THE ELEFANT EXPERIENCE IN WAR THUNDER

[@OddBawZ]

DOES ANYONE ELSE MISS SEEING FERDINANDS AND HAVE FUN FIGHTING THEM AT 6.3? WHAT BR DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE?

[@liladoodle]

5.7 or 6.0, it just seems fair.

[@HarveyWatts06]

that moment when you pen that Ferdinand at the end of the test drive and you realise your a big boi now

[@lionitheo9793]

I didn't research the stug line when I was in Germany instead opting for the open top TD's but I'd say the Ferdinand should be at 6.3 it's not good enough to be any higher nevermind the repair cost

[@Zero69767]

it's not good at 6.7... 6.3 is fair

[@thepulle4722]

It really should’ve stayed at 6.3, it’s objectively worse to the Tiger 2 H in every way that matters and that’s a well balanced vehicle at 6.7

[@MarshmaloWarrior]

IMO as long as tanks designed for ww2 have to fight vehicles designed for the cold war, there will never be balance in rank 3, 4, and 5. The design philosophy is just so radicaly different, and the technology so much better, that the cold war tanks will always have the advantage all the time.

[@XSpamDragonX]

gaijin pretends as if every vehicle having 50% winrate among all players would be perfect balance they dont give a single flip what the actual experience of playing any vehicle is like As long as Leopard 1 players continue dying to super pershings, and wheely italians keep yoloing out in front of WW2 heavy tanks, gaijin will keep pretending that those vehicles are actually bad against conventional tanks they made obsolete in real life.

[@oktavianleitz8449]

@@XSpamDragonX the win rate should really less matter. The K/D is far more important especially when it comes to a comfartable player experience.

[@tazukisky]

I see your point, but the problem is, if you cut the ranks into different eras, it's gonna be hard to find a match

[@John.McMillan]

@@tazukisky They made every single match mixed to make queue times near non existant and there was such severe community backlash that they rolled it back. Clearly the community doesnt mind wait times when it improves gameplay.

[@canned__meat]

USA at 7.3 is a PERFECT example of that. T32, T46 and T47.... That's struggle street all day 😂😂 even at a level BR playing field. During an up BR match though... Sadness.

[@13deadghosts]

I still think Gajin should split the Techtree/Matchmaker into WW2 and Post-WW2, as the tech difference is just to great. Spitfires and 262s vs. Radar AA, Pershings and King Tigers vs. ATGMs, Ki-200/ 262C's vs near supersonics and Air to Air Missiles, .... that is just stupid.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

And then you would have to wait for an hour to join a match. Trust me, with such a small active playerbase, decompressing the BR or even doing what you propose, is an impossibility.

[@AlixTheRed]

@@xXturbo86Xx Vs people getting to that ranking and getting fed up by dying instantly to something that have no hope of fighting at all and just quitting the game all together. Thats gonna kill even more of the player base. Also a change such as that could bring in more players just wanting to play specific era tanks or other such.

[@XSpamDragonX]

@@xXturbo86Xx have you or gaijin ever considered that there wouldnt be thousands of *former* war thunder players if the br compression wasnt such massive cancer?

[@Kelthoras1]

But think about the shareholders!

[@cqpp]

Don't forget the Me-163b0 which is at 8.7 and faces 9.7 supersonics like the Mig-21 and A-10a with guided missiles.

[@Sturmgechu]

I like how historically accurate the Elefant is. You caught on fire a lot

[@KylieManur3]

Way back in the day, the Ferdi was my favourite tank in the game. Then HEAT-FS and IFVs were introduced and it became useless. I miss playing it.

[@Xeonzs]

Exactly, it was so much fun before the cold war era stuff

[@samadams2203]

Regardless of how balanced it is at its BR, there's something incredibly demoralizing and simply unexciting about playing a casemated mid-WWII TD amongst pretty much entirely early/early mid cold war vehicles. Seems wrong.

[@louisbarnett8854]

4:09- Ah yes an elephant near its watering hole. Tigers all around, about to get ambushed.

[@CobraDBlade]

Players: Hey Gaijin, why don't you add the Elefant to the Italian main tech tree? The Italians historically used it and it would help flesh out the tech tree a bit. Gaijin: We could do that. Or... we could put it behind a pay-to-grind wall, stick it in the German tree, and completely f*ck up the armor modeling for like the first 3 months of it being in game. Players: .... Gaijin: Yeah that's what we're gonna do.

[@SVPER43]

The only Italian unit with german AFVs in active service was the _Gruppo Carri "M" "Leonessa"_ of the _1ª Divisione Corazzata CC.NN. "M"_ with: - 12 Pz. III Ausf. N; - 12 Pz. IV Ausf. G; - 12 StuG. III Ausf. G. So unless I am missing something, Italians never had Elefants in service and as such it would have made no sense at all adding it to the Italian tech tree. On the other hand, it's sad to see a vehicle that was supposed to come in the german tech tree 9 or so years ago being finally introduced behind that stupid excuse of a grind wall they call "Battle Pass". But hey, that's why I stopped playing WT a couple years ago. Best decision I have ever made!

[@awacsrazgriz967]

The italians never used or had elefants, the wehrmacht used them in italy in anzio/nettuno. it wouldnt make fun fucking sense putting a GERMAN made tank that was entirely used by GERMANY in a tech tree other than the german tech tree. still its retarded from gaijoob that they put it behind a grindy pay wall instead of just putting it in the tech tree like it was supposed to like 8 or 9 years ago

[@SVPER43]

@Hanrry Oliveira _Captured in Italy_ and _in active Italian service_ are two completely different things. The german _1st Company_ of the german _653rd Battalion_ was sent to Italy with 11 Elefants, operating there attached to the german _508th Heavy Tank Battalion_ . By the end of their deployment in Italy, only 3 or 4 Elefants remained, the rest being lost by either enemy fire or mechanical problems. *Actual Italian units* , as far as I know, never had Elefants in active service, let alone Panthers or Tigers. They never received them or captured and reused them.

[@stc3145]

Its the same experience in the King Tiger. It suffers so badly against 400mm Heat fin stabilized

[@blowbert9126]

Problem is when it gets to fight tanks that are 1.0 BR lower it stomps without any issues. Stuff like shermans cant do anything against a tiger 2 on open maps

[@louiewood7689]

@@blowbert9126 then nerf other aspects of the tank. Make it break down constantly oooor highlight the exact position of all heavys to any aircraft/tanks

[@blowbert9126]

@@louiewood7689 gajin just needs to decompress BRs, wont do it for some reason. Take 6.3 for an example. The tanks an m26 or a t25 face at 7.3 are better at everything by a massive margin, but 5.3 can easily fight 6.3. Gajin is just stupid

[@arend463]

@@louiewood7689 that’s the worst idea for “balancing” I’ve ever heard in my entire life

[@CallsignArchangel]

@@blowbert9126 not true. long range mean the shell is arcing down and can slap top of turret or the top of hull. or use the Sherman tactic and be mobile. use your strengths, don't focus solely on weaknesses.

[@jamaham2672]

Gotta love how one of the reasons gaijin doesn't wanna decompress the brs is because it would cause longer que times then gives us giant maps where it takes 5 minutes of driving just to get into battle. 🙃

[@DustyJumpWing]

Don't worry! a light tank is gonna be next to your spawn by the time you get in your 2nd vehicle so those games only require 5 minutes of driving total.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

There's a reason why the maps are "big". It's because you are always visible and you can always be shot at from kilometers away.Would you prefer the World of Tanks system?

[@blackwidowrsa]

Feeling this. 1.5KM in my stock KV85 just to get yeeted by a PZ4/70.

[@shoesbutsockless]

I rarely even have time to active a booster before I get put into a match, once I've queued for a match. Slightly longer que times are such a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

[@XSpamDragonX]

@@xXturbo86Xx the maps are huge yet you can still get shot in your spawn by somebody who drove onto the nearest hill from their spawn on half of them...

[@supersimon126]

As much as i like seeing good games and comebacks and so on i appreciate videos like this where it shows that everyone gets Gaijined sometimes and that not every game is 15 kills and victory

[@TNTNT20]

They need to have two separate BR groups. First one has ww2 Era tanks at 10.0 and second has cold war Era tanks at 1.0 all the way up to modern at 10.0. That would make the game so playable that people might actually enjoy it again lol.

[@emib6599]

Good idea but with 3 problems. - Some late ww2 tanks are invincible against inferiors ww2 - The waiting time for a game would increase. - also the planes should be balanced in the same way, so double work.

[@PhoenixOfArcadia]

So, I took a look at the Elefant and it doesn't seem like the driver got overpressured from the front, rather there's another weakspot where armor isn't valued right much like you showed with the gun mounting. If you shoot just above the lower front plate of the driver (or machine gunner's compartment) but below the vision port, you can cleanly go through with something as low of a BR as the US 75mm or the British 6pdr cannons. And much like the gun mounting it's something that only exists for the Elefant and not on the Ferdinand.

[@samuelchoiniere4004]

I think that when the enemy tanks were over pressuring your driver it was because of the MG port. The Ferdinand doesn't have a machine gun there which makes sense as to why it wouldn't happen with that tank but would happen with the Elefant. Sorry if somebody already commented this.

[@Nedula007]

I wish WW2 vehicles had their own game. It sucks taking out the Elephant out and an ATGM kills you. (Sometimes you can avoid the red death ball quite easily if it's head on... but still)

[@N4CR]

Same with Black Prince. Should be 5.7 everyone says this..

[@Deuce_and_a_half]

11:07 Odd says his crew gave him a threat indicator? Can anyone tell me what he means by that please? I don't see anything on screen. And I've never heard of threat indicators before. The closest thing I can imagine is those red arcs that appear when you get hit to show you the approximate direction from where you got shot. But I didn't see those, and he didn't get shot.

[@XSpamDragonX]

the game flashes a tiny red triangle on the edge of your screen when your crew notice an enemy vehicle just off the edge of your screen, its something they ripped off from first person shooter sims to simulate human peripheral vision. It's one of the many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many things the game should teach you in a tutorial, but Gaijin is too lazy to make any decent tutorials, because not enough people figured out how to play (and also had the patience to suffer through) the existing awful tutorial. They have ZERO self awareness or understanding of the idea that people would use/play something if it was good, and vice versa. They nerf vehicles that only good players use, and buff vehicles only dumb players use. Look at the way they changed the P-47s. They basically flipped the BRs because dumb players used the earlier versions in air RB and good players used the later versions in air RB, and gaijin thought the large difference in winrates was because they werent at the right BRs....

[@Deuce_and_a_half]

@@XSpamDragonX oh right, I see it now, I tried putting the video to x0.25 speed to catch it before. This time I tried putting the resolution up because my phone's a brick and I watch in 480p, it didn't help that the arrow was against the leaves of a tree. It's the same arrow as the ones you see in AirRB when an enemy plane you can see is off screen right?

[@OddBawZ]

Yes, exactly the same one.

[@Deuce_and_a_half]

@@OddBawZ oh wow hi Odd, cool thanks, so now I can look out for those in GroundRB too. And now I also know what crew detection means in the Crew Training panel. I thought it was weird for tanks, previously I thought it had something to do with the render distance where sometimes tanks WT thinks you can't see will just disappear.

[@reinbeers5322]

@@Deuce_and_a_half By the way, Keen Vision makes those arrows pop up more often. That's the only thing that skill does as far as I'm aware for Ground RB.

[@truter5243]

I've recently noticed enemies especially planes de-render when I change views. At first I thought I was just blind, but when you see muzzle flashes coming from nothing but thin air a mere ~400m from you then you know something is wrong

[@jwentzell]

The problem with gaijin is they remove the armour advantage tanks like the tiger had in real life by putting them against much more modern vehicles they never had to face in the name of balance. The remaining meta is rife with light tanks, spaa, and IFVs, which can still bounce shells due to volumetrics.

[@shoesbutsockless]

I think you mean they bounce shells due to nonsense sir.

[@jasonvorhees1795]

It is why I gave up on heavies. There is no point playing a worse vehicle than a light tank or IFV, just because it has armor and is in the same BR. It is why I would always take a Leo 1 over any heavy in that BR, because it has a great gun, great mobility. Oh wow, you have an IS-3? Let me introduce you to HEATFS with 400mms of Pen

[@tomdibernardo1699]

hate to break it to you but the tiger 1 was easily defeated by Sherman 75mm guns irl.

[@reinbeers5322]

@@jasonvorhees1795 APDS is better against IS-3s easier to hit.

[@RicardoSanchez-es5wl]

@@tomdibernardo1699 not easily, as the tigers usually eliminated several Sherman’s before they went down, but yes it did happen often enough.

[@geraldwildbahn4425]

The reason the driver kept getting taken out was the MG port creates a hole for the overpressure to get into the front compartment, killing the driver from most ufp shots. It's a disadvantage from the Ferdinand if anything..

[@ArcticWipeout]

I overpressured 3 Tiger 2 crew with a single shot with the IS-2s APHE yesterday. Shot his gun mantlet, non pen, still killed his gunner etc.

[@BunnyPoker1]

THIS TANK ABSOUTLEY SLAYS NOW AFTER ALL THE BR CHAGES, REMAKE THIS VIDEO

[@g09h]

You can not convince me that this doesn’t look like a budget Maus.

[@DistEdits]

Wordle

[@ForTheMonolith]

I always play on my Ferdinand when i play WT. it always performs amazing and i can hulldown even without a cover. i can lockdown a section with easy at times and solo. You just have to learn the turns and free aim. know how to use it. Its a beautiful piece of machinery

[@hasnicktir5310]

Well said

[@rodrigo62548]

6.7 tank facing ATGMs, seems fair to me (it's not fair at all), That's one of the ways Gaijin balance Ground vehicles "Your armour won't be of any help against enemy tanks" an/or "your tank will have missing features of some sort", like the IS-7, facing tanks with stabilizer and shells that laugh at your armour xD

[@Shopkeepar]

you know that 5.7 can actually face missiles cuz ratel 20 has milan atgm (same as the marder a1 in german tt) at 6.7 ?

[@rudolfthecat1176]

​@@Shopkeepar marder is 7.3, but there are three missile vehicles at 6.7, the Zachlam Tager, Ratel 20 and the crappy Japanese one. And only the Ratel 20 is useful out of those three.

[@Shopkeepar]

@@rudolfthecat1176 That is why i was referring to the Ratel 20, and yes i know marder is 7.3 and there is other missile tanks at 6.7

[@oliversearle3996]

I love the look of the elephant but when i took out the ferdinand i skipped i only got uptiers so I gave up, being penned by everything isn't fun in a thing this slow

[@Dae_tis]

My 6.7 Germany experience is just 7.7 with extra steps, and you have to play with Germans.

[@152mmapfsds]

the ferdinand would be fine at 6.7 if everything above it were at the BRs they deserve.

[@Smokey348]

true

[@BluevesPL]

Ferdie at 6.3 used to cost 17k stock, after the economy changes it was moved to 6.7 due to low repair cost which is around 6k

[@donaldhysa4836]

What? It cost me at least 11.000 SL for repair!

[@BluevesPL]

@@donaldhysa4836 Stock ferdie costs 6800

[@donaldhysa4836]

@@BluevesPL We aint talking about stock Ferdie good look using stock Ferdie without FPE

[@BluevesPL]

@@donaldhysa4836 ???

[@BluevesPL]

@@donaldhysa4836 I explained the reason why ferdie got uptiered to 6.7, it has nothing to do with your spaded ferdie

[@Sreven199]

I don't know how you suffered through this game for 12,000 hours. Mad props Odd

[@JC_WT]

Yep, that's 500 days worth of play time. A fair while, to put it mildly lol

[@Lankygit01]

lol i love how with bawz the commentary you get feels like a conversation between the whole tank crew at times like when he missed that shot and said what was that bawz.

[@kekorcringeguy4497]

Very good video odd! Keep the good work up

[@TheHaos1]

Love how ww2 tanks can face stuff from the 60s... they will never change this, will they? There will always be some mod on the forum who comes up and tries to justify why this is ok

[@ixxxxxxx]

sad aint it. heavily armored tanks are just slow and penetrated by everything now, armor is a disadvantage at 6.7 with cold war nonsense

[@DDDloki]

but hey, gotta remove a tank or two for ''historical accuracy''

[@tim9501]

Mate I'm loving the intro's lately, super fun! I don't know if you saw, but the ELC Bis was added to France at 6.0, and I reckon you'd love it

[@Sparksp4]

BR 6.3 or 6.7 basically doesnt exists. 9 out of 10 battles you are uptierd. And that jump from 6.3 to 7.3 or 6.7 to 7.7 is a fraking big one.

[@noobium5333]

yeah making my italian 6.3 lineup nigh unplayable, I can't use my favorite tank the m26a1 since its gun is useless at that BRn I'm forced to hit a passive campy spot in the Aubl or Fiat and scout. Shooting is a secondary weapon in case they notice me.

[@mazurusu]

Same for 5.3

[@DungEater007]

I will always remember the early days of ground forces in warthunder where me and another elephant spent an ENTIRE game just damaging and pinging each other at 50 feet accross a small canyon unable to kill the other 😂

[@Americanstruggle]

Your suffering at your job is why I watch, because I suffer as an electrician as well. Lol! Cheers to you for sticking it out.

[@SicknessWin]

Perfect timing!👌 Another fine evening with some top notch entertainment!

[@charlesjmouse]

Sometimes it's a shame Warthunder doesn't model the known issues with vehicles. The Ferdinand and worse Elephant were notorious for their transmissions breaking and catching fire...

[@1132spartan]

OddBawZ, at 11:26 you mention you received a "threat indicator" from your crew. I didn't see or hear any indicator. What are you referring too? I am curious.

[@Geniusinventor]

Man Ferdinand feels like the game is running on 0.5x speed with 400ping

[@thomaskositzki9424]

I got my own little theory on BR changes at Gaijin... Their data-based formula goes as follows: They have a big box with all vehicles names written on little folded pieces of paper. At the beginning of the month, the trainee takes a handful and divides them equally between up-BR-ing and down-BR-ing by 0.3. Then the papers are unfolded and the changes implemented. That way the Snails actions would make sense for a change. :P XD

[@Thisaburgertank03829]

I don't understand why gaijin wont separate these tanks by certain time periods. If there are tanks above 6.7, a.k.a. Cold war tanks, they shouldn't be facing ww2 era tanks because they have the technology to fight tanks better than ww2 tanks. Edit: Like if you agree with me.

[@hprgaming9249]

Its not fair too, imagine tiger 2 tank, tiger tank, jagtiger vs sherman and t 34. German absolutly win.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

Only part where I disagree is that SOME cold war tanks really do work fine in lower BR's like 6.0 to 6.7, a notable example would be the m41a1. It's a cold war design but it really isn't in any way shape or form overpowered in 6.0 (or 6.3 for the german variant) and there's a few other examples (such as a few french/swedish tanks) that are technically cold war but have about on par capabilities as a WW2 tank.

[@Thisaburgertank03829]

@@hprgaming9249 That's why close air support exist.

[@johnbrady7431]

I appreciate you talking smack about your enemies, and teamates. I haven't been playing long and it seems like the adage is true that..... your teammate can be just as bad as your enemies.

[@45CaliberCure]

Thanks for the videos! Work is eating my last nerve. This helps.

[@kasparkallin7229]

Well the 6.7 has always been just a handicapped 7.7 that occasionally can see 5.7s.

[@haroldreijersenvanbuuren1644]

This not world of tanks oddbaws, there is bullet vellocity. Love your vids, keep it up

[@jackass6257]

The only way to have balance and have era correct matchups is to take out the 3 vehicle spawn limit and overhaul the spawn point system. Make spgs and heavies cost way more, and make the power to cost ratio in orders of magnitude; so you could take out 3 t34s or 2 shermans for the same price as a king tiger, 4 Stuart's for a tiger, etc. Low tier needs to be viable in high tier.

[@jlouw8212]

The armour on this thing seems so buggy, definitely belongs at 6.3 compared to other German tanks at that rank

[@DrDrift-rl6cc]

as a wot player, that is some REALLY NICE LOOKING MUD at 6:26

[@RicardoSanchez-es5wl]

There’s some sketchy glitches in this game with the armor. I was in a Tiger 1 using the default round it comes with (APHE or APCBC whatever it is) vs a T-34-57 and was above the T-34 at a 20 degree elevation roughly, straight on to him. I shot his machine gunner’s port on the front of the hull and it not only didn’t penetrate, it didn’t even do any damage to the vehicle whatsoever

[@蔡林翰-v2m]

其實可以舉行一種坦克戰爭 一開始低的BR 隨時時間與戰鬥與佔領，BR會隨之上升 每次都進攻都會給與更好的點數重生為更加強大優秀的裝甲 直到遊戲時間到達，綜合整支隊伍的成績分出勝負，且給與優秀的表現額外的獎勵

[@smokejumper749]

An idea: - Separate WW2 and CW tanks - make vehicles of the same era\year fight each other - you will have problems with t34s having to fight tigers and for that I’d say adjust the spawn point costs heavily so one can spawn 3 or more t34s for one tiger

[@adamhebert5365]

Time machines gone wrong. Love the vids Odd

[@Copenhayden]

A leopard 1 in a match with an elefant…I refuse to come back to this game until the company starts taking things more seriously. BR decompression is needed more than ever, with small, agile, spammy tanks taking over the battlefield, one spawn/one death players, WWII tanks fighting, not just Vietnam and Korean War era tanks, but COLD WAR era tanks, a horribly broken economy- especially for F2P players, grossly overpriced premiums with insane power creep, recent BR changes, shit map design, horrendous volumetric based damage models, the list goes on and on. I love this game, at least, maybe, I did at one point- and still want to, but fuck, it’s so broken in so many areas. If they would focus on the core gameplay and balancing, rather than pumping out cash grabs every other month, they would build an empire that would last indefinitely. And the sad part is, they’re honestly not far off from hitting the mark in so many of these areas. A game that is so close to being amazing, but too many aspects need fixing and the company is blinded by greed.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

I would love to see the game split into a WW2 part and a Cold War part. Then just stop adding stuff to the WW2 part because what they basically do is ruining the meta by adding ever more OP vehicles that are basically made up. Just balance everything out properly and keep upmaintenance... and just reap the rewards, just like Starcraft 1 did. It was called the most balanced Multiplayer game for a reason and it was beloved by its community because of that.

[@ixxxxxxx]

"A leopard 1 in a match with an elefant" yeah thats my #1 gripe with this game by far. i miss old wt

[@lampreyjaws1736]

that 9:05 ricochet looked amazing

[@Frankenstein_177]

Bro the German voice actors😮‍💨

[@D_F_A]

The aiming problems you are experiencing are similar to what I have noticed. Even making a spot on the map doesn't go at the place you select. It might be a new way Gaijin fix player rankings during games.

[@larryking7]

I have the same feeling, in air RB I had a case of 4 AA missiles vanishing. The guy had no more flares. He was in a F5C. He won the match, I checked afterwards he was a new player. I definitely recognized this lately very strongly. Same in ground RB. I bounce shots that never should.

[@D_F_A]

It seemed like your armour value was reduced when playing against new players. This aiming thing has just increased the difficulty for high player rankings. You get destroyed by things that shouldn't and now you can't hit them. It is what it is and now I will press `W` more often.

[@canned__meat]

Bounced a shot last night. APFSDS from the German M48 boinking an IS3 side turret shot at less than 500m. All you can do is giggle and move on. I am sure it has happened in my favour more than once too.

[@lmccampbell]

they really need to fix the br and pit ww2 tanks against other ww2 tanks as opposed to ww2 tanks vs Vietnam era tank.

[@terrified057t4]

I don't care how many fucking "if __ was historical" videos Spookston puts out, I still would rather be facing historical situations with the 6.7 stuff than the continuous early cold war and the odd downtier/proper tier....

[@u_nuub339]

*Laughs in laser ranged heatfs at 7.0* ikv-91

[@AceDupuy]

It seems the armor wasn't modeled very well and there's a lot of armor holes

[@ManueL-sd9jl]

By the way why would gaijin allow the maus to be researched every year and keeps in the game as a playable vehicle and the e-100 but doesnt add the lowe. I think its going to be a great addition after the panther g to be able to research the lowe

[@thecrab2791]

the Lowe was never built. Gaijin (usually) only adds in non paper designs

[@ManueL-sd9jl]

@@thecrab2791 the ostwind II was built?🥴🥴

[@thecrab2791]

@@ManueL-sd9jl thats just because it was a replacement for the coelion.

[@ManueL-sd9jl]

@@thecrab2791 panther II, tiger 2 105?, Maus, e100(chasis)?

[@thecrab2791]

@@ManueL-sd9jl panther 2 and tiger 105 were removed from the tech tree. Maus was built. I believe the E-100 had its hull built but uses the maus turret.

[@crazyadam9281]

The Jagdpanther armor might be thinner but it's well angled unlike this slab of a tank.

[@stonebridge157]

Still meets ton of heat, and usually it's a one-shot on them. It's ww2 armour vs "modern" ammo.

[@utzius8003]

The sheer thickness of the Ferdinand is still larger than the effective thickness of the Jagdpanther. Just shows how ridiculous the Ferdinand is.

[@EnterTheFenix]

They've already split naval into two different categories.. i wish to hecc that they would do it with ground.. WW2 and Cold war+

[@superbattledroid1862]

Wish they did that with maps as well, they need Top tier dedicated maps from 7.3 and up. Too many times I play the M1’s, leo2 and T80’s only to get abandoned factory… We need at least 10 maps for top tier only and get rid of low tier maps from the rotation for tanks 7.3+BR.

[@crazyadam9281]

The issue there is what do you do with the tanks that were designed during WW2 but only saw service after WW2.

[@Nobody-mi7qf]

They split Naval cause it’s PT boats and major blue water fleets. Aka an unfair battle in any way shape or form. It’s not really needed for ground due to the fact, it fucks up the entire tree. Ground isn’t like naval where it goes from speed boats with guns to 35,000 tons of steel. Just get used to having HEAT-FS as the enemy and eventually you’ll catch up and be on equal footing.

[@MarshmaloWarrior]

​@@crazyadam9281 IMO if it was designed during ww2 it goes with the other ww2 vehicles. Post ww2 tank design philosophy is just so radicaly different.

[@Jodah175]

@@crazyadam9281 you mean for example like the Centurion? Easy. It goes in the cold war bit. Place the vehicles in the era in which they were in service.

[@ThrottleFox]

The uptiers in late war german stuff can be a nightmare

[@Mega-tl8vv]

I like how sending a second message in chat instantly triggers *chat spamming* so you cant give your team more info well done gaijin

[@lepershing1902]

Epic, i get home after a rough day and i get to watch Odd :D

[@shturm9391]

i love how he is getting pissed off by evrything, it's so funny, don't stop that

[@Tired_Sloth]

I was waiting for the Smigol treatment in the arado on that p-59 but it was not to be.

[@ExcavationNation]

I wish war thunder would add an elephant tusk decoration I could add to the front.

[@ilikejerrycans8933]

STONKS

[@ilikejerrycans8933]

STONKS

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Something else for a 2nd post: I would love to see the game split into a WW2 part and a Cold War part. Then just stop adding stuff to the WW2 part because what they basically do is ruining the meta by adding ever more OP vehicles that are basically made up. Just balance everything out properly and keep up maintenance... and just reap the rewards, just like Starcraft 1 did. It was called the most balanced Multiplayer game for a reason and it was beloved by its community because of that. I bet one could make that system work out.

[@BIGmlems]

where is the threat indicator at on 11:10 is it an audio que or something similar to wots detection indicator??

[@ErikHusky]

How it feels to play as a Germany main in low to mid tier : 5:44

[@pallegantzhorn3742]

Who cares about idiots being salty to a guy making great yt content! We love u BawZ, never change!

[@au8entikosellhnas740]

11:11 guys can someone explain to me what this threat indicator is??

[@Amstel508]

At 11:07 its mentioned the crew "spot" something. I for the life of me cannot see any indicators anywhere. Whats going on?

[@OddBawZ]

It's a tiny little red triangle. About 5 pixels.

[@heir-of-rome8187]

Love the videos it always makes my day maybe one day I can play with you that would be legendary :) love that everyday I can sit and watch another awesome video on one of my favorite games

[@justinw.7045]

Dang OddBawZ...I was trying to keep up with you in the battlepass but you jump from 37 to 79 overnight. Can't keep that pace.

[@OddBawZ]

Oh, I bought mines out so I would get the camo for the video.

[@justinw.7045]

Understandable lol thank you for the content.

[@stonebridge157]

@@OddBawZ bought? How? I could spend the 2k or 2500GE. Before I could spend GE for 10 points I think.

[@RealTCR]

Ferdinand be hitting different

[@5co756]

6.7 Germany is literally the worst BR to play , 99% up tier fighting fast small HEAT boys in a heavy WW2 monster . I wish I had the Panther 2 , let me grind it gaijin !

[@morned.cronje3683]

Btw the elephant was actually a 105 gun in the Ferdinand chasy

[@Sovietbreadstick]

No need to justify your skill. Any true fan knows you are skilled. And skilled or not. Your content is great. Funny. And informational. There will always be haters. Ignore them. They dont matter

[@WoH9Shadow]

@OddBawZ you forgot to mention that ~50mm pen can now pen the engine deck when hitting the added roof armor plate from the front! not to mention the still super weak spot under the front fender bellow the new added track pieces.

[@null-0x]

11:11 What is the threat indicator that you are talking about?

[@eb3yr]

Gotta love the ZSU at 7.0 while the falcon is 8.0

[@WarpedHorizon]

Would be fun to see some BV238 gameplay sometime. Totally not your play style, but on the right maps it could be devastating.

[@N4CR]

That thing is hella fun in AB. Sniping people at 1.3km whike they trying to sneak up on you lmao

[@steveoholty2724]

I am a German main.. and I wholeheartedly agree with your comment

[@brucethegoose1350]

I'm a Germain main player ( even if I have most other ground & air to rank 3 ) and I resemble your remark about how we play 😛

[@canned__meat]

I saw this thing as the reward and it just didn't seem too interesting at all... Not sure why they decided to go down that road. Comparing it to past rewards (PT76-57 for example), it's a bit... Meh

[@reinbeers5322]

PT-76-57 was russian, nobody else can have good things.

[@jamesgirardin8264]

Grinding this game without premium is such a joke. My highest ranked nation is the US and its only up to 5.7 and I don't even have all of them purchased. My USSR and Germany are right around the same place between 3.0 and 3.7. I've already put so much time in this game. Every other nation other than Britain and the previous ones above are all low ranks or not even started at all. It's such a time consuming thing and it's annoying. That's why I watch you and Phly. You guys make the game look somewhat bearable which keeps bringing me back to it. Love the vids

[@hati9460]

Tried hopping back in and playing games but the servers hate me, played maybe 10 games and then shows 0 games being played and 0 people in que! I can still see why I took a break from it because of the servers

[@softytatoe6813]

at 11:15 he says a threat indicator? how did he know it went off?

[@ebshaw5974]

You sound very positive about its lack of capability but then you lay a smackdown

[@liladoodle]

People skipped the battle pass because of this vehicle, and they missed out. This was in the beta Germany ground tree. Now all we need is the STUG IV to make things even better.

[@destroyerarmor]

Worst battle pass and besides people have jobs. Warthunder is a hobby not a job

[@commandergeokam2868]

still i cannot understnad why there isnt a stug 4 in the game

[@Shiraumere]

No one missed out on a bad tank.

[@AdeptusNoosphere]

Idk how “missing out” on a copy paste is a bad thing.

[@liladoodle]

@@AdeptusNoosphere People wanted this vehicle in the game for years, when the beta ground tree was shown off. But when the final product came out, it wasn't there. Now it's here & people skipped it.

[@Atom-kn3zf]

Funny enough , Elefant and Ferdinand having mantle but different side forward and backward , this is allowed to avoid confused German soldier who thought was Ferdinand and mistake name for elefant

[@YesMinister]

Ah cuid pure, pure, uise yer hulp wi' th' AGS.

[@Vapingdeath]

hey oddbawz. i dont understand what you mean at 11:10 what indicator ? greetings! keep up the good work !

[@ianpalmer3357]

Anyone know what he means by threat indicator at 11:10?

[@cerkurkafelst7335]

He is talking about a red arrow that shows up on the side of his screen indicating where his crew spotted an enemy. You can upgrade the range of the crew spotting with crew upgrades or whatever people call them.

[@thatchris1626]

I’ve punched through it so much I couldn’t tell the difference between the two tanks lol