The Disturbing Case of Sabrina Zunich

[@MrMarkdevir]

The disturbing case of me watching way too many of these.

[@wordlady88]

Same though

[@andreaasheim6223]

same shiiiit..............

[@gladyscruz7110]

Disturbing at it's best. Pure evil. .

[@sammybradley2783]

Lol

[@sammybradley2783]

I can’t help it

[@sarcasm-83]

"Also in the wardrobe they found the three year old daughter Haley..." Oh my God no... "....sobbing" Oh thank God...

[@them4ster4]

I dunno, that poor kid is going to have some serious mental health issues going forward

[@sarcasm-83]

@@them4ster4 ...Yeah... :( We can only hope that her being only 3 results in her blocking the memory away eventually. Though that can definitely leave a lasting trauma aswell...

[@quito59]

My cousin's granddaughter & grandson was in the apt where their mom was murdered. Granddaughter was 5 and grandson was 1 1/2 years old. They didn't witness it but when the girl woke up, she went into her mom's bedroom. There was a pillow over her so the girl pulled it off. Her mom's head fell forward. The girl went into her brother's room, somehow got him out of the crib and they went to a neighbor's and said she couldn't get her mom to wake up. She remembers that. I can't imagine what these girls are going to go through.

[@zanagi]

poor girl, she had a great smile in her photos

[@Eddthompson]

I was 5 when my mother's boyfriend shot his wife in her car behind us. Didn't see anything but sites did hear it. The bang and the screams. Yes I still have nightmares and it's almost 45 years. And people wonder why I don't want anything to do with my mom.

[@piratehqqker]

That poor little 13 year old girl having to make that 911 call. I can’t even imagine

[@amandahudson431]

The 3 yr old in a closet listening to her mom scream

[@piratehqqker]

Amanda Hudson so sad

[@Scorch428]

How was she planning on getting away with it?? With a witness right there?? I mean shes 18, an adult...lets think about this... she prolly went to get some painkillers like she said, got caught by mom, had an argument and flipped out...

[@dalegribble5661]

@@amandahudson431 YES!!!! That poor 3 year old baby😢😢😢😢😢

[@dalegribble5661]

THE 3 YEAR OLD WHO WITNESSED IT

[@traveltm]

When daughter called 911 states “my sister”. Heartbreaking. They accepted her as full sibling

[@namastenurse]

That broke me. I’m a foster parent. We have adopted many times over. That. Broke. Me.

[@oh-not-the-bees7872]

Yeah that's pretty fuckin sad.

[@brimanzano5936]

“Please restrain yourself.” He is restraining himself. From beating the shit out of Kevin.

[@BloodfoxV]

I would have said "WHY? how dare you or anyone else tell me to restrain myself verbally. This is my time to speak express my myself in my righteous grief and outrage!"

[@bonniemagpie1552]

Lisa's dad should be cursing the foster girl.

[@TigreCorazon]

He was restraining himself soo damn hard from lunging at that man and beating him to shit

[@rydz656]

He's such a drama queen.

[@PronatorTendon]

They would have carried me out of that courtroom after that. Screaming all the way

[@misaluv1254]

that “hey you” feels like a hug every time

[@chuxtin]

Me too. I also feel like he honestly does "truly appreciate it".

[@sw.1984]

Yes, its comforting.

[@charlisays]

It does! I think we just need 5 minutes of hey yous after these disturbing vids!

[@tiffanykaye661]

AGREED!! 🤗

[@redplanetaryskywalker1118]

Fr huh

[@neophantomyt1435]

The victims family and friends should be able to say what ever they want to the monster that set up her murder. This is the only time I have seen a judge stop them. When trying to express how they feel.

[@noweare1]

Some judges let it rip, others don't. This judge should of let anything go.

[@Dean444ful]

Yeah, some victim impact statements have cussed out and wished the worst on the defendant and the judge lets it fly. Harshest thing this guy said was “you’re a piece of crap” and that was pretty tame in comparison. Don’t know why the judge stepped in

[@gerryattrik4410]

His lawyer was all “ohhhh he’s belittling my client”. Defence lawyers are scum.

[@odobenus159]

@@gerryattrik4410 No shit. Post conviction and everything. Literally defending a chomo.

[@neonwired4978]

there's no real evidence of that. Never trust a jury

[@TeeHeejab]

I have never heard of objecting during victim impact statements. Obscene.

[@leetheflea4096]

It takes a special kind of scumbag

[@detrajackson5992]

Ikr!?! I wanted to say "Well I OBJECT! To YOUR objection!!!"

[@meghan111510]

Judge is GARBAGE

[@daniellaruso6776]

I was so disappointed while the ex husband was reading his victim impact statement that he didn’t get off on the defendant with at least 1 of the most solid sucker punches ever.. he was like 3 feet from him.. all the cops were a good 6 feet behind him.. he could have easily at least got him with a solid right hook to the right ear.. I wish he was a street guy or ex con and during his victim impact snuck a little razor in with him and got to get a few good slices to the piece of shits whole side of his face.. that would have been so satisfying…. Hopefully in prison in happens…

[@Odette321]

His lawyer is a POS.

[@jrnatividad]

Kevin later tried to sue his lawyers for Malpractice and lost. However, due to his lawsuit, against them his lawyers were no longer bound to attorney-client privilege and stated in their cross complaint that he confessed his involvement in various counts against him.

[@DD-d6d3]

@@CAHSR2020 There was a lot more evidence than Mike covered in the video. The police were able to recover text messages where the husband said things to Sabrina like, we will be together after Friday.

[@CAHSR2020]

For me the really obvious screw up was when he said "from our position" which is a bizarre and overtly conciliatory way to open your rebuttal.

[@guitarbrad]

Do you happen to know what happened to the two daughters? I'd be very interested to know where they are and if they're okay. (I don't think Mike covered that.)

[@merncat75]

@@DD-d6d3 He mentions it @9:20 - he just didn't specify that it was said through text and he didn't say it word for word.

[@DD-d6d3]

Facts

[@quintaprissilla9141]

Honestly i think Sabrina was very troubled.. BUT she had her own mind and knew this was wrong and she still went through with it. They’re both guilty as hell.

[@emiliyah8890]

Like oopsies I shouldn't have adopted that one!! Age 18

[@MorteDallAlto]

They are both guilty for sure, but even the most well adjusted teenager's brain isn't fully developed yet and won't be until approximately 25 years of age. This difference between an adult and adolescent brain especially pertains to the prefrontal cortex, the 'rational' part of the brain responsible for good judgement and awareness of long-term consequences. And for a teen that had been through the trauma she had, to then be exploited sexually and otherwise by a father figure? Yeah, I think he is a tad more culpable here.

[@maryannanderson7517]

Poor little Sabrina. "I was (sob, sob) MANIPULATED into doing it." Sabrina, darlin', if you are doing this because someone manipulated you into doing it I would think three or four stabs would have been all that would have been necessary and would have satisfied the person who was doing the manipulating. But dearest, you stabbed her 178 times! That is not manipulation! That is dear old Sabrina wanting to make sure this woman is dead so you can step into her shoes and take over her life. Yep, you're young. So? All that means is that you're a young POS! Every time I watch a case as disturbing as this one where the bad guys are so terribly despicable, I find myself wondering if the defense attorneys rush out of the courtroom to take a shower to try to get the stench from their client off of them or are they so lacking in morals that it doesn't bother them to represent slime like this. I know that everyone is entitled to be represented but there is no way I would take a piece of trash like this as my client. I saw an attorney once who was forced by the judge to take a case like this but he talked his client into pleading guilty and then all of his time in trial was spent explaining why his client should receive a life sentence instead of being sentenced to death. He was one of those rare birds that I personally have seldom seen...a lawyer with integrity.

[@KatieRaeRae]

178 times is pure rage.

[@MorteDallAlto]

@Amanda Charlebois Thank you! You summed it up much more comprehensively than I could, especially to do with the amount of different factors at play in this girl's situation.

[@rozesrblu]

Tragedy! I was a foster care worker. Hearing Sabrina's psych and drug problems, she should've been sent to a residential treatment facility, not a foster home.

[@ririimari]

I worked for years in a level 14 California residential facility. LOTS of kids like this, and worse. Lots.

[@jakobtaillon-rodrigue3412]

Debi Maybe they thought that if she was put in a home with a social worker, it would be “just as good” (I don’t agree with it, just trying to understand the decision)?

[@tarrahschuessler3297]

2 beans 1 cream Amen!!

[@rozesrblu]

@@jakobtaillon-rodrigue3412That was probably their logic considering the foster mom worked with troubled kids.

[@tarrahschuessler3297]

jeff jones a little more than your mama🖕🏼

[@YerMum]

19:32 : That granny knitting in the back ... That's the level of unbothered I aspire to achieve as a senior citizen

[@MrzBadaBing]

Lmao I said the same thing wtffff

[@marina7592]

I think they are nuns or female pastors.

[@TheIllumineGroup]

Omg yes! I am always telling people, ut uh...I can't be bothered lol I must work harder to attain that lady's level of unbothered :)

[@leob4403]

@@TheIllumineGroup it can help in stressful situations to do something like that, it doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't care

[@TheIllumineGroup]

@@leob4403 i bet it is very relaxing. I tried crocheting at one time maybe I'll pick it back up. I never said she didn't care. I said she was unbothered. Nothing could throw her for a loop if you will. She had attained a certain level of unfazed no matter what could be throw at her if you will. Nothing to imply she didn't care, only in control of her actions and reactions.

[@shawnrowell6195]

Those grannies crocheting like nothing’s going on while listening to the vile details of a violent crime... I see my future.

[@cloudie8314]

🤭

[@NicoleGracePace]

I saw that too, and was like, "Shit, how can I get into a viewing of a trial so that I can sit, knit, and make disapproving faces?"

[@StoneColdFox17]

Same!! 🤣

[@bcvids9]

Same!

[@MultiKm1]

"Ma'am, please stop cross stitching 'HE GUILTY' for every trial and showing it to juries."

[@rebeccachase5791]

bruh nobody talking about the old lady just knitting a whole ass blanket during a murder trial?😭

[@dwightschrutebeetfarms]

HAHAHAHA yesss I was watching her, she crocheting like a fiend

[@gayledimitri5887]

I saw a woman doing the same in another case. Apparently, it’s soothing 🤣🤣🤣

[@beckygonzalez4048]

😭😭I was just thinking the same thing 😭

[@xxxYouTunesxxx]

I had a classmate in university that did the same thing. she said it helped her focus

[@chrissy0037]

I just made the same comment lmao.

[@pamiam9017]

It annoys me that the victim impact statements have to avoid "belittling" the perpetrator. Why do their feelings matter more than the victims?

[@yam1146]

Right

[@Nick-ce6lt]

Judges are people and dehumanizing the criminal might have the effect of resulting in an unfair sentence.

[@pamiam9017]

@@Nick-ce6lt by the time they get to the victim impact statements the evidence has already been heard so the j udge will have a pretty good idea of what kind of person the perpetrator is.

[@Nick-ce6lt]

@@pamiam9017 again, judges are not robots, their opinion can be skewed by emotions at the end despite what they learnt through the course of the trial. Also if the victim impact statement is enough then why have victims speak at all? It's easy hate this guy because he is a remorseless murderer scary bad guy, but imagine if it was a black man in the 30s with sketchy evidence and it's up to the judge to decide whether to put him on death row or not. These rules exist to protect those people in the grey areas from prejudice, and should be consistently applied even in the straightforward cases.

[@ParasiteEvel]

@@Nick-ce6lt Lol so why is it different in other cases? Ive seen plenty where they let them belittle and call the defendant a monster, piece of shit, worse then "a piece of crap hope you rot." So i doubt its a court rule, its just how that particular judge ran his court.

[@LoveThinkLaugh]

Kevin’s lawyer: There were three victims in this case - Lisa Knofel, Haley Knofel, and Kevin Knofel. Uh, where’s Megan? Lisa’s other daughter doesn’t count, but her husband on trial does? If that was just a “slip up” on the lawyer’s part, what a fekkin’ slip...

[@MoA-Reload...]

Was thinking the same and I wound it back. The oh so innocent "3rd victim" didn't even bat an eyelid at his wife's other daughter not being mentioned. I honestly don't think he even cares that his own toddler was caught up in it all.

[@meghan111510]

Thank you. What a dumbass statement that was.

[@Odette321]

She didn't count because she isn't biologically that POS's kid. That POS doesn't even care about the 3yr old to be honest other than to use her.

[@brev5057]

Unreal eh?

[@laurenc5652]

I was thinking maybe because the 3 year old daughter was still a minor at the time of trial, he didn't say her name. I could be wrong though. It's messed up, I agree

[@lotorsempire90]

I really hate it when Judges tell the victims to be calm when telling a murderer off.

[@Padilla4042]

Lotors Empire agreed..and the lawyer that tries to defend after the conviction..

[@CrackingCody]

Also: judges HAVE to be as impartial as possible, they can’t just let witnesses or attorneys to verbally attack either party, they’ve gotta be composed on both sides. Especially when everyone is ALLEGED until proven guilty. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@1989Ezal]

No emotions, be professional.

[@levitatingoctahedron922]

there wasn't any actual evidence to convict him with. this was a feels over facts case, that's why the judge had a problem with it.

[@kkdream99]

levitating octahedron you’ve gotta be kidding

[@xDiaatm]

When you file for life insurance hours after finding out your wife is dead... You're asking for life in prison.

[@kevinzhu6417]

I never understood this, did all these murderers ever think that "conveniently" getting life insurance on someone who recently got murdered wouldnt look suspicious?

[@Sanchez71461]

@@kevinzhu6417 I guess the plan that he was looking to execute got him a bit too excited when it was finally in play and exposed himself. It’s what I’m thinking

[@YuLi-gx2ep]

in general, to file life insurance on someone is being weird and suspicious, people should do it personally for themselves

[@bleebleeblahblah]

can you even do that after the fact

[@StarkeyatRingo]

that's called American Capitalism - what about bankers funding both sides of a World War?

[@joycegeertsma7115]

Lisa's ex husband DID show restraint by just calling Kevin a piece of crap. In fact I admire his restraint.

[@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou]

Thought it was pretty pathetic that the judge was allowing him to be interrupted over stupid reasons.

[@freepremium5886]

Lol he had it up to here with lisa.

[@redswift31]

The defense attorney was annoying. Just shut the hell up and let the man say his peace.

[@netsk1679]

I agree, I'd have said much worse.

[@bobthompson4319]

@benny pitt not saying I believe one way or the other but its obviously not above sabrina to kill the mans wife if sabrina was making passes at him and he turned her down saying I'm a married man. So to get what she wanted she killed her foster mother.

[@BlueAmerican26]

"restrain yourself" He said crap, when he could of said shit. Sounds like restraint to me.

[@meghan111510]

Exactly, garbage judge

[@brev5057]

Idk...shit seems too soft as well.

[@daniellee1722]

that judge is a weirdo control freak. 'crap' is said on network tv shows

[@SynZ777]

Those children who witnessed it are gonna be ruined for life. How can one recover after seeing something like that?

[@kellyc2425]

$6.3 million is a good start.

[@morbidoutlook]

@@kellyc2425 I'm sure those children would MUCH rather have their mother than any amount of money.

[@skylerbaker000]

Yeah. My exact thought when he mentioned the 3 year old hiding in the closet bawling. Kids develop PTSD from witnessing much less. Those kids have a battle ahead of them. Godspeed.

[@karendavis4607]

Luckfully the 3 year old won't remember much , also sad because she won't remember her mom either. That guy didn't care about any of them , he just wanted the money. I guess non of these idiots watch any crime shows , how can the think they will get away with this shit ?

[@skylerbaker000]

@@karendavis4607 Im no psychologist, but I'm guessing you'd have to be somewhat of a sociopath/psychopath to carry something like this out. With that being said, it could be the fact that people like this are so blinded by narcissism that they fail to really consider or accept a reality where they DONT get their way. Alot of them are brilliantly manipulative, but not so much rational. This is why alot of killers get caught (take Jeffrey Dahmer or Ed Kemper) for example. They get so caught up in their craft, so consumed by their abilities, that they get too cocky. Dahmer got to the point where he was taking the severed heads of his victims to work with him and storing them in his locker while he was on his shift. All it would have taken was someone to open it. This is psychosis.

[@adambeckett8394]

Any bets that Kevin was planning on ditching Sabrina as soon as she'd killed his wife for him? All that insurance money, no wife, no psychotic foster daughter...it was all going to be his.

[@candirockstar135]

Exactly. She was just a tool for his dirty work, nothing more. He wasn't "in love"...

[@little_lion_heart9850]

@@NuevoExistence Desperately wanting to see her may not be out of love though, it could be to make sure she didn't crack under pressure and throw him under the bus.

[@little_lion_heart9850]

@@NuevoExistence Don't underestimate people's stupidity. There is plenty of evidence that IS used in courts from a person calling the person in jail (is recorded) or coming to talk to them in person (is recorded) trying to convince them not to implicate them. They often try to do it in vague terms to try to evade making themselves guilty.

[@bonniemagpie1552]

Foster shit needed no help whatsoever with the knife. Hate her.

[@lilivonshtup3808]

@@NuevoExistence Maybe he desperately wanted to see her because he wanted to make sure she would keep her mouth shut about him being involved. People who think they know-it-all crack me up.

[@michaeldietz9026]

"she's doing what to your mom with a knife?" Lady... Come on now.

[@kryssyskloud]

michael dietz Exactly! 🙄

[@einienj3281]

I guess there's a lot of things You can do to someone with a knife..? 🤔 Hhmmm..?

[@Marshmallow_Trees]

Right?? Like...what? Preparing dinner? Carving soap?

[@SlimeBlueMS]

Lmfao this part killed me. Like uhhh... im calling the police... someone has a knife... does it really matter what exactly theyre doing to a human being with it? Lmao

[@purodeathcore]

i swear.... shit be driving me nuts

[@alician_stump]

Poor Lisa, it absolutely breaks my heart that she isn’t here to defend herself. All she wanted to do was help children, so her sick husband groomed and manipulated a child to take her life, so twisted.

[@terencebc]

*BOTH* of them are equally guilty. I’m tired of people labeling this girl as a victim, she stabbed her mother figure hundreds of times and played a little comedy role on the phone. May these 2 monsters never see freedom ever again.

[@camrynduncan9647]

23:50 OMG LET THE MAN SPEAK. He has one chance to express his feelings to the man who is responsible for murder. SO LET HIM DO IT. “You can’t belittle the defendant blah blah blah” Oh shut up

[@tickledtoffee]

Camryn Duncan yes! “Don’t insult the man who’s responsible for the murder of your little girl’s mother, it’s not nice” What’s the point of this “opportunity” to speak if the judge won’t let him speak?

[@bestredditstories1158]

Well, you can’t. That’s why the defense attorney objected

[@lukehewko260]

There are rules in court. Belittling the defendant/anybody involved in the case can sway the outcome and emotionally contaminate the jury. You absolutely cannot do that.

[@wishb0ne]

Luke Hewko hadn’t the jury already deliberated? I thought they did the family statement after they had already come to a decision but before they handed down the sentence?

[@tickledtoffee]

wishbone yes, he’d been convicted but not sentenced when the family made their statements

[@CarayMay]

A lot of cases featuring people who'd rather become murderers than divorcees, as well as others who apparently can better stand life sentences than romantic rejection. What's up with that.

[@mikehunt8375]

Well, prison isn't really all that bad... Probably better then a shitty marriage. Well actually I know it is.

[@mar6488]

@@mikehunt8375 you know about prison being better or marriage being worse? Or both? 🤔

[@genova4485]

Iife insurance u forgot about that.

[@kermitgrover]

Dont kink shame

[@SammySam7x]

Money is the root of this

[@Laurenishful]

The ex husband looked like he wanted to tear him apart. Rightly so. It just have been so hard to show restraint.

[@dirkydirk3070]

She left him and married a fuckchop that had sex with a foster kid who killed her. I'd be pretty shitty too if I was the ex husband

[@mrhacker-xr7zv]

Why'd she dump him sounds like a bad choice

[@deadazzz]

@@mrhacker-xr7zv people leave good people all the time for trash Just like people leave bad people for being trash.

[@mrhacker-xr7zv]

@@deadazzz I understand

[@pattykochenower4222]

I wish the judge would of let him say what that piece of S*** deserved !!! The defense lawyer saying he can’t be little him... wtf !!! 😡

[@dirtstash2951]

Mike, you’re the only person who can make me feel down right disturbed and then giggle the very next second. Appreciate you!

[@lesyeuxsansvisage1157]

It’s gross that you can find ANY of this humorous.

[@didi012578]

@@lesyeuxsansvisage1157 Have you seen this video? Are you familiar with Mike's humor in them? Yes. Humor. He's funny. These cases are all tragic. We know! Get off your high horse.

[@jasonbrewer6714]

@@lesyeuxsansvisage1157 you smell of fake moral superiority.

[@yvonne4978]

I thought the same thing! When Mike did that "K-noeful..stabbed with a k-nife" bit at the end is what made me smile Cause he really had me going, feeling their pain, such a good story teller. But i literally cracked up on that

[@yvonne4978]

@@didi012578 you tell 'em!

[@illymation]

That is such intense trauma for the kids... that’s the kind of stuff that causes DID in young kids like the 3 year old. So disgusting and unfair :(

[@squidlounge7660]

DID is extraordinarily rare and is up for debate on the reality of it. I won't argue however that those girls will suffer for the rest of their lives from PTSD, nightmares and/or many other mental issues.

[@rokenrolchild]

@@squidlounge7660 DID is not that uncommon, about the same amount of people who have ginger hair has DID. there are even studies documenting changes in brains of people with DID. plus it's in the DSM, meaning it's recognised as a diagnosable mental illness.

[@carolinerowles5951]

@@rokenrolchild I've never heard of DID, what is it?

[@plant707]

@@carolinerowles5951 Dissociative identity disorder. It was previously known as multiple personality disorder, which pretty much explains what it is. The minds of very young children often can't deal with severe trauma, so they "break into pieces", resulting in several personalities in one body and typically amnesia between them.

[@carolinerowles5951]

@@plant707 thanks for the info. It'll probably be called something else in a few yrs lol! I had depression for years but now I have borderline personality disorder, sounds fancier though 😉

[@vaden706]

The fear Lisa must have felt knowing her precious 3 year old daughter was in the room while she's being murdered... my god

[@Scorch428]

Poor her. She gets 6 million dollars. Most victims get nothing.

[@jessmorri7194]

@@Scorch428 um are you saying that her receiving a large amount of money is worth her witnessing her mother being stabbed to death by her foster sibling?

[@boogiemonstermom677]

@@Scorch428 I can see where you're coming from, but no amount of money can replace your mommy. Some of that's gonna go to trying to keep herself on track mentally, if it's even possible. She's gonna suffer the rest of her life just like all victims left behind, with or without that money. Now she has no parents at all.

[@pattystone4157]

@@Scorch428 Yes, poor her. No amount of money replaces a lost loved one. I’ve lost my entire family and I would live in a box to have them back.

[@annettedailey6743]

@@Scorch428 Theres no amount of money to make up for losing your mom in such a horrific way.

[@beautifullycreated9403]

I can't imagine what her children went through while this horrible act was taking place...my heart goes out to them

[@luisf.9429]

@Sun Worshipper the 13 year old knew what was going on, she literally called the cops saying her older sister killed her mom crying hysterically. I feel bad for them witnessing everything especially them seeing all the blood that had to be all over the place. They are definitely traumatized and will need counseling.

[@FitByTheLake]

@@luisf.9429 I think the OP meant mentally.

[@bonniemagpie1552]

The foster horror couldn't care less how she hurt others.

[@amandagrant1982]

I can’t believe she was stabbed 178 times…I’ve been a fan of your channel for two years and thought I’d seen all your videos.This was shocking and disturbing on every aspect.

[@afrarunduml1170]

In Germany the foster child has to be younger than the youngest biological child. Yes, now I see why

[@savitaram3975]

Same here.

[@rydz656]

That does nothing.

[@bodypumpable]

Oh wow. Interesting

[@jordyw469]

I feel bad for a ton of the older kids in foster care

[@afrarunduml1170]

@@jordyw469 why? They are in families without biological children or grown up children. That is not bad it all. There is another rule, Every child in the house has to have their own room. So for example, I would love to foster a child, but my house has 4 bedrooms and I have three biological children. I have mixed feelings on this rule. You are also not allowed to have more than, I think, six foster children at the same time. But in Germany are very few children in resident homes. The most wich are in, have very special needs, a normal household can't provide.

[@kyleesherwood1451]

I went to high school with Megan... it’s so eerie to hear her voice like that. She was such a sweet girl, and was very kind to everyone in school. She didn’t deserve this.

[@mov1ngforward]

Be her friend. 🙏❣

[@qrowing]

"She's doing WHAT to your mom with a knife? You need to speak up so I can hear you." Listen here lady. What the HECK do you think is happening with the knife?

[@mariamiamonteleone]

Right

[@kap3469]

Sword and scale has some cases with infuriating 911 operators. That will for sure piss you off. Some people should NOT be in that occupation straight up.

[@jarvis8635]

Operators are supposed to confirm exactly what is going on for numerous reasons. One it helps in the following investigation to have a play by play in the moment, the information also is relayed to first responders. The correct information can save lives. The help is already heading out, the operator just needs to keep the other person on the line. There are cases of inept operators, this is not one of them.

[@crashtatti]

pretty sure they have to relay this info to the cops so they need to know & in a high pressure situation it can be dangerous to infer things rather then get the correct info, plus i think she was very professional especially when compared to what we usually hear on the news

[@yvechapman9342]

RIGHT?!?

[@SneakerFreakPhilly]

Man, that victim impact statement combined with Lisa's friend over his shoulder trying to contain her emotions got to me.

[@kingjinder5421]

Your wife is dead and you file for life insurance just hours after?!?! you've just handed yourself a life sentence.

[@sueauger8715]

You just can't fix stupid. Its a life sentence

[@EYE_GOTCHA]

That should have been the *last* thing on his mind. What an idiotic waste of oxygen he is. 🙄

[@13104180]

True

[@dublev78]

And got mad when he couldn’t visit her killer in jail....

[@sanmicol]

My late father in laws brother did the same thing when we got back from the funeral the first thing he did was call the insurance comp@ny🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡

[@amyntut]

Those poor girls seeing their mother being murdered , So devastatingly heartbreaking. A betrayal to those girls and Lisa who only tried to love her.

[@AliceA333]

@SAMSQUATCH Moss The dad wouldn't tell her to kill the kids, she was supposed to claim self defense but she couldn't do that with 2 kids.

[@AliceA333]

Thankfully the 13 year old put the baby in a closet, I hope she missed the whole thing 🙁

[@KaoStarrBellydance]

I feel so sad for the biological children. On the 911 call, the 13yr old said "my sister is killing my mom".. truth is, she's not her sister and it's traumatic enough to have that experience, but to attach the idea that your own sister did it? It shows how much she accepted Sabrina into her family, but also , it deepens the trauma.

[@bonniemagpie1552]

@@KaoStarrBellydance ; She's a horror who should never have been let out of the institution. Very jealous of Lisa, the nurturing mother and wife she was, this foster wanted everything she had.

[@wordplay1415]

I commend the father for not leaping over and knocking him in the head. He didn’t even use profanity 👏🏽

[@TonyGearSolid]

"I did not have relations with my foster daughter." The 200000 texts you sent her say otherwise.

[@kristtophon]

yeah...give him life without parole on that. A proper justice system u got there

[@kimjakab2214]

@@kristtophon Did you consider what the texts you don't have access to said?

[@ItsAlwaysRusty]

@@kristtophon Better than Europe or Canada where murderers can get out after 25 years.. Take a life and parole shouldn't be an option.

[@munky342]

@@ItsAlwaysRusty throw shade at Europe all you like, but I presume you mean the UK. Which then just shows your lack of education, because there are bigger sentences than the standard life (25 years).

[@brev5057]

Lol may as well have been 200k lol.

[@amye4131]

What a creep the father was/is. It's so sad that the wife died so horrifically and now the young daughter is without a mother and father. Killing someone is at a whole level I will never understand....just pure evil.

[@louisejackson8770]

I feel for the two younger girls. Absolutely heartbreaking that the 13 year old had to witness that and the 3 year old in the wardrobe 😢 I hope they can find peace in their life's. Heartbreaking.

[@Scorch428]

the 3 year old wont remember shit....do you remmeber anything from when you were 3?

[@whiskeylullaby5707]

@@Scorch428 yes I do remember things from when I was 3. Trust me child is going to remember something that traumatic. You're brain soaks in EVERYTHING

[@AnxiousAlien...]

And they lost both parents..

[@tasosdiaforetico7377]

It's way to traumatic poor kids, hope they bond well over the years support each other

[@izzywilson6265]

@@Scorch428 even if she doesn’t remember it consciously, there’s been studies that suggest childhood and infantile trauma can follow into adult hood no matter the age. There’s even evidence that a traumatic birth, (such as breaching ect.) can lead to behavioural issues in young children. Trauma impacts the psyche wether it is remembered or not.

[@tanyachristensen5330]

The guilt the poor woman who placed Sabrina in that home.Tried to give her a better life,a chance and then....this. A tragic perfect storm. I feel for the little children and hope they find peace.

[@leob4403]

Hopefully she learnt a lesson

[@blacksmartie8801]

@@leob4403 What lesson? To give up on children in need? STFU.

[@SneakerFreakPhilly]

She probably thought who better to take Sabrina in than another social worker.

[@michelej9496]

@@SneakerFreakPhilly Social Workers I've seen don't do a good job in their professional careers, the help exacerbate problems for those in serious need of protection.

[@chadchad6631]

She stabbed her 178 times... try doing anything 178 times, even counting to 178. INSANE!

[@greymeg3064]

178 cuts tho

[@calebconnell737]

I was done at 28 Insane

[@marcdraco2189]

Something mentally out of whack with that kid and that poor woman to get her as a daughter.

[@dablocishot77]

She was cut 170+ times. Stabbed 12.

[@tobeapearl]

I thought he said 12 times?

[@williamherold1776]

Dude out of all the others that do this crime stuff you are by far the best. It's your delivery and mannerisms

[@valmiro4164]

That poor 3 year old saw and heard everything, she'll be scarred for life

[@dukeofengland]

I reckon she might be too young to remember it, hopefully

[@aidanschram9652]

The 13 year old is going to be more traumatized

[@shawneenpady9049]

Meh maybe. Big chance she won’t remember but if she’s scarred it will be because she understands what happened

[@merncat75]

@@dukeofengland let's hope not but in my own personal life experiences.. I grew up in an abusive household and I have memories as far back as being in a crib (seriously) All of my traumatic and upsetting memories are clear as day from that age.. nobody believed me until I told my sister and Mom about specific incidences I had vivid memories of.

[@chasemcdude9231]

Yay, maybe we'll get another season of Dexter after all.

[@VaunShiz]

I like how the court pretends they are above letting the ex husband insult Kevin... Let him insult him who the fxk cares

[@clarkkent2220]

It's like they want the perp to be complimented

[@gooblord9006]

defense lawyer was just doing his job, but he should have realized what a slimeball piece of shit his client was. Judge was probably trying to be unbiased as possible maybe didnt want any excuse for appeals. He deserved to hear it all tho, hope he rots in prison.

[@drasiella]

All must behave in the court of law, its not prudence but a warning before a fine.

[@pamiam9017]

It annoys me too, Why not let the victims express the impact this has had on them in it's raw form, it's called a Victim Impact statement FFS. The judge in the sentencing of the Christchurch Mosque killer allowed it and I bet if gave those families healing.

[@jomiles3605]

@RiverOfSouls lol what? doesn't matter if guilty or innocent, the guy still has the right to an attorney. lawyers still have a job to do, I bet its so much harder for them to properly defend their client when they have their own suspicions

[@Rayanderson2529]

Sabrina's first parole date is 2042 she is serving a life sentence as well. Just some extra info.. great stuff! New to the channel and been bingeing for 6 hours..

[@indi3066]

Good to know,thank you. Hope she'll never gets alive out of it

[@Rayanderson2529]

@@looking4things669 miss Texas finesse?

[@wendywinn270]

Hope you are in great health.. Take care of ur self

[@looking4things669]

@@Rayanderson2529 Just saying hello. Nothing more than that.

[@JGriffin5150]

@@looking4things669 he questioned what u said bcuz he u called the man a "miss"

[@rca6576]

This girl was born into a horrible situation and then on to foster care to a family where the "father" groomed her, sexually abused her, and then manipulated her into killing his wife. She was a CHILD, A MINOR. A disturbed one at that. I she guilty? Hell yes! The mother knew and blamed her. A mother who worked with SA survivors. This whole story stinks to high heaven in every way possible. RIP Lisa.

[@lynnpurcell7583]

Killing someone with a knife is very personal, I don't think she should ever be paroled. Good video tho, thanks!

[@kevindube7096]

If prison was actually meant to rehabilitate people & change them for the better, I’d say give her a chance at parole one day. Bbbbbuuuuuut it’s not, so I agree with you 100%

[@phoneone1371]

This is actually the only TC that iam not convinced the guy is guilty,although the girl definitely is messed up

[@P9rkour90]

Lynn Purcell women always get it easiest

[@lisacundiff8029]

@@kevindube7096 Prisons in the US are not for rehabilitation for sure..but there are prisons in other countries that emphasize rehabilitation and they have lower recidivism rates.

[@xeedflarian9748]

@fullmetaljaco I agree that type of killing is from hatred and jealousy. She need no coercion to do that killing. She shouldn't be paroled that murder was gruesome.

[@viktoriaregis6645]

We don't know anything about her ex husbands and her marriage, but it is touching in a way, when an ex spouse gives a statement like her exhusband did. He obviously still cared alot about her and made no distinction between the two sisters. It is so often marriages today leaves big wounds with divorce trials and custody battles. I found it touching to see that he was standing by her side and obvious was moved and sincerely sad.

[@SeanShimamoto]

I agree. In a world where I see less and less good men out there, it was very refreshing to see a good man who stood by his ex-wife like that…and I’m glad you noticed that he referred to them as simply sisters, that was a small but very sweet gesture. In a horrible case like this one, seeing the smallest silver linings sometimes helps. Sending you & your ohana lotsa love & aloha from Honolulu, Viktoria! Take care. 😄❤️🤙🏽🌈☀️ (just Hawaiʻi symbols)

[@dr.decker3623]

He wanted the life insurance money to go to him,.. that is why, Kevin was convicted on hearsay, and the texts never got used as evidence because it would only implicate Sabrina further and not Kevin.

[@annmariebarratt4213]

I totally agree! But I am glad to say that my ex-husband and I get along really well. We where married for nearly 25 years and have 3 kids. He had an affair, had one for nearly a year. He then decided he wanted a divorce. Broke my hart and yess I was not just hurt, but really, really angry. Thank God I past that, I could not hate the man I loved for so long. I hated what he had done!!!! But not the man. We have been divorced for 8 years now, and we get along great. Ooh, he did marry the woman he had the affair with. And yess, I get along with her as well. Holding on to hate does not get you anywhere!!! And we will always be connected cause of the kids. I would rather then get along, than show our children how to hate! And he will always have a place in my hart, and the kids never, never heard me say a bad word about their dad. The love him, who am I to ‘take’ that away from them!?! Their relationship with him is completely different to mine. We are all happy the way things are going now! And me, am happily single, loving it! One day, if I meet the right guy, yess I would happily have an relationship. Just not ‘run’ into him jet. So yess it is possible to have a good relationship with your ex!!!!!

[@nadyanurhidayah6650]

Her 3 years old child have to hear their mom struggle to life, oh my god that’s the worst thing i could ever imagine. I pray peace for all of them.

[@Krisinger]

Tbh, I feel way worse for the 13-year old that had to not only witness it, but also actually understood everything, unlike the toddler. The 3-year would have forgotten about all of it, like, in two days.

[@BirdyMum]

@@Krisinger not necessarily, these things can actually imprint subconciously in a child's brain, and even a three year old can develop symptoms of PTSD and attachment issues due to events like this. A reaction to a parent's distress and pain is inevitable, it's hard wired into our nuerochemistry and endocrine system to recognise these sounds. Very few little children wouldn't end up with issues that manifest sooner or later like nightmares, flashbacks (even toddlers can experience these) and a shattered sense of safety. At least the 13 year old has a chance to recieve therapy and process the event, the little one may not respond well to any psychological interventions at this age, but she will feel the impact.

[@lukehewko260]

Really? That's funny, I feel worst for the dead lady.

[@Krisinger]

@@BirdyMum maybe it's a me problem, but even the worst nightmares don't come close to dying this way or to actually witness all of it in a conscious age But then again, it's all imho.

[@DrPhil-kx3ci]

Luke Hewko she’s already dead

[@kelseyfaulkner3433]

“There’s a bit to go true, so lets go true it.” I love this narrator!

[@dmreddragon6]

Tragic. Lisa sounds like she had a big heart- definately didnt deserve the betrayal, and violent death she received.I hope her daughters are healing, and adjusted to their new life.

[@raywhite7179]

I disagree. I don't think Lisa was bad per say but she didn't sound like a decent person altogether. A) she said he should be paying more attention to his "real" family. What was this Sabrina? Chopped liver? and B) if you think your HUSBAND is hitting on your CHILD you should to the point where you need to tell him to spend more time with the "real" family, I don't know, perhaps intervene maybe? Why was she attacking Sabrina and telling her to leave when she should've kicked her husband out on his ass and reported him to the police? Lisa obviously saw there was a problem here and she didn't address it. She didn't deserve to die but she obviously wasn't a saint. Fucking husband starts molesting his foster child and she throws the kid out. How's that big hearted?

[@exthechickenwing]

Ray White cut the cord means You are treating someone like a baby She means to say that for a teenager, who can feed themselves, etc It mire so means treat her like an adult, so i will let that “real” comment slide Tho spending time implies alone or away from the rest of the fam, so that seems odd

[@raywhite7179]

@@exthechickenwing - Sabrina was a trouble kid -- teenage or not. Lisa was a social worker. She saw that her husband was spending an inappropriate amount of time with this teenager and instead of stepping up and saying "hey, cut that shit out, hubby of mine," she attacked the teenager. Sure, Sabrina could've spent time alone. I'm not debating that. I'm saying that Lisa had a moral responsibility to look out for the welfare of her ward. She's suspecting her hubby of inappropriate contact with a minor and her first response is "spend more time with your real family"? Come on. Lisa is trained in this area. She's a social worker, ffs. She saw what he was doing and her response was to kick the teenager out? What would've happened when the younger kids grew older? Would she have kicked them out too, as competition? It was just unfortunate that her hubby turned out to be that evil and deprived. Lisa didn't deserve to die but she wasn't a saint and "big hearted" either.

[@williss1192]

Dam that Caseworker shouldn't had push a child with bad history to the family. Their psychological tendencies man.. This is not the first time I've seen it happen. I don't think she was manipulated at all. She wanted it.

[@JTScott1988]

They ALL seem loving

[@cadavher]

It still makes my blood boil that the victims cannot "belittle" the perp! The victims families should be able to go all in on these scum bags. Its healing. And its not like the perps are going to be emotionally damaged from a few choice words...

[@yuki97kira]

Pretty sure the emotional damage from being insulted is way less than seeing your own mother being murdered brutally as well

[@yvonnemurray4537]

Unbelievable! Eye for an eye anyone or is it just me?

[@horsepanther]

And it's not as if a fucking murderer deserves to be protected from having their feelings hurt!

[@garymorgan4274]

@@yvonnemurray4537 Gandhi has the best riposte to that, it "makes the whole world blind." And he was tough, Mandela likewise once he foreswore terrorism in a truly noble decision.

[@missanthropocene6308]

@@garymorgan4274 ghandi abused his wife i dont think we should listen to him lol

[@catvideos3249]

This channel came up in my suggested feed so I decided to give it a goo. It's all I've watched since.

[@aubreybello6897]

same

[@kkw-pal1178]

Me too. Lol

[@colt_of_the_occult]

Same!!!

[@harleyhendrix8467]

That was me about 6 months ago....before I discovered MR.BALLEN.....and as soon as I discovered MR.BALLEN....he is my new addiction.... Now , I will go back and forth some times.....and I also like this guy to.... But mr.ballen has a talent telling story's and they are absolutely amazing.....

[@manson9083]

Diddo

[@conniemiller9789]

Your narration and take on these cases make them so much more interesting! You actually make me laugh at times when you do your facial reactions and just 'tell it like it is'. Love watching you and the cases you choose to show. 🥰

[@darkndeed6311]

The dad at the end had the most restraint of any person on the planet.

[@ThatsN0tFair]

oh come on you dont know what restraint is then

[@ceejbee471]

@@ThatsN0tFair uhhhh... okay

[@rhondaclark7939]

I respect how Meagan's father referred to the girls as " my daughter and her sister" rather than referring to this piece of vile crap as the youngest girl's "father". No real father does what he did.

[@rhondaclark7939]

Bennypit...no, I did not know that. So sad for those girls.

[@OGitGirlJess]

benny pitt Let’s hope that’s not the case. Everyone that goes to jail is not a bad person. I’m sure the mother had her money put in to a trust for her daughters if she was to die. I doubt the ex-husband can get it. It probably can’t be touched until they are a certain age.

[@childofcascadia]

@benny pitt The father went to jail for drugs. Having a drug problem or a non violent criminal history doesnt mean someone isnt capable of love or wanting to change and be a good father. Youre comparing someone with a drug problem to someone who a) had a sexual relationship with a person in their care starting when the person in their care was 17 then b) manipulated said person in their care into killing his wife for him. Theres no contest.

[@andrewv.9142]

lmao did the defense attorney seriously forget to put the other daughter on the list of victims???

[@tarrahschuessler3297]

Andrew V. That was a fu**ing travesty!! If I was the other attorney, I would’ve had a hay day with that idiot!!!

[@Teobi1]

The other daughter was to a different man.

[@donnanhuggler8451]

I wandered about that

[@tarrahschuessler3297]

Elite Soulfly that makes sense...didn’t have my listening ears on 👂

[@ceejbee471]

To the people say ing it wasn't her daughter... I thought they said That was her daughter from a previous relationship then had the little one with HIM. Either fucking way they're all missing their mom. That was HER mom. she called and said it was HER mom. that poor girl

[@upsanddown15]

I just happen to come across this case, and it reminds me a lot of the recent incident/case that happened here in the Philippines just a month ago. This is the case of the Maguad siblings, who is kind enough to also welcome a teenager named Janice in their home who they thought is an orphan, treated her as their own, sadly she ended up killing the siblings. At first, she was considered a survivor. But upon further investigation she has been a person of interest, and later was arrested. This is very devastating. When all they just wanted, is to extend their love and home to someone who is struggling and all they will be repaid is betrayal and worst taking away a precious life. 💔

[@CaptainLog]

Stories like this are why my only room mates are three parrots. I’m reasonably sure they cannot murder me with a knife for “sexy reasons.”

[@Jack908r]

No one ever suspects the parrots.....

[@runningthunder6923]

So very true! I agree I have dogs & horses. I have finally learned, trust no no one ever? Sad sad sad world

[@Jenni-Martikainen]

Are you just going to be alone the rest of your life just cause there’s murders that happen in the world? Stupid thinking

[@vegemitesandwich81]

Could they peck your eyes out?!?

[@ongogablogean4920]

🙌

[@alishab6416]

I"ve never seen a judge or a lawyer interrupt a victim. And I've never seen a victim be told to restrain themselves while standing calmly. Both The lawyer and the judge should have been penalized for this, that is not how you deal with the victims

[@prettyokandy230]

seen many court cases have you?

[@alishab6416]

@@prettyokandy230 Yes. And I've given a victim impact statement on about 6 different occasions.

[@prettyokandy230]

@@alishab6416 ok didn't expect that

[@chaoswitch1974]

@@prettyokandy230 Unless she's an attorney, the real answer is no. Even if she's seen 40 cases, it's relative.

[@alishab6416]

@010steveo Its rich to call me stupid when my name is literally right there and you still couldn't spell it right. And its a victim impact statement, and sometimes, when you're a victim, you're impacted in very impassioned ways. What else do you have for me genius?

[@calamityfish5993]

The film you're maybe thinking of is 'Orphan'. Creepy film about a foster child who turns out to be a grown woman and plots the murder of her family and the seduction of the husband. Close enough...

[@briancarter5412]

Thank you for that 👍

[@lorimiller4301]

Reminds me of the Amy and Joey Buttafuoco story where the young girl shot the wife in the face.

[@safinash2165]

The fucked up thing is, Orphan actually WAS based on a true story of Barbora Skrlová (and thats shit's deeply, deeply disturbing.)

[@seiyuokamihimura5082]

Damn. I was just about to mention how it was damn near identical to orphan

[@menyasavut3959]

@@lorimiller4301 "Buttafuoco", like in "Butt fucker" ? Consider someone with an Italian slang says "Butt'a'fuoco"

[@ashleysayss]

19:34 🤣🤣😂😂 how often if this lady at court listening to testimony?! She’s got almost a whole blanket done there! That’s HOURS AND HOURS of work. So appreciate your tacky Afghans from grandma because she worked really hard on it! My goodness, I can’t believe the judge allowed that. Although, I wouldn’t want to tell Granny I’m taking her kitting away.

[@thomaskelliher]

One hundred and seventy eight times. Let that sink in for a minute.

[@Jilli8310]

That's pure hate and anger. Passion. That's not "oh, but I was coerced, so I stabbed her". Some people will believe and fall for anything. I feel so sorry for those girls that had to witness that. Awful.

[@89miska89]

It’s too many to Even imagine

[@slavasmrti3328]

Makes Euronymous's 28 stab wounds a walk in the park from Varg Vikernes back in 1993 eh

[@TheMrCoDS]

@@Jilli8310 I agree that she was not coerced but I think that Kevin is the one to blame for all this. He got into a sexual relationship with this mentally troubled kid that was supposed to be his daughter. Even if he wasn't the one with the idea of killing Liza (which I doubt), he got Sabrina into thinking that Liza had to die so she could stay with him forever and the evidence shows that he was at least aware that Sabrina wanted to kill Liza, and let her do it anyway. He is a monster that used her emotional needyness to manipulate her.

[@dawnsully88]

Try to actually make a stabbing move that many times. It's crazy. She must of truly hated her

[@ThatIrishCowboy]

I'm starting to feel like life insurance only exists to arrest people.

[@Scorch428]

mental note: if killing someone for life insurance, do not cash in right away.... Cus apparently that makes a difference...wtf?

[@igot5onit423]

The only life insurance I believe in is a Glock 19

[@tonymalloy3220]

any excessive life insurance is always suspicious unless its tied in with a mortgage or something ,Get enough for the funeral and a good wake then you should be safe from murderous spouses!

[@GemmaJadeYT]

Irish Cowboy thaaank you!! Lol it’s like you BETTER NOT spend the life insurance you e been paying for for however long bc if you try to get it too quick- you’re guilty. If you wait too long- you’re guilty. It’s ridiculous. He was spending irresponsibly- LIFE IN PRISON

[@Giggyphook]

Susan Powell and her psycho husband had a one million dollar life insurance they would get if one of them died in the next 4 years. Like what???? That’s just asking to be murdered!!

[@jimmyallen8210]

“Found the 3 year old daughter in the closet...sobbing...” That pause had me losing it.

[@stephenjames7915]

the 3 year old and the 13 year old deserves the world and it’s so upsetting.

[@kimmyfreak200]

that was messed up... this is why I cried my eyeballs out when i watched DExter, whether its fictitious or not when his mom gets killed and he is really small and witnessed it, crying... i thought that was beyond moving...makes me have flashes of that intense scene with dexter and his mom in her final moments... (i bet you lisa told her to hide in the closet or the sister did) i just wanna hug both of them

[@markmike7933]

If modern science is right, that extreme situation altered the child's brain structure in at least some small way. And not for the better. I had a cousin who was adopted VERY young...maybe 2. But there were cigarette burns on him already. My aunt and uncle and my whole BIG Italian family treated him like one of our own, and he didn't turn out to be a bad guy at all. But he was directionless his whole life and has been on SS since his 20s for mental illness. I pray that she gets alot of help, a LOT of help and support and love and then she will be ok, I hope. The 6 million settlement can make sure she gets the best mental health professionals out there. The 13 year old of course too. She is needed by the 3 year old Terrible case.

[@ginabloyer5189]

Me too! OMG I thought he was going to say something horrible that had happened to the little girl!

[@melissawright1979]

I liked the "stabbed. . . To shit"

[@tarap8113]

The fact that Autumn didn't go to the police after they first asked her for a hit man bothers me. I don't know if it would've stopped it from happening, but maybe the police could've warned Lisa and she could've divorced that jerk and taken the kids.

[@shroomyk]

They are asking the ex-husband to restrain himself and you can tell it's taking all he has to not strangle the guy.

[@frankboff1260]

ShroomyK I know!!! He was so polite...screw that damn judge.

[@TipTheScales27]

It pissed me off how the judge kept interrupting him! He deserves to be able to read his impact statement to the jury without interruptions, especially not from the judge himself!

[@shade4520]

TipTheScales27 that is why not everyone can be a judge you gotta be equal something you know nothing about

[@Andrea_Green]

yes, i could feel his emotion like he could have leveled him his blood was boiling

[@beagleloverforever834]

@@TipTheScales27 It's the judges job to keep order in their court, even during victim impact statements, it could be used against them in the case of an appeal. On the other hand I just really wanted to see the ex-husband reach over and start strangling that smug bastard.

[@FrothLyfeSailingNandji]

What a horrible story. Seems like Tina was a loving and caring person with a big heart. May she rest in peace.

[@Shottas4Twenty]

Tina? You mean Lisa?

[@Jessica.Rachel]

Very sad.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@Sailing Nandji - Frothlyfe Oftentimes the most caring people are the most naïve and too trusting.

[@recommended1782]

LISA

[@Lexicoley1826]

Agreed. And her name was Lisa, not Tina.

[@swagatamghosh94]

HEYYYYYYY YOU......this is legitimately how I greet people these days. This is officially my favorite KZbin channel. Keep the uploads coming, my man. You are keeping a lot of people sane.

[@mollycote1021]

Swagatam Ghosh mine too! He is funny and I am a true crime enthusiast!

[@MelissaModsMetal]

I've heard this case a few times but I thought I'd watch yours just to get your humor which I know will pop up any time now.

[@allengilby3054]

What is wrong with people?! Keeps Ol’ mike working though.

[@julz3tt3]

It does.... I mean the content of the sickos can be vomit inducing but he makes it funny and interesting.

[@jimtheedcguy4313]

*troo

[@ImSpun13]

Keeps Mike wearing that SAME OLD DIRTY STANK-ASS SHIRT too! 😂🤣😂

[@DreamingCatStudio]

Pub x Stompa Now that’s an unsubstantiated assumption. No evidence! He may have MULTIPLE maroon button-down shirts. ☺️

[@elizabethsedai854]

@@ImSpun13 😂😂😂💀

[@annierose8099]

As I was listening to Lisa’s ex husband talking down on Kevin, there’s a lady in the background crying. I felt sad for her that of all the people in that court room, she’s was the only one crying. Bless that lady for she took it to heart of what’s happening in the court room.

[@dianefarley37]

Yes! And, amen!

[@shaaronie]

I noticed that too!

[@MrMoralHighground]

people react differently, not everyone cries. everyone grieves differently. are you suggesting that this one woman was grieving in the correct way and everyone else was not? what exactly is the point that you think you are trying to make?

[@mcaskey358]

He sexually abused a vulnerable child in his care, he plotted the brutal murder of his wife, he manipulated a child to commit that act for him, he traumatized his step-child and child, and then lied about his actions. I think the ex-husband has every right to his comments!

[@Vampirita447]

"Child" this. "Child" that. That bitch isn't innocent. Hope she gets prison and learns what rape really is.

[@rydz656]

Yeah cause I'm sure she didn't learn that behavior in foster care.

[@josephlawson2768]

That's a rough verdict. Getting convicted based solely upon the testimony of someone so detached from reality that she murdered someone and her friend. If I were on the jury I'd have a pretty reasonable doubt about it.

[@SerTasera]

The victims' families got to literally scream at Jeffrey Dahmer at the end of his trial, and this judge is here lecturing the ex-husband for hurting the defendant's fee-fees.

[@EverCassandra]

Also the judge saying he "unfortunately" had to sentence Kevin for his crimes. Sounds like one of those asshole judges who think laws don't apply as harshly to white men as they do to other people.

[@DD-d6d3]

@@Monochr0meMan Mike didn't cover all of the evidence. They recovered text messages the defendant sent to Sabrina telling her quote we will be together after Friday unquote .

[@CAHSR2020]

@@EverCassandra What specific evidence convinced you he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

[@EverCassandra]

@@Monochr0meMan What's funny is I clearly posted an opinion and you make statements about things you can't know as if they are facts. It's about what I expect from a MXN.

[@EverCassandra]

@@CAHSR2020 I didn't hear all the evidence and don't presume to know. Why do you ask?

[@TiaDashDecipher]

“So let’s get into it.” Said by anyone else creeps me out. Mike says it and I’m like “YAAASSSS, MIKE!!! Let’s!! 😂

[@morph-fiend8942]

its the accent

[@michaeldietz9026]

Omg right lol!

[@marshie1337]

how does that creep you out...?

[@janashellbug]

Came for the “tirty” stay for the K-nife

[@downsyndromenanny1017]

I always come for his tirty...

[@benholdin]

Tirty tree

[@breriley6723]

Came for the knoefels' story stayed for the k-now lmao.

[@marcdraco2189]

Sounds like a durdy turdy to me.

[@hoze1235]

19:35 they were knitting in the background 😂😂

[@omarra6781]

I was annoyed with the judge telling Lisa's former husband to restrain himself. I know I would have said "I am" because I would've been a lot more brutal than he was. He was very restrained. And the stupid lawyer saying "Objection". Good grief. Let the man say what he has to say. Your client was just convicted of murder.

[@markcarpenter6020]

If you listen to the judges statement he was making it clear he didn't agree with the juries decision.. sounded like he wanted to downplay the seriousness of the sex offences as well. That man should not be a judge.

[@pete6705]

This was one of the worst planned murders I’ve heard. He left an 18 year old girl to stage a fake burglary/murder. The sisters were both home to witness the whole thing. Even without the sisters home, there’s no possible way she would have successfully faked a burglary gone wrong and trick all the detectives.

[@Dank_Engine]

I like that Sabrina didn't get a free ride. Kevin may have encouraged her and lead her on, but she did stab a woman 137 times. A woman who cared for her. Trusted her. Someone she smiled at everyday, and shared meals with. That's horrible.

[@jeriyahmackey7140]

True

[@studiofatal2023]

Nobodeh DontNeedToKnow Of course he did do shit. He is the adult, the killer was a minor. He betrayed his wife with his foster child. He encouraged her to get a hitman. He robbed the insurance. He planned the murder behind his wife’s back. He is responsible for everything.

[@Sara-ik5po]

Studio Fatal 18 years old is minor?

[@studiofatal2023]

Sara Abdallah Well, no. You’re right on this one point.

[@Sara-ik5po]

Studio Fatal She was a minor (17) when they started their relationship, but at the time of the murder, she was 18.

[@93hlang]

That Ric Flair "WHOO" at the beginning really got me going

[@catherinerainville4232]

😂😂😂

[@jeremymiller9597]

New subscriber here :)... Dude I've been binge watching all your videos. Fantastic job Mike!!! Your narrating is top-notch. Your giving Dateline a run for it's money 🤑

[@tapoemt3995]

Just imagine how the foster home visit went. Wife: Aw honey, look at this cute 6 year old boy. Husband: I don't know, how about this 17 y/o girl over here?

[@FunlandRobot]

10/10 comment

[@ZeddicusTheMage]

For real. That was the wife's first mistake. You think bringing a younger woman into your home is a good idea? 17 year old girls are women by that age.

[@maarleyjedermann3174]

They didn't "go to a forster home" and "pick" a child. That's not how that works anyway. The mom was a social worker and the girl was a case their office was already working on. Her collegue who testified in court was the one who first mentioned that maybe the Knoefels could take in the girl and help her get her life on track. They didn't foster someone for the sake of fostering, they decided to become foster parents in order to help this girl in particular.

[@tapoemt3995]

@@maarleyjedermann3174 It was a joke... And I never said they went to a "forster" home.

[@topspot4834]

Seriously. Noble but something definitely off about adopting a 16 year old girl ... Especially with a big ... Well

[@czamiellemugol2290]

Sounds disturbingly like "Orphan".

[@gayathriv.l8235]

Yes.. so creepy

[@alfiona7951]

OMG you're right!! That's why this sounded somewhat familiar to me.

[@kurvzkid147]

Same thought

[@bartholomewmiller]

And Mike tried to diss it at the end saying it wasn't a good movie. It was amazing

[@shellac23]

Great movie

[@glennkrieger]

This is the best channel when you're just not sure what to do...stuck in your home. That Chapter rocks!

[@kwebst1]

Recently have learned that in families where a child is sexually abused the child is often exhibits sexual behavior later in life as that feels like security and love. I can imagine in Sabrina’s case that would be true and a social worker might know this and so not find the behavior too outlandish, but not seeing that the husband was falling for it….. I wonder.

[@markcarpenter6020]

They also tend to replicate the acts that happened to them. It's a form of imprinting so their early experiences are what sex is to them.

[@sheerazkhan3695]

“She is doing what to your mom with a knife?“ Ummm spreading butter on her

[@MrCallidus]

I feel bad for ROFLing.

[@nightynightshade]

IKR!? 😂

[@tallen3012]

I hate hearing some of these dispatchers.

[@maggot9276]

Exactly. Some of those dispatchers are incompetent to put in nicely.

[@jenniewright3045]

In the uk dispatchers have to be trained for all situations, I feel like America just takes kn anyone, even if they're the worst at helping

[@emmisu9724]

Defense attorney was right, Zabrina should have never been placed in ANYONES home PERIOD.

[@ww2guy782]

something similar to this happened in my family when I was a kid, minus the murder...... fostering can go very wrong sometimes.

[@robertnichols2283]

Amanda Charlebois and Sabrina played right into, and encouraged, his behaviors. If she was, say twelve, it would mostly be on him. But at seventeen she knowingly played a part in all of this mess. There’s a big difference in culpability between ages twelve and seventeen. I’m not excusing his behavior one bit. All I’m saying is that both are equally culpable in both the sexual relationship and the murder..

[@ChrisCre8tor]

@John Smith Come on John you know its always the mans fault! 3

[@fistyann8434]

Best thing about having only recently found Mike is the fantastic back catalog of material.

[@krausersama9153]

19:04 That granny is stonecold knitting at a murder trial ..O.O

[@bornfree9394]

🤣🤣🤣 might stab some one with those knitting stuff..

[@baziliorose1]

Grief is dealt with differently.

[@oliviatree]

Crocheting but yeah, a real Madame Defarge of the US justice system. She should be in the background of more trials, counting her knots.

[@silentwitness536]

Nanna Gangster!

[@xDiaatm]

Lady like hold up bitch let me knit this so I can strangle your ass with it lol

[@wildearthling]

"Too disturbing to vocalize" sounds about right. Can't imagine sharing suspicions like that with anyone.

[@PoorRick]

That girl was so bad at asking questions while secretly recording. So cringe

[@wh0586]

Lol yeah I was thinking the same, she has new future in Hollywood that's for sure

[@jakobtaillon-rodrigue3412]

Rick To ne fair, most of us probably wouldn’t be all that great. At least she did what she could to help.

[@MrBgood84]

@@jakobtaillon-rodrigue3412 if she was trying to help she would have said something before the woman died.

[@chuxtin]

I guess I can't really say anything negative about someone being bad at snitching lol. At least you'd know they haven't had practice!

[@lucysky384]

Can't believe they tried to silence the victim statement. They should be able to say whatever they want to him.

[@alittleofeverything4190]

Dude, when that ex-husband started to nervous twitch in his neck, I thought he was going to jump that rail and pound on him.

[@horrortackleharry]

That defence attorney can stfu. Verdict's in- it's now just up to the judge what people can & can't say in their impact statements.

[@bubbarat8679]

Given the chance I am sure he would have. And I liked how he refered to the 3 year old as his daughters sister and not as the scums daughter. He clearly cared more for that kid than her own dad

[@Art_Vark_and_Rock]

Man he had a clean shot too...but...a courtroom is not the optimum place to draw assault charges on yourself...but...I would have gone full Mike Tyson upside his head a good two or three times.

[@nikkiwailupe8678]

@@Art_Vark_and_Rock I was thinking dam he could snap his neck right now !!!!

[@alittleofeverything4190]

23:50

[@christinamorales1475]

Urgh!🤯 The way that judge kept cutting the ex husband off was just pissing me off so bad

[@staberow]

I don't think that judge thought he was guilty. His comments after this p.o.s. made it seem he disagreed with the verdict but was left with no choice but to accept it. If so, that would make sense as a reason why he kept interrupting when the ex husband was talking. How does him saying the guy was a piece of crap qualify as bad or belittling language?Especially after conviction!? I thought he showed great restraint.

[@trose4190]

Judge was gross and disappointing. Glad the jury saw through that piece of shit. Ex husband was very calm all things considered imo

[@mfr3640]

It's because he is probably one of those guys (surprisingly 1 out of 6) who like girls younger than 16 and feels sympathy for the guy. I've heard plenty of other statements in court by victims and never once did I see a judge act this way..ever..

[@josephiles5793]

@@mfr3640 Got any citations for that stat? It sounds absurd. I know way more then 6 people, and none of em like kids.

[@stephengrigg5988]

@Get Offended a life insurance policy being raised right before death, and the killer implicating you are two big pieces of evidence

[@OnceUponAKid1]

Everyone is questioning the women knitting... Lol She is probably doing it to ease her anxiety. Some people just can't sit there, and its helping her in the moment.

[@Brazealen]

Meh it's probably what she does when she watches That Chapter on KZbin - she enjoys listening to true crime while knitting.

[@matts6458]

Trials are long days and most of it is very boring, that’s why

[@stevietstevens9384]

It's called crocheting, not knitting!

[@vermilliongecko]

SHE'S NOT KNITTING!

[@s.a.8548]

stevieT stevens They’re not the same thing...?

[@Stonktradomus]

I can't fathom a man killing his wife. But I can't even imagine a man killing his children's mother. What a monster. Hurts me for the kids. My boys lost their Mom, and it's so extremely unbearable to watch them hurt...I just cannot imagine.