The EDEN Grow System - How to grow food underground!

[@richardkennedy815]

The optimal temperature for growing tilapia is 75 to 85 degrees F. Considering then the constantly moving water or aerosolizing of water, such as in the "Eden" type system. It seems the inherent risk may be having the walls of your shelter "sweat" due to water condensation. If that occurs your next problem will be algae growth on the walls of your grow rooms. Understand, I bring these things up not to be difficult, but rather as someone who has grown traditional farming [fields], high tunnels, and greenhouse for many years. I understand there are always pitfalls. In addition, I would point out that I absolutely love the idea of your shelters so addressing these problems is important. A separate but equally important issue...at least for me here, as I would personally only consider an aquaponics system, such a system should likely be run continuously. Consider... if there is a crisis that "required" you to use your shelter, tilapia spawn will not just show up on your doorstep that morning waiting for you to take them down in the shelter with you. Additionally, at the point you put tilapia into a system your chemistries do not automatically support growing plants. There is chemistry working here! It is a process, an evolving cascade of chemical changes to get to a point your fish support those plants. Once reached it can be maintained continuously. Possibly the answer may lie in an above ground system that at a given time the supports a below ground [shelter] system. Prepping for me is a lifestyle. It has been for a lifetime, which for me is the better part of a century. Again, I am honestly seeking answers to these problems in order to realistically use these systems in a "shelter" such as yours...which clearly are outstanding. : )

[@ventedthesenuts]

I imagine the Swiss system would help with moisture in the grow room or even a new beefed up system specifically for the room housing the planters as for the tilapia situation I think ur right you would probably have a normal fish farm on the surface and when shit hit bring them down along with acclimated plants or have food already growing in the shelter year round before anything happens so you can have ur system up and running before an emergency that way no wait time nore risk that the sudden chemical imbalance would kill them off my main issue would be food waste what would you do with dead tilapia or left over bones and rotting plant matter would probably be wise to add a wood burning stove or a incinerator of some kind Into the shelter

[@Ana-kg5qv]

Could use this as storage under a bigger bunker as well. Keep up the good work, I will purchase a bunker from Atlas Shelters one day, only 20 now. I hope Ron is still around to help me with my purchase, a true Legend.

[@panpiper]

LOVE that $20k concrete shelter! Fantastic product! Well done! 😁

[@konserv]

It would be cool to make it modular to be able to combine 2,3 or more of them together.

[@dilbotmacguillacutty4849]

The Real Martian!! Full 13 mins before I recognized you. Congrats!

[@71stMastiff]

Hey Ron, are you gonna start getting into researching a aeroponics system placements inside of your bunkers? You should start a building area for survival research in your bunkers.

[@christianwestling2019]

Really cool. I'd imagine it helps to make the air nicer aswell.

[@whitey2579]

God bless you ron

[@The9Pauls]

This systems work really well

[@edengrowsystems]

Thanks for your support!

[@wascalywabbit]

As someone whose done indoor gardening,aquaponics is awesome,and after it's established,care is minimal,but I used a cheap swimming pool, and plastic kiddie pools, I used the next price point lower than Mars..(galaxy hydro) they're great lights.. But I'm sure the cost of this system is probably triple what I built my own for. The 20k bunker is awesome..

[@thatcanadianguy3327]

2x4s tough totes net pots a pump and lights like 400 bucks ur good to go i reckon this system costs multiple thousands

[@frankjoyce76]

Thanks for this update on the 20k shelter. I have been eagerly waiting for info on this since your ww2 video and was thinking you canceled the idea. So excited about this

[@vaughn6371]

Great ?'s Ron! Excellent editing! So glad to see you still truckin' 🙏

[@AtlasSurvivalShelters]

Thanks 😊

[@darrylpaul7017]

Brother for the non green thumb folks this is Good Stuff, if you have some good Texas bovine protean in your Freezer you clip those delicious salad greens and thrive

[@foxmulder7616]

You should sell the blowup concrete tents too. Much more portable and about the same size as those ones in the beginning.

[@theahalme]

Love it! We'll see what Santa baby says🎅🏗️

[@MXarcx]

Would be interesting to know how this effects the climate in the shelter, how much that water is contained within the systems itself with these plugs. Since having to run some dehumidifiers next to it to keep the shelter dry would be quiet a power intensive operation.

[@STB-jh7od]

Regarding the concrete shelters- if they had ability to connect to each other, they'd be expandable, and people could buy multiple for larger space.

[@nespar1541]

It would be nice to have a reality show for people living bunkers.

[@AtlasSurvivalShelters]

Yes it would

[@MyTube4Utoo]

Cool. I've got an 8-bucket DWC hydroponics system setup, and also grow in several AeroGardens, and AeroGarden clones, but that system looks great. 👍

[@RobBarker225th]

Aquaphonics is better you can grow veggies herbs and produce fish

[@MyTube4Utoo]

@@RobBarker225th Not so good for indoor growing, however.

[@RobBarker225th]

@@MyTube4Utoo My School had a in door one I learned it through a Cornell University program they has fresh water trout and bass

[@MyTube4Utoo]

@@RobBarker225th I'm guessing that wasn't in someone's bedroom or basement?

[@RobBarker225th]

@@MyTube4Utoo it was a class room

[@jzabo1661]

Perfect for middle class prepper

[@pyeitme508]

🤔

[@sithlordlira]

Awesome video, need to get a few of this systems

[@farright118]

I think this kind of farming is really smart not just for now but the apocalypse

[@panpiper]

Where are you going to get "Nutrient Solution" after the apocalypse?

[@killerdeamonking]

@@panpiper Composting works the same. Has everyhting plants need . if you cant do that then get a indoor fish pond then grow their food and the alge the water makes with fish can do it too. There are natural ways to make and get nutrients .

[@farright118]

@@panpiper stockpile it

[@farright118]

@@panpiper ohhhhh compost all the people you kill hahaha

[@panpiper]

@@killerdeamonking Well, now you are NOT talking about this self contained small scale areoponic system that you can install inside a shelter. You are talking about homestead farming if maybe in a greenhouse.

[@ALink2Zelda]

Yolo good morning everyone

[@vaughn6371]

Greetings! Take this 👍it's dangerous to go alone.

[@jonathandeciutiis845]

That's so awesome I would love to grow my own food

[@TheRedneckprepper]

Thats the marshion guy lived next to wrangler star

[@rohantherockwiththerocketh7871]

Cool video for a follow up with this. Have a ripper mate!

[@ShanePresleyC]

seems like the shelf life of the seeds, medium and nutrient solution would be relevant to the applicability in a survival scenario. not to mention the moisture content added to the air in your shelter. I suppose if you can manage the humidity then it would be something to do with your shelter while it's idle

[@ventedthesenuts]

Seed shelf life when stored correctly can be decades to even a hundred years they also germinate meaning you could probably find a way to produce seeds from ones already grown

[@kevinbryer2425]

I hate to be the wet blanket here, but the power consumption on these is going to be problematic enough under ideal circumstances, say nothing about circumstances where you need to be in a bunker, with the three layer unit demanding over 800w an hour! How many people are you going to have on hamster wheels?

[@gonefishing3644]

I used to raise orchid plants indoors in the 1990s using grow racks and full spectrum fluorescent bulbs and have also done outdoor, in-the-ground vegetable and fruit gardening. I have some concerns about the feasibility of growing food plants in an underground bunker. Some of the common food plants, such as tomatoes, peppers and strawberries, have to be pollinated to set fruit. Many of the temperate zone food plants are not self-pollinating. You will not have bees and other insect pollinators inside a bunker. Be sure to have an artist's tiny paint brush to do pollination by hand if you are not sticking to growing salad greens and culinary herbs. And there is a narrow range of time when a blossom can be pollinated so expect to do this hand-pollination daily as more tiny blossoms are produced. And you may need a way to heat the soil because some seeds will not germinate in the 55-65 " F. temperature range of an underground bunker. You may also need spare light bulbs, because every kind of full-spectrum lighting I have used will lose some of that spectrum over time well before the bulbs burn out. Lack of full-spectrum light usually means spindly, yellowing plants, poor production of flowers, poor fruit setting and poor crop yields. I suspect some people will see this system as a way to grow marijuana underground during the apocalypse. Rather than growing full-size food plants or illicit substances, it would be much easier and quicker to use these Eden grow systems for sprouting wheat grain, mung beans and an assortment of micro green seeds in order to have a steady supply of vitamin-rich sprouts and baby salad greens. But you would need a large supply of seeds for sprouting of you want to keep a small household supplied with fresh greens.

[@Shane_O.5158]

Ron, learn : succession planting and i'm shure you will do battery back-up.

[@DarkShadowBliss6]

I like it, I just would of loved it to be white, white makes everything look more modern and futuristic

[@jameseet]

get solar and or backup genarators for your system , assume you will lose power a water have a backup water supply. if you set this up on this premis it can go a long way to show your customers what can be done is the need arises especially if they dont have a lot of money.

[@lmAIone]

This is great buddy

[@duckman12569]

Good on you for keeping something affordable up.. Even assuming I had that much I'm not far enough away from the mass of humans to keep it quiet. What a shame, guess I'll have to run.

[@kylecorrow702]

"He said which would you get to grow herb" hahaha was thinking the same thing bud 😉 🤔

[@hopd217]

How about prices on the Eden website? If I have to call for a quote then it’s mighty expensive,

[@Cetok01]

It looks like a great system. I'm curious though; does the misting, combined with exhaled occupant moisture, increase the likelihood of mold growth in the shelter?

[@edengrowsystems]

Thanks for your question! Most of the mist is contained within the root chamber by design, to recover and recycle the maximum amount of water possible. So, the system only contributes the amount of humidity released by the plants due to transpiration and a small amount through the grow pod collar around the plant stem.

[@ventedthesenuts]

I would also imagine this would be used in a room with the swiss air filtration system to dispell any possible stray moisture

[@Cetok01]

@@ventedthesenuts The air filter cleans incoming air; I'm not sure what it would do for interior humidity. Perhaps it levels out with the overpressure valve.

[@joevallejo5143]

I’d like to see the one with fish.

[@USNDeepsea1991]

Should have called it the G.E.C.K.

[@glenbolton7333]

Tomatoes, Tomatoes, tomatoes 😋.

[@kaiyack]

Those small drain tubings will clog eventually with roots or debris

[@AtlasSurvivalShelters]

Buy one and try it out

[@kaiyack]

@@AtlasSurvivalShelters I have designed, built and sold commercial aquaponic and hydroponic systems for 15 years. Nothing is new on this system. These guys just repackage into a slick turn key for people who have never grown plants. All the pictures on their site show lanky lettuce and tiny strawberries. 540w of lighting for 2 levels is barely enough PPFD to grow bib lettuce, let alone fruiting crops. How much generator and fuel are we going to devote to growing vegetative crops and fish? Don’t forget to heat that water for the shrimp or tilapia. You’re generator goes down for more than a day this system will die. Tiny tubing like that will clog over time and require disassembly and cleaning. The filter and sprayers will need cleaning every few crops. Same with the pump. How many systems we maintaining? Backup parts? Pumps under pressure will fail, just a matter of time. Aeroponics-nothing new. Are all components food safe? BPA free? UV stabilized? LED lights put out UV, at least the good ones that grow crops well. What fertilizers are we using? Organic? Clogging goes up exponentially. Mineral salts? Better get one without heavy metals. No automatic pH adjustment means you’re monitoring that setup everyday times how ever many systems. Feed the fish times how ever many systems. Labor starts to pile up. I guess we’ll have lots of time on our hands if we’re locked in. Might be good for a short term bug out. But at what point does floor space and generator capacity become a premium? If you got the money just build out a farm level with resilient, well-designed and layered systems.

[@akrasismetrono2333]

What kind of lifespan is expected from this? I'm sure the structure will last forever but what about the LEDs and automation system?

[@edengrowsystems]

Thank you for your interest! The Eden Grow Tower LEDs and system have a lifespan of over 10 years.

[@NinjaEnShort]

I'm wondering how effective they could be as "CO2 scrubbers" if there was a failure on the air supply system ?

[@MarkMarvin1983]

That’s a great growing system!! ❤ Also the new bunker is still a little high in price. At least for me because I’m on disability. 😢

[@panpiper]

There's only so much Ron can do. He has to make these things profitably or his company will not long survive. Just the reality that. Getting a prefab bunker 'with' air filtration down to $20k is frankly a remarkable achievement itself.

[@edengrowsystems]

Thank you so much! We appreciate your support. 😊

[@MarkMarvin1983]

@@edengrowsystems no problem! I use DWC (Deep Water Culture) for my setup. I have yet to use Tilapia or other fish though. I also use a High Pressure Sodium light. I would like to use an led setup in the future because they don’t require so much energy.

[@jasonbourne1596]

​@@MarkMarvin1983 For a bunker I would definitely use 12 volt led lights.

[@jamiecoyne1494]

Do bees stay in the bunker or do you cross pollinate by hand?

[@joshanderson4528]

Do you have a update video on the grow system

[@jamiecoyne1494]

Where does the plant get its nutrients it’s missing from soil?

[@tboat4015]

So.... where was your generator for power outages?

[@kenwalker9780]

Awesome new bomb shelter. Im not able to use a ladder. Can you build one with steps on the end? Steps could be metal or fiberglass and just bolted into an imbedded flange with a peel and stick bitumastic tape. Just would be easier for some of us to access. Great idea for a tornado shelter.

[@panpiper]

Given the way they are constructed, I doubt stairs would be possible.

[@kenwalker9780]

@@panpiper i could design a flanged bulkhead on one end. The stairs could be welded and built just like the stairs to the normal bunkers. It could be c a duplicate. Then after placing the concrete shelter in the ground, lower the stairs into the hole and bolt it up. There are numerous gaskets used for direct burial of potable water systems. A similar gasket cut to the size of the flange leading into the concrete shelter. An engineer should complete the design but it is definitely do-able.

[@panpiper]

@@kenwalker9780 Well, I hope I am wrong.

[@stanrogers7534]

Black thumb I laughed so hard I cried never heard that saying…..

[@chuck26241]

I'm wondering how the Eden will do in the bunker underground or do you provide a heat system with your bunkers.

[@chuck26241]

Congrats scammer you have made it to my block list 👍

[@panpiper]

A bunker will maintain ambient ground heat without a heating system. Depending on where you live that will likely be somewhere between 50-60 degrees farenheight. Plants will survive but they will grow slower. That said the lights will provide a bit of heat and it wouldn't take much extra power to heat a room in your shelter 10-20 degrees above ambient.

[@chuck26241]

@@panpiper yes that's exactly what I was thinking. With the exception LED's don't give off heat or at least the ones I purchased don't and it stated that on the package as well.

[@panpiper]

@@chuck26241 LEDs 'do' give off heat, but not very much, because they are very efficient at turning electricity into light rather than heat. However all the power that is converted to light gets converted to heat when the light hits the stuff it illuminates. All that light ultimately does become ambient heat, in exact measure to the amount of electricity used. Admitedly for LED lights that is a low amount of power, but it is not nothing and it does heat a little bit.

[@darcy6507]

Do you do any kind of veterans discounts?

[@MrVillabolo]

How much space do you need to store the growing solution for one year?

[@panpiper]

And does it even have a shelf life of one year?

[@blainecomeaux8549]

We use a dry nutrient product that lasts a long time. About 1 square foot of floor space.

[@gregnulik1975]

There's a KZbin video discussing how animal protein is 2x as good per pound as vegetable protein, so you still might want to include animal protein of some sort, where possible.

[@stickman8459]

They had shrimp?

[@edengrowsystems]

Thanks for your comment! Our Grow Towers with 60-gallon reservoirs allow you to raise fish or shrimp in an aquaponics mode - using their waste to fertilize your produce.

[@CaptainHDY]

Looking at that system the Eden thing they want 3k to start one of those systems. A bit pricey

[@CalebGrahnert]

how long will the lights last?

[@edengrowsystems]

Hi! The Eden Grow Tower LEDs and system have a lifespan of over 10 years.

[@rodneymiddleton1044]

Amazing stuff Ron and honestly if I ever win some lottery either down here in Oz or one of those big ones overseas as legaly can be done downunder and No Tax as we don't have Tax on lotteries downunder for our citizens unlike elsewhere lol, You will be getting my business in no uncertain terms lol. Sure it maybe just a pipe dream so far but never under estimate the power of positivity on my side lol.

[@panpiper]

A $20k shelter is affordable to just about anyone in the developed world, if they want it enough. Might take a few years of hard work and saving, but it is doable.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

How does one get one of these concrete shelters in Canadas Nova Scotia?

[@disposabull]

With expensive delivery. Honestly if you go watch the colin furze videos on his bunker build it's not difficult to diy or get a concrete guy to do. Dig hole. Put some gravel in for a level base. Pour a concrete base. Put some formwork on the base. Reinforcement & concrete pour for the walls and roof. Install a door & air filter from Switzerland. Fill in the hole. Done. There isn't any super secret complex science involved, any contractor that can build a concrete basement can do you a bunker.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@@disposabull ohh I'm a big ole fan of furze, and I have an idea but not the time

[@gageturner3274]

What are the cost of these eden systems

[@pyeitme508]

Wow

[@robertevans8024]

Synthetic fertilizer like miracle grow react with aluminum damaging the aluminum over a short amount of time.

[@panpiper]

I don't think you would be using synthetic fertilizer with this. It is built to use "Nutrient Solution", whatever that is.

[@jasonbourne1596]

I went to thrir page, is it really that hard to just list the prices? It's a grow tower, judt tell us hoe much they are, not wait for a quote and waste everyone's time including theirs.

[@stephan2357]

😳9:22 FINALLY! 👏the 'CANCER cure' claim i have been yearning for! 🙄🤦‍♂

[@stephan2357]

Gwyneth Paltrow stares with envy 🤣

[@absurd207]

whats the price one these?

[@kevins6277]

over 3k USD per system

[@panpiper]

"Nutrient Solution". There's the rub. What is the shelf life of "Nutrient Solution"? If you can't store that solution, this is nothing practical for a shelter other than having a few fresh vegetables to compliment your stores for a few months, and then it's done. Might be nice mind you to have a green spot in your shelter that also gives you some vitamin D from the light.

[@blainecomeaux8549]

We prefer a dry nutrient product because it uses less packaging, is lighter for shipping costs, and has significantly longer shelf life. We drain the old solution in the reservoir after several months and start fresh.

[@edengrowsystems]

Thank you for your interest! We have several recommendations for nutrient solution to help ensure your complete success with our Grow Tower. Shelf life will vary but it is important to select a water-soluble product that contains a complete blend of nutrients. 😊

[@rhama8751]

MASSIVE power consumption for these things. something so far thats not been mentioned.

[@edengrowsystems]

Thanks for your comment! Our single deck Grow Tower consumes about 2.5 KWhr/day. For comparison, a large side-by-side refrigerator consumes about 1.7-2.0 KWhr/day depending on the efficiency rating.

[@gulfwarvet103]

👍👍

[@Ana-kg5qv]

This product is very interesting and seems like it would function well, but if you are serious about Aeroponic and Hydroponic farming, you should learn yourself. You should build your own system, which is not hard to do if you have the money. Imagine sitting in your bunker and your X part of your system breaks and you don't know what's wrong. Now you will starve, where if know the system because you built it, you will be able to identify the pump broke or whatever. Also, these systems are high maintenance and its not uncommon for a pump to break or mineral build up in tubing and pumps needing to be cleaned. Every 6 months in my experience, using artificial fertilizers etc to grow cannabis. It also depends on what setup you have, the best in my experience is deep water culture with a water circulation system.

[@panpiper]

You absolutely should not be 'relying' on systems like this for actual real sustenance calories. This is so you can supplement your diet of stored rice and beans with stuff you grow to both make it more palatable and give you a source of vitamins and micronutrients.

[@Ana-kg5qv]

@@panpiper I agree, but the thought that made me post the message is that you could make a much bigger and efficient system for cheaper. And you would greatly benefit from learning all the information you gather while learning what is needed etc, to make self maintenance and such better. But you’re definitely right as well, just a thought I had.

[@fastmankim1]

When the EMP comes then what??

[@panpiper]

Atlas shelters are largely EMP proof internally due to their solid steel construction. Ron offers additional EMP options for external fittings.

[@dinogutierrez4182]

Why didn't you do any heirloom plants, the real way to have seeds forever

[@AtlasSurvivalShelters]

It's my first time. Patience

[@billybongthornton4285]

You don't have a green thumb stick to shelters 😂

[@AtlasSurvivalShelters]

Lol ok. I agree 🤣

[@paulorogeriopires1143]

😀😃😄😁😆🙂😉

[@Rocky1765]

$20,000 installed?

[@AtlasSurvivalShelters]

Plus delivered and install in Texas is around $3000

[@chimo1961]

underground grow shows

[@destinywilliams801]

Way too many electronics to break and starve you, simplify it.

[@kevins6277]

over 3k USD per system? per quote. no thanks

[@HanTheProphet]

how you gonna lose power for 3 days but be selling survival shelters lmao

[@YouTube_can_ESAD]

Nice Coffins! 😂😂😂

[@cindylou1112]

Not that easy. Hydroponics aren’t easy to learn

[@bsw051]

Isnt this aeroponics tho?

[@kellyrumpf3199]

Yeah, I would have to agree with you. The kicker is you can not survive on greens very long. You would eventually become sick and possibly end up with norovirus or some weird bacterial disease living with this long term in a small space. At the end of the day if you can’t get live stock for food and supplement with veggies, we are looking at a lost cause really. Living underground isn’t ideal either. Science has yet to truly discover the affects of living underground for long periods of time. But maybe this will kick start people trying to do a year long stent or more before it is nescesary to use full time.

[@trashpanda5947]

It's about as easy as anything else that you don't know. You need to keep check of the nutrients and avoid bacterial and algae growth. After that it's just about building a routine and checking in on the plants.

[@cindylou1112]

@@bsw051 it’s almost the same thing. Both have reservoirs that hold water. Hard to clean and maintain

[@Ana-kg5qv]

@@trashpanda5947 I agree, I learned hydroponic canabis farming and aeroponic cloning in about 3 months, the basics too me a few hours. I'd say I have a very advanced understanding of hydroponic systems and I only used KZbin and personal experience to learn, nobody helped me.