The Duality of Art - with DC Schindler (Climbing Mt Sophia)

[@alexr.3504]

This conversation was amazing. Beauty is something I didn’t fully appreciate until I gave it thorough thought while finishing my English degree. It’s become so important to me as a Christian; I was missing so much of who God is and what He did in Christ without it. Also, 1:00:55: arguing with ChatGPT is totally something I would end up doing and this cracked me up! 😂Get it, Jonathan!

[@JoshuaRolen]

Excessive contrapposto leads often to right lateral pelvic tilt and side pain. A very common condition. Doing postural restoration exercises for that condition can help with the chronic pain it causes.

[@JasonMomoa999]

Wrong. Strengthen abs counter hyperlirdosis.

[@animula6908]

I’m excited about the summit. I was going to go until I got accepted into a certification program that’s going to demand a lot of time for the next several months. The great news is that I’ll be able to plan for attending the next one with a lot more disposable income after I get the program done, so I’ll be watching to see how the first one goes to plan accordingly for 2025.❤

[@missycar]

This is my favourite podcast Jonathan. Thank you , it's such important work and I thoroughly enjoy the knowledge you and your guests offer. I'd really love to hear you discuss figureheads and marine symbols like the mythical creatures on building facia. Our supreme Court in Melbourne Australia has females with Octopus legs.. I found those fascinating.

[@thomasmoritz6853]

finally - christopher alexander gets mentioned! i have been delving into his work since 15 years from a christian (catholic & orthodox) perspective

[@marcschaeffer1584]

Falling spaghetti monster: contrapasta

[@vincentlewis5]

E. Michael Jones wrote a book entitled "The Dangers of Beauty."

[@lifearttimes]

This dialogue is fantastic. Thank You. My thoughts are, a straight line is between two points and the curved line connects many points and therefore, allows for the beauty to emerge. Perfection is boring, nuances in the imperfections are thought provoking…Duality, at its best!🪔🪷🪔

[@eastudio-K]

This is just a play of words, and from an old professor, but might be a good idea to make the distinction between beauty and beautiful If it’s full of beauty, then there’s no room for anyone else

[@ashtonmiller9756]

I remember seeing a similar comparison of the relationship between the absolute and particular being illustrated by moonlight. Moonlight is the reflection of the sun's rays. So it's from the sun but you couldn't have it without the moon. Would that be an accurate comparison?

[@mostlydead3261]

beauty thru excess.. great talk..

[@andrewternet8370]

Man discovered hardstyle

[@AS-yh6xu]

Thank you so much!

[@eqapo]

28:00 totally agree with the claim of marginalization of art. However, I would challenge the "its just a beat you dance to," which I take to refer to the global phenomenon of rave and edm, if you allow me. There are genuinely inspired edm musicians and artists in the biggest of festivals providing that connection that churches have. In a culture that does marginalize this art, there you see how wide that margin is... even the most popular festivals are appreciated only as vacation, weekend, unintegrated and uniterated community. Contemporary spirituality is underground.

[@improvisedchaos8904]

i challenge the "its just a beat you dance to" with ; it is influenced by spirit, balancing frequencies in perfect timing- The song is always a perfect circle; the song must mind natural cycles- like tides, breath, or day/night. Once the day/night cycle is set, you may "stay up all night"/"rise when all goes down." The song Hickory Dickory Dock makes a joke of that very notion; the mouse in fact does not go back down the clock if you keep track of where the word "down" falls on the beat (falls on upbeat, as does mouse.) It's a "silly little inversion" ;)

[@almondtree]

This whole topic is the movie Annihilation It’s such an amazing film Pageau would totally get it. It’s a flood story.

[@chrisc7265]

the novella that movie is based on is amazing it's part of a trilogy and the 2nd and 3rd totally lose the thread but the first one is very on point short read, definitely recommend it

[@icarovdl]

Yeah but that movie also seems heavily affected by the modern feminisation of narrative theres some bad stuff in there

[@almondtree]

@@icarovdl Yeah it is haunting. "The Shimmer" - the rainbow colored, consuming force of beauty without a telos (or something like that). I used to never like horror films (and most of them I still don't), but every once in a while I will come across one that is so accurate that it almost serves as a prophetic warning. The VVitch is another one I love. "Black Phillip" is scapegoating, the pointing of the finger. It is a hauntingly accurate film.

[@ibelieve3111]

Thanks

[@JoelSjogren0]

Please adjust the sound volume of the speakers to be more equal.

[@eqapo]

54:10 a misologist would retort, "Why can't you just let a good thing be Good?!"

[@eqapo]

47:00 is it possible that in those spanish images it speaks to that particular community whose daily lives are, to be blunt, gorier than the privilege white lives that judge them? The phenomonology of beauty is universal and we can speak of it objectively, but none can say to whom and when beauty unveils itself to one and not the other. In this sense we can recover "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

Have you ever come in contact with Forrest Landry? I'd love to hear you two talk. He's talked with John Vervaeke several times.

[@superpeaceloveunity]

To Jonathan or any of the speakers; or any seasoned artists for that matter, where does life drawing at an academic level come in to play in regards to all this? Both for the artists learning to draw the human form and the model that is serving. From my experience, it is almost never an erotically charge environment. But I would like to hear the take of other seasoned artist, especially from an orthodox perspective.

[@omarloi7389]

Interesting talk. Beauty is impure, flawed and useful..

[@daanvangeijlswijk7787]

@JonathanPageau Hi Jonathan, I will be attending the Symbolic World Summit. I will be there already on the 26th, so if you need help with something, let me know.

[@jamescastro2037]

As words are a form that we cast ourselves in. So words cast what forms ourselves. Can we break bread. Highly unlikely, because we b read.

[@improvisedchaos8904]

they break bread with ill timed breaths

[@eastudio-K]

Alvar Aalto architect worked with the straight and the curve

[@razvan_anton]

I like Pageau's take on abstract art except when it comse to Constantin Brancusi. He thinks Brancusi made art abstract like Picasso or the rest of the French artists but Brancusi made art like his ancestors. Not the same thing .

[@Richard_Paradise]

👍♥

[@SF.B]

Jonathan, I want your honest answer. Do you have inserts from Catholics and Protestants on your Orthodox music playlist? Something like Miserere mei, psalms sung by Sister Marie Keyrouz, or maybe you ever listened and liked "Way Maker" or "My God is an Awesome God"?

[@anthonygoodman48]

Hi Johnathon, do you find the fact that you enjoy 'fame' (or influence) based in part on logarithms that are ambivalent troubling? I'm curious. I mean its hard to sort out sometimes. Or is this just a 'free' marketplace. I mean I think God can and does invert even the logarithms. I just wonder what your thoughts are on this.

[@razz5558]

I found the references in this conversation as to what constitutes "beauty" to be vague. I wish you gentlemen had spent some bit of time defining the "pornographic art" that you mentioned once or twice. Certainly, you were not employing the well worn, lame definition of pornography as "art without merit". That definition is in the end a fallacy at best. I find Bacon's work utterly fascinating and gorgeous. I am a cartoonist and a painter that exalts visceral and diabolical images. God gave me my abilities. He has not demanded that I waste it on Sistine chapels and Rockwell images of the nuclear family venturing into the countryside for a 4th of July picnic. I paint the world live in and it is one that daily exceeds the world that Otto Dix painted. the Bible itself is a parade of diabolical and visceral images of death and horror. In representing these circumstances, I believe that I am reflecting the architecture of creation and being. It is for God alone to decide whether I am fallen or ascending when I set to work in my studio.

[@mitchellclark3070]

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