The Early Creeds: Historical Facts About Jesus from 30 to 55 AD | Gary Habermas

Distinguished Research Professor and Chair of the Department of Philosophy, Liberty University

[@transcendlongino2283]

I Do accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and Woow thank-you so much Jesus🙏🏿. This was so informational.

[@vhawk1951kl]

what the fcuk does"accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviors my Lord and Savior" actually *mean* apart from it being some lie you tell yourself. If there ever were such a being as Jesus Christ, for which there is not a single shred of extrinsic evidence he, along with the tradition he started is extinct.

[@canadiankewldude]

Gary Habermas is a wonderful speaker and scholar. God bless.

[@audreyboteju2543]

I wish if these were preached in Churches GOD BLESS Gary

[@milliern]

Such a wonderful piece of apologetics work Professor Habermas as created here. Praise to Christ.

[@justincole8039]

Gary is a blessing

[@chrisb6137]

Great to see him do an accessible lecture on this!

[@ericday4505]

This is an outstanding lecture, great stuff.

[@InHocSignoVinces40]

Terrific lecture, thank you for posting!

[@taylorharbin3948]

Very very interesting. I didn’t know this was a subject in biblical studies!

[@Altair1904]

This is one of the most powerful apologetics content I have ever seen

[@vhawk1951kl]

which dolt gave you Elsies the word apologetics? Whoever it was did not understand that if you give the Elsies a new word they will only abuse it.

[@jameshanks5400]

Problem with skeptics is they really don’t want to believe cause they would have to change their lifestyle and focus on God instead of themselves, wealth, power, SIN and material things. They also do t want to believe because they think the books of the New Testament were written down too far from Jesus’s death and resurrection but they forget that the early Christians were already worshipping Jesus as God during and shortly after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. Just because some were written years later doesn’t mean it’s not accurate, reliable or true! God bless

[@pradeepr2044]

Amazing video 🔥 Thank you ❤️

[@lilyw.719]

Great stuff. Thank you!

[@noahguillen2201]

God bless you!

[@whatistruth560]

Interesting Study and view.

[@tommarshall7247]

Oops. I'm the "like" number of the beast...Well, God made every number, so let's not worry, too much. 🙂 I love these talks of Gary's. They opened God's word up to me in a new way. Thank you 🙂

[@djcoffey4450]

Help my communications professor told me to read Habermas to understand the public sphere so I watched this now I'm even more confused!

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

Brilliant

[@dr.dannygentry7823]

I think it’s wonderful that evangelicals are looking deeply into church history. What they will find there are things that the Orthodox Church has known and has believed from the beginning. We have writings from the early church fathers that compliment and confirm the teachings of the apostles, and we have absolute confidence that our faith (the orthodox faith) is as close to the practices of the early church as one can find, given that our liturgy and history confirms that NOTHING has changed in almost 2 millennia.

[@canadiankewldude]

What do you mean by "Orthodox Church" Greek? I was raised and educated Roman Catholic, which I am no more.

[@happyfuture6515]

Paul Is difficult to grasp because he was given a clear understanding of the mistery of God, the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in his conversion on the way to Damascus! He has put in words the best he could the explanation of the mistery! However, to understand Paul's words we must be gifted by a sufficient dose of Holy Spirit, that's not given to all! So, bottom line, Gary is really pretty good at explaining! God bless him!

[@seenogodspeaknogodhearnogo4531]

Mystery is always mysterious. But, we need more than that or else everything mysterious is godly, i would suppose. Just how did Peter communicate with his god, if in fact he did?

[@janiworthen]

@happyfuture6515 Thank you for giving me hope to better understand Paul’s words. I’ve been struggling with it.

[@petrosianii]

Would be great if someone put all these creed scripture references in the comments

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

it would be , you do it

[@jadenrobert2447]

Luke 24:34 Romans 1:3-4 Romans 10:9 baptismal 1 Corinthians 8:6 Jesus added into the OT shammah 1 Corinthians 11:? 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 Philippians 2:? I’ll update this eventually but this is where I’m at

[@jadenrobert2447]

Please feel free to add to this for me

[@degeelee7758]

Thanks for the video! I was wondering if anyone knew which is the earliest manuscript/papyrus where the Creed in 1 Cor 15 is found?

[@abrahamphilip6439]

The Anaphora of Mari & Addai (off the 72) , the most ancient of Apostolic ,Liturgy, called the "Gem"

[@davidborger1487]

Any one have references for the specific Ehrman and Dodd books he mentioned

[@eagfeagf]

For Dodd read The Apostolic Preaching and Its Developments and The Founder of Christianity

[@JoshKgeorge]

Ehrmans book "Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth" is in Amazon

[@mtdouthit1291]

Luke 24:34 Creed at 6:00

[@rolandovelasquez135]

At 5:06. Just looked at gallery of images of Rudolph Buhtmann. He never smiles. Except in one where he kinda tried but fails. Interesting.

[@vhawk1951kl]

What pray is the difference between a fact and an " historical fact and fact for who?

[@andrewin2]

I testify that Jesus Christ is the one & only Lord & Saviour of my life, that HE died for my sins and was raised from the dead. amen

[@vhawk1951kl]

Hmm, I know you lie or are just chanting some meaningless mantra as if it were magic to suck up to some imaginary authority figure, hoping to ingratiate yourself with it . We both know you do not believe a word of that bunk, but you simply cannot help it because that is how you have ben conditioned programmed or wound up. There is *no-such-thing* as an" historical fact" because the past cannot be experienced-for screamingly obvious reasons.the psychology of chanting lies is forensically interesting, as is why you creature*bother* to lie to yourselves when you know *for-a-certainty* that you are lying. I suppose it is a form of hail Mary, lie and hope.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Gosh there *really_is* another one born every minute. what sins were your speciality titch and what the fcuk is a sin?

[@noahguillen2201]

I think it’s awesome, but what makes the creeds more reliable that Holy Scripture? What makes them stand apart as evidence? And what makes it so sure that’s it’s proven to be earlier? Just curious. BTW I’m a believer and believe all the Holy Scripture by many other means also ✝️🙋🏻‍♂️

[@iranianskeptic]

I think you didn't watch the video. Creeds are not outside the Bible, but they are verses in the Bible that were very popular and well known in the early church and represent the core beliefs of the early church. That is why they are important because they shows the early beliefs of Christianity in 30s AD.

[@noahguillen2201]

@@iranianskeptic yes I understand that are in the Bible but how do they know they were from the early Church and that they were there creeds? Did they find them In places outside of Scripture? I think it awesome just curious

[@greenchristendom4116]

Because we know something of the chronology of the New Testament texts, and these can be shown as common oral formulations going back to the immediate aftermath of the Resurection.

[@Mike00513]

@@noahguillen2201 I think its because Habermas isn’t treating the New Testament like sacred Holy Scripture. Just a collection of historical documents like how a historian would view the New Testament. He’s approaching the resurrection not from a religious bias, but from a historical perspective.

[@robertlight5227]

Do you have any physical evidence for your claim of a physical JC?

[@johncoughtrey6016]

What about all those people that were resurrected and seen by many after JESUS WAS RESURRECTED. They must be a good witness of. JESUS CHRIST RESURRECTION

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@gerryquinn5578]

Some really good stuff, as always, from Gary Habermas. It is obvious that in the NT, Jesus is viewed as the Messiah/ Christ, the Son of God. However, in the credal/confessional/baptismal statements mentioned, it is quite apparent that those who gave the statements(creeds ?) drew a distiction between the LORD God( Jehovah) and the Lord Messiah ( Jesus). One is the servant of the other. One dies and is raised by the other. They are two distinct entities/beings. Even in 1 Cor 8 :6, despite some verbal gymnastics which utterly fail, the context shows that we are talking about the LORD God and his Messiah. Habermas grossly overplays the use of the word Lord. We know that even in the Septuagint, the divine name was still written in ancient hebrew. He refers to Hurtado and his claims that early Christians sang songs of praise to Jesus. But there is a world of difference between singing the praises of YHWH's anointed One / Messiah, his plenipotentiary and the suggestion that they viewed him as YHWH himself. Indeed, Hurtado admits that the historical Jesus never received 'worship; but that this was a later compositioal device of the Evangelist. In his greetings to the Christian communities that he writes to, Paul always gives greetings from TWO: The LORD God and the Lord Messiah/Jesus. (Never three). Indeed, he even calls one the God of the other. Titles and descriptiins such as Son of God and seated at the right hand of God continue to show that even the exalted, gloriofied Jesus was a different being from God. The gospels make the original confession clear : Jessus is the Christ, the Son of God. This is what we learn from the creeds, the early sources and the NT writings. What later generations of Christians came up with is a differnt matter.

[@lucassantosgoudinho1005]

No man. Don't fall for this! God and Jesus and Holy spirit are one! One God in three people.

[@gerryquinn5578]

@@lucassantosgoudinho1005 : Which of the 'creeds' support your position or which part of my statement do you disagree with.? Can you provide a credal statement that is pre-Pauline or indeed, any NT verse that says that One God exists in three people?

[@lucassantosgoudinho1005]

@@gerryquinn5578 in the book of Revelation, Jesus said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega...". Who can be the Alpha and the Omega if not God? John 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ If you have any doubts, ask yourself, why are you having doubts.

[@gerryquinn5578]

@@lucassantosgoudinho1005 : To which passage in revelation do you refer? The NT also calls Jesus the image of God. That explains John 14:9.

[@lucassantosgoudinho1005]

@@gerryquinn5578 Isaiah 9:6: "For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and the government will be upon his shoulders; and his name shall be: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." This is one of the messianic prophecies of Isaiah. Now... What do you think?

[@tonyr6365]

Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus died for our sins. Jesus was raised to Life by God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus forgive me for my sins.

[@jimfarnell5813]

Early, reliable evidence… No world religion has this…

[@bootsie280]

That’s why Christianity is so attacked by everyone , especially satan and his demon.

[@vhawk1951kl]

No other world religion has grafted onto it absurd and wildly implausible lies. That dolt Habermas has no idea what can and cannot amount to, or constitute evidence if anything and clearly lacks the wits and learning to grasp that anything purporting to be evince that cannot be tested cannot possibly amount to,o or constitute evidence, but then the poor buffoon is clearly labouring under some sort of handicap and is living proof that passive mechanical belief stupefies the reason and renders it inoperable. Only a complete imbecilewould could or might imagine that anything written in a book could possibly be evidence of the truth of its contents.That buffoon Habermas is clearly innocent of any sort of its and learning- his handicap being more than obvious.It is no so much that the poor creature does not understand, but rather that by reason of his handicap he simply *cannot* understand because he lacks the wits.Genetic or otherwise, who knows? but the poor creature is clearly not the full shilling. He plainly simply and being a simpleton, *cannot*understand that there can &never* be evince of the impossible and certainly not an impossible *event*, events tending to be fleeting and without trace-*screamingly_obviously* to all but halfwits and buffoons, into which latter category the poor Habermas creature obviously falls.

[@lilyw.719]

*The Apostles' Creed* I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, and in Jesus Christ his only son Our Lord, who was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilot, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again. He is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

yeah that creed should be changed kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXXVe2uVnpyan7c

[@lilyw.719]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 No. Did you know that Martin Luther admitted in his own words, in his writings, that he had nightly conversations with the Devil, who convinced him how terrible the Catholic Mass was? And who gave Luther the basis for many of his doctrines, which became the foundation of his Reformation? Yeah, that's right, Luther describes in his own words how the Devil didn't want him to celebrate the Catholic Mass and gave him many other ideas. Which are now your ideas. You want the proof? Google "Martin Luther Admitted to Conversations with the Devil". You'll find a blogspot that reproduces a scholarly article of several pages, which explains the whole sordid affair, using Luther's own words. Poor stupid Luther, tricked by the Devil, now enjoying his eternal reward in hell, along with all his followers. Maybe you'll decide to be smarter than Luther was. Probably not.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

@@lilyw.719 you listen to a lot of urban myths created by the very jesuits that are busy dragging you down to hell

[@lilyw.719]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 Did you read my comment? The article that I directed you to discusses *Luther's OWN WORDS, IN HIS OWN WRITINGS* which we have, in a book he wrote that survives. You can read it yourself. There is nothing to debate. The book is proof, in his own words. If you're even a little bit honest and want to verify it for yourself, read the several page scholarly article I directed you too, then go read Luther's book _de Missa Privata & Sarcedotom Unctione_ from 1533. It contains his descriptions of his many conversations with the Devil and shows exactly where his ideas came from. It's all right there. His own words convict him. After that book came out in 1533, people were horrified, and many of his followers left him and returned to the Catholic Church. But you won't read the original article I directed you to and find out for yourself, because you're too scared, you don't want to know the truth. You like living in your fantasy world.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

@@lilyw.719 fake

[@vhawk1951kl]

There is no such thing as an" historical fact" because the past cannot be experienced or known(directly immediately personally experienced - as directly immediately and personally as pain)

[@JamesRichardWiley]

What people believed and what they could prove are two different things. Jesus chose a time and place that had no means of accurately recording his teachings and miracles. He never wrote anything which is very disappointing- almost like he didn't care.

[@bootsie280]

You’re absolutely right, what people believe and what they can prove are two different things. I find that funny because people will believe in aliens first before they believe in the existence of God Almighty…there is no prove written, photographic or otherwise that suggest the existence of alien life on earth and other planets, however, people easily believe in those out space demons with any tangible proof except heavy mass indoctrination. The media, government and satan had brainwashed people to believe in the possibility without a shred of evidence hence it amazes me when you ask someone do you believe in God, they say no is a fairytale, yet you ask the same person do you believe in aliens and without hesitation they say yes, the government or media have proof or is more possible than God. We can’t blaspheme against God any longer!!

[@silversparrow6656]

Maybe I'm impatient, but I've listened to this guy before, and I do find that he seems to have a rambling, lingering way of reaching his points. If I attended one of his lectures I'd probably shout out, "get to the point" when he starts rambling.

[@athonyhiggins3117]

Listen harder that will help you

[@junevandermark952]

The story of Jesus being a savior of humanity, was just the latest savior myth, in a long line of savior myth stories. Other than a want-to-be leader of a new cult, why would any man say that a god sent him to earth to specifically cleanse all humanity of sin?

[@2mbili449]

Scriptures and history is testament to him as being, true him being God and all that he said,but we as humans are of stubborn hearts and mind,we have to get burnt to kno how hot it really is .

[@junevandermark952]

@@2mbili449 My guess is, you believe that all religious stories are false, but yours ... am I right? Those myths were and are, all self-serving nonsense. If we were taught that all souls would go to heaven ... there wouldn't be any need for churches, mosques, or synagogues, as there wouldn't be any need to compete. Do you "get it" now?

[@2mbili449]

We all go for that which comforts one best am from a very spiritual oriented bckgrnd I may not follow my forebearers beliefs,I find the spiritual wisdom in scriptures very comforting as for zeus and Jupiter ,Ra ,Krishna and all guess will find out in the fullness of time .

[@junevandermark952]

@@2mbili449 Do you believe that all souls will go to a good place in the supposed afterlife? Yes ... or ... No? This will tell you a lot about your own character.

[@junevandermark952]

@@2mbili449 If devotees used the word "thoughts" rather than the word "souls" ... I suggest it would seem ridiculous, when human animals die, to say "His or her thoughts will either go flying off to heaven ... or to hell ... or to reincarnate." Without the word "soul," there couldn't be any religion. All stories are based on what the soul is thinking, and what the soul is doing, and where the soul came from, and where the soul is going after death of the physical body. Fortunes have been made by theologians who taught that the soul is a gift from God, and that women must never have abortions, because abortions offend God's gift to humanity. Evolution of the soul is a huge seller in religion. It means that your soul is ever upgrading and will hopefully soon make the grade of God's "entire" approval of enlightenment and salvation … or … that in the afterlife something horrible could happen to your soul. If you remove the word "soul" from religion, you will not have anything but ground zero.

[@tarp-grommet]

Trying to give Iron Age mythology the stamp of academic rigor is futile. You have to spin, make stuff up, and pretend all kinds of people agree with you who don't. And just because I don't know how the universe came into existence doesn't mean I have to believe in any gods.

[@Hermes1548]

"There are many, good, historical arguments in favour of the historicity of the Gospel message." (!!). And then ignores the whole bunch of epistles which know nothing about that Mark's invention of Jesus of Nazareth.

[@jonathanchatterjee6044]

Hey, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you think that those people who wrote the epistles (Paul etc.) didn't believe in Jesus? Or they didn't know the details of his life? Or what?

[@Hermes1548]

@@jonathanchatterjee6044 the first Christians believed in the celestial Jesus the Christ. the later Christians believed what the author known later as «Mark» had created: the Christ had been on earth. this new idea, this new meme, was believed over the celestial, original, esoteric one. Cf. Earl Doherty, Jesus: Neither God nor Man, 2009.

[@thiccmcchicken550]

@@Hermes1548 ok

[@lilyw.719]

@@Hermes1548 The "mythicists" are a fringe minority. And dude, it's like you didn't even listen to the lecture. Paul converted only a few years after the crucifixion and then hooked up with the apostles Peter and James, who actually knew Jesus. Mark is way later.

[@Hermes1548]

@@lilyw.719 Peter and James knew Jesus the Christ (the celestial son). Try, if you can, to read the epistles and understand how can they not comment on Jesus of Nazareth (who appeared for the first time in Mark, a later writer, as you concede) and his miracles, mother, father, place of birth, death, the jews who killed him, the Romans responsible for the crucifixion. You have to read the minority theory. All new truths begin as minority (including Christianity in its day). If you value other minds as well as yours, you may come to the surprising, unbelievable fact that your theory may be wrong.

[@Ben_Howard]

What a load of nonsense

[@whatistruth560]

Why do u mean that?

[@noahguillen2201]

What?

[@athonyhiggins3117]

Sir every knee shall bow and confess that jesus is you two will now

[@seenogodspeaknogodhearnogo4531]

@@athonyhiggins3117 I am sorry but the only fact is that Jesus is dead; he hasn't shown up for a photo op or a conference in over 2,000 years. For an all powerful god he could at least send us an E-mail or is he also computer illiterate?

[@athonyhiggins3117]

@@seenogodspeaknogodhearnogo4531 this is no answer prove to me personally that there is god many thanks