the points you made. Particularly about the importance of fight choreography keeping a fight timeless, another great example of this are some of the fights in cowboy bebop. While the fights do not have any of the more incredible flashy visual effects we see in anime today, they do have incredible and realistic martial arts choreography, that makes them still hold up very well. My 1 small very petty nitpick is that I think youre a little off with Toji vs Gojo. It isn’t about when Superman fell and was actually defeated. I think it is about when Toji killed talented prodigy Gojo, and in his place rose an even more fearsome being - a Superman with an inability to truly connect with the mere mortals around him.

[@MyOpinionIsInvalid]

I hate how everyone dunks on demon slayer when they are reviewing something when they barely understand anything that the show is obviously telling them. Especially the Captain Mack video. Even basic reading and listening skills would tell you why there isn't a difference. its because the attacks all come from the exact same move set, Sun breathing. Its like complaining that one type of pistol doesn't shoot completely different from the other. Additionally, all they have is swords. Its not unexpected that they all use a flurry of sword strikes as attacks. Most of the time, its all they can do.

[@pauljrechezona3126]

Thank you so much for being this up😮‍💨 Most reviews are just extremely lazy arguments. In this view he admits he didn't like demon slayer fights (even though he still enjoyed watching them) and had make a lazy analysis later on to explain why he hated demon...... demon slayer haters are usually just lazy or too dumb to analyze anything

[@pauljrechezona3126]

Captain Mack's video was like listening to a child with down syndrome.......his questions and arguments made me lose brain cells.

[@davisantos3431]

Just because there's an explanation, doesn't mean it's a good one. The show emphasizes multiple times that breathing styles are adapted to the user's ability and personality. But it's never clear how that makes any difference. That's 101 fantasy writting: every style needs a weakness.

[@pauljrechezona3126]

@@davisantos3431 don't lie yes it showed exactly how. Answer me this.....what is the difference between tengens sound breathing and shinobu's insect breathing? They CLEARLY show the differences and advantages of each breathing styles. There is a clear advantage of zentisu thunder breathing speed in contrast to water breathing easiness and defense (watch tangiro parry guytaro's blood blades) So don't come here with outright lies as an legit critique without any examples

[@davisantos3431]

@@pauljrechezona3126 Shinobu is a different case because she says she's physically weak, so it's not specific to her style. Zenitsu is also a different case because HE specifically perfected the first form to be ultra, mega, blazing, jumbo fast (despite every character looking just as fast as the other). But what is the difference between water breathing, mist breathing, wind breathing and fire breathing? If it wasn't for the visual effects you would NEVER know. What's a weakness that is specific to fire breathing? Or water breathing? There is none. It's not a problem to like the show at all, I recognize the merits even thoung I don't particularly enjoy it, but don't try to pretend like it's more than what it actually is. The story is incredibly shallow and there's a huge overreliance on flashbacks and blunt exposition. Character development is nowhere to be found: Tanjiro is exactly the same person from beginning to end, aside from physical improvements. The last season finale is 50% exposition already. In the short fight scene with Gyomei, there's a crescendo in the soundtrack that has such a huge and sharp increase in volume, I actually thought there was something wrong with my headphones. And I repeat: there's nothing wrong with a spectacle. And I respect Demon Slayer for raising the bar so much on the production aspect. But it is primarily that: a spectacle.

[@VicenteRaiol]

2:15 In college I learned that 'Good design is invisible'. People only notice design if it is bad or doesn't work. If it works as intended, the general public will never notice it. And this is true for all branches of design :D

[@phunghieu2007]

Fate appocrypha actually has one of my favorite finale fight of every anime. They really showed what would happens if either side win and both the main protagonist and villain has their own goal and character. Most bad fights are usually about characters trying to win their opponent but not what's behind. In KmY ss1, the 2 best fight are both Tanjiro trying to protect his sister so he really have a goal. But fights like one with the drum demon is just straight up a "I want to win" fight which is much less exciting.

[@kingali3058]

“While Superman has kryptonite gojo had Toji” what a badass line 😭😭

[@akamelol]

been watching your channel for a bit, quality is super consistent, will be sticking around

[@sarbe6625]

You should watch World Trigger, I think you'll like it, especially once you get to the B-rank Wars.

[@Hurricayne92]

Such an underrated show

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Such good concepts, remarkable characters and smart fights. It has serious problems with the pacing, though. Super good series, anyway.

[@sarbe6625]

@@ardidsonriente2223 The pacing is slow but imo it's not problematically slow like One Piece for example. Just about every scene (except for the one filler arc in the anime) serves a purpose in driving the narrative forward in a meaningful way. It just takes a subtler approach to it with more attention to detail. I totally get how it's not everyone's preference but that really just comes down to taste.

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

@@sarbe6625 idk, the pacing in season 1 is just pretty damn slow, even outside of possibly anime's worst filler arc (in contention with the last arc of the gantz anime). Season 2 and beyond have solid pacing though and the show really shines there. I really love that it's like the only show ever that gives us all the characters strategy on all sides before the fight. None of this pulling out a hidden trump card at the last second to make it seem more clever than it was (or at least, not often). It and Ippo are also the only anime i can think of where damage affecting how well you can fight is a thing and taking a bad hit early on can severely affect the remainder of the fight.

[@hariman7727]

@@AWanderingSwordsman It can't be worse than Naruto's "Curry of life" or cooking ninja filler.

[@kintsugi3932]

So basically, you are just talking about the series vs each other in general for the power systems/fights. Which I'm sure we agree. But, I mean, there is a reason why the Demon Slayers fight (we know which one) is considered one of the best animations of all time, they literally won awards. JJK is dope, DS isn't even in my top 5, but that fight was godly BECAUSe of UFO. JJK's fights can be more interesting, and has characters I care more about, but DS clears MAPPA's works animation/style wise, including JJK. I mean dude, UFO's fate series was considered and still is considered some of the best animated fights. UFO incorporates cgi and 2d together so well that you really don't notice. Anytime there is CGI in JJK it stands out like a sore thumb. UFO literally makes DS popular. That says a lot.

[@saltcakes]

The point of this video isn't purely about animation. Take away the amazing animation that Ufotable provides for demon slayer, and not much is left. Take away the amazing animation from JJK, and there is still a lot of substance and thought behind the fights that happen in the story. Animation does not mean everything, which is also a main point of the video lol

[@adrianherralgot4071]

great music choice

[@Mango_Ren]

random but ur voice is calming lol

[@Golden_Official100]

Your video was genuienly beautiful to watch.

[@nyankers]

My favorite fight scene by far is from Fate/Kaleid, Illya versus Saber. It probably doesn't mean as much to a random watcher, but as someone who read the original Fate/Stay Night VN and read Fate/Zero before the anime came out, it was like the author saying, "This might be a magical girl anime, but it's still Fate." There are no real deep character motivations. One character is an aggressive doll that exists to mindlessly kill, and the other just wants to survive. But it foreshadows so much.

[@Aciride]

incredible video

[@kcsupersonic1]

I think the central question that any fight scene needs to answer in its own way is, "why does this matter?" The fight itself then presents its actual argument visually as an answer to this question. The reception to any given fight scene will almost always be tied to how much the scene got us to care about what was happening on screen. The components of fight scenes talked about in a video like this one are essentially tools in the creators' toolbox and the tools they go about using to craft the scene can be utilized fully or not as much depending on what the creators' wish for the viewers to be drawn to. The fight scene in question can still be amazing even if the creators chose to not place emphasis on every tool they had at their disposal. Sometimes if you try to utilize a tool that you don't have mastery over, you can ruin the overall product by forcing yourself to include something that if utilized effectively could have added greater depth but simply wasn't. To give a picture of what I am talking about, a person can build a birdhouse with wood, nails, a saw, and a hammer. They can use these tools to craft an excellent birdhouse that serves its function well. Another person could build another great birdhouse, but also make use of a power saw, paint, screws, and wood glue. The birdhouse could end up just as great and just as functional even if there were a greater variety of tools utilized to create it. What you don't want to do is sloppily use a tool you aren't confident will help you build the birdhouse you wish to create just because you think it might add another dimension to the house if by doing so you compromise the house's overall integrity. That's the way I view a fight scene. A min maxed fight scene can often times be far better than a more well rounded fight scene that doesn't execute on every component to the same extent that the min maxed scene does on its one or two elements of focus. Theoretically if you could execute on every component at a 10/10 level then you might be able to surpass the min maxed fight scene, but I would argue the more components you seek to utilize in constructing any given scene the harder it is to give each of those components the level of focus needed to execute on them all at a 10/10 level. All of this is before even getting to the idea that different people will often care/place higher emphasis on one component of a fight scene than another (a 9/10 Viewer Experience could matter more to any individual person than a 9/10 in Directing).

[@tiosevenstars]

Perheaps the communication between the two combatant, and how well they are expressed to the audience is what I'm looking for

[@shadowcurtain]

Kakashi vs Obito is my fav fight from Naruto such a amazing fight that uses flashback in the correct way to enhance the fight compared to stuff like BNH or Kimetsu

[@owen9175]

Great video!

[@azzersub9628]

I'm 17 and ever since I have started watching anime since 10 , I have thought that the best fight scene was Obito n Kakashi , pure art , no fury of blows , every move has a meaning behind it , every whip or strike has a , I need to win I need to prove I'm right feeling behind it. And I think , it was very beautiful. no words just pure emotions and motions , each frame had their own feelings n justice in it.

[@manuelespares1506]

Imagine how many fight analysis on youtube when Gojo vs. Sukuna will be animated

[@nnamdiraphael7333]

I couldn't agree more brother 👏 choreography and plot Is very important

[@hariman7727]

Stakes is the word that's missing, which is part of plot/story in the fights.

[@jzardanimations6246]

In a future video, could you please go more in depth about each part of a fight, and what they do.

[@beleva09]

Oh man, every time in reminded of the Kakashi Obito fight i remember how absolutely amazing it is. My favorite fight in all of Naruto

[@Abdullah-fo9tk]

pey actually has the best 3am videos you could ask for

[@rektexcalibur5254]

That last line was so cool

[@ignfishiv]

I agree with a lot of your points! I do kind of wished that you touched on how Frieren did their fight scenes. got a sub from me

[@hlonidikweni1343]

LOVED LOVED LOVED THIS VIDEO.

[@diamondmasteredal]

What brings me into a fight scene is not simply the plot or good animation but the emotion behind the fight, it's especially why i love the Yuji vs Mahito fights in the Shibuya Arc.

[@kemieadewuyi]

bro is making me rethink my life choises.

[@Damian_DH]

I usually enjoy flashy fights but i forget them easily but some of the best fights i have ever seen came from an old show called samurai champloo specially kariya vs jin and mugen vs the blind girl that sht was a master piece.

[@steel5882]

Lupin clip for showing good animation was so well deserved

[@jonolivervillavert]

Never clicked on a vid faster

[@Ramanung]

Thank you

[@triplecatnip7413]

My favorite fight is Anakin vs Obi Wan from Revenge of the Sith. It has everything that you could want in a fight, it hits almost every point you listed.

[@RyanLeoo]

This was a brilliant analysis. Glad you touched on that Geto vs Toji fight cus I absolutely loved it but never saw anyone really talking about it

[@aristob642]

Please do an in depth analysis of gojo vs toji and the overall affect they had on the world and characters of the jjk verse

[@giveityourallbigman]

I realized things I subconsciously noticed but didn't know I was.

[@timothywelke2047]

The final fight of the movie Sword of the Stranger, I think, hits all of these same points to the same level

[@Nova-r6s7n]

To me the plot matters the most in a fight .. Thats why I like Aot's fights the most .. it had a genuine fear factor in it.. you'll never know whats coming, even a small mistake can change the entire story

[@malkyluh3884]

POPPED OFF

[@muthinjama]

The jjk prequel (among many others) showed that a fight scene doesn't need to be drawn out or world shattering to be great

[@SportySnake]

The stand stat cards are an amazing touch🤌

[@rydonwunali]

I've said it time and time again, the ability to merge emotion, music and action so finely tuned will always be make the most impact in terms of memorable scenes, think of the spiderman 2 train scene, countless times in boku no hero, demon slayer episode 19. I appreciate the 6 pillar system however one can note, even the no. 1, wow factor has smaller subsection to it too. So when you start to see the similarities with different fight scenes nothing phases you anymore and it's up to shows like Demon slayer to continue to extend that hype

[@honordevs]

I would have loved to see other anime, like Soul Eater, be mentioned for choreography. That show is timeless purely because of that.

[@jeolban3287]

I don't know how to explain it, but the flashback scene of JJK is the best when it comes to emotions and fight scenes. All of JJK is "just fine" for me, but that flashback arc was great.

[@darix_3944]

It's yuta ka nakamura choreo fight scene of 1st episode on soul rather, maka vs Jack the reaper. The camera angle transition is on point and fun to watch.