The Difference between Grindcore and Powerviolence (w/ Guitar Covers)

[@rafaelgutierrez6275]

1:09 I always loved this quirk of Powerviolence, the "angry coach" vocals

[@themeaningsoflivesasacat]

hahaha right on!

[@bradencolaner4811]

Splendid video. I would also add that pv is known for having sludgy parts, especially later pv

[@k-chill8428]

I think it's closer to say that grind came from both crust punk AND metal (since Napalm Death, Carcass all had their roots in the former but drew heavily on the latter) whereas Powerviolence came more from hardcore...and grind of course, since that was already around haha. But great vid anyway. That Insect Warfare riff is indeed sick.

[@themeaningsoflivesasacat]

Fair enough,thx for that! You are right, of course; there are so many nuances to each genre. Personally, I think that "genres" are a pretty dull concept in the first place, and I really don't like it when people create bands with the intent of sounding like a certain period of punk in a certain area-that's pretty uncreative. From my experience, genre designations make sense in hindsight, e.g., even a small town can have its own style of music. It's pretty awesome to see such things in person.. yep, and it's still happening in 2024. Sometimes we focus too much on the dinosaurs; that's why I included the band MARTØ from France. Over there, you can see an awesome development of grind and PV: Lovve, Jodie Faster, Whorse Nation, Warfuck, Failure (i guess they are from Italy though)... you name it. Basically, the Lixiviat-Crew! Czech had a similar "scene" at some point. I love such things! :) Cheers

[@themeaningsoflivesasacat]

@@diydylana3151 Really interesting thoughts! Thx

[@Jack_Rivet]

@@diydylana3151 Good points. It's worth mention that Side A and Side B also had major lineup changes due to a) artistic/interpersonal differences and b) they were just goddamn teenagers at the time, a fact everyone forgets because they made such an impact But I still love the story that Napalm Death's sonic palette was expanded by postpunk and proto-industrial influences because their girlfriends were making them listen to Joy Division and Killing Joke

[@GVLSCH]

but. grindocore didnt emerge from metal. Napalm Death started as a crust punk band and a large part of early grind came from punk scenes. I feel a better wording would be that Grindcore has stronger metal influences while PV is strictly just punk.

[@themeaningsoflivesasacat]

One could argue, that early crust punk/grind emerged from early metal AND punk. Concrete Sox, Repulsion, Nasum, Electro Hippies (in a way) and so on. Nothing is bipolar. :) But yeah, you're right!

[@tanerth]

I totally agree. Actually, Grindcore has punk roots blended with death metal, whereas Powerviolence originated from punk with thrash metal, hardcore, and crossover influences.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Not sure how old you are but I recall thrashcore as another term a lot of powerviolence bands got lumped under back when Charles Bronson and Nasum were active; but also that the boundaries between thrashcore and grindcore were ill-defined and that powerviolence was often applied to a lot of bands that were on the boundary. PV was usually more frantic, kinda like they were mixing in Mohinder and Angel Hair elements and less metal influences, but they weren't as intentionally arty as the bands with Spock haircuts. Magrudergrind blurred the boundaries further when they started releasing stuff and nowadays there's all sorts bands that mix the more metallic elements with the more chaotic punky elements. Benumb stayed punky without becoming PV. There's kind of a whole glut of '90s hardcore that isn't crust, isn't emo, isn't metalcore but combines heaviness and frantic chaotic vibes.

[@themeaningsoflivesasacat]

In Austria (or Europe, I guess) we used to call everything fastcore - no matter if it was emo, screamo, pv and so on. I did not know the term powerviolence until I heard Magruder. My metal friends did not like fastcore too much; Napalm Death was consent. haha Thanks for input!

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@themeaningsoflivesasacat It's interesting how regional things used to be, and how that made local scenes less prone to embracing microgenres. A cluster of very different sounding bands might all just call themselves punk or hardcore. Now we'd be more likely to insist on placing them into different microgenres. Thanks for the great content as always.

[@drpibisback7680]

Generally I've seen Thrashcore used as a kind of "in-between" for Hardcore and Powerviolence, particularly as "Hardcore" got increasingly metal-damaged in the 90's and started to be more known for chuggy metallic riffs rather than just extreme speed power-chording. Thrashcore is like early DRI and other shit that's really fast punk but doesn't quite have the slow parts and stop-start PV tricks (hence why it gets applied to bands like Charles Bronson, who never really had slow parts the same way Man is the Bastard or Spazz did).

[@spiderface7215]

wow such a helpful video! you are my favorite music youtuber right now!

[@NJHC60926]

The difference doesn't matter, they both fuckin rule.

[@Evolution_Always_Wins]

I love how the diversity of these genres come together eventually regarless of politics. Its powerful af. I love both genres. Good video CHEERS

[@dosedone]

I tend to.like the Super fast snack type parts that is mince.right? Regardless its all swell just particular type hits all the right spots

[@Jack_Rivet]

This is all highly academic, but I do agree that Powerviolence is more punk in nature and Grind is ever so slightly more metal I do recall someone saying their rationale for their PV band was to be more metal than metal without any of the macho limitations. None of the dress code etc. That said, PV has its own dress code and macho bullshit now, so look how that worked out Side note: nearly 25 years ago I remember seeing an Australian 'emoviolence' band close out the set of incredibly right-on songs with a note perfect cover of Slayer's Raining Blood

[@ilyasnamozov2914]

Check out Insuiciety, a sludge crust band from 00s

[@garrobos90]

Nice video. What tunning are you using in the guitar?

[@mauroslayer]

Grindviolence

[@AudibleFist]

So what’s the title of the wormrot song?

[@sawyer_Benton]

I find the Pv to sound more Grindy and the GC to sound more powerciolencey

[@CatDynastyMeow]

More powerviolence...

[@kushcreep442]

good video