The Drydock - Episode 085

[@Drachinifel]

Pinned post for Q&A :) UPDATE on American Trip (supercedes Drydock ending) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6iWfXtpqax_j6c

[@bradleyjames1340]

Hello, great videos, thanks a million for giving me something worthwhile to watch while my wife zombies out to nauseatingly stupid reality TV garbage, which tends to send me into a rage spiral if I accidentally pay attention to it for more than a few seconds. You've pretty much saved my marriage. My question is more of a request for a special video concerning torpedoes. I've noticed that when talking about ship vs. ship hostilities you generally mention what hits were scored with what guns and what types of shells, and usually the particulars of the engagement are prefaced by an overview of the gun specs anyways. However, torpedoes are generally just generically referred to as "torpedoes". I understand that it would be exhaustive and also not a terribly important detail to regularly explain the particulars of each torpedo launched in a combat, so this is not a criticism. You have I know covered certain torpedoes such as the American self propelled metal logs of early WW2, the IJN Longlance, and the German acoustically guided torpedoes, but I've always been curious about the general attributes, curiosities, failings, etc. of all the various designs produced and used during the second World war, even by the minor navies provided they were domestically produced and not just procured from a more major navy. I suppose maybe they were all so similar that an in depth comparison just wouldn't be at all interesting, in which case you're free to tell me to go scratch, which I might enjoy even more than a proper response to my query. Thanks again for your work.

[@dancingwiththedarkness3352]

Would a finned subcaliber sabo round have given the standard 32 pound gun of 1800 any advantages in range and accuracy over the standard round shot of the time? Yes, avoid the American highway system, everyone drives on the wrong side of the road and blissfully ignores any posted speed limits.

[@danielchristiansen5481]

Did any nation consider or test the use of shaped-charge warheads (ie HEAT warheads) as a payload for naval guns?

[@Islander0711]

Why didn't the Japanese capture Midway when they attacked Pearl Harbor?

[@rolandjaycutter3504]

If Russian had actually built a project 71/72 carrier, how would that affect WW2? Fallow up if you'll indulge me, what planes would have been adapted for carrier use?

[@darrellsmith4204]

Listening to Drach try to refrain from going into minute detail on hydrodynamics was like listening to a foxhound wailing when it's on the scent but still leashed.. The unabashed, unapologetic, even plaintive "For the love of god this is what I'm born to do! Turn me loose! Please just let me go on!". You have to respect the mans passion. I'm picturing Mrs. Drach going into labor, someone walking up and casually mentioning "If I were to design a treaty cruiser with a tumblehome hull AND a constanzi stern I think that would solve a lot of problems", and him saying "Dear, you will have to call an ambulance. I'm afraid I'm going to be a bit here..".

[@giupiete6536]

What are the hydrodynamic properties of water breaking anyway?

[@Colt45hatchback]

Reminds me of my greyhound looking in the window and seeing my cat catch a mouse... Wants to also catch the mouse, also wants to catch the cat, cant decide what it wants more, all it knows is theres a clear albeit nose printed force field in the way 🤣

[@Moredread25]

I feel like a special on shipboard epidemics would be appropriate.

[@caderly123]

I second this! "Disease on the High Seas" or something like that!

[@workingguy-OU812]

Yep.

[@WildBillCox13]

Linfamy has a video on how white rice almost killed the Imperial Japanese Navy kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6usc6N8ebela8k

[@noahdavila9819]

Agreed

[@jimtalbott9535]

YES! This is an ongoing issue, to this very day! But what would this virus be like on an Age of Sail ship? What measures did they take? What were their methods during the Age of the Miasma, before Germ Theory was a thing?

[@rickkennett3192]

HMAS Adelaide was known as HMAS Much Delayed. I used to know an old soldier who had been stationed at a coastal battery outside of Sydney. One day the Adelaide came in one the wrong track, so the battery officer got over officious and pointed the guns at Adelaide in a threatening way to show up the ship's mistake. The Adelaide responded by turning all her guns on the battery and flashing a single that more or less said, "Have a go, ya mug."

[@JevansUK]

I thought it was HMAS Long Delayed

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

Did it then go on to ram the dry dock at St. Nazaire ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5vJdqWIbZamh6M

[@CharlesStearman]

@@ABrit-bt6ce That was the HMS Campbeltown, formerly USS Buchanan.

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

@@CharlesStearman Yes I know. We both now know what happens when you don't challenge an unfamiliar face. :)

[@rickkennett3192]

@@JevansUK Yes. My bad.

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

Drachisms of the Day 14:54 "I don't know what you did to the English language, Americans. But I..I..I give up." 17:25: "If you think Peral Harbor was bad, watch what happens when the twin-engine bombers get in on the act as well." 21:42 "Reality doesn't have to make sense. Fiction has to follow rules." 29:05 "And there's a whole lot of complicated equations that go into that. So, again, because I don't want to spend the rest of the DryDock talking about the hydrodynamic principals of hull-design, umm, just take my word for it." 31:50 "It will be cool and fine for about the next five minutes and then it will end in blood, tears, explosions and wreakage over the water. So yeah, maybe leak those plans to your enemy first." 50:17 "14th century cannons had a distressing habit of exploding and scattering the crew, themselves and lots of bits of burning, hot metal all over the place. Which is not really something you want when you're on a small wooden warship covered in, ah, men and burnables." 54:42 "...upper class nit-witery that occasionally infected the Royal Navy's upper echelons..." 57:20 "You know what? Stuff it. All sails to full. We are going into this battle come hell or high water and probably both are not too far away."

[@PaulfromChicago]

He'd really be giving up if he would start pronouncing Galena correctly.

[@jonrolfson1686]

14:54 "I don't know what you did to the English language, Americans. But I..I..I give up." Please, don't give up on English Drach - We all have some well founded hope that you will get there eventually. One day you may be able to refer to a certain Japanese Super Dreadnought without calling to mind a giant orange tuber.

[@gokbay3057]

That 21:42 is already a saying actually

[@christopherconard2831]

The English are jealous we pronounce the language so well. You'd think, with a country named England, they'd be better at it.

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

@@jonrolfson1686 Well said, Sir.

[@stnylan]

We need a long video by Drach on engineering hydraulics and similar, just because.

[@Pyeknu]

Going on with the issue of commissioning naval bases as ships: In Canada, that was the practice until a very horrible event called UNIFICATION occurred in 1968. Thus, HMCS Stadacona (Halifax, NS) became Canadian Forces Base Halifax, HMCS Naden (Esquimalt, BC) became CFB Esquimalt, HMCS Shearwater (Dartmouth, NS) became CFB Shearwater (and is today considered a detachment of CFB Halifax) and HMCS Bytown (Navy HQ in Ottawa, ON) joined with the headquarters elements of the Canadian Army and the RCAF to become the National Defence Headquarters Administration Unit and today serves as Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa.

[@bificommander7472]

"If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky."

[@vaclav_fejt]

*If it was stupid and it worked once. If it's stupid and it works every time, then it's not stupid.

[@whatsoperadoc7050]

So we now have a UK travel ban and it sounds like we might have a travel ban within the US as well. This really sucks, I was hoping to meet up with you in Mobile. Hope you can get full refunds on everything Drach. And everyone stay safe out there.

[@sarjim4381]

I was also planning on being in Mobile, but it looks like we'll have to postpone that. Too bad, but it will come off in good time. Now that I'm spending all my time at home, the upside is I have time to dig into the pile of naval history. books I haven't gotten around to yet.

[@deplorablemecoptera3024]

Sar Jim that's an excellent attitude to have on this, in academia we're all coming up with action plans to maintain work in isolation. Life finds a way.

[@sarjim4381]

@@deplorablemecoptera3024 Yes, we'll make it through this. It's being made more difficult by the hoarders and "worried well" now, bu that will drop off in time as we get more retailers limiting purchases of some items and more testing available to those who are symptomatic. The best advice from what I learned from my ten years as a respiratory therapist is self-isolate to the degree possible, maintain social distance when you can't, and avoid anyone coughing or sneezing. Wash your hands, but it doesn't need to be obsessive. If you can't get hand sanitize, you can make your own. There are a bunch of recipes online, mostly consisting of 99% isopropyl alcohol and a little aloe vera. If you can't get isopropyl, buy some straight Everclear from the liquor store. It's 200 proof, or 100% ethanol alcohol. Works just as good, and you can always use it in mixed drinks to calm you down as well. :-)

[@adambacon1317]

Naval architect here! @Drachinifel explained the Length-to-Beam ratio well. I would add that the type of the hull (displacement, semi-displacement, planing) is even more important than L/B ratio but more length is definitely a better choice for displacement and semi-displacement hulls. The biggest problem for displacement and semi-displacement hulls (most large warships are of these types) is that they can't outrun their bow wave easily, and attempting to do so creates lots of resistance and drastically raises the propulsion requirements.

[@boreasreal5911]

I wouldn't mind an hours long video of Drach nerding out over hydrodynamics

[@MultiZirkon]

We need a Drach's version of Greg's Airplanes: "Stern wave, The Truth!" with a lot of graphs and charts!

[@kennethdeanmiller7324]

I'd be glad to give it a listen & maybe learn something!!!

[@vonfragesq7145]

The US & the UK, two countries separated by a common language.

[@disbeafakename167]

They made it up, we fixed it.

[@ravenwing199]

@@disbeafakename167 They fucked it up we just keep messing with it.

[@dj7291993]

The USS Houston developed a bit of a reputation, though mainly for the number of times it was “sunk”, then showed up at the next battle anyway.

[@rickkennett8505]

The Galloping Ghost of the Java Coast

[@Halinspark]

"I don't know what you did to the English language Americans, but I give up." To be fair, 1) those aren't English words, and 2) Leicester, Glocester, Towcester, Worcestershire.

[@solstormgaming2689]

Good point.

[@Loweko1170]

Every time this comes up I just point out that the British used to force suspected German spies to read out cricket scorecards.

[@viking1236]

We have worse than those!

[@willrogers3793]

Not to mention Edinburgh.

[@Mishn0]

and....the "Ki" at the front of the designations of Japanese Army aircraft is a syllable, not an abbreviation. It's the first syllable of "kitai", Japanese for "airframe". It's pronounced "kee". It's, "Kee forty three", not "Kay Eye forty three".

[@VintageCarHistory]

The US Navy did put giant honking engines into a small warship- the Pegasus Class. They solved the problem of the hull skipping along by making the thing a hydrofoil.

[@paulwoodman5131]

Did Drach do a video on the Pegasus? Unique Naval fighting ship.

[@VintageCarHistory]

@@paulwoodman5131 I do not think so. It's rather modern for his tastes (these things were built in the 1970's). I served in the USN during the time and I recall they had 6 of the things. I did see one doing speed trials and it was quite a sight- a warship doing freeway speeds.

[@paulwoodman5131]

@@VintageCarHistory oh, of course, yeah that's right. I'm kinda new to this channel. Wonderful content, interesting and comical too.

[@Isolder74]

Yes then you paint it red and that's a moray.

[@admiraltiberius1989]

How many people skipped straight to the Channel Admin section??? "Raises hand" ...I'm pulling a full nervous Kermit the frog meme Anyway, fantastic video sir, always love your work. Hearing you rage against the American vernacular is always a welcome treat. What of the greatest "what ifs" is what would have happened if the American government had spared some more in the 30s towards modernizing the Phillipines defenses. Especially the coast defense guns and equipment of the troops present. Having a competent commander would help too. Speaking of the Gearings, the USS Orleck DD-886 is being rescued from a bad situation in my hometown and is going to be transferred to Jacksonville. That's very happy news I'd say.

[@whatsoperadoc7050]

I did too. And about an hour later they announced the UK travel ban.

[@admiraltiberius1989]

@@whatsoperadoc7050 I seriously wanted to go jump into a river when I heard.

[@CSSVirginia]

"Dugout Doug". Few American generals are as polarizing as MacArthur. You either love him or hate him.

[@admiraltiberius1989]

@@CSSVirginia for me it's his actions after receiving news of Pearl Harbor, no additional CAP was ordered, no supplies and troops dispersed to wartime positions. He just sat there and let it all go down the drain.

[@CSSVirginia]

@@admiraltiberius1989 Sure. He has had great PR. Dad had a book called "American Ceaser" about him and the movie of course. But the more you look the more he doesn't live up to the hype.

[@michaelhitchcock9255]

RE: pronunciation of balao and gato. Both are fish named by countries close to their habitat. Balao are found off the coast of Brazil and therefore the Portuguese pronunciation is used, making the word rhyme with "allow". The Gato are a type of saltwater catfish found in the Gulf of Mexico, so the Spanish pronunciation is used. Gato is Spanish for cat and is pronounced "gah-toe" . It's simple, really, and you usually pronounce them correctly. In some regions of the U. S., strong regional dialects might result in mispronunciation, but the correct pronunciations do seem to be dominant. Neither word is "English" and that is generally recognized in the U. S.

[@danielscheurwater2466]

Talking about the Sovereign of the Sea, I did a research about this period as a Dutch history student, that ship was freighting. At one point it managed to practically held of most of the Dutch fleet for an hour before the rest of the British navy showed up. That thing had one hell of a reputation in the Netherlands

[@suflanker45]

The American heavy frigates of The War of 1812 gained a fearsome reputation to the point the Royal Navy issued orders to NOT engage them one on one.

[@e.k.bellinger9496]

You say to-mah-to, I say to-may-to, you call her Gah-to, I call her Gay-to.... I am a submariner's daughter--pronounced Sub-ma-REE-ner on my side of the pond--and my dad served on the Gato (pronounced Gay-to) class USS Finback SS230. I can explain English grammar in both English and Spanish, so I know there are other ways to pronounce the words "gato" and "balao". Some dialects will curl your hair, Mr. Drachinifel. The firefighter training, which you describe in the episodes on USS Franklin and on Damage Control, was originally given in Brooklynese and New Joisey dialects. The fog nozzle used by the US Navy was first developed by the New York fire dept, and was suggested to the Navy early iin 1942, by a reserve officer who happened to be an assistant fire chief in NYC. The Navy must have enlisted half the firefighters from the New York City area, to teach sailors how to use the equipment. When my dad was at San Diego in 1944, the instructor, from New Jersey, told him to "Woil the hose and put out the fire in the burling earl" (Whirl the hose and put out the fire in the boiling oil).

[@glennricafrente58]

Somebody please put together a pronunciation guide of American ships for Drach! Your second pronunciation of Luzon was fairly good, though! But you keep mangling Samar (emphasis should be on the first syllable, not the second.)

[@ShadrachVS1]

Best part, many of the words he has issue with aren't English it is often loan words from other languages that we then... *ahem* annexed with our own interpretation of their pronunciation...

[@Vespuchian]

That's okay, Drach. I pronounce "Gato" and "Balao" as "Spanish Cat" and "French Balloon". "Kitties" and "Floaties" if you want to get colloquial. This does imply the inevitable anthropomorphisms that are so popular today should all wear cat ears and swim floats, respectively.

[@sarjim4381]

I can't imagine that you'd have a good trip, Drach, even if you can make it here. Now that travel from the UK is suspended, you'd have to spend fourteen days in quarantine if even you did get here, many of the ships/museum are closing, and more and more hotels, restaurants, and any places of public accommodation are also closing. I'd like to think we will regain our sanity in three weeks, but I doubt it. If it was me, I'd just cancel and reschedule for maybe the summer, when there's a better chance this thing will have blown over.

[@tomijantti]

This is the only thing I was actually looking forward to during my stint with the Coronavirus, thank you Drach!

[@CSSVirginia]

14:50. We f***d with it. That's what we did to the Kings English.

[@runningcalc96]

14:54 Gato and Balao aren't even English words. They reflect the American practice of naming submarines after species of fish. 'Gato' is a colloquial Spanish name for catsharks www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/discover-fish/species-profiles/parmaturus-xaniurus/ Balaos are baitfish, presumably named named for the Portuguese word balão - balloon. fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?ID=1057&AT=Demi-bec+balaou

[@jameson1239]

I don’t know why they stopped that I personally couldn’t wait for USS emperor or USS sweetlip depending on weather they use the first or last bit of the name

[@BornRandy62]

Crazy. During the damage control phase following mine strikes a senior commissioned officer unplugged the emergency lighting cord so that he could vacuum his stateroom. To this day he is unmentioned in media or stories or even facebook groups. The weapons officer at the time is the recent appointee to CNO so not every outcome of the experience was a bad one .

[@EdMcF1]

13' 59" Captain Eric Brown wrote in his autobiography 'Wings on my Sleeve' something about his fighter's machine guns being not much use against a U-boat's pressure hull. And there was the Tsetse Mossie, with its 57mm cannon fit for purpose.

[@johnfisher9692]

For a ship with a fearsome reputation from the age of sail I remember the video about HMS Indefagitable which captured so many ships the French may have been building ships for the British RN.

[@rohannbennedicktan7226]

Is there any difference on the Ibuki-class and the Takao-class heavy cruisers?

[@jamesfisher4326]

The Balao has a pressure hull of .875" high tensile steel. When attacked by aircraft using guns the pressure hull of a Balao will easily stand up to 30 caliber fire and possibly stand up to 50 caliber AP fire that is not hitting it at right angles. It is not likely to withstand 20 mm AP rounds unless the angle of impact is quite oblique. The impact of machine gun fire on the pressure hull is likely to be reasonably oblique because of the small portion of the pressure hull above the water line. Keep in mind that in most cases the round will have to first pass through about .25" of steel fairing or ballast tank. Perhaps more critical is the effect of gunfire on the ballast tanks. These were .25" mild steel and would be fairly easy to penetrate. A strafing attack on the submarine would be likely to penetrate these many times though mostly above the waterline. This would prevent the sub from submerging and possibly sink it without penetrating the pressure hull.

[@Baby_Valentine]

"I don't know what you did to the English language, Americans. But I..I..I give up." We did what the British did, only we used completely unrelated languages. "We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." ORIGIN OF BALAO First recorded in 1850-55, balao is from the Puerto Rican Spanish word balajú kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZy8lmCGqtObga8

[@GoldPicard]

I just cracked up when I heard Drach admit it, oh boy we did it, We won bois!

[@stvdagger8074]

And the reason why is that the USN used to name submarines after maritime creatures. They built so many that they ran out of the more common Anglo-saxon breeds of fish that they had to use names of exotic fish named by non-english speakers. Off course, they now name ships after States, cities and politicians. When they were laying down the Los Angeles, Admirals Rickover replied to complaints that it should be named after a fish, by saying that fish names gain no votes in the Congressional Budget committees, but city names do.

[@dropdead234]

Jim Kirk trying to explain English to a Romulan. Good series.

[@JessicaZane4realz]

I've been getting really into World War 2 ships from Japan. I need to hear more videos on those.

[@dcarlson7532]

So, there were a number of things I wanted to ask/share information about. One: Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts is getting closer to good approximations of Hood and Bismarck. Its now in Alpha 5 if you wish to look at it again. Two: A question for a future drydock... How was range determined on a per caliber basis for naval guns? A sub question to that is, how long is the gun barrel on a per caliber basis? Also, as far as state names used on ships; the only ones I have not heard of besides Montana are North Dakota, Idaho, Rhode Island, Michigan and possibly Vermont, would you know if those names were taken by anything in the 1900s or not? Feel free to spread these questions out over several episodes if you wish. I really appreciate the time and effort you put in to these informational videos.

[@Lemonjellow]

I've always heard it as Buh-Lay-Oh, but then again I pronounce the R in Wash so what would I know? Apparently, according to wikipedia, the fish they were named after was first documented by a french guy who moved to the U.S. and lived 40 minutes from my house. :- o There are no Balaos New Harmony in Indiana though lol... Lots of catfish and bass though... Maybe a carp or a Gar or two...

[@civishamburgum1234]

The title mujsic makes ma alway grooving.

[@MiMi-wg1vy]

00:53:56 Uss Enterprise. Japanese: it has been rebuilt 4 times!

[@frankfeitoza6211]

I read an a account from the us naval proceedings magazine about the Falklands War. In which the Argentinean Submarine "San Luis" fired wire guided torpedoes at Royal Nave ships. In all cases the CO of the San Luis said that the wires broke. My question to any one was/is this a common thing with wire guided torpedoes???? Here is a story by Sebastien Roblin about the San Luis. For most of the war, a lone Argentine diesel submarine, the San Luis, opposed the Royal Navy at sea. Not only did the San Luis return home unscratched by the more than two hundred antisubmarine munitions fired by British warships and helicopter, but it twice ambushed antisubmarine frigates. Had the weapons functioned as intended, the British victory might have been bought at a much higher cost.

[@RonJohn63]

13:44 Were the necessary wires thin enough at the time?

[@ToreDL87]

How did navies react to the appearance of cannon? Well, the Swedish tried it first, as a means of solely sinking enemy ships (that we know of), but the Danish, Germans, Russians and Polish didnt care and went in for close boarding action anyway. It sort of took everyone wanting to do the same, for the cannon to become mainstay.

[@scottygdaman]

Another fine drydock Just finished Tincan Titans. Wow. Lots and lots of destroyer action.

[@scottdrone-silvers5179]

Drach complaining about American English is always good for a laugh 😂. I am reminded of the scene in the movie Waterloo where the British are having a full-on ball and get the news that the French have stolen a march on them. Wellington (portrayed by Christopher Plummer) remarks that Napoleon is not a gentleman, and his escort remarks “Arthur, you’re such an Englishman”

[@Tepid24]

I love medieval artwork. The guy at 50:00 looks like the galaxy brain meme.

[@scipioafricanus6417]

Where is the video about ancient ship artillery?

[@Drachinifel]

Within the next few weeks

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

No way! Drach is another Kingston Engineer... High five, friend! EDIT: Make that a high-elbow... You know, on account of the plague and all.

[@bjorntorlarsson]

The question at 4:44 I find interesting! What technologies might've been developed earlier given enough attention? I would think torpedoes. Complicated things, but in the age of electrification, motorization, relativity theory, quantum physics and very innovative entrepreneurship it seems to me that one could've improved torpedoes earlier with more effort Another loose thought of mine is that airborne scouts in ship-towed manned hot air balloons or kites could've been explored more earlier. Fa 330 Bachstelze was used in the Indian Ocean by Type XI uboats in ww2. Perhaps not to such great effect there and then, but in many situations it must've be good to see a bit further beyond the horizon. (When I first heard of Twitter, my reaction was that it will not come to anything, there are already so many short message services around. Well well well as the sea said as it heaved itself. It's only easy in hindsight.)

[@stephaniewilson3955]

Postpone your trip at least 6 months. The USA will be in chaos within a week or two.

[@williamcooper126]

Retired yank Submariner here and It is pronounced Bah-lay-oh thanks as always for the great videos!

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

"hopefully it will have calmed down by April" **Laughs in January 2022**

[@wamyx8Nz]

I'd love to see a video on the potential for ramjet assisted shells using modern guidance technology. To be brief, a ramjet is a very simple and efficient air-breathing engine that only works at supersonic speeds. No moving parts. Some missiles have used them, but need an expensive and large booster to reach the supersonic speeds at which the ramjet takes over. I feel like a 16" or 18" shell fired at supersonic speeds and aided with the ramjet could attain a range of a couple hundred miles, and carry a high explosive or depleted uranium payload to great effect at less cost than say, cruise missiles. A modern nuclear-powered battleship firing such shells could actually be a money saver given how often the U.S. likes to lob cruise missiles random places to make a point.

[@billbrockman779]

What year is that Popular Science magazine from? Wonderful cover illustration!

[@darrellsmith4204]

November 1923. Not sure how to convert that to metric.. ; )

[@Sphere723]

If I remember correctly the US had agreed to not create naval bases in the Philippines as part of the Washington Naval treaty.

[@kemarisite]

Not just the US, but all major (US, UK, Japan) signatories agreed to refrain from building new fortifications and bases on islands in the Pacific. This is spelled out in Article XIX of the treaty.

[@Jason8648776]

Drach if you wanna learn how to shoot and now have extra time do to itinerary changes feel free to come to Maine :) about an hour and a half from Boston and we will teach you so you know a little more about small arms

[@travnickis1]

Know you aren't a plane guy, but "Ki" as in Ki-43 is pronounced "key" which denotes (in this case) "airframe".

[@adamwolson631]

Can you cover the USS San jacinto CL 30. It was the ship my grandfather served on. Thank you

[@GutkowskiMarek]

I decided not to say anything last time but this time I will. Yes! Soviet Navy did develop and fielded torpedo point defense weapons on warships. UDAV-1 is the name of the system. It is used on Kuznietzov and the Kirov class Nuclear Guided Missile Cruisers and I believe Udaloy Guided Missile Destroyer.

[@karlvongazenberg8398]

27:40 6:1 beam ratio - Yes, the A-H Huszár class fex had almost a 11:1 lenght-beam ratio and only one of the 13 ships was lost to enemy (specifically ran on a mine), even when the 450 ton little destroyers often ran into 800+ ton Allied vessels but managed to get out rather hairy situations. However, two were lost to collisions. Therefore I cannot tell that in their case sacrificing manouverablity for speed was or wasn't a good trade.

[@colinsdad1]

Drach- Two points, If I may, Good Sir: 1) I was waiting to see what your answer was concerning what Class or Type of Cruiser could outgun HMS Dreadnaught. I was surprised your answer was "never", if I recall. Wouldn't the USS Alaska (CB-1) and USS Guam's (CB-2) 9X12/50 caliber rifles handily outgun the Dreadnought's main battery? I'm saying this from the perspective of having say, optical fire control only, just to level the field a bit. 2) I'm JUST getting over what I was told was NOT COVID-19, but, a rather nasty strain of Type A influenza. My current workplace is down 35% in staffing while I've been out sick since last Wednesday. I reside in Massachusetts, which is why I bring this up. All I can say is, I've camped on USS Massachusetts since I was a week lad, and, they've only added to not only Mamie, but, the other Museum Ships as well (where else is there a mostly intact Gearing Class on display?). Thank You again for all your hard work to increase our knowledge of Naval power, Past and Present.

[@davidvavra9113]

The Turner Joy in Bremerton, Wa, a lovely ferry ride from Seattle? Surely you have fans at the shipyard!

[@jackray1337]

The image at 18:00 reminds me of a top-down view of a Miranda class ship from Star Trek. The "neutral zone" text reinforces the Trek link.

[@britlitemail]

Do you have a particular recommendation for a good review paper or other publication re: the fluid mechanics that go into hull design? Would definitely like to get some reading in so I can get a better intuition for the implications of various design choices. Cheers.

[@Odin029]

According to my Spanish speaking cousin(who I just texted)... gato is pronounced with a short 'a' sound. Most Americans I've heard say it with a long 'a' but since when has pronouncing stuff wrong ever slowed us down.

[@giupiete6536]

fortunately originating languages don't get copyrights.

[@christopherconard2831]

Oops, you mentioned the forbidden C word. Demonetized! Try calling it Dave. The algorithms still don't fear Dave.

[@giupiete6536]

They will if Dave becomes popular enough, gotta demonetize 'em all!

[@benjaminpoole2538]

Question: HMS Nelson / Rodney were alleged to have very hydrodynamic hull designs, but only 45,000 shp on two screws for approximately 21kts. How much extra power could be put through two screws, fitted into the ship and what speed increase in speed could be achieved? 25? How much more useful/effective would they be given their traditional deployments?

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Benjamin Poole - Max speed on the Nelsons was 23 knots. The 2 screws could conceivably take 70,000 shp, without shaking either themselves or the ship apart, which might have given them an extra 3-4 knots. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Nelson_(28) www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-01BB-Nelson.htm

[@stephenbond1990]

Isn't there a palmerston fort on the medway that was an early torpedo battery that used wire guided torpedoes? It was on the One show a while back.

[@markdurre2667]

For the Australian colony navies, check out HMVS Cerberus (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMVS_Cerberus), which can still be seen in Port Phillip bay, sunk as a breakwater. The current naval base HMAS Cerberus is named after her.

[@akoponen]

How about a Vesuvious type weapon mounted on a submarine used for stealthy night bombardment?

[@KR4FTW3RK]

I think we'll need a 5 minute guide to hydrodynamics now and I'm looking forward to that.

[@jayfrank1913]

Nguyen is usually pronounced like "wen." or "nWEN." It's one of if not THE most popular Vietnamese names.

[@jayfrank1913]

@Hoàng Dũng Nguyễn Did I get the pronunciation right? I'm just an American old enough to remember the war. I was a child, but it was on TV every night.

[@jayfrank1913]

@Hoàng Dũng Nguyễn Also, their are tons of Vietnamese people on the West Coast of the US. I bet their aren't that many in the UK.

[@jayfrank1913]

@Hoàng Dũng Nguyễn Thank you!

[@jayfrank1913]

@Hoàng Dũng Nguyễn And sorry about the whole American War thing, no matter what side you were on, all we did was make sure the most possible people died,

[@jayfrank1913]

@Hoàng Dũng Nguyễn Exactly, except we Americans went full batshit on everything that moved. I don't feel any personal guilt, just apologizing for my country.

[@glenchapman3899]

HMAS Platypus is a submarine base, and if you know anything about the lifestyle of a platypus it actually makes perfect sense (to an Australian at least) to name such a base that way

[@giupiete6536]

the trouble with that is anything at all can make sense to an Australian =)

[@gossythepadre]

Drachinifel, I have a quick counter historical question. What do you think the retention of the 4 iron dukes and tiger could have had of ww2. Do they have any practical use.

[@theguyeverybodylikes9667]

The iron dukes would've been near useless, they were basically a worse R class, but lacking the punching power to comfortably take on most of the battleships of the axis if they needed to do so. The tiger has a bit more use but overall still has the same punching power issue as the iron dukes, but it makes up for it with speed. Personally how i'd see their careers playing out is that the iron dukes would be used for convoy escort roles just like the R class. The tiger on the other hand would i'd say see more frontline service due to her speed, i'd say that she would serve with the mediterranean fleet until outbreak of the pacific war, when she would be assigned to there instead of repulse. Depending on how things go she gets sunk along with PoW (as is what historically happened with repulse and PoW), or she survives and after the dissolution of the eastern fleet gets sent back to the med. After the italian capitulation going north to serve as convoy escort for the arctic convoys. After german capitulation she would stay in brittain until the end of ww2, after which she'd get scrapped (since brittain didn't have the money to keep a museum ship around, she'd find herself in the same situation as warspite)

[@Kabayoth]

Drachinifel, Patrick O'Brien had essentially two ships he referenced in his books: HMS Sophie and, more famously, HMS Surprise. While these are fictitious ships, are they fictitious ship classes? Next, the lesson of Admiral Nelson's military success appears to be: he who has the stones to sail in and shoot wins (the battle of Copenhagen comes up as particularly risky in this regard) how is it the French, Dutch, and Spanish never caught on to blunt these aggressive tactics? Last, I understand Vice Admiral Villeneuve set to sea the day of Trafalgar in part because Napoleon had already dispatched Villeneuve's replacement. Was Villeneuve trying to save face, or was he aware this other admiral was on the way at all?

[@Fast85FoxGT]

The glass half full mentality about your trip being at stake is extremely admirable.

[@jamespfp]

55:10 -- RE: Royal Navy doesn't tolerate putting the ship into danger; As Winston Churchill is famously remembered for saying, that is "Something up with which [they] shall not put." #GrammarWin

[@Loweko1170]

In the years up to WW1 the Royal Navy were touting a kind of "British colony naval starter pack", consisting of a battlecruiser, several cruisers, and destroyer squadrons. That's why Australia and New Zealand ended up with their battlecruisers. I like to imagine there was an outlet store somewhere in Portsmouth, with the ambassadors dropping by to check out the showroom...

[@billsteen1092]

On the question of ships that garnered a particularly fierce reputation with opposing countries, one that comes to mind in WW2 might be "Battleship X." It may be more the idea of some unknown ship out there, sort of like the boogy man battleship, rather than the exploits like what the USS South Dakota did, but when the Japanese start reporting specifically that THE "Battleship X" has been sunk, I think on more than one occasion, the idea at least of that ship gets elevated to a special status.

[@ShadrachVS1]

Drach, how do you trip up on Balao?! Have you not seen Down Periscope?!

[@Dorcolac990]

Here we go again, couldn't wait... :)

[@benwilson6145]

In the Victorian era the "worry" in Australia was an attack/invasion by Russia, maybe an interesting concept.

[@thomasjamison2050]

Drach, watching your show on the USS Vesuvius, have you covered Winans steam cannon from the Civil War along with his armored ship designs and their fates?

[@harrykilman5634]

The University of Colorado at Boulder football stadium is commissioned as the USS Folsom Field. Among other things this building housed (when I was attending) the Naval ROTC classrooms and offices.

[@alexl.4170]

"Blood, Tears, Explosions, and Wreckage over the water". I'm picturing a Jackass style opening cinematic. 'HI, I'm Kenny Rogers and this is the 45 Knot destroyer challange...'

[@harryrcarmichael]

More details on hydrodynamics please -

[@workingguy-OU812]

Any good to great stories of individual landing craft (of any type, troop or equipment carriers)?

[@tkl6226]

I'd like to know what if the "Bulbous bow" is present in all ww2 ships ...

[@MS-gr2nv]

Subic bay and Cubi point were the large US Naval bases and NAS in Philipines, been to both. Clark field was there already for AAF and later USAF.

[@arthurblackburn5851]

Drach how accurate do you think the WoWs paper ships like the zao are to what they would’ve looked like if they’d been built?

[@deathwish3611]

Anything with Australia you have my attention!

[@CTXSLPR]

Considering what typhoons did to Japanese ships in peacetime... Maybe that wouldn’t have worked out so bad for Admiral Halsey....

[@harryrcarmichael]

And fire control systems - an episode or 5 on fire control.

[@Eulemunin]

Hull design video please

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

This was a juicy episode🧃

[@paulwillson8887]

Some charts of Newfoundland and the Gulf of St.Lawrence were based on ones made by James Cook in the 18th century. And not replaced until the Canadian government resurveyed them in the post WW 2 era

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

I am in the US and you pronounce the sub classes just fine. But my mum was English!

[@kkupsky6321]

I don’t know what you did to the English language - Drach. Making valid points ca. always.

[@thomas316]

I'm surprised that zig-zag torpedoes never made an appearance, you would thing a spread to turning torpedoes would be able to cover more area.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Thomas - The Germans used “Pattern Running” Torpedoes from 1942-1945 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7e_torpedo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_torpedoes_of_Germany www.uboataces.com/torpedo-tiiia.shtml

[@nathanbrown8680]

@15:00 Aren't the American subs of that era all named for fish species? You could try to consult a marine biologist. @32:00 Another obvious time to favor adding power over adding length is when adding length would prevent you from fitting into the locks on the Panama Canal. Not a big deal for Japan or Italy, but a very big deal for the U.S. and I would assume pretty important to the U.K. or France or anyone else with coasts or colonies on both the Atlantic and Pacific.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Nathan Brown - The Suez Canal was more important to the Brits & the French than the Panama Canal in both WW1 & WW2.

[@nathanbrown8680]

@@TraditionalAnglican Suez may have been more important in history as it actually happened, but nobody could be sure that was how things would turn out. If there had been no war in 1914 it's not impossible that Anglo-French relations would have broken down and Japan gone after French colonies with England closing the Suez to them. In that timeline having built ships that couldn't traverse the Panama Canal would have bit them hard. The timeline where Franco joins the Axis and closes the Straights of Gibraltar doesn't reward such choices either. Nor does the unlikely in retrospect but not implausible at the time one where they never figure out a counter to magnetic mines and German or Italian bombers seed the Suez with those. "I don't need to worry about Panama because I have Suez," can never be as confident as "I don't need to worry about Panama because I have no overseas colonies except in Africa."

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Nathan Brown “Panamax” referred to the Maximum dimensions of a ship that could pass through the Panama Canal. Until recently, that was ~290m x 32.3m x 12m - The Essexes & the Iowas were wider (~33m) & had to squeeze through. As the US was already building aircraft carriers the Panama Canal couldn’t accommodate, the USN dropped the idea that naval warships had to be able to pass through the canal. GB was allied with Japan when elements of the Russian Baltic Fleet were allowed to traverse the Suez Canal in 1904. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamax groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.military.naval/eN26M_3yO8E maritime-connector.com/wiki/panamax/

[@kennethdeanmiller7324]

And speaking of ships that must have gained a fearsome reputation with it's enemies, although you did not include it the USS Enterprise, after the Japanese had claimed to have sunk the US carrier on several/ numerous occasions that the ship got the nickname "Grey Ghost". So it leads me to think that CV-6 must have certainly built up quite a fearsome reputation among the Japanese.

[@whiskeytangosierra6]

I also pronounce Balao the way you do, and I am a Texan, however, there are at least 5 distinct accent groups in Texas so... Enjoyable as always. Too bad the BeerBug is screwing things up.

[@craigpalmer9196]

the four days battle, how can you fight for 4 days?