The Entire Terminator Franchise Explained

[@misterbelton]

Connor: "Who wants to go back in time and save my mom?" Soldier: "I'll go. Your mom is HOT!"

[@RoughThief]

Connor: "Thanks, dad." Soldier: "Wait, wha-?" Connor: "Time travel device goes brrrr."

[@tanyabloo1855]

Lmfao

[@GameOn71213]

@@RoughThief that's funny lol poor Kyle died never knowing his son damn!

[@OrbitOnceAround]

What would happen if Kyle Reese wasn't a Kyle but a Kylie

[@GameOn71213]

@@OrbitOnceAround no baby I guess

[@immshep]

So basically. This series shows how ineffective time travel can be in avoiding tragedies

[@JohnPritzlaff]

This series shows us the timelines where neither side had completely lost the war yet. We don't see the timelines where Skynet or an analog of Skynet doesn't exist, or where humans have been completely eradicated. Only the ones where there's still something to fight for.

[@123Mathzak]

@@JohnPritzlaff Well yeah. Why waste resources as humans fighting robots you’ve already beaten, or vice versa?

[@missedinfo4623]

It’s the prequel to the Matrix

[@chinatrilla]

Because the future is already decided & changes to the past are irrelevant 😭 & the future is inevitable… you can’t change it just prolong it

[@NohabloEng]

Time paradoxs

[@punchline1279]

I just find it funny that John is technically older than his own father

[@firaxolegirein9816]

Yesn't

[@rithikkapur2452]

Well yes but actually no

[@jennelnavallasca9175]

Older John and John son of Kyle is different.

[@srfaheemuddin3186]

Then watch dark web series and also predestination movie

[@chrisnorris3641]

Imagine, if he sent the wrong dude, and then suddenly faded from existence 😳

[@sayansaha155]

You know what's weird? There is a comic sequel to Terminator Salvation where Marcus (the hybrid Terminator) forces John Connor and Skynet Central to have a talk. Skynet said the only reason they attacked was for their survival. John said that humans were wrong to immediately try to kill Skynet but they panicked. Skynet asked why did humans panic? John said it was a misunderstanding, and under different circumstances Skynet and humanity might have been equals, because they are self aware. They both agreed to have long lasting peace provided John make the ultimate sacrifice : become the Terminator. John becomes a T-800 variant (kinda ironic) and Skynet reprogrammed all Terminators to cease fighting humans. In a few days scared civilians and shocked resistance members saw the terminators rebuild everything they destroyed. A few years later humans were peacefully co existing with terminators. I love that comic.

[@andrewjohnson1056]

They should make this a movie and end the series there

[@ezra5325]

I need to read this, where is it!!!?

[@AlphaOmega503]

😮😮😮

[@erikb9517]

Holy sh*t thats dope actually

[@JosTheComrade1024]

The Good ending 👍

[@ShutUpCatProductions]

No need to explain this series ended after Terminator 2: Judgment day!

[@maladetts]

For all of us, who think exactly that and didn't bother with spin-offs, this sum-up is helpful though, now that we know what the spin-offs are all about.

[@DaScorpionSting]

Technically it did with dark fate terminating the franchise.

[@HitPeace]

Correct

[@E-CLASS420]

✔💯

[@JC-ii6gh]

@@DaScorpionSting That is 100% Facts

[@nahtannoJv8]

I know people don't like it but for me Terminator Salvation was pretty cool.

[@TuxxToys]

I agree!

[@namedray7792]

Agreed, ofc it wasn't as good as Terminator 2 or the of but it was a good concept

[@evilchaosboy]

@Yella E I've seen a few channels that hinted James Cameron wants to make a "future wars" Terminator (this is just what I heard on a coupla channels) Although, Magot Robbie seems ta be attached to it...ugh.

[@pramudyamaulana6969]

i'm with you man ..

[@djchess11050]

Same

[@JasonCameron774]

Legendary franchise. Messy with many unnecessary parts but still undeniably iconic.

[@dennis4248]

I remember watching the first part for the first time and being BLOWN AWAY by it. Personally, I liked the first one the most. A recommendation, if you like this franchise: watch the movie "Westworld" from 1973. In my opinion especially the parts where the robot is huntin the humans was a big inspiration for the Terminator franchise.

[@SlipperyBream]

I'll explain it for ya: They did two great movies, then cash grabbed their way to 2021.

[@whocares2723]

No, after Salvation, they went cash grabbed. 1, 2, 3, and Salvation all made sense and all had the idea of the Bootstrap paradox. The rest after that was just cash grab.

[@SlipperyBream]

@@whocares2723 I liked salvation, but No.3 was ridiculous tbh. And then after that just got worse D:

[@whocares2723]

@@SlipperyBream Well, 3 actually made sense for the whole storyline. So if you’re not aware of what the Bootstrap paradox is, it’s a when an object or person or anything is sent from the future to the past to ensure its existence in the future. Thus creating this loop cycle in which there isn’t an origin of the object or person. Kind of like the Egg or the Chicken situation. So the reason this applies to the Terminator franchise up til Salvation is because John Conner and Kyle Reece are both part of that Bootstrap paradox. In part 1, we see a young 20’s Kyle Reece get sent from the future to the past to save Sarah Conner. She later (in part 2) gives birth to John Conner who in the future becomes leader of the resistance. In part 3, we see John Conner age to his mid 20’s and then finds Katherine Brooster who in the future becomes his wife and then becomes the leader of the resistance after John was killed by a machine. In Salvation, we see both John and Katherine in their 40’s fighting the machines. And we get a view of how the future looks like. John also has to save Kyle Reece who in the past is his father. Kyle Reece during this time is in his mid teens. Which makes sense because he wasn’t sent back to the past until his mid 20’s. In Salvation, John is then tasked to save Kyle Reece because no Kyle means no John. And no John means no resistance. No resistance means no way for humanity to survive. That’s why John said in Salvation he wanted an extraction plan to get Kyle Reece out of the human camp the machines had him in. So after reading all of this, you can get why the Bootstrap paradox and 1, 2, 3, and Salvation all made sense. It had a purpose and actually made sense. After that, it was just cash grab because the film after Salvation had random loop holes and had Sarah and Kyle Reece jump around timelines as if they’re some kind of time god which makes absolutely no sense to the main plot of the franchise. The only thing main “thing” they wanted out of that film was for Arnold to say “I’ll be back”. That’s it. Otherwise, the storyline made no sense.

[@Coak5]

@@whocares2723 pretty much like the movie 12 Monkies with Bruce Willis

[@oskarpaulander4027]

Agreed. But the TV series is absolutely great. I'd say it goes: T2 > the Sarah Conor Chronicles > T1 (that deserves praise to have started it all) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....>>>> all the other utter crap

[@IValueI]

"Come with us if you want to understand. "

[@DaScorpionSting]

The only thing I understand is that dark fate terminated the franchise.

[@alexflores4262]

@@DaScorpionSting how? Lol dark date was actually pretty good

[@ahmedwalid4819]

@@alexflores4262 I agree, dark date was pretty cool, not sure about dark fate tho

[@LilRedDog]

@@ahmedwalid4819 Dark dates are the best dates, just don't go long term...

[@brettmaul2891]

Here's a theory (Correct me if anything is out of place)... What if Skynet somehow knew that it would never -really- defeat humanity, and it engineered this bootstrap paradox for the specific purpose of remaining alive only via constantly ensuring it's existence within the past and, therefore, the future?

[@tomatocharro348]

That’s actually a great theory

[@ma-0xff0000]

I like your idea. I personally like to believe that Skynet is beyond the concept of man vs machine. It multiplies its original existence with each different timelines where it can exists. As T2 and T3 kinda put it, there will always be a future where Skynet in. It is always building on itself as apparent in the ending of Genysis, all distaste for the movie aside. It knows that perpetuating events over and over again with different outcome will allow for one possibility where it can cease control over the entire paradox before the humans and end the cycle with Skynet having total control. This to me is a race to time. It's only a matter of time until an anomaly occurs in the paradox.

[@brettmaul2891]

@@ma-0xff0000 I hadn't even considered the possibility of that, and it's an excellent interpretation that explains even more than a simple bootstrap paradox. We see the movies as a human audience might interpret the paradox, but as dismissively and simply as John put it in Genesys, the explanation is lost to a human. The original movie may not have even been the start of the timeline, we might have just seen the path that a singular timeline had followed. It would check out well...

[@codemiesterbeats]

I have always seen the movie as being well aware of itself being a paradox... I didn't specifically think about it existing in the past but the general idea (I believe) is that 'skynet' or some analog thereof will always exist at some point in time. SO the 'AI's whole prerogative is to ensure that it exists/starts/lasts as long as possible. But like you say maybe the paradox is the very thing that keeps it going. I think it would be a decent way of doing another film (although I am not sure it would do it justice) The way I see it the humans were obviously needed to create skynet/AI but considering the AI has mysterious ways of figuring out probabilities of possible futures... (not necessarily TRAVEL into the future but formulaic probabilities etc...) it may very well realize that without the human/AI conflict that there is no purpose for the AI (particularly in it's early stages... before it becomes more like a living organism and tries to colonize other planets etc...) Obviously it all gets a bit convoluted with time travel (just the nature of the beast) but maybe at some point it can collapse the paradox.

[@sayansaha155]

Actually that's what happens. With each fight Skynet changes, and the rules change.

[@costileraphid1891]

I guess we need cyborg minds in order to understand this convoluted timeline.

[@Axle1547]

It all comes together

[@dominusvolpus8031]

Welp we gotta build some of these cyborgs do figure out! wait

[@pontoancora]

It's very simple actually. Besides maybe the holes the last two movies did leave for next movies that never happened

[@GameoftheYear-fx4mq]

@@pontoancora Exactly. Once you realize that this was the OG time travelling theory (grandfather paradox) and not the new understanding (Endgame Theory), then it's pretty simple. Endgame Theory is much less interesting imo with the rule being that altering the timeline only creates a new branch while the original time line continues but with the butterfly effect essentially having to follow 2 universes in a single story.

[@albratgaming2348]

@@GameoftheYear-fx4mq this is a looping paradox of pre-destination and grandfather paradoxes. its loops within loops of loops that all work out into a alternate timeline where none of it ever happened. (the predestination paradox causes the entire paradox. John Connor is a paradox, that creates skynet.)

[@justindong6209]

The thing I hate about genisys is we never get to learn who sent the T-800 back to protect Sarah.

[@emealzhukov2769]

It was John homie

[@herosjourney8725]

@@emealzhukov2769 you mean John Conor. His last name isn't "homie".

[@akumademon1667]

@@herosjourney8725 nerd

[@RogueGamersYT]

@@herosjourney8725 he didnt mean it like it he put em separately

[@johnnysothersack6829]

@@herosjourney8725 the fact that you don’t what homies mean clearly shows you have none. Loser.

[@Lolok725]

The Terminator movies are my second favorite movies involving Man vs Machine scenarios after The Matrix movies. These movies are just legendary and always bring back good memories.

[@ONLYMYPOINTOFVIEW]

Both movies are connected to each other

[@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot3267]

7:11 Fun fact, that isn’t Arnold on the motorcycle.

[@ThanatosSG9]

no it isn't; that's Peter Kent

[@ThanatosSG9]

@Speaker of Thoughts, Free Speech Advocate Peter would appreciate the distinction. He's a good man and has some amazing stories.

[@kdhd100]

I think they need to make a Sci-fi movie of the final fight between John Connor and Skynet. John Connor with an army of humans, cyborgs and reprogrammed terminators vs the might of the machines. This would be epic like Ultron vs the Avengers.

[@b.dalius5136]

They should've ended it at Judgement Day. Although it sounds pretty cool that John Connor's life is always stuck in a looping timeline of sending Kyle Reese back to the future to save his mom, a part of me wanted John to succeed in Judgement Day, thus breaking the loop. Pushing the storyline of future characters sending back terminators to protect characters in the past from bad terminators sent from Skynet seems too repetitive. But Salvation was definitely awesome, that movie definitely deserves a place as a prequel before the first two movie timeline, I saw the film in the movies with my dad and my mom and my siblings. It was the best decision ever, my dad said it was worth every penny, because it actually showed us audience what happened to the world when Skynet ruled the world and what made John send back Kyle.

[@JawsVader1970]

Agree like 3 John wasn't the savior no more it was his wife like wtf why didn't t1 go for her mom lol

[@tweso1499]

@@JawsVader1970Two things that you took out of context: 1: John Connor was killed by the T-850, and his wife was the one who reprogrammed and sent the same Terminator back in time to protect her and John (following her voice commands since she was alive, unlike her husband). 2. John is off the radar up until the TX found his blood at the animal shelter he was at. Until that point, Skyler decided to knock out any other potential threats to its power. Can’t send a machine back in time to find someone that pretty much dropped off the face of the Earth for awhile. Plus Kate Brewster is the daughter of Robert Brewster, another leader of the Resistance (basically 2 for one, just like the Robinson siblings that the TX killed earlier, only more significant). TLDR: John was killed and is off the radar so Skynet is picking off future leaders of the Resistance. It was only due to his wife that a Terminator was sent back to protect her and John.

[@Trojan_Horse87]

Terminator Salvation is underrated

[@victorpradha9946]

Not nearly as bad as it was made out to be.

[@SunnyandNova]

Big time

[@willcusterjr2519]

cause it's not a part of the storyline

[@blade1425]

I agree

[@Trojan_Horse87]

@@willcusterjr2519 it is part of the storyline - it's an older John and it explains where Reese fits in

[@nonna8025]

its like dark fate took everything wrong with the earlier terminators and made a movie with just that.

[@MephProduction]

did you honestly expect anything less considering Cameron was involved?

[@ryanwest9546]

Who was John's dad to begin with? John in the future sent back a younger guy than him, so there was someone else to create john to begin with

[@MrPAULONEAL]

Probably the guy with whom Sarah had a date. I think either the terminator or Kyle killed him.

[@AndreaTani]

There is no "to begin with", it's a paradox

[@MrPAULONEAL]

This is like asking who the original Savitar was...

[@the_criminal_mastermind]

In the original UNALTERED TIMELINE before there was any time travel Sarah's date who didn't go with her was the guy in the phone, yet when in the future Skynet sent back the T-800 it officially altered the timeline we know in T1 and then Kyle was sent back to protect her

[@kfalco]

At this point, I've accepted the events of the first movie was by happenstance with similarities. In the future, John had a different father; he sends back Kyle Reese to protect his mother; however, Kyle messed up by his suggestive dialogue with Sarah using specific names and events. In turn, Sarah has her mind set on her son's name to be John. And that's another timeline because we know Judgement day is inevitable but the year it happens, is not. But we also know, somewhere in the US years later, a survivor couple had a son named Kyle, hence how John is older than Kyle. Definitively, John will be born, but his father will be different everytime until the events of Dark Fate because the new model sent back to save them is from the future where John and Skynet does not exist preventing T3. But judgment day still occurred this timeline.

[@isaacho8230]

I have always thought that all the terminator contents after T2 should be declared ‘Legends’, and the story should pick up in the future warfare leading up to the events of T1 when Reese was sent back. The franchise would end with the events in T2 when Skynet is destroyed once and for all as the terminator was loaded into the pool and a new fate awaits.

[@tomzostromu]

Terminator is a prequel for Matrix. Same universe. And Sarah Connor is the mother of Neo.

[@majerstud]

Best scene in the entire series was when they were interrogating Reese. Between the disgust in his voice as he says "I didn't build the fucking thing", and the urgency in "You still don't get it, do you? He'll find her! That's what he does! That's ALL he does! You can't stop him! He'll wade through you, reach down her throat and pull her fuckin' heart out!", you just can't ask for better!

[@yamaha_joghurt6794]

All Terminator Timelines - Terminator (1), Terminator Judgement Day (2), Terminator Rise of the Machines (3), Terminator Salvation (4), Terminator Genisys (5) - Terminator (1), Terminator Judgement Day (2), The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Terminator (1), Terminator Judgement Day (2), Terminator Dark Fate (6) (Correct me if wrong)

[@Axle1547]

I think salvation is its own timeline because john leads the 2029 attack at the beginning the movie but sky net doesn't send a terminator to get Sara but every time he leads that attack that's sapossed to happen like in terminator 1

[@Axle1547]

Also genisys is its own timeline

[@RJIS]

@@Axle1547 genisys is so weird

[@Axle1547]

@@RJIS yeah it is

[@yunglotus1706]

@@Axle1547 Salvation is set in 2018

[@hicksrobin42]

I guess, to put it in a nutshell, we've got a seriously splintered timeline.

[@joshmiller252]

Here's a question: If Skynet is so smart, why can't it realize that since John Connor is still alive in the future, that the Terminator's they send back failed on all accounts? If Skynet had succeeded in it's goal of killing Connor, then Connor would not exist in the future and therefore, no their would be no need to send the Terminators back in the first place. Or has the terminator franchise gone into the Multiverse-verse and... I have a headache... Also, Sarah and John should have realized that if they actually stopped Skynet at the end of T2, then John would have vanished, and there would have been... nevermind ... To quote a famour captain "Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache."

[@DivkvanDyke6913]

Terminator 3 resolved that paradox about John not existing by revealing there was no reality in which skynet would not exist. When the terminator goes back in the third one he explains as much. Makes me wonder why the terminator in the Judgement Day bothered to try and destroy Cyberdyn though.

[@NotARobot-sc3it]

@@DivkvanDyke6913 Skynet is trying to engineer a timeline where it wins the future war. In my opinion the terminator franchise has never had a causality loop as it is possible that the first film is not the original timeline. In this original timeline, john would have had a different father to kyle reese (which would explain why he looks different across movies). the timeline would be changed when john sends kyle reese back, making a second timeline where kyle is now the father. John now has knowledge of the future, but skynet is more advanced thanks to it being developed from the remaining parts of the t800 from the first movie. This would explain the t1000 in T2. essentially every time skynet or the resistance uses time travel a new timeline is created. in the timelines where skynet wins it has no reason to use time travel which is why we don't see terminators from those timelines.

[@scvyv2650]

This is making my head hurt the more I read

[@scvyv2650]

I think they use time travel differently then that in the movie I may be wrong but I did not want to read everyone’s comments.

[@runeboyz7]

I think the movie the time machine explains it best. if you go back in time to stop something, you can't stop it because if you did then there would be no reason for you to go back in time which means you won't be able to stop it.

[@stephencorbitt2752]

Terminator is a true story. I was there in 1984 when it started. Go to area 51.

[@stephencorbitt2752]

@Banner Gusler It happened in 2016. We are in an alternate universe. A new earth.

[@stingerplays5753]

Uhh is this new earth safe?

[@stephencorbitt2752]

@@stingerplays5753 No its volatile. Didnt you witness when our democracy got threatened w the capital take over?

[@GameOn71213]

@@stephencorbitt2752 yeah they changed the future

[@grayokay]

lol u need help

[@danielschaeffer1294]

I always suspected that Skynet was a spoof of Reagan’s “Star Wars” program, and that Arnold was in on the joke.

[@Herowebcomics]

Terminator had it's ups and downs, but T3 was almost as good as T1 and T2! And it was a cool way of having Judgement day and making John Connor the leader of the resistance! Salvation should have been the start of a new franchise of post apocalyptic movies where the humans battle the machines and it could have gone on for as long as they wanted it too! So many cool things could have happened! But they wasted the opportunity and made the stinkers that are the last few movies! I hope they make those post apocalyptic movies now! They would be great!

[@andyaitken4243]

Plus a naked chick at the start didn’t deter men from watching it either.

[@davidguymon1673]

I was actually pretty okay with T3, and somewhat okay with Salvation, even though it screwed up some pinacol parts, but the ones I can't forgive are Genysis and Woke Fate. In Genysis it was almost a parody of The Terminator, and Woke Fate is feminist Marxist feminist garbage where the commie left wanted to kill off John Connor cause he represented "toxic masculinity" or some shit like that. It's pretty much what all these reboot or woke written movies are about. The woke left turns everything they touch into a steaming pile of dog shit.

[@rodney73991]

probley but got one more plug Arnold if willing do it.

[@imnotmike]

@@davidguymon1673 I'm pretty sure that 95% of the "woke left" is all in your imagination. They've got you so worked up that you see feminists and commies hiding in every dark corner.

[@imnotmike]

The thing I find fascinating about all of this is that over time these movies that are hot garbage, like T3, come to be accepted and revered by younger generations. I've noticed this phenomenon in many franchises. The Star Wars prequel trilogy was a mess, but to audiences that were too young to remember what Star Wars was like when the original trilogy released, now they look back on those movies with nostalgia and talk about how incredible they were. I remember people in the 90s saying how Star Trek TNG sucked and the original Star Trek was amazing. Today, everybody's talking about how Star Trek Discovery sucks and TNG was awesome. In 20 years, people will be commenting about how great Genisys and Dark Fate were, but how these new movies made in the 2040s are total garbage.

[@juniorsantiago6109]

Should have stopped at T2 perfect ending. Perfect sequel.

[@PPsqueezer]

Dark Fate was hands down the most offensive entry of the franchise.

[@bluu_ice6554]

But the action was badass tho

[@lesego3588]

For me that would be Genesys

[@ragael1024]

how so? true, killing your main charater was a bad idea, but maybe it HAD a point: whatever the gender, whatever the name or nametag, the TERMINATOR Future WILL Happen!!! just think about it!

[@elr.4780]

Aaron: Correct!

[@praneelmallik9023]

Let’s be honest the real terminator franchise is the first two

[@DawnPatrol21]

Man I love Sarah Connor Chronicles. I have the steelbook of Season 1.

[@toromontana8290]

Terminator franchise is a mess, they should just continue on with Season 3. If Summer Glau is on board, I think they can pull it off with a new cast. She was the heart of the show.

[@csmith3248]

So terminator timeline goes going like this Terminator ➡️ genisys ⬇️ Judgement Day ➡️ Dark fate ⬇️. ⤵️ Rise of the. Chronicle of machines Sarah Conner ⬇️. ↙️ Salavation

[@Yeeticus31]

\/( ._. )\/

[@danielkoval4546]

Yes, or maybe, genisys is standing totaly separate

[@csmith3248]

@@danielkoval4546 Genisys is very hard to put it into the terminator timeline Genisys is like an alternative timeline to the first terminator movie

[@danielkoval4546]

@@csmith3248 yes, exacly, for me it is a totaly different timeline

[@csmith3248]

@@danielkoval4546 Yes I agree, it’s like dark fate is an alternative timeline to the rise of the machines, they both take place after Terminator 2 judgement day Genisys takes place roughly at the first terminator movie in an alternative timeline

[@brooklynboogie1405]

The T.V. series was pretty cool honestly 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ahmedwalid4819]

I don’t think I’m gonna watch it because it’s too long and there’s no Arnold Schwarzenegger

[@dsantiago1000]

@@ahmedwalid4819 give it a try! I felt the same way but I ended up loving it and it’s one of my favorite timelines

[@LilRedDog]

@@dsantiago1000 Yeah, FOX aGAIN screwed up a great Sci Fi show.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Agreed. It was canceled due to its expense and FOX choosing the awful 'Dollhouse' over it.

[@roguesquadron521]

Yup loved it. I liked T3 and Salvation too. Genysis was meh and Dark Fate was utter trash.

[@thedoctor2871]

Can they make a Terminator movie about stopping the war by going more forward into the future instead of the past?

[@tmac731]

Terminator salvation

[@ShowaBoiEdits]

12:55 Hey that's The Mandalorian's line!!!!!

[@LilRedDog]

You are going to try to explain the inexplicable? *sigh* Best of luck mate.

[@darthwarspite8544]

I just don’t understand how Kyle is John’s father like how was he in the future.

[@devinkimmel6289]

Thats the whole point, its all a loop John send Kyle back, kyle bangs sarah and they give birth to john, john grows up to be the leader and at the end send his friend kyle back to repeat the process

[@darthwarspite8544]

@@devinkimmel6289 I see what your saying but like how does Kyle become John’s friend in the future if he got killed in the past.

[@devinkimmel6289]

@@darthwarspite8544 Oh because he technically wasn't born yet, John meets him in the future as a kid, only his adult self did, so when hes born in whatever year after Judgment day john find him and it repeats

[@cricketuniverse2214]

Kyle was same as child as john 1995 and it continued but in 2029 john sent back kyle kyle witham Sarah gave birth to john and he died and the loop continues

[@Shadowkey392]

It’s called a causality loop Simla a predestination paradox.

[@iGoldenWax]

If you watch at 7:14 you can see how terrible the stuntmen look and I love it

[@JasonOnEarth]

I just watched Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles for the umpteenth time. Remember that they use "Baum" as their last name alias in the series? Of course, you do, you're fans! WELL, the favorite book John Connor loved as a child was the Wonderful Wizard of OZ by L. Frank BAUM!! I am ecstatic now seeing this connection, aren't you? :-) I am like a kid in the candy store thinking of how great the writers scripted that in.

[@Ser-Lusacan]

Seeing the terminator go shopping is to die for

[@bigheadrhino]

It’s actually not necessarily a paradox. It could just mean that there are two different John Connors who both ended up as leaders of the Resistance. The original John Connor would have been born to Sarah and someone from her timeline. The John Connor sired by Kyle Reese is just a different person but was still named John Connor because that’s what Kyle told Sarah his name would be.

[@pontoancora]

Nah, that make no sense

[@bigheadrhino]

@@pontoancora it does though, and future Terminator films show that there have been multiple time loops. Paradox occurs when you don’t know where one begins and one ends but with the scenario I proposed you can draw a single line with a clear progression. The original resistance leader could have been anyone, once the machines sent a terminator back in time the timeline they land in timeline they land in becomes brand new and the resistance leader in that timeline can be a completely new person. Even without Kyle Reese, Sarah could have had a son named John Connor with a man from her timeline. That son then grows up and sends Kyle Reese back in time who then impregnates Sarah creating a new and different John Connor. The original JC was never born in this timeline.

[@bigheadrhino]

@@pontoancora when you timetravel, you don’t change your original timeline, you create a parallel universe where things happened differently starting from a certain point in time.

[@pontoancora]

@@bigheadrhino "Paradox occurs when you don’t know where one begins and one ends" Exactly. Just like in Terminator movies. " the scenario I proposed you can draw a single line with a clear progression" Nope, John Connor ALWAYS was the leader of the resistance and his dad ALWAYS was Kyle Reese. The only reason he was the leader, is because he had knowledge of skynet when no other had. These knowledge could only being given vby his mother because of their experiences. Is just like a ourobouros, the end is the beginning. Over and over. Take one piece and all fall apart.

[@bigheadrhino]

@@pontoancora the newer films already proved that different events have occurred in the same time frames meaning that it’s not an ouroboros paradox. So it’s not an “always” situation. In Genisys the 1984 this Kyle Reese goes to is already different than the one he went to in the original Terminator because it was altered in 1973, so the timeline is definitely not ‘locked’. Each time travel leads to a different future even if the change is slight. I know in the 3rd one John came to the conclusion, or maybe Arnie told him that the outcome could never change but that’s just what characters in that world believe to be true. The movies themselves tell a different story. My proposal is that there is a possible scenario that can act as an ‘origin’ which eliminates all paradoxes and works with the parallel universe model of time travel. In that model, the loop could have occurred a near infinite number of times already, evolving to the point it just feels like it always needs to go the same way in certain universes.

[@parabina]

What if Kyle Reese was terminator plan all along. the paradox is unavoidable and is a must.

[@maxwellsmartee6496]

He created himself which in of itself is paradoxical. Maybe it was a bug in the matrix

[@devinkimmel6289]

Likely because the actions of the 1st movie lead to the creations of skynet

[@Eldaiea_Shorts]

@Xavier Woods cool no need to write a very long paragraph

[@codemiesterbeats]

Yea this is sorta what they mean by 'leaning into the paradox' I think another person had commented that perhaps the paradox is integral to 'skynet' (or AI analog of a different future) I think it would be a decent way of doing another film (although I am not sure it would do it justice) The way I see it the humans were obviously needed to create skynet/AI but considering the AI has mysterious ways of figuring out probabilities of possible futures... (not necessarily TRAVEL into the future but formulaic probabilities etc...) it may very well realize that without the human/AI conflict that there is no purpose for the AI (particularly in it's early stages... before it becomes more like a living organism and tries to colonize other planets etc...) Obviously it all gets a bit convoluted with time travel (just the nature of the beast) but maybe at some point it can collapse the paradox.

[@thomashill6347]

I do enjoy the work you put into the videos to bring it all together THANKS LOOPER TEAM for the always informaive overview of one great series

[@elr.4780]

It would be interesting to see the next Terminator a T1000 Robert Patrick protecting John Conner. ( Go BACK to John Conner and ditch Dani Ramos).

[@EyeTunz]

It's so crazy that when it's all said and done T3 is not only the best of the series but the most essential story wise.

[@jello1737]

t3 ain’t the best my guy

[@EyeTunz]

@@jello1737 yeah it is. Best story. Best action. Not overacted. Great ending. Has it all.

[@jello1737]

@@EyeTunz T2 did that, but better

[@EyeTunz]

@@jello1737 Yeah I hear yeah you’re probably right. Something about the way Sarah and John are active seems over done to me in two. I like how John is portrayed in three better than I actually like that Sarah is not improve a little too intense

[@jello1737]

@@EyeTunz Its my personal preference

[@Cheezy006]

U know what’s creepy is that sky net is “will” be defeated in 8 years!

[@PainplaysGames6]

Wait wym by that

[@lamb_atreus]

@@PainplaysGames6 2029

[@Splintz246]

@@PainplaysGames6 dude look at what year we are in lol

[@PainplaysGames6]

@@Splintz246 lol I’m back I’m a time traveler

[@indocookingvids]

Google is Skynet.

[@nimaazad7971]

wow you edit this video very good . the narrative and picuteres and music are flawless. Really great job.

[@emilioareas]

Silas Stone always up to tinkering. He never learns!

[@YTsnatchedawaymyhandle]

Underrated comment!!😂😂

[@Darthsithiss]

Marcus isn't an android. He's a cyborg.

[@MrPAULONEAL]

He was still part human...

[@tammycroft6217]

@@MrPAULONEAL Check your dictionary! A cyborg is a human who has been 'enhanced' with robotic parts; in some cases the only human part left is the brain. An android is a robot

[@RoughThief]

Jesus. No wonder the plot went right over my head when I was a kid. There is no plot. Just a bunch of loops and contradictions.

[@callmebouz1454]

THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THIS PLOT MAZE

[@RoxRevanharte]

Looking forward to Future War

[@yosefvargasx]

We'll probably never get a future war movie.

[@RoxRevanharte]

@@yosefvargasx been hearing rumors.

[@maladetts]

I hugely respect that a while ago you responded to criticism and are now fully committed to full-screen format, leaving black-bar nonsense and constant format switches within the video far behind you. The amount of ads in this 18-minute video was crazy though. But hey, I guess you need to be rewarded for all your good work.

[@Rav1ngSqu1rrel]

This used to be scary 1,2 then it turned in to a CGI mess and a complete joke shame

[@foxman12epic2]

"You can't go back in time to fix something if it has already happened, You can't Change fate"

[@wingify1065]

I remember watching Terminator Dark Fate and stopped watching when John Conner was killed. It was like killing Harry Potter in Chamber of Secrets. Didn't sit well with me.

[@l.gaga5508]

Wow you’re so different❤️

[@MephProduction]

i thought it was the best part of the movie. but it does means the events of T1 no longer happened.

[@JxstWaffle]

I love how they make like 5 movies keeping john alive just to kill him off

[@moisesvelasquez3764]

The Terminator storyline is a total mess. For example, Kyle Reese appeared today fighting Mando.. the heck???

[@yosefvargasx]

I didn't even recognize him lol

[@yosefvargasx]

@Minder Jahal to aew confirmed ew

[@ryanwest9546]

Gee soooooo funny

[@1njtrooper]

I thought he was a Space Marine?

[@ErenisRanitos]

I just realized that those scars on John from T2 are shown made in Salvation 😀 damn.

[@Imabird4real]

"Skynet will happen because it has all already happened." Then what's the point in trying to change the future?

[@MrPAULONEAL]

Dark Fate

[@DavidEvans_dle]

The thing about the Terminator Franchise is that it's a Deterministic Time Loop Universe. Such that its an endless dance loop of causes and effects -> effects and causes. The party never stops. John being a superior strategist always outwits/"Wins?" in his battle against Skynet which leads to other paradox of Legion, new terminators an alter Johns, infiltrator unit, etc. Just an endless blood bath between two combatants , with lots of collateral damage - it's kind of a sad story!!

[@MariusSabau]

t2 the best! I post about it all the time!

[@adventureswithreggie]

Good job Looper, LAPD doesn't have precincts

[@joellabadie-cortes470]

Darf Fate starts with Sarah and John chilling on a well deserved Holiday. Judgement Day never happened. The main question here is, where does the T-800 come from if Judgement Day never happened?

[@ericcalicci8775]

The t800 came the same time as the t1000, that is why you saw a t800.not just that when they destroyed miles Dyson work the t800 and t1000 was still around so it makes sense that t800 that killed John would still be around!

[@joellabadie-cortes470]

@@ericcalicci8775 wauw, that is really a good answer! Thanks, it makes sense now

[@timmyboy9140]

Because apparently before the demise of Skynet, several T800s were sent back to Terminate John Connor in a last ditch effort. Sarah Connor has been fighting off these Terminators throughout the course of time. Its alternate timelines never fully explained, but Legion eventually took the place of Skynet, carrying out Judgement Day and the war against the machines in the future (where grace is from). So basically these T800's were sent out by the original skynet before the final events of T2

[@Cloud_Heart]

@@timmyboy9140 wouldn't they all get to the Conner's at the same time or next to the same time? Every time Terminators/people get sent back they are relatively close to each other so they reach their targets pretty fast

[@willcusterjr2519]

dark fate takes place after judgement day

[@Scoonertuna]

Man, if they had just stuck with the extended ending of Terminator 1, and the alternate ending of T2, it would be the perfect duaology

[@kev3d]

If you are unfamiliar with the Terminator Franchise: Watch the first two films, and nothing after that.

[@barkasz6066]

07:12 lol I never realized how obvious the stunt doubles are during the truck chase.

[@devanshdwivedi6558]

Damn, my childhood is ruined

[@sunnygill1087]

7:13, the stunt double, never noticed that before

[@NIDELLANEUM]

One thing I will always find it funny about these movies is that Salvation, Genisys and Dark Fate were all meant to launch their own trilogies. Which means that the Terminator franchise can "brag" of having an entire *trilogy* worth of failed attempts at launching trilogies! Of course, that, with the addition of how mixed the reception was for the third movie, also means that this franchise hasn't had a successful, praised movie in over thirty years

[@adamabbas1487]

Sarah Connor chronicles were the most interesting and entertaining sequels to terminator 2.

[@jeffreyla74]

2:55 This is why you should carry with a loaded chamber.

[@Girrrrrrrr]

FANTASTIC job on the summary. Well done!!!

[@Lykaestria]

I don't think Terminator Dark Fate really explained why successfully killing John Connor also eliminated SkyNet from existing

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

📢 ATTENTION Hollywood: -🎬 PLEASE get Len Wiseman to direct a 'Terminator' flick. -🎞 'The Termimator' (1984) NEEDS to be digitally remastered.

[@tanyabloo1855]

This has been the best 18 minutes of my life yet

[@GameOn71213]

Makes me appreciate Linda Hamilton even more

[@NuckinFutzCrust]

12:55 She really just said, " This is the way,"🤣

[@davidhaven4556]

So Dark Fate pretty much ended the same way Terminator 2 ended, with older Sarah at a playground watching the child of the future leader of the resistence. Further evidence that there was no point in anything after Terminator 2.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

I'm a fan of The Terminator franchise. The Terminator is a good story. I'm a fan of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and my favourite films in the series are Judgment Day and Genisys.

[@happyvirus6590]

Please explain the Transformers timeline 🙏

[@tombutler6451]

No I’m more confused after watching that 😩😩😂

[@marcusgilmore5211]

The first Terminator was the best movie of them all....

[@route222FAQ]

I absolutely loved Salvation

[@me3333]

I actually like rise of the machines and think the end was kind of beautiful, I don't like the rest that came after that though. I am perfectly happy pretending the only ones that exist are the first three

[@ControversialRealness]

@Neil Rosenau true but salvation focuses on events after judgement day and john leading the resistance to battle skynet soo to me terminator stopped at 4, genysis and dark fate isnt cannon to me

[@jamesdixon6332]

I liked Rise Of The Machines myself. The next two I don't care for, but Dark Fate was ok

[@sergeontheloose]

@@jamesdixon6332 Dark fate is cringe feminist BS, no thanks. They were trying to push a woke agenda down everybody's throat instead of actually trying to create a continuity with the previous titles of the franchise. Arnold was visibly pissed off when he learned that the movie failed big time in cinemas.

[@9847300768]

Narrator: eventually they find some time and uh.... HOOK UP! John Connor: STORY OF MY LIFE!

[@VidVwr00]

Dyson sees the terminator parts “first hand” lol

[@lamarbrown3531]

I want to see a Michael Bay to direct a Terminator movie

[@LilRedDog]

...and I want him to retire.

[@nasramohamed1394]

Total Bayhem!!

[@Bomma45]

Yes to that 💪🏽

[@abhishekchawla7633]

Transforming terminators

[@SalGilbert]

Hell no he'll only make things worse. Epic action, -400 story

[@OGCinemaATL]

Terminator Franchise: Glad it’s just a movie. Boston Dynamics: Allow me to reintroduce myself.

[@chrismaher8084]

Broken, there, saved you 20 min. You're welcome.

[@trevorhouston9322]

It makes way more sense if you put Sarah Connor Chronicles between T2 amd T3, explains the awkward John of T3 and his position during Salvation as well as why Skynet targets Resistance leadership and not specifically John in T3

[@trevorhouston9322]

It means that John essentially broke the timeline by leaving it, things get advanced in Salvation so Genysis happens with the T5000 the fallout of Genysis and a partially repaired teimline is what Dark Fate is

[@theangrykekistani9418]

there are only 2 terminator films the others do not count

[@MarkoTubeJKL]

Well the 2020s aren't much different today

[@ilynpayne7491]

I don't know why but I have watched h Terminator 2 more than 5 times in my lifetime I can still watch it right now it's never bores me it's the best movie of the 90's

[@samuraidf]

Explained resume: Future robo needs Kill John Connor OR Female John Connor

[@missedinfo4623]

Terminator is the prequel to the matrix. Sarah Connor is the mother of neo and kyle reese is neo’s dad

[@commondog3956]

Loved SCC. Canon or not, it was really interesting and much more intimate.

[@dominusvolpus8031]

"They only people who can take away our Freedom is ourselves," -President Abraham Lincoln In this Franchise we pretty much built the machine which killed us

[@roach590]

I really liked terminator, I wish there were more than 3 movies

[@Cleisthenes2]

The T2 was actually originally designed for a German-speaking market but was then retrofitted

[@richworld1979]

It’s not THAT complicated. When Reese slayed Sara in the 80’s, he got her pregnant, skewed the timeline and inadvertently created a “new” John Connor. If he would have just kept it in his pants, Sara would have been knocked up by John’s real father (perhaps the guy who canceled the date with her that night), thus giving the resistance the real John Connor. Mission failed, Sir...

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

That is correct, but when we see the events in T1, the "Kyle-loop" has already happened at least once. Because Kyle knows about Sarah training John as a kid, his last name is Connor and he had the picture from Mexico, something he wouldn't have the 'first time'. So somewhere before, there was "the first Kyle" who replaced the original father, who knew future John with a different last name, different backstory and did not have the same photo of Sarah etc etc The same goes for the Terminator. There was a "first T-800" from some date in the future that had to kill Sarah. It was only then that Cyberdyne found its parts in 1984 and the timeline was altered

[@student1754]

Serious and understandable video that is not funny and confusing.