The Drydock - Episode 239

[@Drachinifel]

Pinned post for Q&A :)

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I recently read that the Italian heavy cruiser Trieste which was sunk in 1943 while moored in Sardinia. After being refloated in 1950 was sold to the Spanish Navy who planned to convert her into an aircraft carrier however never did due to rising costs. Do you think it would have been a good aircraft carrier?

[@LeCharles07]

How complicated is it for a navy to change torpedoes both in peace time and mid-conflict? Say the US saw the performance of the long lance and decided "We'd very much like to have that as part of our armament." Is this even remotely possible?

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

After Billy Mitchel did everyone a favour and died, who took up his mantel of 'toxic air force commander trying to disolve the navy and other armed forces' and how much responsibility do they have for the admiral's revolt?

[@osXFan]

Do you think if the Japanese were more agressive, and moved in whenever as fast as reasonably possible in the pacific theatre that they could or would have been more successful? It always feels like they had immediately adopted a strong defensive strategy after they striked the initial islands. Also, if you feel like talking about anything related to the american involvement in the area even before japan declared war?

[@lloydknighten5071]

Drach, I noticed in your H.M.S. VICTORIA video that it took over four years to fit her out. Why did it take so long to fi out pre-dreadnought ships like MAINE and VICTORIA; we hen it took only fifteen months to fit out the battleship H.M.S. DREADNOUGHT?

[@CB-fn3me]

I've been hit by a dud torpedo at a very shallow angle. It was an unarmed practice torpedo during a navy exercise where the depth control didn't work properly. It was supposed to go under our ship but it didn't and we tried to avoid it. We almost succeeded. It bounced off and didn't penetrate the hull but we got a big dent in the hull and had to dry dock to fix the damage. If it would have been armed I wouldn't be sitting here today because it struck the ship about 5m from my bunk and I was lying in it trying to get some sleep. It was a rude awakening and we immediately went into battle stations damage control mode...

[@Tuning3434]

Coffee, sun and a Drydock! Great way to start the weekend 🎉🎉🎉

[@davekrab3363]

+ a Reefer to wash that coffee down!

[@wardaddyindustries4348]

​@@davekrab3363 I see you've got this. Good day Gentlemen!

[@greenseaships]

Before USS Forrestal: "We need specialized damage control personnel!" AFTER USS Forrestal: "We need everyone to be damage control personnel!"

[@TomFynn]

"When will the ship sail?" "Don't know. Everyone is standing by for damage control."

[@88porpoise]

Pretty sure the correct answer is "both" A small, core contingent of dedicated personal who are well drilled and experienced in the matters. And a large mass of people who are trained (but not as well) and can step in as needed.

[@NathanOkun]

I worked for the US Navy on weapon system support as a shore activity (though occasionally having to be sent to a ship as a troubleshooter). One of my associates mentioned to me one day that he would rather be disarming a sensitive bomb than be anywhere on the deck of an aircraft carrier taking off or landing planes. He once saw a landing plane hit one of the deck arresting cables and it broke as it was pulled taught to stop the plane. The two halves whipped about so fast as to be almost invisible and cut one of the deck crew in half in the blink of an eye. So more than visitors are sometimes in danger on warships, running at sea or in a museum...

[@strixaluco7423]

Japanese high command: We most likely will be outnumbered and get hit allot, so we need more turrets on our BBs to shoot at everyone at the same time and dont loose to much of our main guns if a turret gets hit. Any reasonable naval officer: So you also give our battleships strong armor, so we can stay long enough in the fight to make use of all those turrets right? ...right?

[@MartinWillett]

Lot is a normal word. Don't over-complicate things. You can have a lot or the lot.

[@TomFynn]

@@MartinWillett "I want lots of armor." "I've got lots of lots here. How many lots do you want?" "A lot."

[@dogefort8410]

​@@MartinWillett and then, there is the Alot... hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html?m=1

[@BleedingUranium]

Instead of six twins, I vote for twelve single turrets. Maximum versatility.

[@dougjb7848]

@@BleedingUranium Twenty four turrets, each with half a gun.

[@chrishawkinson8846]

Excellent episode as usual. One small correction-ish. Maybe it isn't so much a correction as me was just interpreting the phrase you used. While Capt Aoki was evacuated prior to AKAGI being scuttled, it isn't quite correct to say he saw no need to go down with AKAGI. Per Shattered Sword, Aoki tried to go down with AKAGI, but was eventually ordered off by Capt Ariga, commander of DesDiv 4, and ultimately complied prior to the scuttling.

[@jjsmith4829]

i worked at sea once three months straight; got really sea sick and threw up but after that i never got sick again; interesting thing is after i finished my three month at sea stint for at least a week afterwards whilst standing i would gently sway from side to side which i could not control

[@jameson1239]

Yeah that’s your inner ear still moving with the sway of the ocean dock rock is a bitch

[@MrTScolaro]

With respect to the Japanese at Midway evacuating all the crew they could, on Hiryu, there was a group of 40 engineering room staff that were only able to get through fire and wreckage to topside after the ship had been "scuttled" (Hiryu floated for hours after being scuttled as famously documented by a scout torpedo bomber from Hosho). This group found a raft and floated for days before being picked up by the USN.

[@pauldietz1325]

And then they provided intelligence to the USN that the four carriers had sunk (which Nimitz announced at the end of the month.)

[@Wolfeson28]

Ya, I think the person who asked that question might have been confused as far as which carrier they were asking about. The whole thing about "leaving crew aboard during scuttling" sounds like what happened on Hiryu to me, where the escorting ships saw those crew come on deck as they were leaving, but didn't go back for them. As far as I know, the IJN did not knowingly leave any living crew aboard Akagi when it was to be scuttled. In fact, they had to go to great lengths to remove Akagi's captain who *did* try to go down with his ship (Drach was a bit off there). Captain Aoki initially tied himself to the capstan to go down with his ship, but the captain in charge of their escorting destroyer division (who was senior to Aoki) sent a party with a written order to Aoki to leave the ship. He would, in fact, be the *only* Japanese carrier captain to survive Midway.

[@ariancontreras4358]

@@Wolfeson28 Japan took the captain goes down with his ship too literally when it’s actually captain is must stay on the ship until he evacuates everyone he can. Like if you got out of the ship when 90 to 99 percent of the still living crew and passengers are off no one’s going to call you a coward especially if the rest of the still living are trapped behind hard to reach places you can’t reasonably get to in your burning ship.

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

The owner of this channel... Is pretty positive... It wasn't scuttled... It was just sunk

[@Wolfeson28]

@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 That's Bismarck, not Hiryu.

[@lilidutour3617]

The Catapult Machinery Room is restored and open to the public on USS Yorktown. It is on tour #3. The next time you visit you can see it.

[@Maty83.]

It's a great tour, but some of the tour guides are frankly awful. Still, getting to see the Admiral's quarters is well-worth, but you wouldn't believe the absolute waste coming out of their mouth, like "Other navies' carriers were far slower, often below 30kts" (Akagi, Shokakus, Soryu, Hiriyu, Almost all the Brits and Taiho say hi)

[@MrArtbv]

Nicely done as always Drach...

[@agesflow6815]

Thank you, Drachinifel.

[@OrangesAndCookies]

For 47:52, Carnival Cruises should equip all their ships with passenger-controllable cannons. How can they call themselves the "fun ships" without this vital amenity? Alternatively, one of their competitors could roll up alongside, uncover their cannon, and shout, "Who's the fun ship now?!"

[@theokamis5865]

Signal light from the Nantucket Lightship to the Kaiserliche Cruise Line SMS Emden: "Temper, temper!"

[@kevdupuis]

Reminds me of the final or close to final skit from Monty Pythons, " The Meaning of Life". Corporate piracy anyone.

[@kemarisite]

​@@kevdupuis ah, The Voyage of the Crimson Permanent Assurance.

[@jbepsilon]

I have the opposite vision of a bunch of grumpy old men sitting on a bench in Venice (or some other picturesque place suffering from a plague of cruise ships) arguing among themselves whether they should do it or not. Then from the cruise ship balcony some tourist screams and waves at them, and the grumpy old men look back silently, then punch a button beside the bench, launching a torpedo at the ship.

[@theokamis5865]

@@jbepsilon Only one? A spread of four, at least...all the better for magazine detonation, of course!

[@ayayaybamba3445]

Having been to the USS Salem and climbed up one of those 50ft ladders, I can say for certain it's not for everyone. That's probably the most publicly open museum ship out there, but it's also probably the most dangerous. Lots of rust and dust down in the bowels of the ship. I've been all the way into the machinery spaces of the Massachusetts, but that was only because I happened to be walking past the gate the same time the museum staff were and they gave me a special, off the books, private tour of the area. You needed to be careful lest you fall through the rusted out gangways.

[@stevevalley7835]

wrt the question about the Omaha's casemate mounts, best use I can think of is replacing the four upper casemate mounts with AA guns. The footprint looks adequate to take a quad 1.1" early in the war, or a twin Bofors later in the war.

[@davidlindburg1921]

Drach, probably you're best presentation, never knew there was so much to this 😁

[@Aelxi]

Thanks for answering my question Drach!

[@sh342474]

Yeay, a new drysock.. (infantry humor) i do enjoy this. Keep it it up Drach, Big fan.

[@whyjnot420]

On the note of Master & Commander: Wasn't a key factor in the legitimacy of Surprise's attack the fact that Surprise raised its actual standard just before... oh wait, maybe I should listen to the whole entry before I start typing a response. >_>

[@johngregory4801]

Doing a QE 6 with the Nevada-style Twins Over Triples and small tube boilers would have been cool as heck! Faster than Nevada, with ten 15"/42's? As long as there's still displacement available for upgrades to be fitted through the 30's... What's not to love?

[@SynchroScore]

Imagine HMS _Warspite_ but now steaming at 25 knots.

[@kkupsky6321]

It’s my favourite opening theme for this weeks “also but however!” Episode. Best Sunday jazz… tell us more about bands on ships drach and how horns and bells have changed over the years

[@camenbert5837]

Your biggest problem with multi-gunned cruise ships is going to be ammunition-handling. I'm not sure there are enough lifts for shells and charges to be carried up. Plus the steward bringing it would probably insist on a starched napkin over it and probably some cut flowers in a jar. That's really going to slow down your rate of fire. Especially if he knocks and waits for your gunner to answer the door...

[@LeCharles07]

Just do it like they did in sailing ships, have a load of children running around with explosives. What could go wrong?

[@dougjb7848]

And imagine how much it would cost in tips.

[@dougjb7848]

2:20 But if you’re shipping six twin turrets rather than four triple, which requires longer ship and citadel, on similar displacement, aren’t you destined to have less armor than opponents with four triple turrets? And-also, if you’re going to split main battery between two targets, either the “secondary” target will be targeted by a fire-control process with lesser crew and equipment quality, or you force yourself to fully duplicate the entire primary fire-control process, which increases equipment mass and demands in crew training.

[@bkjeong4302]

The Japanese did tend to sacrifice armour in capital ship designs up until the Yamatos (which didn’t sacrifice armour while still maintaining a reasonable speed for their time).

[@nicktrains2234]

In response to the last question, a suprising amount of Warrior is blocked to the public. Mostly just unfurnished cabins but also you can see the entrances to the coal storage and the magazines but can't get in

[@keithrosenberg5486]

You ought to visit U-505 in Chicago.

[@davidgleinbach7316]

Engineering aspect also , Dual fireing solution works better! Triple firing unless precisely ignited will throw off precise firing solutions of the mechanism itself.Due to tremendous recoil of large calibers. Therefore a second salvo is delayed in a triple turret as compared to a double turret making overall impact and accuracy less effective. It did look really cool or intimidating depending on your point of view! As our Master gunner points out triples make the job of the repair of a damaged turret that much more critical and difficult as well. Symmetrically speaking doubles are inherently cleaner architectualy in keeping the center of gravity thinner as the USN has to transit the PANAMA cannal from time to time..

[@Alex-cw3rz]

54:37 climb HMS Victory's mast for me, or really any tall ship and having the Hornblower ending theme song playing in the background.

[@DERP_Squad]

You can climb one of the masts on the Great Britain in Bristol, UK. You've got to pay an extra charge of £10 last time I was there, and it's weather dependent. Good view from the top, not recommended if you get vertigo.

[@johnshepherd9676]

On carrier aircraft capacity. Doctrine for use determines how many aircraft you design your CV to carry. Even at the end of their operational life the Essex Class could carry 70 aircraft of whIch 60 were strike aircraft or fighters of a much larger size than the aircraft they were designed to carry. Even the SH-3 Sea King was twice the weight of an F4F. The last Royal Navy carrier , the CV-59 sized CVA01, was designed for an airwing of 50 aircraft. The Royal Navy did not have as stressing power projection requirements as the US so they didn't design the CVA01A for a large airwing.

[@captianmorgan7627]

There are a couple of LSTs that are sea worthy. LST-325 sailed from Greece to the US in 2000-2001 and has since made some trips around the eastern/southern US. And there are 2? others that are still operational.

[@SynchroScore]

LST-510 was converted to a carferry and now sails out of New London CT for trips across to Long Island. Probably the only ferry that displays battle ribbons.

[@becauseimbatman5702]

In regards to damage control, I suppose that the sailmaker/mates could be considered specialists as well but to a lesser extent than carpenters.

[@indplt1595]

Captain Aoki survived the sinking of Akagi, but that wasn't due to his aversion to going down with his command--he was tied to the anchor capstan when Yamamoto ordered the cancellation of Akagi's scuttling (the Commander of the Combined Fleet had commanded the carrier in 1928-29, and took much persuading to let her be torpedoed). This gave time for three possible scenarios: according to the USNI Akagi's navigator convinced Aoki to leave Akagi before Yamamoto allowed the scuttling, or according to Parshall and Tully the Commander of 4th Destroyer Division Captain Aruga (misspelled Ariga in Shattered Sword) boarded Akagi and, being senior to Aoki, ordered Akagi's skipper to abandon ship (Shattered Sword, spage 341). As Aruga was actually three years junior to Aoki, the third possibility was Aruga, after boarding the burning carrier, ordered his men to cut Aoki off the capstan and drag the suicidal CO off his ship, likely following the orders of a superior such as Nagumo or Yamamoto. Apparently given enough time, such as Yamamoto's indecision to allow his favored vessel to be sunk, and the IJN could overcome its tendency to throw away lives needlessly (the engineering crew on Hiryu excepted). Interestingly, this tendency spread to scuttling after Midway--the IJN in general stopped scuttling its capital ships, Hiei excepted. Shokaku, Taiho, Hiyo, Zuikaku, Zuiho, Chitose, Chidoya, Musashi and Yamato probably suffered much higher casualties than the losses off Midway and Guadalcanal as a result, but this likely was in response to losing Mikuma. Had the burning Kido Butai remained floating to absorb incoming TF16 SBD attacks that historically mauled Mogami and Mikuma, the latter might have gotten away...

[@bkjeong4302]

Of the IJN ships that were left to be sunk by the enemy instead of being scuttled, most of them still saw around half the crew or more make it off the ship, and in Yamato’s case the crew losses are inflated due to the fact a number of the crew were killed AFTER they’d successfully abandoned ship (by strafing from Hellcats, or when the escorts that picked them up were also sunk).

[@indplt1595]

@bkjeong4302 Interesting that Yamato's magazines detonating was categorized as one of the most powerful non-nuclear explosions in history, detonating with a force so great several U.S. aircraft were brought down by the explosion, but the overwhelming loss of life on and in the waters around battleship were all from .50 caliber rounds rather than the overpressure and shrapnel from the "pillar of fire reach[ing] a height of 2,000 meters, that the mushroom-shaped cloud rose to a height of 6,000 meters?"

[@bkjeong4302]

@@indplt1595 The magazine explosion also caused significant casualties, but the Japanese sailor losses would still have been significantly lower than happened historically even after said explosion if the Americans hadn’t bothered to finish them off.

[@indplt1595]

@bkjeong4302 Not sure what you mean by "finish them off." Admiral Ito canceled Ten-Go and permitted the crew of Yamato to abandon ship only as she was beginning to actually roll over before exploding as she capsized, and he and Captain Aruga pulled a Yamaguchi and Kaku (the same Aruga that manhandled Aoki off of Akagi). The same thing had occurred after Kongo and Shinano had been torpedoed the year prior, taking 1200 and 1400 men to their deaths including the admiral in Kongo and the captains of both. These were not the actions of men committed to preserving life, and given the fact that Kongo's and Yamato's magazines both went up like Roman candles it is a miracle that either capital ship had any number of survivors greater than the three that survived Hood's detonation. This stands in grim contrast to Midway, where the KIA outlier was Kaga, with 800-850 dead. Japanese capital ship losses simply killed a lot more men in 1944-45, with Shokaku suffering 1275 in her fire and Taiho 1650 KIA from the fuel-air detonation...numbers far higher than even USS Franklin's fire or USS Arizona's magazine detonation. As horrid as Yamato's losses were, the late evacuation order because she fought to the very last and the magazine detonation played a MAJOR factor in the outsized losses (and the fact that Yamato was carrying far more crew than Musashi, which impacted their ability to abandon ship). It was certainly a slaughter as war in general is, and TF 58 certainly was out for blood considering how intense the battle off of Okinawa was shaping up to be, but the USS Wahoo's machine-gunning of survivors or the U.S. cruisers sinking the carrier Chidoya with all hands were far less ambiguous than the killing during Ten-Go.

[@gdolson9419]

I remember seeing a cannonball embedded in an iron plate at the Washington D.C. naval yard. I presume the result of an Civil War (or just after) armor/penetration test.

[@lexington476]

57:04 you are 100% spot on, I am a fit man let's see I'm closer to 50 than I am 40, but I'm still in my 40s 😎.... I have visited the USS Cod Submarine Museum numerous times. The card still has all her original hatches intact, so when you go on the tour of route of the USS card you have to go through the forward torpedo room escape trunk. And every time I go down that tube, I'm just thinking to myself this is a this is clearly a young man's game. I can get down it, but just not as fast as like a 20 something could 🙂. But if you get the chance you have to visit the Cod, the Cod is a fantastic Submarine Museum in Cleveland Ohio.

[@DavidBrown-yd9le]

She was towed to Erie Pa a little while ago for refurbishment was nice to see the work being done. I need to get over to Cleveland.

[@stevevalley7835]

I have been through USS Silversides, in Muskegon, MI. Also a Gato class boat. In her case, they rigged a ladder down the port side forward, and cut a doorway through the hull, rather than ask people to go down the ladder you used on Cod. I would expect that, regardless of age, the USN had height and girth maximums for sub service. I know there are height maximums for pilots.

[@johnshepherd9676]

​@@stevevalley7835 I have been on both Silversides and Runner when they were still dockside trainers in Chicago. They were not set up for tourists. I was a teenager so I did not have any trouble getting around

[@thetorturepenguin]

The QE class are often hailed as the most capable WW1-era battleships that lived into the second world war. Of the WW1 era superdreadnoughts that served in WW2- excluding the QEs and any US standards laid down after the war ended, what would the top three most capable remaining battleships be? And what would be the three LEAST capable be?

[@mark_wotney9972]

Did you tour the sailing ship Elissa in Galveston, Tx during your time in America? If not, I would strongly recommend it.

[@lexington476]

49:56 I'm never going to look at a cruise ship the same way now 🙂... There might be a broad side of 3-in guns in there 😎.

[@hughgordon6435]

Re photo of Akagi?? What are the markings on the flight deck near the bows? Comming of the center line?

[@richardleithman379]

The arrow with the offset markings to port and starboard were to show wind direction. At the point of the arrow steam was emitted, And if the ship wasn't sailing directly into the wind the steam would blow on either side of the arrow showing the pilot the relative wind over the deck. Believe I read each dashed line to the left of the right of the center line was 10ﾟ

[@hughgordon6435]

@@richardleithman379 thanks! Dad was FAA so plenty of pics of British and American carriers, never saw markings like that before!

[@richardleithman379]

@@hughgordon6435 You're welcome. Another KZbin channel has things dealing with British carriers and they had a very similar system but no painted markings they use a steam port to show the pilots the wind

[@ShuRugal]

Drach: the angle of impact of a torpedo makes a tiny difference next update to WoWS: why are my torpedoes ricocheting????

[@MartinCHorowitz]

Would a modern cruise ship become top heavy with all of the guns? Better to put some box launchers with anti-ship missiles aboard.

[@whyjnot420]

49:03 This line made me question why, in the early heyday of the disaster movie, someone didn't literally make The Poseidon Inferno. (given Hollywoods penchant for copypasting things, I suspect getting sued was the only reason.)

[@paulwillson4378]

Im hoping the boiler room room on haida is open for viewing some day

[@keithrosenberg5486]

Cruise ships are also less stable than other ships. Adding all of the guns would mess with the stability.

[@kalbasbas]

Well the ship that Jack Aubrey was suppose to attack is a Constitution class if I am not wrong ;)

[@PelhamExpress]

If I were to go through the work of refitting an Omaha, I’d replace all the 6” with twin 5”/38s and probably trunk the funnels into two.

[@warspiteschannel4817]

Is it my imagination or is the Gloster F.5/34 very very similar to the Japanese Zero?

[@tonym480]

There are other people made the same comment, some to the extent of claiming that the Zero is a 'copy', something that is not really true, it's a case of similar design solutions producing a similar result. I seem to remember that Drach has a good video about the origins of the Zero.

[@mandowarrior123]

The British thought that from silhouette at first, but if you look at the front face of them you'll see just how vastly different they are. The Gloster aircraft had flat wings. Also the Gloster had a front-facing rudder, which was its unique design element. When designing a short carrier fighter with access to a decent radial engine the proportional similarity becomes simply convergent evolution. The ratios or some of the shape may have inspired elements but it's vastly different on an engineering level. Once you examine the ki-61/p-51/spitfire all those have closer similarity and it's simply engineering. Once you see the front view you'll get it.

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

Design convergence, you're trying to solve the same problem at the same time with similar technology, it's not surprising if you come up with a similar solution.

[@warspiteschannel4817]

@@tonym480 Nice to see that it was not just me, I thought my senile dementia was kicking in early. B

[@matthewmoser1284]

As HMS Suprise was specifically dispatched to hunt Acheron because Acheron HERSELF was dispatched specifically to hunt British whalers, it seems to me that Acheron always intended to approach the disguised Surprise with malicious intent. Acheron clearly viewed Whalers as legitimate military targets, and whalers in this Era were knowingly armed. Therefore I hardly find it acceptable for Acheron to cry foul when they were always intent on capturing or sinking any whaler they came across.

[@robertthweatt1900]

When I worked on oil field offshore supply vessels, many people swore by marijuana as a cure for seasickness, though I remember seeing some people so sick nothing would have helped!

[@sundiver137]

The unluckiest sailor gets seasick and lockjaw at the same time...

[@ricardokowalski1579]

The ship is on 🔥 fire!... ..........Panik!! 😲 Flooding🌊puts out the fires...Kalm 😑 Flooding🌊is sinking the ship!!...Panik!! 😱

[@femausar]

Have you ever thought about doing A Segment on the Nazi whaling fleet during WW two around an Antarctica?

[@billbrockman779]

As far as I know, someone who never suffers from motion sickness cannot begin to imagine the awful misery involved. Wishing for death come closest to describe it.

[@phildyrtt6433]

My brother and I thrived 1st Class SS Woodrow Wilson trans-Pacific 1964...our Mother two weeks cabin bound sick as whatever. We chowed down her pre-paid victuals. Ecstacy.

[@davidrenton]

i was on a ship , rows of seats ,rough seas, one elderly women next to us starting heaving, then her friends did , then i did, and apart from my GF,.the whole cabin did, it was contagious, around 50 people heaving , and knowing the ship wasn't stopping. My GF thought it funny as she did offer sickness pills beforehand and i said no

[@Zephyrmec]

I had the honor and privilege of serving over 4 years aboard a USN Farragut class DLG/DDG, which were famous for their severe rolling, even in relatively calm seas, (generally 20-30 degrees) and never had a touch of sea sickness, even during North Atlantic storms during which we touched upon 50 degrees for several days at a time. Those of us who were fortunate enough to not have sea sick problems enjoyed the ride, however you were constantly exhausted, and had to lash yourself into your bunk or hammock as the case may be to avoid ending up on the deck sliding about in exactly what you would expect to find on the deck with perhaps 200 of 370 men projectile vomiting. We enjoyed many rations of tinned sardines and other foul smelling victuals, mounted numerous unauthorized clinometers (known as “pukometers”) to remind our unfortunate shipmates just how much rolling and pitching we were doing, and generally having a great time. On the other end of the scale we had a few fellows who began their sickness when mooring lines were singled up and you felt a tug bump the ship when coming alongside. Some guys eventually got used to it after a few days, others carried a plastic garbage bag with them at all times underway, we tin can sailors laughed until our sides hurt when we would hear carrier sailors complaining about a 10 or 15 degree roll, and how horrible it was!

[@andrewmyerscough9397]

@@davidrenton Served on the Vince and Lusty in the North Atlantic and not a problem. Go into the shops of a cross channel ferry and the chinking of the bottles sets me off. I then go on deck or if on a longer crossing my cabin and shut my eyes and I am fine.

[@Shadooe]

As someone who does get seasick (and general motion sickness) quite easy, the best description I've read is you spend half your time hoping you don't die, and the other half hoping you DO!.

[@SpartanA054Moose]

HELLO DRACH!!!!

[@robcrane3512]

re: seasickness, when COPP (Combined Operations Pilotage Parties) went across to do recce of Gold Beach they were given hyoscine. This was 31 Dec 43. It was felt to have some benefit for the COPP men, although they were still affected (~Force 5 by end of the op and they were in two LCP(L)s, so felt more like ~Force 7) Unfortunately they didn't give any to the landing craft crews, who were pretty much incapacitated - they lost contact when the coxswain of one leaned aside to vomit and lost sight of the dim stern light of the LCP ahead. 🤮

[@jillatherton4660]

👍

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Wait... Who did 6 twins... I'm so confused

[@Drachinifel]

Fuso and Yamashiro. Wyomings as well

[@craigpalmer9196]

liquad does not compress. it tampes the explosive rather well

[@brianargo4595]

This fact makes underwater explosions more dangerous, not less

[@murasame5071]

last time i was this easrly , Spain had world class blue watter navy

[@Eric_Hutton.1980]

I hate modern cruise ships. I'd pay to watch cruise ships duke it out with each other.

[@salty4496]

:)

[@merlinwizard1000]

5th, 19 March 2023