The Dortmund Cycle 🔁

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[@kumiitoo]

As a dortmund fan it hurts to see but its true and its better than being broke and in dept like we used to be

[@dorasuncle2717]

Must hurt cause you can't even get attachment to a player without thinking about them leaving

[@lesfantasyworld]

Heja BVB durch gute sowie schlechte Zeiten mein Beileid das du auch Fan bist 🖤💛🖤💛 schwarzgelbe Grüße

[@luiscarrillo5954]

it probably hurts more to see players like bellingham and haaland and assume they will leave after their breakout season

[@kumiitoo]

@@dorasuncle2717 well you can it depends on the player i couldnt care less about dembele but everbody loved bellingham and we knew that he was going to leave If you play for the badge and love the fans and the club You get loved in return simple as that But there's not going to be a next reus for some time i'm afraid Maybe brandt if he sticks with us till he retires haha

[@kumiitoo]

@@luiscarrillo5954 well sancho hurted way more than both of them and haaland was like a mercenary for us imo The longer they're here the more it hurts so it wasnt that bad for those two especially haaland And in bellingham's case it hurts to see that somebody who loved the club is going to leave and the hole his departure tore is hugee

[@ItsJesssee]

Tbh it’s a good strategy from Dortmund cause it’s makes them financially stable for years and years but it’s one of the reasons why they don’t win the Bundesliga

[@donleonard4446]

The cycle can’t last forever though bc one team can and will jump them

[@theberserker_of_falconia]

One horse league

[@EduardoScobar]

It’s good to be stable, but they will never reach glory by being stable. Or at least they should go out of their comfort zone.

[@meganoob12]

@@EduardoScobar you have to be stable and get a good amount of finances to compete with the big teams. Dortmund is at least 15 Years behind Bayern in terms of finances. Bundesliga isn‘t oil money infested PL where every club just get‘s injected with an unhealthy amount of money without any risk In Bundesliga you actually have to work for the money you plan to spend

[@Mrbe.ast6000]

​@@donleonard4446RB Leipzig will probably surpass them soon

[@joseneto4087]

As a Benfica fan I can asure you that the cycle doesn't only exists in Dortmund

[@cobaltskyee]

U guys atleast win the league lol

[@emanuel6768]

And brighton

[@habbo72379]

@@emanuel6768Brighton literally only done it for a season and no Way near the title race

[@emanuel6768]

@Blacknig69 true but for the premier league yes they are the farmers

[@syox3667]

@@cobaltskyee Bruh I mean no offense but Porto and Sporting arent really on the same level as Bayern Munich.

[@johnbenedictthan755]

Dortmund losing the title this season was the worst ways to bottle a league

[@AnnaSue81]

dortmund bottle>arsenal bottle (in terms of bottling)

[@redchampion]

Yeah but I'm proud of them to even get up there. After being 6th in winter we should have never been there

[@sheesh6471]

That pen miss stings☹️

[@tonijelecevic9238]

Own fault

[@wateo1782]

But they weren't even leading it like Arsenal did for more than half a season.

[@LuBRe06]

Meanwhile Reus being there the entire time 😢

[@anikt.026]

Marco Reus has seen so much unfold in front of his own eyes 😂😂😂

[@blues9561]

Funny thing is if not for injuries,he’d have been sold as well

[@jayer.]

​@@blues9561No he wouldn't. Many clubs were after Reus but it's not that Dortmund did not wanted him to leave, Reus didn't. He already said that he always dreamed about playing for Dortmund since he was a child because it's his favourite club.

[@BeforeThisNovember]

@@jayer.many players have said that

[@PrinzVegeta1]

​​​@@blues9561nope, He could have gone to munich instead of BVB but He wanted to Go there from Gladbach and stay here Till now. At least one Player who want To Play/stayfor his childhood club. But without injuries he would be one of the best Players of the world without a doubt

[@xerophyte2004]

So basically Dortmund is an academy for most of european clubs where youth development is an objective ☕

[@mikail1999]

You can say the same for Benfica too

[@Ochoa685]

@@mikail1999And Ajax

[@t-vizzle]

Dortmund is there to make people believe that Bayern have some competition

[@zorrow_]

@@t-vizzletruest thing ive heard

[@gargoyle1105]

It’s pretty sad. Bundesliga and the Serie A are prime examples of this Despite preforming just as good they don’t have as much money as LaLiga and the EPL. So if clubs come looking for their superstars, not much they can do but try and convince their players to stay. Even worse? If they end up flopping it’s the player’s fault

[@Full4Fitness]

When talented kids start playing regularly their value skyrockets. It's their club model.

[@Maximillian_04]

Marco Reus is probably the most loyal footballer in German soccer history since he would've played in a lot of other good teams aside from injury

[@KurtKind]

Hector left chat

[@Destructiveisback]

Muller

[@fabianhauser708]

​@@Destructiveisback Well, it's easy to stay loyal when you are already at one of Europes top clubs. Not much reason to leave if you don't have to 😃

[@ismingo4264]

⁠Its easy when Its a top tier club, but Reus did it for a pretty underwhelming club

[@domnickamatya3826]

That's why klopp deserves massive respect for what he did at dortmund. 👏

[@_-4232]

Reus is a real one he’s stuck with Dortmund his whole career, legend.

[@Hymn_]

literally. he only went to monchengladbach because he had no choice, but after his great performance there he rejected bayern and rm just to wait for dortmund's offer.

[@xx_4ntonio_xx40]

Thank goodness for players like Marco Reus he’s single handedly been the heart of BVB

[@jackchat]

A brutal cycle! Don’t know how the fans handle it

[@lordpazo6784]

Just gotta take a lot of copium.

[@crisomii]

I guess if you know that’s the plan you just stop getting attached to players since you know they will leave at some point

[@lordpazo6784]

@@crisomii i enjoy every moment i get with them tbh. And when they make it big ive got a smile knowing that bvb helped them achieve greatness

[@crisomii]

@@lordpazo6784 does it ever get to a point where it’s like “when are we gonna try to push to win titles”?

[@lordpazo6784]

@@crisomii it does brother. But we are the tottenham of germany. Its still better then being poor and in debt like in 2005

[@thejfoshow1320]

Klopp the only guy to break this for over a decade

[@riquelmeone]

?

[@GentrifiedDumpsterBaby]

Benfica, Dortmund, Leipzig, Salzburg.. the list goes on. These clubs thrive off producing young talent and moving them on. It's pretty insane that Dortmund reached the final of the ucl last season. Fair play to them. I just wish they could be a juggernaut in Germany like they deserve to be.

[@FunGamesfr]

I think the next time Dortmund wins the league, this cycle will end. I feel like they are retaining their stars better. Disregarding Haaland and Bellingham of course.

[@kokokouyoumijian]

Bellingham transfer was worth it .

[@caseydouglas412]

At the end of the day Dortmund can do everything they can but if the player themselves want to leave they can’t stop that from happening. At the end of the day there are bigger clubs in Europe than Dortmund. Unlike football of the past ,where players were more loyal,players now have the power and pull to go to any club of their desires once they are good. If the player doesn’t want to stay at the club there’s virtually nothing the club can do. It happens and it sucks. I’ve been a Lyon supporter for years and every year our best players get sold. Even youth academy players. Just a constant cycle

[@kokokouyoumijian]

@@caseydouglas412 they have financial issues . Due to France's TV rights .

[@sportingdirector1]

So many great players came through Dortmund: Sancho, Haaland, Isak, Lewandowski, Weigl, Dahoud, Bellingham, Mkhitaryan, Hummels, Gotze, Kagawa, Sven Bender, Aubameyang, Pulisic, Gundogan, Dembele, Witsel

[@lekonai]

i still remember the day i watched the mainz game. heartbreak like never before. i knew we were going to bottle it, but smth said "not this year" back and forth

[@Bruh-wm7ci]

haller mussed the fkin pen HOW COULD HE😭😭😭😭

[@barschausdernachbarschaft1581]

@@Bruh-wm7ciit happens. If haller didn’t recover that fast we couldn’t even come close to this title race. It is upsetting but we have to accept it. This coming season we can make it

[@yi-zp2pq]

@@barschausdernachbarschaft1581nah you just won 1-0 lucky Bayern dominated Leipzig are contenders and better than you rn

[@edowell1769]

i feel like this is a problem not talked about enough in modern football. teams like dortmund benfica or ajax just can’t compete with the wealthier clubs. their best players always go to the same clubs, either a top 6 side in england or madrid barca bayern or psg

[@SpaceShibaProductionsSSP]

Can't forget about Giovanni reyna

[@Dragon_master1178]

You could feel the sadness in his voice😢

[@mipqn223]

thats the problem with clubs that dont have endless money they cant break the cycle. leicester city is a great example. they have great recruitment and such amazing recruitment that they won the league yet even they couldn't continue this without endless streams of money coming in, one small or big thing can topple everything that has been built (e.g. Covid for leicester)

[@EduardoScobar]

But they have being making money for a while. Like they should be capable of surviving and at the same time compite. Like they sell so well they should invest their money well to compite, but they always do it to sell again which honestly is boring. Milan is doing something similar and other clubs as well.

[@spinyslasher6586]

Leicester's fault was due to an overconfidence in the finances of its owners. They spent a ton of money building a new training ground and signing expensive players, but COVID-19 caused their owners to face massive losses (since the primary business of the owners was in duty-free shops in airports), which in turn caused the club's finances and transfers to grind to a halt. Leicester will come back again for sure after they get promoted.

[@dualify]

gotta join dortmund now 😂

[@florakellebkuchen5747]

Bro Dortmund has developed a lot player that are now considered top of the world, thats impressive!

[@hamburg303]

In a few years, Borussia Dortmund will be able to retain their players and win more titles. The history of their success is still relatively young at Dortmund.

[@njdcd950003]

All good. I think Kehl is moving away from that strategy a bit and selling players for more than you bought them is the nature of the business. But I do think they’re getting closer to young players playing for 5 years in the BVB shirt as opposed to 3. And instead of 17-19 year old sure things the recruitment seems to be focusing on 20-22 year olds who haven’t quite kicked on 100% yet but have the upside to reach their potential. Im cautiously optimistic that BVB will become a better football team in the near future, albeit not as exciting. I’m ok with that.

[@knowledgpedia5927]

But reus showing his loyalty 😢

[@Podobed]

I'm a big fan of Dortmund (3rd favorite club) and how they develop young talent. Them, Ajax, Feyendord, Stades, Porto. .. they are great at development. Its a triumph already, having made the finals. They just cant afford to hold talent when bigger clubs call.

[@CR33DPlays]

Bynoe-Gittens is a baller. Needs much more game time

[@redchampion]

He's good but not starting level yet

[@CR33DPlays]

@@redchampion maybe next year

[@redchampion]

@@CR33DPlays maybe

[@Kamaulh]

Rues is a true legend

[@einstein-hb8st]

Thats just their strategy. Same as Ajax. It just makes it hard to compete against Bayern, but they showed this year that it could be possible.

[@lucyboy8276]

I'm starting to think that this "Dortmund Cycle" is their Business model actually.

[@allerielinston8516]

Damn, if this keeps on, they may become the German equivalent of Ajax, Benfica, etc. a fallen king reduced to nothing but academy club

[@t-boi8327]

they already are like that

[@kohikappu]

It already happens.

[@benjamillan922]

That’s what happens when you have a business plan and execute it to perfection

[@EduardoScobar]

It’s great. But at least try to compete for titles.

[@Noahblitz378]

they are the best starter club for future stars like sancho gundoan lewandowski bellingham and pullisic

[@noetakeuchi8284]

That's the same for a lot of not so big not so little clubs. Like Monaco, LOSC, OL in L1.

[@jakob_752]

This Happens to every Club wich is good, but Not in the top class(Like Bayern, Barca, big 6)

[@Adityamehu]

Dortmund is nothing but a Scouting Academy for the whole UEFA. 😂

[@xmarik1987]

and still over in the last 12 years 11 years part of the Champions League, won some titles, even if its "just" the Cup, reached a CL-Final. I guess a lot of clubs would exchange their situation with the BVB-Circle.

[@NDY666]

Dortmund is just a talent seller.

[@AhmedBabikir6969]

Dortmund is a youth centre they grow players then sell them Saudi Arabia is the opposite tho they are a retirement home for footballers

[@eavyeavy2864]

Aged badly 😂

[@AhmedBabikir6969]

dam@@eavyeavy2864

[@triforce_xiii]

honestly, i wish we can sell karim and donnie for lots of money. they are talented, yet not consistent enough. naming them in one sentence with jude or jadon is a joke, tbh.

[@erkohg]

I just watched dortmund moving up to the ucl final and this video popped up

[@nik2k13]

They've got one of the best business plans in football.

[@bornindissonance6312]

They sell their best players and still compete in the Bundesliga and Champions League which I think is impressive. As a die-hard Dortmund fan, I feel that the cycle will be over soon, and they'll finally cement their spot as a European giant in the next decade or two.

[@jayer.]

Lewandowski started that cylce. Instead of keeping good players that don't want a new contract and then letting them go for free they sell them for 60m+ Euros to other clubs and buy 3 more talents for that money who will also be sold for 60m+ Euros. The thing in the Bundesliga is that Bayern have endless money due to their excellent marketing presence, their image and of course Uli Hoeneß. The way Dortmund does it is the only way that any Bundesliga club will eventually catch up to the Bayerns level. They won't be an academy club forever, but it is currently the best way to bridge this gap.

[@xplurales1138]

They let Lewy leave because they thought they didn't need him. In the end they lost the with lewy and the league title forever - dortmund started that cycle themselfs, not Lewy.

[@RandyMahnke]

​​@@xplurales1138hat's bullshit they didn't think they don't need him. Where did you get that nonsense from? He refused to sign a contract extension so bayern could get him on free, bvb wanted him to stay. Don't spread fake news

[@K4n0k]

its bad for Dortmund but I applaud every AJAX/ benfica fans cause i swear they have a completley new squad every 2/3 years

[@Phantazmay]

Dortmund, Benfica, Ajax. Top 3 scouting promising players.

[@handlemchandleton3255]

As a manchester united fan i wish they wouldve kept a hold of kagawa really gutting to see how his club career turned out after playing for us

[@vincentvonk2660]

We have to sell them for a big fee before we lose them on a free, because they almost never extend their contract after its up, and some players like Dembele an Auba force a move by their behavior

[@danielshaffer2609]

This makes them one of the most interesting clubs in the world, not a bad thing.

[@ccink3931]

Idk why so many players turn down the opportunity to play there... Ive been to plenty of stadiums from different clubs & different leagues but Dortmund is just different & the support is just so insane i dont see how they cant hold onto guys

[@Edu23u]

Unfortunately that's also the case in Liga Portugal, with Sporting, Benfica and Porto selling all their best players but then still don't buy good players 😶🇵🇹

[@almagum]

It's choice of players rather earn more money than staying in the team like Reus. Real loyalty is just shown by a few, like Lahm who always stayed in Munich, given the chance to play with Messi or in Madrid. So pity, if you think a few millions should be already enough money.

[@N00000OOOOBY]

Same can be said for Brighton and Benfica

[@TheOnlyRealTopGW-ot2gg]

Dortmund like shit we losing all these players but shit now we rich ass fuck

[@camilodiaz3653]

Same happens with Benfica and Sometimes Porto

[@muhammadryanelyeddari8631]

If Dortmund didn't sell their best players as much they'd probably be a top 5 club.

[@NR-fd9wv]

this happens to all clubs that have great scouting, but lack the financil resources to keep up with the elite tams in europe. the good thing about it is that talented players are more likely to sign with such clubs because it is an opportunity to improve, get time on the field and go to an elite club as a future star. if you go to a big club ti early you will just sit on the bench, if you go to a smaller club you're not playing CL and get less attention

[@andretv4702]

You don‘t understand the consepet of dortmund transferpolitiks. This Circle is to bring in good talents who needs to Make the next step Dortmund is exactly This Club and for example benfica Same Thing Buy cheap and sell big And Dortmund is a joint-stock company Hype brings More Money

[@Sa_004]

Because dortmund doesn't have a lot of money It's impossible to hold these players. Espacially because loyalty isn't a thing for football players anymore

[@Jake-ky6sx]

Adeyemi is one of my favourite players I hope he gets a big transfer where he will play regularly

[@danielostrom566]

At least we know how to actually develop talent unlike the big euro clubs

[@JM-qe1tx]

But they are also able to keep them for some years and get something from them. Gundo won the league and 2 german cups, Jude alsmot helped them win the league, Lewandowski also won them the league and reached the UCL final. So, it isn't so much like Benfica, who sell youngster still to trove themselves, unlike BVB who sells stars, like Auba, Gundo, Gotze, etc

[@charliedyer88]

Basically it’s either make a crap load of money on stars for the future or keep them and potentially lose money on having them long term and potentially coming top 4 rather than first. They probably make a good amount of money if young stars that come in for a few seasons people buy their shirts and then when they leave the cycle continues.

[@jesusjustiniano9712]

If this team is able to hold his talent they could have won Champions league and dominate the world of football, but their main goal is to make profit from their young talents. I am sure they probable have the best scouts out there.

[@vijaysinh11]

Same thing was with arsenal Untill 2018

[@emilerhard4189]

Very sad great youngsters

[@dominique.gonzalez622]

MARCO REUS is the most loyal to borussia dortmund

[@griffiom1]

It’s a business model and they’re not the only ones. Crewe, dortmund, Ajax…it’s not unique. Even Chelsea did it by buying up a lot of younger players

[@sualaharuna-ih9vw]

This man needs to hit K likes and a million subscribers 🫶 he’s just fantastic

[@rodrigossgardelis7384]

It’s almost like good players want to play for top clubs and get paid good money.

[@Humblepaella]

11 months after this video: ucl final😂

[@oldfrend]

their best player now is gio reyna. if he can stay healthy he'll be the next transfer out.

[@Averifiedperson7712]

Now ucl finalists.

[@MHplayz5799]

And one man standup MARCO REUS

[@Matt_DC]

Nothing more frustrating than being a BVB fan

[@Hymn_]

spurs fan: 💀

[@alexanderfossbrnd8287]

Yes, this is true

[@aliabdelaziz905]

If I were a young prospect and I had a choice where to go it would 100% be the dortmound youth program

[@GodOfCulture]

I may be a Bayern Fan wince 13 Years but my Sister is a Dortmund Fan I refused to celebrate when we won the League last Season by Musiala, cause of her

[@loganhill6601]

This is why Terzic got fired he didnt play the young players and most lost a ton of value. Between Adeyemi, Moukoko, Reyna they lost about $70 million in value along with others with less value. Reyna went from $45 mil to $15 mil, Adeyemi $40 mil to $20 mil, Moukoko $40 mil to $18 mil

[@jxythadxn3827]

Sancho is there star now fr

[@Kaal_Gr8]

Bynoe-Gittens, will defo leave in the future he's just too good

[@orchgd]

Nah Kobel will be

[@SamuelHartner]

and guerrero too 😢

[@ScootsMcDootson]

You've just described every club in Europe apart from 4 or 5.

[@GamecraftplayzFC]

Akanji left the chat

[@adrianwamp1890]

As an Ajax fan, I can also see the cycle here 😭

[@alejandrog2k88]

Who remembers nuri sahin!!

[@myshieldmysword]

Yes. This is true. But. BvB! Were dynamite! BvB!

[@jessevarela]

You forgot to mention that half of them return once they're old. 😂

[@Hymn_]

hummels is a funny case. he was a bayern academy player, got promoted, loaned to dortmund then they signed him, went to bayern, and came back to dortmund.

[@HelmHammerhand1709]

Premier Leauge money destroys leauges like the Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and the portugal. They are spending so much money like the Other top 5 together.

[@gamingandmusicwithfusion9030]

WE ARE BREAKING THE CYCLE THIS SEASON HEJA BVB 💛🖤💛💛🖤💛🖤💛🖤💛🖤💛

[@TooVoidremyboys]

Dortmund needs to retain players

[@Truebro79]

Adayemi, Moukoko and Malen will 100% be swooped up in a few years

[@tripleO16]

At some point clubs like Dortmund, ajad, benefica, etc will have enough money to retain their players. At whiwmch point I think we will see a shift in European football power ⚖️

[@alvmusic4402]

Not the only club that suffers this. Arsenal and Ajax are also prime examples.

[@haanis5458]

But no other club suffers this much, i guarantee it

[@dkallday4]

ajax suffers the losing of top players, and arsenal suffers losing the league every year. put together they are kind of like dortmund in a way

[@joboi7534]

Your forgetting gio Reyna as well

[@phacol12]

Its de history of the Dortmund 😅

[@michaelholmes1919]

I guess bottling the league when Bayern was literally begging BVB to take it, and consistently underperforming against relegation sides when it matters most is better than going bankrupt.... Gotta take the good with the bad. I'll keep supporting.