The Dutch Aren’t Perfect

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This is a video on why the Netherlands, for all of its infrastructure glory and fantastic government graphic design, the Netherlands still isn't a perfect country.
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[Hoog]

Please check out: www.curiositystream.com/hoog It makes videos like this possible, and it gives you access to really, really wonderful documentaries. ERRORS: Bargaining duration should be in days NOT months. Sources: hoogisamonkey.substack.com/p/sources-the-netherlands-isnt-perfect

[Niels Korpel]

@Richard Garrison That is quite a statement from chancellor Bismarck there. I wonder how well that'll age.

[Richard Garrison]

The English captions a real hoot. The second chamber of the legislatures is the Twede Kamer. In the captions this is rendered as both "trade a camera" and "Toyota Camray." However, the point about cooperation being forced across class lines since early times applies. Chancelor Bismarck is said to have proposed this solution to the Irish problem: "The Irish and the Dutch should trade counties. The Dutch, being sober and disciplined, would make of Ireland a garden and feed the world. The Irish, being quarrelsome and inclined to drink, would neglect the dikes and the sea would come in, drowning them all."

[Sobyeski]

Wow you are self critical. I thought I was bad! My take is it was a really good intro in to the Dutch political system. As to your point ref "historic levels of distrust ", this is not incorrect, maybe just make the framing more specific to add punch. Lastly don't shy away from using your research to add your opinion, it's why people will come back and watch more! Great vid.

[trancemadmaz]

Are you Dutch putting on an American accent or an American with Dutch parents and Dutch is your native tongue?

[LiVeen]

darn, I kinda fucked up. didnt realize that only premium curiositystream comes with nebula.. still a great price for CS though, thanks Hoog!

[Job Mertens]

It's hilariously clear you're a Dutchy. Only Dutch people can be this venomous about Dutch political parties while still somehow including an undertone of pride about the system as a whole, love it

[NotMe]

@Tevarin Vagabond Yes, it's kind of depressing isnt it? Fellow Norwegian.

[Tevarin Vagabond]

@Alex what are you talking about? Racism is not an issue in the US, but it is in Europe! You all are super racist against immigrants. Also, there's not many shootings, lmao...most are criminal against criminal shootings, which literally is booming in Norway right now

[Nasty Nate]

@Bee High! I think DiCaprio did a spot on job in 'Blood Diamond' when his character was behind rocks, taking fire, and he had a phone call to make: "ja, ja, ja, ik komen."

[Bee High!]

Gotta love how people are bashing me for pointing out how him pronouncing Dutch villages perfectly gives away he's Dutch. I know, you fkin nitwits. I'm Dutch myself.

[Ethan Darnell]

“We saved a lot of money by not cooking anything remotely delicious” did not expect this 😂

[perfectally cromulent]

@HomerOJSimpson that's only true if you pretend British Indian food is Indian, rather than British, despite being present in the UK for well over a century, with many dishes developed while south Asia was part of the British Empire. the UK thinks its national dish is chicken tikka masala, why don't you?

[HomerOJSimpson]

@Dulguunjargal a question I would like to have answered

[Dulguunjargal]

How do british people cook Indedible food yet still be poor with a high paying job

[HomerOJSimpson]

@INTERNETPIRAAT I love Turkish and I’ve Ive actually tried Dutch Indonesian - very good!

[INTERNETPIRAAT]

@HomerOJSimpson Hey! If you're interested in trying out new tastes I think you should give the Dutch Indonesian, Turkish or Surinamese kitchen a try. These kitchens definitely have less dutch influence but are still part of our culture

[Not Just Bikes]

The Netherlands isn't perfect?! Why wasn't I informed?! This video is great. The merchant, the priest, and the angry old man is so accurate. Well done as usual, Hoog. The Netherlands definitely isn't perfect ... it's just better than anywhere else I've ever lived. In particular, the really sad part about the housing crisis in the Netherlands is that it's even worse in Canada. 😔 And the response to corona was so much better here than where I used to live in Ontario. And I still vastly prefer the coalition infighting of the Netherlands to Canada, where instead of voting for who you want, you have to vote strategically to avoid the other guy getting in, because a party with only ~33% of the vote can get a complete majority to enact whatever legislation they want.

[Millevenon 585]

@Moartem S Japan

[Apple Syrup Gaming]

maybe because of density limits.....

[bumble]

I love netherlands!

[mingiemuis 23]

Spot on :)

[Я]

I don't know if the housing crisis is worse in Canada. According to 2019 figures homelessness in the Netherlands is almost double that of Canada. Standard of living in the Netherlands is still among the highest of the world (if you have a house) but Switzerland, Scandinavian countries and some ulta-rich micro states definitely beat the Netherlands in that regard. Also we're clearly regressing. Another things you have to appreciate about countries like Canada is the nature. In the Netherlands the nature is... Well we don't really have nature. And politics, don't even go there. It's very complicated at the moment and don't forget we also live in the proto-federation of the EU. Anyway, I'd consider the possibility that the Netherlands may be exceptionally nice for an expat with some euro's on his hand and that the reality for the average person may be different🙂

[John]

"It's not easy to have experts on financial, education, foreign, and green energy policy with only one or two people unless they're KZbinrs, of course, who are experts on everything." I died from laughter! ☠

[Vysair]

the way it walks too!

[Betula]

And KZbin commenters I might assert.

[Michael Kennedy]

Volt lets students without personality find all their meaning in European Integration I've been personally attacked

[xxx]

@Almerinda Romeira There are, but not so many dumb parties that high-educated young people vote for..

[xxx]

I mean, is he wrong?

[Kronos]

Thank God I do the exact same thing but I am different for doing it at D66. The primary difference between the two? The logo and name. I guess nuclear energy is also an option.

[dragonslayer2255]

@Mark because I agreed with most points in their party program and think their proposals were the right mix of building an sustaining our social safety net without just spending money like it’s free which you see in a lot of left wing parties

[Simplicissimus]

Absolutely stunning content! 🔥

[SnooglyTube]

A Simpli comment with that little upvotes? That‘s a first for me

[xKelp]

​@Livak Productions du meinst ihr

[Fuf_]

ohaa simpli

[AiM__FreakZ]

@Livak Productions die leben in den niederlanden? wieso unerwartet?

[Livak Productions]

du hier xd ?! Des war jetzt unerwartet

[GojiMet86]

RIP to Americans who thought this was a huge takedown and expose on the Dutch bicycle system.

[J]

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[chickenfishhybrid44]

@Java_Siege_ that's how it little it affects them, yeah.

[Java_Siege_]

@chickenfishhybrid44 Maybe thats because Americans barely know what Europe is.

[framegote]

@happyblt that's "the merchant"

[chickenfishhybrid44]

RIP to Euros who actually believe Americans think of them at all.

[Yann1ck]

The moment I realized you were Dutch, I was already expecting a jab at Belgium. And tbh, as a Belgian myself, I agree. Belgian politics are something I wouldn't touch with a 10m stick

[MakeShiftParadox]

@A C Can you please explain? Cuz' I don't see the connection.

[Lucas Levinsky]

@Kiba Anazuka touch with a 10.1M stick 🤓

[A C]

It's for the Belgium that the UK left.

[Mark Hazeldine]

@Kiba Anazuka Yeah. I learned a little bit about it from the Tim Traveller channel, about the Charleroi metro system that got built and never opened. Crazy story.

[Aldila Irsyad Noi]

Been living in the NL only for one year but I found the merchant, priest, and angry old man analogy damn accurate!

[Lisanne Schop]

@Lord Hypnocat lol but I also kinda agree with him. That must be the old nitpicker insixe of me lol

[rr9736]

@Lynott Parris The irony LOL

[Lord Hypnocat]

@Dutch Man found the angry old man

[Mary Blick]

Me too (and I am here for only 4 month). Lol the old grumpy was the first, merchant is the second revelation, and the priest I've felt in people a bit later

[autohmae]

Later he basically said PvdA is the old man, so maybe it should just have been: worker or employee or something

[Laura Camargo]

The part where he said "like the cheese sandwich for lunch, an example of frugality that so extreme that is embarrassing" had me dying.

[DaBakonAder]

@‌Royal Dutch is old english and german combined. Thats why.

[‌Royal]

@DaBakonAder I know French, German and English (other languages too but they are not relevant) But I do not know dutch, then tell me WHY DO I UNDERSTAND YOU ?!?

[DaBakonAder]

Maar het werkt! Waarom afval?

[Daniel Robertson]

Kaas én vlees op je boterham? Poeh poeh, wat ben je rijk!

[g]

Excellent video! I love the Netherlands and it’s people. Sometimes I feel the Dutch don’t realize how stable and fair their governing bodies are compared to the rest of the world. I’ve lived in many countries and I’ve never seen integrity and work-ethic like in the Netherlands anywhere. I’m just trying to shed some light from an outsiders point of view.

[Tom]

It's extremely stable thanks to the endless bickering of the billion different parties. Don't take me wrong, I see that as an often-but-not-always-good thing. Much much better than having one party in power, introducing their laws and policies, and the next party undoing all of it again...

[xLuna]

We love to shit on ourselves, but are still proud of ourselves somewhere. I feel like we know, deep down, we're doing well, and we're proud of this. But to maintain this be need to be critical and keep trying to improve ourselves.

[Nick]

Laughed at work ethic

[Atro Patene]

"But Belgium is Belgium" Enough said 🤣

[slapperorange]

Honestly, I recently moved as a Dutch person to Belgium and a lot of the facilities and cost of living are much better at the moment. Love shitting on your country all day long but damn am I glad that I live there now too haha

[Thefreakyfreek]

@Kars 1 this is the way

[Kars 1]

@Thefreakyfreek Maybe the french so we could pick on them (even more)

[Thefreakyfreek]

@Sir Thanksalot but deep down we love our southern brothers and we would not want anyone els tere

[Jerden VD Velde]

As a dutchy myself, I can tell this is pretty accurate. As people have said, the old man, merchant and priest analogy is a sharp metaphor. And the housing crisis is in my opinion one of, if not the biggest, issue of our country. When it comes to the political side of things, if I had any critisism against it, its that it feels like the most important decisions get stuck in the mud so to speak. Stuck in a political development hell. And continuing with that analogy, it also feels like a lot of decisions get dropped on the cutting room floor. (Looking at you, migration laws)

[Jerden VD Velde]

@Daniel Robertson I do agree with that on some levels, but I'd take the inaction of the Netherlands over the two-party system of America any day. I'd rather have the many options I have, then the two terrible options that they've got. Trump was such a disaster, that a centrist must be mad to vote on anything else but Biden.

[Daniel Robertson]

When push comes to shove, an American or an Englishman will have a vision and do something. Even if it's a stupid choice (Liz Truss mini-budget), better a bad action then no action. The Dutch however, will spend years hearing everyone's opinion and then usually just do nothing. Which is often the best choice, but very infuriating!

[Jerden VD Velde]

@YsbrandD Honestly I think all the parties should loosen up a bit, no point in bickering when it's too late. When it comes to the refugee crisis, the old unprogressive bags that run PvdA for example are slowing that wa-a-a-y down. Same goes for the emissions produced by farming, being both well overplayed by opposing parties for the animals and the one for the farmers. (Look, I don't care what political views you have, you must agree, there's always a better voting option then those two parties)(honestly I don't know why they exist)

[YsbrandD]

agreed, the housing crisis is shit idk if I am gonna be able to get a home by the time I have to look (which is in like 7 years even so quite a while still) and then there are refugees too who need homes too, all of it is too much... Groen Links should really let the housing standards climate wise loosen a bit otherwise it will not be fixed for another 20-30 years :/

[Ruben]

I don't like the "let's make the people be less representable by following Germany" sentiment. Enforcing it also conveniently makes all the big parties even bigger without any extra effort, so obviously you won't easily find a big party (voter) who is against it

[Christina Grandrath]

Totally agree. The 5% threshold in Germany becomes more and more an undemocratic feature because a larger percentage of voters are not represented in parliaments. It's more a problem in some states than the federal parliament but if >10% of votes are basically thrown out and over-represent bigger parties you have a problem at some point. It frustrates voters of newer parties that are often favoured by younger voters. The reasoning for this is always the Weimarer Republik where the number of parties in parliament paved the way for the Nazis but this is just a very, very incomplete way of thinking about it. BTW, the 5% threshold is not used for the European Parliament elections nor local election.

[Lynott Parris]

@Hoog It's not a free choice. In a representative democracy the treshold is what it is. There is a number of votes for each seat in parliament, otherwise it wouldn't be representative as in one man, one vote. An artificial treshold is undemocratic in it's nature, it's up to the voters whether they want smaller parties. And smaller parties can grow big, but not if they are artificially blocked out. The obvious reason big parties want tresholds is pointed out well above, but they use their own incompetence to work with the representation the voters put in and the ungovernability their own big party systems, which are not the product of the legal/constitutional system and even conflict with it, as an excuse.

[Hoog]

I think you’re right

[Kamome]

Wow. I didn’t know the Netherlands could be so…imperfect. This video is so good and the lighting is just spot on🤩

[Koen W]

I love your channel

[Bas Stuurwold]

Ik vind vooral de donkere sfeer van de video perfect aansluiten bij de serieuze toon die je aandraagt. Wát een topvideo.

[Nasty Nate]

I'm assuming he's first generation at most too with his pronunciations. But yeah, any publicity is good publicity ;)

[A C]

hij gaat machtige vijanden maken. Ik zou stil blijven.

[Janikowski]

Once again a great video. A lot of videos I watch about the Netherlands are very positive about the way we do certain things around here. And I think it’s a good thing as a Dutch person to look around a appreciate some of the great things we’ve accomplished as a nation. But for outsiders it’s also important to see that we’re far from perfect and have our own demons.

[Kayle Bradley]

(honestly, your demons seem pretty cute)

[Cary Wang]

Hoog who are you? You've gotta be one of the most talented storytellers I've ever heard

[Remke Seyben]

It’s amazing that you made this video. As a Dutchy myself I always have the feeling I need to break international friends out of their perfect fantasy about this country. It is all an image, a mask. Next time I’ll just refer to your video.

[Daniël van Werven]

I think the real problem is that the Polder Model only works if everyone in the room agrees that floodings (figurative) are bad, but right now this is not the case: - VVD believes that people shouldn't be cuddled by the government, and just prevent their own floodings - CDA thinks that floodings are bad, but sacrifices must be made in order to stay in power forever, so they will agree with whatever the VVD wants - PvdA would love to prevent floodings, right after they stop fighting among themselves - PVV just really wants to talk about how they hate 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation immigrants, and muslims - FVD thinks that floodings are a hoax, but they are definitely caused by an evil cabal of liberal elites and ethnic minorities

[Haitian Creole With Luciano]

Love your videos and 3D graphics! You’re such an inspiration!!!

[Xmaster4444]

I was searching for such content for a long time. Great work! Dutch people may be proud of you. Making objective content that we can show to foreign people that think it's a paradise here.

[Bee High!]

Once again, you've created an astonishingly well produced video. Love your content mate, keep it up.

[M M]

6:40 "The Netherlands stands out on top. Now you have Belgium, sometimes... But Belgium is Belgium" That just cracked me up so hard how you left it at that without saying more about what you mean cause we all know what you mean hahahahhahaha... Belgium gonna Belgium ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's just a typical Belgian thing that Belgium gonna do.

[Flouemz]

Great video as usual! While different in a lot of ways, in Denmark we are facing similar issues of low trust to the politicians and currently 14 parties fighting for seats in parliament this coming election (with population of only 6 million people).

[Damian]

Je content wordt per upload beter, Hoog. Ga zo door!

[Weeb Dog]

@xCreeperBombx English is actually sort of based off of German, Dutch, French and a bunch of other languages. It's honestly the pure definition of what you said, but just the other way around.

[Prima - Mghrbiss]

@xCreeperBombx He used two English words in that sentence tho. (Well Content is a French word but he used it in the English way)

[xCreeperBombx]

Today I learrned Dutch looks like English with a stroke

[Bastian]

Really like your video. And I always wondered how German poltics would be without a percentage hurdle, because in Germany it is really frustrating to see that over 10% of the votes are not represented because the hurdle is to high, preventing new voices from being heard almost completly and gives the big parties a monopoly (or at least an unfaire advantige) on politics which gets worse when you consider that most Germans can't agree with any party currently in parlament. In my opinion there should be a balance that allows small parties with new ideas to rise and prevents the fractioning of parlaments, so there should be a hurdle but that should not be to high.

[HendrikdePendrik]

@Bastian I think it's good for Germany to be cautious with the small parties due to the legacy of the NSDAP that keeps returning. I think it's good how Germany can have real change by changing from CDU to SPD. That's not possible in the Netherlands. We always end up with centrist policies: Social democrats which are forced to make huge budget cuts, classic liberals forced to become cyclists, progressives which are forced to continue Clean Coal. Parties too far left-wing or right-wing refuse to cooperate and get disqualified from governing the country next time.

[Piet Hein]

you could have a ranked choice voting system, we even have this a tiny bit in the netherlands although not according to voter choice in the form of party afiliations

[Moritz Friedrich]

Your videos are truly of incredible quality and value! Thank you so much for spending your time on them!

[Sup]

I live in Portugal, and honestly? This is so unproblematic compared to what we’re dealing with that this video just made me want to go to the NL even more

[xxx]

I've never felt more Dutch than watching this video, all Amazing video. The only thing I'd wish for is that the things to read (statements, graphs, citations) would stay on a little longer to actually be able to read them (or the highlighted parts anyway) without having to pause the video. Vox always does this really well in terms of timing. :) But thanks for the great explanation, I'll definitely share this with my internacho-friends :)

[FamiliaNuclear]

Love these videos! Really well made! what do you use to animate them? is there a tutorial you follow, recommend, or even make?

[Connor D]

A little while ago (the Barcelona video) we had a short discussion about taking a stance on issues and representing oneself as an authority (or not). Back then I said you pulled your punches too much and it led to a confusing tone with no clear direction, despite many other positive traits. Well, despite your sources preface claiming you had a similar problem here, I really like the assertion that Dutch persona is a culmination of the priest, merchant, and old man. Is this 100% accurate and defensible? Certainly not. But it's an interesting framing, and it gives me a much better understanding of the Netherlands that I had before (which was just random anecdotes and vague stereotypes that are even less accurate). I also thought the discussion of your consensus-based political system was quite good and didn't come off as unreasonably biased. You do a good job of being self-deprecating occasionally so you don't come off as overconfident. I think you're headed in the right direction. The tone is no longer confusing (although it's unfortunate to see you're so conflicted still, in the sources page). Production has been great. The 3d models have gotten a lot better. I like the sound design improvements. If I could offer one criticism, in some recent videos I get a bit lost on the trail of thought, so having a stronger narrative thread or video outline would be great. Altogether, I'm excited to see what you continue producing! P.S. Is the Patreon still around? If so you should plug it!

[Hoog]

@Piet Hein To be honest Piet, the VVD, CDA, PVDA analogy was actually purely intended as a joke, and I did not mean for it to mean that PVDA is the cause of the housing crisis

[randomviewer]

@Piet Hein the PVV is pretty new compared to the 3 main parties who go way back. so it makes sense to keep them out. They also have never been in power so pretty irrelevant.

[Piet Hein]

I think trying to frame the big 3 parties trough the lens of the merchent the old man and the priest also takes a lot away from it makes it sound like for example the housing crisis was created by the PvDA bickering to much. And it leaves big current parties with a strong effect on the current political crises like PVV entirely out of the discussion

[Evo Ape]

those 3D models and animations are just god level 🔥

[djdaanbanaan]

Wat een geweldige video! Je legt het heel goed uit en die paar grappen tussendoor maken het al helemaal een genot om naar te kijken. Ga zo door!

[Willem van Oranje]

Ik moet zeggen, dat dit echt een prachtige manier van uitleggen is. De Priester, de Handelaar en de Oude Man, wat een intrigerende manier om het te zien.

[Thijs Kuijpers]

Such a good and well made video. Ga zo door !

[Xanarchy FN]

Thank you for putting some of my thoughts far more eloquently than I could do myself, makes perfect sense. While not the be all and end all of the problems it certainly outlines some of the major issues we currently face as a nation

[Pim Ziengs]

Hoog, well done video! A lot of these topics are very hard to explain to my international friends, but you hit the nail on the head.

[R.R. Z.]

Omg, thank you so much for your clear and concise video! This is the exact same thing that pisses off my friends and me abt the politics in our country.

[a 'bit]

One 3-week trip to the Netherlands was all it took for me to become absolutely enamored with Dutch politics. My family has traveled there a lot over the years, but I was always too young to understand what was going on around me. First, we visited Amsterdam. I both enjoyed the walkable cities, and focused on the little things- the stickers on every lamppost and electrical box. I learned about gentrification and squatting. Stories of working class people forced out of their own communities, and the counterculture that birthed- the Amsterdam Defense Force being the piece of it that I came across often. I assumed it was some racist thing, based on its similarities (in name) to the EDL, but no, it really seemed far more focused on gentrification. I also learned about racism and how recently such blatant examples were allowed to sit in broad daylight-that being Zwarte Piet, for one example, but that’s really just the most obvious and in-your-face example. The real issue’s the implications- what isn’t so obvious, what it means for something so obviously racist to be acceptable to so many so recently. I learned about other things, too- the Dutch monarchy and it’s own connections to slavery, and how celebrated it seems to be in Den Hague. I learned about a lot when visiting Wageningen- especially the Dutch Bible Belt and general issues surrounding religion. Really, Americans just love to forget about the existence of other countries. And as a more left leaning individual (by American standards), one of the biggest arguments for increasing social safety nets and especially implementing a universal healthcare system, is to point at the Netherlands and Scandinavian countries in general. I mean, there’s so many more issues than free healthcare, but really- at least you have free healthcare. Ugh.

[Thijs Peeters]

Best video so far, explained very carefully with nice metaphors. I hope this video does well for you because it deserves it

[Pinqu]

Dit is de Hoog-waardige content die we nodig hebben

[Max Pickkers]

I have lived in the Netherlands all my life and I am very happy I have. It is indeed not a perfect country, but I still believe it is an amazing country to live in! So you say the Poldermodel is now a penalty instead of an advantage. What suggestions do you have to tackle some of the great challenges facing the Netherlands nowadays? Perhaps suggestions for changes in the political system?

[Jonas M. M.]

A procentual vote threshhould for parties could help. To set off the negative effects, the vote should be transferable from a party under to one over the threshhould. Increasing the mandate size of the parliament seems like a sufficient option as well. Great video, thanks!

[Chad]

amazing video, insanely well researched and the visuals are top notch! respect

[Bram]

Mooi gemaakt kerel. Ik weet niet waar je studeert maar je hebt een heldere kijk op dingen.

[Aurelia]

What an excellent video! I also really like the animation on this channel

[Brazukaa]

fantastic video, really reminded of 1791L´s channel before they disbanded. the very high quality essays on interesting topics paired up with the beauftifull 3d models give these types of videos a type of elegance only uptainable on youtube.

[Shaun Cheah]

I typically watch most videos (especially edutainment like Wendover Productions and Not Just Bikes) on 2.0x speed or higher (Video Speed Controller extension for Chrome means I go up to 3.5x speed sometimes), but I realized pretty early on that I needed to take this one at 1.5x. There's so much to absorb, and the content is so beautiful. I'm a big fan of the channel so far, and I'm excited to watch it grow. It's already so great; I'm eager to see what further greatness it can achieve.

[DoraLaEsplotadora]

@Not Just Bikes don’t worry, me and I guess most people never put a video of yours faster than 1x

[Pxh612]

I used to do that a lot but there is too many instances where I had to play back the video because of some info i didnt heard/understand correctly so now to have some pretension of saving time I just play it normally on the background while doing other thing (as if I leave the TV on) and let my attention do it jobs. Other reason I found out is that the slower you take in something, the better your mind retain it, so there're no real direct benefit but a trade-off (unless the video has no substantial thing to say then it would get quickly breezed through at 4x speed)

[Not Just Bikes]

ಠ_ಠ

[Charlie]

I struggle to adopt this method because while I know it would save me time and my attention would be satisfied more consistently, I fear diminishing the video's intended pacing and losing the potential, though marginal, benefits of active listening. Will my attention span grow ever narrower or will I become energized by the more frequent stimulation of ideas? Am I refusing to speed through life or forgetting to adapt my tempo for efficient learning?

[ahmed abdi]

wow. this is an amazing video. It makes so much sense. As someone who grew up in the Netherlands this resonates so well. The housing crisis in the Netherlands is ridiculous especially for us young people. Almost impossible to get in. Toffe video Hoog

[fok]

Except for all the migrants. 200.000 this year alone...

[Kam S]

I just moved to the Netherlands 2 months ago. There’s been a lot of this that I’m experiencing for the first time.

[Brietannia 🔆]

I'm glad to see KZbinrs address "The Dutch Question" :) Great video as always pal. Was really enjoyable to watch.

[Nina Van Wijk]

What a gem of a KZbin channel this is! Hope you get many more subscribers soon, cause your videos are brilliant!! Gonna add this to the list of videos that explain the Netherlands better than I myself can 🤣

[Hoog]

Dank je Nina

[AJ]

11:34 Reading the comments I feel like this went over a lot of peoples' heads but as a Dutchman this part of the video cracked me the fuck up. Great work, Hoog.

[In the Mists of Time - with Sarah]

Great video hoog! I loved the dikes explanation. A theory on Egyptian and Mesopotamian early state formation has a very similar point to offer.

[SpiegT]

I’m Dutch and I gotta say that this is pretty darn accurate. For real. Or, as Dutchies also like to say: “lekker gewerkt, pik!”

[TheMythh]

I might be wrong, but did you include more SFX this time around? Lovely video, the simple graphics, I feel, somehow help more than something which could be more precise or complex like a 3D model; The area of discussion, of course, weights a lot in terms of this choice, but I just wanted to say it's [your style] left and impression on me and feels like the right choice at the moment. Edit: the analogy is very helpful for better understanding of the dutch temperament. I would like to comment on the content of the video, but i feel very out of depth in the topic.

[SDPRZ]

You've outdone yourself this time buddy, these visuals are on a whole different level to when you first started.

[Saurav Ayyagari]

today was one of the most productive youtube rabbit holes I have ever went down. I actually started taking notes. I am definitely gonna sign up for curiosity stream and nebula.

[awreno]

Amazing motion graphics and production quality, bravo!

[Kvasiruney]

As someone living in the Netherlands now, having come from a bigger country, it is still wild to me that a group of less than 200 people are able to do so much (often shit). Like there are whole arguments between parties in parliament but it's like 20 people?? At most?? In one party. Like how can you not deal (Pls take this with a grain of salt)

[Niels Korpel]

That vote on the last motion of distrust on Mark Rutte after the Toeslagenschandaal. If I recall correctly, it was only the party leaders voting. That would mean only four people were needed to let Rutte stay. Couldn't we give the trustworthyness of our MP a little bit more consideration?

[Adrian Lisko]

my impression was that the current polder model is the version of social contract agreed upon in the 80s, where everyone has a say so the whole group has to wait for the slowest and most incompetent people and hence have meeting ad nauseam until they get agreement, whereas before it must have been stricter and a bit more ruthless, more like if you're not going with us you'll fail or even die alone (because of water), they wouldn't be able to build all the major "dijk" construction projects and Flevoland in 10 years in the 50s with the current model

[Gamtheus]

Great video, graphically amazing and content wise great. I only got one major disagreement, which is very few for such a complicated (and possible controversial topic/discussion). Keep up the great work

[Dutch Man]

👌

[Zeeschelp]

thank you! its interesting to see why the poldermodel doesnt work anymore. we dont have a clear goal and were more polarized than ever

[Natalie Jensen]

Wow!!! As a Dutchy I’ve tried to figure out how to explain this to people!!! Especially the the Dutch personality. You hit the nail on the head!!! Spijker op de kop. (Subscribed)

[Mellierrrrr]

Heerlijk de combi tussen perfect Nederlands en vloeiend Amerikaans ❤ Super leuk ook om te zien hoe ond politieke systeem vanuit het letterlijke polderen met íedereen uit de samenleving komt!

[Bas Scheffener]

As alwasy a good video thank you. And if i may i want to add something on you calling out the dutch parliament for being too small compared to the amount of people they should be representing. I think that it is also a problem that people do not find themselfs to be heard whether they are in or outside of a party, and since the treshold is pretty low to enter (only 64.000 votes) you are always better off going into De tweede kamer (parliment) itself. So having more people in the parliment would be good but i think we also need a way to represent small one time opinions on a more consistant basis so they will not go into parliment with just one or two goals. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Oh and respect to that First call

[Matthijs]

@Bas Scheffener but i think if they stand there and think by themselves, oh i fight for racism but now i can also give my opinion about other subjects. And i agree with you that the main goal is on the background then. But i think that party should just merge with a party that is a lot like the same as theirs. Bc you can make a party bigger, and also make more diversity. If you have a party that is for example central left, is for more equality and that kinda stuff then i think it would be benificial for a party as BIJ1 to join them, but i think and i don't think they are wrong, they wouldn't merge bc they want to do it themselves. I don't think only a bigger treshold with passing the votes through another party is the best way. If you can give a party your votes but still have some influence or like a section in that party. Like GL BIJ1 so GL is the main party but they also have a section BIJ1 where people can fight and debate for that one topic. And if one of those sections get so big or a lot of people of that section are getting in the House of Representives they should apply for being their own party but i think it should be 3 or 4 seats or something like that. I think if you keep having a lot of parties for single goals, it will be bad, bc everyone can then go into the house of representives and fight for one subject. I mean like then you get the Fishers party for the Fisherman , or like the building party for the builders etc. And all those parties wouldn't only talk about fish or about building it would be nice if you just had sections in parties that have like their own representives but still are under that party. But that also could have problems but i think if they only fight for their problems and only will participate in BIJ1 for example racism debates and BBB go to CDA or JA21 and do farmers debates. then they could focus more on that subject so i think the debates would be better and the laws. But thats just what i'm thinking

[Bas Scheffener]

​@Niels Korpel Well yes, for i think that if you are going into De tweede kamer you are going to feel the pressure to deal with every problem the country has, not just the one you want to focus upon. For example you have the small party called Bij1. This is a party that has been made by Silvana Simons with the intention to combat racism. But in the last tweede kamer election it seems visible to me that she has the pressure to deal with every issue that the Netherlands has and therefore cannot (in my opinion) put all her efforts into her main goal, fighting racism. Another example is the BBB, they are a party that came up to defend the farmers in the Netherlands and just as Bij1 they are right to do so. But i am worried that they too will feel too much pressure to deal with everything and then fail to concentrate all their efforts to this single goal. That is why i think that a single goal party needs a better way to express their opinion, i fear (a fear that has come true with some) that they loose time by not doing the things that would solve their problem.

[Niels Korpel]

Is it bad if special parties come in de tweede kamer, just in one election cycle? Simply because they had a specific mix of points, that mattered only in that election?

[MUsuallyLurking]

it's so rare find new gems in KZbin. Amazing writing.

[Eric Zucchini]

Fantastic video. I'd love to see one of those for every euro country. Just throwing the idea out there. Who knows.

[Jens Aukema]

Prachtige productie weer!

[Velozio Productions]

The right mix of education and humour, I love it

[Hand Lotion]

What a piece of art in every way

[134343]

You outdid yourself with these animations. Chapeau 👏

[Tim Seckinger]

It's interesting, in Germany (except perhaps in conservative circles) the 5% threshold is often viewed as an annoying hurdle that the big two (with the rise of the Greens increasingly the big three) parties use to conserve their power and keep you from voting for the small party you can actually agree with. I always admired the Dutch consensus building system and never thought the Dutch crises to be caused by it. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side...

[Spring Roll]

Goede video man! Ik ben een bestuurskunde student en heb eerder met 1ste kamerlid mei li de vos gesproken en zij had het ook iver dat er te veel partijen waren en dat 2de kmr leden gewoon te weinig tijd en ondersteuning krijgen bij hun taak, maar niemand durft natuurlijk om meer geld te vragen om dat te faciliteren.

[Zephyr]

Coming from an American, this is really informative. Everyone knows that our country is rife with problems and political instability, and we lag far behind our friends in Europe. But many Americans think this means that Europe is this utopia where everything is perfect and there’s no corruption or dysfunction, and that’s obviously not the case, even for a country as forward-thinking as the Netherlands. There’s many things we can and should learn from them, but pretending that Europe is perfect and that there’s nothing redeeming about our own country doesn’t help anything.

[King David]

More videos on the netherlands please! I love it

[Ruud Hollenberg]

Good video, I left the country 2 years ago. But I have trouble expressing what it is in the Netherlands that made me leave. This has given a little clarity.

[Gio]

I'm going to move to the Netherlands with my soon-to-be wife in a few years. We're studying dutch together and we're both fluent in english. It's good to know it's not all roses in regards to the country, even though I was aware of the housing problem.

[SmileyMPV]

Of course it's not all roses here. Instead, we're all about the tulips :)

[Gio]

@JP Thank you for the wonderful tips! I'll be sure to make an effort with my dutch. :)

[JP]

Studying dutch helps, but I know for a fact people will start talking back in english to you. Not because it’s more comfortable for them, but because they think it’s more comfortable for you. Don’t fall for this trap if you plan on staying. Dutch friendships last long and not speaking the language makes you seem like you’re not gonna stick around. A Dutch saying goes like this: “it’s better to have a good neighbor than to have a far friend”. Neighbors are always a good place to begin, though not all neighbors are the same.

[Laroling]

I'd go to germany instead.

[dekippiesip]

Every country has it's share if issues and controversies. I hope you enjoy yourself here though!

[Luros]

French person who lived 4 years in NL here. What you described sounds like somewhat real democracy to me. People keep thinking about democracy as if it is some magical land where all problems are solved. It has its ups and its down but I think the ups outweight the downs. Although would be nice if they agreed to build more stuff because the rent keeps increasing and I don't like it. This being said it's not like the rent in France is any cheaper, so still a net win for me.

[Fokussiert]

Damn that video is great. Id love to see this as like a series maybe twlking about other european countries too

[Jan Verkoren]

Cda is the old angry man and PvdA is the priest change my mind

[Dutch Uncle]

The PvdA sold their soul to the merchant under Kok's leadership and has never recovered.

[waswat]

@Seculi I disagree wholeheartedly, if anyone is on 'big business' side, that'd be VVD. PvdA made their mistake when going into a coalition with the VVD and gave up too much for it... They're is still paying for that, but calling them big business is just nonsense. Most company CEOs/entrepreneurs are going to vote for VVD if anything.

[Seculi]

@waswat That`s not really how they have been behaving like in government. They are more on the big business side now.

[waswat]

Pvda is the old angry worker

[Ifer]

I agree. CDA may represent christians, but they do so in the role of the old man. And PvdA is one of the parties that most favors 'normalcy'

[Quintiax]

"But Belgium is Belgium." As someone living there, for both good and bad, I agree.

[Moony]

Dang didn’t realise you were on Nebula or I would have watched there. A common problem I see with Nebula cross posters is they don’t mention it until way into the video or near the end. Could you perhaps have the Nebula icon or something at the beginning of your video so people have some sort of prompt to make the switch, even if you don’t want to do the promotion piece until later? Overall really great video and always great to hear about more creators over on Nebula, my only problem as shown above is keeping track of you all and who is and isn’t on there. XD :)

[The Cashier]

It's literally within the first few seconds on the tram

[yasemin savci]

Great job Hoog. You are the best!

[Kügul]

Your unique animation style is so cool!

[Silvester van Meijgaarden]

I really love my country (its vibe, cities, people etc.) but I'm also worried that a lot of stuff is going down the drain and this country might get into further crisis like its housing shortage and possible overpopulation which might cause nature to disappear around the Randstad. Or the political nonsense. Also, I know this country has never been perfect and it never will, but so goes that for every country. Every place has its pros and cons. But I'm satisfied enough here!🇳🇱🥰🇳🇱 Thanks for the vide! 😊💖

[Silvester van Meijgaarden]

@Lechite Europe is Europe, where did you learn topography?

[Nove Dad]

Im always between the feeling of an interesting view for a credible, well researched topic, and the subjective, biased opinion of a student that spends too much time working on the animation and too little working in the script

[The Father]

Eindelijk een goede uitleg, ook voor internationale reach

[GPB]

According to my non-Dutch social science gf this was by far the best analogy anyone has ever made of Dutch people. So I can only agree.

[TwoCold]

Holy cow my mans made a whole movie level production

[Juan]

The thing I hate the most about the Netherlands is the housing mafia. It's just stupid, horrible, and nobody is doing anything about it. It's either you are poor and get it for cheap, or your are rich and buy many of them. But the middle class it's out of the game, unless buying some old crappy house in the middle of nowhere that needs repairs.

[Spartan117ZM -]

Seems like the overall government system does work, there just needs to either be a limit on the total number of parties or a higher threshold for a party to gain access to parliament, because a lot of the issues appear to stem from having so many parties who can no longer agree on things, and as you pointed out, which also make it harder to build an efficient coalition, because every party now has to have a stance on every issue (which also affects your point about politicians trying to loudly talk over others and throw positioning statements out).

[Yume Deslock]

Finally someone that makes a video abut this. Especially trying to get a house is either so expensive that I would need to rob a bank just to get a shot.

[Rosalie]

"But Belgium is Belgium" Spoken like a true dutchman.

[free spirit 1]

"there are too many parties, our representative democracy is literally too representative!" Yeah... let's keep it that way.

[Dutch Man]

@Michelle Catlin I did, democracy wasn't the issue. According to me there were some other minor problems...

[Michelle Catlin]

Yea that worked so well for the Weimar Republic

[Dutch Man]

@randomviewer Some disappeared, like RKPN, RPF, Boeren Partij, Provo, Kabouter and more. It goes in waves, sometimes more, sometimes less. But remember: before the ARP was founded, there were no parties at all, all independent members of parliament, so... 150 parties is the limit.

[randomviewer]

@Dutch Man yeah. I doubt that will happen again though, especially with the small groups. Who would want to merge with Bij1? Or Denk? Or 50+?

[Dutch Man]

@randomviewer That is why PPR+CPN+PSP formed GroenLinks, and KVP+ARP+CHU formed CDA! Two instead of six! To make more room!

[Snoflakes]

The merchant, priest and angry old man is a metaphor I'm going to be using for years to come. Did you come up with it yourself?

[Historia Co]

Ah yes, unparalleled government graphic design, the most important factor to consider for an utopia

[izul]

6:45 i love how the graph shows that belgium is often at 0 and thats bc the moment a goverment falls appart a new goverment awakes bc they undermined the old goverment