The Engineer: Mann vs. Machine Tutorial

[@crispsaltybaconretromcswag33]

Killing teammates with sentry buster is the best part of each wave.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

Just don't stand next to the engi lol

[@fedethegreat88]

Even more fun if there's a pyro willing to airblast the sentry buster in the teammate's faces to protect you😊

[@KriticalKoitus]

I died yesterday to this at 198 killstreak

[@LightningGunne]

I don't remember seeing you do this in the gameplay footage or if you covered it, but here's a little fact about building upgrade canteens that anyone who reads this might find helpful: *they also restore built buildings to full HP* . If you're trying to tank damage with your sentry against a giant that won't die before or right after the sentry goes down, it might be worth it to keep your sentry up and tanking by using a canteen (or more than one) on it when it's dangerously close to destruction, rather than letting it die so early.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

You're correct. I did not show a clip of this, and only devoted 2 words to even mentioning it. I probably should have included a Tip box.

[@sonitrok2499]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel this also applies to sentries CURRENTLY being sapped by a spybot, allowing the engineer to buy extra time if he doesn't have enough time to remove the sapper

[@mooderpcow8614]

19:38 the sentry may be needed very far back just to keep an eye on the bomb. There are usually a few small bots that slip past so it’s sometimes it’s good for the sentry to stay near the bomb even if it’s far back.

[@imjustapotatoleavemealone]

​​​@@sonitrok2499 The only thing it saves is 150 metal, which doesn't worth the time loss. Its way more convenient to just let it be, and build up another one with 0 additional downtime, as a bonus you will get a fully restored ammo on the sentry. The only plus i would mention is 2way tele. Some (arguably bad) mvm players, like me for example tends to spam canteens in an alarming rate, and 2way tele helps to keep up our addiction. In official tours like 2c it makes all of the difference, with clever placement you can buy 3crit canteen with ~5sec downtime, and it also helps a lot to keep up your buildings as well with building canteens. Engi can be "maxed out" relatively fast, since you don't need resistamces, health on kill, etc. And spamming buling canteens tends to be a more reliable way to keep up a choke with dispenser and sentry always up. Extra bonus is to get the buster stuck for the medic, but for that you have to sacrifice your sentry. Imo uber on demand for the med is worth $50.

[@duncanchillake8024]

Also for all the wrangler users out there, it recovers your sentry's ammo too, so you don't have to unwrangle or retreat when fighting giants

[@BizDump]

14:35 that was BAD. ASS. Unintentional sentry jump, mid-air sentry save, and great positioning for the bomb. AWESOME. Just got into MvM with the Voltaic Voltage Tour and these guides are amazing! Thanks for making these. Cant wait for the rest of the classes to have their guides.

[@spottotea]

I remember one time I was doing a tad of trolling and blowing up a sentry buster right in front of my teammates faces. A f2p soldier got sent flying right as the rest of my team got blown up on the final wave of coal town. He then proceeded to destroy the final boss and win the match, a true hero backstory

[@vc_whatever]

Pleasantly surprised to see an upload, much more middle of my -long, agonizing- quest in completing Digital Directive!

[@bernardonegri5416]

11:58 It would be funnier if you found a custom map where you could build on a tree and place a sentry there

[@rulfayem2413]

man these videos are underrated and deserve more attention, a lot of effort are put into these

[@carolthepyro899]

Yooo hype! Now I'll wait for a Pyro guide, all I see from them outside of creators mvm servers is gas passer pyros

[@billyaepicgamer8642]

Or mouse2 spammers. I hate them more.

[@carolthepyro899]

@@billyaepicgamer8642 oh those are pretty awful aswell.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

I know you're excited for the Pyro guide, so just to avoid letting you down, I'm going to let you know in advance that I'm on the fence about doing either the Pyro or the Sniper guide next.

[@carolthepyro899]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel Im fine with either as I enjoy sniper aswell. And both classes get picked a lot just so the players using them blow half the time xD.

[@billyaepicgamer8642]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel I think Pyro would be the perfect choice for you. The airblast spammers and Gas Passer just *fits* with your KZbin personality.

[@matthewkenney9407]

This video is a 10/10 MvM tutorial for the engineer and could be named, “A smart Texan to help team and kill robots”

[@gamergamingchair]

i'm one of those inexperienced engineers who use two way teleporters to support my team because sometimes most or a few of my teammates go back to spawn to upgrade something midwave and come back again, two way teleporters are useful in some situations but i recommend getting sentry, wrench, and dispenser upgrades first

[@-CallMeJack-]

Wrench swinging speed is also good for refilling ammo or out-healing incoming damage after your sentry runs out of ammo. Also, you can pick up your sentry and place it again after using a wrangler to deny the deactivation time and lower repair/refill rate

[@woofcat2056]

I've been playing tf2 for a long time, but I've only just recently started getting into mvm and your videos have been a big help. Especially this one since I'm an engie main, so thanks!

[@vr4563]

i am not gonna lie, that screenshot of an exit teleporter at a frontline made me explode with laughter

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

ERRATA: 1. So, apparently, some players replaying missions for the 300th time expect you to buy Two-Way Teleporters so that they can do Single Player MvM Theatre more easily. Fortunately, this is not a normal condition in MvM, and you'll only have to deal with it if you play Mann Up and get stuck on a server with loot farmers while playing certain poorly-balanced official missions from 2013 and 2012. 2. Not so much a correction as a clarification: Dispenser Range is more helpful to certain classes (particularly The Heavy) than others, so there are some team balances where Dispenser Range isn't nearly as good as it "usually" is (e.g. 2 Engies, 1 Demo, 1 Medic, 1 Scout, 1 Spy). Someone named Amicdict keeps trying to post comments about why he/she doesn't like Dispenser Range, but they keep getting deleted, either by KZbin or by the poster. Anyway, I agree that Dispenser Range is "overrated" in that it is not *always* the best upgrade to get first in every situation imaginable, but I still think that it's good. It allows a player to dodge and strafe to avoid enemy fire without ever really leaving the Dispenser's area of effect. This makes the Dispenser more of a passive buff for your team than just a fixed object that you run to when hurt, and a low-cost one at that.

[@CottonBunn]

rip amicdict

just fyi amicdict is a well known troll engie, ive encountered them several times ingame refusing to max disp range while maxing their pistol (because apparently using $300 on the best support upgrade is worse than wasting nearly $2k on a useless secondary)

[@kerbonaut2059]

LMFAO FUCKING DYING LOL TROLLING FROM REDDIT TO KZbin

[@imjustapotatoleavemealone]

For 300$ its totally worth it to not get my dispenser destroyed 24/7, even on wave 1. Would recommend.

[@thomasthetankaccident6164]

Finally its here

[@davidhong1934]

The engineer... ...is engi-here!

[@ChristianRandorff]

I don't know how you only have 1800 subs, your content is amazing.

[@pedrourbano501]

I can't wait for the Sniper's guide, I feel it's gonna be like the Spy, he does have a role but many people ignore his potential.

[@Spanishdog17]

I personally think Sniper is the strongest class in MVM because of Explosive headshot alone.

[@techwizsmith7963]

​@@Spanishdog17At the very least, he's very good at popping Uber Medics if you don't have a demo, if they're otherwise not good at hitting their headshots on regular bots

[@alnico137]

Congrats on the 1k subs! I've been following you ever since you made Steam guides and with the amount of effort you put into these videos it's about time.

[@ihateyankees3655]

Clip size and max ammo upgrades for the rescue ranger can be really good if your buildings are taking a lot of damage.

[@jacobhayes3385]

I’m excited to see a tutorial on the Sniper

[@ElmoLahti]

Legitimately excellent guide.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Thanks! Is that a Jazz Jackrabbit avatar?

[@ElmoLahti]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel Yes, I get a lot of compliments for it! It's from the cancelled third game, which is abandonware and actually playable. Also has a sick soundtrack online.

[@ryan_1314]

A good engi that isn't selfish with buildings is seriously a backbone for a good team. I was playing heavy on a bigrock bootcamp server, and our engi put his sentry/dispenser on the far right area, our defenses crumbled, and we ended up losing the round several times after retries. Everyone requeues, and I join another server with the same mission. This time, another engi is on the team and puts sentry on top left cliff and the dispenser behind the rock robots spawn at. With the advantageous position, I could SHRED the waves without having to run back for ammo after 20 seconds and dying. It's surprising how many new players don't understand how helpful a dispenser is for other teammates

[@craftyrobandicootproductio1424]

Hello, I would like to say it's a great guide! I've already seen your other guides and I have to say, it's wonderful!

[@butteredbitties]

I disagree with the Eureka Effect, since metals are not exactly that big of a concern once you get more conscious of your metal usage. When playin with a random lobby, 2-way teleporters are a toss-up between useful and "not even used once", meaning it's a 250 credits that could instead be allocated towards better things like max metal or swing speed or resistances. The instant-teleportation to spawn means resupplying canteens super easy without having to run towards your Teleporter, which may or may not exist due to how far back you've been pushed (fyi: Upgrade canteens fully reheal buildings, but do not restock them of ammo, so spamming them in an emergency when your Sentry needs to stay there to block a giant or a dispenser needs to stay up is viable). If anything, Eureka is a strong B, but not quite A. It's useful in many circumstances, and by the end of wave 2 you wouldn't even miss the extra metal.

[@joellimon4124]

That intro just made me hit a like and comment.

[@bobconer5240]

YES, love your videos, glad to see your still making videos

[@agentdelta569]

congratulations on your engineering liscence btw, going for an engineering degree myself actually

[@bet3240]

Nerd

[@gregthespartanguy]

​@@bet3240he ain't a nerd, he's a practical problems solver

[@0bashie]

Thank you for your guides, Underscore

[@vast_bluesky4160]

i think 2 way teleporters can be useful in particularly large waves like the last wave of empire escalation, as this can help your team get more canteens

[@stepver2273]

i can’t believe in mvm the pomson is maybe sometimes slightly worth using

[@Brandolupa]

note on the jag...if you use it with the rescue ranger, its better than stock if used right. the rescue ranger can heal the the building at range and at a better metal conversion rate than wrench swings (4hp per metal for rr, 3hp per metal for stock wrench iirc) , and use the jag with higher swing speed for refilling the ammo which will be FAR more often. if you want to use the widowmaker instead of the rescue ranger (such as on tank rounds) i would stick with the stock wrench. frontier justice will max out on crits at only 35 crits, and your sentry will can get 70+ kills easily if you are good at moving it when needed. i typically go with jag/rr/wrangler (and building upgrade canteens) for the boost of sentry dps, and increase in sentry range/hp plus speed of refilling ammo and being able to cheese sentry busters with the ranged building grab....though prob not for brand new engis upgrades - yeah i agree with him, though the first tick of sentry speed is great, but after that ...meh (thus why i use the jag and sometimes get the first wrench attack speed tick to help reload ammo, esp when using the wrangler) the mini sentry is great imo, but get it later after main sentry upgrades. (firing speed, hp, and metal capacity)

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

I honestly did not know that the Frontier Justice was capped at 35 crits. Interesting.

[@user-ow2cs7fb5l]

I might be a little late, but I want to say happy 1k subscribers! Edit: I do play Monopoly.

[@s4neko419]

great guide, tbh i use frontier justice or shot gun when they got alot of spy, because the server i play mostly over 200 pings, there is a chance of getting facestab. (window maker won’t refill your metal if you shoot a disguised spy)

[@dragodx8238]

Also I find it to be really fun for shredding tanks, especially with how many crits you can score in a single wave alone.

[@GoldRichness]

Widowmaker is the go to for tank busting mostly. You get up in it’s face and shoot like a homicidal maniac

[@sonofjenova3798]

LETS GOOOO THE MOST UNDERRATED CHANNEL UPLOADED

[@longlivethesecondplaceice2736]

thats a lot of information to remember. you really want to educated people into mvm Wall thank you for you time and effort

[@BX_TourniaArchive]

2 way teleporter upgrade is mostly important for me in mvm. its useful because your team might need it if enemies leaked a ton (suoer scouts)

[@Loner098]

I honestly don't understand why Valve decided it would be a good idea to get rid of the ability to inspect anyone's upgrades and weapons in MVM. Even DEWILL was upset about it.

[@IvaHaze]

The short circuit also adds mobility to engineer because of short circuit jumping.

[@calvinedgington2020]

Reminded if you're using the rescue ranger to deal with Buster's make sure nobody's in the way and you have at least 100 metal so you can teleport it

[@LowProfile0247]

nice video from a year ago but i can’t believe your slander of the two way, have you never seen a demo demolish giants with permanent crit canteened scottish resistance stickies?

[@GoldRichness]

I don’t think he’s using Mann Up as an example

[@taffyadam6031]

HE'S BACK

[@_ludde1]

Ok the intro was pretty fire

[@MACKYBOY-41]

Great guide

[@TheTdw2000]

I find the disposable sentry is actually pretty useful, maybe not the way noobs use it but it's still worth it. For one thing, after the sentry firing speed upgrade, it's the only way to increase sentry dps, although this is admittedly minor. It's good if you're using your sentry passively, because you can place the disposable sentry more aggressively and cover more ground. If your big sentry's watching the bomb on the hatch you can still have a mini at the front killing those endless squads of bat scouts. If it's placed right (high up, right next to a ledge, without any walls behind it, e.g. the concrete bags on mannworks) then it's hard for bots to hit it because they'll need to get direct hits and they won't get splash damage, but it will draw aggro. Its kills and damage also don't count towards attracting sentry busters, so it lets you get a bit more damage in before sentry busters become a nuisance. It might not be the ideal upgrade but it's decent. Also the gunslinger is useful for a second engineer. If you already have a big sentry, then having another one tends to lead to sentry buster confusion. Having 2 mini aimbots plus a frontier justice instead of a second big sentry is more helpful imo. As long as you don't let a mini survive to get 15 kills or 3k damage, it won't attract any busters.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Honestly, the aggro is probably the biggest thing you mention here about the Disposable Sentry. I never thought about that, but I suspect it might be even more useful than the extra DPS. Ironically, the reason you like the Gunslinger is similar to the reason I dislike the DMS, though: simplicity. You don't like dealing with the two sets of Sentry Busters; I don't like having a 5th building on my PDA that was coded into the game to work with 4 buildings. To your point, double Sentry Busters is a lot more annoying.

[@TheTdw2000]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel For me the only annoying things about the disposable sentry are that you can't repair, restock, or manually destroy it, nor can you speed up its construction even after they added that in for the regular minis and increased their build time.

[@GoldRichness]

@@TheTdw2000 they’re called disposable for a reason. You build it as fodder. Funny enough this actually works with the FJ in stacking crits

[@TheTdw2000]

@@GoldRichness If Valve made the Gunslinger minis repairable there's no reason the disposables shouldn't be repairable as well. It sucks when it's at 1HP and you can't repair it or replace it before the next subwave because then chip damage will end up destroying it in one hit and you won't be able to replace it till the end of the subwave.

[@GoldRichness]

@@TheTdw2000 that defeats the entire purpose of a disposable sentry. You're not supposed to be able to repair it

[@sn0ipe333]

I think the absolute most you can get out of the mini if not placing it in silly places is using it to guard the bomb and keep your level 3 in the front.

[@atlantis8687]

i use widow and eureka cause the building speed debuff is negated cause i just use canteens and the widow maker can actually regain more metal that it uses if nearly all of the shots hit so their usage is pretty easy if you know how to use them

[@abox7935]

Sometimes I wonder whether the minisentry is not actually terrible, but just requires a very different playstyle than what I'm used to. I never get that upgrade, but maybe I'll experiment with it some time in some boot camp missions. One of the things I love about TF2 is that it was never really designed to have a "meta". There are so many different and creative ways to play that I see by other players, and even after almost 6,000 hours, I'm still learning new ways to play it!

[@theshermantanker7043]

It's good if you have the Jag which helps speed building it up even more, and the frontier justice. Every robot destroyed by the mini sentry is ALSO counted towards the frontier justice crit count, so when it inevitably gets destroyed or self destructs when it runs out of ammo you get about 4-5 crits at a time extremely quickly, without having to sacrifice the main sentry. It's called disposable for a reason after all

[@matthewkenney9407]

I think you should do a guide on heavy next and I do like how you made of 30 minutes telling how to play and tell how important engineer is in Mann vs machine👍🏻

[@Minxy-67]

My to-go engie loadout is:widowmaker,wrangler and wrench.Highly recommend

[@thelordpizzaman3461]

He is back!

[@SamuelTrademarked]

14:37 damn that save was awesome

[@mattemot]

Liked and subbed just from the opening

[@axtistic]

more like machine vs machine

[@Thomas_Angelo]

I play monopoly on a regular basis. thank you for asking.

[@KingdonIV]

my build for running engie in mvm would be widowmaker/frontier justice, wrangler, and stock wrench, widow-maker is good against a tank also no reload so just bang bang, frontier justice is AWESOME against a tanks, just gotta have some kills for grits galore

[@gaifadiga1]

Machine vs Machine

[@mattthekiller9129]

Yey you're back!👍 also at 7:50 sorry you got robbed lmao

[@victorwallec2534]

wait lvl 2 sentry fireing speed (wrangled) is as fast as lvl1? strange

[@ownlgn3762]

3:32 hey it’s me! Anyway great video as always.

[@Treblaine]

Wiki says that the sentry gun has a nominal fire rate of once every 0.1 sec but the game runs at 66 ticks per second and sentries are only "simulated" (whatever the wiki means by that) every 3 ticks. 3 ticks at 66 ticks per second is 0.0454545 sec recurring which doesn't go into 0.1 so the fire interval is rounded up to a multiple of 0.04545 so normally sentry gun fires every 0.136363sec. about 7.33 shots per sec. A +10% firing speed would be dividing the nominal firing speed by 1.1. But what is 0.1 divided by 1.1? Well it's 0.0909090 recurring. Now that number looks familiar. That is coincidentally exactly double of 0.0454545 so the nominal firing rate perfectly syncs with the tick rate for a shot every 0.0909sec which is about 11 shots per second. The greatest relative benefit is for wrangled sentry as the nominal fire interval of 0.05sec is rounded up to 0.909sec due to the tick rate issues, but with just a 10% nudge it EXACTLY lines up for a 0.04545sec attack interval, a whopping 22 shots per second! Combined with rockets, you're easily out-damaging a brass beast heavy who has bought the same +10% firing speed upgrade.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

I think that tracks with what I know. Do you know if the minigun Firing Speed glitches for The Heavy are caused by a similar math issue? I haven't looked into it yet.

[@Treblaine]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel yes, it seems if you really want to know the speed of any of the weapons reload or fire speed in the game you need to convert its nominal value to its tick rate value.

[@Treblaine]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel Update: turns out the server tick rate is exactly 0.015 sec (15 milliseconds) and the server polls the sentry gun every 3 ticks. I also determined that shooting the same target as a sentry with the widowmaker will deal way more damage than using wrangler. For example a max fire-rate widowmaker adds an additional 258dps to a sentry target and the widowmaker is stupidly cheap to fully upgrade fire rate, only 400 credits, barely more than a single fire rate upgrade for sentry. In fact, I'd upgrade widowmaker fire-rate before upgrading sentry firing rate. Remember that increasing sentry firing rate just means you run out of sentry ammo quicker. Wrangler is still great for the massive damage resistance which is the trade-off whether to use WM or Wrangler. Also rockets have AOE damage but generally Widowmaker will deal more damage than wrangler.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

@@Treblaine The Wrangler is also great because it allows The Engineer to keep a safe distance away from the robots. I've gotten myself killed plenty of times by being too aggressive with the Widowmaker. Still, nice to know that the Widowmaker is potentially that powerful.

[@bernardonegri5416]

About two way teles, don't speedrunners and high-level players use them so the demo and the medic can get crit canteens mid-wave? Most of the time I do buy two way teles, no one uses it.

[@carolthepyro899]

Depends on the waves. But its usually ignored as time you spend going to the tele is time you could have spent shooting.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

I've seen this once or twice. I might need to do more research, but my gut reaction is "only on certain missions with slow pacing". Notably, Metro Malice and Empire Escalation both fit into this category. Is it popular on other missions, too? TBH, I only spend a limited amount of time playing the 8-year-old official missions these days, so I don't interact with farmers as much as some people do.

[@quenquent95]

They use 2-way tele because they know how to cooperate. Your average MvM teammate is not going full canteen-spam and no mission requires it under normal circumstances. It will work at higher level, but not in your average game.

[@carolthepyro899]

@@quenquent95 that would explain why they were disabled or had a higher price on some of the creators.tf missions.

[@SamuelTrademarked]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel it's mostly popular on two cities because crit canteens are a massive crutch used to shore up a critical (no pun intended) skill deficiency. 2 way teleporter = more crit canteens = more reliable crutch = team loses less because they artificially inflate their effectiveness.

[@RealRushinRussian]

I am flabbergasted to hear that Two-Way Teleporters are described as an unviable strat by inexperienced engineers. Sure, if you have to move your sentry back and forth it is in itself a really bad sign. But that's how I've been hard-carrying pubs who see one tank and instantly lose all peripheral vision, spatial perception, and HUD tracking. No amount of "please focus on bots the tank we'll deal with" ever works, naturally. Two-Way Tele is not something you plan for, it's when your team sucks and you *know* it will be that or guaranteed loss to the first Giant Scout that comes out when a bigger target is also available.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Suicide bind if you need it is cheaper and faster than a Teleporter. I've seen 2-way SUGGESTED plenty of times as a counter to Giant Scouts, but I've never seen it actually work. I'm sure it can work, but it's not reliable enough on most maps to spend 250 credits on. I sympathize more with the people who just use the 2-way to get back to spawn for mid-wave upgrades.

[@RealRushinRussian]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel I don't understand. Who's gonna bring the sentry back if I suicide bind? Do you suggest to suicide, spend like 60 credits to respawn, buy a canteen, come out of the spawn, destroy the sentry, build a new one, use the canteen? How is that cheaper or faster in any way? My two-way tele is like three steps away from my nest, it's super fast, I move the sentry for a few seconds and go right back in, and I'll just refund the 250 upgrade after the scout wave (rather than piss money away on respawns and canteens). Again, it's not a real strategy, it's the last resort you go for when your team sucks and you know they will fail to pay any attention to the scouts. I did however carry pubs on Mannworks with this, both cleaning up the slipping scouts and tankbusting.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

@@RealRushinRussian If your 2-way tele is "three steps away from your nest", then you have a very specific situation in mind. Most maps don't have good tele spots close to good sentry spots. I was assuming a different class would suicide and go back to spawn. If you're in a situation where you're trying to do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING yourself, then yes, you might need to rely on niche tactics like 2-Way Teleporters.

[@agentdelta569]

spy bots can definetly trickstab (sort of) theyre are programmed to try and run to your back and backstab, its actually kinda annoying at higher ping levels where they can stab you before you can realistically react there is a video of a "frag movie" of spy bots im trying to find to share, but cant find it atm

[@amebee709]

This needs more views

[@mattvii9228]

If you get really high up (sentry jump) grab your sentry and destroy mid air (destroy 2 in console) the sentry buster will lose its tracking and stand in the same spot until destroyed Allowing your medic to farm Uber with his Uber saw

[@WoWplayer-v6u]

10:19 what is the custom map called, i wish to play it

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

mvm_kelly Almost every clip in these videos starts with a banner that lists the mission name, mission difficulty, and map. More recent videos also list the tour of duty.

[@WoWplayer-v6u]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel thank you kindlyy

[@WoWplayer-v6u]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel actually excuse me, i don't get it where how i can find this stuff, where to search this custom map you were playing in the video

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

@@WoWplayer-v6u The maps themselves can usually be downloaded from the Steam Workshop, but if you want to find a public server that's running them, you'll want to look at the Potato MvM and Moonlight/Pineapple MvM community groups. They have events every once in awhile, and they sometimes have "archive servers" with all of the old missions loaded up.

[@CarinoGamingStudio]

pyro is the best to deal with spybots.

[@Theverachic]

If you’re playing wave 666 the time saver of 2 way teleporters is very important

[@MitruMesre]

it's optimal to destroy and replace your sentry between waves, right? to reset sentry buster spawning

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Good question. I don't actually know. I'll have to add it to my definitely-not-backlogged list of things to check. :D

[@bernardonegri5416]

Also, what do you think about "guarding the bomb"? Let's say your sentry gets destroyed and the bomb is far behind the team, do you place your sentry to protect it or have it moved up with your team? I have failed so many waves because one demoknight or bat scout slipped by and capped.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

I thought I covered this in the video. Basically, it usually needs to be done unless a team is really diligent, as long as there are support bots, so I usually go along with the custom that the Engie will do it unless agreed to otherwise.

[@bernardonegri5416]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel Looking back, you did, sorry, but you didn't really talk about it much (because there is not so much to talk about)

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Blink and you miss it lol. Plus, I usually save *exciting* clips, so I didn't have many visual examples of bomb guarding...

[@bernardonegri5416]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel I appreciate that. One thing I really like about this series is about how the background gameplay can sometimes show off more than what you are saying, this was especially good in the scout and spy videos.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Thanks. I actually spend a huge amount of time trying to pick clips that are simultaneously interesting and relevant to the voiceover (and then syncing it up to the audio), rather than just throwing up whatever footage I happen to have on hand. So I'm glad you like it!

[@xx_toasterreturns_xx1166]

How to vagineer in mvm?

[@dragomir6442]

Thank you good man that gives me loadouts for mvm

[@unavailablename1918]

I disagree with the two-way tele being a frivolous or convince upgrade. As a med main canteen spam is a rather fun thing to do, however I'm limited to 3 per wave unless I die and restock. Now with two-way tele I can spam all three take the tele back to spawn to restock and quickly get back into the fight. While I agree it is a waste of 200 credits if no one uses it or knows it's available I think that it can empower a team if used properly.

[@agentdelta569]

unless i missed it you didn't talk about sentry busters granting on hit effects, and how it (in my opinion at least) can make sentry busters a bonus to have in MvM, not a detriment

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Mostly for Medic, Pyro, and Soldier. This is an Engineer video.

[@crouton7070]

You are underated

[@Splarkszter]

YAY NEW VIDEO OF THIS GREAT DUDE

[@ShootistFN]

its been a while!

[@randomorange562]

Can you use disposable mini to handle sentry busters?

[@quenquent95]

Busters don't go for disposable sentries

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Honest question: Is the game actually coded so that they only go after the main Sentry, or could you theoretically get a Buster to go after a Disposable Sentry if you set the spawn trigger threshold really low?

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Thanks!

[@Koshian_Adzuki]

Engineer in Casual: *Unstoppable Force* Engineer in Competitive: *bad but still decent defense* Engineer in MvM: *LAZY WHAT IS THIS DEFENSE?! “I AM THE DE-* *dies by sentry buster*

[@nexus9020]

i may be late but usually you would repair your sentry with you rescue ranger , using wrangler to triple the health of sentry and damage , and using the Jag to refill ammo much faster , as it has repair rate nerfed but not ammo but still good video

[@imjustapotatoleavemealone]

So after multiple years of using the rescue ranger with the jag in mvm: There are many great ways to play engi. Jag+rescue ranger is really great combo to start it, because you can learn everything. Buuuut... rescure ranger is a really great weapon. With time you learn to keep your sentry up with it(and with the wrangler), so it doesn't get destroyed at all. The stock wrench is way better for that purpose, since you just pick it up from the mess, hit it 3-4 times, and back to the battlefield. Ofc you can fk up, but canteens can cover those misstakes easily, buy 2 at wave 1, thats enough for the whole game. The jag is way better with the windowmaker, since you can rebuild your buildings fast, and deal greater dmg. Against overpowered enemies... killing them first is more important than to die later.

[@fsffafa8708]

Good guide. Hi underscore. Can you do pyro guide next, i have some info that can use in it. If you want to know, you can do the tank trick on giants and other giant enemies, the reason of this is because the way the tank trick works is by letting more particles hit by using an angle, thus increasing the rampup in the flamethrower (general code fuckfest made by a lack of margin of error in the particles) this increases pyro dps by 2x or even 2.5x, this is an important factor which good mvm pyros won't explain by being a really advanced trick which really needs the mastery of pyro basics to use correctly, even more thanks to his recent nature (2017>). I will send some proof of this in august 4th. I think that Pyro has a logical standpoint for engie, because of his use of positioning to get benefits, which makes a good point to start making the pyro guide

[@davidhong1934]

Don't forget about Phlog-cancels

[@panchofenix9912]

What you think about the glitches or exploits you can make with engineer portal like going outside of the map, the sentry buster bug to help medic to get free Ubers by suicide in high places or other glitches if you know some.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Currently, about the same as Gas Passer: Not really cheating, since it's "in the game", but they can ruin the fun if people do them all the time. I've never done the Sentry Buster glitch, and I don't know how to get outside of any MvM maps. I'm curating a list of PvP exploits to put in a vid sometime, though! Just stuff that's been there forever (sometimes even on the big channels that showcase exploits) but has been forgotten about and never fixed.

[@CarinoGamingStudio]

is this all from server map or on casual?

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

This is mostly from community events by groups like Potato MvM and Moonlight MvM. There might be a few Mann Up servers thrown in there, too.

[@CarinoGamingStudio]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel thanks for that. i recently join in and they are so much fun.

[@vimalraj6]

Finally!

[@theboywithagame1814]

w video

[@scrowfunk8109]

You completely ignored the fact that 2way teleporter can be used to stock up on canteens mid wave, which is especially good for demo, but you can also get upgrades outright. Especially on missions where you start with less credits, I like getting things like max reload speed for sniper asap, feels genuinely annoying to play without it

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Do people ever do this in modern missions? I don't ever see it. Maybe the speedrunners do it, but otherwise I've just been assuming it's a Two Cities thing. The missions are so old and memorized that going back to spawn is feasible. Especially on Mannhattan with its long lulls where nothing happens.

[@scrowfunk8109]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel I'm coming as someone with 200+ tours in 2cities, so maybe that's the case. I just know it's a really nice quality of life thing and I've seen other experienced players use it

[@xxdinorabbitxxschannel5083]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel I, at the least, get two-way teleporter for ME. Getting building upgrade canteens mid wave is way to essential for a widowmaker engineer, not necessarily to rebuild a sentry that went down, but more so that i can destroy my sentry then instantly rebuild it when i need to reposition it since i dont have the rescue ranger. But you dont use canteens, so I understand.

[@billyaepicgamer8642]

What is your response to using 2way teleporters to spam crit canteens? I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention this in Expectations. Some people will get pretty upset if you don't buy 2way.

[@carolthepyro899]

2way is a waste ifbyour team is already killing it or atleast keeping a good defense. If they rely on crit spam to win, they are likely pretty bad or have bad upgrades.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Honestly, I forgot this was a thing. I guess I don't spend much time playing Two Cities. Since like 75% of the MvM games I play are new missions that I (and most of my teammates) have never played before, there isn't some Demo that's memorized everything from playing it 80 times. Plus, Two Cities (and some other official missions) are really slow-paced. I doubt canteen spam would be feasible on many of these custom missions, even if they were memorized to the extent that Two Cities is. You're probably right that this is an Expectation that I overlooked, but it's also kind of mission-specific, so I'm conflicted as to whether it warrants making the Errata or not.

[@billyaepicgamer8642]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel I think it's worth acknowledging that elitist players might demand Engineers to get 2way and will get upset if you refuse. Therefore, warning new players of canteen spamming might be warranted. Remember that the majority of players play Valve missions.

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

I did end up adding it to the Errata. :)

[@connorfries8297]

9:08 Who hasn’t played monopoly?

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Gen Z? And I don't know, but according to all of the KZbin trivia channels, almost nobody who does play Monopoly does it correctly.

[@EnvyTankos]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel This is like asking if Gen Z have ever eaten at McDonalds or something. If you live in the US, there's a very good chance that you have

[@ayoayo6752]

thank u for this

[@sergiazorin3170]

NICEEEEE

[@dovahkat9635]

I feel like writing off the disposable sentry kinda misses the point of being able to have a second sentry. Sure it's not terribly strong, but that's not what it's for. Use it to cover an angle your main sentry can't see. Or use it as the fallback support if something slips past. Plus, though kinda gimmicky, you can use it with the frontier justice to get your crits without needing to lose your main sentry. The whole point is that you can just drop an extra gun somewhere as fire support and not worry about maintaining it, just drop a new one as needed.

[@kakaazul1]

You reduced the sound of the clips im order not to hear the Yay sound from MLP in order to reduce the dislikes? or im being dull

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

You're the first person to actually acknowledge realizing what the hitsound is. But to answer your question, not really. I keep the volume low so it doesn't clash too much with the voiceover but is still loud enough that you can hear what's going on (though the ideal mix varies with speakers vs. headphones). I've uploaded plenty of raw gameplay videos where the volume is normal. It's a good hitsound! Distinct, but soft enough that it doesn't get too ear-rapey when you're doing a lot of damage. I honestly don't know when the last time I changed it was. 2014?

[@kakaazul1]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel ahhh ok, i understand, because I used to have that sound as a hitsound because I played TF2 back in 2011, when the game was fun, and there were bonus loadouts like the Saharan spy and the tank buster soldier, I stopped playing when jungle inferno came out, i lost interest, your video got me some good memories about the game, nice channel you got there dude, entertaining and well explained, used to play a lot Mann Vs Machine back then

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

Thanks!

[@rockowlgamer631]

the fact that people are complaing that the gas passer is a bit broken means they want to work for their aussies .......meh works for me

[@noahramsey]

what maps are those i don’t see them on the menu

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

A lot of these are custom maps, and they are only available to play on Community servers. The assets are floating around the Internet for anyone to run on their own server, but the most common place to find them would be on Potato.tf archive servers. I'm not sure if they have any archive servers running right now, though, because it's currently their Hexadecimal Horrors event, which is running 48 new Halloween-themed missions through the end of November.

[@SrJpanela]

350 views? how

[@redneck2127]

Do you plan on getting several PhDs in engineering?

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

No. There isn't much point to grad school for engineering. Wasting extra time in school just delays getting real-world experience. Grad school is really just about having cheap labor for professors' research.

[@redneck2127]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel alright. Thanks for the answer, and advice for the future

[@Yummerlicious]

MvM doesnt let you be turtle engie? Literally unplayable.

[@your_fathers]

hey, where is the metal riff thing that you use in intros like the one at 1:31 from? thanks

[@UnderscoreGamingChannel]

"Takeoff Sting" by Ethan Meixsell, from the KZbin Studio Library.

[@your_fathers]

@@UnderscoreGamingChannel thanks