The Disputation

[@AmosPressley]

"When the lion invites the mouse to a disputation, your majesty, the mouse, however fond he may be of arguing, would do well to avoid the disputation if he can; for the poor mouse does not know which to fear most: losing the argument or winning it." - - Rabbi Moses Ben Nachman, as portrayed in The Disputation

[@joshportie]

Only this is actually between Catholics and jews. Not Christians. The Christians in this time period would have informed the jew he was debating satans church on earth. All bible prophesy.

[@AmosPressley]

I agree,@@joshportie. It is not difficult to discern that the Jews of that day were right about the Roman Catholic Institution, and it's identification as a group of organized idolaters. But these donates were famously about the tenets of Christianity. Despite the fact that the "proofs" rendered by "the church" have been answered by many Rabbis many times over the years, they are still trotted out from time to time, as if they were brand new and irrefutable!

[@gayleagibson5228]

When the mouse is of the elite he must lead.

[@jamescampbell8482]

Nachmanides balls of steel

[@WeCube1898]

Mighty Mouse 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@YahnatanBenAhav]

What a great movie, thank you so much for sharing. Especially since this pretty much doesn’t exist anywhere else.

[@WeCube1898]

Moses Ben Nachman and Moses Ben Maimon are truly worthy of bearing the Prophet Moses' name. Being the stalwart of Monotheism.

[@USER-jo7yz]

Nachmanides is a true Jew philosopher! ....."What would the world be like without the Jews?". Every "modern" Jew should take serious notice of the rabbi's arguments about the essence of Judaism.

[@WeCube1898]

Rambam, Ramban and Rashi

[@boliusabol822]

@@WeCube1898 no dude, user112 is correct , you are not. Rashi was not a philosopher!! RAMBAM(with a mem) was into philosophy but more aristotle type stuff, not that relevannt. Nachmonides is indeed very good philosophically, into aristotle too but his philosophy came out here in a very relevant useful way. And Nachmonides(RAMBAN-with a nun) is the subject of this.

[@צמחישראלמרום]

we do take him.. The Ramban is one of the main interpertators of the Torah, right with Rashi.

[@smallthingsaddup]

Nice haircut my brother Pablo

[@bonnejaybejicrisostomo9629]

This is one of the best.

[@listen4556]

Amen !

[@WeCube1898]

Ramban doing "Boss Move".

[@listen4556]

"your love for the jews is great indeed Yolanda" King James sarcasm reflects a sentiment that is timeless.

[@uriel7203]

That's Christopher Lee for you. One of the BEST actors ever!

[@Daniel_bitew]

It was one of the best debates in history that the Jewish rabbi who defeated the Christians dropped them to the bottom and still they continue with their deviations and with their mission around the world

[@patri1689]

Man can save himself?!! Really. That was too arrogant.

[@maishchaitoff9684]

@@patri1689 Yes. if not what is the purpose of man? To merely rely on God? Man should lie, man should save himself, all else is laziness.

[@patri1689]

@@maishchaitoff9684 How do you know What saves?? Or what kind of deed saves?? Or, most importantly, how much 'what is' saves?? If we all know God is Perfect Good and Pure Love, then how we fo we know what things we do that saves us?? How do we know the standard that save us?? What is the measurement that saves man?? What does it even mean to saved??

[@chrisbarlow6422]

@@patri1689 Saved from what? Bully’s and murderers? Hell is just another metaphor people highly misunderstand, as a Tyrant I don’t believe in freedom of stupidity. I don’t want to live like Moses with a veil over my face. Hell is having one man chase a thousand and 2 placing 10,000 to flight do you wanna be on the receiving end of that?

[@WeCube1898]

@@patri1689 G-d saves man, He made men capable of great things, including the capability to reform and to learn, making him capable and empowered of saving himself. Ex: Abraham to Lot, Joseph to his Brothers

[@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV]

I'm actually sad this film isn't longer...blown away at this film...especially since it was produced by ________!

[@danielpalin]

Avner Ezra by whom?

[@nbecnbec]

@@danielpalin Jenny Reeks. Not sure why Avner finds that significant.

[@savtamarlene]

I had the same thought when we first saw this video many years ago. We bought it from Rabbi Singer's "Let's Get Biblical". I wondered how believing xians were honest enough to produce such a masterpiece of this very famous disputation. Because King James was an honest man and a man of his word, The Ramban survived and wrote about the disputation...which is why this film was able to be made...the information of how it unfolded was documented. The Ramban lived out his life in Acre, Eretz Yisrael...B"H, which, unfortunately, was not the case with any of the other rebbeim who were FORCED into disputations and then brutally murdered. There were disputations throughout europe in Medieval Times. The xians have been an abomination to the Jews...and to HaShem!

[@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV]

@@danielpalin sorry, I never saw your reply about who produced it. It was meant as "a bunch of Christians". It is one of the few times they've made something media-wise that I found to be delightful...and not because I'm biased. It was a good film and was shocked that all of the filmmakers were technically from Christian people.

[@shirleyannelindberg1692]

Beautiful 🤩 stated, Marlene 👍🏼 💞

[@annamariasoprano7212]

Magnificent!! The words of the Ramban echoing strong still today. Baruch Hashem!!

[@saul2491]

Ramban. Mot rambam

[@mosescordovero5959]

this is one of my favorite movies of all time. i wish it would be far more well-known than it is, because it is simply superb

[@johnpfmcguire]

I wish it were far more well-known that the Talmud sanctions pedophilia. This after all explains so much!

[@olrappaport7474]

@@johnpfmcguire The specific passage you refer to is actually about whether a girl who was raped is still entitled to claim the dowry price of a virgin. Did you listen where the rabbi explains the status and authority of the Talmud from 16:45 onwards.

[@johnpfmcguire]

@@olrappaport7474 so are you saying that the Talmud condemns baby rape? I would love to know where. If not, this clearly has a convenient double-meaning

[@maishchaitoff9684]

@@johnpfmcguire Read the context. Read the commentaries that also accompany it. One line from the Talmud is the equivalent to empty air. It is the argument and the context that is significant. This is why the Talmud is studied rigorously, a single line of text is no proof.

[@savtamarlene]

@@johnpfmcguire On face value, without indepth study and knowledge., any yokel can come to your conclusion, john. It is like the famous line "an eye for an eye....etc" You xians, and moslems, take this LITERALLY when it ACTUALLY means the monetary renumeration that one should receive for the loss. How is taking out someone else's eye going to help the injured person? The intelligent answer is: IT'S NOT! Halachah/Jewish Law or the Mosaic Law, as it's often referred to is what English Law is based upon and then American Law. It is the most sensible and equitable when it isn't sullied as it presently being sullied by the WOKE world. This is not man's law...this is HaShem's Law.

[@kennytompson6861]

A timeless piece of gold

[@NathalieLee-Francis-d3p]

A most enlightening and educational film.

[@WeCube1898]

The Ramban and The Rambam are two giants of the Jewry Servitude.

[@Mangaki86]

Powerful!!! תודה רבה 🙏

[@jwhyte2042]

Ramban destroyed them! ✡️ 💪🏽

[@mosescordovero8163]

this is my third favorite movie of all time

[@gayleagibson5228]

I would like to know what the other two are that are your favorites. I love great movies.

[@צמחישראלמרום]

@@gayleagibson5228 me too

[@yehoshualevy5170]

King James I is my 22nd great-grandfather. I am a Hasidic Rabbi.

[@leviyk7]

Ben Achar Ben?

[@avrahamschwartz2752]

Is this true?

[@גבריאלפאלקאו]

hahaha I'd love to see them seeing someone descending from them to be such a devout for the Torah instead of Christian faith.

[@Nudnik1]

Then you know theological debates are forbidden for Yidden as per Nachmonidies... This Disputation led to Inquisition and pogroms all throughout Europe.

[@PurpleTreeFish]

Explain the story!

[@rimmamogilevsky7389]

This is so good! So much wisdom! Thank you!

[@binnydavis5344]

So good Makes me appreciate the open dialog we have today

[@davidschalit907]

We are losing it.

[@TheModernHermeticist]

great flick, thanks for posting.

[@vcab6875]

The Catholic Church has kept us Hispanics disconnected from God within.

[@marccohen1335]

"I was just thinking about something the Rabbi said to me--about King David." Lol

[@vcab6875]

“We worshipped Jesus instead of following him on his same path. We made Jesus into a mere religion instead of a journey toward union with God and everything else. This shift made us into a religion of “belonging and believing” instead of a religion of transformation.” Richard Rohr

[@radiateddalek]

If King James didn't promise free speech, we wouldn't get to see Pablo get totally roasted. Thanks, James!

[@umutkarzai9190]

@Peter Xuereb You are a little confused the king James here is King James of Aragon later a part of a united Spain the year is 1263.. King James the 1st of England ruled from 1603 to 1625. King Henry the Eighth ruled from 1509 to 1547.

[@johnpfmcguire]

Only because Pablo had too much good taste to mention pedophilia in the Talmud (or if he did you can bet the movie's producer would edit it out)!

[@normanhauptman4634]

It is true Moses won the debate. I feel said he did not express unconditional love to his opponent while soundly defeating him. However, I was elated to hear Jewish theology expressed perfectly. It showed me that God's plan for Man is best brought thru the Jewish faith. Lastly, I will not forget that while Christianity neglects the truisms of Judaism, it also expresses love in a superior manner to Judaism.

[@maishchaitoff9684]

Explain your last point please.

[@savtamarlene]

@@johnpfmcguire Give it up already. You have been proven wrong by several people but you persist. Is your mantra..."If you tell a LIE long enough, it'll be believed to be true"? IT'S A LIE! AS ARE YOU A LIAR!

[@thescorpionking2020]

Kudos to the brave rabbi for defending his people and religion. Jews suffered immensely in Christian Europe.

[@USER-jo7yz]

...Even to this day the old habits are awaken again... or never forgotten!

[@johnpfmcguire]

Christians suffered immensely from usury. Jew-friendly popes and kings tended to be the most cruel, by all accounts (except extremely fictionalized movies like this perhaps).

[@peretzsucks]

@@johnpfmcguire Oh let it go already.

[@savtamarlene]

@@johnpfmcguire Just keep looking up, you anti-Semitic BASTARD! Oh..OH...Here it COMES!

[@balaclavacel]

@@peretzsucks cope

[@toucan221]

This is watched by me in Nov 2020, Jeffrey put this video up in 2016 but the Film its self is so much older, and has Wisdom for us all.

[@razielhayahud3049]

Great movie! May HaShem give us more people like Rabbi Moshe Ben Nachman!

[@VVeltanschauung187]

Love Christopher Lee

[@Jeffasaurous]

this was dope 💯

[@mordechaistein]

Loved this!

[@mizieyanewby8655]

awesome

[@GraavyTraain]

never heard about this and didnt know why i clicked on this video but i AM a descendant of james himself...

[@shmuelgoldberg8105]

The Ramban proves Judaism is true in this movie!

[@MrArtist1971]

This movie is huge. Massive hit to Christianity. No wonder it's not well known. I suspect the book goes much deeper.

[@johnpfmcguire]

The Tamud does go much deeper. It justifies pedophilia.

[@klgo.fabiansepulvedamorale2416]

@@johnpfmcguire that´s not true.

[@klgo.fabiansepulvedamorale2416]

@J A what places?

[@גבריאלפאלקאו]

Two wrong things in this link: 1. This deals mostly with sexual offenses and, since our tribunals lost the autonomy to inflict more severe penalties, our tribunals were authorised to inflict only financial penalties on the offender. Also, 200 zuzim is a fairly big amount of money, which could be the equivalent of todays's 1,000 dollars. 2. The laws on the marriage contract targets a situation that used to happen back then, when the Romans or other people used to kidnap unmarried Jewish women, and sometimes fake marriage where someone would marry an infant and then show the marriage contract to prevent the kidnapping. Other than that, a real marriage cannot be done unles the woman agrees to it, as seen in the Hilchot Biah, 4th chapter, as compiled by Ramba"m.

[@Nudnik1]

@@johnpfmcguire Talmud.faithweb.com An ignorant lie from typical uneducated anti Semetic rhetoric. The Talmud is a law book which states what should be done if that happens it does not "endorse" abuse or rape.. Idiot

[@Zenithilos11]

To think this actually happened in the 13th century… wow

[@Alejandrakoxxx]

the goat Lee

[@shevetzvulun1]

והיה השם למלך על כל הארץ, ביום ההוא יהיה השם אחד ושמו אחד. ישתבח שמו לעד

[@Ben-jq3ov]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@meirwise1107]

A sign of the truth is that it doesn't change. Water boils at 100 degrees yesterday, today and will do tomorrow. Therefore Judaism which is the oldest religion and hasn't changed is obviously true. Not the latter perversions of the original.

[@arielbemeliahu8619]

judaism today is extremely different than judaism of 2000 years ago, and even more different than judaism of the bible, you dont see jews sacrificing animals on an altar today, you dont see priests with a central role in the temple and back then there were no rabbis, judaism has changed radically overtime

[@sleeexs]

@@arielbemeliahu8619 Animal sacrifice is still a thing.

[@sleeexs]

@@arielbemeliahu8619 rabbi simply means teacher, there were always teachers since the time mankind learned trades.

[@whatsthat568]

Very good , Thank you.

[@shuttlefeather]

For info on the Web Google "The Disputation of Barcelona"

[@resumacast]

I’m not sure how accurate this disputation is portrayed in the film but if that was so I can see how this medieval Christian were so narrow minded. Reading the scholar tradition of the same era there were brilliant christians, who dialogues very well with Islamic and Jew texts.

[@saul2491]

No. Christianity has always been too easy to dispute. It is utterly defenceless

[@AsherShmuel]

They should make a newer one .

[@AsherShmuel]

By the DW+

[@צמחישראלמרום]

@@AsherShmuel no way. christian will never make such a film.

[@AsherShmuel]

some will .

[@polasn-p3o]

They will censored it to the core

[@AsherShmuel]

probably true

[@TariqTheTutor]

I've been trying to find this movie's soundtracks for a while. I know so far that Michael Nyman is credited for the music but I can't find it anywhere. If someone is familar with the music type, the instruments they play pleasse let me know. Thanks in advance.

[@bobfitz7886]

Me too

[@De-probationibus-conspiratio]

I would love to hear Brother Nathaniel Kapner's take on this film

[@ixxi7774]

Toyah looking like 1990s Mdonna

[@jasonsilver8831]

Surely the messiah has not come, and surely Jesus' message was none other than "observe the mitzvot". And that each and every one of us is capable of great things by the hand of HaShem.

[@D18.21]

Amen!

[@vivectelvanni]

OK but I'm just here for Christopher Lee (and a class but really Christopher Lee).

[@VVeltanschauung187]

Personally love the subject topic itself, but Christopher Lee made it a 10/10. Very cool guy appropriate for an important matter. His voice is enduring

[@צמחישראלמרום]

@@VVeltanschauung187 SO TRUE

[@rebeccazou2850]

if Ramban represent xtian and pablo vive versa the views comments and sharing would hit in billions i hope

[@patri1689]

You do understand that when producing this kinda of movie, it was done according to the liking of the producer right. If a producer makes it look the Rabbi has done well by giving Pablo a weak arguments, then surly it looks like the Rabbi won the arguments. The Rabbi is clever but not honest.

[@Chidavidi]

@@patri1689 It is a recording of the actual arguments they had....

[@bintarosector9]

Baruch Hashem

[@jerrycoomberry2541]

This video is a great example to show Christians how pilpul works.

[@yoheff988]

You can't fight the truth LOL!

[@TheCopticParabolanos]

End theme is nice 1:00:40

[@YasonYou]

Cool film.

[@tobby12347]

38:45 The Ramban had me before he said Jesus didn't claim to be divine. The Sanhedrin had the Romans put HIm to death because He claimed to be the Son of God.

[@WeCube1898]

It was the Roman's who put him to death claiming to be a King and challenging the Authority of Caezar, inviting to sedition.

[@davidschalit907]

That's according to the New Testament. Why do you accept its complete historical validity?

[@maxcano2063]

Que chido wey

[@dpb9178]

Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the soundtrack please?

[@olrappaport7474]

Get the 4K Video Downloader, free, and select the options to download the audio track. www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader

[@shabbatsongs4801]

Entertain the outcome that the church might be converted to Judaism…🙏

[@pedroledoux9779]

In 19th century in France there was a Rabi called Paul Drach who converted to catoliscism. He wrote several books to explain his conversion, all this stuff is available but it is writen in French. Drach explains that to know if Jesus is the Messiah or not it does not matters what matters what judaism says today but how the tradition of the ancient sinagogue interpreted the profets in 1st century. The jewish tradition was refedinied in a biased way after the lost of the temple. It is possible to says that for ancient sinagogue 1) Daniel chapter 9 was interpreted as the 1st century, the Messiah must come in 1st century. In Flavius Jopsephus it is possible to see that it was interpreted in this way in 1st century, the Qumran documents interpret in this way, even talmud interpret in this way. 2) Isaiah 53 was interpreted as Messianic by talmud sanhedrim 98, by the Targum of Jonathan, by the Midrash and also by the documents of Qumran. It seems that it was how it was interpreted in 1st century. 3) The Messiah is divine. The documents of Qumran interpret like that, the analyses of Daniel 7:14 in aramaic tells us that the Son of Man receives worship, but God is the only one who deserves that, thus he is the son of God. The midrashim also gaves support for a divine Messiah.

[@maishchaitoff9684]

why is jesus considered so special, even if he was learned and even if he was a phrophet, what made him special above all the others?

[@VVeltanschauung187]

His miracles, his resurrection, his acute sense of righteousness. Napoleon Bonaparte once said that "All emperors in history founded their empire on force, Jesus found his on love and to this day millions would die for him."

[@saul2491]

What is mohammed considered so special? Why Buddha? Because paul said hey enjoy judaism without no law no shabbat or circumcision to a bunch of Greek. That is why

[@saul2491]

@@VVeltanschauung187 miracles specifically do not help qualify one as the messiah, a prophet or even not a false prophet. Have you not read deuteronomy 13? One of the places talking about identifying identifying false prophet and says even I you do signs and wonders And have plenty of prophecy regarding messiah and messianic age and dont have messiah doing any miracles there at all or being divine in any way. Makes sense noe. Jews look in their tanach where the idea of the messiah came from while other people are like wow mirackes

[@Hebrew42Day]

It would take more than a miracle, it would take the Torah actually saying what your pagan NT says.

[@patri1689]

God is Echad. God is Love. In Echad God, there exist True and Perfect Love. And in Love, there must be Lover and Beloved just like in Knowledge, there must be Knower and Known. So you see in One God--Love--there is a Lover and Beloved. So the Messiah, the LORD, is the Beloved sharing One Love with the Lover. In other words, there is equality between the Lover and the Beloved in diginity and nature and power. And this why Yehshua said, "Before Abraham came to be, I AM" because as the Beloved of the Lover, He shares same Hashem. His Love reveals the Truth about who God is in much deeper and clearer way.

[@maishchaitoff9684]

Echud means one. he is one. That's it. You complicate the meaning by throwing in empty words like "love".

[@sleeexs]

its an idol

[@billfourie7463]

Wow!

[@shallow8564]

Anybody from my history class here?

[@Pianoboy1258]

u go to jec?

[@Pianoboy1258]

went?

[@eliadsavel8015]

read jeremiah 30:9 hosea 3:5 ezekiel 34:23-24 37:24-25

[@patri1689]

Yehshua is not just a man. When He came, though He was in the Form of God He didn't cling into His Godly Form. Rather, He was found in the form of man in order to save man as man thru the power of Holy Spirit. It was and is that human nature needs Salvation and God can only forgive sins and recreate human nature by becoming a man like a Trojan horse entering the territory of the kingdom of Satan and fooling the force of darkness. But not just any man but from within--morally and spiritually and intellectually--Perfect man. His perfection was within than merely in His appearance. The inner being, His Soul, where all things matter. It was the ultimate humility for Word of God to be a man. Only love can induce such humiliation. The Hebrews, while in Pharaoh land, were called to worship Him. So they were saved not for themselves but to worship God and to show the world how to worship Him properly. The Temple worship even though accepted by God, it was not perfect. So for God the Father, the Son by becoming a Man, gives perfect and just offering on behalf of sinners, in return we offenders receive mercy from God the Father.

[@WeCube1898]

Replacement Theology ?

[@patri1689]

@@WeCube1898 "Do not think I have come not to abolish the laws or the Prophets. I am not to destroy but to fulfill." These are the words of Yahshua as ascribed in Matthew Gospel. It is logical that bulls n goats or rams dont offer up perfect sacrifice even when they are offered up for the forgiveness of sin. And let's remember that God says the "life is in the blood." Now which blood is higher or more nobler?? Bulls and rams or human life. Obviously human life. But the crux of the matter is that Yahushua by His word n deed demonstrates he is not just another man but totally united with the power n will of God in His inner being. Therefore, his sacrifice goes way beyond, in its value n meaning, as his priceless life was taken away in a most violent way. So his sacrifice prefects the Old Testament prophesies and messianic anticipation, as we read in Isaiah 53. The one thing that separates us from God is sin. Sin is a crime. The only way to enter into Father-child relationship is only when we attain forgiveness of sin as demanded by God himself. Since God is Perfect Love, God demands perfect response. Since non of us can't do it, God has to come in the likeness of us, to redeem us from the power of satan that rule the world and give us the power of love that destroy the enemy within. This is where faith or trust in Yahushua comes in. He Speaks for us. He intercede for us. His Cross is the truth, and His death on the Cross is the ultimate love and His Resurecction is the basis of our hope and fidelity.

[@sleeexs]

it is an idol

[@patri1689]

@@sleeexs Explain.

[@sleeexs]

@@patri1689 It's simple, the first commandment.

[@Orangestardust]

Why does the Christian monk sound so whiney and evil. Is he supposed to be the villain.

[@michelleg7]

I have to disagree that Nachmanides read the New Testament because he said that Jesus never claimed he was god, that is very incorrect because he did indeed say that especially in the Gospel of Matthew. The talmud was written way after the death of Jesus and the stories about Jesus are more of a Parody against Jesus then it was actual fact. The real thing that Jesus often talked about was Oral Torah of which he was absolutely well informed on it. He was a Rabbi and was deeply religious in the Jewish tradition. Then we look at the fact that Jesus is considered King of the Jews and was a descendant of King David. The King of Judah at the time of Jesus's birth was not a descendant of King David I just want everyone to know that. Yes Herod's family were actually converts to Judaism so not direct descendants of David so its very questionable if they were Messiahs because they had title of King of Judah.

[@Thedunguen9999]

Where did he say I am god. I am the one the made the world ?

[@Averyofthemain]

This was NOT a blow to christianity, as one other has stated. The christian argument isn't that the coming of Jesus was the prophesied utopia but was a coming of redemptive sacrifice, that when there is a resolution of that era, the swords will be beaten in plowshares and the christian messiah will return. The idea that the 'jews are christ' is rediculous in christian theology, it says only that 'jews would produce a savior' not be the savior themselves. In an attempt to justify their own oppression I believe they made themselves christ in their minds, trying to rationalize the relentless pounding. According to Christianity, they suffer because they produced a savior, this made them an object of hate in this 'demon haunted world'. Satan is given a much more prominent position in Christianity as an earthly oppressor, I think this is the main misunderstanding between the two groups.

[@sleeexs]

Say when lol

[@savtamarlene]

Here's something you xians REFUSE to take into account: YOUR bible and religion stands upon the SHOULDERS of Torah. Our Bible came FIRST. Your LYING xian bible and the koran both came MANY centuries later. You insist on REVERSING the order of events, changing words and their accurate meanings and cherry picking verses in OUR Hebrew scriptures to prove chrisology is accurate...when, if you were HONEST, you would read everything in context...read the entire books of Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. Then you wiil see that what we say is true. You can take anything written out of context and totally change the original meaning! Our Torah and the rest of Tenach...Neviim and Ketuvim...are the Word of HaShem, The CREATOR, The ONE and ONLY G-D. HaShem's Torah which He Gave to THREE MILLION Jews at Mt. Sinai...National Revelation...the ONLY NATIONAL REVELATION in the history of man (which, BTW, He tells us never happened previously and will never happen again...and it NEVER has...ALL other religions are ONE man coming up with his religoin and others buying into it!) and subsequent Hebrew writings...THESE are HaShem's Manual of how His human creatures should use His World...how to relate to Him and man to his fellow man. The very first first User's Manual ever written and given...like when we buy a car or appliance from the manufacturer. He Is the Ultimate Manufacturer. So please don't be so arrogant to tell Jews about their G-D Given Tenach. Your xian bible is totally manmade and full of LIES and Distortions. Have a nice day!

[@gayleagibson5228]

ALL I can say, is you just don’t get it do you.

[@gayleagibson5228]

Show me one passage inTanak, where the Messiah is divine.

[@gayleagibson5228]

We Jews do not claim to be the savior, but we are the one spoken of in Isaiah chapter 53.

[@LeonardoGarcia-qt6lf]

"It´s a pity we jews gave you pagans the sense of sin". I think that sums up the greatest sin the "peoples of the book" have commited against mankind. I´d rather have had a an honest debate between the king and the rabbi.

[@SD-qw4xx]

@17:18 The subversion begins!

[@هادي-ذ7ش]

21:16

[@pedroledoux9779]

32:40 Rambam talks about Isaiah 53 interpreted as the Jewish people. But in the real debate in Barcelona he admited that in Agadah there are some writen that interprets the Messiah as suffering servant.

[@WeCube1898]

Read the whole of Isaiah

[@savtamarlene]

You xians LOVE to add to, subtract from, MIStranslate and CHERRY PICK...Cherry Picking is the WORST of all the offenses. READ IT IN CONTEXT...ALL of it!!! Then..lets' talk!

[@davidschalit907]

@@WeCube1898 It's irrelevant, since Jesus didn't fulfill anything, and his followers worship a man. Also, the beginning of Isaiah states that the 'Servant' is Israel.

[@saul2491]

Aggadah is the non halachich part of Talmud Isaiah 53 is def israel. Same as it is from isaiah 42 to 53 the 4 servant songs where israel isspecifically and outright named as the servant. Psalm 44 and all the tanach match up with each verse too as israel

[@pedroledoux9779]

@@saul2491 it does not matter how judaism interprets it today. The only thing that matters is how the ancient sinagogue interpreted it in 1st century. There are evidences that it was interpreted as Messianic in 1st century.

[@joshualeonpearl3724]

49:25

[@shabbatsongs4801]

39:00 ‘Christianity is Merely a heresy of Judaism’

[@balaclavacel]

nope and cringe

[@saul2491]

@@balaclavacel yeah I doesnt go far enough. Christianity is straight out idolatry and the worst possible form of idolatry according to the 10 commandments

[@felipedeoliveira_]

Something I notice regarding non-messianic Jew scholars is when it fits their agenda they use the literal meaning of the scriptures and when not they regard it to figure of speech or parables. G’d commended Moses and the people of Yisrael not to add or subtract and that’s something they keep on doing as well bringing new content the Talmud to holy inspiration. Isaiah 53 is not talking about Israel but it then becomes figure of speech to fit their agenda. The Tanakh is to be taken literally that’s how it was handed to Moses and the prophets. Rabbis are also another creation in the Kingdoms you had only the Prophets and the Levites who did everything according to the written Torah WITHOUT adding and/or subtracting. No where in the Kingdoms you had the Rabbis these interprets of the law because G’d and Him only is the Judge of His own words. Rabbis are a corruption also to what G’d had set. No wonder more than 2 thousand years without a man made temple that shows G’d is not worried and is not necessary at all for Him clearly showing G’d is not part of whatever is going on since Christ’s era begun.

[@marccohen1335]

If Christianity were true to its own declared purpose--if Christ has come to fulfill the Law--a Church would not be necessary. Popes, pastors, preachers would not be necessary. A Bible would not be necessary, and translations would certainly not be necessary. Christians know of their Christ through other people. Christians are constantly interpreting their doctrines and rationalizing their ideas. There is not just one Christianity but many. There have been many disagreements and many bloody wars trying to force ideas when they couldn't be proved. Jews are honest in trying to understand God's will through Reason and empathy.

[@felipedeoliveira_]

@@marccohen1335 Christianity is very similar to judaism you have many sects the catholics are the orthodox jews both follow their own traditions and not the Bible. Protestants would be the sadducees (karaites) following only the scripture and nothing else and so on. But the main thing is Christianity in true is the main sect of judaism. christians is the word in greek and latin for messianics, and it's become evidente by archeological discoveries that after the desstruction of the Temple in 70AD messianics became the main sect in judaism.

[@mathewtillman6729]

Isaiah 53 can't be about Jesus for several reasons, which I can go into if anyone wants to hear them. The rabbis can honestly say Isaiah 53 is speaking of the children of Israel because that fits with the rest of Isaiah; after all, Isaiah NAMED 'the Servant' as being Jacob/Israel several times throughout his book [Isaiah 41:8-9; 44:1-2, 21; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3, 5; by the way, the association of Israel with the servant also appears in Jeremiah 30:10; 46:27-28 and in Psalm 136:22]. The rabbis can ALSO honestly say Isaiah 53 refers to the messiah because in the Tanakh, messiah had a specific meaning: one who was anointed with the Holy Oil of Anointing to serve in one or two of three special offices or capacities: prophet, priest, or king. In the Torah, God called Israel His Priestly Nation. Therefore, Israel is messiah, Isaiah speaks of Israel -- as messiah. The rabbis can ALSO say Isaiah 53 applies to the messiah (although that would be rare, because the messiah himself is not spoken of in Scripture very much, but the Messianic Era is. The fact is, the Messianic Era is far more important than the messiah himself.) Nevertheless, nothing in the passage in Isaiah says the messiah would die without first fulfilling the messianic prophecies... and dying itself is NOT one of the messianic prophecies. (It would be circular reasoning for Christians to say that the messiah dying is one of the messianic prophecies because Isaiah 53 says the messiah will die, and Isaiah 53 is messianic because it speaks of Jesus, who died to fulfill messianic prophecy.)

[@BruceWayne-th8gv]

Does the servant not refer to the nation of Israel in Isaiah chapters 49-52

[@sleeexs]

You add or subtract to the law also. You can't even keep the first commandment

[@sukruoosten]

biggest sad part of ALL IS they both are right hahahaha jesus was is en shall ALWAYS BE A 100% HUMAN/MAN en YHWH ALONE IS LORD GOD 1 ECHAD ADONAI [THE SHEMA]

[@patri1689]

God is One. God is Love. In One Love, there must be Lover and Beloved. So you see in One God--Love--there is a Lover and Beloved. So the Messiah, as LORD, is the Beloved sharing One Love with the Lover. In other words, there is equality between the Lover and the Beloved in diginity and nature and power.

[@maishchaitoff9684]

@@patri1689 No, bible says God is One. No sons nor helpers. Also how is he love? What does that mean?

[@patri1689]

@@maishchaitoff9684 You right God is One. But when a Bible say God is One all it means is that there is NO other than Him. Now you have to know the difference between existence and essence. When it comes to God, God exist as indivisible One Being. But not just another being but One Being qua Being that contains all. And in what manner or what is the essence of this God's existence?? The essence or the whatness that which describe His who-is-ness is LOVE. In Himself, His Love and His Life are One and the same. But it is obvious that God is pure Act meaning God Speaks. This Speech of God is Love. In this speech of Love, creation comes into being. Now, we know God spoke His word, and thru His word, creation comes into existence. What we have to know about Yahushua is that---way before He came as human being, He was that Word of God. This Word is a perfect revelation of the Speaker. U see as in Love, in Speech, there is a Speaker and Bespoken. The point is there is no division in One God. We don't believe in Three Gods. Rather, eternally in God the Speaker/Lover perfectly United with His own Word/Beloved in absolute perfect Speech/Love. God speaks eternally I Love You. We exist in this and by this love. "I" is the Father, "You" is the Son, and they are united perfectly forever in this one pure Perfect "Love" who is the Holy Spirit. Yes God is One and yet God also reveals His existence is an absolute Tri-unity or God is the absolute unity of Three Persons in One.

[@sleeexs]

@@patri1689 It is an idol

[@patri1689]

@@sleeexs Explain.

[@cubedpotatoeshd2479]

Goes to show what a mistake it is to allow these Silver-tongued Devils to chant their incantations and cast their Verbal Black Magic in a legitimate setting.

[@sukruoosten]

both are wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE ONLY RIGHT PATH IS john 17,3 the man lord jesus who died en rose by HIS GOD EN LORD YHWH 1 LORD GOD YAHWEH en 1 MEDIATOR the man christ yahshua christian Unitarianism ONLY RIGHT PATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@johnc4860]

The Jews rightly reject Christianity's false understanding of Messiah being God/Divine, however, they err greatly in rejecting Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah and Savior of the world. The time is coming when the eyes of both Jews and Christians will be opened to the truth that Messiah Yeshua is a 100% man created by his Father and our Father, Almighty YHWH, for the purpose of making us one with our Creator once again.

[@Hazardfootball]

The rabbi clearly showed you Jesus isn't the messiah. I personally think if king James wasn't a king which so much responsibility he would surtenly accept the Jewish faith

[@lindag5116]

Oh stop it already! We are busy finding Jewish converts to Christianity and bringing them back. For 2,000 years, they have been lost to us. Through the Spanish Inquisition, many Jews became lost to us because they had to live in hiding and again through the Reformation and again through the Holocaust, we are always being driving into hiding because of you, yes, you John C. Jews are striving to survive while you plot to destroy us. Know this, our eyes are wide open! We are not going to see your J-sus! I promise you, if I can stop it, we are not going to recognize your J-sus! I'm actively engaged in antimissionary work and I will put a stop to you through education!

[@patrickoconnor9700]

@@lindag5116 I love and respect Jews and Judaism, but that's a bit harsh isn't it? The majority of Christians today aren't an issue for Jews, so many are in support of Israel. Yes, Christianity teaches that Jesus is the Messiah and he is for Jews, but let's all co-exist and live together in peace and love.

[@lindag5116]

@@patrickoconnor9700 The love Christians have for Israel is motivated by their desire to convert Jews. They move into Israel, set up shop and target Jews for conversion.

[@patrickoconnor9700]

@@lindag5116 Not true, I can't speak for everyone, but a lot are in support of Israel because it's Biblical, because it's what God says in the Bible. Christians are by the greatest friends Jewish people have today, again, I'm not talking about antisemites, I'm talking about the majority of the world's Christendom who love Jewish people. Don't let them twist the narrative on our ancient religions, of course there has been a negative history, but Jews and Christians have also had a positive history, the differences are only theological, the values however are dearly held by both Judaism and Christianity, peace, harmony, love, giving, making the world a better place etc, they are virtually identical. Which is why they are called Judeo-Christian values, so let's unite as people made in the image of God and honour our Creator and make the world a better, peaceful place.

[@sukruoosten]

saddest of all is BOTH ARE WRONG ! there is no god BESIDES YHWH EN YHWH ALONE IS LORD GOD 1 en Christ is our ONLY 100%HUMAN MEDIATOR !!!!!!!

[@sleeexs]

Lol all the prophets of Israel were mediators, to revere something to such an extent is idol worship.

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