The divide runs deep between Protestants and Catholics of Belfast (1993)

[@paddygeoghegan6509]

As a Catholic young man, I was part of a North and south exchange, theyspent a weekend in Dublin with us, we spent a weekend with them protestants! Scary at first, but thank god I did, such a great weekend, never will I ever forget the people I met, took great care of us 🙏

[@paullooney2522]

I cant hate any Irish Prodstant,mabe thats because,I am from the South and am from a Prodstant/Catholic family,but what I do beleave,is there are evil people with power ,who will try to divide us,and keep us Irish weak.

[@picassoboy52]

people always think they are enemies until you get them into a room and get to know them

[@Mr-pn2eh]

There is division there. As it should be. As an American all I can say right now is Go team protestant.

[@countsmyth]

Loyalist - "They're forcing their culture down our throats" the irony!

[@charlenefalls8533]

both sides r as bad each other, I'm a protestant from east belfast i was born into the troubles loyalist /nationalist if they caused innocent deaths I have no time 4 any of them as I had more catholic friends all my life n will always have time 4 them

[@darthscouser5255]

@@charlenefalls8533 - are you near andersonstown?

[@charlenefalls8533]

@@darthscouser5255 y do u ask ?

[@charlenefalls8533]

@@darthscouser5255 2 answer ur question no if u read my own post u would have seen that but had friends who I visited in andytown

[@darthscouser5255]

@@charlenefalls8533 - no reason......my cousin was based in a barracks in andersonstown in the army.....royal engineers.....i remember him saying it was east belfast.......talking over 10 years ago like

[@clockwork365]

19:21 "Tom was convicted with Ray of shooting a Catholic woman, he spent 11 years in jail and was only recently released. His son feels proud of what his father did." My God what a bunch of useless human beings. Utter scumbags.

[@lucasvernale1571]

11 years for the murder of a woman... wow

[@pauldunneska]

@@lucasvernale1571 The comment said shooting but was she shot dead?

[@korpiklaaniband2277]

yer ma

[@PostPatriot]

What like America isnt full of people shooting women and children for less? Even with the troubles America has more murder per capita than North Ireland. 🤣

[@clockwork365]

@@PostPatriot Whataboutism drivel

[@skilledeye1675]

All the people cried all the way to the graveyard, the top men slithered all the way to the BANK. Peace is great👍

[@Rapscallion227]

This is why this issue is so damn complex. I am not English, but I am Italian and grew up catholic. It is hard not to sympathize for the Catholics, at least for me, but you also cannot discount the loyalist’s feelings. It’s not a black and white issue. I’d say the blame largely falls on the governments of the U.K. and Ireland for being lethargic when it comes to trying to solve the issue. It’s like they’ve accepted sectarian violence, which is INSANE considering it’s the 21st century.

[@truthhurts4280]

I heard Dominic O’Connors death. I lived down the street, I was friends with his daughter Michelle. They were about to go on holiday that day. My mum dragged us from the parlour to the back living room when we heard the shots. It was heartbreaking. I, my siblings my mother and stepfather all had the exact same dream once, where we were taken outside and shot one by one after Mr O’Connor was killed.

[@leadzeppbelly]

I’m so sorry to hear about his and hope you are doing ok. Do you know how Michelle and the rest of the family are now?

[@arthurp-er1yz]

My G-D! What terrible experience! You Irish have such beautiful and strong qualities. Imagine the greatness of the nation, the people, of they united? Seems to me, an hidden external force is behind the division. I Believe we're on the same path, but thru Internal conspiracy. (Arthur U.S.A)

[@Mattvallo]

Sad documentary. I visited Belfast and Derry in 2013 with my brother. Amazing people. Those cities will forever have a place in my heart.

[@rusty7720]

I visited Belfast in 2009 ,traveled 12,000miles from my home country,I got talking to a gruff voiced Belfast guy.He asked my surname I answered, he then replied "Aarh you'd be Catholic, page oh you in the book".He meant the local phone book.I replied "You've never met nor seen me in your life before now". He replied "Tell by the look oh yah" That was my introduction to a religious divide.

[@nervesinapattern7261]

The working class on both sides suffered the most and there was no real winners.

[@cdubs9918]

When i was a kid we played baseball, football, rode our bikes etc, etc.. these kids go to "Throw rocks at Protestants". Holy shit thats sad.

[@jackniland9932]

The protestants threw them back. Sure it was all friendly Banter

[@Ben-fq4wp]

@@jackniland9932 it was more like, a rock now but a bullet in 5years time.

[@thatsthejobbb8587]

That's how it continues! Ever see the amount of small children, babies at July bonfires burning the tri colour and pictures of Catholics! Imagine being so sad to teach babies that's normal... Sick!!

[@briancunningham1975]

@@jackniland9932 🤣 they were just playing passy

[@sandrarock.5007]

@@thatsthejobbb8587 but you all do the same thing. Just bad and good on both sides.

[@howey935]

I used to work in the Nederland’s with an Irish lad who had been chased out of Belfast after he was shot in the knees and ankles because he was robbing post offices. They didn’t kneecap him because he robbed the post offices no the kneecapped him because he wouldn’t give them a share of the money he got. So he had his flat door kicked in at 4 o’clock one morning and he was shot on his own bedroom floor and was told this is a warning to get out of Ireland.

[@zlkzak]

@SRV. 123 No they do shoot house breakers and such. And also joyriders get 6 packs if they continue.. 6pack= shot through feet, knees and elbows. Alot of the time if your getting kneecaps done your parent is told a place and a time, they actually bring their own son do be beaten or shot.. if they don't turn up it'll be worse or have to leave the country. Make no mistake about it, the vast majority of these little fuckers deserve what's coming to them. Although sometimes mistakes are sadly made.

[@ostapbendervan7874]

Loyalists girly story Too.cute Now go.to.mommy breast milk

[@DonCHICHARRON420]

@@ostapbendervan7874 dirty TAIG

[@patrickconnors9448]

@@DonCHICHARRON420 you dirty little prod

[@natashaferran420]

Why are you calling him “an Irish lad”? If he was born in belfast he is from Northern Ireland which is a separate country from Ireland and Northern Ireland is BRITISH. Also he sounds like he deserved it. Also maybe he was robbing the opposite religions post offices so his own religions paramilitaries asked him for a cut? Because I dont see them letting that continue if he was doing in in his own religions area. Obviously I could be wrong there. But I am born and bred (and so are my parents) East Belfast and have lived here all of my life and am 26 years of age so I sort of know a fair bit.

[@riazullah437]

Them poor little girls who had there father shot in there own home in front of them I bet there minds have been damaged.

[@ABc-hg4og]

Riaz Ullah prove it

[@myview2543]

huh

[@ostapbendervan7874]

IN DUE TIME TOO EARLY ONE.MORE GENERATION

[@annaconway313]

@@ABc-hg4og prove what?!!

[@p.e.i.man-canada-1372]

To me, this whole Catholic VS Protestant thing is a British media narrative... saying that the people in the north are protestant and the republic is catholic, and they tell the world that is the reason for the fighting... trying to make it seem religious rather than a political fight. That way they can set people at one another for all the wrong reasons, and keep people from thinking about the real reasons for the conflict. I am thousands of miles away and even I have this figured out, i'd say. Someone from the area help me out if I am wrong.

[@CaptainMorganxxx]

It is not the media, the Irish are religion mad, it even crosses over into Scotland, where even football clubs are either prods or caths.

[@alexdoherty1806]

P.E.I. Man -Canada- the troubles was more of an issue of national identity rather than religion, at the end of the day its the same religion however the two sides want two different political outcomes

[@thetoecurler6852]

P.E.I. Man -Canada- I’ve lived in west Belfast all my life. You’re right, it’s the same story all over the world.

[@gruntymchunchy1527]

You are correct e.g. Irish Republican Brotherhood included both protestant's and catholic's. The religion is just a narrative, it was an easy way to downplay the real issues. The cause of conflict was nothing to do with religion itself. Religion only become more important in identity because it is easier to identify someone based on their religion rather than personal political affiliation and ethnicity which is not as overtly obvious. This worked only because it happened that most Unionists are protestant and most Nationalists are catholic.

[@alex-sv8ru]

P.E.I. Man -Canada- It was an ethnic conflict. The two ethnicities were 'Protestant' (descendants of Briton settlers in Ulster) and 'Catholic' (the native Irish). The British sent settlers to South Africa aswell, but the world knows who are the natives of South Africa and who are the colonists who came over a few hundred years ago. In Ireland, it's difficult to distinguish between them. Because both are white.

[@Timo8.2.]

What a hero killed an innocent catholic woman, a civilian and his son is proud of him

[@garymccann5079]

Yep that got me too.

[@DarkHallwayz]

Howzer The man They literally said she had nothing to do with politics, let alone Republicanism, i find it hard to believe she was in the IRA, based on the fact she wasn’t a Republican.

[@bammy1690]

M.F. Luder that wasn’t who he killed, he shot Bernadette Devlin and her taig husband . She survived

[@soeffingwhat]

Important to remember that though documentaries like this are valuable to keep, these are OLD. This is from 1993 and though things up North still aren't perfect, its a lot different now and a lot better. As a musician from the republic I've done gigs up North in some Unionist Towns that would have been impossible to play back in the early 90s.

[@RipperBravo]

Well said.

[@soeffingwhat]

@Mark Kenny No problem, thanks for asking, its a welcome break from talking abut Covid 19 lol. I felt no hatred from them at all. For the most part I feel the majority want to truly keep the peace while also keeping their heritage. That said I was careful lol. Things are different to 1993 but brexit was very much on the horizon at the time and didn't help things. That said Brexit is done, we're now dealing with this pandemic and I hope the majority of us will come through truly realizing that none of these things really matter. Some won't learn, there are a lot of idiots around, but I think a lot will.

[@paulwevers2109]

@@soeffingwhat Good to state that here. I could give you my thoughts as a complete outsider and living in one of the most stable country`s in Europe but that would be to easy. But i will try in a respectful manner. Please correct me on anything in any way you feel needed. Harsh or politely correcting. Ok, here is how thinking people abroad think in general terms on this madness, It has nothing to do with religion. Protestant or Catholic in these times do not matter any more. They are both formed out of Christianity and outdated in terms of science and modern knowledge that is now so easy to get in these globalising information streams. So when i see someone speaking on those two the word that comes in mind is dumb or uneducated. Further more, is it far from truth when i think the vast majority of Ireland as a whole just want peace? That its really a big minority that still stays in this mindset of violence for a cause? Is it also fair to say that that minority was also a minority in the past but that speaking out was flat out dangerous because of the reaction from these people? Like growing up in a extreme religious environment , like Islam these days, you just keep with the plan because else you would become a social outcast? Is it just some pockets of neighbourhoods in present times? Because the Irish i have met so far could not be bothered with it any more. They just hate the Rangers or Celtic and that is it :-) I have a lot of thoughts but to much to write down here i guess. Hope you have a lot of music events to do in the future with all sorts of people. Music and sports are great to get people together. I just watch a older episode of cycling documentary on a Belgian race. I now love Belgium. Its so easy. Easy`r then disliking.

[@Barbarous_Wretch]

@@paulwevers2109 It had nothing to do with religion. 'catholic' and 'protestant' were convenient tags for two different peoples/cultures or lineage.

[@rodgeyd6728]

@@soeffingwhat Best comment I've read, also been English and never been to Ireland either North or South , hoping things improve for the whole region on both sides.

[@ProjectCreativityGuy96]

No matter what ethnicity You are from, division can be extremely toxic sometimes... I am sick of all this hate and fear mongering!

[@andrewlifeisforliveing1121]

Im a prod and i have nothing but love for the Irish people. I have been treated like shit by my own people growing and its still happening as i write this.my best friends are irish and i would not have it any other way

[@natashaferran420]

Perhaps you just hate yourself so hence hate your own people? I am from east belfast I love everything about being a prod 🇬🇧

[@fxdify8254]

@@natashaferran420 nah don’t think so he just doesn’t base his entire opinion on someone based on what their religion is, like every other sane person

[@natashaferran420]

@@fxdify8254 are you ok? Where did I mention anything about me basing opinions on anyone lol think you're going off track. So you think being proud of your culture/religion is not sane? You insane for saying that...seek help.

[@conorclarke123]

@@natashaferran420 or maybe he's just embarrassed about his culture being predacated on the oppression and hatred of another culture.

[@natashaferran420]

@@conorclarke123 get a life

[@paulbrowne5049]

Demographics is changing NI beyond all recognition. Nationalists make up 70% of the under 30's and Unionists make up 80% of the over 70's. In Belfast 3 of the 4 MP's are nationalist. A lot had changed in the 30 odd years this was filmed.

[@11Survivor]

@Hardline Firewire uh OK...

[@soulsurfer639]

@Communism Is Judaism You're weird....

[@Chopsyochops]

I moved over to Derry/Londonderry from England in 1990 with my alcoholic parents for a few years. Stepfather was catholic from the bogside and mother was from the south near Dublin. I was shocked when I got there as was my mother by the military on the streets, cars being petrol bombed, women being tarred and feathered, the check points, high walls, the violence, hatred and distain between people. When we played outside as kids we ended up heading off into the hills because it was safer than outside our doorstep. If we walked anywhere we had to be mindful which area we were in as we were neither catholic or Protestant. So it was difficult to understand what it was all about and how to fully keep safe. We learned about the story of the British taking over Ireland through the catholic songs. But even then we were naïve to it all. So it’s interesting to see the other side on this video from the Protestants. When we returned to England we were bullied for having developed Irish accents and called IRA scum. Whilst we were in Ireland we were bullied for having English accents in a catholic area and called Proddy b@stards and attacked. The whole experience of living there was horribly traumatic. I’m still atheist and take no sides, I just ended up living there due to stepfathers connections. I feel bad for both sides. I pray things are better now for everyone there on all sides.

[@Chopsyochops]

@Barry Obama it’s when they pour hot tar and feathers on a person.

[@josephninety6080]

Shut up ya proddy🤣

[@davideldred.campingwilder6481]

My mother (An N Irish alcoholic) married an Alcoholic British Soldier in 1982 and we moved to England. London England. I too was picked on because of the Irish accent. I, nevertheless, think that NI is a bloody shit hole and filled with religious assholes...

[@richardgoldie5923]

And Kevin is showing signs of the new era!! Well done lad more people like you will and in time it will be a lot better

[@headtheballington]

He's in jail on terrorism charges.

[@paule6945]

Jailed in 2015 for storing semtex for the provos.........

[@bfdcitybullsjosh6797]

English catholic here. Glad nobody here cares we all live together no quarms watsoever

[@killakristian7084]

you see ,in the next clip,, the difference between freedom fighters and murderers!! when loyalist death squads burst in and murdered a man in front of his kids, his only crime, was being a catholic, leslie duggans husband was a member of the uvf, and the movement left her alone, simply because she was not a legitimate target. that's the difference in a rebel with a cause,, and a murderer with no soul. slan go foil, soairse

[@killakristian7084]

where was that then,, name me 1? "legitimate target" they were victims of war,collateral damage,innocent victims,,im talking about murderous attacks on innocent catholic people in their homes. your ad hominem wont work here,,, nor will your "cillit bang " clean over it. slan ,mo chara.

[@thesarsfieldcfc]

Sinn é

[@Itsjustmyselfsoitis]

Cillit Bang They weren't "legitimate" targets, thats why the IRA phoned warnings and even apologised when civilians were hurt or killed. Contrary to the propaganda of "thugs" and "baby killers", killing civilians was never popular amongst republicans at the very least because they lost support each time. Politicians, soldiers, cops, rival paramilitarys, plus government and economically important buildings - they were legitimate targets. You can see from the stats who favoured and killed more innocent people - loyalists by a good stretch. The IRA killed more people over-all, true, but the majority of that number were "legitimate" targets, around 30-35% were civilians, roughly 700 people. Loyalists killed near 1000 people (half as much as the IRA / INLA) near 90% of that were innocent people, so near 900 people. You can add the death caused by the Brits and RUC to the British body count or not, either way the "British" people in that conflict definitely killed more innocent people. Wind your neck in mate. Irish people fought for their freedom and to rid themselves of an oppressive foreign colonial regime. Loyalists fought to uphold it. Maybe if Irish people didn't have to fuckin march for civil rights and we were treated as equals we might have accepted British rule but you'se never learn. Always thinkin you're above republicans - even by law not too long ago. The Irish haven't got much to thank Britain for, Read history and educate yourself on the sort of thing you support. I don't fully support the IRA but there are goals all Irish people share with groups like these. And given Britains bloody tyrannical history on this island don't expect us to forget or move on, "its all in the past"... nah, we need to right a few wrongs before we can move on.

[@Itsjustmyselfsoitis]

Lee Bartlett Why'd you leave out all the loyalist massacres? Do you'se get taught that list of La Mon, Kingsmill etc? I keep seein loyalists repeat the same list. Enniskillen wasn't right, they should have targeted the soldiers better. And Omagh? Why'd the cops not lift the fella that done it, because touts gave up the guys name BEFORE it went off? Europa could be viewed as an 'economic target' so in a sense it was 'legitimate' from the IRAs point of view anyway. Thats why they blew up the London Stock-Exchange, Manchester and plenty of places in Belfast city centre. If busniesss' stopped operating that meant bit by bit they fucked with the British economy. Thats why they were referred to as 'economic targets' - civilians did die, but the goal wasn't that. You sit there like you're so moral when fact is YOUR side killed even more civilians and they did it intentionally. And don't think i'm defending killing civilians, i'm just puttin this in perspective. Tell me mate, what do you think of this quote; "at the time, the attitude was that if you couldn't get an IRA man you should shoot a Taig, he's your last resort" - Gusty Spence (UVF commander)

[@killakristian7084]

@@Terracecasualx5 warnings /phone calls were giving well in advance... with the exception of frizzells fish shop... which was a no warning device.. where 1 volunteer was killed... and even that was supposed to be an operation with a warning... Dublin and monaghan bombs.. British Intelligence... no warning.. ballymurphy massacre..no warning.. 14 mown down in Derry..no warning.. (not 1 ira volunteer was murdered that day)... loyalist death squads.. loughall... no warning... the people that got a warning .. were the loyalist/ ruc death squads by the intelligence services... I could go on... as for the Europa hotel... every time their phone rang.. it was a bomb... and ive no doubt..the the slimey govt crown forces played a hand in most of them... " no warnings"!!! hahaha... here's a warning for you... don't believe everything you hear.. and only half of what you read. slan go foil mochara... saoirse. Erin.

[@justinoconnor3273]

My dad brought me up to hate on one side and I now after being in two separate militaries not in this place and living in Brazil now I have learnt to forgive.

[@joaofabio5927]

Brazil is a land for all the people, you're welcome here! I hope you're having a good life here.

[@countsmyth]

Shot a catholic woman, and son is proud?

[@bam-skater]

Shot an individual who was up to her eyeballs with the IRA in reality

[@countsmyth]

@@bam-skater You applaud killing a woman...

[@freddyferret2313]

Loyalists are the far right, majority have no religion.

[@SimonCowie86]

Defending the Loyalists blame one side but they don’t admit they are doing the same thing every night in Belfast. The fact is both Natonalists & Loyalists are as guilty as each other. It’s time the schools start teaching cross community & that both sides are the same. There where parts of the North that where in the same situation catholic’s & protestant lived together side by side & no problems or troubles & there where the IRA & Loyalist groups about but we lived in peace

[@johncahill4259]

Simon Cowie well said

[@obwhankanobee1923]

Glad to see that the peace in the north of Ireland has taken hold with a settlement for the past and the Irish finally realizing there is hope for the future. It wll take time, but so does any other quest for progress. Keep the faith and Keep the Peace. .....

[@jackietreehorn5561]

Those clothes in the 90s .. takes me right back! 😂

[@andrewgnys6285]

The clothes, the car's maybe even a "acid rave" too. I loved the 90's

[@danfield6030]

Acieeeeeed

[@danfield6030]

All horns , all whistle creeeeewwwwwwwww. Glowsick masive inside

[@danfield6030]

@@andrewgnys6285 selectahhhh eeenside

[@mufc20timesbitches36]

@@danfield6030 we took a lot of disco biscuits to sell on tour. Fucking ace times.

[@GeorgeSquare]

That guy Kevin, the Catholic with the pigeons near the end was the most balanced Catholic in the programe. He means well. No hate him in.

[@PostPatriot]

You don't know what it's like to have a family member imprisoned for "being Catholic" or just being killed. Rewatch the video and listen to the kids telling about life you Americans are clueless about.

[@GeorgeSquare]

@@PostPatriot Bit ironic calling someone American and clueless, I'm British, from Scotland and used to live in N.Ireland for a period

[@CarloTheGambino]

Kevin seems a good lad and I hope he met a good woman, got a good job and found happiness and prosperity

[@047Kenny]

@@jonjonr4788 Kevin still in the trenches! Real nigga

[@kingwilliamiiiprinceoforan469]

@@jonjonr4788 that’s his life ruined.

[@sandrarock.5007]

My brother was killed in 1993 for nothing. He was friends with both sides. He was shot 10 time's by inla. Scum anyone who kills.

[@eoincaomhanach1983]

sadly both sides were as bad as each other at times, although depending on which side you ask it's all the other sides fault. Sorry for you and your family's loss.

[@iamsoldierf8316]

Sorry for your loss. Sam was your brother? Rosewood street. Think I was on that did the cordon.

[@sandrarock.5007]

@@iamsoldierf8316 o I see what you mean now. Yes he was my wee brother. He's missed still so much.

[@sandrarock.5007]

@@iamsoldierf8316 Sam had friends from both sides and hated what was going on here. He loved football and was helping my son to be a brilliant footballer. My son didn't play football again as he missed him not being there. All this killing leaves love one heartbroken for year's to come. Thank god my son is not bitter about it as he knew what Sam told him what was going on here. He's 42 now and now he thinks back and says mum I wish I had of played the football as Sam was trying to get me out of Belfast he knew what it was like. My son was one of the best in Belfast at playing football he was in England playing with the best just before Sam was killed.

[@wanaspola216]

Sorry to hear this :( Politics is stupid.

[@markkenna9951]

Unfortunately mate 27 years later hate is still there and will always be like that

[@tomg5187]

Breaks your heart to watch. I’m so glad I didn’t have to grow up with any of this stuff, makes me feel so lucky ❤️

[@gc6854]

Now it is 2018. Belfast is on a building boom to transform the city into a tourist city. The peace walls will eventually be taken down leaving a small section for the tourists to learn Belfast’s history.

[@chrisbelfast6662]

Yeah it's amazing Belfast is definitely up and coming just need them feckin bars open till 6am!

[@gc6854]

I wonder how lovers handle being Catholic and Protestant and living on opposite side of the wall? Modern day Romeo and Juliet.

[@mactoirdealbhaigh7624]

@@gc6854 Love conquers all !!!

[@alex-sv8ru]

G C It's great that the protestants and catholics are coming together against the paramilitaries (both unionist and nationalist). I only hope that Brexit doesn't result in a hard border!

[@aviationiceman9549]

G C get me a pair of those rose tinted glasses please

[@harryrichmond5339]

If segregated schooling had been dismantled at the time of the Good Friday agreement these kids would be playing football with each other, not hurling missiles.

[@tommysmith6181]

Yeah everyone should go to a Catholic school.

[@seadmujagic6579]

Freedom for Ireland, greatings, support and respect from 🇧🇦 ⚜️🇮🇪☘️

[@ciaranmaguidhir7858]

Sead Mujagic Bosnia a land of true men and woman who have been thorough a whole lot. I am Irish and I live in New York and I have a lot of Bosnian friends and a lot of Albanian friends. I think it’s because we have the same mindset and we keep silent about our struggles! Respect from New York and Ireland long live Bosnia!!🇧🇦

[@seadmujagic6579]

@@ciaranmaguidhir7858 same, have family in Boston, and have irish friends in Sweden, and Austria, where i lived. Amaizing people, i have a special love too Ireland, i feel like im irish too. Same mentality, same mindset, as you said. Greatings, respect, love, and luck👆🍀 Green roses will grow :)

[@paulhall2397]

All I want is Peace!

[@stevenjonesj.r2759]

No just u, most of the ppl across the WORLD want peace. U do hve some ppl across the world tht want war, but its more the politicians who end up causing problems w/ their word nd actions. Which in turn drive ppl to violence, nd most of the ppl it drives to violence. Are the one's who really peace, but they see no other way to try nd change their situations besides trying to spill enough blood to cause change! To be honest history has shown, weather its from the American war or independence or the other wars in history. Spilling enough blood will eventually bring change!! We all need to learn how to live with each other, no matter ur religion, race, how much money u hve, or any other bs like tht! We are all humans, nd we all just want to survive nd take care of our families!!!

[@trevorlefiles8633]

@Jeremy Amundsen if you want freedom prepare for war.

[@user-go3jv8rw7i]

Can’t have peace as long as the British remain on the island of IRELAND

[@mufc20timesbitches36]

@@user-go3jv8rw7i governments all over the world use divide and conquer, to have you at each other’s throats. BECAUSE YOU’RE EASIER TO CONTROL

[@julieheudebourck]

@@user-go3jv8rw7i it’s a pity we British are also Irish, we have to live together and let the politicians fight themselves. How many lives did they cost this Island.

[@rossm685]

What madness this situation still is , I'm gutted and sad for both sides of this horrible divide !!! Amazing ppl in all Ireland ❤✌❤✌❤✌

[@benjackson1077]

This is from 1993, nearly 30 years ago. Things have changed

[@behindstoney6520]

@@benjackson1077 things have not changed that’s just what people say to attract tourists, the peace lines are higher than ever and people are caught with weapons/bombs every week still shootings, still hatred that runs very deep but nice fantasy you have

[@mrspoonofbuttonmoon]

Miserable times those were. It would have been about 1993 that I first realised Belfast had a city centre - we lived about an hour away and never risked going in until then. Can't imagine how it was for the kids that grew up surrounded by all that every day.

[@bubba842]

It wasn't that bad. I was 11 and would always go into Belfast city centre.

[@angusmeigh5141]

There's nothin' for us in Belfast The Pound's old and that's a pity Ok so there's the Trident in Bangor And then you walk back to the city We ain't got nothin' but they don't really care They don't even know you know They just want money We can take it or leave it What we need Is an alternative Ulster Grab it and change it-it's yours! Get an alternative Ulster Ignore the bores and their laws Get an alternative Ulster Be an anti-security force Alter your native Ulster Alter your native land

[@NapoleonGelignite]

Hatred and fear breeds hatred and fear. The troubles were a tragedy. So many young lives, so much promise, all snuffed out in the name of tribal identity. Never again.

[@jamesharden7459]

And one fashion dnt know who they are..but one thing i do no..they are not british

[@stedevo7149]

I'm English and from Liverpool & a Catholic and ive watched a lot of these documentaries, first and foremost my heart goes out to both sides that have lost love ones🙏and I probably don't have a right to give my tuppence worth about the conflicts but as a human being i will, you are all pissing against the wind, there will never be a winner in all this. It is complex theres no getting away from that but tit for tat killings are a 2 minute victory then its the oppositions turn, its going round in circles with no end result.

[@Mr-pn2eh]

As an American all I can say to you is frickin papist.

[@NegativeAccelerate]

Today I saw a heartwarming story about a catholic boy that banged his head and went a bit loopy and went missing in a loyalist neighbourhood. The loyalists in the area set up a search party for the missing boy. That definitely wouldn’t have happened 20 years ago.

[@paullooney2522]

If we Irish people dont come together real soon the Island of Ireland is going to be lost forever to Globalists.

[@mufc20timesbitches36]

@@paullooney2522 varadkars already got your replacements in.

[@amysands8925]

Beautiful most people are good.

[@bradcrossland9323]

This is a universal statement. I have and never will understand how a book about someone who isnt alive, can create so much divide that it breeds depise and hatred. When we bleed its red, when we breathe its oxygen, WE ARE THE SAME.

[@youreapwhatyousow6057]

we are sinners. with sins. we cant go to heaven with those sins on our soul

[@donbryant58]

"Look at the faces and listen to the bells , hard to believe we need a place called hell."

[@edspencer2756]

Devil Inside by INXS told the truth on that one...

[@L4WNY..]

That kid is like a middle aged man in a kids body!! 😝

[@09weenic]

L4WNY hopefully when that kid became an adult he was eventually taken out by my loyalist brothers 🇬🇧

[@samlarsen5459]

09weenic the man child was a loyalist

[@richardgoldie5923]

He was a grown man running about with the weeyins!!😂😂😂

[@goldencheese7247]

Mom knows what's up: there's money to be made from the troubles

[@ULHIS]

We've come a long way. We still bitch at one another from time to time over shite. But together we'll get there, our way. I'm very proud of all the people of Belfast and indeed to be from West Belfast. Unionist, Nationalist, doesn't matter anymore, we've seen what peace can achieve us, and that is what will keep us going 💚🧡

[@CH-zr7qr]

Kevin seems like a good lad.

[@scooby555wrx]

I believe he was convicted in 2017 semtex revolver a few other things.

[@Timo8.2.]

From 17.32 onwards the guy with mustache behind the speaker is thinking hurry tha fuck up my balls are freezing. Lol

[@jackfahy2283]

"Defending the people of Ulster" Shoots unarmed woman...

[@aviationiceman9549]

Jack Fahy shoots IRA terrorist regardless of gender!

[@jackfahy2283]

Haribo 73 thats actually not true, The Loyalists UVF and other paramilitaries like such murdered more innocent people than the British army or IRA

[@jackfahy2283]

Haribo 73 while the IRA and British army did kill civilians (no argument there) the loyalists killed and injured much more

[@Matt-Durham]

Answer this question Jack, as you seem to think your some sort of smart ass, what did all the paramilitaries solve? What was the point in all the bloodsheed and killing it certainly didn't solve anything. IRA, UVF clowns and other idiots what did it all solve Jack shit. What was the sense/point in all the blood spilt regardless of religion? Every baby, child, teenager, woman and man killed and injuried was it worth it? Gerry Adams is / was in the IRA. So please Jack, answer my question what the hell did it all solve?

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

@@Matt-Durham Well, the protestant RUC are gone and the Good Friday agreement is in place and now people can vote on their own future rather than have the system of Gerrymandering that was in place for almost 100 years in Northern Ireland. I'd say alot has changed. Equal rights and opportunity for all, now if that had been given in 1969 there might not have been any conflict.

[@sword-and-shield]

Outstanding video....thx for the post.

[@Dara.308]

A word of advice, stay out of the comments.

[@AmericanHero911]

Ireland! One day you will be free and united! I'd sing on your behalf

[@pamhamilton7456]

Stay out of it

[@Itsjustmyselfsoitis]

Wasn't sure if this was made in the 90s but the music at 2:20 is a bit of a giveaway.

[@BurtonRdForever]

1993.

[@johnsands6616]

We went to Ireland in our camper and felt uneasy in carpark all of sudden the ruc turned up follow us he said he seemed angry do not not come this way that way he said newry I dont have a problem with the Catholics or protestants I respect them as people

[@Poonaanee]

Sinne Fianna Fáil, Atá faoi gheall ag Eirinn, Buíonn dár slua, thar toinn do ráinig chugainn, Faoi mhóid bheith saor, seantír ár sinsear feasta Ní fhágfar faoin tíorán ná faoin tráill; Anocht a théam sa Bhearna Baoil Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil, le gunnaí scréach, trí lámhach na bpiléar, Seo dhíbh canáigh, Amhrán na bhFiann. Tiocfaidh ár lá

[@mattiasfaldt1725]

sectarian violence can never be justified never what side

[@thesaint8400]

@Mark Kenny he's not missing the point at all. Nearly every comment here is on one side. Violence is violence.

[@alexgreen3662]

Video: “Brandon lives in a council flat” I say: “50% of British people live in council flats”

[@seamusdebuitleir20]

Those people who separate,people living in council estates against each other have a lot to answer for the psychological damage to uneducated people will leave deep rooted scars. 🤝💚🔑🇮🇪

[@darrylwikohika9068]

Its how britain rules a country devide n rule

[@DM-it1qf]

My parents recently went on holiday where they went to Ireland for a little while on a guided tour trip. They loved the Republic and thought everything was so beautiful, but they said in comparison where they went in the North (just Derry and Belfast I think) was still pretty rough.

[@dsd7004]

but they are poorish cities. I'm sure there's equally nice parts in Ulster. I've never been but let's not be bias.

[@DM-it1qf]

dsd yeah they did mention that they weren’t shown the nicer parts, they only went through the North very briefly.

[@stephensmith4480]

There are good and bad parts of any city you can name and Belfast is no different. It is a great city with some really nice areas and it has come a long way in recent years. The people are warm and friendly and I just love the place.

[@danielinnicg2114]

Yea belfast here is the 2nd biggest city in lreland and most tourist want to do the peacewall mural tours so it will take you into working class areas but l feel ppl in these communitys including mine go out of there way to help americans and other tourist

[@danielinnicg2114]

We also have g.o.t tours and loads of beauty in the north even in our poverty parts im living proof of this (sry irish charm overload haha)

[@adambrown1654]

There are loads of Protestants in the republic and there’s religious freedom

[@johncahill4259]

Who said it was me? He isn’t wrong so i don’t know what your laughing at my town alone has 3 Protestant churches and it’s well into the south there’s only approximately 1500 people in my town.

[@martinorourke7483]

So much went on over the hundreds of years between both sides, one side was the ruler of the world , occupiying a small country , putting down its culture, language and any sign of their identity. Then as you can see the loyalist unionist side in this clip, they were planted to the northern part of Ireland to a province called Ulster, and they feel abused then, thankfully now in 2020 the way of life is much better.

[@tonidavidson1808]

I’m only 28 born in 91 saw the very last of the atrocities committed and I’m fascinated with the history of my home islands politics it breaks my heart watching these videos, imagine how terrifying it must have been for both sides of the line, there is no right in this fight but both sides are guilty of a colossal amount of wrong, god forgive us our trespasses... looks like Ireland north and south will end up in hell!

[@natashaferran420]

I am from East Belfast and I am so extremely proud of that 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. Cant wait for the 11th and 12th this year to celebrate our history and culture.

[@PuuberZ]

4:57 These 2 little lads look like they're in their mid thirties.

[@djholliday4413]

I am an American of Irish descent. I have been learning a lot about the history of the conflict in Ireland. It is so very sad that people lived this way. What a nightmare. I pray for continued peace & reconciliation across Ireland, and that one day they may be fully united. We are all Children of the Almighty. All followers of Jesus Christ. Everyone deserves to live in peace & prosperity. God bless.

[@Mr-pn2eh]

I'm American and I want division.

[@shanecurry3523]

Its about freedom not religion, Don't fall for the religion lie, its about independence and self governing for a free nation.

[@ciararaf]

Or colonials -v- natives.

[@kiradelong9698]

Peace rarely comes after decades of violence but usually causes a hunger for more violence.

[@killakristian7084]

jeeziz Christ o mighty... these loyalists are still living in the stoneage… tiochfaidh ar la.

[@Itsjustmyselfsoitis]

Nah not the stoneage, just the 1600s since they arrived and won a battle.

[@killakristian7084]

@@Itsjustmyselfsoitis I hear ya mo chara. Erin go bragh

[@bigfred0997]

Don't know about that as it's only the loyalists who take their seats in Westminster fighting for all N Ireland citizens while the republican sinn feinn refuse to go but claim their wages from the British crown lol the irony is incredible but at least some of your terrorist groups are still fighting a hopeless cause as they only seem to be annoying their own community by leaving cars and vans as so called bomb scares in republican areas but Brexit is happening and the way the Republic is being used by the EU then if a hard border goes up then it's your own faults that soldiers will be back and no more smuggling for your terrorist groups to make their money off lol united Ireland hahahaha keep wishing boys

[@killakristian7084]

@@bigfred0997.. Maybe englands mainland will get another visit... So you should keep wishing. "boy" 😎

[@bigfred0997]

@@killakristian7084 please dude look at the state of the IRA now , they are no longer a army as all they have now is a bunch of has been jumped up drug dealers who beat up young republicans for not paying their drug bills on time and their even standing in the middle of roads with collection boxes asking for change lol they even can't shoot straight anymore as they aimed at around 40 police men in Londonderry and missed them from 20 meters and killed a young girl from their own community called Lyra so don't think the name IRA has the same meaning as it did before because no one's running from them and I have lived in Northern Ireland all through the troubles

[@liveecarbme]

I see absolutely no difference between this and the Israel/Palestine conflict...

[@Adamhuge7]

I agree! British immigrants go to northern Ireland and occupy irish land. Jews from Europa go to Palastine and occupy their land

[@shrekisthebestanime3644]

Not really

[@behindstoney6520]

There is none, in fact in Northern Ireland you will often see Israel flags on the lampposts of Protestant neighbourhoods and Palestine flags on the lampposts in catholic neighbourhoods

[@tomsnow5647]

Iv always wanted to go to the home land of my grandfather but now i see why he left lot more things make sense too now

[@Jim54_]

How Protestants and Catholics, two groups of people who worship the same god, same Jesus, and use the same bible, don’t get on, just baffles the mind

[@KyleInOklahoma]

It's nothing to do with religion. If you lived on a small island like ours & a foreign force came & moved the locals off, implanting their own people, would you not fight. It just happens that they are protestant. I grew up in the middle of this, now i live in Oklahoma. I come back each year to see my family & I've lots of protestant friends. Protestant vs Catholic is not exactly right. Most get on now the army are gone. It's nationilists vs loyalists. I know IRA members with protestant family members & Protestants, like Tony Blair who is Catholic.🤷‍♂️I know personally a fella named, "the bycycle bomber" who cycled around London planting bombs. His wife was protestant, now converted to Catholisism. 🙏📿💙

[@Jim54_]

@@KyleInOklahoma that is incorrect, half the Irish population is of Norman (old English) decent, and they have fought for Irish freedom since the 16th Century. Not to mention the Protestant freedom fighters such as the United Irishmen, and the Protestant parliamentarians like Henry Grattan who did the same. Being decedents of colonisers has nothing to do with it. Our nation has absorbed every immigrant group from the Vikings, to the Normans, and even Protestants. We are a mixture of many groups, as is every nation. National identity is an idea, and those who subscribe to it are patriots irregardless. A prime example of this would be Sir Roger Casement, a member of the Protestant Ascendancy and high ranking British Civil Servant, who turned his back on all that to be become an Irish patriot, and be executed because of his role in the 1916 Rising

[@KyleInOklahoma]

@@Jim54_ Regardless of descent, even 4 years ago 76% in the Republic were Catholic. In my comment, anyone reading it will get the sense I am talking about my experience growing up, learning Irish history which never mentioned religion but then we had religion 3 times per week at school. So I agree with what you said, other than what I'm not educated enough to speak on. I don't think that going by names, we can know that half the population of the whole island is Norman & we have no DNA database.🤷‍♂️. So what did I say that is incorrect?

[@Mr-pn2eh]

Catholics and Christians do not worship the same God. Catholics worship the pope while Christians worship God

[@Mr-pn2eh]

@@KyleInOklahoma I hope it starts having to do with religion.

[@Spreewell78]

“The people of this community are united in VICTIMHOOD” then everyone says a prayer about forgiveness 🤨

[@headmondronary2127]

Why does it seem that no one can see the forest for the trees? The anger and violence seems to be keeping them all oppressed. Meanwhile the world keeps spinning and the rest of the world thinks its so long ago and interbreed that the purpose seems immature.

[@cbalducc]

For a supposedly religious war, how many clergy were murdered?

[@palaven4048]

@Anonymous Yeah because the Republicans never deliberately killed protestants right? You're a biased jackass, both sides did horrible things.

[@steveg2251]

Not that many. Both sides churches were hit at different points.

[@keyserni]

Thank you for posting this. Excellent video quality.

[@ferguson20diesel49]

How could they bare to still use a Hymac in 1993.

[@brainbaskerville3341]

what a loveley brave family michelle is full of love and honest good luck all the best for the furture

[@paulmcevilly6712]

two great books to read the shankhill butchers and bandit country

[@RipperBravo]

Agreed, I’ve read both. I recommend The Dirty War by Martin Dillon and Provos, Loyalist and Brits (three books) by Peter Taylor.

[@jaylee7150]

Also fifty dead men walkingl Martin Mcgartland!

[@josephninety6080]

Shite books

[@evansclan4eva49]

Sad. As Martin Luther King said, The worst sin is teaching children to hate. There’s too much hate in this world for what little time we have. Ireland needs to be united ASAP and a strong personal union that we enjoy with the south should continue. NO BORDERS. Catholic or Protestant, the act of forgiveness is central to being a Christian. It’s time to practice what is preached.

[@paddymurphy6667]

It will happen sooner or later Ireland will be free

[@yannber1960]

Sean o'sullavin Irlande will bee afro arabic islamic country like all europe

[@paddymurphy6667]

Yan yee talk shit lol

[@chrisbelfast6662]

@Eire 1916 course it will m8 Irish president looking to let 1 million immigrants in by 2040 even if that isn't true they are coming fast and thick so I wouldn't worry about all Ireland .

[@chrisbelfast6662]

@Eire 1916 well buddy I think you will when they are sucking every bit of welfare dry and it's spot the Irish man .

[@paulmcdonough1093]

not a chance ha ha and you know it

[@gailday3781]

I'm feeling sad 😢 but I understand 😃🍀

[@davidrice4265]

Amazing to see how things were like on the year I was born and how things are 25 years later!

[@ggff3761]

David Rice exactly the fuckin same

[@davidrice4265]

Gg Ff true!

[@ryanward1438]

same lol, i can just about remember them old fire places ect haha

[@BigBoom92]

26 years old here lads and I can't believe I was a little toe rag in nappies while this was going on. Oblivious to this. Going around with not a care in the world. Crazy. As it seems to be heating up again.

[@Hal-zf4fv]

In flatness it’s about time all this stopped. After six months of leaving Northern Ireland I completely lost interest in religion and couldn’t care less if you were Protestant catholic or whatever. It won’t stop until everyone stops teaching the hatred to their kids!

[@markelsdon2453]

Father ted would have put a stop to it

[@adeh503]

Down with that sort of thing 😀

[@rachelallison4495]

IAM proud to be a Catholic 🇮🇪

[@rachelallison4495]

I would be happy to live next to the prods as long as it was safe

[@keithy507]

Lol drinking steiger! (15.10) That brought back a few memories. Think it was 30p a can back then lol

[@keithwhyte8583]

Excellent I noticed the steiger tin too I always remember pissing more than I drank.

[@keithy507]

Keith Whyte those were the days lol 😎

[@Bertiesghost]

£1.37 for a packet of 10 Lambert and Butler!

[@chidon7465]

Man I miss the 90's

[@0mgskillz96]

Wow, i never even heard of this war which was going on just a few decades ago and i gotta say its very interesting, and even though im a man of peace and i feel very bad for all the people who passed, especially the innocent civilians, i do respect the Irish for wanting to secede from their former colonizers, respect from Finland and RIP the fallen!

[@behindstoney6520]

It’s still going on

[@WhataboutTRUTH]

Catholic means universal and is not talking about the church of rome and it's followers, Protestant means someone who stands up for God's Word and Truth of God's Word. The troubles in Northern Ireland UK are between republican s and loyalist s. 2500+ people have been shot since the good Friday agreement there has been failure to get peace in Northern Ireland UK. The hate on both sides still exists

[@noka79]

We are all the same, one day we'll look back and say back when we followed dumb religions they made us fight each other

[@istepheni]

The troubles wasn't really about religion, it was more about republicans against loyalist. As most protestants were loyalist and most Catholics were republican.

[@Blank-km4qr]

@@istepheni yeah it seems to me as an outsider as more of an ethnic-nationalist conflict

[@rivco5008]

My parents used to get into huge arguments about all this.

[@gailday3781]

In the name of the father and the holy Ghost ❤️🍀

[@NicolinaDanielle]

Think you forgot one

[@GirlArmy21]

Watching this from Canada. I don't understand the divide of the religions. I don't see it at all over here ......I had to look and see when this documentary was made...it seems like such an old way of life.

[@behindstoney6520]

Well it still goes on here and the same peacewalls are still up and higher in some parts

[@neiltaylor2893]

this is very sided to the loyalist point of view it.s a shame

[@thesaint8400]

Hardly. It features a Loyalist who claims to have murdered an innocent Catholic woman

[@kollusion1]

It's shocking the bigoted, childish, negative attitude, that the parents pass on to their kids. I can't think of a worse way to handicap a child's mind, & future.

[@SpaceBeatsUC]

First clip duncairn Gardens walls still up gates don't open past 6pm lol

[@stephenholmes1036]

Nobody wants to remember the disappeared! Jean McConville etc

[@robertblake4006]

Northern Ireland belogs to Ireland and must be united. Its occupied by brits for no reason...

[@bubba842]

I don't think you really understand bthe history. You should learn some.

[@jasonobrien1989]

All of Ireland needs the Gospel - that is what will bring a true peace.

[@adeh503]

Sports direct do well in Ireland by the looks of it 😀

[@lisajohnson2699]

It's great to see change in Ulster as long as you have Catholic and Protestants putting themselves in a block your going to have conflict. But if people see the other side as human beings we will be ok. I love when you hear Catholic people who don't work shouting about the British but they sign on what pays for food and live in the house what payed rent. Mostly people in the north want to be no part of any of the rubbish they have normal worries just like the mainland. Long may the peace continue. For everyone