The DO MORE mindset is ruining the planet

[@MrJoecordo]

hey its Lou and some WILD shit is going down with modern life.

[@semeano]

I imagine this video being played 30 years from now and people saying "If we knew it back then already, then why didn't we do anything?"

[@utkarshawasthi1665]

Video title. Taking digs at Casey huh? 🧐🧐😂😂

[@blb86]

Literally what I thought the second I saw the title.

[@thecolourtone]

Ditto. Major cringe when I read it.

[@BearsThatCare]

Would love to hear what Casey has to say about all this

[@91_C4_FL]

More like good clickbait.

[@xxfrogluvrxx]

@@BearsThatCare lol is all in good fun bruh, Casey said he wants to get a do less tattoo

[@defaultmesh]

so like... “You know what’s better than buying things? Not buying things” sort of thing

[@officialDragonMap]

more like "You know what's better than spending k$ 1 a year on a new TV which lasts one year? Spend 10 grand on a TV which will last for ten."

[@dl2839]

It's like, we want Communism/Socialism so we'll package you the lie of global warming so you'll go along with a system that has resulted in horrific failures throughout human history.

[@gibson1005]

@@dl2839 So who are the liars, the thousands of scientists who proved that global warming is real and dangerous, or the few republicans that believe this is a hoax?

[@kbs1212]

Admin Dragon-Map My $700 plasma TV from 2011 is still going strong today.

[@sureshkumar-qw9ny]

THis video is packed with so much information. There are many real time example to support most claims. Before now i have never heard about such movement nor did i imagine i could find that there are people working on answers to questions which i had ever since i exposed myself to this society and it's politics.

[@BdR76]

3:41 My smart TV crashed out of this video right after "let's not put all our eggs in some techno optimist basket".. the irony.

[@fr3scotv556]

BdR76 u gotta pay your internet bills my friend 😂

[@dariusdareme]

"De-growth" basically just means minimalism.

[@randyozaeta1026]

Yes but designing a economy to support that... so that it would be possible not to work while being miniailist and working for a few wants :) sounds great

[@d123s404]

Not exactly. The video mentions that poorer areas are encouraged to grow in De-growth to redistribute resources which is not in line with minimalism.

[@MarioAtheonio]

"For starters, I'm deeply suspicious about principles that are alliterative." I relate to this so much.

[@DavId-qz4ej]

That last sentence with "the only thing remaining of oneself being a single waste plastic cup" was deep

[@lightfire9165]

Mininalism is great, try it for your self. You can get some motivation from mat d'avella or the minimalists. Just look Them up

[@dariusdareme]

Mat d'avella. You miseed an 'a'.

[@MarioKstgr]

Matt is great. Really like that Dude!

[@randyozaeta1026]

Doesnt it require captial?

[@Friek555]

Why do people always make comments like this on KZbin?

[@lightfire9165]

@@Friek555 what do you mean?

[@skirk4123]

Andrew Yang is the only political force talking about this

[@Theres_No_PlanetB]

S Kirk oh, thanks

[@derpderper7329]

Yang gang 2020 (I’m not even from America, I just like the guy)

[@leio94]

Such a well-produced show you guys make. Always a pleasure to watch and learn from!

[@flavio___lira]

#yang2020 talks exactly about this! GDP isn't an effective measure for quality of life.

[@chrisn7847]

But this also counters another thing Yang says in that if we give people more money per month, that increases the amount of consumption. Therefore increasing our climate issues. I've been thinking about this for months now and as much as I like Yang for diagnosing the problem and having real solutions, long term giving people money every month will have more negative effects that we aren't talking about. Just like people never expected Facebook and Instagram to be so addictive today, there is always "cause and effect" with new things.

[@scottyhaines4226]

@@chrisn7847 that's true but I think most people will use the extra money to pay debts first before they go and buy things. That's what happened when Bush did the stimulus package years ago. Most of them used the money to pay debt.

[@galek75]

@@chrisn7847 This is why we need philosophy as therapy to cure us of our contradictory beliefs and desires.

[@maven12LA]

Beme news always report the most interesting stories

[@KVGilly]

lol good one

[@kbs1212]

TimTalksTV You clearly didn’t watch the video

[@clemfandango9033]

but but.... the shareholders?

[@walkinmn]

That's the thing, if we measure how much a company is worthy and by extension, the economy of a region by the percentage of how much the shareholders get richer and richer, it becomes unsustainable

[@johnsphpaulin1162]

This Idea is simultaneously unpractical, dangerous, and infuriatingly defeatist. Firstly this would require a massively totalitarian world government in order to accomplish, as it requires global wealth redistribution on an unprecedented scale and strict regulations on the kind of life people can lead. Also such a government couldn't possibly be democratic as these policies would directly hurt to many to be popular. Secondly it necessitates shrinking the amount of wealth held by the global 1% which includes most of the Developed world (Basically if you aren't homeless you're part of the global 1%). So a post De-growth world would likely have most people in the formerly developed world incapable of feeding and housing themselves unless you took even more authoritarian control over the economy. And that really is the theme of this idea, Authoritarianism. Regardless of ism's this plan would require a global command economy in order to function, and even if everything works flawlessly (which is basically impossible under a command economy) it would still leave most people in a state of hopeless subsistence. Less of a minimalist utopia and more of a global third world.

[@stereo123]

Yeah, why don't they admit they're communists? Be honest, dammit

[@MarioKstgr]

Would like to hear what Gary Vaynerchuk and Casey Neistat say about this video...

[@calisthenicschicken8812]

TRIGGERED!

[@sheffieldiswonderful]

And Grant Cardone

[@noeldillabough2153]

Unfortunately corruption is built in to us and we - even in utopia - are too crooked for any of this to work

[@kelsangdolma2564]

I get so many calls and texts from friends and families about how unhappy and stressed they are with their jobs, how they need a break. It is alarming. This has to mean something, we can't say what we are doing to this planet is working anymore.

[@Potatisem]

Amazing videos! Wish you guys did longer content mixed in as well! This one really hit home.

[@kbs1212]

This video is a breath of fresh air. I feel hope.

[@DarioCortese89]

This is a beautiful piece, Lou. Thanks for making it. I'd like to mention the amazing work by Ted Trainer, for anyone interested in a propositive/practical narrative of degrowth lifestyles.

[@Torsee]

Shortly: “It’s the end of the world as we know it! It’s the end of the world as we know it!.” Too little to late.. Good luck folks! Great video! Should be mandatory viewing!

[@henrikpehkonen4756]

Early and hyped!

[@adeleetherton2665]

Nice hair cut and beard trim... just so you know, people do notice :)

[@margowsky]

This video was my favorite video of 2019. I've bookmarked it and kept it because I believed it was most likely true. And here we are, not even a year later and now we KNOW that if people stayed home more it would help the earth. The smog in L.A. cleared up, dolphins and jelly fish are swimming in the Venice canals once again, etc... Anyway, I'm writing to say that this was your best video and you're correct.

[@SomeDudeQC]

Yay! You took my suggestion!

[@StanislavMakarenko]

Love you guys! Ubiased yet informative (with links in description to dig for more)!

[@BearsThatCare]

Would love to hear what Casey thinks about all this

[@gwenhauwuk]

Casey recently gave a talk on the show 'Patriot Act' and he said he's been reconsidering his mantra to doing less.

[@jpm199]

He's probably not thinking much at all

[@TravellingBeard]

@@gwenhauwuk Thank you for letting me know, makes Casey Neistat likable again! :-)

[@ghostnoodle9721]

@@TravellingBeard People say alot of things, they do about 1% of that

[@stevensong6909]

Imagine an economy revolved around happiness and human quality of life.

[@nonegiven2830]

I don't understand, how do people profit from that?

[@ConqeuringLion]

Nope, don’t think I can

[@iforgetedmynameagain]

Thank you for your videos Lou!!

[@dcb818]

Thanks Lou, good job. Contentment and compassion...we need more.

[@hermanpierrot]

This is so good 👌🏻

[@ConnorDear]

Someone talking about techno-optimism outside of a university classroom? 💯😁 Loved the piece!

[@SoTexDesign]

Oh my god, every single word is just gold.

[@troypropes1182]

Why have I been thinking this for a while and now it's in a video. This ties into what Enlightenment really is. It's ok to have goals and aspirations but we should re-think what "success" really is.

[@4745ben]

Does the de-growth movement’s idea of “do less” really mean that government would “do more” and be more involved in the economy?

[@walkinmn]

No, we wouldn't actually need more government, but what would change is the policies

[@alecubudulecu]

What you saying sounds like the communism I grew up in Romania. We worked on average 3 hours a day. We went to work at 11 am. Had a 3 hour lunch and 6 months paid vacation.

[@aurimasb1732]

Skyscrapers farms, Thorium/Nuclear reactors, and more tree saplings on farm land and buildings.

[@Azknowledgethirsty]

there is no way we could produce less and maintain a healthy middle class, the world is still half poor and a lot of people still need to arise from poverty, the only way to do this is by producing more wealth. You know how much wealth we'd have if we distributed everything equally? 14000$, that's really low if we want a world with a 100% middle class where poverty is erradicqated we must grow! We have to find alternatives because obviously the way we produce things now is horrible for the planet but with vertical farming that needs 95% less soil, lab meat that it's 90% efficient against 10% efficiency in natural animals and with new renewable and fusion technologies we can grow a lot without damaging the planet also the only reason that has been keeping the global population from exploding is wealth, if we degrew, fertility rates would soar and the global population would become unsustainable

[@blackforestfpv3046]

great video! good aspects & ideas

[@GreenBoiler]

Please oh Please do a video on Austrian Economics vs Keynesian Economics ...... 🙏 So many of your videos keep brushing around the 'root' causes of many of these issues.....

[@davidramsayiv]

I've been doing this for years. I use my extra time to juggle and perform for kids and even adults. i tend to take up hobbies that make me a little money, rather then spend money. Diversify your work portfolio. juggler, maintains man, and house painter.

[@DanielGinja]

Great video man

[@gnothseed8135]

Im happy to see you again :)

[@moesifasdasd4151]

One thing that really needs to be addressed by governments is the verifiable planned obsolescence that is being done by most large companies. They have set up a culture where we must dispose of our old things for newer models for a much shorter life span than before which wastes a vast amount of resources

[@popcornisfromcorn]

Great video!

[@_guyfieri]

thanks lou. you gave this the most honest and thoughtful approach that a capitalist could, and i respect that. i think people like myself on the left still need to hear criticisms like yours to come to a fully realized conclusion.

[@SmallAxeTalks]

Nice one lou!

[@Airjew666]

You know, I wasn't even sure about the video to begin with - not the title anyways That is until I decided to listen on and to my surprise, found myself agreeing as with each of these viewpoints. Subbed because this is a good channel. I have said for years (after watching A Beautiful Mind on LSD lmao) that if we all just look out for each other's best interests instead of only ours, then literally everyone in the world would be better off. I feel like the message the video portrays is somewhat aligned with my thinking now in the sense that unless we all change as one, we all go down as one [species] The only issue with all this being that everyone wants more and/or wants better. Even myself, with this mindset, wants more and better. Until we squash peoples ambitions and dreams-my own included- this 'system' won't work. We just need to roll with the punches as a species and get the heII off this planet and begin colonizing others. Just my thoughts put into a KZbin comment though lol. Curious to see if other think the same though 🤔

[@scottttocsalot10]

I've been think a lot about this of recently. Global warming and pollution can be fixed by using solar panels and recycling, but reducing how much we consume as a culture is going to be a big step towards healing our planet

[@bodhixxx1]

solar panels are great for the roof of your house but a solar farm takes up way too much land for the power they produce. Plastic is the worst thing on our planet that needs to be scaled back big time.

[@evolutionofmaggie]

I seriously was just wondering about inaction as a positive climate change action. That is, for people like me, living in the United States, talking about living simply that others may simply live does tend to collide with a need for basic rent money. But most people get money in their eyes when it comes to earning. There always is one more thing you might want, and it is hard to discern between wants and needs. There is a huge lack of sustainability here. Anyway, I really like your thoughts on a degrowth society. Good coverage.

[@Maineliven]

Lol this is nuts and would never happen... The entire history of humanity has been people trying to do better... Thia would simply result in War and death...

[@theblckpool]

Very cool!

[@marsixm]

this is what george monbiot said on frankie boyle's new world order a couple months ago, we need this message to spread further, thank you lou & beme which i refuse to pronounce as beam

[@bob15479]

GDP growth need not be synonymous with consumption of physical goods. Let us choose through behavior and regulation to spend our wealth in other ways.

[@withelisa]

I agree. Less stuff, more experiences. We could value art, music, performances of many kinds. We could monetize memes 😄

[@walkinmn]

That would still mean a change on many things, mainly marketing because that's what dictates the way people consume, along with how things are packaged and released to the public.

[@bob15479]

@@walkinmn You don't have to do that. You simply cap resource consumption at the source and supply and demand will determine how people spend their time and money. Think hunting tags.

[@fernikolic]

Measuring productivity by GDP is unfortunately a fallacy.

[@belmundoable]

Simply the presence of humanity on this planet ruining it, no matter what you do or don't.

[@krsp420]

Yeah. The end bout sums everything I've been thinking about recently. Thanks for speaking so candidly, as I'm sure the cognitive dissonance in many folks will only let them balk at the ideas presented.

[@Prawn47]

I 100% support de-growth

[@justinsetting6564]

But most of us still pay for the growth and death of billions of animals unnecessarily.

[@Prawn47]

@@justinsetting6564 Agreed, veganism is the future :)

[@ZachariasMalmberg]

Great stuff Lou, keep it up!

[@flamepan]

Does anyone else hear the audio being off? Just sounds weird

[@pawelkapica5363]

We need to spread this message more. But ultimately it will come down to whether the human animal can overcome it's most basic nature and truly become rational. I think Robert Greene makes a strong point of this in his new book "The Laws of Human Nature." According to him, and I totally agree, we deceive ourselves by thinking we are rational and have overcome our nature, making ourselves blind to the subconscious forces that drive our behavior every day. Psychologists like Carl Jung and Jordan Peterson recognized this trend in modern society very clearly.

[@geoffrygifari4179]

i think the improvements in our environment's condition should be broadcasted to the masses, if degrowth is to proceed..... giving away wealth would be easier if it is replaced with something better

[@dexterdugarjr.3217]

You know, I use many of these as inspiration for any transportation plan I think of. What kind of neighborhood/city/world so we want 20+ years from now? And how can transportation be the catalyst for us to get there? Good work once again!

[@fauxmanchu8094]

Fantastic channel. I wonder how citizens can influence the entrenched ruling class to work for the betterment of everyone, and address the pressing issue of climate emergency.

[@Lumencraft-]

Mr. Sneaky rolling off to the other side of the desk Lou :)

[@LouisFoglia]

there was a wiring issue that prevented the usual roll...good catch

[@InhumanRYLO]

At 5:05 a high pitch tinkle panning left and right is playing. Maybe the person doing the mix isn’t as sensitive, but I can hear it and it’s bothering me a bit. Idk, just how I feel about it , maybe no one else feels the same.

[@APVHD]

This is why I sub

[@kuplayfordvalls6781]

I couldn’t agree more with this video! Sadly it is quite unlekely to for this change to happen...

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

I don't think this can start with government policy. It would have to start with a cultural shift where we no longer judge ourselves and others by wealth.

[@MechanicWolf85]

Green energy is a good solution the problem is that we consume far more then the green energy can generate, and the problem is that green energy is far more efficient in the day, where the energy we consume is less and less effective during the night where we consume more Is a dilemma that scientist are trying to solve, but I don't think it have a simple solution

[@webbugt]

it's a multi-faceted issue which will require massive change either way. Be it sweeping legislation to curb mass production pollution (world wide) or degrowth. Both are extremely unlikely and that's why I'm depressed and worried.

[@ferencgazdag1406]

Green energy is garbage, should go THORIUM.

[@MishaFlower]

@James Nicholl That's already the case. It's not a revolutionary invention, We already regulate work hours to the morning, We did that since 19 century. Only the service industry works at night, Factories pretty operate exclusively in the morning.

[@MishaFlower]

@James Nicholl No, The day is when the people are busy working, The afternoon and the night is when people are free, Hence why service industry operates longer hours. Bars, Restaurants, Clubs, Retail, Supermarkets, Private hospitals, Hotels, Commercial Transport, All of which operate late hours and much more. Perhaps you're right, I was thinking of more in terms of traditional factories, who own the land they operate on, Not the ones that are rented. In a traditional factory like the one I work in, It doesn't operate overnight, I don't know why, I am guessing it's because there aren't as many people willing to work overnight for the same wage.

[@simplehuman487]

08:25 oh they definitely hit it

[@Mattstiless]

Legalize all hemp :)

[@Tubekeny1]

Taxation and Tech will save us. Tax is and can be used to promote doing less. The difficult bit is balancing the level of tax against unintended consequences. Petrol ('gas' in the USA) is the classic example. As tax increases car use goes down but product costs can go up as distribution costs go up too.

[@thomasthaler8568]

totally agree with you. Always been concerned about that topic.

[@smokinace926]

A big problem is the rest of the world’s efforts to live like Americans. Trust me people, don’t... 1. We over-consume everything 2. We have shitty public transportation 3. We secretly want to control the world 4. Money matters more than family 5. Celebrities matter more than family 6. Everyone wants to be a rapper 7. Everyone wants to be an actor 8. Everyone wants to be an athlete 9. Everyone wants to be an influencer 10. Insurance companies 11. Hospital bills 13. Half drives like they’re in F1 14. Half drives like they’re walking 15. We have Racism 16. We have Clout chasers 17. We have PC Movements 18. We have Trump 19. We have Debt 20. We have Systematic Debt 21. We have Hypocrites Lastly, we’re descendants of immigrants and slaves who hates immigrants and descendants of slaves. But despite all that, I’d honestly rather stay here than anywhere else. That’s how f***** up we are...

[@Kingoftheironfist656]

And finally people here gather resources and get fatter or dumber that is a personal decision. They could be enriching their lives, reading more, and eating cleaner with less soy. If they are not that is their choice, but do not blame or hold the intellegent accountable for the deeds of the sheep

[@naufrage0]

Nice!

[@giantgii]

what do we do about those who aim to be in control?

[@NoraphonKaedklung]

Totally agreed.

[@jeffjohnson5605]

What's wrong with capping income at a few hundred million? Too many people grinding full time to live in stress and hunger and mercy on the many who cant physically or mentally keep up or feel ok in this game.

[@MrThonny15]

This is a really interesting topic. We just had an election for parliament in Denmark (a typically "socialist" country) and I wish this would have been a subject of discussion. However, instead we focused on growth, immigration and kindergartens.

[@BlackElf94]

If we were to just replace more physical purchases with digital ones we could reduce our carbon footprint and real resource usage while maintaining GDP growth. Instead of having a 5000 square foot house you could live in an efficiency apartment and have a mansion or giant battleship in a shared virtual world.

[@billywheeler5235]

Lou gives me faith in humanity

[@michaelhunt2222]

Changing tax so it takes 1% of all the money everyone owns, this may need further infrastructure to make an online currency accessible by everyone. Also do this every year/month/day...

[@Acsion42]

This is the kind of defeatist policy you get when you fail to acknowledge the core of the problem. It is possible to sustain infinite growth given the great bounty of the universe around us, the problem right now is that our entire global output is being inefficiently directed towards the production of capital. That is literally what the whole world is trying to do, more than anything else. But capital doesn't actually do anything by itself, It needs to be placed in the hands of the right people at the right time be an agent for growth. Unfortunately, while the pursuit of profit can be helpful, profit for profits sake is self-defeating. Modern corporations and governments are doing just that, making money just to make more money. That system inevitably leads to the concentration of wealth in a handful of individuals, and eventually the decay of governance as capital stagnates and stops being used for productive means, as we have seen many times before in history.

[@elliottmiller3282]

GDP is not necessarily consumption of resources. If you want a way of avoiding this, then price in economic benefits.

[@3rkid]

I'm on board

[@evanpark4559]

can you guys upload this as a podcast???

[@doug5441]

4:45 OK, THAT explains a lot. Most liberals say that it's a zero-sum game. Conservatives say that the game is expanding. Guess what? They're both right. 7:44 While he's talking about income, and not wealth here, I am reminded of the limitations of wealth in many Zelda games, where in most games, the most you can ever carry in cash is about 999 Rupees. 8:21 That last one...without the need for mass consumption, there could be more of it, since economic standards for mates would drop significantly in this new world. Hey, even staying married might be popular again!

[@JS44444]

Humanity first movement!! #Yang2020

[@philipganchev2306]

Socialism (some forms) is the only politico-economic model compatible with de-growth, social justice, saving ecology, and human civilization. Venezuela and others are unjustly criticized, because they are under tremendous capitalist pressure, both from within and geopolitically. So they do not demonstrate the broader principles discussed here.

[@JOnTHeMOnSoon]

Finally somebody who fn gets it 💪

[@kbs1212]

JOnTHeMOnSoon I feel the same way!

[@adamberry6637]

That was... a really good video

[@Bliggity]

I have zero faith that the human race will be able to do this especially Americans. It is going to take some great disaster some sort of pain to get any significant change.

[@chicagolongboarder]

Oh no!! We're gonna become vuvuzela!!!!

[@dashdash_peacecampaign]

Love your videos! Can do a video on cap and trade, and why environmental groups can't agree and still fighting each other rather than fighting carbon pollution

[@officialDragonMap]

Not every type of consumption is material-based consumption. We can sustain a fairly free market while supporting material-free consumption. Like the social framing in market socialism we need a similar thing towards ecology.

[@zbeer570]

While many points in the video makes sense, it suffers from the “one step solution” problem, that following one solution will “magically” fix every problem that exists in society. It seems overly simplistic and utopian in nature. While many aspects of de-growth are intelligent and make sense, it’s hard to believe that it’ll fix everything. I think your conclusion made a salient point, that contemporary consumer culture needs to change. But I am just so so doubtful of the clear magical thinking these academics have. It smells of being a secular religion, down to the “more music, better sex”. Call me a radical moderate, but I just don’t believe in these pie in the sky solutions to big problems, even if things desperately need to change.

[@LouisFoglia]

I hear you. The degrowth movement still seems to be sorting out what exactly it stands for....But I think the underlying ideas are provocative and important.

[@narayanrithwik]

It is also hypocritical coming from the developed world. I mean you guys, especially americans, produce and consume much of the worlds waste and energy per capita respectively. It is also as humans we would always go for convenience over cost. There is also the conundrum of complete faith in the system of doing this. But this is against the very nature of humans and perhaps all organisms that is of growth .