The Double Symbolism of St. Peter: Shepherd and Satan

[@JonathanPageau]

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[@Stupidityindex]

The Jew God is defeated forever by having the King failing to come back. Jesus Christ is a joke because the Romans defeated them.

[@jahcreate11]

Also why light kills them or burns them rather since they are already dead. Light eviscerates darkness

[@mattmackmack9173]

Thank you SO MUCH Jonathan. As a Byzantine Catholic living in the US, I found this to be a mind blowing and lucid explanation of not only what's going on currently in the Roman Church but throughout its history. You helped me make sense of what is otherwise a demoralizing situation. I;'m a subscriber and I cannot say enough in how much you help me understand and appreciate the unseen realm and symbolic world☦☦☦

[@christophmahler]

Haven't watched the video, yet - but I have noticed another symbolic pattern in iconography which is *the key* in Saint Peters hand - which had been held by the Hellenistic, leontocephaline Mithraic 'Aion' before Christianization. The interpretation of the Mithraic statue fluctuates between Persian Avestan 'Uncreated Time'/Cosmic Eternity ('Zurvan'), reminiscent of a pre-Bronze Age Collapse Chronos/Saturn as the outermost celestial sphere, and Ahriman as an antagonistic spirit, bound to secular matter. A curiosity is the legalism of the medieval, 'Faustian' Mephistopheles - the fixation on written contracts or 'pacts' in contrast to informal friendship. Apart from the Bishop of Rome, a structural continuity through the Dark Age into the Renaissance is _Roman Law_ which offers the illusion of order and justice, but also comes with the rhetoric of lawyers, manipulation of public opinions by public speeches and obscurantist bending of the spirit of laws... *anomie* - a central issue in the decline of Western, Transatlantic civilization.

[@christophmahler]

@@Stupidityindex "Jesus Christ is a joke because the Romans defeated them." The joke is on You as Your 'Rome' is currently collapsing.

[@paolafr.9753]

As a convinced Catholic who lives in Rome and works often in the Vatican i thank you for this wonderful wonderful exegesis. This reflects my lived experience with the weirdness madness and heresy within the corridors of the real and global power here, where somehow regardless, the Holy Spirit still acts and affects stunning victories for The Kingdom, as Dr Pagenau says, in spite of the prelates of Peter. Strangely enough, after your faith hope and charity are stunned and stymied here and you fear losing your faith, somehow you end up believing more certainly as a result of watching the goodness of God in spite of the machinations of man. Often I have thought about the fact that Old St Peter’s had a massive mosaic by Giotto on its facade (now lost except two angels extranet) of Peter sinking as he tries to walk on water being saved by Christ’s outstretched hand and how this accurately shows the humility needed in any Pope. (Incidentally this fresco is most certainly recorded by Raphael/Giulio Romano in the main sala where the Pope convenes). Your analysis completes this sense and explains even better the underlying structure of the continually falling/stumbling/denying nature of Papal doctrinal primacy and ironically underlies Peters fallibility acknowledged even in the declaration of Papal infallibility which exists ONLY in doctrinal pronouncements EX CATHEDRA. I would like to request that you do an episode on the Catholic view of Orthodoxy which rests upon the symbolism of James & John’s mother asking for them to sit at Christ’s right hand and being condemned for this ambition. This is also very deep in evidence for us today. This would be the real pendant piece of Peter’s apostasy and would be evenhanded self examination of the spiritual ills & temptations within the Orthodox Chitch. I pray and long for Catholic-Orthodox unity as the two lungs of the mystical body of which St John Paul so often spoke to fulfil Christ’s exhortation “that they all be one” John 17: 21-23. THANK YOU for contributing significantly to this which should be a spiritual goal for us all. God blessings upon all our Roman brothers of the Eastern Church and thank you for your orthodoxy. Many of us in Rome are clear that the Greek Orthodox especially represent the continuation of the tradition of the Church Fathers whereas we no longer can claim this. Romans of Rome regret this bitterly: from the good theologians to the guy who makes the cappuccino: we all know this. So let us help each other rebuild the spiritual Rome of which the whole world is so desperately in need.

[@andrewfavorov4579]

Thank you, I found your comment very insightful

[@cmhammer]

Wow. 😮 TY for sharing ❤✝️

[@mattnieri1202]

I'm one of so many Catholics in agreement.

[@Liturgical-Living]

Dr. Pageau has a nice ring to it.

[@dustydesertdisciple6290]

Vatican= seat of Satan, sorry not sorry. Everything about what that place represents and is beholden to is of this world, and they love the god of this world. Like in the last popes book all things new, he demistrates this clearly.

[@Michalis_Veniopoulos]

The fact that the early Church had no problem to write down and hand to Christians of all ages the shortcomings and failures of one of the greatest Apostles is itself a strong argument for the accuracy and truthfulness of the descriptions

[@miklosfabian4722]

Even in the Old Testament, terrible things are written about the behavior of the Jews. People would never write about their people like that

[@notloki3377]

so all a book character has to do to earn the status of 100% true in your book is be a scumbag a few times?

[@lounaannajung4454]

​@@notloki3377 you missed the part where that "character" is part of a group of about ~13 young people that completely change the world without using violence.

[@notloki3377]

@@Michalis_Veniopoulos it's not a strong argument for the truthfulness of a text, fictional or otherwise, that the characters aren't perfect. it's not really even an argument, it's just an observation that whoever wrote the book wasn't a complete idiot.

[@notloki3377]

@@lounaannajung4454 the notion that martyrdom and diplomacy are often more effective at persuasion than waving a hammer around like a monkey wasn't a novel idea in the late hellenistic world or the early roman empire.

[@nicksimon4696]

I think what Jonathan said about the dual symbolism of Peter applies not just to the Church of Rome but to all churches. When leaders take power for themselves, they betray their proper role as servants. Jesus’s model of leadership was to wash the disciples’ feet, to be a servant. Every church, not just the Catholic Church, is susceptible to the danger of having leaders who fail to be proper servants. Even further, every Christian has to be attentive in daily life to the difference between following proper authority and taking authority unjustly for yourself.

[@animula6908]

The existence of different denominations is mostly an aspect of this. In my town, the nondenominational churches keep splitting over petty grievances. From the outside you can see that people’s egos are involved, and no one is doing it to better serve the Lord. But they’re all convinced that’s it

[@davemaverick8438]

one word: Prelest

[@NT-lh8br]

​@@animula6908zazasàa

[@mattmackmack9173]

Thank you SO MUCH Jonathan. As a Byzantine Catholic living in the US, I found this to be a mind blowing and lucid explanation of not only what's going on currently in the Roman Church but throughout its history. You helped me make sense of what is otherwise a demoralizing situation. I;'m a subscriber and I cannot say enough in how much you help me understand and appreciate the unseen realm and symbolic world☦☦☦

[@PedroSousa-rc3pq]

As a roman catholic, i thank you jonathan! Really wonderfull video. Blessed be Saint Peter and glory to Jesus Christ!

[@danatowne5498]

My favorite story about Peter is when Jesus says to him (paraphrased), 'Satan is going to try to tear you apart but I have prayed for you and you are going to be OK'. I can hear exasperation in that passage of scripture - but SO much love as well.

[@john-paulgies4313]

"Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you (plural) as wheat. But I have prayed for thee (singular), that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren." (Luke 22:31-32)

[@sunnysideoop278]

As a Mexican Catholic, I have been learning more about my own faith thanks to Orthodox Christianity than through the Catholic Church. However, I feel strongly grateful to the Catholic Church because I, my country and all of South America is Christian only thanks to her. Our culture, traditions, and beliefs are deeply rooted in Catholicism. What would Mexico be without Our Lady of Guadalupe? What would we be without Queen Isabella the Catholic? Would we be as devout if it weren’t for the Catholic missionaries that came from Europe? Because of this, I have been struggling to find the correct approach to this seeming incompatibility between both worlds: Finding refuge from the world in the Orthodox Church’s teachings and traditions, yet a growing sense of owing my fidelity and service to the Catholic Church. Thank you so much, Jonathan for this clear explanation of what many of us Catholics have been struggling with inside the Church of Rome.

[@RA4J]

Stay faithful to your Mother, even if she isn’t always right❤

[@tonox0]

Jonathan this was amazing. As a Catholic, this is extremely relatable, because its true! One misstep, one second of losing our focus, and bad things can happen.

[@user-xt9yc1gq4d]

This is a very refreshing and freeing way to look at the paradox of trusting a perfect God working through an imperfect Church.

[@machinotaur]

I started seeing the connection with the Roman see halfway through the video, and then you actually went there. A beautiful insight, put as gently as necessary.

[@nelsano3]

That image of Peter jumping into the water and swimming towards Our Lord with all his might is one of the most powerful images in the Gospels for me, there is something so Human about it I know the story's cannot be made up.. Peter must have Loved Jesus with all his heart. Breaks me inside every time when I visualise it 😢❤🙏

[@theeratchat.1948]

Thank you so very much Mr. Jonathan Pageau. Above all thanks THE LORD for the gift he given you.

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Amen, this was awesome. haha

[@Subeffulgent]

Once again, you say the truth concerning the Roman Catholics. Excellent keep up the good work in Christ and may God bless you and your family! ✝️☦️✝️

[@ChristIsKingPhilosophy]

Thank you immensely, Jonathan. You have been instrumental in my conversion, and I greatly appreciate you making this video. It was brave and honest, and it has moved me to tears because it was exactly what I needed to hear.

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Love you.

[@TheDrb27]

This reminded me of something way off topic from back in the satanic panic days. The taking of power for oneself and He-Man “I have the power.” Great video

[@joolz5747]

Well, I’m Catholic I’ve been that way for 77 years. Very interesting what you said. I think the key here is biblical I really really do. We have all added things to the original church. I really believe that Peter was the head honcho guy of the apostles for sure. And I believe that the Catholic and Orthodox churches should come to some kind of unity on this whole thing! People are people, men are men. The popes are the authority of the church passed down from Jesus. But they’re human and so we can’t take them at face value most of the time. We’re listening to the Jesus in the Bible not to only these Roman things. I love the orthodox church. I love the Roman church and everybody’s trying to find their way. I don’t think all of this extra stuff is urgently needed immediately. I think we need to go back to the earliest faith, which is the bottom line, listening to Christ’s words, and uniting ourselves with Jesus Christ. And yes, the churches have extra things in them, but they serve to bring us closer to Jesus and sometimes we forget that. People jump to conclusions and people also don’t understand all the details. You get us into a deeper understanding with your symbolism. We think we know what we’re talking about and we really don’t none of us do. We have finite minds. Some of us have better ones than others. You have a very wonderful brain and that’s good but none of us really do connect 100% with the truth even though it’s very close and we know what we know. Thank you very much. This is good because we hear different points of you and I really appreciate everything you do Jonathan 🙏👍😊

[@sebjuliussen9378]

An important comment. I'm a big fan of Jonathans insights but I feel caution is needed.

[@Baiyu83]

I've always thought that Christ is called Peter "Satan" because he was tempting Him at that very moment, just like Satan has tried to do. Because the temptation for Christ was to not to accept the Cross. So, to me, it sounded more like: "stop tempting me, you fool!" kind of phrase.

[@stevendouglas3781]

Surely. But it also echoes back to the very beginning where the serpent told Eve “you will not die” when she took the fruit. Adam and Eve deserved death and ran from it. Christ was innocent but accepted it. Peter’s suggestion would have repeated the fall and invalidated Christ’s mission on Earth. Very significant moment.

[@georgepapatheofilou6118]

Learn to swim in the strength of the holy spirit and fear will become your allie . Don't forget to say thanks to Holy of Holies everyday. Blessings to all for what's left of the year ahead.👊

[@jascon24]

The foundation holds up what’s above and is in contact with what is below.

[@andrewfavorov4579]

Excellent episode! The best explanation of the Orthodox view of Catholicism. Thank you

[@paolafr.9753]

Yes I agree. I would love Pagenau to do an episode on the Catholic view of Orthodoxy which rests upon the symbolism of James & John’s mother asking for them to sit at Christ’s right hand and being condemned for this ambition. This is also very deep in evidence for us today.

[@rocketproductions1441]

I'm extremely grateful for you, Jonathan and your brother Matthieu, both of which have played a pivotal role in lifting the veil and allowing me to comprehend, learn and grow from the Bible and other stories! Your symbolic lens is so powerful in its ability to clarify and aggregate wisdom within. It's no wonder my entire life ive been reading the Bible and have been deterred in it's lack of depth or literary weaving......BOY was I wrong 😂😂😂😂

[@miastupid7911]

Ο Χριστός μαζί σου Ιωναθαν.

[@toddcason]

Speaking Truth Let us not be desirous of vain glory Galatians 5:26

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Amen.

[@veilofreality]

Being following you since day 1, and I must say this is one of your best videos. As a cradle roman Catholic who is now walking towards Orthodoxy this is particularly relevant. 👏Bravo Jonathan! ✝❤‍🔥☦

[@persephonelewis2718]

Love this! This has been an intuitive belief I’ve had and to have it beautifully explained… I didn’t know about Christ reaching back down to fix things. That’s a brilliant image. Love Jonathan

[@stevendouglas3781]

I remember the interview when Jonathan met Martin Shaw (who was another guest) and they hit it off immediately and ended up hijacking the conversation from the poor host lol. Great to see them collaborating so strongly in this promotion.

[@thomasabraham3345]

Wow! As a Catholic I'm amazed! I think this can really bring together the Catholic and Orthodox on the symbolic level, which can hopefully precede more explicit unity 'on earth as in Heaven'. I know you've brought up the possibility that the reunification of the Churches may be an eschatological event, but then I would think even more strongly that we should strive towards that, just as we strive 'to be perfect as the Father is perfect'. My Orthodox brethren, please pray for the reunification of the Churches and especially for the Bishop of Rome, that he may lower himself voluntarily, and continue to serve Christ as an authentic vicar. Pageau, or anyone else, I wonder what kind of connection could be drawn from the passage of Satan falling 'like lightning from the sky' and the passage of Peter being called Satan. When an angelic being falls, they have to fall through earth. I often call fallen angels 'falling angels' for this reason, as their descent is something made manifest to us continuously as their identity is taken on by things on earth and they die. So I wonder if Satan's identity now finds its foothold in the Church specifically(being all the Churches but especially the Church of Rome). Any thoughts? Praise be to God for even if Satan has a foothold in the Church, he 'will die like men'! I think the size and power of the Church of Rome gives it a chaos and corruption that makes the negative side of this symbolism possible, but I think that for the same reasons a double inversion is always possible. On a final note, I had a vision of the Pope being replaced by an anti-pope and taking refuge in Ethiopia, the place of preservation, while the Catholic Church, for the most part becomes the house of Satan, long with most of the Orthodox Churches(remaining separate), but the remnant took refuge in Ethiopia, which was something like an ultimate reunification, to me at least, as I view the Orthodox and Tewahedo Churches as the other valid Churches besides the Catholic Church, where our Protestant brethren remain part of the Catholic Church, although functioning similarly to Paul calling out Peter, being a sort of prophetic voice on the positive side, but on the negative side being too caught up in the fringe and getting lost from their original identity, which is evident in the multiplicity. Any thoughts on these? Peace and Grace

[@Liturgical-Living]

This take is 🔥 Thank you Jonathan!

[@amertlich]

Loved the use of the word “restoration”. In the end Christ does restore all of it.

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Amen.

[@piotrukaszkiewicz6113]

This was great. Thanks, Jonathan!

[@jonboatwright7777]

Excellent presentation. It makes perfect sense as well understanding that Christ used Petros and Petra (if I’m getting that correct). Had he used only Petros it would seem to be placing it all on Peter. Thanks, Jonathan.

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Great comment, Jon. " And the gates of hades shall not prevail against it." SO cool. We serve an awesome God.

[@davidstaudinger1543]

Very glad to hear more pro-Peter orthodox voices when it seems like everyone wants to define the church by its lack of a pope. I think the orthodox interpretation of “on this rock I build my church” is actually important though, since if we understand the rock to be identical to Peter then the Orthodox Church is of course not a church at all. And it is very legitimate to argue from the Greek or Latin that the usage of Petra vs Petros indicate that Peter is named after the foundation of the church and not the other way around. That being said, I agree with everything and that symbolically Peter of course has the role of being a rock, just like how Aaron’s high priesthood was a necessary and central continuation of Moses’s authority. May God grant us the return of our beloved rock!

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Love it. I feel compelled to point to John 10, as a potential supportive framework to characterize Peter. I could be wrong. But something tells me I'm right on target. Peter has a lot to contend with, and doesn't always show great faith. But he was a gatekeeper. Gatekeepers are first in a group to access Heaven. As I'm sure Jonah was. And God hands the shepherd the keys to Heaven. So that each shepherd knows their duty of the gate. They know their sheep by name. And their sheep will only listen to their voice. I feel enthusiastic in spirit. Something is changing. Or happening, I don't know. There is nothing new under the Sun. Lord's using you (:

[@Mahogaany]

Please make a video about John the Evangelist ❤

[@lydiahopesamson9618]

This is an incredible explanation. Thank you!

[@troothseeka4116]

Excellent video, though I must say that there needs to be a distinction made between the idea of the Pope being the legitimate supreme pontiff that serves with humility vs. a legitimate supreme pontiff that takes the power tyrannically. As a Catholic, both are still the legitimate successor even in spite of their sins. It seems that Orthodox think it is automatically a sin for the Pope to wield supreme authority, but again Peter is the reflection of Christ who is the supreme ruler of the Church. The reflection can become an inversion.

[@martinjoseferreyra1961]

Gracias Jonathan

[@codyj07161989]

Thank you so much for this lecture. It was incredible and spoke to me on a personal level. Seriously.

[@thedreadtyger]

Shimun barYuna... oh, thank you Jonathan. thanks very much indeed!

[@denniszaychik8625]

Hi Jonathan, I just wanted to ask you a quick question regarding your Fairytale book series. Are the stories that you are using for the cycle strictly Grimm or will you be using fairytales written by other authors (such as Oscar Wilde) as well? ( If this question in some way is a spoiler then you dont have to respond for I understand the importance of if keeping a secret regarding important narrative elements of a story).

[@BBJester]

Celle-ci m'a vraiment rejoint. Merci !

[@lindadoherty5434]

Thanks for your response I didn’t realize that

[@BlueSquareInWhiteCircle]

wisdom > knowledge

[@1ho2ruk]

Isnt it that Ortodox Church(es) also belive that it is fully church of st. Peter!? So, the same symbolosm of petentialy emphesising too much of earthly power shoud be applied to it, not only to the "Rome"!

[@notaboutit3565]

The pattern of remaining humble so as to not take authority on oneself applies to everyone in positions of authority; since all authority descends from above, that pattern must be maintained or it goes out of phase and becomes a cancelling waveform, the opponent, the satan, annihilation. This is seen at every level of human expression, interpersonal, group, local, regional, national, supranational governance, etc. This is well understood in the Orthodox Church, there’s a reason emphasis rests on praxis.

[@navienslavement]

The symbolism of The Tale of Princess Kaguya when? Jonathan you praises studio Ghibli many times, time to deliver on it!

[@tonox0]

My favorite Ghibli movie and somehow really overlooked.

[@Alexander_Isen]

Earth over Heaven

[@Cyrus_II]

It's note worthy that in the first passage he calls him rock, and in the parallel passage he calls him "stumbling block" (kjv translates it as offence but it literally means stumbling block)

[@markk6151]

I was thinking about Paul’s reflections on Peter not welcoming the gentles in a moment. Peter plays like a messianic Jew type role , becoming dogmatic . It also references a “synagogue” of Satan in New Testament , how do u interpret that?

[@badmen1550]

Seems some commenters are misconstruing “fallibility” and “illegitimacy”. Men are fallible and prone to error. It’s a game of telephone, but someone must be entrusted “with the key” to pass the message on. We can have faith that God will always guide the hearts of those who are listening, regardless of the errors made by men.

[@Facconti]

A Catholic myself, I don't take issue with most of what Jonathan says here; to the contrary, I commend his usual insight. Nonetheless, even if we were to acknowledge this purported papal self-reference, which I'd be very wary of granting as a general pattern of behavior, self-reference or ambition are never Peter's problem in the Gospels (that really makes me think more of John and James). Furthermore, no fault on the Pope gives free pass to bishops to turn around and go their way ignoring him. Yes, St. Peter denies Christ three times, but never do the Gospels depict the other Apostles behaving in any way that may suggest he doesn't lead them anymore. To the contrary, on Easter Sunday, Peter and John run toward the tomb, and John outruns Peter and arrives first, but pays obeisance to Peter as his superior waiting for him to arrive, let's him go in first, and he follows (lots to unpack there). Likewise, according to St. Paul, the Risen Christ appeared first to St. Peter. Both these things before Christ purportedly 'restores' St. Peter. The point is that Jonathan speaks time and again of "Peter's Church," but Peter's Church is Christ's entire Church: "Feed my lambs." Peter's Church is indefectible, and when we grant that the Roman See is even more closely associated with Peter, then that part is most indefectible and the reference for all other churches; this is what we see in St. Ireneus of Lyon (cf. Adv. Haer. III, 3.2-3). Peter cannot be dissociated from Christ, who teaches the multitudes seated in Simon's boat (Lk 5, 3); history gives witness to this, as the 1.39 billion Catholics in the world. As Jonathan says, he brings the fish. That said, I'm very far from triumphalist; I believe some deep problems in Western Catholicism will only be solved with our reunion with Eastern Orthodoxy, which holds treasures and insight that we greatly need, as much as they need the head for the unity that they lack scandalously.

[@reachTrees]

That's a HUGE assumption that John stops to let Peter in first. All you're doing is reading your tradition into the text

[@Facconti]

@@reachTrees It doesn't only mean that necessarily, in fact, I'm pretty sure it has layers of meaning. But regarding your accusation, I can say exactly the same about Jonathan interpreting Peter the way he does, when there is no single spot in the NT where Peter shows ambition, which is posited rather on the sons of Zebedee. Perhaps the call to caution to ambition for power is not so much on Peter as on those would rather not obey him. Again, no single spot in the Gospels shows the disciples ignoring Peter after his denials and before his public talk with Jesus on the shore. Peter can be accused of pusilanimity, or showing double standards, and Paul confronts him. But his position always remains.

[@reachTrees]

@Facconti lol nice deflection. So peter zealously cutting the ear of the soldier or jumping into the water doesn't show ambition... God bless you brother

[@Facconti]

​@@reachTrees No, it doesn't; it shows misguided zeal. Thank you. God bess you, too.

[@Facconti]

If by jumping into the water you mean when Peter briefly walks on water, that's good! The bad thing is that he doubted. That is yet another instance in which Peter and only Peter is specially associated to Christ, as when they pay tribute to the Temple with same coin. Of course, I don't need to say these things if you are an Eastern Orthodox, since I assume they are not an issue.

[@juanernestobrancacho8060]

Great video.

[@ehdlm999]

Thanks Jonathan.

[@danielcoen3483]

So no one shall boast!

[@voidoceanskye266]

Thank you.

[@LouisStravinsky]

It would be beneficial to the bishop of Rome to watch that video.

[@jaydee2072]

Unfortunately, he is a long developed ideological asset. He has every intention of desecrating his Church and tarnishing every Catholic with his idiocy and permissiveness.

[@LouisStravinsky]

@@jaydee2072 you might think that I am naive but I still believe in the good intentions of the pope. I just think that he is confused like so many modern individuals. It is sad when you see confused shepherds but sadly they are present everywhere...even in the Orthodox Church. Hopefully the structure of the Orthodox Church limits their ability to make too much damage.

[@IsoMorphix]

Honestly every church in existence needs to think about this. But yeah, the Roman irony is super intense.

[@HumanDignity10]

@@LouisStravinsky He already knows. A lot of what Jonathan describes is not news to any well catechized Catholic, but we believe Jesus gave the keys to Peter precisely because of his shortcomings. He could've given them to the beloved disciple, but he didn't. We don't expect our popes to be perfect. The Catholic Church has existed for 2024 years and has had plenty of time to make plenty of mistakes. But she also examines herself regularly and apologizes regularly, including to Eastern Orthodox Christians for past harms.

[@LouisStravinsky]

@@HumanDignity10 I understand where you come from, I was catholic myself not that long ago, but I believe that your church has drifted too far from the orthodox teaching and tradition. Not looking for a debate here.

[@764Kareltje]

In which way did the Eastern Orthodox splitting off solve the 'issue' of St Peter symbolisms in the church? Is the Eastern church somehow completely free of secular involvement?

[@toejay]

To be fair, they see the Western Church as splitting from them.

[@764Kareltje]

@@toejay That seems to be the case. Then it is interesting that Pageau, an Eastern Orthodox christian, views the position of vicar of Christ as an inevitability in the Church. And it seems to be a point of spiritual wrestling for him.

[@aidantreays6497]

I think there’s more to be said on this ! Just a hunch !

[@michaeldavidnvitales]

“I’ve always thought of myself more as a Funshine Bear, your honor.”

[@matheusmotta1750]

The Faith of Peter is the Rock of the Church.

[@leonardevans1441]

Very good. Thank you so much!

[@GarrettChristianWayneHelmic]

THE CROSS ON MY NECK IS UPSIDE DOWN AND THEN I GOT SAVED AND FOUND OUT I AM THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

[@sergiocalatayud5621]

Maybe the inverted Cross is suposed to worlk as a mirror so we remember and turn to the real Cross. Maybe that is why vampires cannot see the reflection on the mirror, they wont look up

[@JackJohnston-ye8oc]

Yeah maybe not buddy

[@JonCrs10]

That's one way of looking at it, the reflection thing is more about the idea that a reflection in a mirror is showing your literal soul and "vampires have no souls." Which is its own issue but I digress

[@sergiocalatayud5621]

@@JonCrs10 interesting! Thanks for the input mate.

[@l.sophia2803]

The Pope in Rome and his current cronies have declared that the Church will be revamping the Church teachings to 'correct the errors of the Holy Sprit'. Yes, you read that right. Men within the church, believing it is on them to 'correct the errors of the Holy Spirit'! My little mind is blown.. I dont have the answers, other than Christ Jesus, but I know we are in extraordinary times, and it is more important than ever to make your choice and live accordingly. The hour grows late..

[@therunawayrascal]

28:28 what do you mean by this? honest confusion/curiosity. as there is a ROC in Rome (maybe more?) and so I would think a bishop as well right? or at least eventually? is the true Church of Peter/Rome forever the RCC regardless of if more and more EOCs are established in Rome as maybe they retain that identity in being recognized as in schism from the EOC?

[@therunawayrascal]

i guess simply put, was the mantle of Peter taken with them in the schism?

[@mersouled]

You blow my mind with this! 🫶🙏

[@brownhornetseventhre]

Can you do a video into the symbolisim of the black cube in Mecca, Judaism, and the possibility of the cross folding into cube. Saturn worship. There is a black cube in every capital city here in Australia.

[@OneMansOdyssey]

Thank you, Jonathan. I asked a question in the monthly Q&As probably 3+ years ago that had to do with this, and have thought about it for a long time since then. I have thought about how the Church is St. Peter and St. Paul. St. Peter is like the institutionalized Church, and St. Paul is the "activist" or evangelical Church. Peter is the ecclesiastical hierarchy, and Paul is the communion of saints. Both are necessary. However, it is strange that Peter and Judas are both antichrist figures in the New Testament. Judas is condemned, and in some sense the proper sense of his existence is redeemed by Paul, but Peter seems to walk the tightrope. Perhaps this reveals the reality of how the institutionalized Church can falter in its human elements, but it ultimately is redeemable, whereas certain activist elements are fully irredeemable, I don't know.

[@PeterHouston-xs9hd]

So is Peter weeping something to do with being taken down into the water ... both salt water.

[@AugustasKunc]

Very good! Now it's not just code for him regretting, but it's also a direct symbolic connection.

[@JB-Jude20]

I know that later the rest of the disciples were given the power to bind and loose but the keys are only mentioned in connection with Peter specifically. Is there any other symbolic meaning in regards to the keys of heaven and earth ?

[@inturnetavatar]

Jesus: Be humble St. Peter: I’ll be the most humble!!

[@BrandonGray]

You have spoken correctly about Peter. He is Aaron and Christ is the Law. As Aaron rejected the law and thus the covenant was broken because the tablets of stones were crushed so is the rejection of Christ by Peter. In the same way Aaron does not lose his position, Peter does not lose his.

[@Hbmd3E]

Very good. so this is why someone might experience satan/judas vibes sometimes,,. because you know you have calling.. ps . all Apostles asked " Is it me ? " when Jesus said one will betray.

[@oliverman6168]

The key of David

[@logoimotions]

"If you become the church of St Peter, then that image, that pattern will play itself out in you" "If you take on that mantle, you will participate in that symbolism " That is mind blowing

[@alphabeta8284]

not really.

[@birukhailu7113]

Thank you

[@richardemerson8381]

The first group Dante calls out on level one of Purgatory is Prideful Christians. "Miserable Christians" who in "their deluded minds have faith in backwards steps". The tempetations of the Ego might be even bigger when the spiritual is seen as under control or your domain. And the damage thus even graver - as Dante witnessed in his time.

[@paulr5246]

I appreciate you doing this video, seems like an audacious arrow shot right down through the middle, turning neither to the left nor to the right. Acknowledging both Historical Truth and error.

[@FollowingYeshua7]

Holy Spirit doesn't miss! Let's gooo. haha

[@danielcoen3483]

If someone takes our cloak are we not also obligated to give them our shirt ?

[@amosmachora]

at 23:48 Jordan Peterson has this quote of intelligence where if you do not treat it correctly and you aren`t grateful that it has been given to you it will work against you. He says you are at the hands of the worst possible agent of destruction. Am I right to say this is kind of cognizant to the upside down cross?

[@LuIsSaNcHeZ510]

Why did he say “get behind me Satan” and not “get behind me Lucifer”?

[@jordanfalkowski6924]

I was kinda thinkin how an equation to ration how many beers went where and what if there was less than a six pack of another brand or whatever,❤

[@Ganymede66]

Could you please do an analysis of Matthew 19:12 and 19:14 ? No kids in 14 if everyone’s a eunuch in 12.

[@danielcoen3483]

It is almost as if God meant what he said in both interactions. If not , which one was meant in the affirmitave. Could it have been a teaching moment of how serious the post was or did Christ make a mistake ?

[@eliasrodriguez2650]

I know your Orthodox, you have to say this at 4:44 But that's just not true Johnathan, Christ never gave keys to the other apostles. Only to St.Peter. That's why the Catholic Church has stood the test of time.

[@avp2010]

Peter isn’t the rock Christ builds his church, it’s what Peter said, which wasn’t from Peter but god, that Jesus is Christ. That testimony, from god, is the rock on which the church was built. Christ crucified, risen, son of the living god.

[@TheFeralcatz]

This is a bad argument. One that I was given in my sloppy catechism when I was becoming Orthodox. Peter means rock. Petra. His original name was Simon, name changes are always significant in scripture.

[@Robertlane777]

Reading about ten minutes of the church fathers on this subject will put this to rest. It’s both not one or the other. Christ is the Rock and cornerstone. Belief in Christ is too. And Peter is named after this. Like how we are called Christian because of Christ. It means little Christ. Like how Peter is Little Rock.

[@danielcoen3483]

This is obsurd, he says the Vicar of Christ left his original role! This is such a stretch and I would love the Pope's response or a Bishop. But I myself am appalled by the condescension

[@goblinsdammit]

Wouldn't Peter's symbolism not only represent the church of Rome, but Christianity as a whole as well? Doesn't this indicate that Christianity itself as the representative of Christ has the potential to become anti-Christ, become Satan? Strange that Jonathan doesn't make that connection here.

[@isaaczunigacuellar3615]

Book and judge

[@danielcoen3483]

Are the saints only the Vicar of Christ or are they also the disciples ?

[@danielcoen3483]

Was Jonah cast aside ? Or did Christ save him ?

[@rokanfiction-benjackson7146]

In that case it sounds like the papal infallibility heresy makes the see of Rome into an opponent of Christ, and no longer His vicar

[@Robertlane777]

He gave the best case for the Catholic Church. It’s Noah’s ark and no matter how bad it gets it’s still steered by God because of its faithfulness and continuation of the lineage of Peter. Like how the southern kingdom maintained its succession and was blessed accordingly and the north was destroyed. Leaving the ship due to a current storm won’t help. It needs everyone.

[@abrahamcampozano8068]

Amen.❤

[@richhoneysett5600]

“Christ still continued to guide him despite himself” Big truth in that

[@danielcoen3483]

So Peter brought the fish? Also Christ kept asking him to bring the faithful? So he still has the keys? And is rhe sheperd? And doing what the Lord wants is the keys and if you fail you can repent and reley on Christ's blood and life. But always this same man

[@joer9156]

That mirror image cross thing sort of reminds me of Sephirot and Klippot. No offense, I'm not trying to say it's Kabbalistic and therefore bad or anything. It just seems like a similar concept.

[@chadparsons50]

Um, Jesus wasn't naming Peter as the stone on which the church would be built, instead it would be built on the truth of Jesus identity as the Son of God imo.

[@john-paulgies4313]

As a Catholic, I feel obliged to admonish against what I see as the only flaw in an otherwise magnificent, inspiring, and hopefully fruitful meditative treatment of the Bishop of Rome. The fact that a bishop abuses his authority is no evidence that his authority has been gained by usurpation. [Nor do I believe in any case that the Filioque-in-the-Symbol-of-Faith was an abuse thereof.] It is one thing to point out that such abuse is possible; it is another to insinuate that such a thing is equivalent to the jurisdiction claimed by the Roman Episcpacy - i.e. "bishop of the bishops" in both doctrine and governance. Obviously you are simply being honest about your perspective, so we must part ways on this for now. Nonetheless, I profess that I am moved by God's grace to profess the decrees of the First Vatican Council as _de Fide_ and look forward to getting proselytized to (and/or flamed) by those here who disagree. Pax Christi. ✝️ ❤️‍🔥

[@alphabeta8284]

How is it inspiring if he calls St. Peter, Satan? Any Christian should be disturbed by this. You say - Christ called Peter Satan. OK, but Jonathan Pageau is not Christ. We must show our Apostles and Apostolic Fathers respect and veneration.

[@john-paulgies4313]

@@alphabeta8284 So we also should refrain from calling the Pharisees hypocrites...? Why? Don't be afraid of character flaws, neither cower from truthful recognition of evil. Peter was antichrist. Jesus did not depart from the sinful man. Christ chose an antichrist to be converted into the image of Christ, and to feed His sheep and strength his brethren. How is that _not_ inspiring?! "Power is made perfect in infirmity." (2 Cor. 12:9) "For why did Christ, when as yet we were weak, according to the time, die for the ungodly? For scarce for a just man will one die: yet perhaps for a good man some one would dare to die. But God commendeth his charity towards us: because when as yet we were sinners according to the time. Christ died for us. Much more therefore, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son: much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life." (Rom. 5:6-10)

[@toejay]

Except that flaw is actually, subtly, the crux of his presentation.

[@alphabeta8284]

@@john-paulgies4313 how can you call St. Peter - or any saint, an antichrist. This blows my mind. Catholics: "O Peter, Rock of the Church! Blessed art thou in this thy name, which Jesus, the Rock, gave to thee; for he was “the Rock,” and shared his name with thee." Orthodox: "St. Peter is the Antichrist."

[@john-paulgies4313]

@@alphabeta8284 St Augustine was a heretic. St. Mary of Egypt was a whore. St Paul was a murderer. St. Dismas was a thief.

[@bojannikolic4474]

Why does Jordan Peterson tells you to clean his room? Because he did not cleaned his own.

[@mirozkapeluszem]

27:14 now compare it with saint Paul.

[@joshuabrowncrow]

This is one of the names my parents gave me. It is good to hear more about the history of his life. I appreciate when you explain the complexity and opposing meanings of events and symbolism, it helps to understand the fullness of things.