The DUMBEST QUARTERBACK DECISION in Kansas City Chiefs HISTORY | 1987 Chiefs

[@SteelerFanInRI]

"Legendary Jacksonville Jaguars coach Urban Meyer doubled the team's win total for the previous year, and did amazing things, such as [404 Not Found]" 🤣🤣🤣

[@CTubeMan]

Fun Fact: Patrick Mahomes was the first quarterback drafted by the Chiefs to win a game as their starter since Todd Blackledge in that 1987 season. You characterized Gansz’s assessment of Seurer as being simultaneously ready to play and not ready to play, Schrodinger’s QB?

[@MichaelPiz]

Nah. Like in physics, the QB wasn't actually in two states at the same time, it was the coach's "measurement apparatus" that was messed up. 😉

[@rmyers99]

But what about Brodie Croyle? Oooohhhh (and ten).

[@scottfarmer8758]

In my opinion the dumbest move at QB in Chiefs history happened before their Divisional Playoff Game against the Denver Broncos in 1997. Elvis Grbac broke his collarbone at midseason so the Chiefs turned to Rich Gannon. Behind Gannon no one played better during the stretch run than the Chiefs. They ended up clinching the #1 seed and had a first round bye in the playoffs. But Grbac was healthy by the playoffs and the Chiefs HC Marty Schottenheimer decided to go back to him. Bad move! The Chiefs ended up losing to the Broncos 14-10 and Denver went on to win the Super Bowl. I knew the winner of that game would represent the AFC in the Super Bowl and I do think that if they had stuck with Gannon they could have gotten to the Super Bowl and Marty Schottenheimer would be in the Hall of Fame.

[@d0nKsTaH]

Yup! I believe that too. Similar to the Bills benching Flutie for the playoff game with Rob Johnson... around the same time period. Coach wanted to show loyalty to the team's original starter... he gambled with that and lost.

[@rmyers99]

I was at that game. When Gannon wasn't under center, I all but knew it was lost. One of the most heartbreaking Chiefs games I've ever been to. Every longtime Chiefs fan no doubt wonders what could have been.

[@RonJDuncan]

I disagreed with what he did as well, but conventional thinking around the league at the time was that a player doesn't lose their spot due to injury. You get better, you get your job back. It's hard to fault Schottenheimer for doing it the same way everyone did back then.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

@@RonJDuncan True, but it's very easy to fault him for being ultra conservative on offense, which was always Marty's post-season undoing. Counting on the other team to make a big mistake that decides the game doesn't work nearly as well when only the elite teams are left.

[@pnewkirkdds]

Exactly what I came here to say. I love Marty, but that was easily the dumbest screw up of his entire career.

[@roljamas]

As a Chiefs fan, starting Elvis Grbac in the 1997 playoffs over Rich Gannon when Gannon led them to the majority of their 13 regular season wins will always be more baffling.

[@markbrian7179]

Bill Kenney was a good quarterback who might have turned the Chiefs around if not for his injuries.

[@rmyers99]

Kind of makes you wonder what a healthy Kenney might have looked like under a more competent head coach.

[@erickennedy8534]

Kenney had great 85 season

[@marcus813]

@@rmyers99 I'm not sure what QBs would've thrived under Gansz. I see why he got run.

[@forestgeorge8855]

If you get hurt and miss work, it won’t hurt to miss work. And they you cash, which is just as good as money.

[@DolFan316]

Here's a good what if: What if the Dolphins had kept Kenney after drafting him in '78? Do they draft Woodley two years later? Does Kenney wind up being good enough for them not to draft Marino in '83?

[@RicoBurghFan]

Gansz was a sham and a liar in every way. I know that longtime Chiefs fans are not only thrilled to have Mahomes at QB but also ecstatic to have a great coach like Andy Reid leading them.

[@animemaster4861]

Of course probably Andy Reid is now thought of as the best coach in Kansas City alongside Hank stram. Some credit though should be given to Marty schottenheimer he turned the Chiefs around after how they sucked in the '80s with Frank Ganz and everything and all their quarterback woes. Which might I add that game against the Seahawks with the seven interceptions or whatever I think that's a record that still stands. Marty schottenheimer actually turned that team around I want to say they were constant playoff contenders made the AFC championship at least once or twice. Too bad they never won the super bowl with schottenheimer. Andy Reid I'm sure I'll end up in the Hall of Fame and he's iconic and known. Will he ever be as iconic as Hank stram no. I mean there's nothing like hearing Hank stram say 65 toss power trap. Or when he says just keep matriculating the ball down the field. That's like iconic

[@DNSKansas]

I would like to know what players BEGGED Lamar Hunt to hire Gansz to replace Mackovic.

[@pronkb000]

This doesn't really happen much anymore with push-button bullpens and short benches, but Billy Martin said he would sometimes warm guys up for decoy purposes, trying to get the opposing manager to make a move or not make a move. That...probably didn't apply here.

[@bigbearkat2010]

Did that actually work?

[@rickshafer6688]

Martin was the Oakland Athletics manager of the late seventies, early eighties. He killed five good starters by over using them. He killed their arms. They were good too.

[@keithharper1470]

Grady Little? Everyone could see Pedro was gassed well before he faced Posada all Grady had to do was make the change and if the same outcome happens he doesn't get fired

[@pronkb000]

@@bigbearkat2010 I have no specifics. I just know Martin mentioned it when he was doing commentary on the Royals-Yankees ALCS in 1980.

[@bigbearkat2010]

@@pronkb000 just seems like a good way to needlessly tire their arms quicker

[@dangeiger9796]

Seurer was like Schrödinger’s cat, he was both ready to play and not ready to play

[@KWCline91]

Top 5 JaguarGator9 sayings #5 - If you think (subject did this), congratulations. You're an idiot. #4 - And this is the last time (subject did something with a sarcastic reference to something else happening) #3 - If you think that's bad, don't worry. It gets a whole lot worse. #2 - Talk about a dumb decision #1 - That's worst than if all you do is spike the ball on every play.

[@Tubewings]

I think you should replace one of those with "I'm sorry....WHAT?!"

[@donnyhunt6370]

This reminds me of something that Mack Brown did in 2010 when he refused to pull Garrett Gilbert out of.a game against K State despite having his backup warming up. He said that by the time Case McCoy was ready, Gilbert had the offense moving. They were behind 39-0 when he finally “got the offense moving”.

[@deanhagerman6843]

Lifelong Chiefs fan from the 80's until today, this video hits home and makes me smile that Mahomes is the QB for the Chiefs

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Don't speak too soon. The Magic Cheeseburger is sooo peed off with Jackson and Patrick's wife that he's warned him that they might be looking for a rather strong backup, if you catch my drift........

[@joshuacole6543]

@@robertwilloughby8050 source: trust me bro

[@cygnustsp]

What happened today that you're not a Chiefs fan anymore?

[@chrisrobinson8339]

@@cygnustsp think he meant. He's been a Chiefs fan since the 80's. Not that he stopped being a Chiefs fan today.

[@chrisrobinson8339]

@@robertwilloughby8050 Patrick isn't going anywhere.

[@mizzou594]

As a kid growing up in the Kansas City area in the 1980s, I was looking forward to watching this video. But after the third ad break, I had to stop and hit the Back button and find something else. There is no reason there are this many ad breaks in a 15-minute video. I watched a 2-1/2 hour baseball game from 1997 on KZbin and it had a grand total of zero ad breaks.

[@teen_laqueefa]

He makes revenue from the ads, you could subscribe to the platform OR be patient, less entitled, and from your need to comment before hitting the back button, you seem narcissistic and self righteous. The guy works on these and he has to balance ad space with content space and try to hit the sweet balance that benefits him.

[@josephsarto689]

When I saw the title, I thought this was gonna be Marty going with Elvis instead of rich in the 1997 divisional round

[@garycrites1949]

Or, Gunther choosing Grbac instead of Gannon when he took over as head coach.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

@@garycrites1949 Grbac must've had some incriminating pictures of the Chief's coaches.

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

@@garycrites1949 Don't think it was Gunther's decision... Grbac had the big contract which is why Carl Peterson kept him and let Gannon go.

[@xavier5297]

There it is. 6:08

[@karlphilipemanuelcook4322]

I love how heated you get over these things. This is A+ entertainment

[@coreyhicks2239]

You have done some awesome videos on how bad and horrible Frank Gansz was for the Chiefs in the late 80s. He was worse than John Macovich,Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel. You should also do videos on how bad Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel were for the Chiefs and you should also do videos on how bad and horrible Gus Bradley and Doug Marrone were for the Jaguars. I would love to see a video of how bad and horrible Curtis Painter was for the Colts back in 2011. Keep up with the great work on KZbin. Go Chiefs!

[@mrmoose6619]

9:20 Unless you are the 1992 Denver Broncos and you switch your Quarterback on every other play. JaguarGator9 did make a video on this...

[@82dorrin]

The crazy thing about that game was that it almost worked. The Broncos lost, but gave the eventual Super Bowl champions a tough fight.

[@marcus813]

No wonder the Chiefs sucked so much in the '80s and traded for Steve DeBerg the season after this one.

[@nicoleknight9412]

The thumbnail reads "What was he THINKING?". Answer: He wasn't!

[@thomascahill8932]

Probably the worst coach we ever had.

[@Rockhound6165]

Tod Blackledge. Another QB taken before Marino.

[@badbirdkc]

Man, I think I tore my own ACL just watching them play on that old astroturf field at Arrowhead.

[@garycrites1949]

Definitely another good video describing something I didn’t comprehend as a kid and thus didn’t recall as an adult. I knew Gansz sucked, but boy he was far worse than I thought. Got to meet Bill Kinney after his football years while he was a Missouri State Senator and I was in college. He was a delightful guy and a great speaker. Told hilarious stories about his NFL years. JG9, if you are interested in further diving into stories of past Chiefs woes, please do a story on Gunther Cunningham’s ridiculous choosing of Elvis Grbac over Rich Gannon as starting QB.

[@erichaynes7502]

Great post, I'd love to hear those Bill Kenney NFL stories!

[@toddhawley2226]

Frank Gansz I believe had been the Chiefs' Special Teams coach the season before. They had great special teams that season and I'd always thought that's how he got the head coaching job. He clearly proved he was NOT a good head guy. :p

[@ProdigyBowlersTour]

After lying through his teeth to get the job in the first place, it should come as no surprise that Frank Gansz made stuff up in his post-game presser. Frank Gansz rose to the position of head coach with the Chiefs after what amounted to a player mutiny against head coach John Mackovic, who led the team to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. His reward for this achievement was to be fired after a group of players went to Lamar Hunt and insisted that their head coach be let go. Hunt relented, fired, Mackovic, and installed special teams coach Frank Gansz as the new head coach. And we see what a disaster that turned out to be.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Blackledge will always remembered for being the worst quarterback in the 83 first round draft class.

[@marksieber4626]

But, what if he went to a place with better coaching? That’s why I worry about Lawrence in jag ville

[@DolFan316]

If I'm the Steelers, I'd be ashamed of only winning by a point under those circumstances.

[@rhettrissmiller4909]

Mark Malone was our QB back in 1987 so that might explain why the Steelers only won by 1 point despite getting 4 ints on defense.🤣🤣

[@Simbaforlife]

What’s crazier Jerry Rice going for 1200 yards at age 40 or the Patriots going 11-5 and missing the playoffs

[@DolFan316]

The way those fumbles flew into the arms of Dolphin defenders is really weird, almost like the Chiefs players were lateraling them the ball on purpose.

[@d0nKsTaH]

Daang Jaguar getting angry in this video. :P

[@kyledamron]

Clearly the coach was not aware that rotating qbs doesn't work. Hell Tom Landry did it with Staubach and Morton and it went poorly as the team couldn't get into a rhythm and the team told him he had to choose one or the other they didn't even seem to care which qb he chose as long as he picked 1! So why would Gans say a qb was ready to play but not ready to start????

[@DolFan316]

SO...OJG9 is also going to call out Brian Flores for doing the exact "ready to play but not start" routine with Tua before the Ravens game last season, right?

[@patrickcombs3567]

Oh my God ganz tried to kill Kenney.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

That bastard!

[@lafeelabriel]

Trying to wrap my head around that logic left me with a headache..

[@kyledamron]

As a Raiders fan I miss the days when KC couldn't find a quality qb to save their lives (or at least their jobs). When they brought in Marty Schottenheimer and they started to get pretty good they still couldn't find a franchise qb minus Joe Montana who was basically coming back after what SF thought was a career ending injury (minus when they let him play in the last home game in 92 as a farewell) and after Joe retired it seemed like KC just kept taking San Francisco's back up QBs and also Alex Smith who was the SF starter til an injury basically cost him his job and sending him to the place where former SF qbs go when SF doesn't want or need you, Kansas City! At least Smith gave them long term stability and won a lot of games (which I wasn't a fan of given my allegiance to the Raiders)

[@newname4785]

ok, maybe im reading between yhe lines, but Gansz sounds like he's saying the decision came from above him (Ownership? GM?) but wasn't about to risk his potential future.

[@orbyfan]

"Another brilliant coaching mind."--Howard Cosell

[@MichaelPiz]

How's your blood pressure, my friend? You keep getting all worked up in these criticism vids. I worry about your health. 😉😉😉

[@RCVictoryLane]

6:07 for our favorite catch phrase

[@darrellludlow]

You have a lot of good videos and I enjoy the content. But I wonder if you ever considered upping your game when it comes to the audio. The voice overlays have always sounded a bit muffled and just not as sharp as they should be. Don't know if it is due to the microphone you use or the software.

[@doaftheloaf]

actually, sometimes teams do have a guy throwing in the bullpen just to get some work. between starts, pitchers usually have a throw day in the middle. this guy just fucked up. and was too stubborn to admit it.

[@bartscanland9415]

Man, the offense on this team was so close to being good. Good receivers like Paige and Carson plus an up and coming Okoye. 11:35

[@wynnexed]

12:53 Hey, Jaguar's become self-referential!

[@kyledamron]

Stupid question but has there ever been a qb to win a game with no TDs and 4INTs? I'm sure the answer is no but out of curiosity just wondering if anyone knows of one who has

[@Davepool-hs7vr]

What did anyone expect from Frankie Ganz who lied to get the HC job in the first place.

[@DNSKansas]

The Chiefs BEGGED Lamar Hunt to elevate Gansz to head coach after Mackovic was fired. They got what they freaking deserved.

[@rickshafer6688]

Todd Blacklege is the #1 1983 pick story in 1987.

[@vancedurbin1132]

Bill Kenney was always better than Steve Fuller. Fuller ended up with a Super Bowl ring as a bench warmer with the Bears.

[@Glitch47278]

Todd Blackledge, one of the worst draft picks in chiefs history mainly because of how many good QB's were available and they chose the worst one. My dad has gone on and on over the years about how awful that pick was.

[@DolFan316]

BTW there have been 24 games in NFL history won by a QB who had no TDs passes and 4-plus INTs, so it can be done.

[@acork7601]

Why not include the Week in the title?

[@jamesgurksnis4392]

Is Frank Gansz worse than Herm Edwards or Romeo Crennel? That’s the question. Andy Reid has bested Marty Schottenheimer though with his Super Bowl victory.

[@CTubeMan]

Yes to both.

[@rrickydanby]

Yes

[@abrahamjackson6019]

Dave Campo , David Shula and Ervin Mayer "beg to differ "

[@erichaynes7502]

TBH Gansz didn't have much to work with..I mean, KC had either Kenney or Blackledge as QB in a division with John Freaking Elway and Dan Fouts, and Dave Kreig. So yes, Gansz was a bad HC on a KC team that didn't have a QB. We KC fans regard 73-87 as "The Dark Years"..so dark we shudder when we think of those bad Chiefs teams/coaches/GM/Owner/EVERYTHING!

[@luisreyes1963]

Frank Gansz: The West Coast Rich Kotite. 🤣

[@DolFan316]

I'll see your Frank Gansz and raise you Cam Cameron.

[@jameswiedmaier3930]

The only good thing that Frank Gzanz did was the drafting of Christian Okoye.

[@mayduck1]

Frank Ganz has to ranked in the Urban Meyer Rich Kotite Bill Peterson Clive Rush Cam Cameron Les Steckel and Marty Feldman league as worst pro coach ever.

[@erichaynes7502]

KC Chiefs fans suffered greatly from 1973 to the Frank Gansz era. I think Gansz was such a disaster that's what made Lamar Hunt go out and get Shottenheimer and Peterson for the 1989 season. For most of the last 30 years KC has had decent teams and definitely not a 16 year disaster like 73-88.

[@rrickydanby]

Yeah, I’m loving watching the Chiefs and Bills blossom now bc for most of my life I watched them be middle of the pack and thought it would be awesome if those teams could just explode.

[@bkjbearcat78]

I remember Bill Kenney wasn’t too bad of a QB. He had some bright spots. But at this point his good years were far behind him. Kenney also went into politics after football. Was a Missouri state senator and was Majority Floor Leader. On a side note. The 1983 draft was so legendary for the players in it, that of course the Chiefs pick Todd Blackledge. The QBs pick after Blackledge? Jim Kelly and Dan Marino. The Chiefs couldn’t even draft Ken O’Brien. Oh and the HOFers after Blackledge was picked? Bruce Matthews and Darrell Green. Go team.

[@justen.d.sblackburn6701]

Mike Tice was one of the worst coaches for the Vikings

[@DolFan316]

How bad were the '87 Chiefs? So bad they actually lost to the '87 Bengals 😯😯😯

[@juliuskurtz8143]

Didn't Frank coach the colts as well

[@AllenMacintyre]

And I though RG3’s final with Washington was bad!

[@kyle1910]

So Ganssz's explanation was word salad

[@kyle1910]

Correction: not word salad but straight gaslighting

[@DNSKansas]

The 1987 Chiefs deserved their misery. Jack Del Rio punched Otis Taylor while on the picket line.

[@animemaster4861]

This guy is actually wrong there have been instances were two quarterbacks works no you can have two but it has to be done and they both split time I e Bob waterfield and Norm van brocklin the 1950season. The problem with how the Chiefs did it they didn't have any organization or any structure in it.

[@grizzgrizzly7208]

If you have 2 quarterbacks, you have none

[@animemaster4861]

@@grizzgrizzly7208 then how do you explain Norm van brocklin and Bob waterfield or Steve Young and Joe montana. Or four more recent example how do you explain the 2022 San Francisco 49ers.purdy and garapallo

[@chrisrobinson8339]

:48 😆. DAMN

[@steveandersen2291]

Sounds like you are reaching here.

[@beast1160]

Talk about a dumb decision!!!!!

[@TheAoalec14]

Still blows one’s mind the jaguars beat the bills and held a josh Allen offense to 6 points urban Meyer is a legend. Also the team HE assembled knocked the red hot clots out of the playoffs. Clearly a team and franchise that’s on the rise. DUUUval!

[@davesimms8825]

Does this remind you of any current day politicians?

[@Neufutur]

No, because this is football and politics is politics.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

...because zero politicians ever lied/gave a mushmouth answer to a question before current day?

[@wynnexed]

This coaching move was worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.

[@JonPITBZN]

"How can a QB be ready to play, but not ready to start?" If you have a QB who you think can hold his own against defenses that hadn't gameplanned for him, but would be overwhelmed against defenses that had all week to prepare for him. I guess Frank Seurer might fall into this category. He certainly wasn't good enough to beat defenses as a starter. I can understand preferring to go with Bill Kenney since he was a quality QB while Seurer and Blackledge were...not. But you're 1-6 and Kenney has three different injuries. At some point you gotta give him time to heal so that you'll have him next year.

[@jewsco]

Sorry no team deserves a great Qb more than my bears who haven’t had a great one since the 1940s and Sid Luckman

[@bstkptsec]

Wrong Jim McMahon lol

[@jewsco]

@@bstkptsec McMahon was not great

[@keithharper1470]

What did McMahon in was one of the dirtiest plays ever McMahon was really never right on or off the field after that

[@jewsco]

@@matthewdaley746 sadly you are oh so right .

[@jewsco]

@@keithharper1470 that definitely didn’t help and did for all practical reasons end his career . But he was always injury prone

[@jeffanderson3962]

Basically this is what would happen every week if Joe Biden was an NFL coach.

[@Stopcommentingthesamecomments]

It is about time we got a qb thats for sure my whole life we were bad to average and we finnally won a superbowl