The DKOldies Situation Is Wild

[@systemmonitor5295]

I made the mistake of watching one vid about DKOldies and the algorithm has never let me forget it 😂 EDIT: Jeez, this is at 1.7k likes currently. Just to clarify, I watched a Jacob R video that was randomly suggested to me and ever since, my top recommended have been Jacob's DKOldies videos as well as ReviewTechUSA's. I've never watched DKOldies themselves.

[@Shawnredfield98]

🤣 💯

[@Nel_Annette]

Reviewtechusa MILKING that shit lol

[@subzer007o4]

I would erase it from my watch history and click on don’t recommend this channel. That’s how I clean my algorithm.

[@GoofyPoptart]

@@Nel_Annette I like Rich but he milks stuff so much bro...he loves it.

[@IceKoldKilla]

I just saw one and looked up the website and saw how expense everything is. No thank you. It's literally cheaper to find modded consoles.

[@Cbamptronious]

I live 20 minutes from their shop. They used to let you come in and pick stuff up, but since covid they no longer will. I discovered this when stopped in for an N64 controller a few months back and managed to get them to sell me one since I was there and it was saving them the hassle of shipping it, but they were pretty begrudged about it. So I picked one out with a good stick, it was gross, the kid said they'd clean it up for me while I took care of payment. It came back in basically the same condition. All they did was give it a quick wipe down, which didn't even get all the gunk off it. The casing seam was still caked with the previous owners sweaty hand cheese. I had to tear it down and do a proper cleaning when I got it home. Totally not worth the $42. They're crooks, and the faster the community as a whole knows it the better.

[@neilhy]

'sweaty hand cheese' - LMFAO 😂

[@the-np4mr]

Do they still not let people pick up? That might peeve me more than the overpricing honestky

[@CarlosPerez-vg4xd]

Thanks to this comment I know that I will not buy in that store. I am lucky that I know how to look for good options.

[@ihavenoclue9756]

Crazy world we live in lol

[@stratosphere94]

Sweaty hand cheese - a good band name

[@gamerdudeplayz2.085]

Dkoldies : the type of people that clean up consoles with a cloth and call it refurbished

[@jjchilidogs1990]

Not even a cloth they use Magic Eraser Magic eraser can destroy it and cause major scratches

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

Wipes with cloth. Good enough.

[@NORWOODShadow]

They don't even do that

[@jjchilidogs1990]

@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 Magic Eraser is their go to

[@rp71284]

More like they blow compressed air into the vents, blowing the air into the console to make things worse

[@nickwillard4471]

I just want the algorithm to know that just because I watched a video which speaks about dkoldies, doesn't mean I want to watch dkoldies' videos

[@Roboshi2007]

they're literally exploiting the algorithm with their recent splurge of new videos about anything BUT this issue.

[@penguinjay]

@@Roboshi2007 that;s why it's fun to leave comments bc then they can turn them off and get to look scared and guilty, or leave them up and have people exposing the truth on em, all they can do is delete it as fast as they can. Probably a full time job at this point in time.

[@calibomber209]

The dkoldies bashing is so hot rn and entertaining lol

[@Cesclarenas]

I've seen you through a lot of years disassembling and analizing different consoles. Your word on the matter is gold

[@blackheartaesthetic4432]

Agreed.

[@arandan93]

This situation has gone out of control, but I cannot deny the fact that they claim to refurbish their consoles and send them dirty, I think it's just an ethical matter.

[@melficeskye292]

Not just an ethical matter it also fraudulent wouldn't be surprise if they end up getting into legal trouble

[@MrBioniclefan1]

I can agree with that

[@joe_schmoe_420]

Charging more for something you didn't do is theft

[@princess_niya2407]

I’ve never had a problem with them

[@Diegothefox-q6s]

there are two instances where they sent a n64 to youtubers and the n64 straight up didn't work and the email they got was hilarious where they told them to clean the console themselves like isnt that YOUR job dk scammies so he did it himself and suprise the n64 worked good job dk scammies he did the job you where supposed to do... edit: they also in the email had the nuts to tell him they test and clean all their consoles lol

[@corey2232]

I used to own a game store, sold everything retro as tested & used, and would ALWAYS have customers come back claiming I sold them broken NES consoles... Every time, it was just they didn't understand that carts don't work 100% of the time the first attempt at putting them in a front-loader 😂 So when I heard this story, I thought it must be another case of newer generation just expecting too much from old consoles. Turns out that nope, selling something as "refurbished" when not completely refurbishing things is going to get people upset. Who would've thought?

[@leon4000]

I remember my old NES had issues, but at least I was persistent, which still contributes to them working. Even my Classiq II top-loader needs a bit of work to ensure that the game runs. Once it works, I don't have much problems so long as I don't mess with the cartridge while playing...

[@StealthyJim]

The latest part of Jacob R's DKOldies saga is probably the worst for them. They actually threatened to enforce their warranty sticker voiding, after telling him they were making a one-time exception and replacing the PS3 he had opened.

[@DiGiTyDarKMaN]

Which is illegal. They in no way by law can enforce it, and they know it.

[@dionr1168]

​​@@DiGiTyDarKMaN exactly. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. DKOldies can literally be sued for enforcing it.

[@Idlepit2]

Yeah and the replacement they sent him still hadn't been cleaned or refurbished despite them putting a note on the order telling their team to "please clean" lol

[@JorshPodGaming]

​@@Idlepit2 yeah, that note ... "Please clean" and no one cleaned the console Xd

[@williammiller3277]

@DiGiTyDarKMaN best part is they probably dont know it because that would entail being competent in business.

[@Psmgamer]

My mom came close to buying an NES from DKOldies for $220. Glad she didn't as I never trusted them cause of their high prices.

[@IaconDawnshire]

$220!? That's highway robbery!

[@marcellachine5718]

@@IaconDawnshire yep. You can get a nes with 2 controllers for about 80 dollars.

[@Psmgamer]

@@IaconDawnshire Yeah it was like $150 with tax like $200.

[@TheEvilRayquaza]

Also wouldve came with third party controllers too

[@davion4777]

@@TheEvilRayquaza yeah and that’s the worst part in my opinion. You are paying double or even triple the price for a console and then you have to pay MORE for a first party controller which should be included by DEFAULT. That’s so bad I don’t even know what to say

[@AJTComicsBrand]

I Don't buy from overpriced retro game stores. I don't buy from them.

[@AshED65]

Same I do my retro game buying on Ebay.

[@AJTComicsBrand]

@@AshED65 I stop buying retro stuff years ago. I'm only looking at flea markets or Goodwill.

[@CNYKnifeNut]

@@AshED65 Looks to me like they base their prices on recent eBay sales. Not trying to justify their prices, just saying that youre only overpaying from a different source.

[@seanf3580]

The big issue with DK is that they flat out deny any wrongdoing. Everyone is a “hater”. As you said if it’s used label it as such…if you cleaned it or replaced parts it’s refurbished. Honesty is all people are asking for

[@lemonlime8949]

I saw the paid promotion and thought “imagine he said sponsored by dkoldies” 😂

[@joniden2215]

I honestly would chuckle at that.

[@katlee8778]

dkdoldies can’t afford to sponsor shit bro

[@bacardim390]

brooo lmao

[@Anubalfer]

I really appreciate when people put a little extra effort into their craft and make sure that not only does the device work well, but that it is also cleaned and protected to extend its life and look aesthetically pleasing. In my work I like to get right down to all the little details and return the product in far better condition. I understand that getting it back to working condition is most important, especially when the owners don't do proper maintenance or clearly abuse the equipment, but some places seem to just do the bare minimum and still charge top dollar for it.

[@loganbratland4207]

DK Oldies is like a lot of random video game stores around the country. In Vegas, we have 2 "Wii Play Games" that have similar prices and just take advantage of people that don't know better.

[@tacoastline]

Hey I know that place! good taco place in that plaza!

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

I have a bunch of bad retro game stores around me. And just as many good ones. DK Oldies just had the gumptcha to move online and market. It's like how I used to play Magic the Gathering at a store in Ohio called Alter Reality Games. There were 5 other card shops and tabletop stores I frequented and they all went under except for ARG because they moved to online sales. StarCityGames started out the same way with a bit more success. I think you'd have to be a fool not to do online sales. Low risk of theft/shoplifting, especially if your return address is a PO Box and your warehouse location is kept secret. You can handle all transactions privately without having to deal with problem customers. Brick and Mortar can only market to the immediate area. Even in an urban area, there's only 50,000 ish people in my 5 mile radius. I get half a million clicks on my ebay listings per month. DK Oldies is in a less populated area but gets millions of views on their KZbin videos. It's all a numbers game with retail. DK Oldies basically has the growing pains of getting tons of exposure from their marketing, but in reality they're one of the bad ones. Not many stores get this much light cast on them.

[@JaredConnell]

Are there any good places to go in town? I live near Henderson

[@loganbratland4207]

@@JaredConnell You're in luck. The best store is Retro City Games on Stephanie by Galleria Mall. They have another location at Town Square but the Henderson location is the best.

[@Gambit0590]

@@whatwasisaying1338 No, they're operating on fraud

[@chuckd.68]

I personally would love to see more Techwave videos. I love when you get new or old hardware and modify or repair it on camera.

[@xaranthius1415]

You were the nicest youtuber so far to DKOldies lol. Yeah, maybe they just don't know what used vs refurbished means....even after having it yelled at them repeatedly by anyone who has started paying attention to them over the last month or two.

[@crystalwater505]

Yeah but you know what? Sami Zayn lost to Roman Reigns last night at Elimination Chamber.

[@Tramelle]

"Props to DK Oldies for marketing themselves so well, otherwise we wouldn't know about these scam artists"

[@zidellomedia]

Props for them for getting sued

[@antiquefuturistic]

Props to the ignorant casual gamers who buy from them

[@lemonlime8949]

The day spawn wave acknowledges Dk oldies was a day I never thought I’d see 😂 this will be interesting

[@jake78441]

🤣

[@OneisOnemakesEleven]

Ditto, it's about time though.

[@yikes6969]

Never expected a guy who talks about game consoles....to talk about place that sales game consoles

[@lemonlime8949]

@@yikes6969 gross oversimplification but sure

[@yikes6969]

@@lemonlime8949 more like you just said something dumb

[@PDudley]

This video is exponentially more informative than anyone else making videos on DK oldies recently. Spawn waves always super fair and legitimate

[@Thoushaltplaymore]

Retro future hold my beer.....

[@aloeinorbit]

A few creators I feel are really milking the whole situation. The point has been made but they insist that they’re “exposing” them when really we’ve known that for a while.

[@HackySmack53]

Great video spawn, netural and no drama, with all the valid points

[@CBreezie]

He wasn't really neutral though lol he clearly commentated on the "really bad" refurbished videos and elaborated on how bad of a refurbishment they did. Objective. Not neutral. The word youre looking for is "objective". Spawn was being objective. Sticking to the facts and the first hand experiences.

[@Maku98_]

@@CBreezie 🤓

[@StarDragonJP]

If you're going to "refurbish" a console I think cleaning out the dust is the bare minimum you should do, & they can't even do that.

[@NYATLChris]

That would require to actually refurbish the console.

[@jmike2039]

The fact that they legally can't enforce these warranty stickers but will tell people 'hey we will still help you out' is so sleezy. They know they can't enforce it but play on the ignorance on their customers as a way to make themselves look like they are doing a good thing when in reality is sleezy as hell. What a mirage.

[@ArtemisKitty]

Actually, that might be the bullet that kills them when the inevitable class action starts. Warranties have specific laws regarding them, and they may find themselves in breach of contract with everyone they've ever done business with... That little sticker might be their death sentence.

[@JohnnyRedgrave]

Now who's the guy that's going to sue👀👀

[@ArtemisKitty]

@@JohnnyRedgrave Probably many of their customers, now that the dishonesty/misrepresentation and therefore fraud has become public knowledge. Warranty law requires the protected item/service to be as it is listed, and since they're calling these (and charging a premium for) as refurbished, that means the warranty is void, and they are in breach. That's why I expect to see a class action lawsuit against them at some point.

[@ThisIsSrsBsnsMan]

It’s not sleezy at all. There’s a year long warranty. What’s stopping me from buying a console, taking out a part I need and replacing it with the broken part I have? If the console doesn’t work, and the sticker is on, then it’s clear that it’s on DK. They’re stupid for not cleaning things thoroughly though if they’re gonna put a sticker on it.

[@ArtemisKitty]

@@ThisIsSrsBsnsMan The word warranty guarantees that a product will remain in the same fully functional condition it was sold in, which DKOldies itself states as working, cleaned, and refurbished. Not all, if any, of the items they sell fit this description, so it cannot be covered. They themselves have violated the warranty already by expressing the item as being something other than it is. You can't sell something as guaranteed to work properly for a year when it doesn't work to begin with. The fact that they sell products in varying conditions makes it fraudulent. For a warranty to be expressed, the item must be represented accurately AND be identical or comparable from a legal standpoint to ALL items given the same warranty. The laws don't let you pick and choose which items will match and which customers just get screwed by it. They ALSO have shown no indication whatsoever of a license authorizing them as a warranty provider to even offer said warranty. It's very dry reading, but all warranties are FRAUGHT with terms and conditions imposed by law. It's no more genuine than if the sticker said "Made on Mars out of solid gold". Edit: Also... They're an American company. Removing stickers DOES NOT void warranties, expressed or implied, in America. Stating that removing the sticker would violate a warranty is a federal offense. The company representative who stated that broke the law by doing so. It's been this way since 1975. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act allows not only removal of stickers, but expressly protects opening your electronic devices without fear of losing the warranty.

[@BullCraftMaxx]

Spawn you gotta order a DKOldies console and open it up like you used to for GameStop consoles

[@tsg5787]

Rather not they get more money lmao

[@justbenelson]

@@davidb.6681 Most of the people who are doing that have no experience refurbishing consoles. Spawn does, so he would help legitimize the controversy. Him purchasing a console from DKOldies to examine would be an investment. I'm not one for telling people what to do, but I can see the value of his contribution in this matter.

[@droid4d279]

That would be a cool review

[@IaconDawnshire]

DKOldies can piss off

[@BullCraftMaxx]

​@@davidb.6681 It is to Spawns benefit. If he ordered one and opened it up the video would get at least 200K views easily

[@CriticPerfect]

to me it’s insane how hard they push the fact they do refurbish when they literally arent

[@G3323R]

That's wild I follow them for there media content, but have never bought anything from them because how expensive shipping, handling and import fees are! I'm glad I saw this video before I did buy anything from them keep up the good work and spread the word!

[@RetroGaming_07]

Same here I never bought anything from Dk Oldies and I only subbed to them because Joey seems like a cool guy but he's working for a scam of a business and Joey might be a scammer but I don't know. I'm glad I recently unsubbed to Dks Channel and I'm done supporting them until they address and fix the issues and take accountability and if they don't then they might go out of business.

[@garyw595]

Great video. Fair analysis of the entire situation, without over reaction or accusation. Just coming from a place of education to help everyone involved. With some good suggestions. Well done sir. This is why You are the only retro news channel I tune into anymore. Cheers!

[@willgibson8534]

Lol spawnwave isn’t a retro channel ..

[@rp71284]

They have to make a choice; sell items as used, as in not refurbished but repaired to working condition, and drop their prices, or sell items as refurbished and invest $$ into actual full refurbishments. You can't sell a 15 year old console as refurbished without doing thermal compound changes and disc drive cleaning.

[@Fuuka_Yuki]

I bought a PS3 from them. Pretty stupid idea. I got a cosmetic flawed one but when I got it and plugged it in lol. It shut down after being in the OS for an few mins because it was overheating. I opened it up and it was caked in dust all the way through. The paste was non existent... It was pretty bad. I reached out to them and they offered a replacement but I ended up just cleaning it out and replacing the paste myself.

[@NYATLChris]

And people are spending 400 bucks for the privilege. Scam company.

[@Fuuka_Yuki]

@@NYATLChris I definitely learned my lesson.

[@NYATLChris]

@bicboi30 and does even the average casual buyer have the tools are knowledge on how to fix the console themselves. Scam company.

[@ggratedchannel]

It’s crazy to think how many people have no idea how much they got “had.” Their shortcuts make them a ton of money but only have a few actually say anything bad. They’ll continue until a lawsuit heads their way.

[@AronGKatz]

I loved the marketing of that store. But never in my life I thought about buying from them. Prices are outrageous

[@JaiaV]

Every DKOldies order I've made I've had to repair, clean, or refurbish myself. I have even gotten fully corroded game cartridges from them at least twice, and had to do at least one return on every order. Their CS is amazing, but I only know that because their initial product deliveries are AWFUL. The copy of Mario Kart for the GBA I got from them was completely corroded through, with all the traces eaten completely off of the board. The casing of the cartridge was still full of dirt and liquid. There's absolutely no way it could have ever worked in that state. They were quick to replace it, even allowing me to attempt to save it by bypassing traces and soldering new lines in, but they never should have shipped a game in that state. The most recent awful one was they sent me a pair of PS2 controllers that were absolutely coated in a centimeter thick layer of OILY GOO and rusted all over. They are absolutely *not* worth what they charge, and they very clearly don't clean, test, or even look at stuff before sending it off.

[@wettuga2762]

You're the only KZbinr so far that explained in detail the difference between what "refurbished" seems to mean to DKoldies and what it actually means to you/us. Other KZbinrs just rant about not being refurbished, which IMO it seemed to be a HUGE misuse of the word by DKoldies in the beginning, but it's becoming abundantly clear that they actually know what the word means, by launching several videos/shorts in the last days in a failed attempt to smuther other videos exposing their practices.

[@austinzuspann6647]

I would say their business practices seem to be intentionally deceptive. The real problem is that there is no LEGAL definition for what "Refurbished" actually means. As it sits, it could mean anything from simply being "tested" all the way up to a full restore. The quality of said refurbishment is going to vary wildly from company to company. Technically speaking, DKOldies isn't scamming anyone because, from a purely legal standpoint, their consoles ARE refurbished. They may not be up to my personal standards but again, there are no laws keeping them from selling a console that is only tested as "refurbished" because there is no legal definition or standard for it. Refurbished is just a made up word companies use to make consumers feel more confident about buying used products. Either we as a community have to hold companies to a higher standard, or advocate for changes in the language of the law to prevent companies from deceiving consumers.

[@Stunbunny]

The only reason I know about this seller is because of KZbinrs buying consoles from them and then complaining about how bad they are (the consoles and the seller). After about the fifth video along these lines, I can’t help but wonder… why are people still buying from this place?!?

[@AJ-FL]

Def appreciate your take, having said that, I felt like you were trying to be nice about the situation when DKOLDIES has doubled down and created a whole video of how the supposedly do refurbish their systems and have taken 0 accountability and now have preceded to delete any comments that reference any of their mal-practices

[@dannewhall5256]

My wife, who doesn't really have any retro game knowledge, wanted to buy me a gameboy color about a year ago. Got me one from DKOldies. I'm always someone that likes to clean and fix old retro consoles, so I just opened it up when I got it anyways. Thing was dirty everywhere, obviously they never had tried to clean it. The only thing I could see that they actually did was replace a capacitor. Cleaned the entire thing myself and it was fine. But shows that they've been doing this for a while and unfortunately they jack up prices for unsuspecting people like my wife that don't know any better.

[@alexsmith6914]

They seriously told that one dude, “Well you broke our warranty seal, but we’ll make an exception for you. They sent him a new one and that one wasn’t refurbished either! 😂 That dude Joey is a straight up shyster.

[@FallouFitness_NattyEdition]

To be fair, I think Joey is just the face of the company. Then again, I don't know what else he does for the company.

[@GrumpyIan]

@@FallouFitness_NattyEdition he's the used car salesman for sure. He might be the owner but I doubt he has the know how to tear down and fix the consoles.

[@Curlyheart]

Shyster?

[@alexsmith6914]

@@Curlyheart No doubt!

[@OCSM1TH]

Yea Joey is just the face. Not the owner or anything. Still though, the face is the one who will get the most criticism because he's the one wifh the voice as well

[@RayRae559]

This was one of the only channels I wanted to hear a reaction from when it came to this whole DK Debacle.

[@anthonywestover5326]

You would think he would take more of a side on the issues in question since he does regular teardowns of consoles all the time. Oh well.

[@lordmolag45000]

This calls for Spawn Wave to buy something from DKOldies. We need more tech reviews from Spawn Wave.

[@MegaHyperCombo]

I ordered a Nintendo DS charger from their site. I paid official prices for one, but got a 3rd party charger. Nothing indicated it would be a 3rd party charger.

[@_Paul_N]

Stick to EBay and Mercari lol. These guys false advertise everything.

[@blwn2bts]

I totally understand having bad experiences with a company and wanting to let people know, but at this point, it feels like anyone who would need to be warned about DK Oldies knows. All these videos still being made to "expose" them are really just folks looking for views and hoping that beefing with them will boost their channel. I don't think there is really anything more to say on the matter that is worthwhile. I appreciate Jon giving his two cents on the subject, and I'm glad that he isn't going to bother latching onto it like all these other folks who are making multiple videos. It's just beating a dead horse.

[@pumpkin6112]

I feel like on the one hand yeah they're basically beating a dead horse for continuing to "expose" them but on the other hand if they stop a lot of people are gonna forgot about this whole thing because people's attention span are just short nowadays, I just feel like the only way for even more people to know about this at this point is for other channels to cover the situation like what Jon did but yeah it just feels like a damned or be damned kind of thing at this point.

[@eliotwildermann]

I bought a refurbished ps4 pro from a local shop and they had replaced the fan and put an ssd in + plus fully cleaning the thing and I payed $220 for it which I thought was a steal

[@EivindFlores]

I'd die of shock if Spawn Wave was ever actually critical of anyone or anything.

[@bacondude1985]

Class action lawyer here. This sounds like grounds for a strong false advertising case to me…

[@TJWasiuk]

I ordered some games from DK Oldies in 2011. But haven’t really since then because their prices are not competitive and like you said you cannot see the product.

[@CaptainDan21]

I loved hearing you talk about your refurbishing experience. Great video as usual!

[@jqwright28]

At this point I expect Joey to ask Spawnwave to show them how to open some consoles so they can at least dust them and remove the roaches, lol.

[@fusionsct3999]

How is everyone missing the fact that they say “cleaned” in the description? Sure there are many ways they could claim they are refurbished, but not cleaning it and selling it as such is clearly false advertising or just straight up fraud. Remember you are PAYING for that service. Hence the increased prices they charge. There isn’t a judge on this planet that would look at all these consoles and say they were cleaned as advertised. Now onto the term refurbished. In the retro repair community it is well established that means basic maintenance. Cleaning, replacing wear parts, replacing broken parts, re-greasing. This can include belts, gears, capacitors, lasers, pins, hinges and numerous other things. This is very easily argued in courts as there are mountains of videos by now showing exactly what these aging systems need to continue to function. In time they all will fail without some sort of refurbishment and that is what people are expecting when they pay the higher than normal prices for these consoles.

[@russdoesburg1720]

I tried to sell some games to them and got super low balled. Took the same games to a local shop and was offered double if not more. It was mostly common stuff but some decent gems. They have good marketing tictok videos but yea I am not a fan.

[@NYATLChris]

Refurbished to me means that you clean, fix/replace and test out the console before you sell it. DK oldies is scamming people for selling a 400 without doing anything. And the buyer realizes the console doesn't work and is dirty and hasn't been repaired.

[@MXALOVE]

DKOldies prices wouldn't be an issue if it was actually refurbished. Definitely still way too expensive but at that point it's on the consumer

[@MattSmith38258]

Anyone else notice when the code is up for Factor how it looks like he’s struggling to cut that frozen dinner?

[@h8GW]

10:10 I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who kept returning his PS3 to you, whom you discovered actually was switching out the motherboard in between, happens to work for DKoldies.

[@GrumpyIan]

My theory is that they lost a lot of staff that actually did the refurbishment and so they're just doing "Does it turn on? Send it out, if the customer returns it then we'll fix it."

[@davistobia1425]

Agreed general cleaning and new paste but if you buy an old console you should become familiar with the cleaning and basic fixing yourself. It become part of the hobby

[@thedude8128]

it's great that more content creators are exposing these people. It's disgusting what they are doing to retro gaming and the way they are reacting by deleting comments, blocking KZbinrs is sad AF. Also the fake shorts of fake KZbinrs claiming to receive their stuff but not opening it up to snow their work is so bad it's satire at this point The KZbinrs working with them in these videos clearky don't ever want fame. Lols

[@Nel_Annette]

I will not buy anything used (especially expensive) online unless they have a picture of the product itself, not a stock image. It's why I avoid so many "good deals" on sites like eBay.

[@Jawwaad1111]

I’m surprised RGT hasn’t made a ton of videos about it since he loves to ride the what’s trending train and make tons of videos about the same thing.

[@U.C.1180]

Oh don’t worry RTU has it covered. He’s been making 5-6 videos a week on them.

[@JKO716]

Thumbs up for your comment and I know what you mean, he's getting on my nerves already with the constant complaining and this guy here jumps on the bandwagon too when RTU and Jacob R has this covered and these dudes just want to chime in to get views on their channels

[@U.C.1180]

@@JKO716 yeah. DKOldies never appeared on my timeline until RTU’s nonstop bombardment of DKOldies. Now DKOldies is being recon and I don’t even watch their content

[@joshuaupham5993]

If it has a fan inside the console, it should ALWAYS be opened up to be cleaned out.

[@osurocks24]

I have no interest in buying from them but I have to admit I love Joey's videos of him filming out orders. Seems like a generally nice guy.

[@JLong8986]

Thank you for talking about this issue Spawn Wave.

[@iSupermanCKi]

I paid around $110 for an A01 PS3 with 3 original controllers. Delidded, repasted & cleaned the system and replaced the batteries in and cleaned the controllers. I also installed a +30% fan mod while I had it apart. You just gotta look for the deals and if you're comfortable do the refurbishing work yourself.

[@T.h.Luke123]

A KZbinr bought a refurbished PS3 and when he opened it up it was grime and nasty, dkoldies response was “your not supposed to open up the console but this time we will make an acception”

[@martingonzales5233]

He should totally do a test of a “refurbished” console

[@thehitmanzack]

I always classified a used console being sold "As is" and Refurbished as "Opened, Cleaned, any problems fixed if needed".. so when I see it isn't at least cleaned out inside, I don't consider it refurbished, but used.

[@pieroluciano3272]

Jon, it is because of the fact that you also take systems apart that I subscribed to your channel! Sure, it makes sense if you're hired to fix systems that you would not spend the whole day on one, BUT as an end user with some electronic skills, we can fix our systems ourselves because of you! Thank you!

[@peppyrobo7049]

The worst one was Jacob R’s PS3. That PS3 was so dusty and dirty that I actually think that would have been a safety hazard with how bad it was.

[@PRINCEVEGETA777_TCG]

I think the reason they charge so much is to go out and offer more money to people to buy their collection and then they try to compensate by charging ridiculous prices.

[@TheRolling123]

That could be part of it plus they wanna cut corners for a profit

[@matchesmalone79]

When I buy used, I prefer it "used" rather than "refurbished," tbh. Refurbished usually means the casing has been opened, and it's been messed with in some way. Usually, the item is made to work for as cheap as possible repair cost, which would also mean replaced with cheap parts.

[@DSSeraph]

Don't get them wrong, they know EXACTLY what refurbishing vs used is. They just don't care, and don't do it, because it cuts into their profit margins and until people with an audience started lighting a fire under their collective ass', more often than not they would have been sending consoles to nostalgic soccer mom's and similar folks that wouldn't know the difference and, especially with the sticker scare tactic, would never open the console to find out, so long as it did the bare minimum of running a game. Saying things are "refurbished" was just them taking a slice of Kraft American cheese from a package and putting a "super premium select 100% free range dairy blend" sticker on it and selling it for more than the price of the entire pack they took it from. It's a tactic to try and veil their ridiculously marked up prices in "premium value" that the vast majority of people paying won't have the knowledge to call them out on and fall for hook line and sinker.

[@james441]

I believe it’s a mix of lies and truth. My version of dk oldies does the same things they’ve been accused of but something tells me the witch hunt is going TOO FAR

[@djsierra777]

I have the same mindset. Whenever I see criticism on the condition of their items I agree with it, but a lot of that criticism is almost always followed by a "and they also..." with personal gripes. Yes, they did a bad and should be judged by that but it looks like others who already disliked them are just piggy backing off of this.

[@Luhiner]

@@djsierra777 honestly they deserve it if they do this to their customers

[@robshole]

Yeah lying to your customers isn't something I'd defend as a business owner. Also they're artificially inflating the resale market by selling items they are promising are refurbished and they're not. Now other shops might feel emboldened to do the same thing which is bad.

[@blwn2bts]

It's just beefing to get attention and views.

[@Ali-rg8uk]

Witch hunt???? Bro it's a store. Who cares

[@clefable6]

The problem I have with just about ALL of the KZbinrs who claim to have been scammed all have 1 issue... They don't ever show a proper unboxing. They all claim they got it, opened the box, then decided to make a video on it. It discredits their validity and, leads me to believe that it is a cheap shot for views. It's why I come to this channel because I know it isn't for the views. This channel always has had high integrity.

[@mrmarr8308]

I remember when I got a 'refurbished' ps3. My daughter and I were excited to play, but as soon as I turned on the console dust shot out and went everywhere. My daughter had a mini asthma attack, and I just sent that crap back. I'm glad they are finally getting exposed. Also, how can u say they made a mistake when they upload videos showing them cleaning consoles, they make it very clear that they know what refurbished means and yet they can't be bothered to wipe down some dust.

[@DubsBrown]

Hit the nail on the head: DKoldies is for casuals They need to differentiate between used and refurbished The higher price should translate to higher quality

[@Lucario1121]

I love how despite all this contraversy, they still haven't made a video explaining about but still making fun Tik Tok videos like morning wrong

[@jesse40900]

I bought a copy of ocarina of time a year ago from them. They sent me the “gamers choice” copy or whatever the best seller edition was. It was not near good condition and it literally had brown sticky stuff all over it.

[@I_SuperHiro_I]

I picked up a Back Compatibility PS3 for $35. $400 is criminal.

[@IceWarm]

I bought Jet Force Gemini from them a few years ago. It was $10. Now it's listed at $19.99, with them claiming the original price is $29.99, it's out of hand at this point.

[@MrWrightWay]

Great video about this topic as DK is an major issue with the hardcore audience , where they have done a god job with a lot of casual buyers who don't care as long they get the game or system.

[@MadnessMan13]

If you’d ever want a Backwards Compatible Ps3 with the warranty sticker still in tact that overheats after playing certain graphically taxing games I would send in to you & pay you dude. Seems like you have all the knowledge in the world when it comes to console & it’s awesome imo.

[@stellarkym]

They never refurbish anything. I bought PS2 on them and it didn't worked. Opened it up and it's too dirty and wrecked inside. They wouldn't let me replace it because they said that the sticker is voided.

[@Evan11J]

If you want to over pay for items , then do so. When you advertise that you clean and refurbish these consoles and you don't, that is fraud. The fact that they won't admit they do this just shows how much of a scum bag company they are....

[@Slayn]

They are scamming folks by labeling their consoles as “refurbished” when they do a half ass job and charge premium for it.

[@NiGHTS1980]

They just need to stop saying they refurbish their consoles. Because they clearly don't. Or just fire their staff and rehire because they obviously aren't doing their job.

[@brandonfarfan1978]

Good to see Spawnwave finally talking about DK Oldies. I was waiting for him to make a vid on them.👍😄

[@Jake76667]

i have a theory: because DKoldies is really big operation & they don’t want to spend even more money, they skimp out on refurbishing there consoles they sell. and that also explains why there prices everything is so much higher then a local mom & pop store or even on ebay

[@Killertamagotchi]

Another problem for them will be that there are fake discounts. No matter when you go to the site, everything is supposedly discounted and always for the same price. As far as I know, fake discounts are also illegal in the USA. That alone should set off alarm bells

[@defaul_tm4886]

there's is the fair market which in most cases is reasonable, then there is DKoldies which over charge you and dont even give you OEM parts or accessories

[@number-qm2uh]

I saw a girl they said was a customer I saw her on the videos in the background in the videos . So they are posting fake customer input.

[@number-qm2uh]

@@fechaqui9513 ya the first guy and the 2nd one was a girl.

[@rickjames4181]

This guy gets it, an actual person who’s been in the refurbished business. Well said brother.

[@ChodaBoyUSA]

It is called deceptive marketing, a.k.a. false advertising, a.k.a. fraud. I believe they should be criminally and civilly prosecuted.

[@urogoth]

The main problem for me is they specifically say they clean out every console no matter what and so many people get disgusting consoles

[@krisrei8942]

pls look up the youtuber Kreesky he bought a N64 from DKoldies and he tested the console first didnt work he messaged DKoldies to let them kmow the console does not work & DKoldies told Kreesky to clean the console HIMSELF something THEY were supposed to do. DKoldies pretending to let Jacob R slide because they know they cant uphold their illegal warranty stickers jus thought what they told Kreesky was just as crazy!!! DKoldies need to be sued from these people that have been personally affected by them to put them in a position where they would have to file bankruptcy & shut down so they can never scam anyone ever again.

[@DerkuiDerkui]

You're saying that refurbish is just opening up the console and fixing something, not necessarily cleaning it thoroughly or apply new thermal paste. The DKOldies problem is they are posting videos of them thoroughly cleaning and going above/beyond BUT consumers aren't getting any such services as they just send consoles as is with a warranty sticker on it.

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

This is so sad for me. It is so hard to find good resellers in the retro market! Either you’re willing to pay premium or you’re getting a product with questionable quality. Guess the best way to play retro is to already have the console and pray the games you buy aren’t scratched.

[@FooFightersBootlegs]

Over here in the UK, we have a pre-owned place called CeX, that has online and in-store departments. I saw Luigi's Mansion for the GameCube on DKOldies website in this video listed for $90. The same game over here at the CeX store (where you can see the game before buying and which is complete), is £40, which is about $47

[@maxx.mazzeo]

Finally a really qualify speaker for this issue.

[@AuriWolf]

I actually bought a GBA SP from them a while back, and it had a but of an issue. They were very good about replacing it without complaint, though I had to poke them once or twice. This was before they got way bigger though.

[@rockvault3284]

DKOldies blocked me for just mentioning ReviewTechUSA