The Drydock - Episode 214

[@crabmansteve6844]

Drach, I am *extremely* thankful you haven't given in to the algorithm and started making short videos. I personally still possess an attention span longer than 60 seconds and I always look for long format (>60min) videos and your channel is a bastion of hope and joy for me. Some of my other favorite content creators have over the past 2 years begun to acquiesce and it sucks.

[@holmanjag]

I also want to extend this thankyou for these long videos drach. These make great background noise in general to help people like myself whose on the autism and adhd spectrum or get my brain into gear so I can function as a human and do adulting things like (work. Housecleaning. Paperwork ect) so my brain just doesn't implode on itself. There's other situations like in hard depression and anxiety episodes these videos really help. Sorry if this reads jumbled by the way but I thought I'd extend my thanks from myself or those folks who relate to this.

[@the_undead]

A piece of content that I can recommend do it be on the KZbin channel Linus Tech tips every Friday they do a livestream just going over Tech news for that week, over the past six months I think the shortest one was pretty much exactly 1 hour, the most recent one was four and a half hours

[@connorjohnson7834]

I'm pretty sure after he's figured out the makeup for the Littorio's armour, Drach is going to make a section of it, take it to the point he calculated the 15 inch guns outside the Imperial War Museum would hit, then fire said guns to see what happens. All while trying to follow the shell with his drone.

[@BestAnswer12549]

Roma is not that deep. Maybe an expedition can go down there and see how the armor is made up of.

[@NathanOkun]

1.29” steel plate is minimum for a 16” APC shell decapping using crimping or low-temperature solder (usual kind). Krupp used a much stronger high-temperature solder needing 3.2-3.52” to decap its 16” APC shells. Thus, shell size and metallurgy both affect decapping ability of steel plates.

[@mageleader3699]

Quick note on the museum ships question. USS The Sullivans, which many people will recognize due to her recent near-disaster, shares her name with an Arleigh-Burke class destroyer. I worked for Bath Iron Works, the company that built her newer incarnation.

[@kaisersnider8593]

Little Rock that is next to her also has a current ship in service LCS-9. They did a little commissioning ceremony next to the WW2 ship a few years ago.

[@dankmeme682]

I will be referring to this channel when I start construction on my battleship

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

It is quite helpful for UAD games, though it only helps to a certain degree

[@greenseaships]

Drach is the whole reason I built my HMS Warspite! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaW9nWCHpNdsrq8

[@troymcmahon488]

Regarding the Union blockage, I believe that the Union had too few regular warships to enforce the blockade so they basically purchased a large number of civilian ships and armed them. The Union also captured a number of islands along the Confederate coast to serve as bases to support the blockade (e.g. Roanoke Island, Port Royal, ext.) so they would have had less problems keeping their ships supplied and coaled.

[@RedXlV]

Triple 5"/38s actually *were* considered for the North Carolina class secondary battery. Several of the early preliminary designs (Schemes A, B, C, and D of 1934) called for them. The triple 5"/38 concept was discarded well before the finalized design came about, though.

[@michaelkovacic2608]

Hey Drach, thanks a lot for doing my question and being willing to take on this whole spaced armor/decapping plate issue. I would like to add a few things here. First of all, there is a German document from 1941 available online (although in German), where German engineers discuss the differences in the designs of Bismarck and Richelieu, as more details on the latter became known after the fall of France. Long story short, one of the issues talked about is the possibility of increasing the resistance of the main belt. German engineers were of the opinion that the angling of the main belt, as done with Richelieu, wasn't really worth it (since angled belts have, of course, their downsides) and a better approach would be a decapping plate as done with the Littorio. They specified that a "Vorpanzer" of at least 60mm, but better 100mm, should be placed "a considerable distance" before a 250mm, but better 300mm thick main belt. This apparently means that such a spaced array is better than an equivalent 310mm to 400mm thick belt. I consider this to be a rather bold statement, since a 400mm belt should offer an excellent immune zone against pretty much any contemporary gunfire. On the other hand, German engineers did a very good job with Bismarck's and Scharnhorst's scarp triangles, so they certainly knew a bit about decapping. Another thing is that the Italians apparently gave up on the spaced array with the Littorio's planned successor, but I never did a lot of research on these particular ships, so I might be wrong here. And when it comes to spaced armor, the big elephant in the room is of course the Bismarck's spaced armor array, especially the 50mm deck/145mm upper belt plus the 80mm/95mm main deck. Nathan Okun did this excellent, very extensive study of the Bismarck's armor scheme, but afaik, he only writes that it offered "a good possibility of detonating a shell before reaching the main deck", indicating that the two-deck upper hull offered pretty much enought space to detonate shells made by the British or US. But this isn't really enough to judge 100% if the system would have worked as intended or not (I hope that I didn't miss anything when reading the article, if so, I am very sorry) The same document from which I quoted above also claimed that the deck protection of Richelieu and Bismarck was roughly equal. Given that Richelieu had this extremely thick 150mm/170mm deck that is theoretically impregnable to pretty much any kind of ordnance according to navweaps (but nevertheless got defeated by USS Massachusetts' 16inch shell, indicating low armor quality), this indicates imo that German engineers had a lot of faith in their spaced armor system. The barbettes of Bismarck and Tirpitz between the 50mm upper armor deck and the 95mm (Bismarck) or 100mm (Tirpitz) main armor deck were 220mm thick. The reason for this relatively thin armor is that German tests indicated that a decapped shell would always shatter against barbette armor half its diameter in thickness, thus the barbettes should be able to defeat shells up to 440mm, therefore giving protection against any Allied BB shell. My problem with this is that the 220mm armor began immediately below the 50mm deck, so that I have a hard time believing that a shell hitting just at the joint would be defeated, since AP caps do not vanish into thin air and need some space to detach from the shell. Above the 50mm deck, and thus without extra protection, the barbettes were of a uniform 340mm thickness on Bismarck. However, on Tirpitz, sections of the barbettes that couldn't be hit without the shell passing through the superstructure first were thinned out to 220mm. Apparently, her designers thought that the superstructure would act as a large decapping plate, so that only decapped shells or (in case of detonation before impact) shell fragments would reach these 220mm portions of the barbette. So yeah, the level of decapping and spaced armor on which the Bismarck class BBs relied is unmatched by any WW2 era BB. One thing that is particularly annoying from a scientific view is the fact that we don't know exactly how well the above systems would have worked, and this leads to fans of the Axis battleships to claim that the worked perfectly, while their opponents will claim that the systems performed very poorly and that Allied Battleship construction was overall better. This issue is not so bad with the Littorio afaik, but the Bismarck is obviously this massively polarizing ship. Regarding Tirpitz, both of her armor decks were defeated by a 1600 pound bomb during later attacks in August 1944, but this bomb failed to detonate. On the one hand, this seems to suggest that her horizontal protection could be defeated and massive internal damage caused, but we need to keep in mind that the 50mm upper deck was designed to render the fuse inoperable. If the fuse had worked properly, there is a good chance that the bomb would have detonated before reaching the 80mm/100mm main armor deck, although that's obviously not guaranteed. But since no bomb aside from the Talboys ever did Tirpitz lethal damage, I believe we can carefully say that her defenses against single-engined bombers were sufficient. Again, thanks for your time on this issue. Cheers from Austria :)

[@nicokern7615]

Hast Du einen Link zu diesem deutschen Artikel von 1941?

[@michaelkovacic2608]

@@nicokern7615 Bei mir wurden schon öfter Kommentare mit Links gelöscht, aber du kannst einfach "Vergleich zwischen Richelieu und Bismarck" googlen, ist gleich das 1. Suchergebnis.

[@nicokern7615]

@@michaelkovacic2608 auf der kbismarck-Seite?

[@michaelkovacic2608]

@@nicokern7615 ja genau.

[@camenbert5837]

34.43, there's a marvellous irony that the only party who could pull off the jeune ecole is the one nation who really didn't have any need to make up for a technological or economic disadvantage. Imagine a ww2-era american jeune ecole. You could probably walk from Florida to the great lakes on the torpedo boats...

[@champagnegascogne9755]

1:08:23 USS Alabama name has been used for the Ohio-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBN). USS Wisconsin name will be used for the upcoming Columbia-class SSBNs. SSBN Alabama is still on active service ever since the late 80's. SSBN Wisconsin will be the second submarine of the Columbia-class in the future.

[@genericpersonx333]

00:10:41 - Why did the Soviet Union consider designs that followed treaty restrictions when it was not a party to the naval treaties? It should also be noted that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was trying to earn its way back into normal diplomatic relations with the world at large after a generation of effective pariah status. A very simple but powerful concept in formal diplomacy going back to the 17th century was that if one wanted to be allowed to participate in the general forum of states, one's state needed to come to the forum having shown a commitment to forum principles beforehand. It behooved the Soviets to already show commitment to the popular principle of naval limitation, improving the odds of successfully earning the diplomatic respect of the naval powers. If nothing else, it eliminated the need to dismantle a non-compliant fleet as a prerequisite for negotiations with the likes of the UK or USA.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Didn't you sort of just answer your own question? What's the point of not following the naval treaty if you want to get into the good graces of the world? Also there really is no point in going outside of treaty limits for a Navy at the time barely did any Blue water activity anyway.

[@genericpersonx333]

​@@WALTERBROADDUS I asked no question of my own. I supplemented Drach's answer to another question by emphasizing more on the diplomatic angle than he did. Nothing more.

[@greenseaships]

DON'T FORGET the Alabama SSBN-731! Also, if you consider (as I do) the USS Arizona BB-39, then she too is getting a sub named after her/us in Arizona.

[@metaknight115]

Hey Drach, when are we going to get that extended video about the Japanese Kongo class "fast battleships"? It would be cool to see the extended version of their career, especially Hiei and Kirishima (since they sank stuff larger than a destroyer escort).

[@highmolecularweightRDX]

Haruna is okay

[@CSSVirginia]

I'm looking forward to that as well. They interest me due to them seeing way more combat than most other IJN capital ships.

[@metaknight115]

@@highmolecularweightRDX I've never really been into Haruna. All she ever saw was shore bombardment, and Samar, where she didn't even hit a single ship.

[@aw34565]

Great video. Also the French museum submarine Argonaute which shares a name with a modern submarine rescue vessel FS Argonaute. And the Italian built U.S. Navy bathyscaphe Trieste which shares a name with the Italian Navy's new aircraft carrier.

[@richardcutts196]

00:10:41 I had wondered the same thing, until I read that the post war treaty that settled the differences (as a result of WW1 and the allied intervention after the war) between the UK and the USSR required that the USSR restrict it's ship sizes to match the appropriate naval treaties. However, as far as I know, there were no total tonnage limitations imposed. Much as the Anglo-German naval agreement imposed the same restrictions, along with total tonnage limitations, did on Germany.

[@timengineman2nd714]

I've always felt that the reason why various torpedo defense systems underperformed during WW2 was that all but the Japanese Navy went to a slightly to moderate larger warhead and a much more effective explosive and these systems were designed to protect against basically a WW1 torpedo of (mainly) 21". (The Japanese Navy as most of you know went for a HUGE warhead! Although they kept an explosive that was basically TNT, the increase in the warhead more than made up for it!)

[@SynchroScore]

For museum ships sharing names with current ships, USS _Silversides_ (SS-236) is a _Gato_-class submarine afloat in Muskegon, Michigan. She made fourteen war patrols and sank 90,000 tons of shipping. She has two, a _Sturgeon_-class (SSN-679), in commission from 1972-1994, and the upcoming _Virginia_-class (SSN-807). While not technically a warship, the icebreaker USCGC _Mackinaw_ (WAGB-83), commissioned 1944-2006 and now docked as a museum ship in Mackinaw City, Michigan, shares the name of her successor, WLBB-30

[@DeliveryMcGee]

On red-hot guns: Also keep in mind that the heavies have enough mass that they're probably going to have to worry about cooking off before the tube gets hot enough to lose temper. Machine gun barrels, on the other hand ... well, there's a reason they're quick-change and the gun crew carries extra. An air-cooled gun only takes a couple thousand rounds without giving it time to cool before the barrel is ruined, so if you're manning a .50 on a ship during one of the big battles in WWII, or an M60 during a hectic night in Vietnam, you change out the barrel for a cold one and let the used one cool whenever you get a chance, hopefully before you've overheated it too much. And then there was one famous action in France in 1916 where a British Vickers gun crew fired a million rounds through 100 barrels on the same gun in 12 hours, stopping only to swap barrels when one literally wore out (it was a water-cooled gun.) And that was in combat conditions.

[@DeliveryMcGee]

On larger guns, well, there are photos from WWI at battles like the Somme showing piles of spent artillery cartridge cases the size of an Aldi grocery store. The guns got to cool off when they ran out of ammo and had to wait for the factories to make and deliver more. In 1915, they literally ran out and had to spin up new factories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Crisis_of_1915 Hmm, why does that sound familiar?

[@MrNicoJac]

They were in combat for 12 hours straight, and sat right next to their entire army's ammo dump?? 👀

[@paidwitness797]

@@MrNicoJac Accounts from that battle do seem to have a few inconsistencies between first hand reports and War Diaries, most likely 100k rounds were fired from 1 gun team, 6 (or 10, records differ) teams in total for that engagement, in the aftermath many were found asleep at their guns due to exhaustion. However at the end of service in 1968 with the gun and its ammo being retired the British army did put 5m rounds through it over 7 days, stopping to change worn out barrels, at the end of that the gun was inspected and was still within service specs.

[@MissJediMouse]

While he was in the RAAF rather than the RAN, in my grandfather's experience most of his WW2 era hearing damage came from the more 'regular' and constant noise of machinery built without any real grasp of noise dampening.

[@arb732]

Alabama has an Ohio class sub named after her and Wisconsin will have an up and coming next gen boomer sub. Just FYI that all BB museums will have an active sub named after them. Gotta keep fighting ships name's alive.

[@Packer910]

The second Columbia class sub (SSBN-827) will be USS Wisconsin

[@zzirSnipzz1]

Standard across alot of navies, Prince of wales and Queen elizabeth are named after the ww2 ships, Warspite has been decomissioned but the new Warspite will be a Dreadnought class sub. New HMS Belfast also coming

[@jonathanstrong4812]

LIKE THE WW-2 ALL BATCHS OF THE TOWN-CLASS LIGHT-CRUISERS OF THE ROYAL-NAVY EXCEPT THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND THE CITY OF NOTTINGHAM WHICH WHO WAS THE NAMESAKE OF THE BATCH 1 THROUGH BATCH 3 TYPE-42 GUIDED-MISSILE-DESTROYERS IN THAT CASE ONLY THE DUBLIN WHICH WHO WEREN'T SELECTED THEY SHOULD OF MAKING THE HMS LIVERPOOL WHICH WHO WAS WHERE DURING WW2 WHICH WHO WAS WHERE THE SECOND BATTLE OF THE NORTH-ATLANTIC WHICH WHO WAS FOUGHT THEY MADE A SERIES OF MISTAKEN THINKING ABOUT NOT HONORING THE VETERAN'S OF THE FALKLAND-WAR LIKE THE HERMES OR THE INVINCIBLE OR THE FEARLESS OR THE BATCH-3S DDG'S

[@michaelpiatkowskijr1045]

There's going to be a boomer USS Arizona that's under construction now. There was talk about one of the Ford's being Arizona. I don't remember where I've heard this at, but it was some news article I read.

[@darrellsmith4204]

This may be a little obscure, but to destroy a sub named Wisconsin all you need to do is name a sub chaser Ohio State.

[@808bigisland]

Cooling gun barrels is important due to drooping when heated. The barrel expands and sags. Wear increases the hotter the barrel and the more basic metallurgy.

[@jestemzpolski8558]

50:00 saving this jam for the future

[@davidmcintyre8145]

On museum ships sharing names with current vessels there are also historic ship names some held by museum/preserved vessels used by shore facilities such as HMS President and HMS Gannet

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Regarding the use of foamed concrete within spaced armour, I assume it would also be effective if, say, your foundries were only able to produce armour plate to a limited thickness - i.e. the Soviets being unable to make the correct thickness of armour for the Sov. Soyuzes?

[@newreality5295]

Could you do a video on the H.L. Hunley, or maybe a video talking about rediscovered naval wrecks. Such as Bismarck, USS Indianapolis, HL Hunley once again …etc. Disregard the poor gramar

[@Ricky40369]

Drach, how did/do submarines seal their active equipment from the sea at high depth pressures? In other words radar, periscopes and of course torpedo interfaces. Did they use a combination of ceramics and/or rubberish chevron products, or something much more exotic?

[@Ricky40369]

At last, my Sunday fix. I was starting to get the shakes.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Even if the decapping plate didn't work as intended could that cause the rounds to tumble which would reduce it's effective to not much against 11 inches of armour even if the void space is small. Also from your armour video I might have mis remembered but wasn't the Italian armour good for battleships so let's say 3 inches does nothing at all that 11inch would be the equivalent to a very inefficient American 12 and a bit inch belt on the North Carolina's, Iowa's and South Dekota's?

[@michaelkovacic2608]

The American 12inch belts are vastly overrated, in my opinion. Against the high-velocity 15inch guns of the Axis battleships they would quickly have been out of immunity. And the Japanese 18inch gun needs no special mention, of course.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@michaelkovacic2608 I have to agree when you look at all other battleships armour at the time, the American one is quite thin and there battleship armour was not the best in armour penetrative per inch, it was one of the worst.

[@michaelkovacic2608]

@@Alex-cw3rz yes, the SD and Iowa classes had a 310mm belt. Although angled, that's even thinner than the 315mm belt found on Tirpitz or the 320mm belt found on Bismarck, and those belts weren't even designed to be impregnable at realistic combat distances, relying on the turtleback behind it. The SD didn't get nine 16inch rifles on 35000 tons for free, and for an 45000 ton ship that had a potential 18inch gunned adversary, 310mm is very lackluster.

[@Kwolfx]

About the question, "Did the Union have the same troubles enforcing the blockade on the CSA as the French had on the Germans?" at 34:58 One of the reasons the Union Navy didn't suffer the manpower shortage the French Navy had during the Franco-Prussian War had to do with the reasonably good pay that was offered by the Union Navy. (I think it was $15 or a month.) During the American Civil War close to 500,000 foreign born men served in the Union Military, mostly in the Union Army. About 50,000 of those men were Canadians. Unlike; for example German or Irish immigrants, most of the these Canadians didn't immigrate to the United States, instead they served in the Union Navy for the steady and reasonably safe pay; for that time during a war, and went back home after the war ended.

[@magnemoe1]

Spaced armor, I think the Iowa's has an spaced deck armor. Deck is much easier as you will have two decks above the armor, also the purpose was more to trigger the fuses on aircraft bombs.

[@mageleader3699]

I'm trying to find more in-depth information about the Connecticut class pre-dreadnoughts. Are there any books you might recommend? I have had a difficult time finding anything other than the bare minimum both online and in books about pre-dreadnoughts generally.

[@hamishneilson7140]

Are there any examples of shipwrecks where two or more ships are lying on top of one another or are directly connected in some way?

[@jonathan_60503]

Would a ship in reserves get it's anticorrosion / anti-growth paint kept up with the way an active ships would? On the one hand it probably isn't suffering the wear to it that an active ship would. But it might go a lot longer between inspection or drydocking -- could that more than offset the issue? Also, as various museum ship staff have said, a ship normally rusts from the inside. A ship in reserve might be getting better dehumidification and checking for water accumulation than a museum ship; or it might not. So a lot would depend on the effort put into maintaining it in the reserves.

[@kanrakucheese]

I've found ads for "Ear-Drum Protector" by the "Safety Ear Drum Protector Company" from 1918 and J. A R. Elliott's patented "Elliott Perfect Ear Protectors" from 1920. That suggests they had more than cotton ball available for hearing protection for WW2, at least in the US. Recall hearing of German patented product as well, but who knows if any of this was ever issued.

[@Zeppflyer]

I believe Sail Cargo's batteries are charged via an underwater prop that is spun by the flow of water as she travels under sail. I don't know if it is also the propulsion prop or not.

[@mojorasin653]

As to the matter of Gunners Matees losing hearing from gunfire, my experience was that that if one was at a station where they were behind the muzzle blast and behind a weather/blast shield as were loaders and gun captains they experienced much more noise from the gas ejection air and the noise of machinery than the gun firing. Massed smaller caliber guns on deck that were operated by ships crew tha were not rated as Gunners Mates (cooks, supply, ship servicemen etc.) though experienced the effects of being in close proximaty to the muzzle blasts of the gun next to them.

[@thibaudduhamel2581]

Hey Drach, don't know if that question's already been asked, but do you someday plan on visiting the replica frigate "Hermione" in France? They often take volunteers for a few days of sailing and your take on it would be incredible (plus Rochefort, her home port, is the equivalent of chatam dockyard and it would be interesting to point out the differences between the two shore installations)

[@jonathan_60503]

You weren't kidding about the US driving the trend of museum ships sharing names with active ones. The battleships you mentioned do/will have namesakes. USS Wisconsin (BB-64) is scheduled to get an next-gen SSBN sharing her name, the Columbia-class USS Wisconsin (SSBN-827) USS Alabama (BB-60) didn't get a Virginia-class sharing her name because there was already an Ohio-class (SSBN-731) of that name And then flipping through the rest of the US museum ships on wikipedia I see: The Fletcher-class USS Kidd (DD-661) shared her name with the Kidd-class DDG-993 and now the Burke-class DDG-100 The Cleveland-class USS Little Rock (CL-92) maybe embarrassed to be sharing her name with the LCS-9 As I saw someone already mentioned USS The Sullivans (DD-537) shared her name with a Burke-class DDG-68. And then some of the US museum submarines (Gato and Balao classes) had their fish names reused in Sturgeon-class nuclear subs (themselves long since decommissioned) - Batfish, Cavalla, Drum - while the USS Silversides did as well but also has a planned Virginia-class (SSN-807) on the way. Similarly the USS Olympia (C-6) used to share her name with the Los Angeles-class SSN-717, and the 1776 gunboat USS Philadelphia shared her name with several ships most recently the Los Angeles-class SSN-690, while the USS Yorktown shared her name with the Ticonderoga-class CG-48 Then an honorable mention, the 1813 Brig, USS Niagra, though sunk for preservation for nearly a century and it's unclear if the ship today should be considered the same one as then, has over the years shared a name with no less than 7 commissioned ships of the US Navy!

[@lesliemitchell4984]

Get well soon

[@DavidLopez-nc5pq]

Spaced armor question: Are the multiple decks most warships seem to have (fuse-initiating deck, main protection deck, anti-spalling deck) not considered to be "spaced armor"? Why does this form of protection seem to be touted as more effective than a single deck of equivalent total thickness, in the way belt armor is? Or is it a matter of context (deck weight vs belt weight, and bomb size/energy vs shell size/energy)?

[@beaker126]

Just a speculation, but in the case of shells, I would imagine they would have a little less energy coming down vs a straight on shot like against the belt armor. For bombs, it's likely because the fusing is different.

[@davidlow8104]

The distance between the decks is far larger

[@nathandecrom2409]

the simple fact is that unless we come up with a sailing cargo ship that has the ability to carry containers and have them be offloaded they will remain gimaks

[@davidsachs4883]

Aside from the possibility of damaging the gun steel’s temper from cooling with buckets water, my concern would be: By unevenly cooling the barrel we could slightly warp the barrel making it less accurate for long range shots

[@kanrakucheese]

How is the word “speccy” (???) in “??? and mail vessel” at 52:30 spelled?

[@Drachinifel]

Specie

[@notshapedforsportivetricks2912]

Good to see Drach doing a recap on the decap. Sorry Officer. It won't happen again.

[@rorypenstock1763]

Where can I find more information about wire-wound guns? It sounds like an intriguing technology. Why wasn't it used more often?

[@nektulosnewbie]

The bigger issue with reactivating warships now is that a warship would be sufficiently out of date that an upgrade to modern standards would most likely last longer than the war itself. It's why the mothball fleet these days is almost entirely support and supply ships that do not require nearly anywhere such treatment before being sent off. Electronics is the biggest thing with ships now. It's why the idea now is to limit service life to 20 years as the hull is now such a small part of the ships price that it's cheaper to build an entirely new ship than to refit an older one.

[@davidvik1451]

Was the German Naval operations of WWII a sort of Juene Ecole? Their submarines were a sea denial weapon that had the possibility of starving an enemy to the point of capitulation, but Germany, with a small and choke pointed coast, never came close to having sea control. Sea denial without sea control will not win from a naval stand point.

[@AJMBLAZER]

USS Silversides SS-236 is a museum ship in Muskegon, Michigan.

[@brucejack606]

I wonder if the decapping concreate was used to safe plate,were they short of it?

[@mikus4242]

The crew for the Texas stated that inside the 14” turrets, it was not very loud when firing. The armor of the turret acts as a wonderful sound suppressor.

[@davidbryden7904]

2:58 Drach recaps decap🍻✌️🌏☮️

[@michaelcouch66]

1:06 - actually RN crews COULD benefit from the caputred slaves. RN Ships were awarded "Head Money" per slave liberated - in effect an incentivisation scheme to encourage hunting down the slavers.

[@Drachinifel]

As mentioned in another reply, I based my answer on a series of Amdiralty Court documents bit it looks like need to widen the scope of my reading in that regard. :)

[@camenbert5837]

Is that "prize money" though. Prize money is given for moveable property, and there is no property in a person (which makes prosecuting body-snatchers tricky). As for not stealing forts, can we count Cleopatra's needle as at least 1/2 a point?

[@lex0266]

that ceiba sailcargo vessel will probably have a dual purpose propellor. it can be used to get the ship in to ports. but when sailing it can power a generator to charge the batteries

[@dougjb7848]

2:51 Recap the decap?

[@billbrockman779]

Thank goodness the USN is going back to historic fish names for subs.

[@jonathanstrong4812]

HOT DAMN!

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Agreed!

[@michaelkovacic2608]

That's awesome, yeah

[@jillatherton4660]

Ceiba: A fruit-bearing tree formerly found in the squares of Mexican towns and sacred to the Maya, also known as Zapote. Quite delicious.

[@thomaslinton5765]

Volume or distance?

[@Axel0204]

There is an Ohio-class SSBN is named USS Alabama, the second of the new Columbia-class SSBNs is planned to be named USS Wisconsin, and there is an Arleigh Burke-class DDG named USS The Sullivans. Also, there was a Los Angeles-class SSN named USS Olympia that was just decommissioned last year. There may be more that I am forgetting in the USN that share names with museum ships.

[@jonathanstrong4812]

I THINK IF AND WHEN THE FIRST BATCH OF THE OHIO-CLASS SSBN'S PERHAPS USS FLORIDA WHEN THE SSBN's DECOMMISSIONING SOME-TIME SOON THE FLORIDA'S WHICH WHO'S ENGINE-ROOM COULD BE DECONTAMINATED RENDERING THE ENGINEERING ROOMS FOR PUBLIC-VIEWING AND SAFETY HOW ABOUT MAKING THE FLORIDA AS A PLEASE-TOUCH MUSEUM WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[@Axel0204]

@@jonathanstrong4812 due to the classified nature of US Navy nuclear propulsion technology, that is not likely to happen. The 1st nuclear powered submarine, USS Nautilus SSN-571, is currently a museum, but her engineering spaces are still closed to the public at least partly due to classification issues, and her S2W plant is several generations older than the S8G plant on the Ohio-class.

[@heirofaniu]

48:20: An old sailor/artillerymen/farmer/boilermaker trick is to take cigarette butts and shove those in your ears, the filters make for passable earplugs in a pinch. Of course this is reliant on you having filtered cigarettes and prior to the 1940s or 1950s those were typically considered women's cigarettes.

[@janwitts2688]

One things for sure... the Italians in ww2 knew a lot more about building warships than the USN in 2000

[@KenR1800]

USS Alabama is an Ohio class SSBN and Wisconsin is also planned to be an SSBN too.

[@samstewart4807]

I think you would warp the barrels if you were not very carful with the distribution of water over all of the barrels.

[@davekleiboeker4614]

Hey Dratch, How well did WiFi work on the USS Puerto Rico (CB-5) 🎉

[@giupiete6536]

Roughly @52:40 Specie is pronounced uh.. specie.

[@mdenman4294]

I read that the museum ship HMS Belfast will loose its HMS title when the new one I launched.

[@greenseaships]

Well as of September 8th, all Royal Navy ships lost their HMS title. They are now known as HMS. ;)

[@camenbert5837]

I think the old ones that are out of comission get to keep HMS...

[@serjacklucern4584]

about the Pugliese system: I found out that reading the Book "Aircraft Carrier Impero" written By David Franco Jabes and Stefano Sappino that the Soviet Pugliese was smaller than the Italian one's, "was inferior in costrution quality and was missing some critical parts of the system" this was the report of Ansaldo engenier after ispetioning the hull of the Sovietskaya Ukraina. now I have 2 teory explaning this. 1) Russian naval shenanigans (this was the teory proposed by the book) 2) The italian willing gave wrong data for building the sistem, not a my teory but of a friend of mine, who says that due the Ideological war between fascist Italy and the USSR, the Italian tricked the Soviet, he uses the fact that at soon the soviet got the project of the UP41 after bying it from Italians, the formed sended a copy of the project to the Other Axis power).

[@BHuang92]

How comparable were the US Navy's early coastal battleships to other European powers?

[@comeslittorissaxonici7395]

The ultimate high value low volume cargo is livestock, or even people, surely?

[@johnserrano9689]

You have a good Woman Drach 👍 after rocking the USS constitution with those "lucky ladies" her letting you follow the fun per say is one hell of a good woman 👍🇬🇧👑😜

[@johngregory4801]

She's good with a Ma Deuce and is known to blow up warships when there's "chemistry", truly the happiest sea mine EVER!!! Dude is blessed indeed.

[@johnserrano9689]

@@johngregory4801 "done gone n got kinky" hell yeah

[@alexandersteel7272]

2:49 I see what you did there

[@ilike8590]

Yay

[@dougjb7848]

10:00 In other words, it’s not just about F=ma.

[@javelin2811]

Thanks for the answer Drach! I figured the jump from 15 to 18 was a bit of future proofing so getting the answer to why they only got 16’s on the G3’s was really cool!

[@jonathanstrong4812]

MAJOR BANG-BANG HERE!

[@DazzleCamo]

I think the next nuclear sub was supposed to be Wisconsin, no?

[@hughgordon6435]

In the age of steam, how many colliers did the RN have? Or were coaling stations supplied by contracted colliers?

[@admiralsirrusty3465]

You might want to look into the Cory Bros who controlled the Welsh Rhondda Valley coal supply. They had a contract to supply the RN. The BP oil facility in Essex is still called Coryton if I remember correctly. Richard Cory has a statue in Cardiff docks.

[@hughgordon6435]

@@admiralsirrusty3465 what I was trying to find out was , the Falklands was a Naval coaling station? ,how was the coal supplied? Navy or contractors?

[@derrith1877]

@@hughgordon6435 often by sailing ships on contract

[@bjarkih1977]

Was the decapping plate an effort to save on material? (armour-plate steel). On the radar vs. rangefinder logistics aren't components an issue? And I'm guessing that electronic ones in radar work in the radar's favour since they are more modular and easier to mass produce.

[@hughgordon6435]

Sir?, the second Pacific fleet? Japanese torpedo boats? Which countries in /on the route of the Russians had a Naval treaty with japan? (So Japanese torpedo boats could actually be Japanese allies torpedo boats?)

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Off hand? Nobody.

[@thomaslinton5765]

Recap decap. 😃

[@chrissouthgate4554]

Radar V Range Finders. Range Finders the operator needs to have his eyes on the lenses, this means you have a minimum sized installation. Radar the operator can be at the other end of some wires, so you only space for the ariels/dish high in the ship. The operator could be much lower down.

[@stevevalley7835]

Humorous take on the shrinkage of the immediate WWI battleships and battlecruisers. I have suspected for a long time that the G3 and N3, both around 48-49,000 tons, were a bluff, and a bargaining chip, at the Washington Conference, because, when negotiating the displacement escalator in 38, the UK was pressing for a 42-43,000 ton limit, due to infrastructure limitations.

[@ryandoubleu.]

Did I miss something? What are the circumstances we are already aware of? I should probably know from watching every video but it’s been a long week and my memory is shot to pieces.

[@MrNicoJac]

Look for the recent really short video on why there was no drydock that week. If it's not related to that, then I missed something too...

[@ryandoubleu.]

@@MrNicoJac oh yeah, I forgot about that since it was 3 weeks ago. I thought something more recent popped up and wasn’t thinking about that since there have been patreon dry docks the past couple weeks. Thanks for the reminder.

[@hughgordon6435]

Re your lightening Q&A?? I seem to remember St Elmo's fire is a build up of static electricity? Any cases of the static jumping /arcing radar or other high electrical infrastructure?

[@mytube001]

"Moored in a fjord" needs to go on a t-shirt!

[@greenseaships]

Sold at old folks' homes!

[@dmcarpenter2470]

"Grief and Warship Design"

[@kenattwood8060]

Hunting Prinz Eugen??? Come on, Drach, with her monstrous luck, there is only one way that that could have turned out for the Royal Navy.......

[@toddwebb7521]

Well with decapping calculations remember that there aren't just peer opponents with 15-16 in guns, there's also the KGVs and the older US standards out there rocking 14 inchguns and the French had 13.4 inch the Bretagnes and 13 inch on the Dunkerques so if that decapping layer that successfully decapped a 12 inch can also decap a 13 or 14 inch it's relevant

[@barbararice6650]

When I go to county cricket games (Glamorgan) I fill up my flasks with whisky and only buy mineral water from the pavilion during the match, there's no enemy from military history that could have out thought me 👈😑

[@bkjeong4302]

The big issue with any air attack on Tirpitz was where Tirpitz was anchored. Good luck flying through or diving into a narrow fjord in sufficient numbers to inflict damage… In open water it would be far more one-sided.

[@michaelkovacic2608]

That's true of course, but BB vs CV will always be one-sided. A BB must close to something like 12 miles to successfully engage a CV, while the CV can hit the BB from far greater distances.

[@CharlesStearman]

On the other hand, hitting a stationary target is a lot easier than one that is maneuvering at high speed.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@michaelkovacic2608 Well... HMS Glorious missed the memo.😏

[@bkjeong4302]

@@WALTERBROADDUS mostly due to being incompetently commanded.

[@bkjeong4302]

@@CharlesStearman Not in this particular case given the geography of Tirpitz’s anchorage.

[@rickansell661]

You are very wrong on the Royal Navy, Prize Money and Slaves. There was an Order in Council in 1808 (the year after the UK abolished slavery). Slave ships automatically became the property of the Crown but Prize Money became payable on freed slaves. 60 UKP for an Adult Man, 30 UKP for a Adult Woman and 10 UKP for a Child under 14. The Prize Money paid then varied as time went on until, after 1839, it became 5 UKP per freed slave landed alive, 2.5 UKP for a slave who died before being landed and 1.5 UKP per ton of any slave ship captured. The issue could get complex however, slaves were not allowed to be freed from the ships of friendly nations that still allowed slavery. Slavers were apt to disguise their nation and British slavers would trade under another nations flag, sometimes through complex legal arrangements. RN officers ended up in trouble because of this.

[@Drachinifel]

I'll have to expand my range of sources in that case, I based my response on a series of cases where slaver ships were brought in and the ship adjudicated for value in relation to prize money whilst the only Admiralty Court notes about the slaves themselves was that they were "discharged ashore"

[@lamwen03]

@@Drachinifel A good deal of this in the "Master and Commander' series. Aubrey is on the anti-slavery patrol.

[@charlessheaffer4930]

uss arizone sub too

[@Aelxi]

I demand the location of Guide 302

[@DazzleCamo]

Recap it briefly or maybe your meant to say DEcap it briefly! 🤣 Sorry, I'm a father, can't help it, I'll show myself out

[@victorydaydeepstate]

How do you pronounce your name?

[@hughgordon6435]

..?????

[@hisdadjames4876]

I believe it is probounced drah-kin-ih-fell, with the emphasis on the second syllable, kin.

[@MrArtbv]

Re: Italian use of "Gimmicked Armor" solutions ; both belt and anti-torpedo. I'm sorry NOT to be able to provide an exact source, but I remember reading years ago that the problem was foundry production capacity of the high grade steel AND plate thickness. This had been worsened by the economic effects of the Worldwide Great Depression. ABTW.. The IJN had the same problem.

[@michaelkovacic2608]

From what I have heard, Italian Terni steel was pretty good.

[@MrArtbv]

@@michaelkovacic2608 I agree, but it was the volume they could produce that led to "ad hoc" solutions..

[@hughgordon6435]

Sir,? Has there ever been a "successful " open seas ambush in a naval sense? If so just how?

[@lamwen03]

Midway.

[@salty4496]

:)

[@hughgordon6435]

There 8s a quotation along the lines " the world war after the next , is going to be fought with stones and clubs?) I take that to mean the next " world war " is gonna bomb mankind back to the stone age!!! What would the war after the next world war be naval wise? Or would there even be a Naval contingent?

[@hughgordon6435]

Drach? You use a lot 9f photos in your content? Are thr majority of them your own ?, or have you a favourite photo source?, if so why are they not given sources?

[@hughgordon6435]

Drach?, sir, you often have said that almost every signatory of the Washington and London naval treaties tried to lawyer their way out of clauses? Was 5here ever a Naval treaty 5hat was lawyer proof?

[@merlinwizard1000]

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