The Dishonest Downfall of Neace

[@louis-wz7vy]

as an iron player i really appreciate you advertising selling smurfs, that way i can practice with people that have literally no reason to be in my elo other than feeding their really unstable self worth 👍👍 edit: (guys relax, I'm not actually thinking that the games I lose are because of smurfs, nor do I encounter many/any; I just thought the concept of selling smurfs while talking about bad business practices was a bit funny)

[@AceofArcadia]

for real. can't take this whole video seriously because of that

[@dreylegend3459]

you said it bo same here, way to void a whole vid with one sentence

[@gnoomlord]

ye I don't think smurf accounts end up in iron without someone inting 100 game on em first lmao

[@josephhopkins2851]

yep dude seems like a real piece of work. questions the efficacy of neace's business yet openly advertises a service that ruins the game.

[@ussshenzhou9027]

ok neace

[@jacobbaker2112]

He is dishonest "Go ahead and buy smurf accounts to beat up new players" lmaoooooo bruh wild.

[@mcmneace]

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[@MuRiL0PB]

Video starts with an AD for smurf accounts. What a moment to watch a video criticizing someone and at the same time being supported by companies that sell smurf accounts

[@hazmat1]

this is a semi-docu not a critical review.

[@Andre_7771]

​@@hazmat1stop advertising buying smurf accounts

[@nick-ut7kx]

⁠@@hazmat1it’s an incredibly critical review. i don’t care for neace but having watched this video, it’s clear that neace is supposed to be seen as the toxic scammer taking advantage of people who probably shouldn’t spend $350 on coaching

[@evanr5871]

@@hazmat1i didn’t care about the ad. no idea why people are shitting themselves over it

[@lucaxtshotting2378]

@@hazmat1 u see the irony of this reply?

[@Agonystt]

Imagine calling Neace dishonest (which he literally IS), while advertising SMURF ACCOUNTS MADE BY BOTS in the video LMAO. The audacity.

[@izee4814]

L take

[@alext5497]

I'm half way through and haven't really gotten the dishonest part. Unless it's just that he probably faked challenger. Who cares

[@Agonystt]

@@alext5497 yeah, it's pretty much two things: calling himself challenger as fake ad and charging people the money without giving them the lesson properly

[@alext5497]

@NekronSX thr money thing is nothing Niece is correct, assuming his schedule is full like he claims. I'd argue he should charge even more. But what do I know, I just own a business

[@cupofjolt]

​@@alext5497 The money thing is nothing? It's $350 a pop for very substandard coaching. Down the chutes the money goes for a colossal waste of time. No meaningful improvement to most of the coached clients elo-wise as evidenced by their opggs. No, he should charge less, far less until the results prove otherwise.

[@thetoasterarmy2483]

I don’t play LoL but do smurfs mean something different in this game? I can’t imaging someone calling someone else unethical/dishonest then proceeds to sell Smurf accounts. That is absolutely insane to me.

[@bradsomers8816]

well Smurf are just lower ranking accounts then your "main account" league doesn't have rule on them at all

[@Fitzness1]

yeah its a whole pot calling the kettle black situation. The no life league community hates Neece bc he lied about an rank in a video to make money which literally anyone would do. not to mention him not being challenger is meaningless bc bro coaches iron and bronze players. From a purely objective persepective Neece did nothing out of the ordinary, but to ego no lives saying youre challenger when u arent is like a genuine sin.

[@skyscraper908]

smurf is when someone really good plays on a really bad elo account and dumpsters everyone

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

​​​@@Fitzness1its just odd in a game that has a ladder and everything is easily verifiable to lie as a public figure and double, triple, quadruple down. And charging people as a coach when youre lying about your rank would be like some dad claiming to have been in the MLB but really he was the bat boy, coaching and simultaneously pretending he was an MLB level player

[@Fitzness1]

@@lemonscentedgames3641 thats a valid point. my main point tho is that yes hes lying, but if people rly cared they would stop buying. is it scummy sure, so stop paying for it. its the same for these idiot consumers who spend money on shit products and shitty games every year and then complain about it. dont hate the business man hate the customers.

[@tyborg314]

I dont even play league of legends and I think it's absolutely brain dead to take on a smurf sponsor in a video about dishonestly in league. I mean the lack of awareness here is absolutely remarkable, honestly mind boggling

[@Scaleo3]

"show me support by buying a smurf with my link" aaaaaaand I ain't watching it, all it took was that sentence.

[@ratibena8297]

Who asked?

[@Scaleo3]

@@ratibena8297 Wow you really cared, I'm honored. It's been 2 months since I wrote that and now you reply, you must really think I'm cool. Maybe at some point in life you'll grow up and lose all of that edgelord attitude and you can be cool just like me.

[@ratibena8297]

I'm not reading all of that bro 💀

[@danielseaburg9763]

@@Scaleo3 nothing wrong with buying a smurf account mate. Some people that wanna smurf cba to grind a fresh account. Yet you think you have the moral highground.....lmao, smurfs aren't illegal you utter melt.

[@THICKTHUMBS]

@@ratibena8297 must be tough to read, huh? it's ok.. for $300 I ca.. oh, wait...

[@Infotin4uK]

neace: complains about being target hated also neace: creates literal burner accounts to target hate other creators or anyone who disagrees with him and praise himself 🙂

[@ShadowfoxAut]

he even said he sold his account to a chinese dude. riot could just ban him and every acc he streams with and flag his content for promoting account-trading xD

[@My13101994]

@@ShadowfoxAut that shit also makes no sense, if you only make challenger as proof of concept you keep the account to have a shorter climb the next season

[@ANUBASS]

typical narcissistic delusional fake it til u make it vibes, 90% of popular people in the media and online fall into this category of dumb full of shit idiots who soak up their own bs they actually start to believe it, literally no self awareness, respect or morals just bottom feeding snake scum who will do anything for a buck or clout

[@sonnenblume4]

not really, since riot knows that all streamers use smurfs, which is by design account trading too. And they let it happen.@@ShadowfoxAut

[@Altimit1417]

@Donabe7-im5cs lots of Chinese people move to America for a short stint ie university or work. So your argument makes sense to some extent but for people who doesn't live in their parents basement and have IRL success don't have time to grind to lvl30 with bots and newbie. So they need their fix of gaming addiction. Buying accounts is the way to do it. I don't condone the practice or giving in to the addiction, but people with money tends to do what they want and get away with it.

[@Mason-kd2zr]

Tyler1 has played League so addictively, that he remembers practically every player and username he has come across in his multiple challenger climbs (so he can blame them for his losses and losers queues later of course.) The fact that he has no clue who NEACE is, is due to the fact that NEACE has never been at Tyler1's elo.

[@jacobmorris3295]

Bro, I have never even played with NEACE... Most of his accounts are near D2-D4. He's not a "Challenger player" like he branded. He just knew that branding as a less than Challenger coach would affect his client acquisition.

[@Mason-kd2zr]

@@jacobmorris3295 I know a Jacob Morris. Do you live in Ohio?

[@lindus9201]

@@jacobmorris3295 I mean he actually was challenger in LAN so the challenger thing is true and he even made it to korean masters this year too. He is pretty good

[@Yasukeh]

He explicitly claimed multi role, multi season NA challenger, and also claimed that he never bragged about LAN challenger. @@lindus9201

[@MrTongen]

@@lindus9201 neace alt?

[@Decay611]

I like that the Jaymo arc really brought neace and tarzaned together. That was the best league content there ever was

[@RancorousSea]

I just watched that entire thing, it's the most league content I have watched at once since like 2015.

[@F.M671]

Makes a video about a fishy coach Also advertises smurf accounts Maaaan I mean come on. This is above and beyond just pure balls "Im here to make money" move XD

[@ricobarth]

The only thing to admire here is the chutzpah.

[@mrbeefal0]

Can't believe Yasukeh put so much time and effort in to make this vid, what a chad.

[@jamarmccarthy9182]

Bro said kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmS9ZmivmcSZqLMsi=RiBFjJCdoTjCt_fo

[@rkjj.]

lost it at "no she didn't she fucking died after your coaching, she couldn't afford food"

[@hazmat1]

She is in our thoughts

[@ANUBASS]

bro shit had me weak. best part handsdown lol

[@hussainali1340]

Deserved, if willing to pay $300 for a coaching session in a garbage *FREE to play* game and an even more garbage fraud "coach" like Neace.

[@TheInspectionist]

literally 'you wouldnt know my girlfriend she goes to a different school' energy with these challenger claims

[@danielseaburg9763]

As much as i despise Niece, he was literally one of, if not, THE rank 1 GP back in the day. I've been around since day 1. He was unironically challenger and again, arguably the best GP in NA, if not the world. As much as i hate to admit it.... But - WAS. not is. And was, YEARS ago.

[@benjaminarias4467]

Faked or not his vids got me from silver to diamond.

[@pmbboc]

Ya NEACE is super helpful

[@ΝικοςΞανθοπουλος-ρ2δ]

this. i went from gold to diamond 1, implementing advice from his coaching vids

[@Alexander-zm9jd]

Yeah, just the fact that people want to drag him down shows the toxicity of the community. Results from his advice/coaching speaks more.

[@dabo150]

@@Alexander-zm9jd Nah its the right thing to do, there is no place for someone as toxic as neace in the community. There are way better coaches, that are way more friendly and better at coaching overall, for a way cheaper price.

[@calic737]

seems like neace may have been doing the great gatsby thing

[@RikerLovesWorf]

the tldr is: He photoshopped a challenger screenshot, then refused to admit it. That's it. The end.

[@hiiambarney4489]

Well he advertised being a multi-role Challenger Coach then proceeded to absolutely rip off iron - gold level players which he could've VERY easily offset/outsourced, which is THE business move to take if you "suffer from success" like he did. Amongst that he is a lolcow. That's it.

[@johnhalliday5420]

@@hiiambarney4489 he was outsourcing. he had partnered with many other high elo players that did coaches. He advertised them frequently and even tried getting people to be coached by them, even showing them off in some videos by having them coach him and yet he was still overbooked.

[@G0Crazy1]

shilling smurfs that ruin the game while talking down on someone else ruins your validity 100%. you cant get mad at someone for being dishonest when you do the same things

[@hazmat1]

Selling league accounts isn't dishonest when you don't personally care about it. It's subjective moralism

[@G0Crazy1]

@@hazmat1 not true at all not even close! smurfing is 100% bad for the game idk why u could even argue that

[@russellbuehl4371]

@@hazmat1 yeah your the reason the game becomes trash and filled with smurfs

[@remiproust]

Sponsored by a website that sells smurfs ? Man I'm no fan of Neace but that's a pretty shity sponsor to have for League content wtf...

[@hazmat1]

Not a sponsor, but an affiliate. Besides, account sellers is pretty rampant within the community

[@tacocatpoopracecarpooptacocat]

@@hazmat1dude youre using the same “common practice” argument that neace does in this video lol

[@juho5282]

@@hazmat1 Bro, having it being either an affiliate or sponsor doesn't really matter. You're advertising smurf accounts, which is questionable especially with regards to the content of your video. At least own up to it that it is not a great look and you don't give a crap. Otherwise, you're no better than Neace.

[@apolozero-frames291]

Great video. Honestly, Neace didn't need to fake all that stuff to have his business work and be profitable. If he had let go of his ego as a player and assumed more of a businessman and spokesperson role hiring challenger coaches, he coulda had the best coaching site in the community for sure. I doubt this time out helps him see that. It takes a lot of honesty and courage to step forward and apologize.

[@hazmat1]

I agree

[@luminous3558]

Wouldnt really change much besides the reputation. To teach league you don't just have to be high rank. You have to have gotten high rank via thinking and not just mechanics. You also just need the communication skills to teach anything. Also the biggest issue with his coaching was simply the absurd price point which is just not reasonable for bronzies to pay when they can get better coaching for 20 bucks somewhere else. If someone is a huge influencer and their time is worth a lot they simply shouldn't be coaching randoms who won't recoup money from the extra reach or youtube content.

[@renzuki5830]

@@luminous3558 Legally that changes everything. Now it's a) Fraud so you might get criminally prosecuted and b) People can sue you for the money they spent on coaching because the deal was made under false pretenses. So there is civil liability as well. Technically he could be sued for every $ he ever made. (Though that won't happen because most customers won't sue) You can't just openly lie about your service.

[@CMbReCk]

​@StavroGavroYou are wrong, many top coaches in many sports have gotten titles and incredible things and never played professional at a top level, the same can be said in eSports

[@wonkywaterpipe123]

"If he had done this and that he would have been a good coach". No. He is a garbage coach because he is a low elo player full of endless lies. Have you ever watched him coached and seen his in game calls or are you just silver as well and can't understand that he is a very, VERY bad player?

[@lolpocalypse]

this video is essentially "dont buy coaching, buy accounts"

[@yannaedc5934]

well that saved one hour and half thanks!

[@MarigoldAW]

I can't believe people are really this assmad about a guy who does coaching for a video game. It's actually unreal lmfao

[@noodleesnorter]

League needed this kinda long form community content, keep it up man 👍👍

[@llife9736]

tarzaned has no moral ground to stand on

[@xRichieeex]

Neace has a ton of free content that really helped me improve at the game a lot, I can't really knock his coaching, Cause the skepticism I had was like. "oh yeah? I bet he can't do it in a live game" and he did most of his coaching in a live game. Even if the client didn't win that particular game, I still feel like I always got a good lesson out of it, Or an idea to think about. I guess some people felt like they really wanted to take that extra step to get better, And paid for coaching. I don't see it from being any different than being a personal trainer or paying for piano lessons. While I didn't always agree with his wannabe gordon ramsey attitude. I also understood the reasoning behind being abrasive to paying customers and trying to hold them accountable, And lets be honest. The content wouldn't have been as successful if he wasn't like that . I watched a lot of coaching videos and guides before neace and I feel like those didn't quite click with me like neaces approach did.

[@CtrolokDoncov]

true. Before his live coaching became the main source of his content, i remember watching him back in like 2016/2017 (the first korea trip i think?). There was some really good content coming from him even back then, especially considering the major league youtubers were putting out 10 min edited highlighted vids of a single game (qtpie, anniebot, dyrus, nightblue, etc). For example he made a few videos which he titled "lightning fast commentaries", which were essentially just a live gameplay where he'd vocalize all the gameplay thoughts as they happened. This isn't a revolutionary idea, but no one else did it, and to be fair it was really useful as far as coaching content went. Additionally all these videos were free. I can think of a few more examples (he played around with eye-tracking software). All this just shows his willingness to experiment with ideas for educational content. I don't really care too much about the drama, anyone with half a brain should be able to see through/navigate the bullshit on their own. As far as educational content creators go in the league scene, he definitely has always been up there/at the top (and it's always been on youtube for free).

[@konaqua122]

One big problem about people I see critcizing him is that his coaching videos are mostly basics. But a lot fail to understand that the clients in those videos are mostly silver and below. If we put it in real life scenario, if Neace is a head chef training a 1st year student from cullinary school, he would be teaching them how to do the meat temperatures properly and repeatedly until it becomes second nature. Now, here comes the food critics saying, "Huh, a head chef who only teach how to fry meat? Even my mother knows how to fry meat." If I were to coach someone, I would install the basics first. Once you master the basics, that's when wave management, different strategies, timing, and other advanced stuff goes. Even if you teach a newbie the cheater recall, they would still get behind because they cannot consistently track jungler and poor warding dying from the most obvious ganks. I hope anyone get my point.

[@carlosMartinez-tj3yf]

It’s so tone deaf to sell Smurf accounts on an exposé about a manipulative grifter.

[@alexandrehuard1226]

I dont like the "playing in challenger games is all that matter not the rank" thing. In overwatch 1 i was a big rein and hog player and at my best i was able to hit low master but then drop after like 2 or 3 games. When people/friends ask me about my best rank i dont say "i was rank master" . I say " i was rank diamond" I like to think if i kept playing i could of get master but had a burnout bc i played the game so much for a while. Consistance is the most important thing.

[@hazmat1]

humble words

[@alexandrehuard1226]

@@hazmat1 thank you. I like to think being humble helped me not getting in trouble in overwatch and league. That and me not using chat often.

[@SomethingSomethingComplete]

You should say you peaked at Master because it is a fact. It's like hitting a PR in bench press, then never lifting that heavy again; you still did it. Congratz on hitting Master!

[@Digger-Nick]

If you're actively playing with and against challenger players, then you're a challenger level player. That's all it is

[@DrClownPhD]

You can always tell them you peaked Master, but your skill is in diamond. There's a skill ceiling, a skill floor, and then an area in between where you usually float on average when you're being consistent

[@mitchellwarner1526]

I know the Neace drama has passed but He helped me alot in early seasons of LOL and while he might of never actually been an NA challenger he did give me good tips to climb to old Platinum

[@odyseeone]

The most important thing is not whether your rank is chall, GM, or even just master (That's just ego flexing), they're all good enough rank to provide value to low elo players. The truly MOST important component that measures your worth as a teacher is the progression of your students. If a person is a challenger player that doesn't make him a good coach it only gets him a good start, if his students make zero progress after his coaching tips then he's a bad coach. If a person is a master player and coaches students to 1-2 or more ranks above where they currently are, then that master player is a WAY better coach than the challenger player and deserves more credit for it.

[@SorrowHead]

What do you mean he's dishonest? Didn't you saw his challenger backpack???? Do you have a backpack? Don't think so. 😎 edit:wtf i'm in the video lol

[@hazmat1]

Ah fuck man my bad

[@digi7420]

What colour is your challenger backpack?

[@hazmat1]

@@digi7420 my Bugatti is yellow

[@lssjvegeta7103]

@@hazmat1 my prison cell is grey

[@hazmat1]

sounds like premium treatment @@lssjvegeta7103

[@TiredOfY]

I just wonder...who actually gives 2 craps? I've seen his coaching videos..although I would never pay for coaching in general he actually puts effort into his videos...if people are willing to pay for it...great for him while others like yourself are making hour and a half videos and spending probably dozens of hours editing this to literally talk BS about him... he spent those dozens of hours making money... keep on wasting time...I just love the drama xD

[@nobody-pc4lf]

yeah bunch of b itches

[@BayCyst]

Never really liked NEACE, but I did find that him screaming at silver players - and not providing any reasoning for what he was telling them in games, was a sign that he wasn't what he claimed to be. Seeing every single tweet in all caps is interesting as well.

[@lucaxtshotting2378]

usually when you say "but" you say something before it and something that could somewhat oppose that first thing after it. Look: Never really liked neace, and I find him screaming at players really fucking susca

[@BayCyst]

​@@lucaxtshotting2378uh thanks? Pretty sure my sentence structure makes sense *but* you go ahead and become an English teacher on youtube comments

[@lucaxtshotting2378]

@@BayCyst much better! Only semantically incorrect now. Also enhlish isnt my main language, *but* it applies to any You get where im coming from though, hopefully. You say i dont even something but something to give authority to what you say. Its dishonest, not a sintactic error.

[@kashiwagimizoguchi]

@@lucaxtshotting2378 🤡

[@MC-nt7jz]

@@BayCysthe’s right you say but when the next sentence will contrast the first

[@dogenatorxenepolos6018]

Neace incident causes: Neace’s ego, Neace’s customers & jealousy

[@jacksond7956]

Neace can do whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean it’s okay. If I were a D3 tennis player in college looking to coach players, but I advertised myself as a Wimbledon qualifier and Olympian medal winner, would I attract more clients? Yes. And that’s 100% unethical because I actually did none of those things. It’s actually funny because I’ve seen videos of Ap0calypse coaching, and he actually yelled less than Neace..

[@omega4223]

The part about him claiming to be challenger cuz he was in challenger games made me lol. D1s aren't uncommon in challenger games in dead late hours.

[@Lenexa1]

That's true today, but not so much back in previous seasons. They mainly changed things due to 30+ minute queue times for challenger players.

[@Himekocchi]

There was this one day I ended up meeting a Grandmaster player in discord (I forgot the full username but I saw him hitting challenger later too). Great guy, was cool enough to party up to play a normal game with me and teach me the basics. I had been playing for only two weeks back then, and game was filled up with high Dia/Master/GM players. So yeah I was in high elo too just after a couple of weeks. Da heck are you doin LCS now throw that contract and bag of cash to this next Faker

[@emmanuelgirin1596]

He seems like a good coach actually. He's on point in most of his videos and quite helpful.

[@midnight8431]

backsitting gaming while not teaching any real mecanic of the game is far from being helpful. Just telling "do this, do that" never helped anyone if they don't understand why. And if they don't do it by themselves, it's because they didn't understand / know about this, and instead of giving deep explanations, nothing happens. Like it was shown in the video, most people coached don't ever improve after the coach. That's a pretty explicit exemple of being a bad coach. Same goes for real life - you can't blame students for not succeeding when the teacher is bad. You can blame them if they don't put in the work to progress, but that's the role of the teacher to *teach* how to study what he is teaching as well.

[@jsingh98]

idk, for me personally, here are the facts: He got challenger in LAN he was datamined in NA, and got to GM and was around 40 lp away from challenger playing TWISTED FATE while being in a weak state he got masters in Korea recently. He was one of the only players along with trick2g who taught low elo people league while every other streamer (funny enough, most the people flaming Neace such as LS, I Will Dominate, Tarzaned fall under this category) were extremely elitist and barely made ANY free content or paid content for the average joe while roasting them at any given point. I personally think Neace is qualified to coach diamond and below players.... and the price, I think it's justified considering he has THE MOST FREE CONTENT for low elo coaching out of anyone i know (100s if not 1000s of FREE videos) and he was doing it before anyone else wanted to do it. I would say just watch his free shit, and don't be mad at him, be mad at the idiots paying 100s of dollars for content they can learn for free on HIS channel. I got to masters+ learning from Neace and Trick2g and honestly i remember how nasty everyone in "high elo" attitude was for these players through out the years, calling them dog shit and bad at the game etc etc. But Neace video on mental apm, his lightning fast commentary, as well as trick2gs bronze sub wars, and My Way video series, really upped my game, to the point where even diamond and masters players feel like a dog walk.

[@nothingisitchingme5874]

The fact you compare these 2 is insane, quantity doesnt equal quality and just cause its allowed doesnt make it morally right 😂

[@jsingh98]

If he helped the average joe during a time where no one else wanted to. And became the top number 1 coach, wouldnt you say hes earned the right to charge the highest price as opposed to anyone else? Its literally bad business otherwise. The man was being booked out the ass, and you want him to not increase the prices why? Because its not a price YOU agree with? Dont be such a child, this is simple business. You dont need to pay to get value from neace, most of his content is free so your argument is mute... ​@@nothingisitchingme5874

[@Yasukeh]

@@jsingh98 He coached for years, and didn't pop off until he started advertising with faked credentials. As soon as it was revealed he lied about challenger, he stopped getting coaching bookings, going from 3 a day to 1 a week at best.

[@zinxderobo]

A "ringer" is someone that you put on your team that acts as a "carry" because they're too good for that bracket

[@PhantomCheddar]

by the thumbnail, you’d think this was about some sort of heinous international criminal. the league of legends community is somethin else

[@Userre]

Edit: i want to iterate in an edit now before the main comment that bias isnt necessarily bad. It's actually good that youre coming to conclusions and stating what you think. My issue is that the mistakes in the video, some of which i highlight below, are either the consequence of incompetence or your bias overriding good sense. Either one of these is unacceptable when you're attempting to release a video that can have tangible effects. The mistakes and inconsistencies I caught are completely unacceptable in a long-form documentary style video and should have been caught, period. This video is riddled with a lot of bias and a lot of nonsense and it's a shame to hear. Very little credit is given to Neace and this video serves more as a hitpiece rather than a documentary. I'll note just a few of the many issues I personally have with the video. 1. You bring up the scientific method in regards to confirming challenger rank, but the scientific method is in no way related? Just a very strange turn of phrase used to degrade "testimonial evidence". Sure, testimonial evidence may seem unscientific, but in a court of law where people are judged by their peers, anecdotal and eyewitness testimony is the most valued form of evidence. This is not a scientific dispute and the scientific method shouldn't be used to characterize the value of the evidence brought forward. 2. You've mentioned Yasukeh's criticisms of Neace's coaching but fail to account for the context in which that occurred. Yasukeh view farmed by reviewing tiktoks of the coaching sessions. There's really nothing else to be said here, any analysis given under the context isnt useful. The fact that this isn't mentioned is an issue. Other critiques mentioned in the video are highly justified and valuable, and Neace absolutely should be held to the fire for live game coaching practices, but nevertheless you need to communicate the value of Yasukeh's commentary based on context. Incredible that earlier you brought up the scientific method in light of your utter failure here. 3. Furthermore, the claims of paid actors made by Yasukeh are incredibly cringe. Just because accounts that featured on the paid coaching aren't active doesn't mean they were paid actors. Again, you bring up the value of the scientific method but fail to mention how the evidence provided doesn't demonstrate the veracity of the claim made. Genuinely incredible. There are a number of other issues with the video that frankly I've forgotten because theres just so much volume of fuckery. Neace deserves to be held to the fire for a lot, especially his coaching practices and the claims of his "multi-role" challenger experience because I can say just from my years of playing in those elos, that's a bald faced lie. This man only ever got to high elo in NA with TF and Tryndie practically. But still, you obviously need to review your methodology for your videos going forward, it boggles my mind the ineptitude.

[@lucaxtshotting2378]

noone's reading thsi bud

[@Userre]

@@lucaxtshotting2378 Maybe!

[@dango2917]

I read this post bud

[@lucaxtshotting2378]

@@dango2917 crazy

[@Hydrodictyon]

@@lucaxtshotting2378I mean, if you have a normal attention span, you absolutely do read all of this.

[@GKDsw]

I still like Neace, hope he comes back soon

[@saintemz4648]

Wow that was a lot to take in. Shocking really as Neace actually helped me with his coaching VODs back in s6 when I was getting back into the game after a 3 season break. Never paid for a coaching session but reached low diamond just by applying some simple things he discussed back then. I also never would've watched Tarzaned if it wasn't for Neace mentioning him several times during jungle coaching vods, this was when Tarzaned was an up and comming who just started his yt/twitch channels. I don't play league anymore but imagine the skill level of the average player and especially those at the top has increased overtime so it seems like a clusterfuck of Neace ego getting too big and not being able to keep up with the gradual skill increase of the community. I don't remember him claiming to be anything else but Master back then. EDIT: $350 for coaching seems like a fucking joke jesus christ

[@handeezyspeakseasy398]

I watched Neece video as well... never bought coaching though....🙄

[@ktakkakashi6500]

Yeah I watched back around then but after I watched him stream I couldn't watch him again, he was playing in around plat/diamond and he was struggling and blaming his team the very thing his coaching protests complete hypocrite

[@maxgehtdnixan4913]

League is pmuch the only "sport" where you assume coaches should be top tier players themselves. So neace not being challenger is peripheral to me at best. The question is more if his coaching was worth the price or not.

[@dinodudedanny6324]

His coaching is decent if you're below diamond, but definitely not worth $300+ lol

[@INeedANewHandle]

I mean, realistically any gold+ player can give you those pointers if they watch enough high elo players. Look at minimap, ward more, point you at camps/farm you're not seeing, keeping an eye out for you and tracking enemy movement, items, backs, etc. Throw in basic concepts like wave freezing and cheater recalls, runes and match ups and BOOM, you're a challenger coach. 90% of the work is the player you're coaching and getting out of ELO hell

[@Potte]

To be fair to those accounts that stopped playing after like a few dozen games or whatever, if my initial experience with the game was the verbal abuse Neace charged $300 for, I'd probably quit too.

[@KhriZippy]

I had my doubts about unsubbing him because of his big ego. This vid sealed the deal.

[@hazmat1]

im glad this video gave you the necessary context

[@mavarlp]

The nishonest downfall of deace

[@Pizner]

Nuts

[@firefox6285]

Interesting and well researched vid. I have mixed feelings about League content creators though that offer sales on smurf accounts.... I think this is bad for the game.

[@azelynhirano]

Throughout the video, it really hit me that the credentials for a coach shouldn't even be about quantity, but quality. If you can prove that you coached a single player from bronze to masters in 2-3 years, that's way more trustworthy than having 1000 nameless clients. If you could prove that your clients were climbing way faster than the average player, that at least shows that you're doing something. I get that sample size and sample population is going to be an issue here, but there's at least something. But yeah, according to this video, most of his "clients" were faked so he couldn't use this at all.

[@snyperwulffgaming9575]

I'm more bothered by the fact that he claims he made Challenger rank with multiple accounts, but the excuse of not showing evidence is "I sold it off". It really just feels sketchy when someone claims that.

[@bobsimpson9228]

I remember back when I played League I was challenger adc main smurfing in like D5 or some dumb shit. I remember getting him on my team in D5 and him dying on an invade he did as Nidalee. He raged at me because apparently as twitch soraka we're supposed to have prio into Leona Draven by harassing them lol. Shit had me in tears. He had me join his discord and get a free vod review. It was one of the funniest things. Fun fact: I also used to match against him in Halo 2 and Halo 3 years before that since he played that too. He was absolute trash at that game too, I'm surprised he made such a name for himself in the esports scenes as such a mid level player lol.

[@asmodeus4207]

All of Neace's coaching was free. The VODs were uploaded to youtube. People paid $300 to get yelled at by a streamer and be the center of attention. I feel like I can safely confirm that Neace was challenger in the early days of LoL. I watched him before and after he joined the army and I remember when he swapped to Fortnite. I can't speak on his rank after that

[@Yasukeh]

Neace himself at the time said he didn't hit challenger on NA before swapping to fortnite. It was only that single time on LAN in S7.

[@asmodeus4207]

@@Yasukeh I could swear I remember him streaming challenger games fairly early on. Maybe he was just high elo during the old system. Regardless, I wouldnt classify him as unqualified to coach low elo players

[@Yasukeh]

@@asmodeus4207 He can coach low elo players even if he was bronze, the problem is that he's falsely advertising himself as something he's not. His entire branding was about being a multi role, multi season NA challenger, despite never hitting it once.

[@juliusnesakysiu4778]

I tried to fallow his advice on climbing in league and i went 18 loose streak

[@talkingdownonnett]

Get better

[@xdds-ii4yb]

there's probably many reasons for that, but the two main ones would likely be either related to the way that Neace delivers information, or the general difficulty of applying new information. When applying a new concept, we have to shift focus to that specific concept, and that takes focus off where we usually put our focus.. so things we previously focused on can, and typically do, become worse as a result, until the new concept becomes habitual. I would never argue that the concepts he teaches are perfect or even optimal, but the truth is if you're a low elo player, lets say bottom 50% (iron-gold), you can still learn a fair amount from him or even emerald/diamond players, assuming the information was presented in a palatable way. Also, try not to get tilted with yourself for not instantly improving, as not only does it get in the way of improvement, but it can easily snowball into giving up completely. Improvement in anything is a process and we often get worse before we get better. It's not a linear development, at some point if you stick with it long enough you break though and will climb like mad until reaching the next frontier.

[@vgamedude12]

Selling smurf accounts on a video about dishonesty bruh -.-

[@AmberSweetPea]

This was really interesting to watch. When I first saw the video I figured I wouldn't watch it in full, however I got so into it, grabbed my nail stuff, and decided to finish my halloween nail set while watching the video!!! haha Anywho, I found neace only a few months ago even though I've been playing League for like 5 years. One of his coaching vids popped up on my homepage. I thought he was funny and the session was interesting so I followed him. I had no idea he had this kind of history, and after watching everything I see a guy who ruined a good friendship with someone who probably would have and could have seriously helped him along the way (Ninja), tanked his rep, and made himself look way worse online than he probably really is, all because of ego and shame. The way he responded to so many people, the way he created burner accounts and lied and got so defensive, that all just shows someone who is insecure, embarrassed, and unhappy. I honestly felt bad for him in a way when you were showing how he kept trying to reach out to LS, just because it was so obvious he was so desperate to be liked in the scene by guys above him. I am totally not a Ninja fan, but for the first time in my life i'm going to defend the man because what he said about Neace during the Fortnite stream was so minor.....yet the response from Neace was soooooo out of proportion. That spoke volumes, and showed that Neace has a complex and a lot of insecurities around/about himself, and that's why he always has to respond, that's why he has 4598456840596 burner accounts to falsely boost his ego, and that's also why he'll never be able to take chill genuine feedback.....he's so insecure that he will take anything other than pure admiration, as a full fledge attack. It's honestly sad, and I have no hate for the dude, I hope he works on nis mental health and makes it through his divorce.

[@hazmat1]

thanks for your reflections, very insightful to read ^^

[@artsyMoonie]

this is narcissism in a nutshell

[@lindus9201]

The video forgets to mention that Neace coached Ninja in lol like a year ago. So it seems like they are friends again, otherwise I doubt Ninja would want Neace to coach him. This video seems pretty biased against Neace imo. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIeXaX6jd9iKfdE

[@1BITfuerGamer]

Ngl kinda with Neace on the refunds. If you make an appointment in pretty much any industry and are 50 mins late, i would never expect to be refunded

[@KingOfAquilonia]

Ringer is basically another term for the ace. If he was the Ringer. He was their trump card

[@boshamburger123]

A “ringer” is not just a substitute and is common term in American sports. You’re ringer is generally one of your best players, who use in sneaky ways to try to gain an advantage. You can take 5 seconds to google this…. But instead decided to make up your own definition and just use that in a massive documentary you are posting online. I am 4 minutes in and that level of “research” (I am too lazy to google it and made my own definition) really does not bode well for the accuracy of the rest of this video.

[@thomasnguyen4427]

I'll start: I'll admit that this evidence was sufficient enough to convince me I was conned. Thankfully I never went beyond lurking and defending in shorts and videos. Now that I'm able to reflect back, I realize a lot of the speaking mannerisms I was listening to resembled an awful lot like the "narcissist" personalities described in an extensive video from a mental health channel. And I never knew about his Twitter Response videos. Watching those is such a whiplash from the persona he cultivated on his channel, it just rips the veil apart. Especially the extremely wide smile when discussing a serious topic like, "is there possibly any unethical, uncomfortable, concern over the question if the quality reflects the price?" I also appreciate that the thumbnail, and pacing of the actual video was neither overly aggressive nor click-baity, I think the reason I avoided looking for myself at the ongoing criticism/evidence provided by those critically analyzing Neace, was because the thumbnail or intro or even history of posts went too hard, fitting in the narrative that Neace's "haters" were "obssessive".

[@sreal-iron5898]

for business practises he did nothing wrong: there are always people feeling extravaganca and want a personal treatment, thus they shall pay for it. like tyler said it: "watch vods and streams" there is literally enough free knowledge out there, even watching challenger replays should be enough. it boils down to the question: do i have the patience to invest into this by means of discipline, studying, literally diving into the topic myself. or do i want to get spoonfed right??

[@cykablyat9855]

"he did nothing wrong", except lying about his credentials.

[@EzOddz]

imagine saying your a doctor when you just have an economics BA or something kinda the same thing he did

[@jmschmidt31]

Conveniently forgets to mention he hit masters all on stream

[@Yasukeh]

1:19:50 mentions him hitting masters and the context surrounding it.

[@JeebusCripes21]

Idk if anyone told you what Neace meant when he called himself a "ringer" for his Halo 2 team (around the 3:00 mark in your video), but a ringer isn't a substitute. A ringer is someone who is basically put in to look like a typical player but is actually a gigasmurf. Think of having a recreational football club in an amateur league, but you're also friends with Ronaldo so he joins your team. He would be your ringer. Neace was basically saying he was an extremely good Halo 2 player and was put on the team to dominate the tournament.

[@CrittingOut]

no surprise they got divorced, I can only imagine the next Neace files that will maybe come from this.

[@fritze9230]

He faked being Challenger--and made tons of money coaching with "Challenger" as part of his marketing. It doesn't mean his coaching was terrible, and if there are tons of rich kids out there willing to fork over money, well, caveat emptor. But the faking Challenger is criminal, really. I guess he'll go into politics next--is Santos' position still open?

[@JohanLucain]

dude isnt even around anymore but ppl still milking him like they got nothing else to do . kuddos

[@theoforestier8766]

Purely motivated by pa$$ion

[@grottoguru6473]

I don't like when people get divorced and frankly it needs to be treated less lightly than it currently is; however, it's no wonder that Neace couldn't retain a marriage with what we've all seen about his personality, lying, and general actions.

[@js.josippp]

All I'm gonna say is, he may have lied and everything, but in the end he did help a lot of people ge better at league.

[@alexgracianette4347]

i think if he stayed in his own lane and just ignored everyone, no one one would really care after awhile. like its such a major point he claimed he was challenger, really all he had to do was say he was master/grandmaster and he wasn't the end-all, endgame boss for coaching. pricing was never an issue for me. like its high due to demand, and if people desperately wanted coaching, there are plenty of other options. it was really his ego, lies, and attacks that kept focus on him.

[@zacbounce3805]

Climbed to emerald with his videos alone. He's flawed and not perfect but I think he was a good coach for the regular dude

[@ricobarth]

@@alexgracianette4347 That's how he made all the extra money...keeping the focus on him.

[@therebelofchaos1674]

Imagine calling Neace unethical while advertising account buying services.

[@jacobwilson9099]

A ringer is someone who particpates in an event even tho they are not eligible like not being a student

[@markpiper6382]

32:00 Remember LS is someone who literally lived on the street, gambling to have money for his next meal, in a country whose native language he didn't understand, surrounded by people who absolutely despised his existence. What Neace sees as "flaunting moral superiority" is basic compassion to LS.

[@tartas1995]

Literally one of the most important observations in their "interactions".

[@graveyardoperations7407]

This is kinda heartbreaking. You know if he mellowed out and wasn't so aggro and desperate for validation, he likely could've seen a lot of success.

[@caffynated552]

He made millions of dollars. That is a lot of success.

[@joshwalton25]

He became a multi-millionaire in about 3 years, and was still booking coachings months in advance at the $350 price point til he decided to take some time off while going through his divorce. You can't really have much more success than that playing League.

[@synaesthesia4183]

He's got narcissistic personality diaorder. He cannot help it.

[@jewelman]

awful player, worse coach, that'll be 600 dollars

[@astreocclu]

I watched Neace hit master in korea, no way he hasn't been challenger in NA ONCE.

[@Yasukeh]

Players who weren't able to hit challenger NA have recently hit challenger on KR.

[@robinodonnell3020]

Was a big NEACE fan in the early days (S6 I think), his "100 games to diamond" series were really fun and he was honestly a skilled player. Sad to see the downward trajectory and drama when he could have just kept his head down and keep doing what as working for him.

[@Oleoay]

The problem I had with the 100 games to diamond is he never really showed all of what was going on or even the major highlights

[@buneter]

People aren’t financially responsible is most of the arguments. How is it my problem if people aren’t responsible with their money?

[@hazmat1]

You don't have an obligation to do anything about it even though it may be immoral to take their money if you know they will die of starvation or whatever. The real, critical arguments here was not about financial responsibility but more about false advertisement and financial fraud

[@coje7412]

You could use this argument to support literal snake oil salesmen.

[@InkWavve]

To be fair, most of the people who pay for his coaching know it's overpriced and won't help them improve in a serious way.. Let's get real. They're doing it in the hopes of getting praised by him on stream and having the session be on KZbin as a video titled "Best Silver Player I've Seen...?"

[@Digger-Nick]

Found the deranged leftist

[@DrClownPhD]

This is actually a good point I didn't even consider. The things people will do so they can appear on something relatively popular is immense

[@InkWavve]

@@DrClownPhD yeah if you watch a few of those videos, these people are fishing for compliments rather than trying to get constructive critique. And Neace is very aware of this, based on the content he puts out and the way he markets his brand.

[@pandaoverboard]

I see a lot of hate towards a guy that instead of just playing the game, he was making money giving his advice.

[@xGvPTVx]

A "ringer" is traditionally slang for someone who is unassumingly skilled and possibly unfairly so (false identity, for example). For example, in League, letting a Plat play on someone's Silver account in an all-Silver game would make that player a "ringer," because no one would expect the player to be so much better than a Silver player. "During high school, Neace snuck into a Halo 2 contest at the University of Maine, acting as the team's ringer." For many things, especially physical sports, a college-level contest would make short work out of high-schoolers, but in this case, it sounds like Neace's eligibility was suspect and/or he was an unknown at that time and so he was a ringer because his skill level was much more than expected by the opponents.

[@pellaeon2536]

Stopped watching at the parts with the refunds, because at that point it became abundantly clear that you just have a hate boner and want to dunk on him. Not refunding money for people not showing up for scheduled appointments is standard for basically every business in existence, you trying to dunk on that for minutes shows your inherent bias. Not worth the watch.

[@pellaeon2536]

Also, using tarzaned of all people as some kind of character witness is beyond hilarious and possibly the worst choice if you want to be taken seriously.

[@hazmat1]

I agure that this tarzaned-neace drama can be petty, but that was just the bread of the butter. The real criticism comes around at 38:28 mark @@pellaeon2536

[@ricobarth]

@@hazmat1 You literally can't defend yourself against his accusation lolz

[@anonimowelwiatko9811]

This is good. There is no doubt, Neace is/was a good player and his takes make mostly sense. His game knowledge is extremally useful for players below Masters probably. His coaching is quite unique but I am not going to lie, I learned a lot. As for his prices, I think people were actually jealous of him and were virtue signaling. Market prices itself, that's actually true. You can't be responsible for other people and double check or ask if they really can afford your price. If they go to shop and buy something they can't afford, it's not shopkeeper's responsibility to control adult human being. Who problem was with Neace faking/lying about things, being sociopath and not being able to either admit some flaws or ignore those accusations. That was his downfall. Yeah, any person that puts other value on how much he is making/has in the wallet is not going to be my friend or someone I respect, I believe that was something what Neace was projecting as he could be at one point in life where someone judged him based on this premise and he took that to himself, further using it as deciding factor when valuing other people. It's pretty poetic how these flaws become a person's downfall. As for Neace's tactics such as faking/lying about credentials, thinking about undermining others or writing anon posts from low post accounts, I believe I had this kind of ideas as 15 years old while playing 18 years old guy (I had many issues and didn't grow up as person, I was quite manipulative and used internet to validate myself because I also thought that in order to be respected, I need to lie about not being underaged or having more experience/achievements that I had in my life). The idea that grown up guy, ex soldier was doing it is sad.

[@wonkywaterpipe123]

Ur braindead

[@synaesthesia4183]

He lacks morals like a sociopath, but its actually narcissistic personality disorder. Started watching him in 2018 and within days, I saw allllll the traits. I had a buddy just like him. Also a former soldier. He was hardly human, but extremely good at ripping people off selling shit and being arrogant, entitled, jealous, bossy, controlling. He and Neace are like twins. Tons of male Narc KZbinrs like him. I discover at least 1-2 a year watching ordinary videos on random things. They are dangerous. 100% His wife was a victim of abuse.

[@Verystoic]

Very good expose, im still going to hold off on jumping ship too quickly because this sort of back and forth gets very messy no matter how convincing one side sounds, but these are all alot of good points. Originally i had been a subscriber of neace for the past couple of years especially after a long break i took from league and was mildly trying to find my competitive league fire back for ranked, i started eating up alot of his content and honestly to this day would still say that whether you think his coaching is good or bad, i WAS able to get some form of useful insight from his approach, however i wont sit here and say he is the pinnacle of advice, simply that for a while i enjoyed his raw and unfiltered going-in-dry image, but that is just my particular case where some of his "application" of fundamentals actually ended up useful to me. And by useful i mean, the type of thing you'd think is so obvious but you choose to ignore it anyway because it seems so insignificant, but still makes the difference regardless of who is relaying that advice. However i never relied on neace to "learn how to play" but rather as a source to pick up certain things that everyone else probably does anyway, but possibly never mentioned upfront and just, as i said earlier, Raw and unfiltered That may just be me being able to pick out what i deem applicable to progress i've proven to myself i've made with what i got from his videos, rather than him being a "good league coach" or having accurate or well-founded game knowledge. In total i suppose the idea i had of neace was, he's this hardened "Veteran"(inrl and league) who backs up what he says and gives you the no-fluff no-bullshit hard lessons, but i also never clung to that or jumped on the wagon of "any criticism is just hate" that he seemed to be pushing, and whenever he said it, i always sort of side eyed it but of course, Neace to me was just someone i watched for useful tips and enjoyed his apparent tough-love and to the point manner of speaking Its like that one Basketball coach you have in highschool thats really hard on you and you think looks down on you until you realize how much energy he's spending to whip you into shape, and then laughs with you after the game. However this was MY take on him, i had never looked into him or his social life beyond his videos and maybe a couple streams because quite frankly, i never cared. So as someone who was only mildly interested in his content and manner of coaching, and was able to in my own way find use in what others would likely just consider inadequate, i have to say this is all very interesting to hear, And while I believe i agree with LS on the "technically just business but morally dont like it" stance, i also never cared about the money part, which seems to add up with the concise explanation of "We dont dislike you because of your business we dislike you because of dishonesty etc", because that part to me IS QUITE DISAPPOINTING. However its particularly disappointing because i believed atleast on the surface i had enough reason to respect him as a content creator, im not exactly surprised however that this is what was going on outside of what i was paying attention to, it still sucks however because he seems like the kind of coach i prefer to learn from: No sugar coating, To the point, Raw and unfiltered experience but backs up what he's talkin about and knows his stuff. That was my IMAGE of him before watching this, and while im not about to quickly jump on the "oh yeah he's awful" train yet, i appreciate the effort you put into compiling all of this as its food for thought on how i view him in a wider scope. I dont believe any of this invalidates what i took from his videos in the past as, as i've said i've found my own form of use in it, but i do DEFINATELY understand where all the dislike comes from. Whenever people criticize his Sometimes sarcastic and otherwise heavy-handed style of coaching, i always view that in a different light because that on its own is just one thing, but DISHONESTY with not only his image, but his business as well, now that changes alot of things including of course credibility, and that sucks, because once again while i wasnt completely fooled by it, i always had a slight side-eye when he says stuff at times but at the very least i found his content as food for thought enough that i wanted it to be credible, i WANTED to believe it, so if all of this truly is as solid as it seems, then damn, that really does damage the respect i thought i had for him. TLDR: I now understand a wider take on the issues people have with Neace outside of his youtube videos. His business ethics is a grey zone, but how he portrays himself on social media, and "advertises" is technically both dishonest, and false advertising. So in total im not gonna just immediately switch my brain to "he's awful" just yet, but this is rather hard evidence to some extent, hard to argue with it and does shine a light on stuff i simply didnt care about surrounding him. I maintain most of how i felt towards his content on youtube but him as a business man or just as a person, not so sure anymore. The image i had of him will simply remain that, an image, or memory, but reality seems to be he just wasnt that person behind the scenes, unfortunate.

[@BaileyMachin]

I feel very much the same, but more so unfortunately I consumed the shit out of his content for like 3 years up until he quit streaming, I literally remember crying for him when I saw his video on his divorce because I knew he'd been going through some stuff up until that point, but as many of us were, just blind to everything that happened behind the scenes because he was so vague and unclear when talking about it on stream. I'm very much the same in not sure how to feel about him because to this day I still have his voice in my head yelling at me "why are you warding there if Jung is there you're dead anyway" stuff like that and I don't think that will ecer change, before I watched him I never really cared for league I had an account but couldn't get into the moba style of gameplay, he coached an illaoi when goredrinker was strong and basically had him walking at everyone and killing them, I took the champ after watching the video a few more times and had a blast. Watched him play hecarim when he was running conq Triforce/sunderer. Tried that and from there I was hooked, he explained the game in such a simple ,- and I like the way you put- raw and unfiltered way to me as a scummy Aussie kid, that just clicked, he was funny and I loved the way he made a game that's not exactly easy to learn, brain-dead simple to get started on. Now after waiting to see if he's coming back since dropping off last year, after watching this I'm worried what he will do. Hurts being unsure of how to feel towards him.

[@ApplePieTTV]

Selling smurph accounts is so cringe. Honesty and integrity is a rare feature.

[@aezyn8645]

I really loved the way he peaked in platinum 4 on korea for 3 months straight, went on a new account and "hit" challenger all of a sudden. He apparently "changed" his Tryndamere Runes to Absolut Focus Scorch which caused his massive surge on Wins. Make of it what you will

[@Yasukeh]

He only hit masters after creating a new account, not challenger. He also swapped his build to a Trynd build that only I was using at the time.

[@ncharles0333]

​@@Yasukehmillions of players, this guy "only me".

[@TranquillShot]

I used to be a regular Neace viewer until I just could not stomach how *disgusting* he was to the people paying £300 to him. It made me genuinely nauseous, and I had to click off every single one of his videos because I was that uncomfortable. What goes around come around, bud.

[@eeyun5279]

Lmao…

[@mariusweber4990]

Watching Neace reminds me of those videos of call center scammers berating their victims. Really uncomfortable.

[@tiltltt]

the thing about neace is that you don't have to be good at league to notice that he is a bad coach

[@pa5838]

Yep, he takes the "do this, do that" stance and never explains nor teaches anything.

[@asdfasdf-mn8iu]

So the picture this paints of the author of the video is: - tries to make money off of drama around a bigger creator - morally bankrupt, sells smurfs and when called out for it, either points at the others doing it or calls it "ad hominem" (lol) - the entire point this drama and "dishonesty" revolves around is whether neace was in challenger or not? Perhaps also how he reacted to the allegations? It is not about the quality of his coaching or anything relevant, just about if his claims are true or not, like wtf.

[@deenaxic9134]

Lots of money, no normal job/life balance. Depression 101.

[@KizaTheShaddow]

The amount of childish man children getting jealous of Neace for building a business is crazy. Tarzaned acts like a jealous 10 year old sibling. It's funny cause if these people put half the effort they put into complaining about other peoples success into their own venture they would be successful themselves. Hilarious when you think about it.

[@Juhheli]

Hi Neace!

[@KizaTheShaddow]

@@Juhheli Haha so funny 👀

[@ДимитријеПрокоповић-к7э]

Great video bro! Really enjoyed hour and a half of the video. Hoping for this video to blow up!

[@hazmat1]

Wow thanks for watching, thought 1h+ vid would discourage people from watching

[@ДимитријеПрокоповић-к7э]

@@hazmat1 Yeah, but your video is really entertaining because of evidence and work you put into this video, so anyone with normal attention span that is not ruined by tiktok should watch this easily. Great content and keep uploading!

[@hazmat1]

hahahaha, thanks man @@ДимитријеПрокоповић-к7э

[@1VIP1daniel1VIP1]

21:43 - The guy talking never had an own enterprise. Refund if you plan the time? It’s insane to expect someone to refund you money and at the same time plan you into the schedule

[@2LoLGaming]

no wonder niece turned off everything.. he retired with scammed money

[@FlyAwayTooHighToday]

my problem with neace was always, that he build so much pressure on his clients. some people cant function under these amounts of stress and especially cant learn a thing. sometimes his instructions didnt make sense for me, but what do i know, im just a gm jungler.

[@Kamishi845]

The problem with Neace's actual coaching if you want to call it such, at least what we see on his streams, is that he has not an ounce of pedagogical skill to his name. His idea of teaching people is built on his experience with the army being yelled at doing whatever, because he thinks it builds character because it did for him. The difference is that in the army, you're not going through these drills in order to learn, you go through them to make you obey any command no matter what your emotional response may have been in the past. It's literally brainwashing. So in a sense yes, it does break down the ego, but insofar that it makes a person completely compliant and hinders their ability to self-reflect. Lack of self-reflection is also contradictory to deep learning, since self-reflection is an important part of the deep learning process. Without it you can memorize something for a time, but you won't be able to connect the dots or gain new insights. I always viewed Neace's coaching as content because that's what it is.

[@Muncherito]

1 thing i agree is that no refund if no show. cause that time could have been book to another client. thats 1 hr of lost of rev

[@Selects]

This is really well done. I got blocked by both Neace and ChaseShaco years ago so I missed out on a bunch of this drama. Back in something like 2018 I had Neace in my games while I was duo smurfing with a friend and Neace solo lost us the game in Silver MMR. I still have the screenshot of him going 2/10 on Tryndamere which I didn't even know was his one trick until this video. He lost lane into a silver Darius and proceeded to flame us in front of his stream that he linked after the game. Only reason I found out about him. I posted the screenshot to twitter and tagged him in it and we had a short back and forth then he blocked me. ChaseShaco blocked me after I said he was being a hypocrite for trying to deplatform hashinshin for being a pedo while actively making content with a known pedo, swifte. I wasn't defending hashinshin either, just pointed out the hypocrisy of duoing with a known pedo/abuser because he's high elo and making content with him but trying to tear down someone else for the exact same horrible things your friend has also done. Not surprised ChaseShaco sided with someone negative in the community as he clearly has a history of doing so as long as it benefits him. I know you didn't say anything bad about ChaseShaco either so my bad if I'm bad mouthing someone you're on good terms with. Just amused I've had interactions with a lot of people in this video and I'm blocked by two of them.

[@pskfry]

touch grass dude nobody gives a fuck

[@Elementxchaos]

When you flame people that usually happens

[@Selects]

@@SawGudman you should google the word parasocial before using it. I'm a high elo player so I've ran into both of them. Neace lost lane in silver on a smurf and blocked me when I called him out. ChaseShaco blocked me when I called him out for hanging out with pedos while he was trying to call someone else out on that same behavior. Nothing else to it. Both are heavily involved in the video, sorry your idols are human trash :/

[@MT-so2mk]

Source: trust me bro

[@ostaosambezidejazanick7787]

@@MT-so2mk source everyone who's been in community and high elo fit multiple years knows this

[@mikeknight1118]

leaving aside the quality of his coaching, regarding the TOS for no refund if you miss the session, that is 100% agreeable, because that would only cause a toxic customer behavior as people would waste each other's time and the coach as well just because they can't respect THEIR OWN timeframe. Now he could have a paragraph of allowing reschedule in case of emergency if mentioned with time in advance, but other than that, refunding for missing your own appointment would just be a rundown for any service business. You buy the timeframe which includes a service, not a service which includes any timeframe!

[@okin536]

I appreciate the fact-finding of this video. Man's a piece of work, to be sure. But all these critiques of Neace fail to show why he got popular. You may not like his price point, business ethics, personality, or even character, but Neace provided content that filled a void in the League educational space and THAT's why he got big. That coaching criticism shown is also in bad faith. The clip telling someone to hide their nameplate--as an example of 'good' coaching💀. What a lot of these high-elo coaches don't seem to understand is how it feels to play League of Legends for the very first time. They did it a decade ago when EVERYONE was bad. They tell newbies to just play more games, and expect everyone to have the same amount of time to game as a high schooler. They consider anyone who doesn't aspire to be apex tier to be beneath their time. But Neace broke down concepts so that anyone could grasp them. When to slow-push and when to shove, when to back during laning, and when to rotate in the midgame. He taught the basics of tethering, the 'T' dodge, to pan the camera when heads-'butt', to always shove before roaming, and how to split-push effectively. In each of his low-elo coachings, there are a multitude more simple lessons explained in plain-speak that multi-season players take for granted. That's why these personalities devalued his coaching. He was teaching iron players how to reach gold and getting rich off it; something they saw beneath them. I wouldn't personally pay for it--I think a service like SkillCapped is better for someone with more money than time--but he released all his content for free on KZbin. And that's why he was booked regardless of the price point or the bad publicity. People knew what they were getting from the tin--yelling included.

[@darha22]

this is the first video that ive seen in a while that actually deserved a like, past the formality of already being a sub. super well done mate, youve gotten yourself another sub. ive known myself for a while kinda deep down that he was a fraud, cause although im not challenger myself ive gotten plenty of coaching from people who are, as im striving to be the best i can at this game and just time and time again he would say shit that either didnt align or went completely against what they would say, and some of the stuff i would even call him out myself on. its great to see that all this work was put in to prove he was a fraud. no one likes someone who will stand up and try to put themselves on a pedestal and give themselves 'valor' as its been called, that they dont deserve. u wanna call yourself challenger and brand yourself as such, make sure you can back it up.

[@jeremygl1569]

so many comments and nobody says anything about how much work, journaling and time it must have taken for Hazmat (whove never heard of before) to create this video, so detailed it could be a netflix docu?

[@hazmat1]

thank you, but sadly, everything is thrown out the window due to a smurf affiliate which is worse crime than murder

[@StolenKiss]

Idk about others but every time I hit a new peak rank I screenshot that shit and save it lol. Why does it sound so wild to Neace to do that.

[@stevechapman2301]

so neace has a business and a customer cant keep a appointment. you charge for that missed appointment because your business is worth a certain amount of $ per hour. this is business

[@Zonalar]

Good dissection and summary of the Neace storyarc to put a bow on it for all the league players/fans that got lost in the sauce. When it was happening at first and yasukeh brought out the heavy guns, i was really baffled and blaming alot of the fans for being so gullible and blind to the facts. But in hindsight, Neace has done a number on them to keep the facts obfuscated and reinforce the hater-narrative. And most people just watch "their guy" and completly miss whats happening behind the scenes or in twitter convos, especially if its drawn out over a couple of years. I'd feel bad for neace for dropping his career and losing his wife - but he kept reminding me how he has sooo much money, so nah he gets not a shred of sympathy off my back.

[@TheScondComming]

He steals money, and he does not teach anything. I have a cousin at diamond who thought me more then Neace and without screaming.

[@ackerman7735]

I was hardstuck silver 2-4 for years until I started watching Neace on KZbin. I never paid for a coaching. After just a couple of weeks watching him I was Platinum 2 and peaked Emerald 2 later on before I stopped playing League. Who fucking cares if he faked being Challanger or not?! Neace teached the fundamentals and I learned so much from watching him coach other people. It's so sad he received so much hate and that he's gone now. All the hate for him stems from one single thing: Pure jealousy.