THE DIFFICULTY OF FINAL DOOM

Final Doom is very hard. Released in 1996 with the Doom 2 megawads TNT Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment, Final Doom polarized many fans. Plutonia in particular is the hardest official Doom IWAD, but how do TNT and Plutonia stack up today? This Final Doom PC game review will answer that. #Doom #Plutonia #TNTEvilution

[@ZuluRomeo]

Cyberden is basically a short story in game form about the player being forced to take part in increasingly rigged gladiatorial fights, getting roughed up by the big boss's goons in between the bouts, and facing an angry audience of revenants at the end when all the champions are defeated.

[@SoldierOfFate]

Continuing from Cyberden, Go 2 It is basically a giant mosh pit of Hell's highest mafia hierarchies all ganging up on the Doomguy at once.

[@HeffboomKonijn]

No mention of Plutonia MAP11: Hunted? An entire maze full of Arch-Viles is terrifying and keeps ya on your toes. love that map

[@Dollar_Store_Cacodemon]

Yeah very surprised he made no comment on that one. It's arguably Plutonia's most infamous map!

[@SableDrakon]

Toes is an understatement... Door fighting those pricks is enough to make me beyond paranoid.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

I absolutely despise that map. Arch Viles are the worst.

[@SableDrakon]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf it's better than Chasm or Downtown. If someone as bungling as me can pistol-start it on UV, it's not a complete nightmare. Just mostly.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

I disagree. Maze maps are my least favorite and Arch Viles are my most detested NPC.

[@evdestroy5304]

Dario went on to work on Half Life. That's insane!

[@FPMedia_]

The Casali Brothers are absolute legends.

[@SableDrakon]

And his brother works for Microsoft

[@bluebay0]

@@SableDrakon Microsoft is a meme

[@jeremyabbott4537]

yeah you can tell its him because his locker at Black Mesa is full of Revenants

[@bluebay0]

@@jeremyabbott4537 Those Revenants Civvie let loose are now in the dungeon with him.

[@blakeherbert3623]

2:48 I've been trying to get a death metal band started and I definitely want to name it Archvile

[@FPMedia_]

Dude! Great name. I think Odyssey of Noises us pretty badass too.

[@reloadpsi]

I used to name my Guitar Hero save The Cacobastards :D

[@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic]

I stole the name of my musical project from E4M6 hahaha! I feel you man.

[@manreal]

You should name it Barons of Hell

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

I love Final Doom. Especially Plutonia. There are two custom wads that you could consider sequels to Final Doom. One is called TNT Revolution, the other is Plutonia 2. They are very good, and I recommend you try them

[@majamystic256]

Isn't Icarus the sequel to TNT because was originally called TNT 2 at one point even though it came out a few months before TNT due to TNT getting delayed because of it becoming part of Final Doom

[@Samm0th]

Plutonia 2 it's amazing

[@NSturm451]

TNT: Revilution is one of the best .wads ever IMO and actually far better than the original.

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

@@NSturm451 I agree 100%

[@NKWittmann]

​@@NSturm451 man I had forgotten about it and had to look it up but I instantly recognized all the levels it is great and so is Plutonia 2 both are more up to date compared to the originals

[@kapparomeo]

11:52 - in all honestly? I quite like that effect. You can see that the toxic sludge is muddying up the water course downstream of clean water.

[@rohitchaoji]

Now I'm a totally amateur mapper, but I would personally have made a bordering sector around each area the toxic sludge is pouring into and turned the floor texture to toxic sludge as well, just to give it a "puddle" sort of aesthetic. Liquids coming into contact with other liquids tend to diffuse in that way.

[@jordanfellows7455]

Currently playing through TNT Evilution on Ultra Violence... man it's a step up in difficulty from original Doom :')

[@doramilitiakatiemelody1875]

And doom II

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Try it with Project Brutality 💀

[@doramilitiakatiemelody1875]

@SuperSoldier66 TNT comes first

[@shikouji]

Im doing that now started yesterday, i gotta say wormhole was a trip. i just hit level 8 though so keen to keep ploughing through it. how did your run through go?

[@shikouji]

@SuperSoldier66 i just got through stronghold then, mannnnnnnnnnnn i was not ready for the hitscan.

[@SuperLlama42]

The problem with your Super Mario analogy is that Nintendo would be infinitely more likely to toss you seventeen C&D notices and a court summons before they ever tossed you a single dollar.

[@expendableround6186]

And then nintendon’t steals your work and calls it their own.

[@UltimaJC]

I don't really like Plutonia all that much but I will be a TNT apologist until the end of time

[@MerlynMusicman]

TNT had style, Plutonia seemed much more about technical set pieces.

[@slumdoggaming1062]

Finally someone talking in depth about TNT. Hope you do a video on both playstation Doom 1-2 and Final Doom. Keep up the good work.

[@doomdoomerson6524]

Good Call... I'm waiting on anyone to do an in depth comparrison and review of the differences between DooM64 and D64D2.wad .

[@expendableround6186]

A shame that CV-11 got lazy in that regard.

[@Rountree1985]

@@expendableround6186 or you know, he just doesn’t want to make a video on that.

[@forgettablePyromaniac]

I agree that TNT is very fucky in some places, and that Plutonia is hellish in it's design, but they both have their place as being part of final doom. TNT is more-so the types of maps that I, myself would most likely create (mostly singular fights, with the occasional arena), while Plutonia is basically a Massochist's dream (At least on UV) I, myself, have completed every single commercial wad on HMP, and I can say that every map has it's own design quirks and issues, but overall- are all fun and should be attempted at least once.

[@Anomaly188]

TNT had so many guys on the dev team that it inevitably meant the mapmaking talent would be all over the place.

[@spacepirate1449]

Not really. There are a lot projects with lots of mappers involved like 32in24 that r good

[@Anomaly188]

@@spacepirate1449 Yeah, but this was made in 1995 using either the DEU or DETH editors before the GNU Source Code release and before modders fully figured out the engine. All Team TNT really had for inspiration was Doom, Doom 2, and maybe map packs from The Innocent Crew and Dr. Sleep. And that last one isn't a sure bet because of how primitive the internet was in the early 90s.

[@NrGDime]

I like that 3/5 of the maps you choose for TNT at its best is Casali brother maps. I think thats telling enough why Plutonia is the more revered of the two sets in influence and plain old consistency. Enjoyed the video!

[@america-san]

The hardest part of TNT is trying not to die of boredom.

[@PS-cf9lc]

Cough cough *map 11* cough cough

[@alphachestnut]

@@PS-cf9lc if you're talking about the Archvile maze then that's not a TNT map

[@PS-cf9lc]

@@alphachestnut no i am talking about TNTs map 11. It's boring :/

[@alphachestnut]

@@PS-cf9lc oh it’s been a while since I played TNT so I don’t remember it

[@pauls4522]

@@PS-cf9lc I kind of like map 11. It is relatively short and was one to try to make a reallife like area.

[@KluorpivhlanderP]

I Just absolutely love how Plutonia looks overall, especially early on.. That white, grayish sky, old mossy, vine areas with brown & gray bricks, accompanied with abandoned tech.. Really unique.. The new textures works wonders on that one, in my opinion! Grew up with Doom 2, love that game, holds special place in me lol... Some levels are definitely more surreal, abstract, but that's very charming & nice, and good in it's own way!! Plutonia's feels quite realistic, most 'coherent' in a visual sense of all classic Doom games i'v played, even more so than TNT, despite later one recreating actual real-life onjects, trucks, interior. etc... Just how i feel...

[@doomdoomerson6524]

I love it... Plutonias not that hard after a few playthroughs...of each level... On pistol start on u.v. TNT gets a bad rep. Yeah it's got its big and small flaws but what wad doesn't??

[@V2ULTRAKill]

I'd say Si6il is nearly perfect But its also John Romeros masterpiece so it probably shouldnt count

[@expendableround6186]

If you ask me, those who readily tell you TNT is bad haven’t played the Master Levels. Now *those* levels straight-up _suck._

[@tomspice73]

IT is very hard, I have attempted abbatoire 40 Tímes, Still havent finished. But I save once a map, only, on UV

[@VaderTheWhite]

I will always feel great pride when I beat "Go 2 It" on UV. I was actually at my best friend's house and we fucking jumped up and down when I did it.

[@FPMedia_]

Congrats! That is a tough level for sure

[@VaderTheWhite]

@@FPMedia_ easily the hardest I've ever beaten

[@Ashurion-Neonix]

@@VaderTheWhite I never really found go 2 it to be hard, just long. Slayer, impossible mission, temple of darkness, and bunker are the ones that really gave me a hard time.

[@VaderTheWhite]

@@Ashurion-Neonix tbh, I pistol started "Go 2 It" and haven't done much of Plutonia, mostly cause I can't stand the stupidly large amounts of hitscanners

[@Ashurion-Neonix]

@@VaderTheWhite I've played maps with more hitscanners. I said played, not beaten.

[@jasonmarcus6940]

Loving these vids man you’ve earned a subscriber...and other than a few TNT maps I have mostly fond memories of Final Doom. Difficult at the time? Yes it was but now with wads you can download like Chillax and Sunder, Final Doom’s difficulty just pales in comparison. However I must digress and say that without Final Doom we might not have gotten all the amazing megawads we can enjoy today.

[@sleepyoufool1]

yo these 3 videos covering doom, doom 2 and final doom were awesome.

[@VinzRex]

Great video! I really liked the way you approached Final Doom and although I disagree with your judgement of some maps (such as The Death Domain or Go 2 It) I agree with your overall conclusion and your opinion of the WADs as a whole! I am grateful for everyone who puts their heart and hard work into keeping the Classic Doom games alive, because they are probably my favourite franchise of all time.

[@MatthewLee-fo3me]

Maybe it's just me but I actually really like Plutonia's Tombstone map. Something about navigating a massive labyrinth full of enemies and a whole variety of rooms and challenges. It's the same reason why I love The Citadel from Doom 2.

[@DTM1337]

Great review, I recently completed both of these on UV difficulty as hadn't really played these since I was a kid, felt like a great achievement after completing, really good gameplay at parts

[@axtrifonov]

Doom is the only game i play hardcorely so i like both these wads. I especially like that large city map. "Don't like large maps? Play Doom 3 then."

[@Gurra88]

Zero Master finished Plutonia on Nightmare in one go without dying once. He's fucking insane.

[@THEMASKEDBEVERAGE]

Zero Master is not human. He's a slayer a heart

[@jasonmarcus6940]

Zero Master is Doomguy in gamer form. It’s literally the only explanation for how good he is at EVERY Doom game.

[@OmegaPaladin144]

@@jasonmarcus6940 Either that, or he becomes Vega in the future.

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

@@OmegaPaladin144 zeromaster: 'I see now I am father'

[@reptongeek]

And then an even bigger madlad completed it NM100S style

[@feliperojas-doomride]

map 20 from TNT is not only excesively long, but the music track is very short, so it keeps repeating itself throughout the level and makes it feel even more like an eternity. Everytime I play that map it physically makes me feel sick

[@maximummatt73]

That outdoor part is absolutely MASSIVE

[@AphoticDoom]

This video was amazing. Time to go finish Plutonia. (I'm on the part where you said it starts to suck) I haven't played TNT Evilution in 18 years and I remember not liking it. I was going to play through it again but after watching this....I may just play the maps you recommended.

[@jonnyronnyguy]

I lost my sanity and marbles when I made it through the last 5 maps of The Plutonia Experiment on UV difficulty. I started singing Tina Turner's 'We dont need another hero' but changed it to 'We need another hero'.

[@Twintania]

11:50 actually i think thats kind of cool looking like sewage or toxic waste being dumped into the water

[@tehrobotjesus]

I'm oddly bothered by the texturing smoothing. I like my DOOM with sharp, blocky textures. :(

[@SRGIProductions]

I make my GZDoom look like Crispy Doom.

[@TheRexTera]

Am I the only one in the universe that loves massive exploration-vania levels. My favorite WAD that I played was Knee Deep In ZDoom that is a remake of the first episode of Doom 1 only with way more complex level design. Some levels need up to 6 different keys and a crap ton of switch hunting to solve. Not as crazy as Hexen, but close.

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

TNT starts off fine, but its middle and end are very spotty, littered with mostly bore-fests with the occasional good map here or there.

[@TheSurrealBoye]

The only thing that TNT got wrong with MAP23: Lunar Mining Project was that they didn't change the soundtrack for it.

[@michaelbuehler3897]

This has been the best review I have seen on these map packs.

[@johnlewisbrooks]

The space backdrop remains as my desktop theme since 1996. Insane.

[@HikingFeral]

Just manage to get Brutal doom and all of the vanilla wads and addons working on Ubuntu so I am excited for these old games all over again lol.

[@gregor1O1]

Maps 12 and 15 are my absolute favorite in Plutonia. I love the atmosphere, level layout, the secrets and how they flow in general. Weird just how much tastes can differ.

[@clinteastwood6875]

I know…I loved playing twilight. It’s compact, challenging and fast paced. Also the secrets are perfect.

[@AphoticDoom]

I am doing a playthrough of Final Doom right now and KZbin recommended this video to me. I am 90 seconds into it and I am super intrigued. Good thing I got my coffee with me!

[@sharoyveduchi]

Going from Map 20 to Map 21 only to be greeted with hitscanners on three sides and an imp in the front made me search up for a TNT review and I landed here. Good to see I wasn't being too sensitive about those maps.

[@KurtisC93]

Oof, Storage Facility a throwaway? Up to that point, you and I were in almost complete accord. I also enjoy Go 2 It. Overall, great video! Final Doom never really got the recognition that it deserved, so it's good to see people giving its two WADs a second look.

[@onnol917]

Best old school doom exp I had. Pistol start on ultra violence every level in plutonia and tnt. Lovely puzzles

[@Jolietisbased]

Congo plutonia=running around in circles from revenant homing missiles after trying to get the crocket launcher

[@sonicdoommario]

Funny you mention Map09 as your favorite Plutonia map, I personally don't have an issue with that map until the final room in the level. It's a pretty easy room to die in for the wrong reasons. You have Chaingunners on one end of the room, Imps on two ends, and then a Mancubus in each corner to surround you with no good spot to hide or pick them off, so wherever you stand you're going to take significant damage. Even worse is the thin circular walkway around the exit, giving you little room to avoid the enemies and there's no way out of the pits if you fall off, IMO it brings down the level with it.

[@lucaspeixesanto5105]

11:41 i think it really looks nice and gives the feel of a water getting toxic, anyway nice vid

[@FischerFan]

What's wrong with Plutonia level 23, Tombstone? It has a great variety of rooms and monsters waiting in ambush. The player has to watch out for that pond which has the platforms that lower and both of which contain one arch-vile and three revenants!

[@ricardog4173]

Fantastic analysis. I basically agree with each and every point you mentioned. I do, however, missed you talking about my favorite map on TNT: MAP29 - River Styx. What do you think of it? Just mediocre? And by the way, have you got a chance to play the Wad Sunder? Even though it's like 100 times harder than Plutonia, some of the maps are absolutely art, which the best aesthetic and architectonic build I have ever seen.

[@maximummatt73]

River Styx is awesome looking, a true Hell map

[@nmn5550]

"If I ever started a band I'd wanna name it Plutonia. It's such an fckin awesome word." M'man, for that statement, Subscribers ++

[@IcarusSuite]

I'm in shock there was not a single mention to that archville maze map.

[@anthonygange2550]

Maybe someone can help me I am trying to play doom 64 final doom and duke nukem on original hardware with an hdmi adapter and the picture is too dark to play what do I do any help will appreaciated

[@Snavels]

15:28 which is why the game sends you to the beginning by killing and not resetting you to the first platform. Sending you to the beginning lends a better chance of the player noticing it

[@dftfire]

20:35 "Getting the blue-key in Aztec". Yeah, I had the PlayStation version of "Final DOOM" and if the four Arachnotrons all start firing their plasma in that room the framerate t-a-n-k-s to around 10fps or even lower!

[@wwld9823]

The thing is, doom and by extension idTech 1 are so malleable you can produce pretty much infinite content with it, we haven't ran out of doom for 27 years and there is no sign of it ever being the case, the perfect balance of weapons and enemies leads to infinite replayability coupled with the extensive source ports, mods and multiplayer matches doom is eternal

[@WPFreeinternet]

I utterly agree with the massive maps in TNT. They weren't as enjoyable and just took so long to complete. When you said the lowest of lows the first thing that came up to my head was the final hit scan room with elevated monsters in Metal. Easily one of the worst levels in TNT. Sad that such levels mar the mega WAD because there are plenty of fun levels and some awesome new music in it. The one that plays in Human BBQ is very catchy.

[@MisledDan]

Is there any info on what modifications id made to the TNT wad upon acquiring it? Aside from adding in the two secret maps, it really seems as if the whole thing was rushed--if the botched yellow key placement in Level 31 is any indication. Until watching, I never knew that the Casali brothers designed those two maps and really helps to explain why they have such a drastically different feel compared to the rest of the game. Caribbean in particular has a vibe to it much more akin to many Plutonia maps.

[@riffbw]

I generally hate Final DooM, but I didn't play it when I was younger and my reflexes aren't the best. I really appreciate what these WADs do, but when they are bad, they are are really bad. Plutonia was too hard for me and I didn't get to the point where the maps dropped off. TNT lost me with the bad maps. But we can't overstate how good the Casali brothers were and are. They went on the have careers in the industry based solely on how well they designed these maps.

[@Mike14264]

I once thought about learning how to make mods for Doom, just so I could make a game about someone going postal, starting at their workplace, smashing their computer and the entire workspace, using only they're rage-enpowered fists to get rid of anything in their path. Does that count as having berserk on the first map?

[@SaturnineXTS]

You should totally cover the Doom The Way id Did wads.

[@SaturnineXTS]

Final Doom The Way id Did is being created too if I'm not mistaken, but is still not finished. Wads like Plutonia Revisited Community Project, Plutonia 2 or TNT2: Revilution might interest you too, though :D

[@reinhartsieger6588]

Isnt the berserker only available until the end of the level where you found it?

[@wynandnieuwoudt3421]

Can somebody PLEASE Help me, to set up my keyboard + mouse in FINAL DOOM! I want to use scroll wheel up and down to change weapons; keypad 2=backwards, 8=forward, 4=move/strafe left and 6=move/strafe right and mouse must not influence movement? PLEASE HELP!

[@expendableround6186]

Try using PRBoom+.

[@Robin-lg6mz]

Nice 👍

[@lordabortion2172]

I had it on ps1 and on the inside of the booklet you could get a magnifying glass and see the code for the last board

[@victoriancu5661]

I actually beat all of Plutonia before TNT because I got frustrated with the TNT level design. I actually didn’t find plutonia to be harder. Even though it can be annoying when every key spawns a massive monster closet, it doesn’t throw that many hit scanners at you in open spaces. You can always find cover or dodge the attacks of the larger demons. The only maps I found real trouble with were 30 and 32. The rest I would grind for a few hours until I could memorize the monster spawns and make a strategy for a full level run. A few of them I even survived the first time through, or beat in only a couple tries. Those were the most tightly designed maps in my opinion, and the most fair. In TNT however, the first 3 maps were pretty easy, but after that it’s just annoying level design. Either tight spaces with hit scanners spawning behind you without warning, or open spaces where hit scanners are in groups and can snipe you. You are often at the mercy of rng. Didn’t get past map 8 before stopping, since I thought the levels were garbage. Maybe I’ll get back to it when I run out of content

[@adrijanvuckovic1004]

hey man cool vid

[@FPMedia_]

Thank you sir

[@avebave6550]

Final Doom is definitive Doom for me, which is kind of sad because Plutonia and TNT don't have any original map makers doing the levels. It's just 64 maps of fun difficult shit. And yes I love TNT, I feel bad for how much hate it gets. Some levels do suck but it creates a super nice atmosphere and truly adventurous huge levels

[@Grease-Goblin]

Just finished both TNT Evilution and Plutonia recently, and I had a pretty good time. Ultimately, I don't think they deserve their reputations. Like, ANY of the reputations associated with them, really. Their difficulty seems exaggerated, their quality isn't too wide, their worst maps aren't that bad, the secrets aren't that obtuse, they're neither the most nor the least fun I've had with Doom, none of that. Their best maps are pretty cool, and I think that Go 2 It is a decent challenge, but especially in 2022, the standards are so far past where they were when Final Doom released that, without having the experience of playing them while new, they don't stand out in most any way. Hunted was pretty fun.

[@atifarshad7624]

Agreed. TNT's "shittiness" and Plutonia's "machochistic difficulty" are exaggerated. Especially in Plutonia's case. While the levels in Plutonia are definitely harder on average compared to Doom 2's or TNT's, the hardest maps are not a lot harder than the hardest maps of Doom 2/TNT. Speaking as someone who has beaten all of Plutonia's maps on UV with pistol starts and without saves, I had a harder time beating Doom 2's Barrels O'Fun than most of Plutonia's maps (apart from Abatoire, Speed and Anti-Christ).

[@Amadeo790]

For some reason, my first level of evilution at UV+ has a cyber demon

[@expendableround6186]

More effort was put into the first half of your Final DOOM analysis than Civvie 11 put into his barely-even five minute TNT refusal rant. Good work!

[@Silvreina]

on the last TNT map i just play with Project Brutality to jump down then walk straight to the other end before then scaling it lmao

[@sandroilpelato7153]

Your game looks much clearer than mine Are you using Gz doom ? what are your graphic settings ?

[@plats5837]

Hey FrozenParticle if you do now know but there are 50X harder wads than Plutonia and TNT. Like for example one of my favorite hardest wads is Sunder. Would you maybe do review on that wad ?

[@VHUNTERX]

I agree bro. I finished TNT Evolution about 3 hours!! And now I playing Plutonia. TNT is more harder than Plutonia, but both are good games!! Good video.

[@illyay1337]

I think you'll see that Plutonia is way harder than TNT lol.

[@maximummatt73]

Holy shit clocked TNT in just 3 hours!??!?!?!? Not bad man

[@illyay1337]

Yeah I usually take for ever to play through tnt because it has the kind of levels that make you want to explore everything. Plutonia is more of a slaughter fest. When I was a kid and played the dos version with keyboard only I got far in tnt. The only thing that stopped me was getting lost in the levels. Whereas plutonia kicked my ass the entire time. I gave up on Aztec lol. I later discovered mouse look and was able to beat plutonia without cheats. So I definitely don’t see how TNT is harder than Plutonia. To me TNT is more of an adventure that’s slightly harder than doom 2 while plutonia is a bunch of slaughter maps.

[@SilverMiner]

11:53 I think this is the best map in tnt cuz it has these sfalls. Yes, I would want to play this if I had time

[@mrllamaton1873]

TNT: Kinda hard at beginning, later it is hard As fuck, Plutonia: Hard as hell throughout

[@fazdolanguygaming117]

Narrator: TNT and plutonia are hard as fuck Me: USES CHEATS

[@adeelqureshy573]

Will this release on the App Store for I phone? I just wrapped Doom & Doom 2 couple months back. I play this on my laptop but the graphics are shit. My laptop might be outdated. I bought it in 2017.

[@CrudusViscus]

"Even if you dewy explore the rest of the map..."

[@Ike12]

Here are the difficulties I always play on in Doom games The Ultimate Doom Ultraviolence Doom 2 Ultra violence Chex quest 1-3 Gobs of goo Final Doom TNT Ultraviolence Final Doom plutonia Ultraviolence Heretic Black plague possesses thee Hexen Don't know Hexen death Kings of the dark Citadel Don't know Strife Elite Hacx Whatever The equivalent of ultraviolence is

[@maltardraco9555]

Archmage (Mage class) is my favourite difficulty in Hexen. If I recall only certain monsters are affected by the FASTMONSTERS tag in this Nightmare equivalent but the monsters that do turn into bloody machine gunners. Serpents, Slaughtaurs and Reivers will not stop shooting at you making playing as a Warrior or a Cleric without mana basically impossible, and Wendigos get frags when their projectiles hit anything meaning they can often hit you behind walls. This difficulty combined with the Mage's wand turns the whole game into a pew pew pew slugfest making it feel more like DOOM but with insta-kill pitfalls.

[@Antiparticle1701]

No mention of the missing Yellow Key in Pharaoh? To this day I don't understand how id released a commercial product containing a bug like that. Back then a lot of players were just never able to beat the map, I imagine.

[@xX_Lol6_Xx]

Awesome video, aam, I don't want to sound rude, but, can you please scale the status bar? I can't help it, I like the big status bar.

[@spd-kv6sd]

Am I the only one, who actually likes Habitat? This map simply has an identity, it being the way doors open! I personally love the idea of doors working that way! Maybe I would do something like that, but maybe in a not that ugly of a map. Yet I always go everywhere on every map, so that doesn't bother me in the maps at all. I love maps that are one of the kind!

[@lonecolamarine]

From the sound of it… They had some fire maps but felt that it would be too short or wouldn’t feel “official” if it was under 20 maps. Plutonia’s problem sounds like they learned a lot about design but felt that “episode 2” couldn’t be shorter than EP 1. All and all, in spite of my warnings, once I sharpen up a bit, I’ll probably be giving Doom “3” a try.

[@mariowario5945]

Am I wrong to really like tnt map 11?

[@victoriancu5661]

I completely missed the point of wormhole lol. Just exited the level normally lol. I feel like TNT often is as difficult as the player chooses to make it. For example, on level 3, you can make it to the exit, but you still haven’t used one of the keys. I was curious and wanted to explore, only to find the hardest part of the level withheld. (I died btw and got frustrated lol)

[@ditmarvanbelle1061]

This stuff seriously kicks ass in multiplayer coop though... Because quite often when one of us triggers a trap, my kid is nearby inthe same area and the situation suddenly becomes way more strategic than it has any right to be. Get rekt? No problem -- respawn & go go go Good times!

[@robbiefazle7802]

Love this game on Steam.

[@kaydog2450]

Final doom was good challenging yeah sure on the final level of plutonia experiment you can be killed by an enemy spawn egg even with god mode enabled i think its the same for TNT evilution if anyone whos played them i highly recommend you check out the spawn egg death while god mode is active

[@AJXTHEWALL]

plutonia is my favourite doom iwad. i played on HMP and i beat it on the switch port in 3 days and it was good.

[@ToaGatanuva]

Mt. pain is actual pain. But somehow, I love it

[@zsombor_99]

11:09 TNT E2M2 is one of my favourite maps! The wide open spaces with some water, the interesting underground water corridors and... I just really like it! 😏 06:10 TNT E0M7 ‒ Too big?? Take this statement back, I like this map! 06:55 TNT E2M7 is another one of my favourite maps! Energetic music, interesting underground-feeling places, then the map suddenly becomes a huge open area with interesting details! 😏 07:39 TNT E1M5 is another good one, the kinda circular design and the interior areas in the centre of the open space... I like to shoot monsters on this map. 17:45 Plutonia E0M2 ‒ the weird deep ass pit before the end... Uhh... Weird... 26:27 Plutonia E2M8 ‒ it's a nice open map, but it's a same I usually get tired and quit the game earlier when I play just for fun, so I usually didn't reach it. 😑 Yes, I like more maps from TNT than from Plutonia, but it is what it is ‒ Plutonia is still an enjoyable wad, but the maps have more tight spaces in general (in my opinion).

[@ducklabsgaming4676]

You gotta turn some of that smoothing off man! Those enemy sprites etc are not supposed to look all smeared like that! Overall lighting looks washed out and too bright too. You can get it looking way, way nicer than this!

[@xcel9988]

I want to say that while I understand why this situation caused disappointment, it's not *entirely* accurate to say they got "bought out." Team TNT were offered a publication deal, and... well, they weren't gonna say "no," which was on option. Quite frankly, it's hard for me to imagine what mapper was gonna say "no" to John Romero, so I don't entirely think the outrage was fair. As for the review, I can't imagine what about Map 9 of TNT makes it a highlight for anyone, personally. It does have a ton of demons, but they are almost all hitscan enemies. "More of a bloodbath than surviving the enemies" is pretty much the exact opposite feelings I had. Maybe it's because I was pistol srarting after each death, but it's easily one of the worst maps for me. I don't have much to say about the Plutonia Experiment portion of the review, aside from not understanding how "Speed" is dragged out when the actual flow of the map is kind of in the name. I also agree with the assessment that fights generally require strategy, and make them "puzzle-like", but using the end of Map 16: The Omen is quite honestly the worst example somebody could have used to highlight that, since it is literally just a room filled with hitscanners 😂. The reasons you dislike Bunker are also pretty funny, since, from what I can tell, they're essentially the same reasons you like Stronghold in TNT. Also, nice playing GZDOOM with default settings. I have seen normie streamers that don't have texture filtering enabled, and even if you couldn't find the setting, you could play on any port that makes the game look better than whatever you played it on to record. Among the worst looking footage I have ever seen of the game.

[@fool_uto3545]

I gotta say I think tnt is more fun to play, but plutonia is an overall challenge deal.

[@bulldozer6781]

The Plutonia Experiment, in my opinion, has some fantastic action. It is easily my favorite out of the classic Doom franchise. TNT isn't all that shabby either, honestly. The secret map "Go 2 It" (Plutionia, map 32) is just so fun to me, with its hordes of enemies, and considerable difficulty (for the time, anyways. Nowadays, the community has made things that are much tougher.) the clever use of enemies is impressive for the time (using unkillable Arch-Viles to make immortal chaingunners), and quite frankly, I enjoy the amount of effort out into making it so difficult. Although, maybe I'm just a masochist.

[@chicomememes287]

2:48 damn i had the same idea

[@bradhedgehog12]

Yeah. On go to it oh man even on I’m too young to die skill that lvl has a mass load of monsters. Sheesh!

[@letsplaydemgaimz160]

How do you get a smooth look on your Final Doom game? I have a high-end PC. Your game looks much nicer overall.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

To be honest, i enjoyed TNT, at least the first half. The last half was nothing special but at least it makes the job just fine, and i especially like the music... man.... it even manages to surprass many of the soundtracks composed by ID imo..... but Plutonia and Master levels? Fuc it.... having to listen to the same soundtrack over and over again while completing levels that put the limitations of the Doom engine on evidence is just awful.

[@metalngames509]

The reason I hated Pharaoh was because the initial launch of the map was broken... Literally. They forgot to place the key in the room necessary to beat the level (Actually I think it was mistakenly marked as a multiplayer item). So you couldn't beat the level without cheating. Thankfully though there was a patch for it released by TNT which I had to download separately for the wad. Of course had I known what Slade was I would have just patched it myself. That is unless you stand on that linedef of the chair where you were to hit the hidden switch without needing to reveal it. But you still can't 100% the map.

[@fool_uto3545]

Yo FP, my xbox came today, I'm installing doom 2016 right now. Bout to have my first even play/playthrough ever. I'm gonna record what I can.im so fucking pumped. I have a copy of eternal right next to me bufi wanna do 2016 first.

[@gamingwithryan2.071]

yo,what’s your gamer tag?I have no friends that like doom

[@fool_uto3545]

@@gamingwithryan2.071 I don't have stable internet yet, when I get payed next friday I should have it, I'll let ya know whenever I'm good, I have few friends as well,and none who play doom.

[@gamingwithryan2.071]

@@fool_uto3545 ok

[@fool_uto3545]

@@gamingwithryan2.071 chrizmatic6986

[@1891kmk]

Wow remember playing plutonia first tome ever thinking u can fly through the first level like the other doom games ummm nooo didn’t work out so good

[@Mike1064ab]

What’s really bad is that jumping puzzle you have to run through before the door closes at the end. So annoying.