The END of PC era....?? | Apple M3 MAX vs Intel

[@NakormiteVasu]

like the apple ending xD

[@theTechNotice]

Not many people get to that! :)

[@certainlyjoel]

Donald Duck > Mickey Mouse (unpopular opinion)

[@RanjakarPatel]

he make laffing four my countrymans marquez. this no kindness. this no convenience. my color good color. all color good color.

[@giljesusseraspe9225]

Love it too...😅 😂 🤣

[@RishabhSharma-lq1id]

Problem with Apple is the company itself. Sorry but I don't want to buy a Laptop with non-user up-gradable storage. And their Ram and storage upgrade is such a scam.

[@adami775]

U can solder it

[@RishabhSharma-lq1id]

@@adami775 Yeah, that's the problem

[@noticing33]

​@@RishabhSharma-lq1id😂

[@pathfollower]

So I buy what I need up front. The real problem is no repairability. And Apple's notorious declaration of "liquid damage" on anything they don't want to cover under warranty. I am not in a financial position to buy a multi thousand dollar crap shoot with no third party recourse if the OEM company decides to live down to their bad reputation and screw me. May buy a cheap previous generation if I can find it and run it till it dies, with external backup. I do like the ability to run on batteries.

[@Platinum_XYZ]

exactly

[@paulharrison8379]

The truth is that an M3 is much slower than an i9 than you claim in normal applications. The problem is that like all KZbinrs you choose video editing as your example of a high end app. Macs have native video apps which is why they are not much slower than i9s running equivalent apps. Unfortunately for me as an embedded software developer none of the apps that I use are available for Macs. This means that if I was to use a Mac for my work I would need to run Windows versions of apps under Rosetta 2. This means that an M3 Mac would be less than half as fast as an i7 or i9 PC when running my workload. Intel intended to use TSMC's 3 nm process this year but delayed this plan until next year when TSMC will have a better 3 nm process available with a higher yield. This means that next year Intel (and AMD) will not waste as much electrical power in their computers as they currently do.

[@raulgrangeiro]

This isn’t true just for you, friend. I’m a civil engineer and a Mac is pretty useless to me as none of my working softwares are available for it. It would be useful to me just for watching videos, even playing games is not possible. These kind of reviews aren’t the reality. But, if the developers of professional softwares of various areas make their software to Macs the story could be different, but we can’t live on a dream land, the reality is that.

[@vision2003]

Yep, Apple's chips are great, everything else (price, scalability, MacOS), well..... not so much.

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@vision2003 The price is similar to similar windows laptops, yet as you see here you can desktop performance.

[@ElMeach]

I am a video editor, but totally get you. Most video card reviews are about gaming.

[@vision2003]

​@@MichaelGGarrythe price is not even close when you start going into "not a basic model" territory. I'm a developer and I'm currently in store for a new laptop and will be needing 32GB of ram and at least 1TB of storage. A MacBook Pro with these specs is in 3k territory. I can get a 7840u laptop with these specs for 1-1.5k where I live. And yes M2 is better than 7840u, no questions there, bot not worth 2-3x the money imho.

[@Real_MisterSir]

4k dollars for a thermally throttling laptop with notorious repair issues and shady (aka often illegal when brought to court) business and support practices or 3k dollars for an entire top-spec desktop that never thermal throttles, can work for days, and if anything breaks I can fix it with a hammer or have it serviced by a local repair shop There is no such thing as a bad product, only bad pricing. And Apple are still behind because of this, when it comes to broad market appeal. And I make no mistake in recognizing this is fully intentional on their part. They have already saturated as much as their production pipeline can support, they don't benefit on compromising on margins to reach more customers. Then there's all the other things the mac ecosystem can't handle, proprietary software systems, general driver support for various fields of work, etc. It's simply a far more limited platform that granted works very well if you buy into their whole ecosystem, but then you're also paying 30-40% more on every single item you use, which quickly ramps up over time. Plus when my desktop PC starts to fall behind the curve, I can swap out a select number of components and be back at the top of the charts. Not possible with Mac products, even their desktop systems are end-of-road purchases that have to be fully renewed every 4 years or so to keep up with what's out there. Don't get me wrong, what Apple is doing is amazing. They have some world class engineers and implementations that Intel and AMD can't beat one-to-one. But that is only relevant, if the products are available in the first place. And at Apple prices, that just isn't the case for many people unless you very specifically work with the fields where their products excel and you never need to branch out.

[@MrHristoB]

Best comment here and I'm with you on this 100%!!

[@squatch545]

Unless you are willing to sell a kidney to get an Apple, they are not worth it.

[@MichaelGGarry]

"4k dollars for a thermally throttling laptop with notorious repair issues and shady (aka often illegal when brought to court) business and support practices" What throttling? Did you watch the video? Notorious repair issues? On the M series? Where? What? When? Apple support ranks among the best in the industry. "3k dollars for an entire top-spec desktop that never thermal throttles, can work for days" Dubious claim alert.....

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@MichaelGGarry "Apple support ranks among the best in the industry" oh god this innocent soul doesn't even know. May you stay eternally blisfully unknowing of the world context around you.

[@Renzsu]

There's a few apps I use that are Windows only, but even for stuff like Blender or Stable Diffusion, the Apple chips are not there yet. Not all 'creators' are video editors ;)

[@theTechNotice]

100% agree with you, I just had to lean one way to make a point ;)

[@GeneralS1mba]

I bet M4 will be mainly focused on an npu

[@landscape1570]

Blender performance has drastically improved with the M3 family, especially thanks to RT acceleration

[@GlobalWave1]

Also some creators are music producers and these chips are insanely good for music production too. Especially on the go!

[@HablaKK]

the fact that you have to compare a full desktop vs a laptop makes the laptop a winner no matter what

[@tmmehedi]

Facilities of desktop- 1> update or change dmage cpu 2> update ram 3> update storage 4> update cpu cooler 5> update GPU 6> more io ports 7> multiple ssd or storage drivers 8> add external network card 9> change damaged motherboard 10> can use many operating systems

[@Paul_Rohde]

+ Secure RAID setups + Large monitor if doing serious graphic video work. You're not carrying that around with a laptop. + Surround or Audiophile speaker setup for audio work, or great gaming! + Connection to scanners etc + Flight simulator or other gaming setups. Sure, laptops have their place, but high end money is best spent on a PC station setup. Buy a money efficient PC laptop for portable work.

[@definingslawek4731]

@@Paul_Rohde Desktops are cool but how is large monitor a plus for desktop over laptop? It's super common to plug a macbook into a large display.

[@Paul_Rohde]

@@definingslawek4731 Sure. But for many budgets, a large monitor (even high a fps one) and desktop will still be cheaper/obtainable than a good laptop. Your said display is stationary in a set position taking up a space. It's not being carried around with the laptop. And then when the monitor is in use, the laptop screen is in the way, unless the monitor is high. (plus there's no numpad, for alt-code entries, plugging all accessories, and all the other things mentioned like RAID ...) But if a laptop is a must for you, go for it.

[@MTN1601]

+ Hackintosh on PCs with compatible components

[@Duckstalker1340]

The only thing Apple really did was making these new Macs really good for video editing, actual leaps and bound on what a Windows PC could do. Guess what? The majority of KZbin influencers do that on their daily basis, so all you can hear are good things about these Macs. Clever Apple!

[@MichaelGGarry]

Now check out the reviews showing things like code compilation which is also stellar.

[@bren.r]

I’m a software engineer. I appreciate the power efficiency I get out my 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro. These machines are not just for video editing, lmao. Windows is trash for development that you need WSL… because the internet runs on Linux. Everyone’s use case is going to be different. I have a PC specifically for gaming. If we are being honest, when games are developed, the concept of it running well on macOS is never a consideration simply due to market share.

[@PawFromTheBroons]

You do realize that MANY channels are testing for coding or music production *only*?

[@Longlius]

@@user-ns7yu8us4e The only kind of software development that is not trash on Windows is game development, and it turns out that the overwhelming majority of dev work is not in gaming.

[@GameClient-i8w]

@@Longlius windows + linux still far superior than mac..the only advantages on mac is audio core (DAW ) ProRes codec....development linux still far way ahead from mac.....overpriced machine.... soldered RAAM CPU GPU SSD..when system bricked ....say goodbye to your 4k machine + data

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I really like my 13700k for my office pc. It is awesome at multitasking. It never stalls no matter what I throw at it. I can cpu mine on the P-cores and the E-cores handle the browser. I can even play old games like Batman Arkham Asylum on the E-cores and Intel 770 igpu at 1440p/ highest settings with a locked 60fps while cpu mining.

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

I really like my M2 MacBook Air for my office computer. It is awesome at multitasking. It never stalls no matter what I throw at it. I can CPU-mine on the P-cores and the E-cores handle the browser. I can even play old games like Batman Arkham Asylum on the E-cores and the M2 iGPU at 1440p/ highest settings with a locked 60fps while CPU mining and that's running an x86 binary of the game through Rosetta under Steam, while giving me all-day battery life. The magic of Apple Silicon is it gives you equivalent performance to a decent Intel desktop CPU while consuming 1/10th the wattage. That's what's game-changing about them. If all you care is peformance regardless of power consumption, heat output, fan noise and battery life, then sure, Intel's perfectly fine.

[@dennisp8520]

@@little_fluffy_clouds Most people don't care about heat though but the battery life improvements is where the real merit is. However, for a desktop set up power consumption is not really a concern that is top of mind for most people at that point they care about raw performance with the only consideration being the heat and that's only because they want to be able to maintain peak performance and not worry about being thermal throttled. That being said, for my workloads any ARM based chip is going to be a issue, especially since my workflow relys on Windows which doesn't handle ARM based SoCs well like Mac OS does

[@NakeanWickliff]

@@dennisp8520 Came from a 12900K and gtx3080ti. I still grab my power brick and take it to on location gigs because I'm so used to having to have a charger with my pc laptops. It's a game changer to have a single computer (vs desktop and laptop) for all my needs. Everyone's mileage may vary and everyone has a different use case, but I'm so glad I switched. It's insane the amount of work I can get done no matter where I am!

[@snow-uq4gx]

@@little_fluffy_cloudsI’ll enjoy upgrading ram and as many hardives as I choose for the future on my i7 desktop 😏

[@Nugromant]

I'll never get tired of commenting how this channel always sees the right perspective of hardware, really ultra impressed to find out we have a portable chip by apple that performs on battery as impressive as a high end desktop i7/ i9 , what a journey.

[@ML-mp4zg]

It's basically RISC vs CISC architecture, period.

[@javascriptes]

Exactly 🎉

[@Taran_Bali]

Its really mind boggling to carry all that powerful machine in a backpack , that you can take anywhere. Take it out and start working instantly.

[@theTechNotice]

Yep, that's insane!

[@sergeyd2199]

But in reality most people don’t need to take it everywhere. They just buy it for “what if” purpose. What if I need to work on a run? What if I need to work during business trip. What if I’ll go to work from the coffee shop? But in reality they might do that once or twice a year, with no urgent need whatsoever. They just need a compact and powerful desktop! And apple doesn’t offer one which you can upgrade or install Windows/Ubuntu on it.

[@TomasRamoska]

Truck with cash is reversing into your drive 😂

[@MrHristoB]

Yeah, "The END of PC era....??" With the massive choice of configuration and upgrade options from Taiwan, Intel, AMD, nVidia etc against overpriced, non upgradable laptop from A, with planned obsolescence, that in probably two-three years time will develop a minor glitch that you need to shed another pile of cash to replace it. The proof: my SFF desktop that is "older" than my macbook still works, unlike the macbook that one day just decided to retire and die ,couldn't hit even its four year anniversary. NEVER AGAIN ANYTHING FROM APPLE!!! Drop that Apple nonsence and give us another Creator PC build 😀

[@SteveMichael]

I have had the exact opposite experience. My Microsoft Windows machines usually last for a good 3 years and then have issues, but my Apple machines last around 5. Now there are exceptions and it depends on what I am doing. To me the REAL difference here is battery life and performance. If battery life is very important to you and to a smaller degree heat, then there is no real comparison here. On the opposite side, if you want to play PC games and don't care so much about battery life, then again there is only one real choice. In my opinion the average user out there wants a good quality laptop, one that the battery will last 8+ hours and an OS that just works. They also want that at bargain basement prices. :-)

[@waseembessada7390]

Can we just take a minute to appreciate this man's effort in making these super in depth videos Thank you.

[@anitawhale1013]

nope

[@YouTubeisDumb69]

The video is as clickbait as this comment

[@Matlockization]

I too, was taken in by this review until I saw other reviewers and then I changed my mind 180 degrees. Apple has developed a great APU, but this Co is outweighed by its many disadvantages.

[@Paul_Rohde]

Why, by deliberately ignoring more efficient, higher core, more productive AMD systems to suit his comparisons.

[@Matlockization]

@@Paul_Rohde Yes indeed. I think some people are stuck on Apple products. And I've been there, but sooner or later you can't lose sight of the facts.

[@DaveDFX]

I'm a vfx artist and supervisor. I use PC and Macs. My Macbook Pro M3Max 16 40 48gb Blender render classroom 19 seconds, desktop RTX 4090 7 seconds. My m1pro base model took over 3 minutes. The thing is the software needs to be optimized for Apple Silicon. Blender 4 supports hardware raytracing and that made a huge difference. But I'm happy apple silicon is making huge steps fast. Doing work unplugged on a mac is so good. A pc laptop dies under 3 hours or less. PC laptops huge bricks is a pain. Macbook usbc charging is sweet and lifesaver at times. I can even use a powerbank . Apple ecosystem is just great. Continuity, handoff, sidecar airdrop etc. . Not too many mention that Apple software support for all devices are solid and consistent. Macos i like better than the PC mess of UI. Windows 11 hahah. The speakers on the macbook pros 16. The trackpad and gestures of macs are so smooth. Pcs laptop trackpads gives me anxiety. I run Windows on Virtual machines for some apps. some apps works some don't for now. Gaming and 3d on a PC or pc laptop is still best for now mainly because the apps are optimized for GPU and Nvidia. Soon that will change.

[@brandonw1604]

The only thing I use my MacBook for is working and traveling for the day. Never have to worry about plugging it in, work Lenovo won't hardly get down the road before needing to charge.

[@ShadyPlumber]

I wouldn't by another Apple product even if it was twice as fast.

[@MrBurakoeztuerk]

What bad experience did you have? Just curious as a PC user

[@PlayNeth]

Facts. Until they get their crap together and stop being the ultimate anti consumer company I couldn't care less

[@mytestbrandkonto3040]

I checked for M3 Max prices with low effort and my disappointment is immeasurable. 😉 The way things are, for some people this whole efficiency advantage will not make sense. I am very sorry.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Same here. They make products that would benefit massively from existing in pro-consumer setups, but Apple is notoriously anti-consumer. I will never shill for them.

[@SpeedKillersGaming]

For me they are the worst platform to game on

[@laramaviper]

Apple M1 to M3 laptops are fantastic, specially knowing what they can do on battery only. Now, anyone that follows tech knows that laptops from multiple brands like lenovo, razer or asus are showing much better results than the ones you showed (on a desktop!). So, why and how this compares to a desktop with a i9 and 4090? Are you saying intel laptops are superior to their desktop counterparts?

[@lol-di3tf]

Intel's power consumption is high because it's using Intel 7 which is TSMC 7nm based while M3 series are TSMC 3nm based. That's a huge, huge, huge difference. Apple is using several generation advanced chip. Not surprising.

[@Silent.killer_007]

now lunar lake is coming with 3nm and m4 on ipad consumes upto 30w peak lol

[@rudrapatel3964]

x86 architecture in Intel is not power efficient. Even if it was fabricated at 3nm

[@alilokhd4638]

The x86_64 CPUs uses the CISC architecture And arm CPUs uses RISC architecture. If you learn more about this you'll know why x86 tends to pull more power, however if you want to make x86_64 app run on arm CPU then you see a worse result since arm doesn't have the instruction sets needed and the app will use a lot of CPU cycles in order to make it run. You can't directly compare these two architectures since they are different from each other, unless if intel moved to arm.

[@AlexanderBorshak]

If I'm correct, the modern Intel CPUs using the RISC on the low-level as well, but have to simulate CISC on microcode level - for backward compatibility. So the backward compatibility is the real price for less FLOPS/WATT ratio. But, as for consumer, if i don't bother about it and not going to run some outdated software, i can buy Mac and have that better performance per watt (and that not being said about Apple ecosystem between Mac / iPhone./ iCloud - neither Windows or Android can afford such great UX).

[@alilokhd4638]

@@AlexanderBorshak I don't know about AMD, but intel still uses and maintains the CISC architecture, plus you can't simulate CISC operations bc the risc have about 50-90 instructions in total (maybe apple did add more idk) and if CISC have more than a 1000 instructions

[@AlexanderBorshak]

@@alilokhd4638 And as to the "you can't simulate CISC on RISC" - what the reason? For example, lean but still Turing complete language like simplest Asm with about 6 command allow us to implement (i.e. simulate) Haskell language that immeasurably richer and contains myriads of means. So, why we cant simulate more complex arch (CISC) with help of more lean (RISC)?

[@nadtz]

Keep trying to explain this when people do these comparisons. Apples chips are impressive but comparing architectures is like comparing a car to a truck and saying the car is better because it can travel the same distance using less gas when the point of the truck is being able to carry cargo. The good thing regardless is Apple made it plain that ARM is viable for desktop computing which MS has been pretty terrible at so far.

[@theTechNotice]

I guess the architecture doesn't matter when we compare the same things, in this video all the workflows were identical, it's like drag racing a Tesla vs Nissan GTR :) That comes from a guy who runs PC channel and tells people to buy a PC instead of a MAC 😇

[@VertexCarver]

Honestly a bit excited for more efficient components. Maybe this will lead to some competition & make it happen. ^^

[@Xul]

But why compare it to the notorious efficiency worst case? AMD is the technology leader for CPUs

[@RioboCabotD]

This is precisely why I went for the Ryzen 7900 (non X). It's crazy efficient, and cool.@@Xul

[@theTechNotice]

AMD vs M3 MAX is coming out soon! :) @@Xul

[@Lork22cm]

@@theTechNotice Nice! I also would like to see GPU compute comparisons! I know you focus on video content creations but I would love to see it in other work related tasks. Also gotta take into account that the m3 as a node advantage.

[@delavega92]

apple is having problem scaling up their chips because of arm instruction limitation just like amd and intel having problem scaling down with x86 instruction. Apple already had to cancel their m-extreme chip that was planed for their mac pro line and all the talk of arm chip server was hit with reality when they try to scale up. Arm instruction set had been around for a long time, it's not new.

[@lbenegas]

We do understand what these resultas mean. We get 20% less performance, for a third of the price. Have a great day.

[@Crazyblox]

Blud pays the rest in energy bills 💀

[@axi0matic]

@@Crazyblox Assuming you're constantly running the PC flat out, which is unlikely, it would still take a long time, even at current electricity prices. I also doubt the GPU is being run at max TDP during a Premiere render. It would be interesting to know how much effect the GPU has for Premiere exports - would an RTX3060Ti give broadly similar results?

[@michaels8607]

amen...hahahahahaha

[@michaels8607]

@@Crazybloxprovide PROOF,instead of more myths....duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@michaels8607]

Crazy talks out the side of his azz with NO proof from Con Edison nor any other power company. it's a lot of plug ins that tend to max out CPUs, not DAWs themselves not even high track counts. For EFX I use my hardware, Alesis Quadraverb, Ensoniq ASR 10, EmU E6400, etc...16,18 bit efx..I have the gear in my house.. ..@@axi0matic

[@igorkharytaniuk2661]

Really great comparison! I had looking for such video after m3 is arriving, thank you! And you are fully right, end user doesn't care about CISC architecture or RISC architecture, he just needs to finish his tasks in the most effective way.

[@theTechNotice]

Glad it was helpful!

[@rafaeldelrey9239]

Not sure if I understand this. Are you comparing Mac OS laptops vs Windows Intel desktops?

[@Sasuke-d8l]

I got a MacBook - MacOS is so clean, looks beautiful, hardly there are bugs. It's also fast and runs on battery. I won't get another one unless I have too much money as this can't be repaired only 1 year warranty. You can't upgrade RAM and Storage. Almost All PC components have 3-4 years warranty and even if something goes wrong change it. the cost of building a similarly performance PC as the M3 max is half it's cost.

[@lophilip]

Crashes 2-3 times a month? What are you running, even my most unreliable linux machine has an uptime of about 2 weeks, and my gaming windows machine has an uptime of 1 month.

[@Sasuke-d8l]

@@lophilip Premier Pro + After effects with lots of plugins

[@blion3d]

The solution to that stability problem is simply a tiny dualboot partition of a debian based linux distro like pop!, if you get the hibernation properly settled up you can easily switch between windows and the linux boot and ext3/4 and NTFS are interoperable(natively by linux and thanks to 3rd party ones in windows)

[@MichaelGGarry]

"the cost of building a similarly performance PC as the M3 max is half it's cost" - did you even watch the video? "I won't get another one unless I have too much money as this can't be repaired only 1 year warranty" - which you can pay to extend, even then Apple have repaired my machines in the past outside of warranty for free multiple times.

[@tuboa7058]

does it run crisis?

[@El.Duder-ino]

11:50 is the WHAT makes Apple's Mx chip UNPRECEDENTED in comparison even to the PC desktop chips! THIS IS a REVOLUTION Apple delivered since M1 - INCREDIBLE PERFORMANCE PER WATT!👍💪 The only problem of the Apple Macbooks and Macs is their high price for very lame amount + performance of RAM and storage, ports limitation and no possibility of upgrade. Apple would take MUCH BIGGER user base of the PC market if they would improve these aspects and would make Mac also fully compatible with Windows (& Linux) through official multi boot solution and improve porting and provide even more support for crucial and most popular PC apps/games to Mac including Steam. 15:21 is where u made a mistake and mentioned Intel instead of Apple😁And yes, it would be AMAZING to say the least to get Apple M3 Max/Ultra chip uncapped with power draw which goes way over current max of 70 W!

[@RezaAghapour]

You talk like, that Apple M3 Max costs 700€! Man m3 max costs around 3000€!😅😅 None gamer around the world will pay this money for m3 max, because there are no video games for mac os!

[@BrunoZuga]

Thanks for the work you are doing on comparing systems cross platoform. Very educational and entertaining. One thing I have yet to see anywhere on youtube is comparison of MP4 encode quality on PC vs MAC on low bitrates. Low bitrates as used in streaming 4-10Mbps. I did some tests I would take output of even dated Quadro P200 any day over what is on the output of M series hardware encoders. Speed is only part of the deal, the quality is another one.

[@claytonsmith1906]

Apple is still way more expensive when you factor in storage cost and many other things. Plus if you ever want to get into gaming at all then you basically just wasted all your money with Apple. Also, does anyone care about power consumption?

[@prabhakardhar1379]

im happy with my i5 13500 whole d5 setup with uhd 770, for now... good enough for everything, and costs much, much lower than macs

[@SixHexSix]

I use a PC desktop and have a m2 mac book air with final cut pro on it. I can edit 4k footage on the go on a super light and thin laptop with no fans in it and a battery lasts 18 hours. My predator Helios would sound like a jet and melt anything it was on top of and required an outlet nearby cause the battery would die so fast. I pay $60 a month for adobe on my PC and Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro were $200 with a student discount. I own them now and dont have to pay a subscription. Airdrop is amazing and I dont know why Windows cant figure out Bluetooth.

[@techzolute]

Ever heard of Quick Share? Now Google it.

[@abusadoruci]

It’s not the end of Pc it’s the end of intel. It would be fun to see how it holds up against an AMD ryzen 9 7950x

[@lachlanB323]

And an RTX 4090. It would still be cheaper then the mac at around 3k. You also get way more ram and storage etc. A decked out macbook pro costs $7200!!! A 4090 ryzen 7950x costs like 3k And getting the same ram and storage would be an extra like 1k so 4k vs 7.2k. And the rtx 4090 decimates the macbooks chip. But the macbook is a laptop so it isn't fair... but it still isn't desktop class performance especially with cost.

[@Angelo_Paduraru]

At this moment Intel CPU’s are better than AMD in video editing.

[@GlobalWave1]

@@lachlanB323You’re average desktop isn’t a 4090 with a 7950x. I think we have to escape the notion that the best pc components money can buy. I’d say the M3 max is faster than 80% of desktops out there. Most people actually have dated tech and only on KZbin do people have 4090s and top of the line CPU’s. You’re paying for the engineering and the rnd that it takes to go into this thing. You’re right that the Ram and ssd upgrades are rubbish but unfortunately some of us pay into that. Thats why many of us just use external thunderbolt SSD’s.

[@undrsonr5316]

the new intel chips out now consumes less energy, much less... with good AI too... so 2024 linux/windows notebooks will be in the run for the battery life game too... also ARM notebooks for linux/windows are a growing market now too... competition is good. :)

[@axi0matic]

@@GlobalWave1 Equally, the typical Mac user has a base MacBook Air, not a $4000 laptop.

[@jayvee8502]

The best advantage of using Intel x86 is RGBs. 😅😂😅

[@Hardsky5123]

If you make money from video editing sure. The Mac is a beast. But for 99% it's not required.

[@squatch545]

The i9 still beats it.

[@CoffeeTechClub]

@@squatch545its a full power desktop cpu vs a portable laptop. Mind you a laptop that can run full performance and still almost meet the performance of a desktop i9. That is sad, intel is obsolete

[@akyhne]

Well, both AMD and Intel mobile CPUs are getting very close to desktop CPU performance ​@@CoffeeTechClub

[@HopeProphecy]

I was waiting on the edge of my seat for DaVinci Resolve comparisons :/ Do you have any idea of how the M3 stacks up in davinci?

[@dumb_art156]

Davinci is faster on macs in general

[@abdulshubhan5301]

Amd threadripper chilling in corner

[@yonggheelim1934]

Yes the power saved translate to cost savings is most compelling.....in Apple's favour

[@najeebshah.]

actually wrong lol, the time saved on the MUCH SUPERIOR PC work station translates to more money made

[@yonggheelim1934]

@@najeebshah. Well there are a lot of variables to consider like: 1, From the boss' point of view or the employee 2. Are we talking about one unit or multiple units 3. What is the savings in time over energy cost 4. What is the upgrade path...Apple has none...but then again how often does we upgrade 5. Do you also use it for gaming..I hardly game so I am really cannot commend What I am truly hoping is Microsoft/Intel/AMD looks into these alternative to save cost like Apple ditched Intel. Wishful thinking I guess. Or Apple looks into providing higher spec for future models. Higher chance of this happening I think.

[@Billyshatner88]

Unless ur living in a 3rd world country the energy cost is a moot point you wont be saving money in energy costs over time spent the price to performance of apple is horrendous id rather have a Threadripper work station thats 4 to 5 times as fast as a apple work station and has a upgrade path then spending the same amount of money on a work station that you have to upgrade the entire platform every a couple yrs apple is a hipster joke

[@najeebshah.]

@@Billyshatner88 even in third world its moot

[@yonggheelim1934]

@@Billyshatner88 Fair enough. For me, I won't switch to Apple because I am too embeded in Wiundows environment. We are talking about cost .... alas...if only....

[@fernandofonseca2033]

that's great but, at what cost? How much would M3 Max alone cost against x86 chips?

[@tjdultra6982]

Great info! But only in terms of showing how great laptops/macbooks have gone compared to desktop pcs. Now M3 Max is great but unless someone is willing to invest(for the next 5 years or so) in the Mac OS(fixed M3 Max config) for their creative business this still falls in that Apple trap of no upgradability and kinda just have to 'trust' Macbook reliability or idk be in Apple Care service for however long to cover your bases. Looking forward to your Meteor Lake coverage tho! Not as groundbreaking as M1 chips though it seems. Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦

[@MichaelGGarry]

Apple warranty and servicing is top-rated. Not to mention the second hand market is so strong you can easily get a significant percentage of your purchase back in a couple of years to upgrade to the M5 or whatever.

[@computerenthusiast402]

The “Soldered” on SSD and RAM is a “DEAL BREAKER” for ME……What if something BRAKES on the Mac ?…….You have to Recycle the entire thing and can’t recover your Data from the SSD. Because of its over heating it’s not really a good workstation replacement. It’s too “LOCKED DOWN” and could have been a great computer if it was not for the following problems.

[@theTechNotice]

fair point!

[@computerenthusiast402]

@@theTechNotice I see apple turning the Mac into a FREE or lease device that requires a subscription to use. It’s apples WAR against hackers and hackintosh

[@goobfilmcast4239]

PC / Windows sales are down. Windows is hovering at just under 65% market share...while Mac OS has risen to just over 20%. Chrome OS and LINUX are each under 5%.

[@vulcan4d]

I agree with the anti-apple comments just because I dislike their manufacturing practices. Mac is originally based on Linux, so hardware aside it will be always more efficient. I wish Linux was more supported overall as it runs on any hardware :)

[@testtest8399]

As much I dislike Apple as a company Mac is NOT based on Linux, it is based on BSD.

[@Maxkraft19]

You really have to be careful comparing Apple hardware. Apple uses specific hardware built into there chips to accelerate certain work loads. So adding more power will not help the way it does with intel, NVIDIA or AMD.

[@therealavolpe]

*their

[@frankgadlin4296]

Would you change your 4090 / i9-13900k pc for a MacBook m3 max??? I’m a bit tired of the energy bills. I work 12 hours per day on premiere. And I’m not a gamer.

[@alrizo1115]

I would really. I can work anywhere I want. Go to a cafe or a park

[@Real_MisterSir]

The thermal limitations of the Macbook setup are gonna come through. In the tests where it's been cold overnight and is set to run a 30min test as the first thing, it'll do fine. But over hours of work, it's gonna throttle and degrade its performance (as shown in the initial tests). It's not gonna be bad, but it's not gonna deliver the peak potential that you sure as hell are paying for. I would look into getting the system with the best cooling setup for the M3 Max relative to your budget for one-time purchase -and go with that. Regardless of what these tests are saying, and how much power your system is using, you're not making full use of the i9 and 4090 if all you do is Premiere. They're still optimized for certain types of work more than others. At least that's my 2 cents.

[@EventH]

What is your current PC's energy consumption cost? Just because you work 12 hours a day doesn't mean your PC is constantly drawing maximum power during that entire period. If the cost of energy is the primary factor influencing your decision to switch, it could take several years to recoup the difference.

[@Teluric2]

No. I dont think its true the powerbill post. If you need power you must have a good job. M3 is goodnon energy only if you dont do something heavy.

[@Teluric2]

Nobody does something important in a cafe Macs dont last more than 6 hours on heavy things.

[@Amazingworld19677]

Told you already, Apple silicon is the future, Rest will follow just like iphone > Android.

[@JayzBeerz]

Apple's prices are ridiculous though.

[@MichaelGGarry]

No, they aren't. Their prices are very similar to other competing and similar-specced Windows machines, as I have to say every single generation.....(Even Linus from LTT says the same).

[@JayzBeerz]

@@MichaelGGarry Linus is a joke and going through court cases. Apple SSD prices are the highest in the business.

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@JayzBeerz Their upgrade SSD prices are far too high, agreed. But thats not what you said. Linus is a joke now? Funny how the windows tech crowd revered him like a god for a very long time....

[@o.b.a6035]

I love the fact about the macbooks is that it can go maximum power mode completely on battery and that is the definition of laptop, durable, light, strong power, and efficient

[@teabagNBG]

any i9 build would be still cheaper than a macbook pro right?

[@ademkok9237]

Depends but you also need a monitor mouse keyboard and its not portalble

[@raylopez99]

High power limits? No problem. An enthusiast will create their own refrigerator to cool their gaming PC. I think LinusTech has done that in an episode.

[@YouGotPropofol]

Fascinating… people make review videos for KZbin showing which computer renders review videos for KZbin videos, faster. Circular argument.

[@JonAdamsTech]

Man the hook in this video is top freaking notch! Great stuff.

[@theTechNotice]

Yes, come on! Best comment so far!

[@JonAdamsTech]

@@theTechNotice haha well you deserve it man, I always get super inspired by your work, keep it up!

[@BenjaminMoorebeer]

The boxes in the beginning suggests he used 13th gen CPU's. I would have used 14th gen to be more modernly accurate, although we all know 13th vs 14th is a minimal difference.

[@VIRT22]

13900K actually is = 14900K with additional 200MHz. So it's the latest Intel CPU being tested lol

[@theTechNotice]

That would've made Intel even worse since the power draw is even higher and difference smaller ;) have a look at my 14th gen reviews 😇

[@VIRT22]

@@theTechNotice You should always make a reminder going forward that 14th gen is just rebranded Raptor Lake with nothing new to offer except a clock speed pump and a 4+ e cores with i7-14700K 😂😮‍💨 Keep up the good work!

[@PKperformanceEU]

12c m3pro destroyed my 13900h pulling 130w for the test: Numpy-multiprocessing Mandelbrot Render. M3pro: 23.7s 13900h: 55.6s M3max 16c has no competitor as it's faster than a desktop 13900KS

[@tracebivens6188]

@@PKperformanceEU would be interesting to see if there’s any additional improvement on cpu using that fancy new ML package Apple just released

[@Fouge642]

That's great and all but my girlfriend just switched from mac to PC because RAM and SSD prices were robbery AND it cannot not be upgraded. Got her a 13600k, 64 GB DDR5, 990 Pro 4TB SSD, 4060TI 16GB , AND a $700 4K dell display for her lightroom classic usage. 1/3 the price of a mac studio and studio display. Some people are smart enough to switch thankfully. Its also mini itx yet still has absurdly better cooling than those macs.

[@theTechNotice]

I'dve done the same thing, just for mobile workflow, they're killing it 😱

[@HablaKK]

Look, windows pc and laptop don't even count anymore. Nothing come close to apple M3 Max laptops.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Why compare the price of a Mac Studio and studio display when the Mac Studio would work just as well on the Dell display at half the price?

[@Fouge642]

@@MichaelGGarry apparently there's scaling issues with 4k on Mac os

[@Fouge642]

@@MichaelGGarry but the big point was how much of robbery Mac is for ram and storage. And absolutely no upgradeability. And it can't keep up with a dedicated Nvidia GPU as well

[@DJaquithFL]

What Apple needs to do is to reconfigure their silicone for AI (parallel processing) tasks to take on Nvidia. It would take apple from a 3 trillion to a 6 trillion dollar company in a snap of a finger.

[@markbremerkamp6614]

Yes I’ve been wondering about this! Why are they not pushing through? They made an effort on the m1

[@markbremerkamp6614]

oh I did read up on it a bit. You know the difference in training performance is still huge - like 3x - 10x comparing m3 to a nvidia GPU's buying a whle apple system vs just one gpu doesn't scale as well

[@DJaquithFL]

@@markbremerkamp6614 .. Everyone (Nvidia, AMD and Intel ) is tripping over themselves to get into the AI game. Too bad an ASI and maybe even an AGI will be our undoing and end.

[@epsisphal]

Putting more power in the Apple M3 MAX does not really make sense. Apple M3 MAX has less resistance than Intel chips. That's why they consume less power. It is not related to the power which is "put" into them.

[@jtt7784]

Bought an M3 Pro for Photo editing on the go in C1, already have an AMD Desktop 5800X3D with 6950XT. The Desktop is just destroying the M3 on every front and its not even close. Few minutes faster with importing or exporting 500+ RAWs, the whole editing speed is instantaneous on the Desktop, the M3 has half a second lag with every single slider. Of course the beauty is that its portable and the battery lasts super long compared to windows laptops (especially Surface Pro 8 I had before). And why is the energy consumption on a desktop that important? If you are a professional earning money with that machine, and you paid like 4k or more, then electricity shouldn't be of concern anyway.

[@happymann1000]

Isn't 13th gen Intel last gen. It's not even as fast as the AMD offerings no?

[@ccc3]

10:53 letting the Macbook cool down every time before exporting is not very realistic for a full time media creator, though. Once you are done editing, you want to smash the export button like a cockroach because the client has you on speed dial. Postponing the export by even 2 minutes would cancel all of its performance gained by avoiding throttling. Nevertheless, it is an impressive mobile workhorse if you have to edit on the go a lot, so Apple deserves our respect here

[@amigodesigns]

Intel is absolut trash in terms of efficency, in desktop a 7950X3D is way more efficient than any desktop Intel cpu. And in terms of performance, sure, for Video editing does the trick, sadly not so much for rendering. For example, the 4090 despite being a desktop GPU that consumes around 350W while rendering with OptiX in blender still provides more performance per watt than the M3 Max. If we go to veideogames, real time vis using game engines, etc we will see the same story. Apple needs to seriously improve their graphics performance, their cpu cores are really good, but their gpu cores are still far behind the competition.

[@Martycrane]

Why would you change out the gpu on the export test, while also changing the Mac. Completely invalidated that section of the test.

[@freedomutilities9240]

Why Apple didn't use Intel or AMD CPU as comparison to their m3 max?

[@MichaelGGarry]

They did, but as ever their charts are so lacking in details its hardly worth it. Which is strange, when the results in some tests are so impressive anyway.

[@rocker10039]

End of PC era? Not really but it does show that x86 will eventually be overtaken by ARM chips.

[@akyhne]

No, x86 has way more instruction sets, than any Apple ARM CPU, which make them capable of a wider range of tasks. Add the same to ARM and the playing field is the same.

[@rocker10039]

@@akyhne i mean snapdragon elite x is showing the potential of ARM. Let's see how it goes

[@flat-out]

No thanks I hate Apple, no matter how great they are...I will never buy apple products...I want diversity and choices in my tech gear.

[@WarAlex16]

Competition is awesome. Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc have to innovate. Apple and ARM will force Intel, Snapdragon, Mediatek, and AMD to continue to innovate.

[@mikeraptorh6888]

Just by the software Windows computers are Light years ahead mcbuukcs

[@amalshadin]

Hey guys. Let's game on a MacBook 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Stealth_Pilot]

they are made for profesional work not gaming. on my m2 macbook air 8gb i get 200 fps minecraft.

[@יעקבשדה-ת2פ]

how in the word the i5 is faster with the 3090 then with the 4090??11:25

[@theTechNotice]

very good question!

[@DominicAngelo-tt1zv]

Yeah, but price to performance is a huge issue. No human has ever needed his own personal 13900k or M3 Max. They are just overkill. Keep in mind that when we are talking 16-20 cores and a lot of the benchmarks you see are minimal. Also I can build a PC with a 13900k in it for less money, and will smoke any Apple PC, and worst case scenario, trade blows.

[@MichaelGGarry]

No human? EH? Are you aware of all the fields people work in that absolutely do need this sort of power?

[@xsparky0168]

this is a lemon to grapefruit comparison, very sloppy but closer than it will ever be, still stick with intel+nvidia

[@VolkanKucukemre]

It's really impressive how efficient it is, but i don't know if it means it'll scale with more power. Actually, i think if it did, they would absolutely release a high powered product. It's not like they don't have any competition... Or why they wouldn't?

[@TheStopwatchGod]

They have the M2 Ultra which is basically two M2 Maxes fused together. It scales very well in CPU performance and fairly well in GPU performance. They will also do the same with the M3 Ultra

[@VolkanKucukemre]

@@TheStopwatchGod That's not just increasing the TDP or scaling with power tho. Video is suggesting it'd be more powerful if they just had a better thermal solution and using more power than just 70W

[@tracebivens6188]

Adding more cores is really the only way they *can* increase TDP within their business model. The other way would be overclocking, but their whole engineering ethos is kinda opposed to the concept of having end users monkeying about with the firmware.

[@nadtz]

There are ARM server chips that can eat up to 350w, they aren't clocked faster they have a bunch more cores instead. Comparing say Epyc + Hopper vs Grace + Hopper would be about as apples to apples as you could get right now but I don't think Genoa/Hopper servers are out just yet.

[@axi0matic]

Logically, if it did scale well there would be no need for an Ultra. You could just clock a Max variant to the eyeballs. It would only be used on the desktop, so within reason (and compared to the competition) power consumption wouldn't be important. Realistically though, these chips are highly optimised for the speed they run at, and have very little 'overclocking' potential. This is demonstrated by the fact the Max is no faster in the Studio than in a MacBook, and the Mac Pro's Ultra runs no faster than in the Studio.

[@darkkingastos4369]

Apple service and the way it treats it's customers is why I can't go Apple. You just can't trust the quality of the product and they are a pain when it comes to customer service.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Apples customer service is ranked among the best in the industry.

[@nivel3arquitectos]

Didn't understand. I saw a huge difference in 3d rendering in favor of i9, since i need more muscle than efficiency m3 is definitely not for me. More expensive and not as powerful, 3.5k vs 3k, remember that getting more for less money is also efficiency! If you definitely need power have to pay the electricity bill.

[@MichaelGGarry]

That depends on the task though. There are some other areas of hard CPU crunching that the M3 wins on, some the i9 wins on. But we are still comparing a laptop to a desktop.....

[@YouGotPropofol]

Don’t care about the chips…can’t stand macOS.

[@vueport99]

How's that i7 compared to macbook air M3?

[@Vennux]

they are better intel platforms than i9 14900k ...you compared an expensive apple cpu to a cheap intel cpu....compare it to the new intel platform LGA 4677 to see the real results ...bussiness cpus

[@STXNCIC]

you mean he should've compared a 40w laptop cpu to a 600w+ server CPU 🤣🤣🤣🤣 intel xeons actually perform way slower than the 14900k in most everyday tasks like gaming and video editing, they are only good for high-load but simple multi-threaded tasks like hosting big servers.

[@pythonantole9892]

A product should be good on its own not because it has been compared to another one.

[@Azureskies01]

You compare the apple chip to an intel laptop/desktop chips. LUL. Use AMD like a normal person.

[@theTechNotice]

AMD video coming up :)

[@netron66]

of course it is much better, everything, form bios, to os, to software are all dedicated design

[@randomstuff_21]

Why can't they come together and make an epic laptop/computer?

[@iandonkin6762]

I use an M1 based iMac every day and the daily power consumption is fairly minimal. Then my kids come home and they can double or treble the smart meter costs in a couple of hours. The Apple kit is super efficient and at current electricity costs in the UK, it equates to literally 000’s of GBP per annum! Great video 👍

[@definingslawek4731]

100's of pounds? really? I never considered efficiency of computer parts in terms of cost of electricity. Cause even the most power hungry desktop is literally just a light bulb no? And it's only pulling that amount for short amounts of time.

[@Imran12mamutovski]

And where's the M3 ULTRA

[@theTechNotice]

Exactly!

[@Timberjac]

ARM processors no thanks. The fact that they have to be welded to the plate will only make them more expensive over time. If PCs were born and evolved, it is because the user has in their hands the decision of what they want in their computer and how much they are going to spend on it, being able to dispense with or cheapen some features in exchange for others. In ARM processors, you're tied to the assembler, to their desires, to their decisions, and to the large profit margins that come with them.

[@testtest8399]

It is only in laptop segment, but even x86 chips are mostly soldered on laptops nowadays. There is ARM socketable SoCs/CPUs, but those are mostly used in server space for now.

[@Timberjac]

@@testtest8399 Yes, in laptops, but the problem is when they try to transfer ARM processors to PCs, because precisely the essence of PCs is the opposite of that of ARM processors.

[@testtest8399]

@@Timberjac I mean as I said if they come to PCs they will most likely be socket-able and if it costs less, same power as intel/AMD counterpart and consumes less power than those 2 consume, why not?

[@TomOhle1]

It’s worth mentioning that you aren’t testing with cross platform apps like premiere pro. Many of these apps owing to their cross platform nature are not optimized to take full advantage of all the additional coprocessors and accelerators that come packing with the m3 max. If you switch to using equivalent natively optimized apps like Photomator pro, affinity, Final Cut Pro, Motion, I think you’d find that the m3 tasks complete significantly faster than the benches you showed. In other words, potentially the m3 has significantly more potential for future performance gains as more apps become better optimized

[@theTechNotice]

These apps are fully optimised for the M3. In fact Adobe software runs better on mac than Windows these days ;)

[@fajarreza1]

​@theTechNotice that's still not directly imply a platform optimization.

[@TomOhle1]

@@theTechNotice Thanks so much for your response. I feel that it’s important clarify that what I am speaking to is the difference between running natively (which I feel your response is speaking to) and something being natively optimized which are two very different things. A common code base can be recompiled to run natively on Apple Silicon, under that natively compiled execution profile it may well show better performance in one or two operations and it can still not be well natively optimized to leverage a preferred execution path at the silicon level (e.g. the neural engine, metal shaders, etc…) that gives both power and performance advantages when running on Apple Silicon. Premiere pro is a good example that runs natively , as in that it is a cross platform code base has been recompiled for Apple Silicon and when you execute the Premiere pro binary it shows as a native app in activity monitor. However whilst it does perform better on some operations e.g. export over an equivalently priced Windows desktop/laptop it nevertheless does not make heavy usage of the GPU as for example when performing a similar brush operations in Affinity, Photomator etc... To optimize for one platform or another typically incurs a trade off with maintenance, time and cost pentalties for the dev house involved when porting. Most of the aforementioned apps have publicly made a point about leveraging a dedicated Apple Silicon code path using Metal to take advantages of the underlying accelerators and coprocessors that go effectively unused unless you use Apples provided API stack.

[@NaveenKR-o8n]

MacBook - Please come fight me without the charger.

[@TazzSmk]

for the cost of usable M3 Max laptop, you can get something like overpriced HP Z4 G5 which has 16-core (16 P-cores, 32 threads) Intel Xeon W-2465X, quad-channel ECC memory and so on, speaking of MacBook's battery performance, not sure if generating more e-waste is a good thing, at such workloads battery will degrade within 3 years...

[@certainlyjoel]

Word!

[@MichaelGGarry]

Apart from they aren't degrading within 3 years from the previous generations and the HP has a battery life (and battery performance) of what? Minutes?

[@BoneyWhy]

I use a PC and laptop, depending upon my needs. My open architecture PC goes into my 60 inch screen for day-to-day use. My PC is part of my furniture and beautiful to look at. That's why I will always use a PC. It becomes part of the overall ambience of the living room.

[@Photonicpainter]

Nice review.Actually regarding consumed power/benchmarks M3 Max is outstanding. Power efficiency of M3 Max is best in industrie.IMHO.

[@theTechNotice]

Yes, true

[@pedrolahoz]

When you can work out of your “office”, be it in your backyard, a weekend retreat, in the park the coffee shop, you are not so concerned about finishing fast, as you may be enclosed in your suffocating everyday every hour work space so you can keep plugged in you power hug PC.

[@Billyshatner88]

The problem with this is its $5000 lol no upgrade path and compare it to a Threadripper if you want to compare the best desktop productivity cpu apple is a rip off

[@fahimmuntasir606]

Just can't wait for the upcoming Mac studio M3 Ultra 🥵🥵🫣. And hoping for a same video like this when it does 🥰

[@monax1a-yt]

Does the i9 build cost similar to the m3 max?

[@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448]

No the M3 max massively more costly it's 4-6 time more expensive in pure silicon used

[@_rhapsodist]

so the M3 Max is much better for the planet and your electricity bill than anything what Intel makes 😉

[@testtest8399]

Until it breaks and it becomes e-waste, even if it breaks under warranty Apple doesn't really do component level repair so they change whole motherboard and to top it off you lose your data. So yeah, better for planet, sure.

[@_rhapsodist]

just back up your data, end of story..@@testtest8399

[@xo_you_know9983]

What M3 Max model and specs were you using to compare?

[@DiegoSeb]

I bought a MacBook only for photo and video editing, because my Windows laptop was driving me nuts in the performance with that, and it has been the best decision. So for my 3D work, I keep using my Asus StudioBook but for my photos and videos I use the Mac, which is silent, cold, and faster, and it actually feels like a portable workstation.

[@javascriptes]

But that is a Desktop chip. Can you compare it to at least the Ultra chip?

[@michaels8607]

Mac?> Overpriced nonsense hyped up to make it seem like you get value.. You can get a gaming laptop like mine, 17", 32GB, 165MHZ. real GPU, a desktop , monitor, and a server for the same amount of money...Please spare me the utter BULLSH____...Oh,and since like the Macs I do own, you cannot even go inside and fix/upgrade them..good luck with that garbage scam...Just get a used Mac or one on sale...or build a 'Hackintosh'........

[@joshuakalani590]

There has been a paradigm shift guys from 2020.Comparing x_86 architecture to arm is like comparing a tesla to a Bugatti(Electric vs petrol). Ideally this would be a fair comparison if it was m3max to snapdragon chips since their both arm and we would get to see how did it best. To date amd vs Intel is where it's at but overall it's always great to see how chips fair against each other.

[@HopeProphecy]

Were these the 13th gen or 14th gen Intel chips?

[@xo_you_know9983]

2:40 13th

[@mugdho304]

just go to 3d renders and the 4090 will murder the m3 max ...show lumion and maya benchmark or msi combustor those rt cores are not fucking aound the whole 16k cudas as well

[@yrudy]

Why gen 13 not gen 14 though?

[@theTechNotice]

Have you seen my 14th gen reviews?